1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know from House Stuff Works 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Pritt. Uh. This is Stuff you 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: should Know. Yeah. Uh, this Josh is another episode of 5 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: the Summer of Sam. Are are Oh this kid is good? Yeah? 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: Our friend Sama t Garden is programming our show here 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: and there, Hey and Samson and haw Lian Taming Works, 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: which is also written by Debbie Ronca my buddy, Yeah 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: from New Jersey roller Derby Debbie as I call her, 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: I don't call her that, No, you don't. I call 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: her deb friend if calor roller Derber Debby. You did 12 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: it perfectly the first yea roller Derby Debby, that would 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: just get difficult. Yeah, um, well, right on, this one's 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: just gonna be great then because there's a good article too. 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: That's right, and you can read Debbie's also flog at 16 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: freak Girl dot com. That's quite a plug. Um. And 17 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: then where are we at with Saam? So Sam has 18 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: now selected how lion Taming works? What was the first one? 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember. It was a couple of weeks ago. 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: He's done too. Man, it was awesome, but we actually 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: recorded a couple that he had not heard yet that 22 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: he also had on his list just by chance. We're 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 1: gonna attribute those to him, just just the ones that 24 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: we saw afterwards. But anyway, thanks Sam, this is a 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: good one. We'll put chuck. Um. Well, let's see. Uh, 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: I have a bit of an intro. Have you ever 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: heard the idea that the Simpsons have a tendency to 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: predict the future? Uh no, okay, Well let me enlighten you. Um. 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: There was an episode called Um Homer h O m r. 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: Season twelve, Episode nine, excellent episode. It's where Homer Um. 31 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Basically they find out that Homer is a crayons stuck 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: in his brain, a crayon crayon, Yeah, from childhood, and 33 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: they were They removed it, and his i Q just 34 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: immediately doubles classic. In two thousand seven years after Homer Um, 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: a German lady age fifty nine, Um was going to 36 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: get surgery to cure her chronic headaches. They found a 37 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: pencil that was stuck up there from childhood. Did she 38 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: stuck up there? Yeah, when she was a kid and 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: apparently forgot they found they removed the pencil. She's fine. 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: People are wacky, Yeah, but isn't that weird? Yeah? Sure, okay, UM, 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: here's another one. Let me see what you think about this. 42 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: Um Homer uh in the Treehouse of Horror nineteen who 43 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: definitely didn't see that one. Really? I quit watching it 44 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: after that season twenty UM, he goes to vote for 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 1: Obama on election Day and the UM well, it's it's 46 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: a takeoff of Dive de Bold, the the UM voting 47 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: machines that had so many problems. He goes to vote 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 1: for UM Obama and instead it starts owning a bunch 49 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: of times for McCain. Okay, so the next I guess 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: that year, a woman from West Virginia said that she 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,279 Speaker 1: checked the box next to Obaba and it just automatically 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: switched over to McCain. This is after this thing came out, okay, 53 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: which would mean it's predicting. Probably most chilling is UM 54 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: comes from Springfield with the S spelled is a dollar sign. 55 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: The subtitle is or How I Learned to Stop Worrying 56 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: and Love Legalized Gambling. Season five, episode ten, Springfield gets 57 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: a casino, Mr Burns Casino Great One, and in it 58 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: are two characters who are obviously based on Siegfried and 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: Roy and they're with their white tiger, Anastasia. She loves 60 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: the city. Yeah, um and uh anastalgia. Um flashes back 61 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: to when she was caught in the wild by Siegfried 62 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: and Roy shot her with the trick Lizer gun, and 63 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Um spits out her little bubble pipe and her little 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: beanie and attacks one of them. Yeah. This is a 65 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: full ten years before the attack of Roy. Horn In 66 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: two is Outan three during a show at the Mirage 67 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, where Um one of their white tigers 68 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: attacked him. Monte Core attacked Roy and basically just ended 69 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: their career, right then. Yeah, I think on that one, like, 70 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: if you're gonna write a Simpsons episode aping sick Green, right, 71 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: what else are they gonna do? You're gonna have the 72 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: line need him or the tiger. I'm sorry, you raise 73 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: an excellent point here, but it's still it is. But 74 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: you raise a very good point, and the point is, Um, 75 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: I think everybody who sees someone interacting with the tamest 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: wild animal you could possibly imagine still will not be 77 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: surprised if that animal kills the person. Yeah, because, as 78 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: Jack Hannah put it, very um appropriately, I think and 79 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Jack Hanna he was the original Steve Irwin. Right, uh, yeah, sure. Um. 80 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: He said you can train a while animal, but you 81 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 1: could never tame a wild animal. And that's a really 82 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: big important point in the world of I guess lion taming. Yeah, 83 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: and another famous lion trainer, slash Tamer. We're going to 84 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: probably interchange those words. Said you can't tame a lion 85 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: because if you did that, there would be no act. Yeah, okay. 86 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: Part of the part of the act and part of 87 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: the thrill of this for people is the fact that 88 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: these are wild beasts and if it was just it 89 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: was a penguin, it wouldn't be very exciting. No, it wouldn't. 90 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: I'd like to see that a train penguin. Well, yeah, 91 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: I'm putting your mouth in it, head in its mouth 92 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: and cracking of wi fun. Yeah, it would be. Um, 93 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: it would be really mind blowing if the penguin was 94 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: dressed like a lion tamer and you were treating it 95 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: like a lion. Okay, I've got another lion tamer quote 96 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: for you, then, smart guy, all right, Gunther Gebble Williams. Yeah, 97 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: he was the one I saw growing up at the 98 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: Wrinkling Brothers. He said, a wild animal is like a 99 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: loaded gun. It can go off at any time. So 100 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: let's end the intro with that. Okay, let's talk about 101 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: lion taming. You you brought up a really good point, 102 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: Chuck Um. The if you are in this world these days, 103 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: it's not lion tamer, it's lion trainer or wild animals trainer. Yes, 104 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: because none of these people think that they have a 105 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: tame animal on their hands. Now. It's sort of the 106 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: hubris of some of these early jerks. Um that we'll 107 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: talk about right now. Uh. Eighteen nineteen was kind of 108 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: when it all got going. Frenchman named Ari Martine Um, Yeah, 109 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: hey to our French listener. He was a retired horse 110 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: trainer and he thought, you know what, I'm gonna try 111 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: and work with a tiger, which is very different than 112 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: what anyone's ever seen before. And he had a method 113 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: where he worked himself into the cage little by little, 114 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: like just my presence. Then I'll stick an arm in, 115 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: then I'll stick my head in. Take a couple of scratches, 116 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: yeah here and there, and then eventually he found himself 117 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: earning the trust of the big cats over time, and 118 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: he would find himself completely in the cage. So he 119 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: was the first first dude period. I think first American. 120 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: He was the first known what you would call lion tam. Yeah, 121 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: the first American was a guy named Isaac van Amburke 122 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: and he was around in eighteen thirty three, and he 123 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: was what I meant when I said jerks, because he 124 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: would apparently like beat these cats with crowbars and use 125 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: very violent tactics. Yeah, and he he had a pretty 126 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: good um excuse for it or um justification? Is that sarcasm? Yeah, okay, Yeah, 127 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: he was. He was a biblical guy and he would 128 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: actually act out Biblical scenes with these animals. And his 129 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: big defense was Genesis One, and God said, let us 130 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: make man in our image after our likeness, and let 131 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the 132 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: vowel of the air, over the cattle, and over all 133 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: the earth and over everything. Creeping that creep us upon 134 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: the earth creep And I just like the Bible saying 135 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: creep us. Yeah, it's pretty cool, and it just kind 136 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: of goes on. It's like, really it's one big, one 137 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: run on sentence and you can't help but wonder, um 138 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: if Van Amberg would say the whole thing or just 139 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: be like just read generous this one. Yeah, his big 140 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: His finishing move was sort of insult to injury. After 141 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: he would do all this stuff. And of course he's 142 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: not beating them with a crowbar in front of people, 143 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: but apparently that's how he trained them to begin with 144 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: out of fear and injury. And he would finish his 145 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: shows by making the lines lick his boots. Oh man, 146 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: what a sure I know after all that after suffering 147 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: at his hands. You know, it would be awesome would 148 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: be to see the steam Man of the Prairie beat 149 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: the tar out of Van Amberg. You can reference our 150 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: exoskeleton cast for that one, right, yeah, all right, Um, 151 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: have you seen Fast, Cheap and out of Control? Uh? No, 152 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: is that about robots? You gotta see that. It's Errol 153 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: Morris documentary and it was about a topier gardner, a 154 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: robot scientist, and a lion tamer and how all these 155 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: things sort of intertwined. There was one more, a mole 156 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: rat specialist. And in the movie, Dave Hoover was the 157 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: lion tamer and Errol Morris also worked in because Hoover 158 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: was a huge fan of Clyde Beattie. Uh. And Errol 159 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: Morris worked in this old black and white footage and 160 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: Clyde Beatie was almost the fifth character of that documentary. 161 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's really really great. Okay, I have 162 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: a really good, um wild Animal Tamer documentary. All right, 163 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: let's here. Um you introduced me to this one. It's 164 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: called Cat Dancers. Have you heard of it now? Oh? 165 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: My gosh, it is. It's so heartbreaking, it's ridiculous. It's 166 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: about this group of people who like have their own 167 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: thing going on and um, love one another and love 168 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: their big cats, and then just things keep going wrong. Really, 169 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: it's a really great documentary. It's one of the best 170 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire of life. Yeah, I'll 171 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: see this one out there too. Was one of my favorites. No, 172 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: Fast Cheaping out of Control. Okay, well there it's both 173 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: on the table. It's crazy though, that this podcast features 174 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: two of our favorite documentaries, Fast Cheaping out of Control 175 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: and Cat Dancers. Look for a quiz question on that one. 176 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: You can get those on Netflix. So Clyde Batty, who 177 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: was Dave Whoever's hero, was around in the nineteen twenties. Um, 178 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: he used a pistol and a whip. Yeah, to keep 179 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: things in line and I think the pistol was like 180 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: a sound scare less than like a threatening thing. You 181 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: go through a lot of lions shooting him in the 182 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: chest that it gets expensive. But he was performing at 183 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: this um at this the peak of this um lion tamers, 184 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: you think of an old timey lion tamer um the 185 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: peak of the appreciation from the public. Sure, because a 186 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: lot of these guys they shaped the public expectations, but 187 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: they were also responding to him, and the public has 188 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: had a role in shaping how lion tamers lion trainers 189 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: um interact with their cats. And Beattie was kind of 190 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: the last of the pistol shooting whip crack in chair guys, 191 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: the old guy, Yeah, Hooever actually explains the chair and 192 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: Debbie's right on the money. Um, if you've ever wondered 193 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: why they point a chair at a lion, it's because 194 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: apparently these big cats have a have a one track 195 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: mine or they're single minded, and so the four points 196 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: uh of the chair legs confuse it. And uh, that's 197 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: what Hoover said, So I believe it. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. Um, 198 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: So you've got on Remartine who starts everything out very 199 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: gently using trust yeah, um, and basically just exposing himself 200 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: to these large cats. He did trust falls right and 201 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: the cat would catch him. Um. And uh. Then you 202 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: have um van Amberg come and along Isaac van Amberg. Uh, 203 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: basically just beating the tar out of these things and 204 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: using a very different method fear and clide. Batty kind 205 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: of carries that torch. And then after Beatty things change 206 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: and you have modern lion trainers like Siegfried and Roy 207 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: Gunther Gebel Williams. Is that how you say his name? Yeah, 208 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: you're the German speaker going to billions. This just my 209 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: eye blied. Yeah, he uh, like I said, he was 210 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: the one like that was very big in like the 211 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties when I was growing up, right, And 212 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: apparently he was in an American Express commercial. Yeah yeah, 213 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: with a leopard hanging over him, the Duneley fomb without 214 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: at days probably I would imagine. Um. But so you 215 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: you have the then you have this kind of transition 216 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: to the modern lion trainer, which was actually a circle 217 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: back to the beginning a little more genteel. Well, that's 218 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: just that it's like using trust, not using beatings. Um 219 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: and basically just spending time with your animal to let 220 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: it get to know you. Yeah, and the whip they use. 221 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: Even if you see a whip these days, they're not 222 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: whipping the animal. The whip is to just to sort 223 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: of like, hey, this is my space, this is your space. Yeah, 224 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: my spaces over your exactly spaces over there. Uh. So 225 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: let's talk about the psychology of all this stuff. Yeah, 226 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: animal psychology and people psychology, because it's really not that 227 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: much different. Be of Skinner as a person psychologist, very 228 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: famous one. Yeah, he created the Skinner Box, that's right, 229 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: and his children in it. Oh is that what's his face? 230 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought you're talking about the kid 231 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: that was kept in isolation Arthur. Oh, um baby Albert Albert. No, No, No, 232 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: that's totally different. That was fear extinction that they were studying. 233 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: This is conditioning that Skinner was all about. Um. So, 234 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: operant conditioning is what we're talking about. And that's basically, ah, 235 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: connecting a behavior with a signal um and giving the 236 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: animal a reward. Yeah. It's like it's pretty much a 237 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: one to three cycle. Yeah, it's it's basically saying like, um, 238 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: you did something that's any even remotely close to what 239 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: I want you to do. So here's some food, and 240 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: now you can have the animals attention. Yeah, like, oh 241 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: where did that come from? Right now? Um, you kind 242 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: of shape that behavior where it's like, come on, let's 243 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: let's try turning to the right, and then if they 244 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: move to the right, they get a little bit of food, 245 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: and maybe if they turn all the way the right, 246 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: they get a bunch of food. Um. And then you have, 247 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: say you're leading him with a stick. Um, so eventually 248 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: you remove the stick and replace it with something like 249 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: a snap or a clap or hey, yes, you hear 250 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: a lot of that, and all of a sudden you 251 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: have an animal that can turn into circle when you 252 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: do what you just That's right, and that's called classical conditioning. Well, 253 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: it starts with opera and moves into classical conditions. Operate 254 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: than capturing, than shaping than classical condition and capturing and 255 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: shaping are part of opera. Exactly. Uh should we talk 256 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: about Christian the line? I guess I don't see how 257 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: we can. It is real people, if you've seen this 258 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: on the YouTube, it is not made up. Are you 259 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: sure like you realize what you're saying here? Man? Dude, 260 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: it's as real as like anything in history that happened. 261 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: Like I've seen the documentary about it well, and I 262 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: don't think it was Christopher Guests who directed it. Uh, 263 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it. Christian the Lion, 264 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: something like that. Um, you've seen it on YouTube. In 265 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: nineteen the nineteen sixty nine, late sixties, Um, a couple 266 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: of Aussies, John Rindell and Ace Bork, bought a lion 267 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: from a department store in London. Harrod's didn't know they 268 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: sold lions back then, Harrods does. It was sort of 269 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: the head of London at the time. It was like 270 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: the swinging sixties and these dudes were known for having 271 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: this lion and like throwing parties and stuff. It was 272 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: like pretty cool. And uh, the lion got bigger, of course, 273 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: and they had to release into the wild with the 274 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: help of the born Free people. And then there's of 275 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: course the famous video where they went um to visit 276 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: this lion. Like it was it years later. It was 277 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: seventy three or two, I think two. I'm not sure 278 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: when they released him, but it was. It was quite 279 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: a while later, and there was a few years the 280 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: line jumps up in like hugs the guys. It was amazing. 281 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: It was pretty amazing. Are you sure it's real? I'm 282 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: as sure that that's real as that you're real. Huh. 283 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: Otherwise that the biggest hoax has been pulled over the world, 284 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I think the Howard Hughes 285 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: biography is tops Christians. That was pretty good. Um, But 286 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: as Debbie points out, for every Christian the Lion, there's 287 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: a sig Freed and Roy, yes, which we already kind 288 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: of covered, but I think we should go a little 289 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: more into it. Yeah, there's some different theories out there. 290 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: So in two thousand and three, they were, um, Siegfried 291 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: and Roy were doing their thing and apparently they had 292 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: like I think three thousand of these performances under their 293 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: belts already. Yeah, they were working with Manticre or Monta 294 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 1: Core sorry, who was one of their tigers, um, who 295 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: they'd raised from a cub and he was now seven 296 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: years old. Um, so they knew this this tiger intimately, 297 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: like they were its parents for all intensive purposes. Yeah, 298 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: and that's one of the keys to with line taming 299 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: is that you raised them from a cub. They're not 300 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: going on and getting these tigers from the savannah that 301 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: are grown and then taming them. So the Simpsons were 302 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: wrong in their respect. But um so during this performance, uh, 303 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: something happened. Um, montcor grabbed Roy Um by his wind 304 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: pipe and dragged him off stage from the outset. Um. Roy, 305 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: by the way, is now partially paralyzed and as a 306 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: crushed trachea because of this. But from the outset, from 307 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: the moment he regained consciousness, Roy said, do not destroy Monticore. 308 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: He was like he something happened. He wasn't trying to 309 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: hurt me, he was trying to protect me, and he 310 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: was just dragging me away from whatever it was. Roy 311 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: suggested that possibly he had a stroke and that freaked 312 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: out the tiger. Tiger picked up on it. Um. It's 313 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: also been theorized that a woman This is almost like 314 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: the lone gunman theory. Actually, this is the one. I 315 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: believe a woman with a beehive hair do, sitting towards 316 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: the front row or possibly in the front row, was 317 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: like the stretched it and confused the tiger. Yeah, um, 318 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: which I guess maybe the tiger was trying to get 319 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: Roy away from the beehive. Well what happened? The accounts 320 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: I read is that this tiger became transfixed on this 321 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: lady and like started walking towards the lady, and so 322 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: Roy jumped in between them, and uh, the tiger grabbed 323 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: ahold of his wrist at this point and Roy bopped 324 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 1: him on the nose with the microphone was going release, release, 325 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: and he released him and he fell backward at that point, 326 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: and I think that's when the tiger, the tiger you 327 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: want to say, lying, that's when he thought that Roy 328 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: was in trouble because it was a big brujah all 329 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden with him falling over. People rushed out 330 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: there in the confusion. They think that he grabbed him 331 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: like you would grab a baby kitten around the neck 332 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: to pull it off stage. So that's I believe that 333 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: that sounds sensible. But he didn't let go like they 334 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: sprayed him when this fire extinguisher and they beat him 335 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: with the fire extinguisher until he let go, and UM 336 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: cut his uh what do you call it the wind pipe? Yeah, no, 337 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: but the bleeder the jugular. Yeah. Well, Roy is still alive. 338 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: He survived UM and they actually UM had a final 339 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: performance in two thousand nine, six years later with Monticor 340 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: with mont Core because he's still alive. Yep Um, and 341 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: he was at the Secret Garden and Dolphin Habitat. I've 342 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: been there. It's pretty awesome. Where is this It's in Vegas. 343 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: I can't remember what hotel it's at, but well, the 344 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: Mirrage is where they performed, but I feel like they 345 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: if it's it may be at the rush Um. I 346 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: can't remember. It's also possible it was at another place. 347 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: But anyway, they have like their lions and a couple 348 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: of tigers. They have a bunch of stuff. And it's 349 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: sad because it's a small zoo, but I'm sure these 350 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: animals are treated better than the average animal at a zoo. 351 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: But I mean they're in these enclosed habitats. Well, they 352 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: get investigated just like modern circuses do. I think their 353 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: routine checks by which government agency? Is it the U 354 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: s d A. U s DA does that they do circuses, zoos, 355 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um. The thing is is, if 356 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: you're an animal welfare group, you probably don't think the U. 357 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 1: S d A is doing enough. And even if they 358 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: are following the letter of the law, you probably think 359 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: the letter of the law isn't strong enough. And supposedly 360 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: every single major circus in the United States has been 361 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: cited for violating the Animal Welfare Act. Um. So I 362 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: think the whole concept behind lying, taming, and lining training 363 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: is fascinating for most people. But then you take another 364 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: step further and you're like, these are wild animals and captivity, 365 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: Like what are you doing? Yeah? Why is your head 366 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: in its mouth? Exactly? And I'm glad you brought that 367 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 1: up because then in the introduction there's a pretty good 368 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: description of what a lion can do. A lion's mouth 369 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: can open up wider than your head is tall a 370 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: foot every centimeters. It's also, um, capable of crushing a 371 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: bull spine. I love that reference that that just sounds tough. 372 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: It is to spine of a bull. Yeah, um and 373 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: uh the clause are about three inches long. Pretty serious stuff. 374 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, this is very serious stuff if 375 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: you're a lion trainer. But at the same time, it's like, 376 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, how do you justify having this act? What's 377 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: the act for? What's it doing? Yeah? Is it is 378 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: it protecting? Is it conserving? What is it raising awareness? 379 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: I think people are demanding more explanation than they did, 380 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: and say the time of Clyde Beattie. Well, yeah, because 381 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: back then it was fun to poke in pride things 382 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: that you thought were unusual and exotic, and there wasn't 383 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: a lot of respect for it. Like the initial circuses 384 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: before they were these acts were I think they had 385 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: horse acts, but it was mainly like, look at these 386 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: animals and cages that you've never seen before, and look 387 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: there's a pigmy, yeah, a bearded lady and that guy 388 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: stinks so um And I think Isaac van Jerk was 389 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: the first guy to put his head in the mouth too, right, right, 390 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: he was. Unfortunately the lion didn't finish that job, right man. 391 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: We have like a whole suite of circus arts stuff 392 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 1: human cannonball yeah, um man, we've got to. We have 393 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: several others circus arts. Yeah, that's what it's called. If 394 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: you even look on the channel, it's an entertainment house 395 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: stuff first dot com slash arts, slash circus Arts. It 396 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: has a sub channel circus arts subchannel at how to first, 397 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: because that's the kind of site it is. And if 398 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: you go to that subchannel, you don't even need to 399 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: do that. You can go to the search bar on 400 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: the homepage at house Star dot com and type in 401 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: lion Taming and it'll bring up this article. Yeah, I 402 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: think we know we talked about something else because I 403 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: mentioned that I go to the Big Apple Circus when 404 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: it comes through town. Yeah, I remember talking about that. 405 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: And that's the one where they have like like a 406 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: horse they stall the equestrian show, and like dogs jumping 407 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: through hoops. But other than that, it's like clowns and 408 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: jugglers and uh like the circus all a beats of strength, 409 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: no animals, no big cat people on the road from 410 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: the law. Yeah, it's not like the gaudy Ringling Brothers. Now, 411 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the circus and I can't even tell 412 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: you how Like you should you and you should check 413 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: out the Big Apple Circus. Oh yeah, yeah it's neat 414 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: all right, we'll check it out. It's like very small 415 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: and intimate. It's like it feels like what you might 416 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: expect the circus a hundred years ago to be. Like, 417 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: will you send me an email when it's coming? I will, Okay, okay, 418 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: I said search part. By the way, all right, so 419 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: that means listener mail. Yeah, this is from I'm gonna 420 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: call this um we help someone kick heroin? Did you 421 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: read this awesome. Um Hey, guys, have been meaning to 422 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: write you for a very long time. I've been listening 423 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: to you pretty much since day one, learning and loving 424 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: every step of the way. However, it was almost a 425 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: year ago I chose to check myself into drug treatment. 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