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Speaker 1: This is On the Job, a podcast about finding your

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Speaker 1: life's work. On the job is brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Express Employment Professionals. This season, we're bringing you stories of

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Speaker 1: folks following their passion to carve their own career path.

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Speaker 1: For this season finale of On the Job, we talked

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Speaker 1: to Leonette, a second career lack clerk who works daily

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Speaker 1: misled by bogus colleges. We talked to her about the

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Speaker 1: surprising accessibility of the profession itself and the importance of

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Speaker 1: new voices being represented within it. As a radio producer,

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Speaker 1: I feel like one of the most confusing and out

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Speaker 1: in the field of law. I'm recording, you're recording on

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Speaker 1: your voice memo. Yeah, okay, awesome. Luckily I got to

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Speaker 1: demystify that world a little bit by talking with Leonette.

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Speaker 1: My name is Leonette Rainy Hammett. I am forty two

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Speaker 1: Leonette is a lawyer, technically a law clerk for the

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Speaker 1: Department of Education Barrowers Defense Group. If you're like me

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Speaker 1: and do you hear someone's a lawyer, you immediately think

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Speaker 1: more administrative. We take and we process claims. The Borrowers

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Speaker 1: Defense Group where Leonette works, is part of the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice, a government job, and the claims that they

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Speaker 1: process are from people who say they've been tricked into

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Speaker 1: off fraudulent debt. Basically, these people have gone to for

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Speaker 1: like predatory colleges. Yes they were predatory. Most of them

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Speaker 1: those sketchy schools you might have heard about in the news.

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Speaker 1: Needless to say, these promises the predatory colleges make are

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Speaker 1: at the Department of Justice. We adjudicate these cases to

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Speaker 1: back to on the job. So, at thirty three years old,

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Speaker 1: And that requires like some level of shutting that down,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise it would it would just be too heavy,

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Speaker 1: jobs and the people who work them, because oftentimes the

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Speaker 1: to go every day clocking in and out. The right

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Speaker 1: the people that they deal with every day, saving them

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Speaker 1: from a lifetime of debt. By simply being in the

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Speaker 1: room to share their own perspective, It can change the

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Speaker 1: lives of the generations that come after them. When they

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Speaker 1: look up and see someone is doing a job. They

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Speaker 1: were made to believe that they could never do. The

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Speaker 1: right people in the right jobs level the playing field

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Speaker 1: and over time, help to fix the enormous problems of

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Speaker 1: wealth disparity, gender, pay gaps, and representation in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: They aren't problems that should exist, and if you think

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Speaker 1: want to be part of the solution, what you can

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Speaker 1: It's chunking it. It's taking a little chunk and trying

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Speaker 1: to fix this far because the system as a whole,

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Speaker 1: it desperately needs to be revamped and it's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel optimistic that you're affecting that? Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: I definitely feel aptimistic about that. For On the Job,

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Speaker 1: I'm Otis Gray. Thanks for listening to On the Job,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Express Employment Professionals. This season of

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Speaker 1: On the Job is produced by Audiation. The episodes were

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Speaker 1: written and produced by me Otis Gray. Our executive producer

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Speaker 1: is Sandy Smallens. The show is mixed by Matt Noble

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Speaker 1: for Audiation Studios at the Loft and Bronxville, New York.

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Speaker 1: Music by Blue Dot Sessions. Find us on iHeartRadio and

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