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Speaker 2: But we had this planned and I think it's it's

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Speaker 2: fitting because there's so many things I want to talk

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Speaker 2: about with Danny Parkins. So you know, listen, every four

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Speaker 2: years after we lose in the World Cup, the drum beats.

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Speaker 2: It's our culture, you know, it's our youth movement. But

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Speaker 2: I did think it was kind of instructive that Carli Lloyd, Stuholden,

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Speaker 2: which is, hey, Christian Pulisic, nobody wants to hear about rest.

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Speaker 2: This isn't baseball. You don't have a game tomorrow. We

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Speaker 2: don't want to hear about rest. And I think it's fair,

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Speaker 2: and I'll tell you why. Pulistic's twenty seven. Messi is

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Speaker 2: and you know he hasn't been healthy one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: of the time. We know Polistics not Arling Holland he's

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Speaker 2: up a lot. He's twenty seven, But there is an

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Speaker 2: as condescending from Polistic, like he's above it all, and

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Speaker 2: if you said that in Argentina, the Argentinian press would

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Speaker 2: knock on Polisic is that this is this is different

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Speaker 2: Soccer already faces a little cynicism because of the flopping,

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Speaker 2: like when you come up and say, all right, I

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about rest. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's unfair. I think it's pandering to call that unfair.

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Speaker 2: I think that's very reasonable. International Soccer commentary by Carly

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Speaker 1: Of course, I mean he after the game said that

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Speaker 3: And this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: I am not a twenty four to seven three sixty

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Speaker 1: But you would never catch Messi saying it's just another

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Speaker 1: asking out of both a group stage game and a

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Speaker 1: they did not reach this conclusion on Polisic just because

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Speaker 2: Listen, I've said this about Luka Dantage his reality now

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Speaker 2: it becomes four, that devastatingly great. Trade isn't as great

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Speaker 2: little I would say it's a little precious. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: think sometimes the people that cover soccer for a living,

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Speaker 2: especially the print people New York Times, the Athletic they

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Speaker 2: start pandering. You don't understand soccer. I don't have to

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Speaker 2: be a chef to know the fish is undercooked. I'm

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Speaker 2: be a music critic to know that guy's a hack

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Speaker 2: and that person's great, Like you don't have to be

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Speaker 2: an expert. Pholistic is twenty seven injury prone And to

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Speaker 2: your point, there's a sense he lacks kind of like urgency.

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Speaker 2: There's a certain esthetic and a certain commentary where I

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Speaker 2: feel like, bro, this shit matters like a lot. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean this, this World Cup was so successful, America

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Speaker 2: I've read that several times. This has been a ground

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, it's a that's why you have There's a

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Speaker 1: sometimes like the hottest take is the best take, but

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot here, Like the World Cup

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Speaker 1: has been a huge success. Ratings, attendance. My six year

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Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like he's getting into it, so like growing soccer in America,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff that is happening even without the US

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Speaker 1: stepping forward. I also think the US did make progress

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Speaker 1: Whereas like we've the last now four World Cups that

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Speaker 1: the round of sixteen. Yeah, but in the past we've

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Speaker 1: so a little bit weaker competition. But we kind of

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Speaker 1: when you lose as convincingly as we did to Belgium. Right,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing was are you going to take a

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Speaker 2: Yes, well it's interesting you bring that up. So here

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Speaker 2: are world powers. Yeah, Switzerland once again, fifth sixth straight

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Speaker 2: fourth time they made it to the quarters. Historically respected

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Speaker 2: Morocco is now brilliant federation apparently depths top African nation

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Speaker 2: and then Norway has a superstar Yeah okay, so either

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Speaker 2: best African nation that who beat us out. And I

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Speaker 2: would say this between Casey Keller, you know Tim Howards.

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Speaker 2: We were uniquely weak in goalie. We had an MLS goalie.

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Speaker 2: Our goalies have always been English Premier League Casey European

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Speaker 2: usual goalies in we lose two to one. Yes, we

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Speaker 2: don't give up the second or the third goal, we

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Speaker 2: give up the first. We give up the last. We

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Speaker 2: lose two to one. We're out played. But the sense is, well,

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Speaker 2: if Belgium beat Spain, we're losing to really good people.

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Speaker 2: So A, you're right, there's growth. B look at who

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Speaker 2: ends up in the quarters, the best African nation superpowers.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that should be noted is participation. Remember this, Danny,

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Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know, some of that might be

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Speaker 1: Like we we had four goals? We had four goals

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Speaker 2: This time, it's like, okay, we can score goals.

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Speaker 1: Like if we took Tim Howard and a couple of

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Speaker 3: It's just we don't have the We gotta we got

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Speaker 2: See. I feel better about this because I'd rather say

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Speaker 2: This whole team comes back, probably with three to four

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Tim Reim was too old and too

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Speaker 1: I was reading articles about like projecting the twenty thirty

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Speaker 2: But there are names.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dax McCarty are our first things, first analyst

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Speaker 3: He can't. He came off the bench for them.

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Speaker 1: Weston McKinney is really good for us, but he's been

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Speaker 2: with you, he's really expensive. And the boss at FS

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Speaker 2: one in him. He said he's not that coachable. So

432
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Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is analytics to baseball marginalized

433
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Speaker 2: most managers. What it's doing in the NBA now is

434
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Speaker 2: the Trey Young's and the Jalen Browns. We're conditioned to

435
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 2: think they score twenty eight, they're great, and the data

436
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: now says they don't work for a shoot quickly pass,

437
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: quickly offense. Yeah, I think that there's also you know.

438
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Speaker 1: The the CBA and this it gets confusing. First apron,

439
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: second apron. You know, bird rights. People don't like talking

440
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: about it. But in baseball you do have some owners

441
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: that are willing to just kind of spend over it,

442
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: and if they're willing to pay the tax, they can

443
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Speaker 1: pay it. Basketball doesn't really operate that way. And so

444
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown, I do think is a I think it's

445
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: been a little overstated. He is an excellent basketball player. Yes,

446
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: but if he was making forty million, everybody would want him.

447
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: But because he's going to make fifty five million, people

448
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: are like, eh, we can we can replace that production

449
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: in a different way.

450
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 3: So I think it is.

451
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: It is like, yes, analytically driven, but it's also analytically

452
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Speaker 1: driven relative to the cap, Like that's how you have

453
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Speaker 1: to look at it, Like can we get ninety percent

454
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Speaker 1: of the production for seventy percent of the cost and right,

455
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: which is business? And I think that that is And

456
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: then you add in the personality stuff with him and

457
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Speaker 1: Tatum and all of it that you go in that

458
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Speaker 1: direction and listen, Brad Stevens. I've said it before, I

459
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Speaker 1: will say it again. For my book Pipeline to the Pros,

460
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: we talked to dozens of coaches and executives in the NBA.

461
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Speaker 1: He is maybe, other than theo Epstein, the smartest person

462
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: I've ever talked to in sports media, coach, player, executive.

463
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Speaker 1: He didn't like get the wool pulled over his eyes

464
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: on this one, right, like he got fleeced.

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Speaker 2: No, he didn't, like I don't.

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Speaker 1: I have not spoken to him about this. I haven't

467
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Speaker 1: spoken to him since the book. He's not that kind

468
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Speaker 1: of guy. But like it is a he didn't get fleeced,

469
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Speaker 1: And so I actually came out of this trade thinking

470
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Speaker 1: they actually weren't close to getting you, honest, Like I

471
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: don't like I think that the Bucks used that as

472
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Speaker 1: leverage with Miami to get as much out of that

473
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Speaker 1: deal as they could have possibly wanted. Like, I don't

474
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Speaker 1: think the league viewed Jalen Brown at that contract as

475
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Speaker 1: a supremely valuable basketball talent. And it is fascinating because

476
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Speaker 1: it might be the biggest disconnect Colin that I can

477
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Speaker 1: remember in basketball between media and eye test and watching

478
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Speaker 1: the games and analytics and understanding of the money, because

479
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Speaker 1: the media just voted him sixth per MVP. If you

480
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Speaker 1: would have said to me a month ago top ten

481
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Speaker 1: two way players in basketball, I think Jalen Brown would

482
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Speaker 1: have been on my list, just like removing money from it. Well,

483
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Speaker 1: and now he's traded for Paul George and a couple

484
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Speaker 1: of picks. Is it is a crazy story to wrap

485
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Speaker 1: your head around.

486
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Speaker 2: Well, Joel Embiid one MVP, I would argue pushback that

487
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Speaker 2: he didn't even fit with the Olympic team when you

488
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: put him with winning great players, most of analytically superior,

489
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Speaker 2: Embiid didn't really fit, like so Embiid's the classic. I mean,

490
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Speaker 2: I don't know what his analytics are. Paul George is

491
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Speaker 2: a very good analytic player. I think what's happened with

492
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Speaker 2: the second Apron is everybody chooses one player in Denver,

493
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: it's Jokic, and then what you do is build to

494
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Speaker 2: support his weaknesses. Jokic wasn't a good defensive player. Let's

495
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Speaker 2: get Aaron Gordon from Orlando Athletic springy. Now Gordon has

496
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Speaker 2: sorted do age and have injuries. They probably stuck with

497
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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray a little longer who's not super athletic, but

498
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: they they're like they fit like a glove, right. And

499
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: then in Boston they made a decision. They're like, Okay,

500
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: we're gonna go with one of these guys going forward.

501
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: We can get out of the Paul George contract sooner.

502
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Speaker 2: And he's also not going to get an extension. We're

503
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Speaker 2: not going to get into those talks. And the be

504
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: truth is, if you have to put it next to

505
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: each other, we're into analytics. Tatum is better analytically, the

506
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: coaches feel more strongly about him. We win when a

507
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: usage rate is here with Tatum and Brown is struggling.

508
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 2: You know, he can be a dribble the air out

509
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: of the ballplayer at times and you can't get that

510
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: usage rate. According to the Celtic staff, I mean you're

511
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: seeing stuff now. This is why it's coming out. It's

512
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: leaking the Celtic staff saying, here's the usage rate. We

513
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Speaker 2: win ninety percent of the times. When Tatum has thirty

514
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: three percent usage rate, we struggle to get there when

515
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: Brown's on the floor with him. It really comes down

516
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: to this organization is more formulaic than any and they

517
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: had to make a choice, and they chose the guy

518
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: they probably liked a little more. They felt what it

519
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: was more willing to listen to coaching, and that analytically

520
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: was superior. Yeah.

521
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Speaker 1: Yes, So I need to be very clear. I am

522
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: not shocks that they traded Jalen Brown. The thing that

523
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Speaker 1: is still hard for me to wrap my head around

524
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Speaker 1: is that you could only get Paul George and a

525
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Speaker 1: couple of picks for him. Like that's the part that

526
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Speaker 1: like I would have thought you could have gotten more

527
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: for teams that didn't have a guy like Jason Tatum

528
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Speaker 1: that has some redundancies with Jalen Brown, like that that's

529
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Speaker 1: the thing, Like he did just be the He was

530
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: just the best player on a team that won fifty

531
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Speaker 1: plus games when Tatum missed the whole year.

532
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Speaker 3: He is a finals MVP.

533
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Speaker 1: He does we were talking about polistic, Like he does

534
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Speaker 1: play like you know what I mean, Like he doesn't

535
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: sit games, he doesn't get hurt, he is tough, he

536
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: does give you effort on defense, like all of those things.

537
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Like I just I still am surprised that you weren't

538
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Speaker 1: able to get more for Jalen Brown. But I think

539
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Speaker 1: because of the Apron and the money and all of it.

540
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: More teams are going in that direction. And just to

541
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: bring in another story, like I wouldn't love giving Donovan

542
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: Mitchell the contract that the Cavs just gave him.

543
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Speaker 3: Guy who has.

544
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: Had inconsistent playoff performances, guy who hasn't one big, guy

545
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: who is undersized, guy who has had some injuries, and

546
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay him all of that money, you know,

547
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: into his thirties as an undersized guard.

548
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't love it.

549
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Speaker 1: But my guess is they're like, what other top ten

550
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: player are we going to be able to get? Free

551
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: agency is basically dead. Maybe we'll trade this contract in

552
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: the future, but like we are in the Donovan Mitchell

553
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: business because we have no other path.

554
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: You have to keep our own. That's right, that's right,

555
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: And Harden is not a guy you want to do

556
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: that with. Mobley is probably not a guy you're gonna

557
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: pay that. Whereas the Celtics fault we got two of them, Yeah, right,

558
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: we have, and so we're gonna move the guy that

559
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: the staff decides. I mean you can tell from leaks, Yeah,

560
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: you can tell what gets out how people felt about him,

561
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: Like you can tell coach ability. You know, I was

562
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: thinking about this the I was thinking about this last

563
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Speaker 2: night because, as I said, I got into bed at seven,

564
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Speaker 2: so I did time. It took me a while to

565
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Speaker 2: fall asleep that I thought. You know, I was in

566
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Local for fourteen, ESPN for a decade, Fox for a day.

567
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: I own my own company now, so I've I've seen

568
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff where corporations all the time.

569
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: I've seen it a lot, not on air people, but upstairs,

570
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: like when talented people leave and the CEO of a company,

571
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Speaker 2: whether it was a local, TV, Fox, ESPN or even

572
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 2: at the volume when you move off productive people. And

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Speaker 2: it does come down to some of the stuff that

574
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Speaker 2: you've read leaked with Jalen Brown, Like I was reading

575
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Speaker 2: this stuff and it just it kind of jarred memories.

576
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I sometimes, first of all, companies

577
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: make mistakes and let the wrong person go.

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Speaker 1: That could be, that could be the case case in

579
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Speaker 1: point Colin Coward, whatever the record, but that that is

580
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Speaker 1: that is out there.

581
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Speaker 2: They're like, where was a mistake. That's nice? Well, ESPN

582
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: also let go of Mike Tarico, and I should say

583
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: NBC bought in. But when that happened, I remember calling

584
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Speaker 2: one of the top three people at ESPN. I'm like, you,

585
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: let who going to be who's your lead voice at

586
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: the company. But I don't understand what you're doing. Like

587
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: the NBC came in and you know, paid him a lot,

588
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: but it was like there are times companies I think,

589
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: in my opinion, make mistakes. Of course, so that that's

590
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: if Tatum gets hurt again, you're like, yeah, you made

591
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: a big mistake. Secondly, it usually comes down to these

592
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Speaker 2: are the discussions you hear. Remember when NBC had to

593
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: pick between Letterman and Leno. Bill Carter wrote about this

594
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: at the time of The New York Times. Is that

595
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: Robert Wright ran ge who owned NBC, and he comes

596
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: in the air conditioning's broke the meetings in Florida. He

597
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: walks into the room. It's a great movie, it's a

598
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: great book by Bill Carter, and he asks who's easier

599
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: to work with? Leonardman or Leno. Everybody's like that Leno.

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Speaker 2: Everybody I'm Jayleno right, Like, like Leno won the room.

601
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Speaker 2: He'd gone to NBC affiliates. I even saw him in

602
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: Vegas when I was at an NBC affiliate. Leno played

603
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: the affiliates he played to the advertisers, and the question

604
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: was who's easier to deal with? There are According to

605
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: certain reports out now, they give people felt like, you know,

606
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: the staff worked with Tatum more easily than Jalen Broun.

607
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: I've seen that happen twenty times in my career. That that,

608
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: and and and again, companies make mistakes. If Tatum gets

609
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: hurt again, they made a mistake. But it's sometimes it

610
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: is just yeah, the staff likes him, listens a little better,

611
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is. And so I kind of

612
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: feel like the stories I'm reading coming out is the

613
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: staff chose Tatum, they like Tatum.

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00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Tatum is a Tatum is awesome. Tatatum is

615
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: an awesome.

616
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: Better jump shooter, higher ceiling, more fluid. Yeah.

617
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: And they're like, we won what it was it, fifty

618
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: six game? We won fifty six games with Jalen Brown

619
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Speaker 1: doing it, and now we'll just have Tatum do it,

620
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,719
Speaker 1: and we're going to reallocate that and like they're not

621
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Speaker 1: going to be the same team. They'll they'll have Paul George, Okay, fine,

622
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: they'll have Mike Conley, okay fine, But they also added

623
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson, like one of the best offensive, rebounders, defense.

624
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: Like the whole thing was we need to change our

625
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, our our identity and who we are and

626
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: be more diversified and you know, not do the same

627
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: thing all the time. Well, Mitchell Robinson is going to

628
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: make the Celtics look really different next year, Like they

629
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: should have a fully healthy Tatum, a better backup point guard,

630
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: and one of the best rebounders in the entire sport.

631
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Speaker 1: Like They're probably going to win fifty four games next

632
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: year and be a real threat in the Eastern Conference.

633
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: So I'm not like predicting the demise of the Celtics

634
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: over this at all.

635
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: I just I did this on the show.

636
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 1: But like when it was like Jalen Brown's clearly going

637
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: to get traded, I did some mock trades, you know,

638
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: and I just put them in the trade machine, had

639
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: some fun for thirty minutes, came up with something that

640
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: I liked and put him out there. And it was

641
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: like Jabari Smith, Kevin Durant and a couple of draft

642
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: picks to Houston, And it was like Kawhi Leonard and

643
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: a couple of first round picks and send him to

644
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Speaker 1: the Clippers, and like, send him to Atlanta and give them,

645
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: you know, Nikhil Alexander Walker and Kamenga and Risha Chet

646
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: and some picks. And if you go and you look

647
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: at the comments from people with Celtic clovers.

648
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 3: You're an idiot. You don't know ball like that.

649
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: That's that's fifty cents on the dollar.

650
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: And then they all hated the Paul George trade and

651
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: I was offering way more for Jalen Brown than they got. Like,

652
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: so I think again, Like the surprising thing is Brad

653
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: Stevens does not appear to be an outlier and how

654
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: he views Jalen Brown, like the market says, Jalen Brown

655
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: is nowhere near the sixth best player in basketball, And

656
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: I think that is what a lot of us, myself included, Like,

657
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: I really am still like recalibrating on like because I

658
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: like analytics, I like I like umbers, but I'm pretty

659
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: sure Jalen Brown is better than whatever calculation even with

660
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: his contract that people are are are telling me that

661
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: he's worth.

662
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're all conditioned to think. You know,

663
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: I can remember the pushback I got for years saying

664
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: Carmelo Anthony's over right right, he won't take one step

665
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: back to take a three. He's going to age quickly

666
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: because he's not in great shape. He doesn't care about defense,

667
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: and in the end, that's right. Yeah, he aged quickly.

668
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: He wasn't a winning player. And I've said the same

669
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: thing about Luca. Anybody that's listened to me knows I

670
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: thought the Lakers won the trade. I said, if you'd

671
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: have thrown in Austin Reeves or given me four first

672
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 2: round picks instead of one, right, I would have slept

673
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: on it because my take was back to back years,

674
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: not in great shape. Increasingly, Hurt plays himself into shape

675
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: atrocious defensively. You have to build the right team around him,

676
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis and Max Christy and a pick's not good

677
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: enough Anthony Davis, Max Christie, four first round picks and

678
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Austin Reeves. I probably make that deal like so because Austin,

679
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: because I Austin Reeves. At that time, I didn't feel

680
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: about injuries was an issue. Yeah, So I guess my

681
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 2: whole point is I can remember getting a lot of

682
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: pushback initially on the Luca thing when I said, I

683
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: get the call on him, and I got a ton

684
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: on Carmelo. So we're conditioned to think twenty eight a game.

685
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: That's great. Now it's twenty eight a game. Are you

686
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: giving up twenty four on the other end? And are

687
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: you alienating teammates because you dribble the air out of

688
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: the ball?

689
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: Listen, I think it's fascinating. And you just you mentioned Luca,

690
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about that team too. Like Austin Reeves

691
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: is an incredible offensive player and a great story, right,

692
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: the best undrafted player in terms of money made now

693
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: in the history of the NBA. Right, it's a great story.

694
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's what I would want next

695
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: to Luca, but yes, you want shooting and spacing, no doubt.

696
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: But to me, next to Luca, you want plus defensive

697
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: players at every position, right, every you want you on

698
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: three in D guys like which I know the whole

699
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: league wants three and D guys, but like you want

700
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: like athletic wings next to Luca who can catch and

701
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: shoot the three, because he is going to dribble the

702
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: air out of the ball, like Austin Reeves will catch

703
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: and shoot it. But he's not a plus defensive player.

704
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Walker Kessler is. Walker Kesler's really good. And I get

705
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: that Luca needs a center for the lobs and the

706
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: pick and roll game and all that. Like Walker Kessler move,

707
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: I understood completely, But you are now you have no

708
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: draft picks that you can trade, and two of your

709
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: three highest paid guys are minuses on the defensive end

710
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: of the floor.

711
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: I would be very I'm very, very.

712
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: Skeptical of what the ceiling is for the Lakers with

713
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: that as your construction around Luka.

714
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: Doncic, Okay, I want to end on this. I saw

715
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 2: this was this was interesting and it's a little myopic

716
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: because I love college football and a little provincial. But

717
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve got some pushback because they signed a

718
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 2: deal with the Monster Energy drink. Yeah.

719
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: I saw this on Twitter. I gotta be honest. I

720
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: didn't even click the link because I wasn't one hundred

721
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: search sheriff. It's real, So fill me in on the details.

722
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: Go ahead, So Jersey patches on teams, court logos, field

723
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: markings all over the Big Twelve. Did you see how

724
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: much it cost? Monster Energy? Wasn't only twenty million bucks?

725
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: That's it, twenty million dollars and they're gonna be on

726
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: all jerseys, all courts, all fields. I'm like the Big

727
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: Twelve like that that is. I mean, you should have

728
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: done it for the literally I thought the volume. Maybe

729
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: I would have needed a partner, but we could have

730
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: afforded that.

731
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 4: Like to me, the whole take, I wasn't outraged because

732
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: they sold their soul. I'm outraged because that's I mean,

733
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: if you get a stadium naming rights deal for one stadium,

734
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: you'd be.

735
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: Like twenty million for ten years. I don't know. My

736
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: take is forget selling your soul.

737
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: You gave it away. But how valuable is the Big

738
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: Twelve these days?

739
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

740
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: I mean it's a right. I mean everything has gone

741
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Big ten sec top.

742
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: But look how many times your Jersey's fields and courts

743
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 2: are on television.

744
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: Social I know, So what the Big Twelve? Yeah, I

745
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: get it. I mean you're at Allen Field House a

746
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: lot for KU basketball.

747
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: I love some of these schools, but like what, maybe

748
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Lubbock rings more true and relevant to me than you.

749
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: I I don't know, where would you rank the Big

750
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: Twelve among conferences right now?

751
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: Colin Big ten sec? Because Notre Dame in Miami are

752
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 2: surging in football acc Big Twelve's four.

753
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: Big twelve is four.

754
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: It's just you know, like there's just there's not a

755
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: football power in here, TCU. I don't know it's a

756
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: good basketball I also just it is it struck me

757
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: as low to to be one hundred percent clear. Also

758
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: it struck me as like a little little tacky like

759
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: forget like the patch on the jersey, like that that

760
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: ship is hip? But is it literally like the Monster

761
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: Energy Big Twelve Conference? Like do I have to say?

762
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: Do I have to say that every time I say

763
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: the Big twelve? Like is that welcome back to the

764
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: Monster Energy Big twelve Game of the week? Like is

765
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: that what this is going to be?

766
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: Like that? Just I don't know. It makes my skin crawl.

767
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: Bit no, it does. I you know it. I remember

768
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: the first time I went to a movie theater and

769
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: there was an ad and I thought, all right, well

770
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: there's a rubicon we've crossed. I guess I'll just it's

771
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 2: like I thought that was well popcorn. I guess it.

772
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: You know, twelve movie reviews and an ad. I'll live

773
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: with it. So I know I've gotten used. You know,

774
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: you get you of course you get used to it.

775
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: It's just I just I don't know where on the

776
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: court at the press conferences, on the jerseys I'm fine with.

777
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: But if the conference is the whole conference is sponsored

778
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: by the energy drink, I don't know.

779
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure i'll I'm sure i'll watch Ku Arizona this year.

780
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: Let me throw one more thing at you.

781
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't have much.

782
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: So another story that a story that sort of exploded.

783
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: We can end on this. A story that sort of

784
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: exploded is who gets the next World Cups? And a

785
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: story came out that wants to combine Spanish language, English

786
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: language and combine the next two World Cups together in

787
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 2: one big, massive payment. And it's really interesting because obviously

788
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: Netflix came in and about the Women's World Cup, and

789
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: Fox has hit it out of the park. And this

790
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: is nothing against streamers, but I don't watch, don't. I

791
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: don't love streamers and sports right now. I don't love

792
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: I really don't. I think Amazon's gotten much better than Netflix,

793
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: but I don't love streamers and sports. There is something

794
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: I think the broadcast networks all do a better job.

795
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: It's what they've been doing forever. They understand the kitchen,

796
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: not just the front of the restaurant. The production's excellent.

797
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: There's a feel NFL, Major League Baseball, even when Baseball

798
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: goes from like Fox to like a cable network. Sometimes

799
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: I just don't feel it quite rings as true, It

800
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: doesn't feel as big. But it's interesting because the next

801
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: two World Cups, the time zones change, right, one of

802
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 2: them's in Saudi Arabia, meaning it probably ends once again

803
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: in the Lands in the football season, which is problematic

804
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: for any company, especially ESPN and Fox and NBC. Right, so,

805
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't think NBC is going to be in it

806
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: because of what they spent for the NBA. They're not

807
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: going to be a better It'll be you know, Disney,

808
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: it'll be Fox, it'll be Netflix, that kind of stuff.

809
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: But I thought to myself, let me throw this analogy

810
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: at you. As great as the World Cup is and

811
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: has been, football's family. You wake up with it every day,

812
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: you go to bed every night with it. Football is family.

813
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: World Cups are like the cousin. Every four years, you

814
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: rent a lake house in July, you hang out for

815
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: four weeks. It is awesome. You love your cousins, but

816
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: then they go away. That if I had a choice,

817
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: I would take NFL, college football, Major League Baseball. That that,

818
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: Olympics and the World Cup. And I'm a much bigger

819
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: World Cup fan than the Olympics, but are if you

820
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: had to make a choice as a network president, there

821
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: is something about college and pro football and baseball and

822
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: even and even NBA, like it's family. It's in your

823
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: living room every day or eight ten months out of it.

824
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: One is a little bit the most awesome family member

825
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: you don't see regularly, but god do you miss them

826
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: and you can't wait for it and every time they

827
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: come here like that's the best month I've had in

828
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: four years. I would choose the family, the pro football

829
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: in the house every day over and it would be

830
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: a tough choice because I love the World Cup. Yeah,

831
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: but I do think I'd probably land on the on

832
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 2: the you know, the annual stuff.

833
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't think not a network executive, I don't think

834
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: that that would be much of a debate for an

835
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: America and network executive think you would one hundred percent

836
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: choose the NFL. If the NFL is just like what

837
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: makes this whole thing go round. It's the most watched,

838
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, telecats in America. Every year it's NFL all

839
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: the way. Now this year, obviously the World's Cup will

840
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: crack that code that or that list, but again it's

841
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: not every year, it's it's every four years.

842
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: You know.

843
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: The World Cup is an amazing event, and I think

844
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: if it landed on a streamer, it would be it'd

845
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: be a huge test for them and their ability to

846
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: do it. And my guess is the technology, you know,

847
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: it's just going to keep getting better and better and better.

848
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: Why I would think that a streamer would be like

849
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: a pretty good position to do it is there's not

850
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: a lot of like game overlap. Like what I don't

851
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: like when sports are on streamers is if I want

852
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: to change to another channel or another games, like I

853
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: got a log out of that app and then go

854
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: to my thing like whatever. But like for single standalone events,

855
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: I think that they would be fine with it. But yeah,

856
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: I mean if for an American just through that prism,

857
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: it's clearly behind the three that you mentioned, right, and

858
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: it's probably behind the NBA too, just in terms of

859
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: like volume of games, right, you want, you want, you want,

860
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: quantity of live sports rights for your for your partner,

861
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: I would think it would be behind all of them

862
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: for well. And then the fact that the time zones

863
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: of the game's air in the middle of the night

864
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: and the one in Saudi Arabia that would happen in

865
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: like October.

866
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: Like of course that makes it way less less valid.

867
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: Well, we even see now a day game and a

868
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: night game. The numbers are half like the reality is

869
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: the next two World Cups, the time zones all shift

870
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: and they're problematic for the American consumer.

871
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: I I do love it, though, like I don't. I

872
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: don't want to add any like it's not my money

873
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: to spend. And I've really liked the career and like

874
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: I've loved being like I haven't gotten one ticket to

875
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: one game I haven't gone to, but like I just

876
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: I just like being a part of it, just like

877
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: talking about it and promoting it and having the countdown

878
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: clocks on the show and like feeling like it's a

879
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: big deal to the network. It's been it's been really

880
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: really fun and just from our business, we haven't had

881
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: to talk much NFL Top one hundred list yet, Like

882
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: it's been really nice to have like a thing in

883
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: the football off season that feels big and matters and

884
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: gets ratings and that people care about. I was asking

885
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: my boss the other day about, like how are the

886
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: ratings for these shows, and they're like they're good, like

887
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: really yeah, absolutely, I'm doing I'm doing full hours on

888
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: the World's Cup and everyone's like, yeah, rating was solid,

889
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: rating was strong, rating went up. I'm like, awesome, great,

890
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: let's keep it up.

891
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: No. I think one of the things when you're a

892
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: talk show host that I think about a lot is

893
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: I never wanted to work at the NFL network. Nothing

894
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: against it, no interest. I want to talk about what

895
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: I want to talk about, and there are days I

896
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 2: want to talk about Otani and baseball. I mean their day.

897
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: I've said this before, their days nights. I will choose

898
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: a baseball playoff game over a Monday or a Thursday

899
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: night football game, Like I want to watch a big

900
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: NLCS ALCS World Series game. They're just they're just these

901
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: big brands and it feels really special. Nothing against Thursday

902
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: night football or Monday night football. But I will say

903
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: this is the most fun I've ever had in June.

904
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: I do think this felt different. And when the WNBA

905
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 2: and Caitlin Clark exploded for a year, it doesn't feel

906
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: as big now she was injured, but it gave me

907
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: like twelve segments that were really fascinating. And I've always

908
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: felt like I take big chunks of time off in

909
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: July and August. And the reason is because I feel

910
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: like I'm just making up topics and like this is

911
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: the only June in the last decade where like every

912
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: segment has felt worthwhile, like everything's authentic. I'm interested in

913
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: every topic. That's not to say that I don't love

914
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: the NFL. But in July Camp stories, I got I

915
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: got three hours to fill I got to fill it

916
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: with something.

917
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like I make it. I go back

918
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: and forth the producers all the time. They're like, you know,

919
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: this person said this about this NFL team, and I'm like,

920
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't care. I love the NFL basically

921
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: more than anything, like outside of family, but.

922
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: Like I love it.

923
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: But like this person said that Dak Prescott could throw

924
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: for five thousand yards this year. Do you want to

925
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: do a topic, I'm like, will Dak Brest, I'm like, no,

926
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: I don't like that's I'm much more interested. And I

927
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: get that the NFL is what drives the bus and

928
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: all of those things, and it rates the highest and

929
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: the most people care about it. Again, I'm all for

930
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: every morsel of like real NFL stuff, but not having

931
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 1: to conjure up NFL topics and you know, we'll start

932
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, but we'll be you know,

933
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: camp will be opening soon, and like there'll there will

934
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: be real things to talk about, or at least like

935
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: like normal fake things to talk about, and the will

936
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: take some vacation and then football season will be here.

937
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: I would have the World Cup every year if I good,

938
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: it's been fantastic. Oh no, it's or something like the

939
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: World's Cup. You know, something like the World's cupanies like well,

940
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: because the Olympics, to your point, unless you get a

941
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: Simone Biles Michael Phelps like phenomenon type thing, it's really

942
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: just like it's so splintered that like, yeah, maybe we're

943
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: all rooting for team USA, but we're not all like

944
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: rooting for the same thing. Like there aren't there aren't

945
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: like big events within the World Cup that like drive

946
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: culture and conversation for three or four weeks.

947
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: When you watch soccer crowds, it's a lot of young men,

948
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: it's a lot of sports fans. When you watch the Olympics,

949
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: it does very well with older women who aren't necessarily

950
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: watching to the level of younger men sports. It's a

951
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: lot of human interest stories. It's a lot of you know,

952
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: that's what that's what The Olympics has always been sports.

953
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 2: I don't care about people I don't know, but the

954
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: late Rue Norledge made me care about them. Well, I

955
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: know the United States men's national team because it's the

956
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 2: same guys that were in the last one. They're coming

957
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: back for the next one. And I like watching international

958
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: soccer because it's sports. Like, it's not lose, it's not

959
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: a device, it's the athletes.

960
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a team. It's a team game, you know.

961
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: And I always marvel at the Olympic broadcast. I'm always

962
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: like I don't care, I'm not interested, and then you

963
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: turn it on and within four minutes you're like, I

964
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: really hope the person in lane three wins, like like

965
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: they do an incredible job of like this is the

966
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: human interest story. This is why you should care, this

967
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: is their backstory, and the race starts like it is

968
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: an incredible broadcast.

969
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 3: But I don't have.

970
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Days, weeks, months of like attachment and build up to it.

971
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: It's literally just if I choose to turn on the television,

972
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: which is very different than these team sport events.

973
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, the you know, I always I always kind of

974
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: push back because I think the Fox coverage has been great.

975
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: I pushed back a little bit when and you know

976
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: you'll see the kind of predictable print criticism. Well, it's

977
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 2: very jingoistic, it's very over the top. And my take is,

978
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 2: let's go watch next World Cup Brazilian coverage. I'm guessing

979
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: it's very pro Brazil. Like, guys, if you watch the

980
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: CB seed dur in the Olympics, if you watch NBC

981
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 2: during the Olympics, you wrap your arms around your country.

982
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: It's okay. Like I think the coverage. We have a

983
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: lot of international voices, a lot of British voices. But

984
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: I was really encouraged, Like I really like Carly Lloyd.

985
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: It's do hold an Alexi, like holding Polisic accountable. There

986
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: was no pandering, Like I felt that was really a

987
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: healthy dialogue.

988
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, obviously we both work for Fox, but like,

989
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: I think that it's been really compelling stuff like and

990
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: they got star power and they got people from other

991
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: net I mean Rebecca Rebecca low is awesome, Like like

992
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: I have never met her, never spoken to it. Really

993
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: she is a great studio host who clearly knows everything

994
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: that she's talking about. She's excellent, and so I just

995
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: I think it's been really good. The people on site.

996
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: I like the presentation of like a desk outside the

997
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: stadium and inside. I don't know, I can just like

998
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: in terms of like scene setters of the crowds going

999
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: crazy before they're let in, and then like when you

1000
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: go into the stadium, Like I know you can't do

1001
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: that for every NFL game because there's just so many

1002
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: of them.

1003
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: But I do think they're like, let's put you if

1004
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: it's like Okay.

1005
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: Now I'm in Atlanta, now I'm in Kansas City, now

1006
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm in Seattle.

1007
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: Like, I think it's been great.

1008
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: Can I also defend American fans. I always read this, Oh,

1009
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: the United States standing in Europe is not very good.

1010
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 2: Right now, let me tell you something. American fans have

1011
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: put their arms around Moroccan fans and British fans. We

1012
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: have been really good hosts and they been amazing visitors.

1013
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but they I mean, if I have to

1014
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: read another story like Americans are not liked overseas, Listen,

1015
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: we are good hosts. We love showing people a good time. Listen,

1016
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: we're having a backyard barbecue. Come on over. We'll show

1017
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: you what it tastes like. I think the visiting fans

1018
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: have there's a certain amount of wonderment and just you

1019
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: know our big box retail stores. And I also think

1020
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: our fans have been great. You haven't seen there's no

1021
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: stories about us throwing stuff for being idiots, which you

1022
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: often see in our domestic sports. I think our fans

1023
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: have been I mean, I've been like proud to be

1024
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 2: an American. I love our fans and how they've treated

1025
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 2: all the visibles.

1026
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: I think generally speaking that stuff is like on like

1027
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: a geopolitical level, and then like when you get to

1028
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: like a human being level, we're not that different. Everybody

1029
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: just wants to like have a good time and have

1030
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: healthy kids and you know, raise their famis in a

1031
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: good situation. I live in New York, so I've been

1032
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: around a ton of these World Cup fans. Like Norway

1033
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: fans are a blast. Like I said, I was at

1034
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: a Cubs Mets game hanging out a bunch of Norway fans.

1035
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: They're rowing, they're drinking, they're having a good time, they're

1036
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: asking about baseball, they're doing whatever. They're rowing through Times Square.

1037
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: My wife's family is from Lawrence, Kansas, Uh where Ku

1038
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: is and you know, they were the host for Algeria

1039
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: and like they were doing like instead of Rock Chalk

1040
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: Jayhawk Rock Rock Chalk Algeria the k you hey you banned,

1041
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: like learned the Algerian national anthem and went to their

1042
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: training complex and was playing it for them before practices.

1043
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 3: So it's just like yeah, small towns, big cities.

1044
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: And then the viral videos are hilarious, Like my I

1045
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: think my favorite one is the guy who discovered Popeye's

1046
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: and he's like he's like he's he's like, for six dollars,

1047
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: you get three pieces of chicken and the biscuit and

1048
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: the drink.

1049
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 2: He's like, this is an amazing place. It's just unbelievably warm.

1050
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, this video has nine million views, It's just

1051
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: have nine hundred million. I'm like, that's the greatest piece

1052
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: of content I've ever seen. Uh And so yeah, I

1053
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: think I think I got a human being level.

1054
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: It's it's it's all. It's great. You know, Danny, we

1055
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: always talk about how divided we are and what will

1056
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: bring us together, and once again, it's sports.

1057
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it Listen, there was a there

1058
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: was a healthy amount of like you know, I don't.

1059
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: I don't think with the Balligan decision, I don't think

1060
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: we were tremendously popular amongst some European countries.

1061
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: Let me tell you the var replay and in Egypt

1062
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: right now is not going over right. That might be

1063
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: the thing that brings us together the most. You ate

1064
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 2: va R we ain't v a awesome We all can

1065
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 2: hate it together.

1066
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, listen, man, Sports is a It's a great unifier,

1067
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: right you there. There is something to going to a game,

1068
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: something happening, big goal, big shot, touchdown, big save, whatever,

1069
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: and high fiving a stranger. It is a great sense

1070
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: of community thing like being at Wrigley the Cubs sitting

1071
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: a home run and me turning around in high fiving

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00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: a random person. Is It's an endorphin rush of community

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00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: that I don't get in a ton of other areas

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00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: other than sports. I'm sure that people get it in

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: a different way, but like I do, really like love

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00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: that connection with people.

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00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: Well, I thought we were watching history with MESSI. It

1078
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where you're from, you're watching it. You're going,

1079
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: holy shit, Yeah, this is the greatest soccer player ever.

1080
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: He's in our country. They're down like that. That moment

1081
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 2: I think encapsulates this World Cup. Like I've said, Fox,

1082
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 2: They've gotten some breaks. England's good, Argentina's good like Earling.

1083
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: Holland is our grond, like USA, Mexico, Canada. We're all viable,

1084
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: the stars scoring and Messi's the best player. You're like it.

1085
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: We kind of got We checked a lot of boxes

1086
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: for the Super Bowl.

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00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, other than like one more game from America, if

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: we were going to get really greedy and then and

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00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: then other than that, it would have been. It's been

1090
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: a perfect World Cup for Fox and for storylines. I

1091
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: don't remember I told you this last time, or if

1092
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: it was somewhere else where I made the point, but

1093
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: it's this World's Cup has felt like NFL teams with

1094
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: NBA stars, like the big brands are all winning and

1095
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: performing and playing in good games, like Argentina's been in

1096
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of good games, Spain's been in good games,

1097
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: England's been in good games. But they don't get upset,

1098
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: Like they almost get upset, but then they advanced. We

1099
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: get into like if Cape Verde would have beaten Argentina,

1100
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: it would have been unbelievable. It would have been the

1101
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: biggest upset in the history of the World Cup, but

1102
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: we would have been robbed of more games of Messy.

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00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: So it's like we get the best of both worlds.

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00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: We get this, like like when the two when Cabral

1105
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: scored the second goal for ver Day and he ran

1106
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: into the stands to find his mom and his girlfriend,

1107
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know if he's coming back.

1108
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I think his head

1109
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: exploded from him, because like how shocking that moment was.

1110
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Speaker 3: That is such a great moment.

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00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: But then Argentina is going to play at least two

1112
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: more games, and we get to keep going with Messy.

1113
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: So it's been Imbape Holland Cain Messy. Obviously, it's been

1114
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: It's been amazing. It's been an easy World's Cup to

1115
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: fall for because the stars that you know have been

1116
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: performing and the countries that you care about have been winning.

1117
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: And the games at the perfect times. Yeah, for the

1118
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: United States consumer, and that's not what you're going to

1119
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 2: get in the next two. So it's like, folks, put

1120
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: your arms around it. The next one's not going to

1121
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: get these numbers. Not everybody's going to stay up late.

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00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm listening to British fans. The other day,

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Speaker 2: I listened to a British it was like a British

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00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: host or a British Oh was Ricky Gervais. It's like,

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Speaker 2: bloody hell, it stops at nine point thirty. I watched

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00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: the first half. I went to bed, and I'm like,

1127
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: you're Ricky Gervaise. You don't go to a lug nut

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Speaker 2: factory at eight in the morning. You can watch it.

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Speaker 1: Stay in nap, stay up and watch the game. Honestly, Like,

1130
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, if my kid and I don't like it

1131
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: was so expensive, like I I didn't go to a game.

1132
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I kind of wish I did, but I couldn't justify it.

1133
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: He's he's six. He won't remember it like I went

1134
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: when I was eight and I have like flashpoint memories

1135
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: of it. Like but if he's still really into it,

1136
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: like I'll feel like I'll probably spend the money and

1137
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: fly to Spain, you know, like it's because it is

1138
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,439
Speaker 1: a great thing and so like the next World's Cup.

1139
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: I know the times won't be as ideal, but that's

1140
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: not that Also six hour seven hours from New York,

1141
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: it's fine.

1142
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: And I went to Madrid this last month. I know

1143
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: May late May, I went to Madrid with my son.

1144
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: I will tell you I always thought London was my

1145
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 2: favorite city. It was like a warm London.

1146
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: Madrid people spend is awesome. I love Spain.

1147
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: I best airport I've ever been to. Best food I've

1148
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 2: ever had. It's California without some of the California stuff. Yeah,

1149
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: Like it's it's that climate. There's there's shade and trees.

1150
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: I went to the zoo. It feels like a combination

1151
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: of like like it's San Diego esque, Like it feels

1152
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: like San Diego but not much of a police presence.

1153
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 2: Great public transportation. Nobody eats dinner till nine, you walk

1154
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: home at eleven. Everybody's safe, coffee, wine everywhere. Octopus is unbelievable.

1155
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: Go to Madrid, go to Spain. Hey, I'll tell you.

1156
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: You could sell me on doing a week of shows

1157
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: in Spain during the next World Cup if we had,

1158
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 2: Oh Colin.

1159
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't have that kind of juice, but if you

1160
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: want to, if you want to, I will call, I will,

1161
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: I will do the shows from yeah, you know, and

1162
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 1: I'll buy the ball. You want to do Madrid, you

1163
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: can dispatch me to Barcelona or Seville. I'll be fine.

1164
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: I'll bite that b it for you. If you need

1165
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 3: to be in Madrid, so you'll you'll.

1166
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: You'll do that. You'll do the Sam Sebastian game, the

1167
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: afternoon game.

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01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: No problem, you get prime time. You're Colin Coward. Just

1169
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: let me hang out in Barcelona and do do the

1170
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: noon kicks. That's not a problem. Whatever you need, buddy,

1171
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm there for you.

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01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: Danny, Daddy Parkin's good talking to man.

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Speaker 3: Feel better.