1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: He's The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: your home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: It's a lovely Monday here in Pittsburgh, and well the 5 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 1: Drive is back after multiple weeks at O t as 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: a mini camp, and we're ready to go for the season. 7 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what everybody else's you know, yeah, heckic 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: of time off, you know, we're raring to go, but yes, 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: but I'm taking time off. So we're gonna record, you know, 10 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: a little unorthodox week here and then I'll be back 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: from family bak after O t s and mini camps, 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: which were a blast, and that was very enjoyable. You know, 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: you and I were parked out back there right next 14 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: to the fields three days a week for three three 15 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: weeks straight. Gathered some information, saw some familiar faces, actually 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: saw some football. So you're right. I mean, it's summer, 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: it's a wonderful weather outside that my kids and I'm 18 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: sure everyone listening kids are home from school and it's 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: vacation season for us and the league. So just when 20 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: we were getting warmed up, we gotta kind of put 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: it neutral here for a couple of weeks. Yeah, I'm 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: ready for training camp. Let's roll. Yeah, that's what. I'm 23 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: sure you're the same way. We didn't have this conversation. 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be sure we needed to. But O P. A. 25 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: S in Mini camp made me want to go to latrope. Yeah, 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. You know, I'd like to be 27 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: able to talk about what we're seeing and and do 28 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff and see more of what we're seeing 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of get some momentum going here, 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: but we get all the fringe benefits of being at St. 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Vincent's fun and seeing everybody, and you know obviously, Yeah, well, 32 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: let's let's get down to it here, Matt. Because Bucky 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: Brooks did his scouts notebook on nfl dot Com him 34 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: and he ranked the top fifteen players from what he 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: calls the loaded twenty nineteen NFL Draft class. He says 36 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: pass pass catchers and pass rushers galore in that class, 37 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: and I can't argue with that. So let's let's run 38 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: through his list here. He didn't look at it on purpose. 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm just pulling up the draft. It's his top fifteen. Okay, 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: So the guys he said just missed the list our 41 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Marquise Brown, Okay, c J. Gardner, Johnson. But this is 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: a good class I'm looking at it. Yeah, Drake, Dre 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Green law He's been a good player, not a household name, 44 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: but a quality player. Deonte Johnson misses the list for him, Okay, 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I can understand that on first blush, just 46 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: because the names I'm looking at here, I just want 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: to see who else he puts in there. Yeah, exactly, 48 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: because I mean he's a just about any draft class. 49 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: Deonte's gonna be a top fifteen player after two years, 50 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, Dexter Lawrence, Okay, another quality player. I'm 51 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: sure Giants fans are raised and eyebrow that Eric McCoy quality. Okay, 52 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I put the ante over him though. Ed Oliver, I've 53 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: been in Ed Oliver skeptic. I mean, he's very small, 54 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: he's like to seventy five issues. Do you remember him 55 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: coming out of Houston? He ran like a linebacker and 56 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: his agility drills are like that. And they've had such 57 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: a rotation on the D line that he's kind of 58 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: been forgotten. But I went back and paid some attention 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: to him this past year. He's starting to come on 60 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: for the Bills. So all these d line investments in Buffalo, 61 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: all the high picks von Miller might start to really 62 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: pay off the stuff coming year. Montes Sweat just missed 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: the list. Good player too, Christian Wilkins just missed the list. 64 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I might struggle with that. It's a really 65 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: good player. And Quinnin, Quinn and Williams misses the list. 66 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there's that's a pretty good list, right there, guys. 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: I was just saying a minute, just thinking Christian Wilkins, 68 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams, Dexter Lawrence, and Ed Oliver for defensive tackles 69 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: that any team would kill for. This, lets me be 70 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: it must be pretty good. And just looking at the 71 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: guys in the draft, I have a feeling I'm not 72 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: going to fight him too much because this is a 73 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: really good class. Well, let's let's go ahead and look 74 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: into it. Here he says, those were tough cuts. It's 75 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: just such a loaded group. All right, Let's get to 76 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: the good stuff. And so he goes from fifteen down 77 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: the one here. Okay, okay, I've already got a problem 78 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: with this real quick though, just so Pete our Steeler 79 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: fans realized this was the trade up for Devin Bush 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: year no second round pick because of the trade up, 81 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: and then Deante at sixty six. You know, Bush is 82 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: obviously not going to be in consideration. But some of 83 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: these guys are dudes you missed out on because of 84 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: that trade, of course. But Hunter Renfrew, now I am 85 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: as at Hunter Renfro fan is there is out there? 86 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: But he ate better than Deante Johnson. Yeah, that that's 87 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: interesting because I've never thought of those two even the 88 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: same light. They're not similar at all. I don't know 89 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: that he's better than Marquis Brown, who was on the 90 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: just misslist. Yeah, that's the thought. Deante would be one 91 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: of those three receivers from me, and I know we're 92 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: gonna talk about a lot of receivers to the way 93 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: this class structured. But I was on stand show on Friday, 94 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: and that was the day Renfro signed his new contract, 95 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: and he kind of took me by surprise on the 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: air saying, well, you think Deante is gonna get as 97 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: much as Renfro And I immediately thought, well, he's gonna 98 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: want more than that, you know, And and I'm a 99 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: bigger renfro guy as anyone too, like of these classic 100 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: slot receivers. He might be the best in the league 101 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: right now, but that's what he is. That's all he is, 102 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: right exactly. That's my problem with that. Like he's just 103 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: a slot receiver. Now, he's a really really good slot receiver. 104 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: But he ever's ten yards a catch last year exactly, 105 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: that's his ceiling. I mean, I think I'm pretty much 106 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: nailing this. But if the Raiders had Deonte and Waller, 107 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he trade for Adams, right, you know 108 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah? No, I put it this way, 109 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: if if if the Raiders called and offered the Steelers 110 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: hunter Renfred for Deonte Johnson, the Steelers wouldn't take that trade. No, 111 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean you got to throw in a second round pick, yeah, 112 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: something something good. And he's a very very good player. 113 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: And again I'm a I'm as big. I mean, we 114 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: started him a dozen times last year in our fantasy team. Yeah, 115 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: he said fantasy teams too, because because he was consistently undervalued. 116 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: But he was consistently undervalued for a reason. Yeah, he's 117 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: talking a great big plays and you know his job 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: is easier than Deonte's. Yes, yes. Number fourteen is Josh 119 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: Allen adds Yes, okay, a good one on a better team. 120 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: More people would understand that value. I mean, I think 121 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: you could fight Deonte verse um Alan. He's gonna have 122 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 1: a lot of receivers on this list. I could fight. 123 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: I could fight Alan versus A bunch of guys who 124 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: are on that just miss lists have one good season, 125 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: one really good season, and the other two have been like, 126 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: he's got Christian Wilkins or Quentin Williams to me, are 127 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: clearly a better players. Yeah they are. He's got he's 128 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: got twenty and a half sacks and forty NFL games. Yeah, 129 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: I means good, but he I don't know that puts 130 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: him in this top fifteen. And then the Jags used 131 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: the first overall pick on an edge rusher. Correct, Yeah, 132 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: I mean good player, but special player. Now at thirteen 133 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: is t J. Hawkinson. I'm glad he made the list. 134 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there looking through the first round saying, I 135 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: wonder if Bucky overlooked him because he's, you know, not 136 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: super dynamic, not on a great team, was injured much 137 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: of the second half of last season. But there might 138 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: be four or five tight ends. I would take over 139 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: him going forward. You know, from this point on, I 140 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: think he's a high quality player. Now he's good, really 141 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: good player. Yeah. Number twelve was Rashaan Gary. He came 142 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: on like Gangbusters last year. I mean much like oh way, 143 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 1: you and I didn't love him coming out of school 144 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: because the production was bad at Michigan, but he was 145 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: the top recruit in the country. He was a force 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: for the Packers, and then they didn't hesitate to move 147 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: on from Darius Smith after the year. I mean, Gary's 148 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: a stud in the making, was wrong in the making. 149 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: But I don't know that I could say he's better 150 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: than Quinn and Williams or Christian Wilkinson right now, now 151 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: you tell me which, okay you get, you get your 152 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: pick of these guys to start your team. I'm taking 153 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: one of those big guys. I think I probably would too, 154 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure we'll talk. We keep talking 155 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: about Deante, but the quinnin, Wilkins, Deonte that pretty much 156 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: done it since they've been in the league too, you know, 157 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: so they just broke out, you know, they hit the 158 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: they hit the ground running. Whereas Rashaw and Gary was 159 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: really a rotational player for a few years. Last year 160 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: was really and he had nine and a half sacks 161 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: last year, so let's let's pretend he had sixteen, but 162 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: he could lead the league this year. He's on that 163 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: trajectory of being a star, but again he's climbing. Number 164 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: eleven is Terry McLaurin. Um some news on him today 165 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: and who knows. I mean, this could come from an 166 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: agent that's posturing or whatever, but it affects Theante a 167 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: little bit. Was the quote was the Commanders and McLaurin 168 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: or quote nowhere close to reaching a deal. I mean, 169 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: he's in the same situation as Metcalfe and Deante and 170 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: all the receivers that weren't picked in the first round 171 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: of this draft. And I look at DJ Moore and 172 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: McLaurin as maybe the two guys that have been helped 173 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: the least in terms of quarterback play in their career. 174 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny. I was on the treadmill today 175 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: and I was I forget what I was reading. I'm 176 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: trying to find it, but it doesn't matter. But they 177 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: listed every quarterback that McLaurin has caught a pass from 178 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: in his career, and it's like eight guys and Whence 179 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: is better than all of them by far, you know, 180 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: like it's bad. Well, here's the here's the thing that 181 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: the two to remember with Deonte Johnson his rookie season 182 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: was Duck Hodges and Mason Rudolph. Yeah right, good point. 183 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: You know, so his career numbers when you when you 184 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: look at the three year numbers, that kind of held 185 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: him back a little bit that that first year. There's 186 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: not a doubt in my mind, no doubt. Yeah, that's 187 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: funny you mentioned that because sitting here complaining about mclaurin's 188 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: quarterbacks and late career Ben wasn't exactly Joe Montane either, right, right, right, 189 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: and ended up being a lot of production for Deante. 190 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: But Duck and Rudolph the end of career, Ben isn't 191 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: the best quarterback and you're gonna get yeah right at 192 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: and he has Brian Burns. I really like Brian Burns. 193 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: Get I get that he would probably be tend for 194 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: me to long Lean Bender. Yeah, really good player. Uh 195 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: nine is Elkton Jenkins? Okay, I mean certainly not real 196 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: flashy And some of these names that we've brought up 197 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: to me seemed like they would be more valuable, But 198 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: he is the beauty of Jenkins. Is I mean he 199 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: bumped out and played left tackle last year. As I said, Yeah, 200 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: he's played center, he's played guard. They always lose alignment 201 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: in free agency and then there's another injury and they 202 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: just move him around. He feels the whole and every 203 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: O line coach would love to have this guy. Yeah. 204 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: Eight is Devin White. I have a problem with that. 205 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: I do too, because this is an awesome list. I 206 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: mean most draft classes. If you said Devin White was 207 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: the eighth best player after a few years, okay, you 208 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: know he's he won a super Bowl, he's been His 209 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: highlight tape is awesome. But he makes a lot of 210 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: mistakes too, And I would rather have White than Bush, 211 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: of course. So this guys are gonna be tied forever 212 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: because of what we saw last year from Bush. But 213 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: if Bush went to Tampa and was playing behind Sue 214 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: and Veyl all these years, next and next, David, yeah exactly, 215 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the production would be any different 216 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: and people would overlook some of the mistakes Bushes made too. 217 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: At seven, is dk Metcalf pretty good? Yeah, I mean 218 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: he's a pretty good player, So I'm I'm sitting there 219 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: looking at the draft. As it happened, he was the 220 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: last pick in the second round, right before right before Deonte, 221 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: two picks before Deonte. But the guys that went just 222 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: ahead of them at the receiver position where Andy Isabella, 223 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: Paris Campbell j j R. Sago white Side, Michael Hardman, 224 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: those were the four. What you're saying is mistakes were made. Yes, 225 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: and hey, I'm guilty. Is this as much as any 226 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: other one guy with a scouting background, But sometimes scouting 227 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: is as easy as we're all picking up teams on 228 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: the on the playground at Recess right right, he's faster 229 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: than everyone and he looks like that maybe we should 230 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: just draft him. Yeah. Six is Max Crosby. Yeah, I've 231 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: come around on Crosby. I thought he might be a 232 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: flash in the pan, But like all these pass rush 233 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: metrics and everything you see about him, he gets better 234 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: and better. Vastly underrated athletes, you know, he's He's not 235 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: at Watts level, don't get me wrong, But I think 236 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: we did a pass rush list that was also an 237 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: NFL dot com where Trey Hendrickson ended up being first. Like, 238 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm taking Crosby over Hendrickson. Mean he's disruptive. His it 239 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: just doesn't stop. He just keeps coming, coming coming. Number 240 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: five is A J. Brown. He's great. I mean would 241 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: you take would you take him over metcalf Yes, I 242 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: don't know if I would because of the injury issues 243 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: and say it doesn't practice many Wednesdays and what you're saying, 244 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: less reliable and he's heard. I mean he's banged up 245 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: a lot, a lot, a lot. It really reminds me 246 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: of Julio in many ways. Good to him bad, Yeah. Yeah. 247 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: Four is Jeffrey Simmons. Just tremendous player. Yes, yeah. And 248 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the the DJs papers and those guys all said, you know, 249 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: he would have been a top five pick if it 250 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: wasn't for the injury. And he came out and he 251 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: went nine key, you know, he's a superstar. Number three 252 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: is Deebo Samuel. I like, I mean, boy, do I 253 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: respect his game? I don't know if I take him 254 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: over the d K or a J. Yeah, that's tough. 255 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: That's a tough call. It is a tough call. And 256 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: he's really a unicorn to you know, like if you 257 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: had DK, Metcalfe a J. Brown, you wouldn't use them 258 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: the same way. As Debo or if you asked Debo 259 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: to run a lot of go routes like Metcalfy wouldn't 260 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: do it as well. So they're all great things. Yeah, 261 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: yeah they are. Number two is Nick Bosa utter superstar? 262 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's missed a little time, but I'd 263 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: be tempted to put him one. But I assume Kyler 264 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: Murray's one. Kyler Murray is one see that I have 265 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: a problem with. Not because he's bad. He's very, very good. 266 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: It's just the last eight names to me, and I 267 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: understand quarterbacks are worth more, but those last eight to 268 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: ten names, to me, I'm certain those guys are one 269 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: of the best players at their position. I'm not with Murray. Um. 270 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: We referenced some of these next gen lists have been 271 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: coming out, and he is I think the number one 272 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: deep ball thrower in the league. And that adds up 273 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: with the tape you see. I think his not a situation, 274 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: but his coach holds him back a little. But speaking 275 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: a little, he's tiny, and he's never the same in 276 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: December as he is in September. You know, he always 277 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: seems to take a hit or two and he doesn't 278 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: see the middle of the field super well, and the 279 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: critics of Murray and I tend to agree with this say, 280 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: is he really much better now than the day he 281 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: was drafted? Like I haven't seen the steps forward? I agree? 282 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: I agree. So just as an aside here, I just 283 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: called up the twenty nineteen draft class. That's what I'm 284 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: looking on, and I just clicked on career receptions. Deante 285 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: Johnson's number one with two fifty four, Terry McLaurin, Terry 286 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: mclaurin's second with two mm hm. What's funny to me 287 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: is we we just asked you would rather have Debo, 288 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: A J or d K. I might rather McLaurin than 289 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: all of them. Or Deonte is not far off those 290 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: guys either, you know. So it's it's it's Deonte Johnson 291 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: with two fifty four, Terry McLaurin with two two, DK 292 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: metcalf with two six, and Hunter Renfro with two O eight. 293 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: Those are the only guys who have over two Hunter 294 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: catches thus far. And again I bring up the fact 295 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: that Deonte's rookie year right right right, he had Duck 296 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: Hodges and he had Mason Rudolph throwing him the ball. 297 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: How do you put Hunter Renfroll on that on that 298 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: list ahead of him. No, I don't think you should. 299 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: I don't think you should either, because yards isn't close 300 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: and touchdowns isn't close. Now I'm sure, and again what 301 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: they're asked to do is harder for Johnson. Without question, 302 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: Renfro is great. I mean he really is, like in 303 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: terms of receivers, will be one of my favorite picks. 304 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: I think he would have been my just miss guy 305 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: though he would have been on my just miss list. 306 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: Here the receiving yards. Metcalfe has thirty one, seventy. McLaurin 307 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: has thirty nine. A J. Brown, Deante Johnson sixty four. 308 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: Then it's Deebo Samuel Marquis Brown with three sixty one, 309 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: and Hunter Renfro with two. Actually, Noah Fan has five 310 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: receiving yards. Hawkinson's way down that list. He's been injured 311 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: a fair amount too. Yeah, yeah, interesting, he's that lower 312 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: fans at I actually I am to that's what That's 313 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: what I mentioned. I'm surprised he said. Yeah. He actually 314 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: has a hundred and seventy career catches, which is more 315 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: than Hawkinson. Hm. So I'm also looking at this list, 316 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: of course, at the top down. There's some misses though 317 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: in this class. You know, like you mentioned how we 318 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: just named what twenty guys and we didn't even talk 319 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: about Darnell Savage was really good, really good. How did 320 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: Darnell Savage not make the just missed list? Right? I 321 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: mean he's been a really really really good player. Yeah, 322 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: but just some of these misses though, I mean, just 323 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm just scrolling through the first round. Cleveland Farrell at four. 324 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: We knew that was a mistake when when the pick 325 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: was made, though, Yeah, I mean Bush I think needs 326 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: to be at least mentioned there. Chris Lindstrom of the 327 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: Falcons has not been good. Haskins at fifteen to kill Harry. 328 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: He's the worst of all of them in my opinion, 329 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: because you are the Patriots still in the kill Harry 330 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: in the first round. In that second round, only Marks 331 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: Brown was off the board, yes, and all those other 332 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: guys were still available yep. And not only that, the 333 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 1: Raiders Josh Jacob has been a good player, but they 334 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: had three first round picks, none of which had their 335 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: fifth year option picked up. You know, Jerry Tillery has 336 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: been bad. L J. Collier we all laughed at when 337 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: they made the pick and he's been bad. DeAndre Baker's bad. Oh. Yeah, 338 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's some misses, but that's a really good class. Yeah, 339 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the career touchdowns. It's Metcalfolic twenty nine. 340 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: A J. Brown with Marquis Brown with twenty one. Yeah, 341 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: Deante Johnson with twenty. McLaren was sixteen, and then renfro 342 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: with fifteen. Dawson Knox is next on that list them 343 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: with fourteen. Okay, they get like it's actually not a 344 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: bad tight end class too. No, it's taking that too. 345 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: If Dawson Knox is your third tight end or whatever, 346 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: well you had, you got Foster Moreau in there, you 347 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: got our Smith Jr. You get No. A fans you get, 348 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: you get Hawkinson. And yeah, I mean there's some good, 349 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: some good tight ends there as well. There absolutely is. 350 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: We kind of knew that on Draft day though, because 351 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: the two Iowa guys we knew were gonna be first 352 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: round picks. But then everyone thought it was a big 353 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: drop off after that. I think like it was either 354 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: Irv Smith or Sternburger was the next tight end and 355 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: taken and that was, you know, well after the first two. 356 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: If we just I'm looking here at Pro Football Reference, 357 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: and if you just go by their weighted it's the 358 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: waited care approximate value. They have Kyler Murray at number 359 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: one at forty four, Devin White two at thirty two. 360 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: Then it's A J. Brown at thirty, DK met Calf 361 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: at twenty nine, Deebo Samuel with twenty six, Max Crosby 362 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: at Marquis Brown at twenty four, Daniel Jones at twenty four, 363 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: Nick Bosa at twenty four, Geoffrey Simmons at twenty four. 364 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: Then you have McLaurin and Nette Oliver at twenty three, 365 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 1: and then it's Deonte Johnson at twenty two, Josh Jacobs 366 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: at twenty two, and Elgin Jenkins at twenty two. That's 367 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: basically they're waiting quarterbacks heavily. I mean, yeah, I actually 368 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: feel bad for Daniel Jones because he's had like a 369 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: new coordinator every year, and I think that he could 370 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: have his career rejuvenated, even though I didn't really like 371 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: him coming out of school and thought that was a 372 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: miss at six overall that year. No matter what. But 373 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: you can't tell me he's worth as much as Nick 374 00:21:54,640 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: Bosa and Quinney Williams. That's a little a little bit 375 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: of a stretch, Yeah, a little bit of a stretch there, 376 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: but interesting, Um, if we look at the sack leaders 377 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: that season, Brian Burns actually, yeah, Brian Burns actually leads 378 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: to class with twenty five and a half, have missed 379 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: almost an entire year, has been very productive. Then it's 380 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: Max Crosby with five, Nick Bosa with twenty four and 381 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: a half, Montes Sweat with twenty one, and then finally 382 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: Josh Allen at twenty and a half. Rashard Gary has 383 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: sixteen and a half career sacks. That's, to me is 384 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: why he can't be on that list. I was sinking 385 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: the same thing with Josh Allen. You know, if you're 386 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: he hasn't missed time and he was fourth or fifth 387 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: on that list, and guys like Sweat weren't. And you're right. 388 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Gary is one of the fifteen 389 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: best players break this minute from that class, but in 390 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: terms of body of work, it's not there. Yeah, no, 391 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: I agree. If we look at interceptions, uh A money 392 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: or Ware leads with nine, Okay, he has nine, Darnell 393 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: Savage as eight, Taylor Rap has seven, and then there's 394 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys with five there was Gardener, Johnson, Buyer, Murphy, 395 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: Mike Edwards, one Thornhill, Jimalden or Jamal Deane, and Monty Hooker. 396 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: I say Hooker was I was looking at the skin 397 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: in the mid rounds of some of the hits from 398 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: the you know, and I thought Hooker was one that 399 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: was you're real happy to take it a hundred and 400 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: sixteenth overall and get a quality starting um safety. Same 401 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: with Cary Willis and the Colts that same round. So 402 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we actually one of my favorite players 403 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: in this class was a keen Butler and he was bad, bad, bad. Yeah, Mama, 404 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: let's good class though. It is really good, strong class, 405 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: and uh well, you know, there's a lot to learn 406 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: from those things. You know, like everyone's so psyched about 407 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: this new class because your favorite team got a great player, 408 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: and boy he was two picks ahead of where Mel 409 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: projected him and may be in the workout that way. 410 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: But there's as many misses as hits here. And this 411 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: is a really good class. Yeah. It happens every year. 412 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, even if you get back to that that 413 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven draft that was outstanding, there were 414 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: missus in there. Oh yeah, absolutely so it happens, we're 415 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson. I am 416 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: Dale Lally. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers 417 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this