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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Brad Rowland. I am one

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Speaker 1: of the hosts of the Hammer Territory podcast covering all

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Speaker 1: things Atlanta Braves in one stop fashion. But today's podcast

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Speaker 1: is kind of a bonus episode. Earlier this week, the

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Speaker 1: awesome folks at foul Territory, which we are part of

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Speaker 1: that network, they actually hosted Chris Sale, Braves starting Pitcher

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Speaker 1: and cy Young candidate on their show live from Texas

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Speaker 1: as part of the All Star festivities. We thought would

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Speaker 1: be a good idea to go ahead and show that

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Speaker 1: baseball world plus covers the All Star Game and all

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Speaker 1: that fun stuff as well. With that said, here is

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Speaker 1: the Chris Sale interview in full, and we definitely encourage

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Speaker 1: you to subscribe to this podcast if you're a new

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Speaker 1: listener to Hammer Territory. We cover the Braves each and

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Speaker 1: every day as well as we are part of the

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Speaker 1: foul Territory network. So all that said, here we go

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Speaker 1: with Chris Sale and the Foul Territory.

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Speaker 2: Crew, Chris Sale, the All Star Atlanta Braves left. You're

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Speaker 2: joining us right now on FT and we're thrilled to

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Speaker 2: have you.

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Speaker 3: So the count though, hold on, does it count?

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Speaker 4: You're an All Star because you moved your pitch day

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Speaker 4: so you were scared to.

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Speaker 3: Not pitch in the All Star Game.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've been embarrassed on National TV enough. I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna leave it to these guys. Let the big dogs

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Speaker 5: go out there and throw their one hundred. I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: sit back and enjoy it.

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Speaker 4: There was a day when there was a day now

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Speaker 4: where you were like I can throw a hundred, Why

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Speaker 4: can't I pitch?

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Speaker 3: That was a few surgeries ago, But but we brought

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Speaker 3: that up.

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Speaker 4: I brought that up just the other day, and I'm

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Speaker 4: so glad you're on because that is a searing memory

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Speaker 4: for me. You coming out and being like, oh, I

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Speaker 4: got one inning, I'm gonna let this thing eat. And

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Speaker 4: to me, that showed what you really had. And I

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Speaker 4: know guys in the clubhouse talked about it. So when

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Speaker 4: big league guys talk about it and then you go

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Speaker 4: out there and you're like, oh, I can do this,

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Speaker 4: and you just blew guys away. Did you have that

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Speaker 3: In All Star games? Is that All Star game? Oh?

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Speaker 4: This one where you came out and you were like

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Speaker 4: you were normally like a ninety nine guy, and then

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Speaker 4: you came out and you were to it's like one

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Speaker 4: oh one the whole time.

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Speaker 3: Did you have that in your head? Or was that

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Speaker 5: I think too, just like with with adrenaline and just

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Speaker 5: knowing like as a starter like you, you have more

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Speaker 5: it's just let's just let it rip. You got, I

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: But see that confuses me because when you first came up,

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Speaker 4: you were a closer and you didn't throw one hundred.

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Speaker 4: So that's like what changed? How did you go from

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden, I can throw a hundred. Well,

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Speaker 3: I just I went to the gym and I just

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Speaker 5: And then and now that I got all these big muscles,

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Speaker 4: Different catcher yeah, it was calling the right pictures right

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Speaker 4: number one. It wasn't the right one. Confidence sorry sliders confidence.

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Speaker 3: So you had a fat finger.

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Speaker 6: I needed a skin in your finger, saying, uh possible,

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Speaker 6: Johnson mold situation. Moving forward, you know, one day you're like,

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Speaker 3: The day that I'm done being a starter is the

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm a house cat now, you know. It's I like,

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Speaker 3: Do you remember the game I've told the story on here,

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Speaker 4: You pitched in against camp I think, and you dealt

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Speaker 3: And I said, how am I? How am I supposed

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Speaker 4: So I put twenty five sun follower seats in my

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Speaker 3: Click went out, so I knew when I ran out.

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Speaker 3: I also, yeah, I remember there were a couple of times.

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Speaker 5: In my career they're like, all right, you have X

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Speaker 4: Did they do that for an injury standpoint or did

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Speaker 5: I think it was more so just like the the

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Speaker 5: was more so like all right, let's let's try to

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Speaker 3: It worked. He still blew out. Yeah, so again you're later.

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Speaker 3: But everybody blows out now, right, I mean there's very

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Speaker 5: That don't blow out at this point, and there's a

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Speaker 5: which is kind of alarming, But it's just, you know,

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Speaker 5: that's that's just kind of the risk for the reward

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Speaker 3: How much has that talked about?

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Speaker 2: Do the young guys spring it up and ask the

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Speaker 3: Or they just like, eh, if it happens, it happens.

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Speaker 5: can put pitch counts on guys, you can stress, you know, recovery, massage, therapy,

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Speaker 5: You know, is it the pitch count guys were you know,

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Speaker 5: Nolan probably was throwing two hundred pitches in then in

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Speaker 3: And then you.

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Speaker 5: Got guys that are on really strict pitch counts that blowout.

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Speaker 6: Let's be very clear here, ten years with no injuries

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Speaker 6: gets hurt at some point. We're just not meant to

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Speaker 6: do this. But I you you spent almost no time

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Speaker 6: but it's becoming more and more common that guys are

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Speaker 1: A month.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's spent a month down there. He really

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Speaker 4: Got six years in Charlotte though, So that's extra.

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Speaker 3: Did you go to the old Charlotte That's what I mean. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: let's June and then he was there in August and

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Speaker 6: And now everyone and ones got to Chris Sales on

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Speaker 6: their team. Uh So, what was the hardest part about

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Speaker 3: The big leagues, Like dealing with this guy? I can

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Speaker 3: only imagine if you had somebody soft without a catcher.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it would have built Maybe you can

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Speaker 4: answer better, I don't think it would have built you

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Speaker 3: No, and I did.

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Speaker 5: I definitely did appreciate that too. I think that I

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Speaker 5: like I've I don't shake at all? Right, Like, I

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Speaker 5: don't do I don't look at reports, I don't do

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Speaker 3: I just I just go pitch. And people ask me, like,

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Speaker 5: And then like if you think about my literally my

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Speaker 5: not only my entire career, but my entire life, I've

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Speaker 5: never called a pitch like I'm in Little league, gets

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Speaker 5: is calling it. I got to college. I dare you

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Speaker 5: to shake off your college coach? Yeah, maybe you should

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Speaker 5: have shook off the one you do to de Gram

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Speaker 5: And that and check the tape. That was a bomb.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a first rounder.

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Speaker 5: I'm the new guy, like I'm not gonna be you know,

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Speaker 5: Like I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna shake him off.

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Speaker 5: And then I got Burley as like, you know, he

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Speaker 5: it's like I had never called a pitch for myself

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Speaker 5: kind of makes it easier for me to just go out.

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Speaker 3: There and compete. Yep. Well what change this year? I

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Speaker 3: mean science? Health right?

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Speaker 4: Because you I mean you were one of the most

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Speaker 4: He won the World Series, and then you know, things

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Speaker 4: started happening. He started getting hurt. You're falling off bikes,

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Speaker 3: Playing Froger.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, real life probably would have had better luck with that, honestly, But.

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Speaker 3: What change this year?

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Speaker 4: I mean besides health right, I mean, you're thirteen and

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Speaker 4: three with a two. I picked you to win the

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Speaker 4: cy young, so no pressure like, what change.

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Speaker 5: I honestly, I just think it was the health aspect

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Speaker 5: of it. I finally had a full off season. Like

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Speaker 5: every off season since twenty eighteen, I've gone into the

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Speaker 5: off season rehabbing something, whether it be my shoulder after

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Speaker 5: the World Series, my elbow the next year, you know,

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Speaker 3: The year after that.

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Speaker 5: You know, I started throwing bullpens this past offseason at

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Speaker 3: You were trying to make the team, Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 4: Gone, he would have gone to winter ball if he

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Speaker 5: Say yeah, pitching, I mean what, I have one hundred

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Speaker 5: That's not fun. You know, like going out there and

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Speaker 3: And is there something to getting that Philo off season?

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Speaker 6: I'm always here rehabbing. It's not normal, right, And having

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Speaker 3: Did that help and get I think so?

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Speaker 5: And it's no it's no knock on Boston or anybody there,

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Speaker 5: Like those guys were amazing, Like they what they did

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Speaker 3: I'll never be able to repay it.

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Speaker 5: But I I do think that I just I put

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Speaker 3: You know, I get traded.

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Speaker 5: Over there, we win the World Series, show up the

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Speaker 3: To prove this right. And that's just not clean living.

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Speaker 5: That's that's a tough way to go through your career,

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Speaker 5: And you know, once I got here, it was kind

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Speaker 4: Can you can you say yes, I was a change

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Speaker 4: of scenery guy, And would you have said that before,

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Speaker 4: because all of what you just said kind of feels

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Speaker 5: I think it would be unfair to a lot of

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Speaker 5: I'm getting after it no matter what.

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Speaker 3: But I'm I definitely do think that that had some help.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not getting out of here without asking

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Speaker 3: you a White Sox question. I love it, so.

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Speaker 4: Get it has nothing to do with you know're not

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Speaker 4: that's at the All Star Game, Garrett Crochet.

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Speaker 3: Yes he's better than me, that guy.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't That also wasn't what I was gonna ask.

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Speaker 3: But you have any advice for him? Because they brought

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Speaker 4: He got hurt, he blew out, and now he's starting

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Speaker 4: and he's done more in musition he's ever thrown, probably

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Speaker 3: Do you have any advice.

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Speaker 4: For him about how to manage that, how to control

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Speaker 5: I think if you look at his year and you

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Speaker 5: ask him. But yeah, I think I think with him,

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Speaker 5: he just keep doing what he's doing. He I mean,

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Speaker 5: so like you know, I think he's bouncing back. Well,

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Speaker 5: I mean you look at just his body, the physicality

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Speaker 5: it looks like he's prepared to make this jump from

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Speaker 5: I mean that it's unhittable every time.

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Speaker 3: By the way, we have I have a present for you.

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Speaker 3: But are you gonna start tight?

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Speaker 4: You're gonna start tight rolling your pants the way he

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Speaker 4: does like nineties? No, this is not if what's that

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Speaker 4: I got through skinny legs and show these things.

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Speaker 3: I have a present for you.

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Speaker 4: So Adidas has brought you a present for the All

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Speaker 4: Star home run derby since they have all these scars,

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Speaker 4: know bombie, they brought you a bomb Pop so you

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Speaker 4: can have that Bomby Pops.

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Speaker 3: What is this? Is this legal legal? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: He has brought in a special bag with dry ice,

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Speaker 5: Bobby Pops.

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Speaker 3: I was like, is that it is under? This is sick.

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Speaker 1: Hot?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Another company I've been stealing money from for the last

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Speaker 5: few years, so I can finally give them some.

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Speaker 3: Some well uh well respected publicity. Well they still love you.

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Speaker 3: They still love you. I mean no, no other way

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Speaker 3: of showing love than a hot day. Yeah. I don't

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Speaker 3: need to be chicken chipping any of these chickens. I

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Speaker 3: was gonna say that you remember these central.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you could say these as a collector's item. I

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Speaker 2: gotta go find it. Chris, thanks for swinging by. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna take a break. Appreciate you swinging bye. How is

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Speaker 2: it good?

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Speaker 3: What's that? This thing is hard as a rock. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: they seem like you went full. That's delicious. Yeah, all right.

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