1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the disappearance of a young 2 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Texas woman, Madeline Pentoha. After we take the story to 3 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: the air, a texasman arrested. I'm Nancy Grace. This is 4 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Vocination. 5 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: In series XEM one eleven, the family of a twenty 6 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: year old Texas woman devastated ten days after Madeleine goes missing. 7 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Her body found Pentoho last scene around eleven PM on 8 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: May tenth, after going out with friends in Midland that's 9 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: about three hundred miles west of Dallas. Family and friends 10 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: immediately suspicious when they could not reach her the next day. 11 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: She had also left her phone, purse, keys, and dog 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: behind her at her apartment. Her loved ones became even 13 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: more angry. After a week passed and no progress reports 14 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: in the search for beautiful Madeline, we learned that Mario 15 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: Chicone twenty four, booked on murder one in connection to 16 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: the disappearance and death of a beautiful twenty year old girl, 17 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Madeline Panoha. How did the whole thing begin? 18 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends. 19 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: A kW es search continues for a twenty one year 20 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: old Midland woman, Madeleine Amaline Panhoa. She was last seen 21 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: on Wednesday around eleven pm at seventeen eleven West Francis. 22 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: There's still no word on what she was last wearing, 23 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: but her phone and car they were left at her apartment. 24 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: If you have any information on Madeleine's whereabouts, you can 25 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: call the Midland Police Department at four three two six 26 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 3: eight five seven to one zero eight. 27 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 4: It's a nightmare for any family having no idea where 28 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: your loved one is, and the Pandoha family says they 29 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: have no new information on where Madeleine is. Madeleine's father, Roberto, 30 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 4: is just desperate to have his daughter back and safe. 31 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 5: It's something that we don't wish this on anybody. We 32 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 5: never thought this was going to happen to her family. 33 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 4: Madeline Pandeau Hall was last seen at her apartment complex 34 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 4: on May tenth, Thursday, at one thirty. 35 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: Guys, I'm taking a look at her right now. She 36 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: looks like a beauty queen, and of course that's neither 37 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: here nor there. Her life is as valuable as everyone 38 00:02:53,639 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: else is. But I'm wondering who has seen her, because 39 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: I would remember this face anywhere. She's absolutely stunning. I 40 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: find it very very disturbing right off the top, that 41 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: she's missing without her cell phone. Now, this is a 42 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: twenty one year old girl and young woman. And if 43 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: my children are any example, or basically anybody I know, 44 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: and that includes all three of you sitting here in 45 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: the studio, nobody goes anywhere without their cell phone. Before 46 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: I go to our investigative reporter joining us from km I, 47 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: D TV and Odessa, that would be Rachel Hallam, I 48 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: want to go straight to Carla, Doctor Carla Manley, clinical psychologist, 49 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: author of Date Smart. Doctor Carla, it's great to have 50 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: you with us, and guys, you can find her at 51 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: doctor carlamanly dot com. Doctor Carla, It's like our cell 52 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: phones are an appendage. I often think, I'm sure you've 53 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: seen or read Harry Potters. They never go anywhere without 54 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: their wand ever it's their lifeline. Same thing with the phone. 55 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: My children take their phone everywhere. If they're in the 56 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: back of the house and they come up to the 57 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: front for a glass of milk, they bring their phone. 58 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you think is going to happen? 59 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: You're going to get a call from the White House. 60 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: Why do you have to have your phone? With you 61 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: at all times, but I really don't have leg to 62 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: stand on. 63 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: I do the same thing. 64 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: That is, I'm leading up to a point rather circuitously. 65 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: I find it disturbs me she doesn't have her phone, 66 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: and that tells me she has been taken against her will. 67 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 6: Absolutely, our cell phones, for so many of us have 68 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 6: become a security blanket. So if she'd left her home 69 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 6: without her cell phone, either she left who knows, maybe 70 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 6: just for a minute and intended to go back. But 71 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 6: to leave your home for what over a week now 72 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 6: and to not have your cell phone, that is really 73 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 6: a negative sign. 74 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: Let's go straight to Rachel Hallam, investigative reporter k m 75 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: I DTV Odessa. Rachel, thank you so much for being 76 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: with us. Tell me where was her car and where 77 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: were her car and cell phone found? 78 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 7: So, I mean, what we've been told is that her 79 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 7: car and cell phone were at her apartment. Her cell 80 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 7: phone was in her apartment off of West Francis in Midland. Now, 81 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 7: it does seem that this apartment complex itself is pretty isolated. 82 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 7: It is a good distance from downtown Midland, about five minutes. 83 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 7: I know that doesn't seem like a whole lot, but 84 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 7: it is a pretty good chunk of time, and it 85 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 7: is connected to a pretty active street, which is Garfield Street, 86 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 7: whereas West Francis meets Garfield Street. Now it seems like 87 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 7: somebody would have seen it. Somebody could have seen her 88 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 7: leave or be taken. So it's just odd, like you said, 89 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 7: and interesting enough. It's a very active apartment complex itself. 90 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: Too, Rachel, I'm glad you said that. Guys. 91 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Rachel, how im joining us a reporter km iDTV. I 92 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about Midland for a moment. Midland, and 93 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: of course we all know, is in western Texas. It's 94 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: an oil industry center. But what is grabbing my attention 95 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: It has a population of one hundred and thirty one thousand, 96 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty five the last census. In broad terms, 97 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: that's a relatively small town. I came from one much 98 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: smaller than that at the time. Out in the middle 99 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: of all you could see are pine trees and soybean fields. 100 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: So that's Midland's bigger than where I came from. But still, 101 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: when you're thinking about narrowing down suspects or narrowing down 102 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: what happened to Madeline, I'm thinking about what you said 103 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: that it's about five minutes drive, not walk. Five minutes 104 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: drive from the city center. Is that what you're saying, Rachel, Yes, Sam, 105 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: it's about five driver walk right drive, Okay, So that's significant. 106 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: It's not like she got thrown in the car at 107 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: a red light a busy intersection in downtown Midland. She 108 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: is out in a. 109 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: More residential area. 110 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: But then also you said the apartment backs up on 111 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: a very busy Is it an interstate. 112 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, so it connects to Garfield, which connects to I twenty, 113 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 7: Interstate I twenty, and that is a very very active 114 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 7: interstate right there. 115 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I twenty goes all the way across the 116 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: country to the eastern seaboard. Okay, let me bring in 117 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: Dorian Bond, guys, former Arizona detective, private detective, owner of 118 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: Bond Investigations in Dallas, and I'd like to point out 119 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: that's the largest African American owned PI firm in the country, 120 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: license forty two states. Long story short, you can find 121 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: them in Bond Investigations dot com. Dorian Bond has looked 122 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: for people. Let me tell you that. The reason I'm 123 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: concerned about it, first of all, being a suburban area, 124 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: that's good as far as trying to find a suspect 125 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: that may have taken her, because it's less likely she's 126 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, carjacked and taken or kidnapped, grabbed off a 127 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: corner at an intersection, or you know, walking on a 128 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: busy street, much less likely in a suburban area. But 129 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: backing into I twenty, that's a whole nother animal. And 130 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why this gives me. Okay, I just 131 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: felt it. It gives me shivers. I just got down 132 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: my legs. When I think about Shasta and Dylan GRONI 133 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: I use them as the perfect example. 134 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: Dorian Dorian. 135 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: That was a little girl and her little brother up 136 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: in Cord Delane, Idaho. And if you look down on 137 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: an aerial, which I did from up this guy looking 138 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: down where they were a kidnapped from their home, you 139 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: see nothing but green. 140 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: You don't even see their house. 141 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: And you think, how did somebody find these two children 142 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: to kidnap them? Unless they were a local. You'd have 143 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: to be local to find that place, right wrong. A 144 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 1: guy on the interstate Dorian was driving by, and he 145 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: happened to look out from a certain vantage point and 146 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: between the trees he saw shast of the girl on 147 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: her at her above ground pool went and killed the 148 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: whole family and took the children, later killed the little 149 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: boy Shasta lived. So you're not safe even in a 150 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: nice suburban area tucked away in Midland, Texas. 151 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. 152 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, when you're close to an interstate like that, and yes, 153 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 8: you can see middlands close to the border of Mexico, 154 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 8: when they if somebody disappears, the first thing you're gonna 155 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 8: look at is the for their phone. 156 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: I don't like that at all. Close to the border 157 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: of Mexico. Nothing good is happening there. Go ahead, Dorian. 158 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, And when the first thing you can look at 159 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 8: when you're starting investigations, you look for the person's phone. 160 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 8: The fact that her phone was left there is going 161 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 8: to first teach tell me that it's deliberate. Then we're 162 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 8: going to then we're also going to look for the 163 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 8: try to get a hold of the telephone company and 164 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 8: see if we can get the last few phone calls, 165 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 8: the geolocation of the phone, and maybe the last few 166 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 8: text messages of who she texted, because that's going to 167 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 8: be the key. But the fact that her phone is 168 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 8: still there, it helps us because maybe they can get 169 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 8: access to the phone. Maybe her family which had information 170 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 8: that maybe lead to the password on the phone. But 171 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 8: you know, there's always going to be problems going through 172 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 8: Apple trying to get to a phone. It's an iPhone. 173 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully somebody can crack it. Like I know everybody 174 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: and my family's code to their phone, so somebody should 175 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: probably know her code. Guys, joining me right now is 176 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: a very special guest. It's one of Mallin's dearest friends. 177 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: She showed up at Malon's apartment, but Madelin didn't answer 178 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: the phone. Jasmine Hernandez is with us, but first I 179 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: want you to hear our friends at crimeonline dot com. 180 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 9: After a night out with friends, Madeline Pentojas stopped responding 181 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 9: to text and phone calls. One of Pentohas's siblings went 182 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 9: to her apartment, but the door was locked and no 183 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 9: one answered. Midland police were called. Officers broke in and 184 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 9: found Pentoha's phone, keys, and her dog inside. Her car 185 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 9: was also still in the parking lot. Information began filtering 186 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 9: in from neighbors who heard arguing from both inside and 187 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 9: outside the apartment and screaming around one am. Surveillance cameras 188 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 9: caught a pickup truck speeding away from the home. 189 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: Was that Madeline? Was she fighting someone off? If so, 190 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: why didn't the neighbor call nine to one one? And 191 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: what do we know about a mystery truck peeling off? 192 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: Jasmin? 193 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What led you to 194 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: go over to Madelin's apartment looking for her? Hi? 195 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 10: Yes, ma'am. So we had some plans that following day, 196 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 10: and so she was answering her phone and I have 197 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 10: her location on my phone and I noticed about her 198 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 10: location with at her apartment all day. And it's very 199 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 10: unlike her to cancel plans, to just not respond, and 200 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 10: she texts me every day, so I know when something's wrong. 201 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 10: I know when I need to show up to make 202 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 10: sure she's okay. So I showed up and sure enough, 203 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 10: she wasn't in there, and the rest of her stuff 204 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 10: was in there. 205 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace a double blow for the 206 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: family of Madeline Pantoha after they searched desperately to find 207 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: twenty year old Madeline. Her body is discovered booked in 208 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: her murder Mario check out All Along. Friends believe panto 209 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: Ha's ex boyfriend with whom she had recently broken up 210 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: and who still had to key to her apartment was 211 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: to blame. He was not publicly named as a POI 212 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: person of interest. What do we know about Madeleine's disappearance? 213 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 2: Guys with me. 214 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: Is a very dear friend of Madeline's. Now, I think 215 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: you said, Jasmine, that you have her on your location. 216 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: Yes, maam, I do. 217 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: What were your plans for the next day? What were 218 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: you two going to do? 219 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 10: And we were going to swim at her apartment. 220 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: So let me understand this. You keep calling her, you 221 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: text her, she never responds. You have plans for that day? 222 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: About what time of the day did you go over 223 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: and find out there's her car? The locator on the 224 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: phone says she's in her apartment, but she's not coming 225 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: to the door. I want to hear the whole thing 226 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: and tell me in slow mo Jasmine. 227 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 10: Yes them. So I showed up around six forty five pm, 228 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 10: and I was out there. I had her door for 229 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 10: quite a bit of time, and I actually left at 230 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 10: one point and had a gut feeling to go back. 231 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: Why did you leave because she wouldn't come to the door. 232 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 10: Yes, I just figured maybe her phone's dead and maybe 233 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 10: she left her phone here and maybe she looked at 234 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 10: a friends. I don't want to overreact, but then I 235 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 10: don't know. I just had a gat feeling to turn 236 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 10: back around. 237 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: Hold on, let me make a note of that. Manmute. 238 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: So if your phone has gone dead, everybody here in 239 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: the studio google us very quickly. I think I know 240 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: the answer, but I'm not sure. If your phone goes dead, 241 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: will it still show up on the location tracker? I 242 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: think it will show its last location, but I don't 243 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: know that. 244 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 11: Jack. 245 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: Can you look at that really quickly? 246 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: So you think, Okay, your phone's dead, she's gone somewhere, 247 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: and then you leave? 248 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: What made you go back? Jas? And I find that 249 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: really curious. 250 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 10: I just had a really bad gut feeling, and I 251 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 10: trust my. 252 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: Gut when you say bad gut feeling. What did it 253 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: feel like? 254 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 10: I felt wrong for leaving? 255 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 5: I don't know. 256 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 10: I felt like I needed to know that she was 257 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 10: at least okay and she was in there, or if 258 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 10: she was out with a friend. I needed to know. 259 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 10: So I contacted her friends and sure enough they hadn't 260 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 10: heard from where either. 261 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: Okay, guess what I was wrong. 262 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: If someone's phone dies, their location is no longer trackable. 263 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: The phone need to be turned on and connected to 264 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: a network in order to be located. If it's turned 265 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: off or the battery dies, the phone can no longer 266 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: be located. Huh, I want, But I guess you could 267 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: steal Jackie get the last known location. But now we 268 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: know when you're getting somebody's location on a tracker, like 269 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: I've got my whole family on Life three sixty. I 270 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: guess when their phone dies, you can't track. But it 271 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: does say my daughter's phone goes dead all the time. 272 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: It says last at home at two forty pm, So 273 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: it does give you that much. Okay, Jasmine, you know 274 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: what I always tell the children. I always say, you 275 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: know what, if what you're doing makes you feel bad, 276 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: or if you think you're not going to do something 277 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: and that makes you feel bad, that means that's the 278 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: wrong thing to do. You need to hear your feelings 279 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: and follow them. 280 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: So you leave. Did you go get in your car? 281 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 6: I did. 282 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 10: I got in my car. I drove down the street. 283 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 10: I actually called in some food and I never ended 284 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 10: up getting the food. I turned back around and I 285 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 10: went back. 286 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: Wow, you are a loyal friend, so you've been out 287 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: there bamming on the door, ringing the doorbell, calling your name. 288 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: Nobody comes to the door. 289 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: You leave, and then you have a second thought, you 290 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: go back and then what happens? 291 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 10: Still no answer to the door. And that's when I 292 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 10: contacted her brother. 293 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: Hey, tell me about her apartment, please, Jasmine, can you 294 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: see in there? Is it on the second floor? Third floor? 295 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: First floor? Can you look in the back door? The 296 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: front door doesn't have a balcony. 297 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: What can you tell me? Yes, ma'am. 298 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 10: So it is on the third floor, and she does 299 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 10: have a balcony. And from her door, there's a little 300 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 10: crack and you can see that there is a light 301 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 10: on a crack where at the top of the door. 302 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 10: Her door is a little luonky, So if you kind 303 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 10: of lean on it, there's a crack at the top 304 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 10: and you can see what at it a light's on 305 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 10: orbits off. 306 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: So by then you know seven seven thirty is it 307 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: getting dark? 308 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 10: Not quite yet, it gets dark baby, around eight nine is. 309 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: But you could see a light was on inside, and 310 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: you know her phone is saying it's inside. 311 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: And did you see your car? 312 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 10: Her car was there? It was parked in the parking lot. 313 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: What kind of car, is it. 314 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 10: It's a kind of like a dark blue Mazda. 315 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: So then what do you do? You call her brother? 316 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: And then what happens? 317 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 10: So he joins me and tries to continue knocking on 318 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 10: the door, and we were found by the maintenance man 319 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 10: and he let us in fray wellness check, and that's 320 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 10: where we found all of her belongings. Her purse, her phone, 321 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 10: her keys, everything was there. Her phone was between the couch, 322 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 10: her keys and her purse were on her coffee table. 323 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Well, what phone was where between the couch? You mean 324 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: in the cushions. 325 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: Yes, the couch cushion down in the cushions. 326 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: Interesting, Well, okay, I know this sounds like a crazy question, 327 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: but when you say the phone was in the cushions, 328 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: was the phone on one end of the sofa? Like 329 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: she had had her head on a pillow with her 330 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: phone and it fell down in there. 331 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: Where on the sofa was it? 332 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 10: It was like towards the middle of the sofa, between 333 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 10: those cush. 334 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, phone and the cushions. Purse. There was 335 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: the balcony, lot it. 336 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 10: Wasn't but she never lost your balcony? 337 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, yeah, it was on the third floor 338 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: and the dog was there, right. 339 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 10: The dog was there, dog named Luna. 340 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: After you find all of her stuff there, what did 341 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: you do? Jasmine? 342 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 10: We immediately got worried and that's when we called the 343 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 10: Middlan Police Department and they had came down to start 344 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 10: looking for us and figuring out what to do. 345 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: Has she ever gone this long without contacting you? 346 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 10: No, she's never gone more than a couple hours without 347 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 10: contacting me. 348 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: How long have you known? 349 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: Madeline? 350 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 12: For? 351 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 10: About four and a half years. 352 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: Joining me right now is Erv Miller. You may recognize 353 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: his name. 354 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: He's a renowned criminal defense attorney with the Miller Firm. 355 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: You can see him on CBS WBBM. He is the 356 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: legal advisor to the Good Wife and The Good Fight 357 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: with CBS. 358 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 2: Erv, thank you for being with us here. Rub. She's 359 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 2: twenty one years old. 360 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: You don't have to tell anybody you're going anywhere once 361 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: you are of a majority, and cops will say, well, 362 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean she's missing, And they very often say, oh, 363 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: she's run off with their boyfriend. Some bs like that 364 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: because they know at that age twenty one, you don't 365 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: have to answer to anybody. You can leave without your 366 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: cell phone. That's not a crime right earth. 367 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 8: It's not a. 368 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 12: Crime, but it's not typical, and that's what the law 369 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 12: enforcement agencies look for. What's not typical when you have 370 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 12: a missing person and the door is locked and they're 371 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 12: not in there. The person is still there, the dog 372 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 12: is still there, the car is still there. You know, 373 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 12: if I could just comment quickly about the location, there's 374 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 12: a big difference between what might happen in the city 375 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 12: like Chicago, where I live, and what may happen in 376 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 12: the rural area of Midland, Texas. 377 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 6: You know, in. 378 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 12: Chicago, on every bridge on the highway, there's license plate readers, 379 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 12: on doorbells, on every block, there's ring doorbells where you 380 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 12: can get pictures of what's going on. On street corners. 381 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 12: We have police pods with cameras on them to surveil 382 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 12: the area. None of that's going to be present in 383 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 12: this particular scene that we're talking about today. 384 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, it's going to make it 385 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: much more difficult. The best clue we've got right now 386 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: is a late night argument. I can't tell Rachel hallam 387 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: km id joining us out of Odessa. The neighbors that 388 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: say they heard an argument, did they hear a female 389 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: voice or could they tell. 390 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 7: From what I've been told, they could tell if there 391 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 7: was a female voice and there was also a male voice. 392 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 7: They were arguing both outside of the apartment and inside 393 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 7: the apartment. 394 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 2: Did they call nine one one not? 395 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 6: From what I've been told. 396 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: Now, the search is on, guys, take a listen to 397 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: our cut. Three are friends at Kwees. 398 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 5: We've gone to lands over there, just empty lots thinking. 399 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: We've had people that. 400 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 5: We don't know searching with their drones. They've sent them, 401 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 5: sent us the videos, they send us pictures of the 402 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 5: of the finish day to We've had people offer horses 403 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 5: to us so that we can search. 404 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 4: The family just wanting to find Madeline as soon as possible. 405 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: All he wants to fun his daughter. Rachel Hall. 406 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm joining us investigative reporter k M I D TV 407 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: and Odessa tell me about the search. What is being 408 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: done to find Madeline? 409 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, like we just heard, there are so 410 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 7: many people in this area and even outside of Midland 411 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 7: that are searching themselves. Drones going out, They're going on 412 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 7: foot in and out of fields, and I've been in 413 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 7: contact with MPD pretty much every day since her disappearance. 414 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 7: Trying to get some answers. They say that they are 415 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 7: actively investigating any leads that they might have and searching themselves. 416 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 7: But as of right now, of course, there's there's just 417 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 7: no updates. 418 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: You know. 419 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: I want to go to you, Dori and Bond, as 420 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: well as IRV Miller, to talk about what should be 421 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: done right now, What should be happening in the search 422 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: for this beautiful young woman, twenty one year old Texas 423 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: woman Madeline Panchoh Dorian Dorian Bond joining me, detective private investigator, 424 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: owner of Bond Investigations, ain't in Dallas. What should be 425 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: happening right now to find her? 426 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 8: Well, I'm sure the police have already done this, but 427 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 8: the first thing I'm doing is going to interview the 428 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 8: neighbors that hurt the arguments see if there's any kind 429 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 8: Sometimes in people in apartment complexes they have cameras that 430 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 8: are pointing outside their windows looking at their cars due 431 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 8: to the property thefts in those areas. So I'd check 432 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 8: and see if there's any kind of cameras in the area, 433 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 8: look for red light cameras, look for local businesses that 434 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 8: are close by there that might have cameras to see 435 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 8: if they can see any kind of vehicles going in 436 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 8: and out and seeing that they can get you license 437 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 8: plates ran look at it, see if I don't know 438 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 8: if if they have license plate camera readers in that area. 439 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 8: But that's one of the first things. But like I 440 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 8: said before, the first thing is a cell phone. And 441 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 8: the cell phone's gone, You've got to move. You've got 442 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 8: to move to talking to neighbors and what they've heard 443 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 8: and what they heard in the In the midst of 444 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 8: the argument, I'm. 445 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 2: Very curious about ring doorbells. 446 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: What do you know if anything about that, Rachel hallam 447 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: joining us KM I D because we've had so many 448 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: breakthroughs and searches from ring doorbells. 449 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, and even out here, especially that a lot 450 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 7: of people have ring doorbells. Now, I mean, it wouldn't 451 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 7: hurt obviously to see if anybody in that apartment complex 452 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 7: had some. We've had a lot of breakthroughs in package 453 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 7: sets and pettyfests like that. But I mean, it definitely 454 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 7: would be a possibility and a big help if they 455 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 7: could have anybody have an eye on that. 456 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Rachel or Jasmine, what is the name of our apartment complex. 457 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 10: It is the Palladium Apartment there in Midland they are? 458 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 2: And how big are those apartments? Jasmine? 459 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: Do you know how many people would live there? 460 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 10: I'm not quite. 461 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: Sure, Rachel. 462 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if they have security cameras 463 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: at the entry the exit when you look at the apartment, 464 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: anyone on the panel? 465 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: Are there multiple entries and exits? 466 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 7: There is just the one entrance, and they should have 467 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 7: cameras right in the front. It is a pretty big 468 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 7: apartment complex, so there should be plenty of residents, and 469 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 7: there's a lot of buildings, so there should be some 470 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 7: cameras out there. 471 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: Also, there's a playground. Is that there a playground at Palladium? 472 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 8: Yeah? 473 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: Well that tells me that they may very well have cameras. 474 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: Have any of you seen a camera there? 475 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 10: Yes, they do have cameras where they all over the apartment, 476 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 10: but they do not work. We've already contacted the management 477 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 10: and they have said that none of them work besides 478 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 10: the one entering the apartment to the gates, and that 479 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 10: one is only a life seed. It is a save 480 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 10: data according to the management. 481 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: Is this Rachel or Jasmine? This is justin You know what, really, Irvmailler? 482 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: Do I have to say the two words Chandra Levy. 483 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: Did nobody learn a darn thing. Remember when Chandra Levy 484 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: went missing, the DC intern from California that was having 485 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: the affair with the congressman Condit and she disappears, We 486 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: can't find her. And she left her apartment just before 487 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: she went missing, but they rolled over it, they videoed 488 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: over it in the lobby, So you don't know if 489 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: she left with somebody, if someone you know, had a 490 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: gun in her bag under a coat. Did was she 491 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: dressed to go jogging? Was she dressed out to go 492 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: out to dinner? It would have told us so much. 493 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: That was the big deal when Chandra Levy went missing, 494 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: she was later found dead. She had gone jogging, and 495 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: I believe it was Rock Creek Park, not far from 496 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: where she lived. But how much more quickly would we 497 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: have looked there for her if we could have seen 498 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: her in her jogging outfit, because that was her jogging route. 499 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: So irv Miller, you know what, that is a huge, 500 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: huge blonder for the apartment complex. 501 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 8: Oh absolutely. 502 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 12: And you know in the case also goes to prove 503 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 12: that it's not always the typical suspect that ends up 504 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 12: being the bad guy. But the other thing that I 505 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 12: would suggest that the police should be doing right away 506 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 12: is checking financial accounts of hers to see if there 507 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 12: was any suspicious activity on a credit card, activity on 508 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 12: any bank accounts that you use an ATM, and perhaps 509 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 12: there's you know, some of these ATM when they're originally 510 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 12: used as actually a photograph of the person that is 511 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 12: actually using the ATM. Those are things that I think 512 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 12: should also be doing rather quickly to try to solve 513 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 12: this one. 514 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: Are these Poladium apartments on La Mesa Road, Jasmine, No, ma'am. 515 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 10: There are two Pladium apartments. This one is across from 516 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,239 Speaker 10: the Horseshoe Arena. It is off the industrial. 517 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes. 518 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that they don't have video cams 519 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: and the ones they do have for only a live feed. 520 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: They search for this young lady goes on. I mean, 521 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: once you look at her, you will never forget her face. 522 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 2: She is stunning. Guys. 523 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut nineteen our friends from 524 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: crime online dot Com. 525 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 9: It's been eight days since Madeline Pantoha disappeared. Pentoha's father 526 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 9: says they are searching everywhere. People are using their drones 527 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 9: to cover land and empty lots quickly sending the family 528 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 9: videos pictures of the footage. The family has also had 529 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 9: offers of horses for searches. Madeline Panoha is approximately five 530 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 9: feet four inches tall and one hundred and thirty pounds, 531 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 9: with long, dark hair. She has two butterfly tattoos behind 532 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 9: her right ear and a tattoo of a snake on 533 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 9: her right arm. 534 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: Okay, that is helpful, that's very distinctive. Tell me about 535 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: the genesis, the origin of those tattoos, Jasma, her Nandez. 536 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: What did they mean the butterfly tattoos? 537 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 10: So she actually has the matching butterfly tattoo with another 538 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 10: friend of hers and the snake. She was so anxious 539 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 10: to get her first tattoo, she just chose whatever she 540 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 10: wanted to at the tattoo shop. 541 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: Tell me about her personality, Jasmine. 542 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 10: She's really bubbly. She's such a girl's girl. She's so sweet. 543 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 10: It's honestly really disappointing that all of this happened to her. 544 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 10: She really doesn't deserve any of this. 545 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: What does she date for a living, Jasmine? 546 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 10: So she actually works with me. We bartend at Clear 547 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 10: Springs Cafe and we work there together. 548 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 1: Dorian bond that opens up a whole cornucopia of possibilities, 549 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: a real Pandora's box. How do we know that someone 550 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: didn't spot her as a bartender, follow her, stalk her, 551 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: get obsessed with her. It happens a lot, Dorian, It. 552 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 8: Does happen a lot, and I know a lot of 553 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 8: bars have implemented that when the bartenders do lead that 554 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 8: somebody usually security walks them to the but not only 555 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 8: walks into the car, but they also watch to make 556 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 8: sure if any vehicles follow them before they leave and 557 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,239 Speaker 8: see exactly if how many vehicles departed the area right 558 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 8: when the bartenders left, because that's an extra layer of security. 559 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 8: Because that's the one problem that we started noticing a 560 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 8: lot of people go to bars and they fall in 561 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 8: love with the bartender because barteners being nice, which usually 562 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 8: bartenders are nice because they're looking for a tip, and 563 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 8: so some people take that niceness the. 564 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 11: Wrong way and then they'd fall the home and do 565 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 11: have problems like that across the country. 566 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace, her disappearance unfolded within her 567 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: community there in Midland, family and friends desperately trying to 568 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: find her. The family is suffering. Take a listen to 569 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: our cut nine. Our friends at ABC, most would. 570 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 13: Not expect this to happen to someone they love, and 571 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 13: for friends and family of Madeline, that is exactly the case. 572 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: Just she was so loving and like goofy carrying. 573 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 10: It was like who would have thought anyone could hurt 574 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 10: like such as sweet fool like that. 575 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 13: Overall, they just hope that if she is watching, they 576 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 13: have so much they want her to know. 577 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 6: Please, don't like yourself, your for you. 578 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 8: You're always be here and no matter what what you're trying, there's. 579 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: So many people looking for you. There's so many people 580 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 2: that just wants you. 581 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 4: Bet you're not alone and we're not going to stop 582 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: looking until we have a response. 583 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: We will find you. We will give up and our 584 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: twenty our friend Zytany's West nine. 585 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 10: The days have just been ah mush together honestly because. 586 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 9: We've just been doing the same thing. 587 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 14: We've just been reaching out to whoever we can reach 588 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 14: out to, looking in the lands, fields and everywhere we 589 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 14: can look for her. 590 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 10: So I have the best word right now, it's heartbroken 591 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 10: because I feel hopeless. There's something that we can do, 592 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 10: like a side of our hands and be searched. 593 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 14: Everywhere we passed out fires everywhere. If you're watching this, Maddie, 594 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 14: just be strong. We're coming to get you, and we're 595 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 14: trying our hardest to find you. To stay strong, and 596 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 14: we will stay strong too. 597 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: Family and friends doing everything they can to help police 598 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: find missing Madeline. Rachel Hallam joining US investigative reporter km Ida, 599 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: who's been on the story from the very beginning, and. 600 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: That's gotten to be a horrible, horrible. 601 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: Scenario for her friends out digging through landfills trying to 602 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: find her. What can you tell me about the identity 603 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: of the man we believes having an argument around one 604 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: am that morning at her or near her apartment. 605 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, so what I've been told is that he was 606 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 7: an ex boyfriend of Madeline and they were having an argument, 607 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 7: like we had mentioned, outside of their apartment and inside 608 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 7: their apartment, they had been living together for a while 609 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 7: but recently had broken up, and they he still had 610 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 7: a key to her apartment and told friends that he 611 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 7: didn't have. 612 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 6: A key, but they that they told me that they 613 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 6: knew he. 614 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 7: Had a key and he was probably one of the 615 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 7: only options about only options to get into her apartment. Luckily, 616 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 7: the maintenance and like we had talked about helped them 617 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 7: get in there, but they know that he had a 618 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 7: key to her apartment. 619 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: Still, Jas and Hernandez, how long had they been broken up? 620 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 10: I want to say for about a month. 621 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Let me guess she broke up with him, yes, ma'am. 622 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: Was he angry about the breakup? 623 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 10: Yes, maam? More so upset and sad, just trying to 624 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 10: get her back any way he could. 625 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: Really, any way he could, Like, what was he doing 626 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: to try to get her back? 627 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 10: Sometimes he would just send flowers to her apartment randomly, 628 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 10: but she would continually say that she did not want 629 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 10: to get back with him and that she was better 630 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 10: off by herself. 631 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: Why did she break up with him? 632 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 10: Honestly, he just wasn't very good of a person in 633 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 10: setting out. He just wasn't very very good and she 634 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 10: deserved more than what he had to talk her. 635 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you mean? Did he neglect her? Was 636 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: he rude to her? Was he abusive to her? Why 637 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: did she break up with him? What did she tell 638 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: you as to why she broke up? 639 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 10: She told me that he cheated on her with someone, 640 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 10: So yeah, that's the reason for the breakup. She didn't 641 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 10: really go into detail, but. 642 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: And We don't know that that's true or whether she 643 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: thought that it happened and it did or did not happen, 644 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: but that's the reason she gave for breaking up. Take 645 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends a kW Ees. 646 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 15: Pental's body was found near East County Road one ninety 647 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 15: and South County Road eleven thirty eight. The report doesn't 648 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 15: say how Pental had died, but did say that her 649 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 15: body was sent to the Dallas County Medical Examiners for 650 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 15: positive identification and an autopsy. 651 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: Madeline just twenty years old when she reportedly was murdered 652 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: by ex boyfriend Maria Chikan, just fourteen days before her 653 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: twenty first birthday. 654 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends, akw Ees. 655 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 15: Please, were tipped off that twenty four year old Mario 656 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 15: Vanhacoon Junior may have been their suspect. After initial questioning. 657 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 15: According to the arrest warrant, Chaqun was evasive when Penthala 658 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 15: his friends asked him if he knew where she was. 659 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 15: The warrant says that Jaquon kept telling him that he 660 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 15: was at his dad's house and that the anger medication 661 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 15: he took didn't allow him to drive. Police also said 662 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 15: that when they investigated him, his story had some holes knts, 663 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 15: and it also kept changing up. The Warren says he 664 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 15: forgot to mention that he went to get drinks with 665 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 15: his cousin, picking him up in a four f two 666 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 15: fifty at the same apartment Penthoh lived in. A report 667 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 15: also says that his pickup was found near an oil 668 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 15: company off of Montgomery, while the Warren also says that 669 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 15: foul play was suspected after two investigations of her apartments. 670 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,479 Speaker 1: Amidst the desperate of the discovery of twenty year old 671 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: Madeline Pentoha's disappearance, family and friends choose to celebrate her life. 672 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: They gathered together to celebrate what would have been Madeleine 673 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: Pentoha's twenty first birthday. Those who were close to Madeline 674 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: gathered at Our Lady Guadeloupe Church in Midland to memorialize 675 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: a beautiful daughter, sister, cousin, and friend, Madeleine Pentoha, her 676 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: body found just days before her twenty first birthday. Now justice, 677 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,