1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Every day we used rideshare. 2 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: We use it all the time all across America. That's 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: the way to go. Very often we hear about attacks 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: by the driver on an individual, usually a female. We 5 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: don't hear very often about an uber driver or a 6 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: lift driver that goes missing. I mean, I see, Grace. 7 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in Sirius XM one eleven. First 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to our friends and cut 10 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: one kd KA fit Karen Police say Christy Specusa was 11 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: driving as an Uber driver Thursday night when family says 12 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: she went radio silence. Police say this morning they found 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Specusa's call on Fourth Street and Pitt Karen. Pitt Karen 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: Police say her purse was still in the car and 15 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: an Uber camera inside was missing. It's horrible that one 16 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: of us has gone missing and we have no protection, 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: and now we're worried are we going to be next? 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: We talked to two local Uber drivers who say they're 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: horrified by what happened and believe more safety measures need 20 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: to be in place to keep drivers safe. It scares 21 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: me because we have no protection. An investigation into what 22 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: happened to Spicuza is ongoing, but until the case is solved, 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: these drivers say they'll be driving with extra cautient. Police 24 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: have not released any information on a suspect or suspects, 25 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: but they are asking anyone that knows anything to call 26 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: the County tipline. Police say callers can remain anonymous again. 27 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace is his crime stories. Thanks for being 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation in series x M 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: one eleven with me and all Star panel to make 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. First of all, 31 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: twenty seven years in Metro major case. Former Swatnell lawyer 32 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: James shell Nutt at the shell Nutt Law Firm. Doctor 33 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Justin Boardman, former 35 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Special Victims Unit detective, author of I Was Wrong. You 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: can find him at Justin Boardman dot com. Katherine Maloney, 37 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical because the Medical Examiner, 38 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: Erie County Medical Examiner's Office. But first straight out to 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: Alyssa Raymond, anchor, reporter WPXI Channel eleven. Alissa, thank you 40 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: so much, for joining us. This goes down in Monroeville, Pennsylvania. 41 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: Let's just start right there. Where's Monroeville. If you think 42 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: about the city of Pittsburgh, Monroeville is on the east 43 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: side of the city, at about a fifteen twenty minute 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: drive from there. In all of these areas that we're 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: going to be talking about today are to known as 46 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: boroughs or townships. That's the thing in western Pennsylvania where 47 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: a lot of these places have their own police departments, 48 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: their own governments, and their own school districts. How big 49 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: is it? How big is Monroeville? Monroeville is pretty sizable. 50 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: They have a big business district. It's definitely a lot 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: bigger than pitt Karen, which is where this all originated. Well, 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Pittsburgh is how far away 53 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: from Philadelphia? We're talking four plus hours? Yeah, because we 54 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: were looking at the distance between the Warhol Museum and Philly, 55 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: and even by train where you don't have any traffic lights, 56 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: it's four to five hours by train to get there, 57 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: and you go through a lot of a lot of 58 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: land open land surrounding that area. Would you refer to 59 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: it as cosmopolitan? Would you refer to it as rural. 60 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: How would you refer to Monroeville. I would not refer 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: to it as rural because it does have your shops 62 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: and your car dealerships, and there's not a lot of 63 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: farm land around them. I mean, it's the population about 64 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: twenty seven thousand, Yeah, yeah, ad sizable twenty seven twenty 65 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: seven thousand around there the last time. So yes, okay, 66 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: A lot of people would consider that. I guess shell 67 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: nut coming from Atlanta metro major case, would that's kind 68 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: of the size of the area where I grew up 69 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: in unincorporated bib County, which was all rural when you 70 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: compare that to a major city like New York, Atlanta's, Chicago, LA. 71 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: And the reason I ask is because that's how you 72 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: start with a crime scene investigation. Would you agree with that, 73 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: James shell NUTT. Somebody goes missing, either they left on 74 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: their own, they've had some sort of an accident where 75 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: they were taken. The fact that her purse is sitting 76 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: in her car, and I am talking about the victim 77 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: in this case, Christina Pasuza. Her purse is sitting in 78 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: her car. She's on her job as an uber driver, 79 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: and there's no indication that she left willingly, So that 80 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: tells me that she was taken. Now, when you're dealing 81 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: with an area of twenty seven thousand population, how does 82 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: that weigh into your investigation? James shell Nutt, Well, it 83 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: weighs in an investigation that there may not be as 84 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: many witnesses as if it was in a major metropolitan area. 85 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: But it also, on the flip side of that possibly 86 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: cuts down on the overall number of suspects that you 87 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: have as well. You know, there certainly is not going 88 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: to be as many cameras or as many eyes out there. 89 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: So that night match you Alyssa Raymond anchor reporter to WPXI, 90 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: Christina was was this her main job, a second job, 91 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: a part time job? I know she has four children, right, yeah, 92 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: she has four children. And they were really low on cash, 93 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: her fiance says that, and she was just trying to 94 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: make some money, actual money for a family. And also 95 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: they were saying that, you know, she spent her last 96 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: funds at the prior stop before this final uber ride. 97 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: She she did what she spent her last what the 98 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: last of her money at this stop prior to this 99 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: final uber ride. They were so low on cash that 100 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: she spent her final money right before the final Uber 101 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: ride is what her fiance said. Take a listen to 102 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: Our Frenzy KDKA and our cut too. Police s a 103 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: Spekuza's family last heard from her on Thursday night while 104 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: she was driving for Uber. They say her purse was 105 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: in the car, but her Uber camera was missing. Johnson 106 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: says the company needs stronger safety protocols, so if it's missing, 107 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: how does that really help anyone? So I think, but 108 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: I just think they they're safety precautions, I'm sure, or 109 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: they can dig. They're too smart that they should be 110 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: able to protect your drivers better. Johnson says she's a 111 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: part time Uber driver herself, but she says she'll never 112 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: do it again. We reached out to Uber. A spokesperson 113 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: says they are deeply committed to the safety of drivers 114 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: and they have procedures in place. They also said in 115 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: a statement, our thoughts are with Christie's family and friends 116 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: during this difficult time. Uber's twenty four seven public Safety 117 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: team has been assisting police in the investigation. By to 118 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: Lisa Raymond joining usup side Channel eleven, tell me about 119 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: the night she goes missing, What happened to listen. It's 120 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: all started on Thursday, February tenth. Her fiance says that 121 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: she was picking up some extra uber rides to get 122 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: some extra cash for her family, and he said that 123 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: she usually checked in with him every hour when she 124 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: was out on these rides, and the last time he 125 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: heard from her was around at nine o'clock. Again, that 126 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: was Thursday, February tenth, as she was leaving Steel City Vapors, 127 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: like I mentioned, eight, had said that they're very low 128 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: in cash, and that's where she spent the last of 129 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: her money. So how far away is that from where 130 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: her car was found? So if you're looking at Monroeville 131 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: and pick Karen, they're really close, about less than a 132 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: ten minute drive, i'd say from those two locations. I'm 133 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: trying to take this all in. Tell me about the 134 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: discovery of the vehicle, and I'm taking that this was 135 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: a part time job. Alyssa Raymond joining us. Tell me 136 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: about the discovery of the vehicle. They're back to Thursday, 137 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: February tenth, that's the last time you heard from her, 138 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: and weave fast forward to Friday, February eleven. Oh wait, wait, wait, 139 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: Waite White, So Thursday she's heard from around eight PMS 140 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: that what you said, nine pm, nine pm? Thank you? 141 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Last time he heard from her? Then when is she 142 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: reported missing? Friday February eleventh, and her fiance was very 143 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: active on Facebook posting updates saying this is so unlike 144 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: her to not hear from her. You know that he 145 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: was just at a loss for words, and he reported 146 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: her missing. He's the one that called nine one one, Alyssa, Yes, yes, okay, 147 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: right there, Angela Arnold. The fact that he reported her missing, 148 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: the fiance, Brandon Marteau. That says a lot to me. 149 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why. How many times have you 150 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: and I talked about missing women, doctor Angie? And let's 151 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: just talk about Susanne Morphew, Barry Morphew. The husband goes 152 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: out of town on Mother's Day. He claims to a 153 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: work site out of town, and he calls his daughters. 154 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: They call mom, can't find her. Then they contact a 155 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: neighbor to go check on her. He's not the one 156 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: doing any of the calling. And so often we see 157 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: that the husband, fiance, boyfriend, they're not calling nine one one, 158 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: they're not outlooking. But here we have the fiance, Brandon 159 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: Marto actively trying to find her, posting, calling her, and 160 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: finally reporting her missing the next day. And even when 161 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: I say the next day, typically that would be too 162 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: long of a lapse to report someone missing, but she 163 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 1: is last her from at nine pm and then he 164 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: reports her the next day. So, doctor Agie, what are 165 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: you learning from that fact? What I'm learning is, first 166 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: of all, she's It sounds like she very much sticks 167 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: to a routine, and as soon as that routine was broken, 168 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: it sounds like her fiance put it out there to 169 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: everyone that he possibly could to try to find her. 170 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: Imagine how frantic he must have done, because I mean, Nancy, 171 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: if you can't get in touch with somebody on the 172 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: phone and you're accustomed to herring from them every hour, 173 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: what do you do? Where do you go looking for him? 174 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: So he put it out on social media? I'm sure 175 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: the man was frantic, right, but she had broken her habit, 176 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: and I'll bet he knew. I'll bet he was frantic 177 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: because he knew that something had happened to her. You 178 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: know that's interesting that you said that to you just 179 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: in boardman, I want to talk about routine evidence, not 180 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: evidence that is routine. I'm talking about evidence of routine. 181 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: Her routine was that when she was out ubering, she 182 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: would call in every hour, and when she missed that 183 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: first hour mark at ten pm, he probably shrugged it off. 184 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: But then as he got further and further on, he 185 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: became more and more concerned because she has doctor Angela 186 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: Arnold has just said, has broken with her long standing routine. 187 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely that certainly throws up a bunch of red flags 188 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: for your partner. A lot of us have these type 189 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: of routines. They also helped keep us safe. She was 190 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: checking in every hour and then all of a sudden, 191 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: not all of a sudden, not you know, Alyssa Raymond 192 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: joining us WPXI, Alyssa. When did the fiance actually report 193 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: her missing? I'm not sure of the exact time on Friday, 194 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: f r eleventh, but I do know that even more 195 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: red flags went off when he tried to call her 196 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: again around four am and noticed that her phone went 197 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: to voicemail directly and knew it was turned off. So 198 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: I think that's when he really got concerned. And then 199 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: I don't know the precise time he reported or missing 200 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: to police, but the Facebook post was around seven o'clock 201 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: seven am, seven pm and as many people suspect there 202 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: is an emergency button in most rideshare vehicles, take a 203 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: listen to our fancy KDKA. Entire incident seems to span 204 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: less than a few short miles. It's horrible that one 205 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: of us has gone missing and we have no protection, 206 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: and now we're worried or are we going to be next? 207 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: Uber tells me it's working alongside law enforcement, willing to 208 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,239 Speaker 1: release data like GPS locations, trip information, and billing information 209 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: for any of the passengers in Specuza's back seat that night. 210 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: If there was a barrier between me and them so 211 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: that they can't reach us, it wouldn't even be a concern. 212 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: That person would have never gotten to Christie's camera. They 213 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: would have never gotten to Christie Today. Uber tells me 214 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: that its drivers have access to an emergency button that 215 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: automatically dispatches a call to nine one one operators. They 216 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: also have the Share My Ride feature, which allows their 217 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: friends and family to follow along with their trips throughout 218 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: the duration of their shift. We don't know yet if 219 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: she utilized any of these safety features that night. Allegheny 220 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: County detectives continue to ask for tips, and they want 221 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: to remind the public that you can call and remain anonymous. 222 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: So let me understand how does that work? Do you, 223 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: James Shellnutt? How do you understand that you can Uber 224 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: keep trick with wherever the vehicle is. So here's what happens. 225 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: The Uber drivers have an app on their phone Nancy 226 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: and Uber will actually dispatch them via that app, and 227 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: those drivers generally have to follow the specific directions that 228 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: are given to them by Uber on that GPS app. 229 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: Uber or Uber can then monitor where that driver is 230 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: at based off of that GPS app. Well, I know 231 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: it has to work like that because justin Boardman, when 232 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: I get an Uber or a Left or whatever I'm getting, 233 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: you can see the driver coming toward you and communicate 234 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: with the driver. So if we can do that, I'm 235 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: sure that Uber or Left or whoever the rise her 236 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: company is can say where the vehicle is. Ultimately her 237 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: car is found. Take a listen to our friends at 238 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: w PI XTV. This is the stretch of Rosecrest Drive 239 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: and Monroeville. It's a hilly, winding road that runs between 240 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: woods on both sides. Detectives say Christie never came home 241 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: last Thursday night after she was working as an uber 242 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: driver and gave rides to several people. Two days later, 243 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: police found her car on Fourth Street and Pitt Karen, 244 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: Christie's fiance, who was actively giving updates on social media 245 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: about her disappearance, said her dashkim was removed and her 246 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: purse was left in her car. Prime Stories with Nancy 247 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: Grace to listen Raymond WPX side the way. That stretch 248 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: of the road was described as being very curvy and 249 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: very hilly. Have you seen that stretch of road. I'm 250 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: very familiar with those back roads around the Monroeville area 251 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: as being very hilly, and when you would talk about 252 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: the rural parts of Monroeville, that's where it is. You know. 253 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, and James chillnot if the perp did 254 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: not use the curves and the hills to his benefit 255 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: to pounce when another car and the distance could not 256 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: see them. You know, that's actually a great thought, and 257 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that, but yet as possible. You know, 258 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: some of these people they're not just mean, they're also 259 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: cunning and smart, and they think about this. And I 260 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: don't know the extent of this person's criminal history, even 261 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: if they have one. But yeah, they often think about this, 262 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: and I think that's a grateful one, his quatter possibility 263 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: and then a turn in the case. And remember, all 264 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: this time, while everyone is searching for Christinas, her four 265 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: children are waiting on mom to come home. I mean, 266 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: think about it, dodtre Angela Arnold. Every single day I 267 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: pick up the children from school every day. My husband 268 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: would be glad to, but I don't wanted to. I 269 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: want to. Now, think about it, dodtre Angie. If I 270 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: didn't have arranged for David to pick them up, and 271 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: then he gets the call at five o'clock that the 272 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: children have been waiting all this time and I never 273 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: showed up. You know, Nancy, this is the kind of trauma. 274 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: This will affect these children for the rest of their 275 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: lives because they're always They're always going to question. They're 276 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: going to question what they did the last time they 277 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: saw their mother. They're going to forever question where where 278 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: she was, and that fear of not knowing where she 279 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: has been is going to live inside of them. I mean, 280 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: right there, justin boardman, everyone should know something is wrong. 281 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: If I am not there on time front and center, 282 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: everybody knows something's way wrong. This woman goes overnight without 283 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: checking in. The fiance hears from her at nine pm, 284 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: then everything goes radio song. That is evidence right there, 285 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: don't you agree? I do agree that that is evidence 286 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: right there that something horrible, horrible has happened, that the 287 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: pattern that was well established has just stopped. You know, 288 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: that would be a time possibly, although you know, he 289 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: did have for the small children, so he was probably 290 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: pretty well grounded in the house to go out then 291 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: to go out and look and start searching, or even 292 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: to get on the appolute she was sharing her rides 293 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: with him to go out and take a look. Now, 294 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: explain that app if you don't mind. Well, from what 295 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: I've learned is that they had. Part of the app 296 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: for Uber is that they can share their location with 297 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: a loved one for extra security and comfort. That somebody 298 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: at home, more likely than not, her fiance with nowhere 299 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: she was at all times and where she was driving 300 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: at all times. And I would guess they would probably 301 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: have done that because from what it sounds like is 302 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: the fiance was worried enough that he's the one who 303 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: purchased the camera for the vehicle, He's the one that 304 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: probably installed it to make sure that he was safe, 305 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: So I'm only assuming that they would have shared location 306 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: within the app. Yeah. Yeah, As everyone is frantically looking 307 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: for searching for Christina, her children on Dreya, Drew, Scottie 308 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: and Tore looking for mommy, the case takes a turn. 309 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen to wp x I TV. We just 310 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: worked to confirm the identity of the body found in 311 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: Morova was in fact Chrissina Spakuza, the missing Uber driver. 312 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: And as you said earlier, we did go over to 313 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: her fiance's house. When we arrived, he was standing outside 314 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: next to a neighbor's house. We spoke very briefly and 315 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: he said, right now, he's just asking for privacy at 316 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: this time. Now, I want to walk everyone through what 317 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: we do know in this case is there are a 318 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: lot of moving parts right now. So earlier this afternoon, 319 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: out approximately twelve pm, Alleghany County Police confirmed that a 320 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: woman's body was found on a hillside on rose Crush 321 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: Drive and Moroville. Now on Thursday, social media postings from 322 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: the family as well as her fiance, began to circlate 323 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: that a female Uber driver with a Virginia license plates 324 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: driving a silver Nissan Sentra was missing. Today police located 325 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: that car fitting the description with that uber sticker, and 326 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: now medical examiners have confirmed that it is in fact 327 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: Rosina Spakuza. Straight out to special guests joining us, do 328 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: Catherine at Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner of Erie County. 329 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: You can find her at Nicols City Forensics dot com. 330 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Dr Maloney, thank you again for being with us, Doctor Maloney. 331 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: The body out in the elements for this many days, 332 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: how will that affect determining the cause of death? So 333 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: it really depends on what the weather was like and 334 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: at least I'm actually not too far from Pennsylvania and 335 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: it has been very cold, a very cold winter indeed, 336 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: so there's a possibility that her body may have been frozen. 337 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: There's a possibility there may have been snow on her 338 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: body as well. If her body was frozen, sometimes you 339 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: have to wait up to seventy two hours before you 340 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: can actually perform an autopsy. But the good thing about 341 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: I guess a body freezing is that then that stops 342 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: the decomposition process, so it's easier to evaluate for things 343 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: like injuries. You know, doctor Maloney, I'm so glad that 344 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: you can be calm, cool, and collected right now because 345 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: to you, doctor Angie Arnold, Psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta. 346 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: All I can think, have you ever been so excited 347 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: that somebody is coming to see you, maybe one of 348 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: your children are coming home, that you keep going to 349 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: the door the window looking out. I mean, I remember 350 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: when I was a little girl, I would sit at 351 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: the front window waiting for my mom to get home 352 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: and just looking and Nancy, I think that's a very 353 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: familiar feeling to a lot of people. I think that 354 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: that's something that people can definitely relate to. Yeah, when 355 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: I'm hearing doctor Kathery Maloney describe finding Christina's body and 356 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: maybe it's a good thing if it's frozen, and she's 357 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: absolutely of course she's right. Of course she's right, She's 358 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: always right. But I keep thinking about the fiance. Did 359 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: you hear what was said earlier? When we are arrived there, 360 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: he was standing outside, standing out the yard, waiting, just waiting, 361 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: waiting for somebody to come tell me that tell him 362 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: that she's okay, just waiting for something. Probably had his 363 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: phone in his hand and another phone on the other hand, 364 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: the house phone on the cell phone or two cell phones, 365 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: just waiting, waiting for the news that she was okay, 366 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: And that's not what happened. That's just all I can 367 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: think about when I'm hearing doctor Maloney describe how it's 368 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: a good thing her body may have frozen. But you know, 369 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: but Nancy, that's doctor Maloney's job. Well, I know that. 370 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying she's wrong. I'm saying all this time, 371 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: he's standing in the yard waiting for her to show up. 372 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: The children are inside, probably coming in and out looking 373 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: out the window, waiting for mom, and the whole time 374 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: she's frozen on the side of a hill. But Nancy, 375 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: know whatever, No one ever wants to go there right 376 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: off the bat, do they. Now, that's never anyone's first thought. 377 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: People have to world in a healthy state of denial 378 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: when these kinds of things were going on, to allow 379 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: them to still have hope. So her body is found 380 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: Alyssa Raymond w p XI. Where is her body found? Exactly? 381 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: Her body found on Rosecrest Drive in Monroeville, and that 382 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: is a rural area of Monroeville. They were saying that 383 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: it was back in the woods, about fifty feet away 384 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: from the road, and it was over some it was 385 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: on the other side of shrubs as well as a 386 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: little creek, and then it was in back in the woods, 387 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: about fifty feet off of the road and she was 388 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: laying face down with her COVID masks still on. You know, 389 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: do you? James Schalnutt twenty seven years Metro major case 390 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: also detective, former SWAT now lawyer. I don't understand why 391 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: I took so along. It took like two days to 392 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: find the car. Why if everybody's got a ride ride 393 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: share information and ABRA contract where the car is. What 394 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: took so long? Well, labor contract where the cell phone is. 395 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: But the app is on the cell phone, and I 396 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: don't know that the cell phone was with her, and 397 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: if it was with her, if it was turned on 398 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: or turned off, you know, unless unless you have a 399 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: particular app downloaded on your phone, and there are some 400 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: out there. Then when a phone loses power for through 401 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: its battery or it's turned off, then it's unable to 402 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: be tracked unless it has one of those apps on there. 403 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know that the phone was with her 404 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: or not with her, or if it was still in 405 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: the car. Well, you're right, take a listen to Megan, 406 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Sure kd KA. We now know that Christie Spakuza died 407 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: from a single gunshot wound. Detectives have not yet made 408 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: any arrests or named any suspects, but they are describing 409 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: this investigation as open and active. Someone killed a Turtle 410 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: Creek mother of four, and now Christie's Specoosa's home looks 411 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: like a memorial. I just couldn't sleep as something so 412 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: tragic could happen to a person that was in my 413 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: home in my neighborhood. Specusa last talk to family members 414 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: on Thursday night. Family please for help on social media 415 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: said she texted when leaving this vape shop along William 416 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: Penn Highway in Monroeville, saying she planned to make a 417 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: few trips as an Uber driver. She never returned home 418 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: that night, and her family reported her missing on Friday. 419 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: On Saturday morning, police found her car along Fourth Street 420 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 1: and Pitcairn. Her purse was still inside, but she was missing, 421 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: along with her Uber camera. Then just a few hours later, 422 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: police discovered her body a short distance away in a 423 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: wooded area along Rosecrest Drive in Monroeville. So, whoever did 424 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: this thing new enough to take the Uber camera out 425 00:26:54,920 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: of the car now that is extremely cunning, very cunning. Indeed, 426 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: how safe or dangerous is it to take a ride chair? 427 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: And they're taken every minute in our country? But this 428 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: is not the first time tragedy has struck in an Uber. 429 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: Take a listen, or a lift or one of the 430 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: many many ride chairs there are out there. Take a 431 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 1: listen to our cut fifteen. We don't know who's getting 432 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: earn our cars at all. We don't know the criminal record, 433 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: We don't know anything. Laurie Wretch has been driving for 434 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: Uber for seven years. We love doing this job. She's 435 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: completed more than twelve thousand rides. Genuinely come out here 436 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: daily and work very hard. A former Yellow cab driver, 437 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: she was once proud to work for Uber, but now 438 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: says more must be done to protect workers like her 439 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: from this. Getting trips that say Z or zero or 440 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: potato chip, you know, it makes it unvery uncomfortable. Fake 441 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 1: profile names and piggyback rides when customers use friends account 442 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: or two of the scariest things for Uber drivers because 443 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: they don't know who they're picking up. They're behind us, 444 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 1: so we don't know what they're gonna do. On multiple occasions, 445 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: Lourie says she's been harassed or physically attacked. We need 446 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: protection out here, you know, and riders should have to 447 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: show I d thinking about how defenseless she was to 448 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: Alyssa Raymond joining us wp x I, Christina Specusa was 449 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: out a mother of four at night driving an aberge job. 450 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: Did she have a weapon do we know? But there 451 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: is no indication that she had a weapon on her? 452 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: And where was her cell phone? Alyssa? Her cell phone 453 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: we know was always plugged into the car from her 454 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: cell phone in the charger, because her fiance had said 455 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: that because of the navigation technology and tracking people and 456 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: you just you know how quickly your battery dies. Her 457 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: fiance says, y'all, she always had it plugged in because 458 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: it died so easily. So it was not found in 459 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: her car when her car was found in pitt Karen, 460 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: but someone did find her cell phone along some railroad tracks. Wow, 461 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: this is one cunning killer, Alyssa Raymond, because the killer 462 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: takes not only the camera out of the uber, but 463 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: takes her cell phone and then discards it along railroad tracks. 464 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: That's why the car couldn't be trucked again. It's not 465 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: the first time a ride chair or delivery person has 466 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: been attacked. Take a listen to our cut six A 467 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: k x ast. It's the name Ryan Munsey Ring a 468 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: belle wife and mother of three small children. Ryan Graham 469 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: Monzi was working her Uber Eats delivery job Saturday night 470 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: when she was murdered. Found in the breezeway of the 471 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: Northern Cross Apartments in Haltham City. I believe she was 472 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: delivering food to somebody in that building. The thirty one 473 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: year old did not make it to the customer's door 474 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: before she was killed. A motive isn't being made public 475 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: and more on Ryan. Our cut five A. This is 476 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: Sergeant Eric Peters speaking. We got a call of a 477 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: person that was lying in a breezeway that had had 478 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: obvious signs of trauma. Eric Peters, there's a sergeant with 479 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: the Holtham City Police Department. On Saturday night, emergency responders 480 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: pronounced Ryan dead at this complex where she made a delivery. 481 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: Over the last couple of days, the detectives have been 482 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: working non stop to try to identify a suspect. Right now, 483 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: police will only say she suffered obvious signs of trauma. Well, 484 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: the detectives are kind of holding that close to the 485 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: vest for investigative purposes. So they don't want the actual 486 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: cause of death out there yet, so they're using that 487 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: as an investigative tool at this point. And ironically, exactly 488 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: one month before Ryan Muee, a mother of three, was 489 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: murdered delivering Uber eights, another delivery driver shot that dad. 490 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: And this was in Dallas. Take a listen to our 491 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: cut seven a k x as almost exactly a month 492 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: before Munzie's murder. So my first thing was shock, and 493 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: then my first thought was, oh my god, the community, 494 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: what a loss. Another delivery driver was shot dead, this 495 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: time in West Dallas. Timothy Paul Allen was an independent 496 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: contractor delivering packages for Amazon in his personal car, according 497 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: to family. Dallas police were called to the twenty four 498 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: hundred block of Leith Street on December twenty third and 499 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: found Allen shot and killed in his car. Police say 500 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: he had made a delivery to the nearby Hampton's at 501 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: Lake West Apartments before being murdered. A motive is not 502 00:31:45,760 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: yet known. His killer is also on the loose Prime 503 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. These drivers, Doctor Angela Arnold, are 504 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: really so defenseless. I've got stacks and stacks of examples 505 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: here auber drivers, drivers, pizza delivery, Uber Eights delivery, door dash. 506 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: They're so defenseless. Very often a ploy is used to 507 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: lure someone to a fake address, then they're robbed and 508 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: or shot and or raped. As a matter of fact, 509 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: take a listen to Richard Nye at w TCHR thirteen 510 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: hour cut eleven A. Two witnesses say they saw seventeen 511 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: year old Jalen Billops shoot a Domino's pizza delivery driver 512 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: just after eleven PM on August thirty. First. Court records 513 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: say that Billops ordered pizza with a false name to 514 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: an unoccupied address on sixteenth Street in Lafayette. When Josh 515 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: Unger's arrived with the delivery, Billips and her boyfriend allegedly 516 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: tried to rob him. Investigators believe ungers Must shot and 517 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: killed nineteen year old Alberto Van Meter with a revolver, 518 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: then Billips shot and killed Ungersma with a nine millimeter handgun. 519 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: The team faces multiple felony charges, including three counts of 520 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: murder and armed robbery. The charges hold Billops responsible for 521 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: Angersma killing her boyfriend. Billips made her initial court appearance 522 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: by video and told the magistrate, her family plans to 523 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: hire an attorney. A female attack her gunning down unarmed 524 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: delivery people. I mean, doctor Angela Arnold. It's like you're 525 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: putting your life on the line to take one of 526 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: these jobs, but you are. That's what's so horrible. People 527 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: think that they can make a little extra money doing 528 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: something like this, and that means they need a little 529 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: extra money. And every time they go out they have 530 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: to be worried about if they're being ambushed, if someone 531 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: is going to rob them or kill them. I can't 532 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 1: imagine the scarier thing to have to go out and 533 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: do at night to doctor Captain Maloney joined US Deputy 534 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 1: Chief Medical Examiner in Erie County. Doctor Maloney, she and 535 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Christina's Pecuza died up one bullet wound. 536 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: How long would she have lived after the shot before 537 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: she died? But the gunshot wound was apparently to her head, 538 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: so it entered in the back of the left side 539 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: of the head and then exited out her right cheek. 540 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: I imagine her death would have been relatively rapid because 541 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: of the injuries to the brain. I can only hope, 542 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: so I don't want to think of her lying face 543 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: down in the dirt and being shot. If that's where 544 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: the primary crime scene was, the body could have been 545 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: dragged there, making it a secondary or even tertiary crime 546 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: scene that will find out as the investigation goes on. Meanwhile, 547 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: the news hits the fiance in the family like a 548 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: of bricks. Take a listen to our cut a Onexi 549 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: addressing the murder of his fiance, Christie Spekuza, in a 550 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: statement to Channel eleven, Brandon Marto wrote, I would like 551 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: to thank the entire community for the NonStop outpouring of prayers, 552 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: condolences and donations. My entire family and I would not 553 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: be able to get through this difficult time without support 554 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: from the family, friends, and wonderful neighbors. Specuza, a mother 555 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: of four, was found shot to death along Rose Crest 556 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: Drive in Monroevo Saturday afternoon hours earlier. Her car found 557 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: in nearby Pitt Karen, her purse still in it, the 558 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: dash camera missing. Marto says since then he's been contacted 559 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: by numerous female Uber drivers expressing their condolences and concerns. Quote, 560 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 1: we together agree there are insufficient safety measures in place 561 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: for the drivers and this needs to change, adding I 562 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: don't want to see this happen to someone else's sister, 563 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: daughter or wife. Uber needs to protect its drivers more 564 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: and it starts here with Christie. Then using good old 565 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: fashion Gumshi detective work, police come up with an idea. 566 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at KDKA and our 567 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: cut six. It is an unusual case with many twists 568 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: and turns, but detectives believe that they have their guy. 569 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: They used technology and data like cell phone tracking and 570 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: rider information from Uber, and they say that that led 571 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 1: them directly to the suspect into a key piece of evidence. 572 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: A twenty two year old man's in jail after police 573 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: say he ended his Uber ride with a gun pressed 574 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: to his driver's head. It is unusual, thankfully, doesn't happen 575 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: that often. More times than not, there is a relationship 576 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: between the actor and the victim. But detectives say twenty 577 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: two year old Calvin Crewe didn't know his Uber driver. 578 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: Thirty eight year old Christie Spakuza, a mother of four 579 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: from Turtle Creek, and police say when his attempts to 580 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 1: steal Ermany didn't work, he life an Amazon driver driving 581 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: down in a van, had a little bit of elevation 582 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: to it. Just driving down that roadway, saw saw the 583 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 1: body off to the side of fust I believe off 584 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: the roadway. Her body spotted by an Amazon delivery person 585 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: lying there on the side of a hill, just thrown 586 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,320 Speaker 1: out off the side of the road in the freezing weather. 587 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: And then I want to hear what you think about 588 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 1: that shell nut about the way they tracked down the 589 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: dash cam. Yeah, you know, tracking down the dashcam can 590 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,000 Speaker 1: be done one of two ways, and it depends on 591 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: what type of dashcam is in this vehicle. I don't 592 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: know if that dashcam was a dashcam that was uploaded 593 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: to a cloud server or if it was self contained. 594 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: If it's a cloud server, it would be relatively simple 595 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: to contact the company just hosting this data and in it. 596 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: But if it is a dash cam that is self contained, 597 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: dast an issue in and of itself. We learn more 598 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: about what happened and the last moments of Christina Specusa's life. 599 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: Listen to our cut eleven WTAATV. According to police, and 600 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: the moments before Christina Specuza was killed, she was pleading 601 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: for her life and they say they know this because 602 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: the dash cam inside her uber was recording and they 603 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: watched it all play out. Police say the tracking of 604 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: Calvin Crue began before he got into Christina Specuza's uber 605 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: here along Britain Avenue in pitt Karen at nine fourteenth Thursday, 606 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: February tenth. Police say the uber was ordered by Crewe's 607 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,919 Speaker 1: girlfriend Tanya Mullin at eight fifty three pm and from 608 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: the second crew stepped inside for the ride to Drsham 609 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: Street and Penn Hill's. Police say phones were keeping record 610 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: and Specuza's dash cam was recording during that ride. In 611 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: to get her, says, Becusa begged for her life. They 612 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: say the images on her camera show crew holding a 613 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: gun to her head while she told him come on, 614 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: I have a family. I'm begging you. I have four kids. 615 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: Please take that off me. Before they say crew removed 616 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: the camera. She says, first of all, you've got to 617 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: be choking, and he says it's a gun. She says, 618 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: come on, I have a family. His response, I got 619 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: a family too, now drive Doctor Angela Arnold. She is 620 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: begging for her life in the video, begging for her 621 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: a lot, and he still murders her. So he is 622 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: a cold bloody killerism he Nancy. He has no feeling Nancy. 623 00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,920 Speaker 1: He is a sociopath at dust. I just don't even 624 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: understand how you can put a gun to a human 625 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: being's head or anywhere and kill a human being. And 626 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: this woman is completely deceiptless. He has no feeling Stuessy 627 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: because Nasy she tells him that she is the mother 628 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: of four children. He didn't need to kill her, did he? 629 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: Did you notice, Alyssa Raymond, that he's not the one 630 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: that called for the uber? Didn't he have his girlfriend 631 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: do it? Yes? In the criminal complaint, it says that 632 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: Crewe's girlfriend was the one that called the uber for him, 633 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: and she wasn't even at the house with him, so 634 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: this was her address that Crewe was living there because 635 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: she wasn't there, but she still requested the uber for 636 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: him to pick him up and pick Karen and take 637 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: him to Penn Hills, which would be about a twenty 638 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: minute drive. Well, as far as I'm concerned, she can 639 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: be charged to with felony murder. Take a listen to 640 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:03,280 Speaker 1: our cut. Twelve WT Police say they found the dash 641 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: cam with the SD card inside near a fence along 642 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: Dersham Road at what was to be the end of 643 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,320 Speaker 1: this trip, but they say Spekuza's cell phone was still tracking, 644 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: and according to investigators, it was at the spot in 645 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: Monroeville where her body was found an hour after the 646 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 1: trip began. Police say Spakuza's phone was later found beneath 647 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: the Westinghouse Bridge near the railroad tracks and on it. 648 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: Investigators say several banking and online money transfer apps were open, 649 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: and according to the complaint, at some point during that night, 650 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: Crewe's girlfriend Mallin, who they say ordered the uber, text 651 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: him quote, I am not going to jail if we 652 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: get caught. Police say that interaction is also now under investigation. 653 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: I can't speculate what was in her mind or her 654 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: thought process during those messages, but what I can tell 655 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: you is that the detectives are going through all the 656 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: day from all the phones and tried to make those 657 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 1: connections and in consultation with the District Attorney's office, quote, 658 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going to jail if we get caught. I'm 659 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: not going to jail if we get caught. That is 660 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: why the girlfriend Mullen texts, who we believe to be 661 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: the triggerman, Crewe. You know what tells me? That tells 662 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: me that tells me justin Boardman, that she is on 663 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,920 Speaker 1: the hook for felony murder. The felony being trying to 664 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: rob Christina's Pecusa through her money transfer apps, or to 665 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: rob her of whatever money she had on her. That 666 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: was the plan, and a death occurred. She may not 667 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: have meant for Specusa to be killed, but she was 668 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: part of the underlying felony. What do you make of 669 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: somebody like her, Boardman, You know, absolutely, it makes me sick. 670 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: She certainly is on the hook for the murder. You 671 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: darn right, she is on the hook. Catherine Maloney, I 672 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: gotta ask you a question, doctor Maloney. When you perform 673 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: these autopsies, it would kill me to try cases and 674 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: even report on cases when children were involved. But then 675 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,759 Speaker 1: when I see a mom of four, how do you 676 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: get that out of your head when you go home, 677 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: doctor Maloney? Well, usually, you know, forensic pathologists, we have 678 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 1: pretty good coping mechanisms. Otherwise we can't do the job. 679 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: So you think about your own kids, and you know, exercise, 680 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: eat chocolate, you know, kind of whatever it takes to 681 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: get your head in the right space. I hear you, 682 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: what about it, shall Nut? I mean, I want her 683 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: to go down, Tanya Mullen, both down with the death penalty. 684 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: Four children shall nut. Yeah, put them under the jail, 685 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: you know. Unfortunately the jail the system can't give them 686 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,760 Speaker 1: what they deserve, but they can get the maximum penalty 687 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: that the justice system can give them. And I'm gonna 688 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: tell you something, as she's saying, I'm not going to 689 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 1: go to jail. If we get caught for this, you 690 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: have to be in you have to be doing something 691 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 1: to get caught for She knew she was doing something wrong. 692 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: She's as guilty as he is, totally. He already had 693 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: a firearms violation already. To Elyssa Raymond, what about her? 694 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,319 Speaker 1: Tanya Mullen, Well, I wanted to add that it was 695 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 1: her gun that was used in this case according to 696 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,759 Speaker 1: this criminal. Wrong with these people? So what are her 697 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,040 Speaker 1: charges at this time? No charges have been a file. 698 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 1: What are we waiting on Christmas? Seriously? Why hasn't she 699 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 1: been charged? She's not even in custody, Elyssa my knowledge, 700 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: not at this time and hasn't been announced. I'm not 701 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: going to jail if we get caught. Her words, and 702 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:04,240 Speaker 1: she's steal out walking free. What about him? The devil 703 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:10,240 Speaker 1: Calvin Crewe ALYSSA. Yes, even the Allegheny County Jail based 704 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,320 Speaker 1: in criminal homicide charges, robbery, robbery of a motor vehicle, 705 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,240 Speaker 1: tampering with evidence because when we talk about the gun, 706 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 1: back to the gun, we know that Mullen had purchased it, 707 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: and she did tell police that when they brought her 708 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: into the police department on Monday for questioning, and she 709 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: granted them access to her home to find the gun box, 710 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: which was also missing, and she did not know where 711 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: it went. Oh wow, where could it be? All Right? 712 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure if you asked her or her soon to 713 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: be a criminal defense attorney, they would say that she's 714 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: not guilty and had nothing to do with this. Neither 715 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: hadn't been tried or found guilty yet, we wait as 716 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: justice enfolds, and as we wait, let's just keep those 717 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 1: four little children and that fiancee who was planning a wedding, 718 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: Let's keep them in mind. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, 719 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,