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Speaker 2: Welcome Back to the Ogs, a Playmaker original presented by DraftKings,

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Speaker 2: and we got a iconic.

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Speaker 3: Guess in here today.

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Speaker 4: Coach.

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Speaker 2: First of all, congratulations on the court. That was unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: It was fun to be at. But I want to

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen. Coach Rally has been involved in thirty

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Speaker 2: four percent of all NBA finals since his rookie season,

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Speaker 2: appearing in nineteen NBA finals in total. I mean, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's unbelievable. Now we know why there's your name's on

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Speaker 1: That's why he's a golf Yeah, you know, but thank you, Mike,

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Speaker 1: you know. I'm nice during the standpoint. You know, I

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was blessed to have the best of

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Speaker 1: But Mike, thank you. You're a part of it, you know,

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Speaker 1: and your Donnas was always part of it. I just

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Speaker 5: I mean, I will say this, you had something to

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Speaker 3: Man scared me a little bit. I'm be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: But you're You're leadership qualities the reason why I respected you,

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Speaker 5: Where did those leadership qualities come from your upbringing?

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Speaker 1: Well, there's always another level to get to, and if

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Speaker 5: It's been going on way before, way back, way before

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Speaker 1: When you sign up for a recurring plan, you're back then,

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Speaker 1: you're back in the two thousands. I remember when you

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Speaker 1: walked in the gym for that tryout in that summer

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Speaker 1: he was smart, he could run, but he was a

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Speaker 3: You know, God damn kill. It ain't that funny.

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Speaker 1: He was there, And and then you had gone to

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Speaker 1: Europe and you came into our summer league for a workout,

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Speaker 1: rookie workout, tryout, and that was it. I saw you

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Speaker 1: and I said, okay, I said, what are we going

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Speaker 1: to do with it? Offer you a contract? And I'll

482
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Speaker 1: never forget you singing this to me. You said, coach,

483
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Speaker 1: you know I like it here. I was raising Miami

484
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Speaker 1: by I go san Antonio. I promised Pop I'd come

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Speaker 1: down for a workout, and I'm going, I said, POPA

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Speaker 1: get him. That'll be it. I'll be gone. He'd be

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Speaker 1: out of here. And you went down did your workout,

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Speaker 1: and then you came back and signed with us. And

489
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: here it is twenty years later. And but the best

490
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Speaker 1: thing for me is when we're in Puerto Rico, and

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Speaker 1: I saved it up for Puerto Rico. We went down there,

492
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Speaker 1: MIC and we're playing in a preseason game down there

493
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Speaker 1: in Puerto Rico. We had a good team because it's

494
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Speaker 1: right after Zo got sick, and I loved that first

495
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Speaker 1: team that we had. But then then we went down

496
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Speaker 1: there and it was Dwayne, it was Karan Butler, it

497
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Speaker 1: was Eddie Jones, Brian Grant, Lamar Odom Okay, pretty good

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Speaker 1: group of young guys to start with. Yeah, And then

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Speaker 1: so I'm announcing the starting lineup and I named Dwayne,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Karn, Brian Grant, and everybody's Lamar starts to take

501
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: one step out there. I said, nope, you did, and

502
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Speaker 1: not because Lamar wasn't a hell of a player. He's

503
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Speaker 1: one of the all time best players, but he would

504
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Speaker 1: be great coming off the bench. And so the day

505
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Speaker 1: that Ud walked into that starting lineup, it's because he

506
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Speaker 1: worked his ass off to get there. I loved that team.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you made the trade that we able to

508
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Speaker 1: make the good shack and win our championship. But you're

509
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Speaker 1: a part of that. Yeah.

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00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 5: So I got to go back to the part about

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Speaker 5: me not being able to shoot. I got to give

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Speaker 5: you credit. Do you remember that day I was in

513
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Speaker 5: the gym shooting and I was ball watching and you

514
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 5: said why with me? He said, why do you keep

515
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 5: looking at the ball right? And I said, because that's

516
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 5: I'm shooting the ball. And he was like, no, keep

517
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Speaker 5: your eye on the basket, right, And that I think

518
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 5: that day. I'm not saying I was ever the greatest shooter.

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Speaker 5: But I think that day made me a capable shooter,

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Speaker 5: a better shooter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and ship fifteen seventeen feet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if the.

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Speaker 3: Wind wasn't blowing at all, Cash, it was cash.

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Speaker 1: Mike was a he was a sniper. You know, he's

525
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: a sniper. And and but you around that fifteen foot area,

526
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: you developed a shot. You told me that absolutely. But

527
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: I was taught that when you shoot the ball, that

528
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: you keep your eye right on the front of the

529
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Speaker 1: rim or the back of the rim, and then you

530
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Speaker 1: just you know, the follow through on the follow through

531
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Speaker 1: is to take your finger or your two indicts and

532
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: you drop them right over the front of the rim.

533
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Speaker 1: And then you say to yourself, I like to get paid.

534
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: I like to get paid. And every time you shoot it,

535
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Speaker 1: I like to get paid. And you know, it gives

536
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Speaker 1: you a positive energy about those shots going in and everything.

537
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: But you made the biggest shots in the fourth quarter

538
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and six when we needed them. Man,

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00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: you two jumpers elbow jumper, corner jumper, and then that

540
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,360
Speaker 1: offensive rebound that you made that help us stave off

541
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Speaker 1: the Mavericks in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you told me that night. Do you remember

543
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 5: what you told me before that game. Yeah, you told

544
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Speaker 5: me I was gonna have a big game, big game.

545
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 5: You told me you don't think about it. You told

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Speaker 5: me to shoot, You're gonna be open, and that you're

547
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Speaker 5: gonna help win.

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Speaker 1: You're never afraid, U d So you know, I know

549
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Speaker 1: when there are players. A coach knows when there are

550
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: players that might be fearful of that moment. You know,

551
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: when you're playing for the title, when you're when you're

552
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: playing for it and you know you got a chance

553
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: to win the championship. Man, that changes player's mentality. Sometimes

554
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: it changes of coaches mentality too. And so you weren't

555
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: afraid to win at the biggest moment, Dwayne wasn't afraid

556
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Speaker 1: to win. All of those players that we had at

557
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: that time, GP wasn't uh, you know, Poe's wasn't you know,

558
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Antoine wasn't. Jay Will, wasn't Jywell a little scattery at times,

559
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, but Shaq wasn't. You weren't. And we ended

560
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: up winning that title. And that was that was the

561
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Speaker 1: first and it was a group of guys that weren't

562
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Speaker 1: afraid to win, and and that was what it's all about, man.

563
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 5: And did you remember telling us that we were going

564
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Speaker 5: to be champs on June twentieth.

565
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Speaker 1: Well, I had to think of something. We just got

566
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Speaker 1: to ask that.

567
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 3: Well, we had just.

568
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Speaker 5: Lost and you said that we're going to be champions

569
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Speaker 5: on and we sit in the locker room like what

570
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 5: did you just see?

571
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: What we saw? You just got to us and you

572
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: said that we're going to be champions on June.

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Speaker 1: You know you always I think coaches have to be

574
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Speaker 1: they have to find a way to plan to seed

575
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Speaker 1: for something that it's positive that's down the road. So

576
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: we got beaten the first two games badly.

577
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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, what am I going to do? I

579
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: know GP at that time was a little bit cantankerous

580
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: in the locker room after the game when I put

581
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Speaker 1: that up on the board, six twenty oh six, and

582
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Speaker 1: I said, well, that's the first day that any team

583
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Speaker 1: can win the championship and we're going to win it

584
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: that day. I said, we're going to win it on

585
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Speaker 1: that date. So I had I just sort of put

586
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Speaker 1: it out there to give you something to think about

587
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Speaker 1: that there's a goal that we can we can do

588
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Speaker 1: this and that's the day we're going to win it.

589
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Speaker 1: And I remember you. Gary was in the back of

590
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Speaker 1: the locker room, and so he said, oh that's great.

591
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: So but Pat, how are you going to help us

592
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Speaker 1: get there? And I said, Gary, and I try to

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Speaker 1: keep it simple, I said, Gary. I said, look it.

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Speaker 1: If you believe in us, and you believe in that date,

595
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Speaker 1: just follow me. Now. I'm going to lead you there.

596
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to take you there. Gary. You know, Gary's

597
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Speaker 1: a little sin call, you know, but but I love him.

598
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: I saw him at the Hall of Fame the other

599
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: night and I don't have it with me right now.

600
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: But he pulled out his fifteen strong card and his

601
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Speaker 1: Warrior card. It's like a credit card that everybody carries.

602
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Speaker 3: You one of the best guys I've played. I'm on

603
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: GP back down. I love about it.

604
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 5: Remember you kicked us out that day we were fighting.

605
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 5: So both of you get because.

606
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Speaker 1: You guys are real. You see, there's guys who fight,

607
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: and there's guys who swing, Yeah, swing and miss, and

608
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: then how many can come and getting in between here

609
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: somewhere or something like that, you know. But anyhow, let

610
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Speaker 1: me let me just you know, we have finished this

611
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: part because I think he asked a very good question

612
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: about you know, how do you get players you know,

613
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Speaker 1: do certain things, and and I made a point about,

614
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, players having to get out of themselves and

615
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: sacrifice and be part of the team and accept their roles.

616
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Speaker 1: It's not easy. Everybody wants to climb that ladder, you

617
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Speaker 1: know they do, and you know, but the most important

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Speaker 1: thing is that you guys allow me a certain you know, power,

619
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Speaker 1: a certain part of me to be able to go

620
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: hard at us, you know, be honest with us. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you didn't mind, as long as you know you thought

622
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I was saying the truth. Now, my truth as a

623
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Speaker 1: head coach, and your truth as a starting power forward,

624
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Speaker 1: Shack's truth as the center, Dwayne, whoever's playing. We all

625
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Speaker 1: have sort of a different truth about us and that

626
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: that's born out of like where we come from, and

627
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Speaker 1: we all get there in a different manner. But once

628
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: we get there and you mix that salad up, it

629
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Speaker 1: all has to come together. And that's the beauty of

630
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Speaker 1: that team. That was the beauty of the Big Three

631
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Speaker 1: and all of those guys coming together too, and it

632
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Speaker 1: and it works, and even teams that that may not

633
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Speaker 1: be championship contenders, we all go in with with very

634
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: positive training camp mental. We're gonna win. We're gonna win,

635
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: and a lot of player we're gonna win nothing. But

636
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: you're going with that mentality you're gonna win, and somewhere

637
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: during the course of the season, you can you believe

638
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Speaker 1: you can win. When you get to the playoffs, you

639
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: can beat anybody. And we proved that, you know. And

640
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Speaker 1: so I've been in that situation a lot of times

641
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Speaker 1: where nobody thought we were gonna win. I always thought

642
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Speaker 1: we would win. I knew these guys would buy in,

643
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: and once they bought into everything, then you got a

644
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Speaker 1: chance to win. And it isn't just because you got

645
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot of talent. And as I said, we've always

646
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Speaker 1: had a lot of talent on those championship teams, but

647
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: we also have had times where we got to the

648
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference finals where we didn't have that much talent

649
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: and it was teamwork. You can win it sometimes you did,

650
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: you know.

651
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean we all when we talk about the

652
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 5: championships that we won, we've all had big moments outside

653
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: of the bigger guys. Yeah, I had my moment, Mike

654
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: had his moment, Shane Battier had his moment, Absolutely Orio

655
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 5: had his moment, Ray Allen had his moment had them. Yeah,

656
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 5: I mean everybody has had their moment. And if you

657
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 5: don't buy in, you not ready for your moment. If

658
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: you're not if you're not four feet in we can

659
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 5: say two feet in. I like to say four feet

660
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 5: If you're not four feet in, then you're not ready

661
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 5: for your moment. I remember me and Shane used to

662
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 5: go back and forth in the playoffs and one series

663
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 5: would be a series for him and one series might

664
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 5: be a series for me. And I had his back

665
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 5: every single time. All right, let's strengthen on a brother,

666
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 5: let's go. It's your time.

667
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: But you like each other, you see, we also had guys,

668
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: you know who liked each other. There are some some

669
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: teams where you know, they can get it done on

670
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: the court and then they get off the court and

671
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: they never see each other. But you guys generally liked

672
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: one another. And I think that's you know, that's really important.

673
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: And so having somebody always uh step up in their

674
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: role and their role might be a certain thing. And

675
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: we leave everything to Dwayne, and we leave everything the shack,

676
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: or you leave everything to you know, somebody else at

677
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: that particular time, Uh, you stepped out of your role

678
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: and and all of a sudden, you played, you know,

679
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: bigger than what your role was. Just like you made

680
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: the point about Shane making six threes in the seventh game,

681
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: and Mike Miller, you know, making that three right in

682
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: front of me while he dropped his shoe, you know,

683
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: and uh, I almost went out on the court and

684
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: got to shoe myself and threw it back at.

685
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: Him and getting himself with that bad ass back.

686
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: I know, he his courageous player, you know, Mike was.

687
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: I had a bad back, so I knew how how

688
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: hard it is. Uh, when you have one that goes out,

689
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: it just spasms up on you and gets so tight

690
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: that I mean, you're taking opioids left and right just

691
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: to loosen it up. I hate to bring that subject up,

692
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: but you know we all have done it. You know,

693
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: to play, you gotta.

694
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: Do what you gotta do to get out there. I'm

695
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: happy you were able to.

696
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 5: I'm happy you touched on the Big Three because as

697
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 5: we talk about sacrifice, I remember that specific summer and

698
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 5: so many teams were and then I just had me

699
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 5: and Dwayne just talk about this the other day. You know,

700
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: so many teams were saving up and gearing up money

701
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: to bring in two superstars r two superstars, and it

702
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 5: was public. Everybody's you know, New York has the opportunity

703
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 5: to bring in two superstars. I think Atlanta had the

704
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 5: opportunity to bring it. With so many teams that had

705
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 5: the opportunity to bring in two superstars, and everybody was

706
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 5: taking these trips around and visiting these organizations, and I

707
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,959
Speaker 5: didn't notice, but Dwayne told me it was never out

708
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: in the public.

709
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: It was never out in the open.

710
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: But then it kind of got to Dwayne and that

711
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 5: Miami has the opportunity to sign three stars. The great

712
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: Andy ellis Burg. We have to give him his flowers absolutely.

713
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: You know. Well, in two thousand and six, you know,

714
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: the year that we won the title was the year

715
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: that Lebron and Dwayne and Chris Bosh all signed their extensions.

716
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: It's not a coincidence. They're all represented by CIA, so

717
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: they're all signed. And then we took the contracts. We

718
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: took a look at the contracts with the options and

719
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and we saw that each one of

720
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: them would be free agents in twenty ten. So I said, Andy, okay,

721
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: we got this three four years from now. I said,

722
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: unless we trade for one of them. I think one

723
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: day we might have an opportunity to have to sit

724
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: at a table with Lebron, with Chris and Dwayne, or

725
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: all three of them. And so from that day on,

726
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: Andy went to work making sure that we would have

727
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: the cap space in you know, twenty ten to sign

728
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: all three of them. And a lot of people said, well,

729
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: the Heat can't sign three of them. The Heat. The

730
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: people forgot that one of them was ours that we had,

731
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, they had bird rights on Dwayne, you know,

732
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: so we could sign him last. And so a lot

733
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: of people didn't think that we were ever going to

734
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: be able to get all three of them. And I

735
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: was confident because look at Lebron was banging his head

736
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: against the wall for seven years in Cleveland and getting

737
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: to the finals, doing everything he could do. They just

738
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: couldn't beat certain teams. You know, at the time, Chris

739
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: was doing the same thing for seven years, beating his

740
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: head against the wall Toronto and playing great and trying

741
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: to win. Dwayne had won one. And so this was

742
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: an opportunity for these players in their prime twenty five,

743
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty seven to come together and then to

744
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: have you and get Mike, you know that first year.

745
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: I still think we should have won the first year.

746
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: But anyhow, you know, I mean, you go back and

747
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: you look at it. But but Andy has been a

748
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: person who not only knows talent, but he you know,

749
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: basketball operations, the operations, you know manual and how you're

750
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: run your organization. Cap you know what's going on today.

751
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: You need somebody a scientific mathematician to understand the cap today.

752
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: But Mandy is great. You know, Andy's great, and he's

753
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: really been so important to me. But that was just

754
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: getting that, getting those three and to have that summer.

755
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: I never forget. That's when the term came out. You know,

756
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Stephen Covey wrote a

757
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: book called First Things First, and so you know, and

758
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: out of that book, the very first line in that

759
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: book was the main thing is to make sure the

760
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: main thing remains the main thing. And so when I

761
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 1: pitched that to Lebron and Leon Rose and Maverick Carter

762
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: and Randy Mims, we're all in the room together trying

763
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: to we're trying to recruit him. That was our pitch.

764
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: And when I said that, Maverick looked at at Lebron

765
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: and whispered to him, like, I know that book it's

766
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: called First Things First. I think Maverick had already read

767
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: the book himself. But it was a great day for us.

768
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, when we got Zo okay,

769
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: and then we got you know, we got PJ and

770
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: Dan Marley and Tim Hardaway. We had that group with

771
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: Keith Askins. Uh, you know that year's right, you know,

772
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: that was the hell of a team. And then we

773
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: got you know, we built that young team, and then

774
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: we got Shack and they get the Big Three. We

775
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: had a really good run, you know, absolute run.

776
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 5: How was it kept so quiet because everybody was all

777
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 5: over the un and nobody was speaking about Miami having three?

778
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: How did you how we knew it? You guys, we

779
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: knew it. Everybody and Dwayne knew it. I said, Dwayne,

780
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: you have the lynchpin here. I said, don't you think

781
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: about going back to Chicago? You know? He said, it's

782
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: not about we're going to give you. We had we

783
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: had forty eight million or whatever it was. Everybody was

784
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: going to get sixteen point six. That's what the max was.

785
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Today they get fifty, but that was a lot back then,

786
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: sixteen point six. So we had enough room for three

787
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: guys and Mike and Uh we had to trade Uh,

788
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: Michael Beasley, And I love Mike. I think Mike with

789
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: you group of guys, you say you would have you

790
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: would have brought him along in a great way. He

791
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: might have loved the team of scoring the buckets, you know.

792
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it.

793
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: But we had we had five guys, uh that we

794
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: could start that team with. Uh. And then we started

795
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: adding a bunch of minimums and stuff like that. But

796
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: it wasn't until we got Shaned and then Ray and

797
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: Chris Anderson and yes bird yeah the bird Man.

798
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 5: Can you talk about how good Chris Bosh was because

799
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 5: I'm I'm we're huge on this podcast about just giving

800
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 5: Chris his flowers.

801
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I don't think people understand.

802
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 5: And I think that the generation behind BAM they get

803
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 5: on my damn nerves. I hate because they made a

804
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 5: comment the other day that Chris Bosh is closer to

805
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 5: Nick Claxton. Then he is, to excuse me, what's the

806
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 5: guy in l A. I'm having a brain freeze, Anthony

807
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: da The generation said that Chris Bosh is closer to

808
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 5: Nick Claxton. No disrespect Nick Claxton. I love your work ethic,

809
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 5: I love I love what you do for your team.

810
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: But they said Chris Bosh is closer to Nick Claxton

811
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 5: then he is to Anthony Davis, and it pissed me off.

812
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 5: I don't think this generation understands how really good of

813
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 5: a basket ball player Chris Bun was.

814
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: You know, he's uh, he's one of a kind. He's

815
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: unique as a seven footer. You know, I remember scouting

816
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: him at Georgia Tech and and you know, knew the

817
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: coach down there and everything. But you know when he

818
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: went to uh uh to Toronto, if you think about him,

819
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: uh was really one of the first proto type you know,

820
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: stretch bigs and could also score inside. Uh incredibly high

821
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Q guy, uh i Q guy and and just a

822
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: great great player. So when when you put a guy

823
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: in that kind of category. And then he comes to

824
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Miami with Lebron and Dwayne and he was the guy.

825
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: The three of them really had some issues. They had

826
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: to deal with those issues, you know, And I talked

827
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: to him, you know, after that first year, and I said,

828
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: you guys got to work this stuff out. You know,

829
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: you can't just have a coach say Okay, you're gonna

830
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: do this. You're gonna do this, and you do that,

831
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: and go do it my way. I said, you're going

832
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: to work this out, and there has to be some,

833
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: as I said, voluntary cooperation on your part that you're

834
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: all going to accept the role. So it was Bron,

835
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: it was Dwayne, and it was Chris, you know. And

836
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: so that's basically how the hierarchy of greatness was. And

837
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: the players accepted that and they were all great players,

838
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: and that was the most important movement for that team

839
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: for those guys that you know, I can remember, you

840
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: know that Boston game. Come on that Boston game when

841
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: when I think, I think it was Paul Pierce drilledwin

842
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: in Lebron's face, took us back to the seventh game. Yeah,

843
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: Lebron went for forty forty five or seventeen or something,

844
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, these guys had incredible games, and

845
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: so Chris, you know, with the big rebounder Ray Allen

846
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: and the big block for Danny Green, you know, and

847
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: Mike going on a run of threes and Shane going

848
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: on a run of threes, and Dwayne being who Dwayne

849
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: is the most fun part of that team for me,

850
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: I loved it because I wasn't coaching at the time.

851
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: But the most fun part of it was was when

852
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: we got out on the break and Dwayne was on

853
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: one wing, Lebron no, and then Dwayne would be throwing

854
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: these lives and then Dwayne would go out of bounds

855
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: like this and Lebron would be dunking it, you know.

856
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: So it reminded me of Showtime in a lot of ways.

857
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: With those three players. Chris, Chris was without a doubt

858
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: if those two players were the real keys. Chris was

859
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: the one that was the straw that stirred the drink

860
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: because he sacrificed the Yeah, he was.

861
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: Welcome back to do it old school.

862
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: We had technical difficulties of an old school guy, but

863
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm back. I have a question for you to coach, yeah,

864
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 2: because I think it's I think it's for us as players,

865
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: but also for fans. You talked about that Dallas series

866
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: and I agree.

867
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: We should have won.

868
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: I thought we should have been a better team. What

869
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: was your mindset going to that? And then again the

870
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: following year, we actually touched on this on the OGS

871
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: a couple of times.

872
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: We had d Wade and we.

873
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: Talked about it as well, you know, we lose that

874
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: and you guys just saying all the time, you know,

875
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: there's winning and there's misery. That was the worst summer

876
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: I've ever had in my life going into it personally.

877
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: But but you come back in there and then you

878
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 2: go to games, your your your backs against the ropes,

879
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: Chris boshes out, we go to Boston. Obviously we end

880
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: up winning. But what was your mindset your patients level

881
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: as as an exec because you put so much into

882
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: this and bought this team together and the expectations were

883
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: so great, what was your mindset that summer as far

884
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: as like patients and understanding because we didn't know you

885
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: do We talked about all the time, you know, we're

886
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: on the chopping block, and.

887
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: We didn't get there that second year.

888
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: You know, no way, because you know, when you put

889
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: together that kind of a team and you're lucky enough

890
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: that everybody said yes to come. And I saw that

891
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: as a dynastic ten year team. That's how I saw

892
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: it and that's what I was hoping for. And and

893
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the talk about the contractual agreements you know that we

894
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: made that. You know, back then you could sign players

895
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: of six years and they could opt out after the

896
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: fourth and so, you know, but we offered were you know,

897
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: five year contracts, which is what we're all we could offer.

898
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: And and but everybody went on the sixth year with

899
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, with the opt out after four and and

900
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: I knew everybody was going to opt out, so I

901
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: got it, you know, But I said, we had four

902
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: years that maybe could go into you know, a ten

903
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: year run here. But after that first year, you know,

904
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: I let everybody just go down the rabbit hole because

905
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: I know how you felt. I remember doing my exit

906
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: meeting with Chris boj and he was sitting there, Chris,

907
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: and I was just finishing up, and then Lebron was

908
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: coming in at noon. And so right at noon, Lebron

909
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: was out there. You know, you had a T shirt on,

910
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: you had you had a do rag on. He came

911
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: in and he just opened the door. I wasn't done

912
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: with Chris, and Lebron walks in and he walks over

913
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: to her. My the window is he's looking at the bay,

914
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: and Chris said, I think I better get out of

915
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: here right now, you know. And I sat down with

916
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Lebron and I looked at him and I saw that

917
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: I saw what Mike was just talking about and I

918
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: saw what you were talking about. I saw something in

919
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: his eyes. I said, I don't think you and I

920
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: really need to talk. You know. You go home, get

921
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: yourself right, you know, really get yourself right, get your

922
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: head right. You get with you know, Chris, you get

923
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: with Dwayne, you get with the guys, and let's come

924
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 1: back next year. I said, We've got a great team

925
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: and so and we dominated you know, those those next

926
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: two years. From that standpoint, and and it really upset

927
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: It didn't upset me, but it hurt me that we

928
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: couldn't keep that team together because I think it was

929
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 1: a five or six championship team. I really do if

930
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: we could have kept them all together and stay healthy.

931
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: From that standpoint, but the nature of the game is

932
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: what it is.

933
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: Coach, you talk about exit interviews, and I've never told

934
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: any about this before, and I've never told you.

935
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: This before, but I was thankful for one.

936
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: You gave me the exit interview after okay see where

937
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: my back was completely gone and I came in there.

938
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: We had an exit interview and I talked to you.

939
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 2: I told you I was thinking about retiring and giving

940
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 2: it up, and you said, don't do it. You gave

941
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 2: us everything for the money I gave you, You gave us everything,

942
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 2: and that kept me going. I kept me motivating because

943
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: I was so frustrated even after winning a championship. So

944
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: I just want to say thank you for that. That

945
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: was unbelievable, especially where I was at mindset wise, my

946
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: health and stuff.

947
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: So I appreciate it seven million years, mad Mike. You know,

948
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: I was saying, you know, he's worth every time. He

949
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: was worth every time, you know, Mike was Mike was like, yeah,

950
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: even though you know he didn't start all the day.

951
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: He was like a glue guy. We had. All those

952
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: guys on the bench were like lou guys. They loved

953
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: being there. That's what I said. I really felt that

954
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: team liked each other. You had fun with each other,

955
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: and as great as you were, you would kick each

956
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: other's ass and practice practice hard, and and and when

957
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: you get on the court against some other teams in

958
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: this league, you know that one year we went twenty

959
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: seven games in a row and thirteen you know, won

960
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: sixty seven games for the season. I mean, that doesn't

961
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: happen unless you got greatness there. And so, Mike, you

962
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: were one of my all time favorites. I wish I

963
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: could have coached you, and you know, but I watched

964
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: your career and I just knew you were going to

965
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: be perfect for this team. And you know, all the

966
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: guys advocated for you. I said, Okay, who are going

967
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: to get next? You know, we made this deal out

968
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: in LA. Finally came to an agreement with everybody, and

969
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: then we had to wait for Lebron do the decision.

970
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: But you know, everybody was saying, we got to get Mike,

971
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: and we gotta get Mike. Mike was the first guy

972
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: we had come to terms with.

973
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: I think you know, I remember that.

974
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: And so once I got Mike money, he took.

975
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: Your noise, You got enough to whip his ass, took

976
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: all my money.

977
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 5: So you said he might have leaked the location because

978
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: d Wade told us the other day that everybody met

979
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 5: in a secret location.

980
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: You just said, LA. Was that where they met at?

981
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: No, that was the first night.

982
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 3: For the secret location meeting.

983
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: I know where it was, Yeah, I know where it was.

984
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: You guys went somewhere up to Lebron's place in Cleveland.

985
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: I think the meet didn't you You had that meeting.

986
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: We did have a meeting in Cleveland.

987
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: That's okay. I couldn't, but it was okay for the

988
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: players to meet. You can do whatever you want to do.

989
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: But I couldn't be in that meeting, but I knew

990
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: you were up there having a discussion about something. Look

991
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: at it was a big deal for you guys, you know,

992
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean, for for Dwayne, for Chris, and for Lebron especially.

993
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, probably the top five, three of

994
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: the top five players in the league at the time,

995
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: and you know, we're going to give up this our

996
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: own personal platform and sacrifice, you know, for the sake

997
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: of a championship, and it might low up in our face.

998
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: You never always, you never know if it's going to work,

999
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: but you know it was. It was just so great,

1000
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: you know that night that you know, Lebron you know,

1001
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: went on with with Jim Gray and and you for

1002
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: the decision. I remember being in South Beach and I

1003
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: was at I was at Red Steakhouse, and then I

1004
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: think Dwayne was down at that Prime or somewhere where else,

1005
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 1: and and I'll never forget when he said I'm taking

1006
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: my talents to South Beach. You could hear the whole place.

1007
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: The city was like that, all of a sudden, everybody's

1008
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: on on the streets, yelling and scream. I went out

1009
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: on the street. I went out on the street, and

1010
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 1: he yelled the street and called Leon Rose on the phone.

1011
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: You know, I never forget.

1012
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: You didn't then, you didn't know until that I knew.

1013
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: Okay, Man, there was no way. There's just no way

1014
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: that that he could go up through. I didn't know,

1015
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: but there was no way that he could go up

1016
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: there and say I'm going to go to like New

1017
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: York or go to Chicago. He could have, but I

1018
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: had a good feeling that that he was going to

1019
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: come to Miami. Yeah, we had a ball.

1020
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: Speaking of that night, coach, Speaking of that night, Coach,

1021
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: we have a segment out here from Morgan and Morgan

1022
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: called the Too Easy Segment. I'm curious because we talked

1023
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: about this again on d Wade's thing as well. When

1024
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 2: when Lebron got on stage to talk about not winning

1025
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: one but not two, Okay, the seventh, all the seventh

1026
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting there and i know I'm about to

1027
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: side with Miami. The next couple of day, They're like,

1028
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: what am I walking into? What was what was your

1029
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 2: mindset when he did that?

1030
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't mind it at all. I mean, I mean,

1031
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: we had we had a packed house, you know, Mike,

1032
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: Mike McCullough, who's who's just a super marketing guy for us,

1033
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: put this whole thing together. You guys coming up on

1034
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: stage and there's smoking, there's fans are going crazy. I mean,

1035
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, those those things don't happen that often in

1036
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: the n b A. And and and to be able

1037
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: to celebrate it before it even starts was you know,

1038
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: it was great. But I don't mind. And I think

1039
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 1: he was kidding, but I don't mind people we'll saying

1040
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: we're going to win. You know, nineteen eighty seven we

1041
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: beat the Celtics. It was the best team that we had.

1042
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: That team then matured in nineteen eighty seven to be

1043
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: and the best they they could be as a team.

1044
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: We won sixty seven games that year and we won

1045
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: the title. And after four championships, I remember saying to

1046
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: the media at the parade, I guarantee that next year

1047
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: we're going to win it again. And I met it.

1048
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: And it's important because for twenty years, nobody's ever gone

1049
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: back to back, and for twenty years, nobody ever wanted

1050
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: to say anything about Okay, what's going to happen next year?

1051
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: And so the reason why I said it, and I

1052
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: thought a lot about it, is that I wanted to

1053
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: put more pressure on that team than they've ever had

1054
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: on them. If you guys think you're as great as

1055
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: you are, you can win back to back titles. You

1056
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: got to do it. And we're not going to write

1057
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: it down as a goal. Okay, we all guarantee we're

1058
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: going to win it, and then we're going to stick

1059
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: it into the drawers so nobody else can. You gotta

1060
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: make it public, but not make it public with a hubris,

1061
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, or an arrogance. No, because we were good.

1062
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: And so I said, and I believe that I wanted

1063
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: to put pressure on them.

1064
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 6: Now.

1065
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: They all got upset, The players got upset. They said,

1066
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: could we just enjoy the summer? Could we go play

1067
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: some golf? Can we go do scuba diving somewhere? And

1068
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: you got to put this kind of pressure on us already,

1069
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: and so I'll never forget. We came back to training

1070
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: camp and uh, and and it happened. You know, they

1071
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 1: were ready, and we ended up going back to back titles.

1072
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: And and so what Lebron was saying that day, we're

1073
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 1: not gonna win one, We're gonna win two, we're gonna

1074
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: win three, we're gonna win four.

1075
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 3: I think we could have and I'm happy you brought

1076
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: up that.

1077
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: If you would have stayed, I think we're.

1078
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely right went to four straight finals one two.

1079
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 5: I'm happy you brought up the Lakers, and I'm happy

1080
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 5: you brought up the Celtics because that rivaly, yeah, yeah,

1081
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 5: one to be a part of, and I think kind

1082
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 5: of translated and we kind of inherited it here somewhere. Okay,

1083
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 5: So you feel the same way, You feel the same

1084
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 5: way I was. Okay, So just because that other night

1085
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 5: I was sick watching Paul and KG walk out with

1086
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 5: that trophy to start the season. I didn't I didn't like. It,

1087
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 5: didn't feel good, My food didn't taste the same. It's

1088
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 5: just just talk about that, that rivalry, and it's a respectful,

1089
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 5: hateful rivalry.

1090
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: It is respect it is very respectful, but.

1091
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 5: It's they pushed us to the limit to find out

1092
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 5: how we are and we push them to find out

1093
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 5: how good that But that's been going on for you

1094
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 5: for a long time.

1095
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: But that's the best of sports. You did that that's

1096
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: that's when it's at its best. When when two teams

1097
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: that are great, that have a tradition and a history

1098
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: and a rivalry where you can have that kind of competition.

1099
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's a kind of competition where that night,

1100
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: if you don't have butter flies, or if you don't

1101
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: throw up for the game or something like that, you're

1102
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: not ready, you know, because you know how important this is.

1103
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: And so look at there's been three dynasties in my

1104
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: mind in this league. Boston in the sixties. Okay, eleven

1105
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 1: and thirteen years for Bill Russell. That's why his numbers

1106
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: hanging in the rafters of every arena in this league

1107
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: because he deserves to be there. And so eleven and

1108
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: thirteen and then the Lakers in a showtime seven trips

1109
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: to the finals, five championships in nine years, and so

1110
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: that was a dynasty. Michael sixty seven years was dynastic,

1111
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: without a doubt. And I don't know if there's one. Now.

1112
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: I think you got you had San Antonio and you

1113
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: got you know, they got the total State went in four,

1114
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: you know. But but you know, when you get to

1115
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: a rivalry like that that becomes so heated you inherit it.

1116
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: And so what happened to us in the eighties, We

1117
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: inherited the six consecutive losses. You know that my great

1118
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: friend Jerry West and elgind Baylor and they lost to

1119
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: the Celtics. Can you imagine, can you even imagine your

1120
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: Nature and Mike your Nature, or Lebron or Dwayne or

1121
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: Chris losing six times in the finals. You would all

1122
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: go psycho somewhere, and you know, I mean, you'd probably

1123
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: spend the rest of your life in the Bahamas at

1124
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: at the heating bar or something like that. But it's hard,

1125
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: and so it's so hard to win, and so that

1126
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: rivalry was created and it was left to us in

1127
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 1: the eighties to settle it. The albatross was shifted from

1128
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: the sixties to the eighties to beat the Celtics, and

1129
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: we beat them two out of three times. And then

1130
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: when I got here to Miami, and it was the

1131
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: same way, you know, when they won in the late

1132
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: two thousands, and then we got the Big Three. That

1133
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: rivalry was incredible with the Big Three and with KG

1134
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: and Paul and Paul and KG as much as they

1135
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: can bust us, you know, they have that kind of

1136
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: respect for us, they won't say it, and and I

1137
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: and I and I and I love that about him,

1138
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: and I love that about us as we're not going

1139
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: to take it from you either, you know. So it's

1140
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great it's a great rivalry.

1141
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean only to this day that you know, Larry

1142
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: Bird and I can actually shake hands and hug one another. Wow.

1143
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: And man, it's great, you know, because it's not personal.

1144
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 1: But he wanted to beat our ass and he wanted

1145
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: to beat their ass. And and but as you get older,

1146
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: it's such a wonderful feeling to see somebody who has

1147
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: aged that you knew was so great as a player,

1148
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: and you had the coach to try to beat him,

1149
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, And and he is always trying to beat you.

1150
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: So see you're like that. Mike's like that. True winners,

1151
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: true champions are like that. They want they want that

1152
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: competitive not hate, but that competitive desire to beat somebody else.

1153
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: And that's that makes that that gives you that d

1154
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: n A.

1155
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 3: So it's hope for me and KG and Paul one day.

1156
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I mean you got to, you know, you

1157
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: stop yelling at each other all the time, then you'll

1158
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: be fine. But I'd love to have the three of you,

1159
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: KG and Paul and you and Dwayne, maybe Mike or

1160
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: whatever have a podcast where you can get after one

1161
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: another without throwing punches. That'd be great. Or sing swinging

1162
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: in that would be an all timer.

1163
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. They's some swinging there. That's what

1164
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 5: some swinging. Well, I'll tell you that.

1165
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: Micha will be there.

1166
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: That's what I got you for you.

1167
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, they're they're hey, coach, go ahead, Mike.

1168
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: No. A couple couple of fan questions that we wanted

1169
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: to make, and I think it makes up because we're

1170
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: talking about the Lakers the Celtics, I mean Heat. So

1171
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: we like to do fan questions out here and we'll

1172
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: make it. We monitored them pretty well in here. But

1173
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 2: there's one that I think is pretty good. It's almost

1174
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: an impossible answer, but if you see your to see

1175
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: where your head's at on it. The question was your Heat?

1176
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: Are your heat teams that you put together versus the

1177
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: Lakers teams that you coach it? Who wins those games?

1178
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 2: Who wins that series?

1179
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 5: Listen before you answer this, you still get together with

1180
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 5: the guys that you played with. I saw it on Instagram.

1181
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 5: You still hang out when you go back, next timer, coach,

1182
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 5: did you know them guys? Take this person.

1183
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: I'll be very honest with you. I think I think

1184
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: the Laker team, the Showtime team of Scott Cooper, Magic Worthy,

1185
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: Kareem Okay, those five guys. It'd be hard for almost

1186
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: any other five to beat them. And I say this

1187
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: because of the greatness of Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He was

1188
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: the one guy that you could not guard. You could

1189
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: double them, but you could not guard him. And so

1190
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: when when everything hit the fan, it was fist up cap.

1191
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: You know he had in his mind you kidding me?

1192
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: And so but it'd be a great series. It'd be

1193
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: a great series. I love it. I'd go seven with it. Yeah,

1194
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: and then I throw it up. Whoever's got the home court,

1195
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, would probably win. But but Mike, that's that's

1196
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: a good question. It's uh. But I love that team.

1197
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: I love my teams here. I love the teams in

1198
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: New York too. That I had those guys, Yeah, that

1199
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: would have been a brutal.

1200
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 5: We didn't get the chance to touch on that. But

1201
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 5: I will say this about those teams. When you talk

1202
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 5: about toughness, Oh, gosh, Mason pat Ewing, John Starks, Harper,

1203
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 5: I mean you.

1204
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: Forgot about xav mc daniel, Anthony Bonner, Okay, Derek Harper, Yes, yeah,

1205
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: I remember the very first my first training camp in

1206
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: New York, and I did. I love Patrick, I love Oak,

1207
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: I love all those you know, Mace, joh On. And

1208
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: so we got our first practice in Charleston, and the

1209
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: day before, Dave Track gets traded for Xamy and McDaniel.

1210
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: So we got out. We got another one, another real

1211
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 1: warrior coming in there. And so I got my practice

1212
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: plan up and I spent a lot of time with

1213
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: the master plan for training camp, and then another you

1214
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: know for that day, and the first drill, I was

1215
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: going to get it out of the way because I

1216
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen. I was going to

1217
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: get it out of the way. And we had a

1218
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: rebounding drill. Block out rebounding drill. Okay, and so X

1219
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: and Mace lined up with each other, and uh, that's it.

1220
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: You already fallen up on the board and there it went. Boy,

1221
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: they were we had. They went from bleacher to bleacher.

1222
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: We're all chasing them, trying to pull them apart and

1223
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: all that stuff and and they landed a few and

1224
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: and and so it was over with. And I brought

1225
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: them all into the middle. You know, I think Pat

1226
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: had you mace and then Oak had you know X

1227
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: and you know and and uh. I said, you guys finish,

1228
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: And they said they were finished. I said, may you finished? Yeah?

1229
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: I finished. I said, X you finished. Yeah. I said,

1230
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: your territories have been declared, right, Okay, yes, they have been.

1231
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: Okay the rest of the year, they were the best teammates, man.

1232
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: And when you put those two guys on the court,

1233
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: are you kidding me?

1234
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 5: I'm happy you brought that up the Knicks because you've

1235
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 5: had the opportunity to coach some of the greatest sinners.

1236
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 3: Yes, now that I think back, whoever.

1237
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 5: Played the game with the greatest starting with Kareem right,

1238
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 5: then we can go to Shaq, then we can go

1239
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 5: to Pat. You right, then we can go to Alonzo.

1240
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 5: And Shaq might say he the best on that list. Yeah,

1241
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 5: he probably gonna say he the best on that list. Strongest,

1242
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 5: damn sure, the strongest. But damn that was my Rushmore centers, right, Yeah.

1243
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: That was That's key to success. Because the game was

1244
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: played differently from the inside out. You had to have

1245
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: a great big man. You just had to unless you

1246
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: had great perimeter guys. Even Boston had Parish and McHale.

1247
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: You got to have great big guys back then. And

1248
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: so to have Kareem, well, first of all, I played

1249
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: with Wilt, you know, so you know, Wilt was the

1250
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: dominant guy, and we won a championship as a team

1251
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: with him. But Kareem and then Pat, you know, and

1252
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: then Zoe. When I came to Miami and we were

1253
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: able to get Zoe that first month, I said, I

1254
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: knew we were going to win because he was the

1255
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: pivotal player. Then we got Tim, you know, Then we

1256
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: got PJ. Then we got Dan, We had Keith on

1257
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: the team. You know, we had a hell of a

1258
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: team and uh but then you cannot win without a center,

1259
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: and so I was lucky to have him. And you're right,

1260
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: those four guys could be on you know, Mount Rushmore,

1261
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: you know beautiful. Yeah, they were there. They're special. Now

1262
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: you need three point shooters fifty or sixty. Mike can

1263
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: make a comeback right now, I mean, ye spot up shooting. Yeah.

1264
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: Anyway, he definitely get a.

1265
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: Coach you talk about, Oh yeah, coach, you know, I

1266
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't deal with him. Speaking of speaking of pivot, I

1267
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: don't speaking of pivot pieces and additions. Another fan question

1268
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: and three point shooting. Yeah, another good fan question, thinking

1269
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 2: what was the feeling, What was the feeling like when

1270
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 2: you required Ray, required Ray and got Ray and.

1271
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 3: From from Boston twenty twelve.

1272
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: It was a big get for us. Yeah, it was

1273
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: a big, big get Mike, and uh, after getting Shane

1274
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: the year before, and even the thought that Ray with

1275
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: Boston would come, you know, that was a hard sell

1276
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: and so we didn't over sell Ray on it. We

1277
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: just sort of let Ray make his decision. Uh, And

1278
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: when he came, that obviously upset you know, you know,

1279
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: Kevin and Paul from that standpoint. But that was I

1280
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: think the magnificant last get for that team to win

1281
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: back to back titles. And to this day, as you know, Mike,

1282
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: you made the inbound pay. I don't know why the

1283
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: inbound pass came to Lebron for the three, but it did.

1284
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: He got one up and then you got another rebound.

1285
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: You got it back to Lebron and he took another three,

1286
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: and Chris got the rebound to Ray. And the beautiful

1287
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: thing about Ray Allen and he used to do these drills.

1288
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: He used to show us these drills, and I was amazed.

1289
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 1: He'd fall on the floor, get up, go backwards and

1290
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: make threes. And that's the same thing he did that day.

1291
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: He backed up and when the ball was in the air.

1292
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this from a fundamental standpoint. I'm watching

1293
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: he's backing up. I saw he's gonna step out of bounds.

1294
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: He's backing up and he lands both of his toes

1295
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 1: right behind the three point line. His heels were already

1296
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: off the floor, and when he caught it, he just

1297
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: rose and there's nothing but that and that gold in

1298
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: that gold rope. They took it right out of there.

1299
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: He said, get them, get that.

1300
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: But Ray was was a significant get and you can't.

1301
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: You got to keep re energizing the Big three with

1302
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: with other players that can help them win.

1303
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 5: To that was that was a huge pickup. That was

1304
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 5: a huge pickup. I will say this before before we

1305
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 5: move on what they asked with Ray.

1306
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: We didn't want to use that language.

1307
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't need Ray.

1308
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 5: We beat them the year before when they had Ray.

1309
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 5: That's all I'm saying. Let's just make that.

1310
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: Clip like we players work it out.

1311
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 5: Okay, Ray came to us, but we won the year

1312
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 5: before when they had Ray, so we we needed Ready

1313
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 5: to get over the championship.

1314
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 3: We didn't need Ready to beat they.

1315
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: Ass They won their title with Ray and then we

1316
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: got them, and then then we won our title with

1317
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: Ray down here and Ray was you know, I mean

1318
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: one of the great things about having Ray here. We

1319
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: had that galla down at Ray's house and we had

1320
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: boys the men come. I love I love those gallas

1321
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: and stuff.

1322
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 3: They had a compound kind of like yoursn't Mike's.

1323
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, compound. Yeah, that's what we know about that alligators

1324
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: in there.

1325
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, coach, Yeah, Coach. I think the one thing

1326
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 2: that gets miss mislooked on that too is I think

1327
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 2: you talked about adding Shane and and Birdman and then

1328
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: Ray even like on championship teams that you touched on

1329
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: a little bit like making making players uncomfortable and bringing

1330
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 2: those types of because it keeps it keeps that locker room.

1331
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's a challenge because everybody still wants to

1332
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 2: play and want to do stuff. I think that's one

1333
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: of the things that championship teams really need to lock

1334
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 2: in on when they're building. They're trying to build longevities.

1335
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: Keep adding these pieces make people uncomfortable in there. I

1336
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: think every time he walks them in there, it's like, yeah,

1337
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 2: welcome to the family, but we're still fighting for our

1338
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: jobs or stuff like that. You know, I thought that

1339
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,560
Speaker 2: was something that was mislooked.

1340
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: Well, I think players have to have that mentality themselves.

1341
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, with the exception of the very few who

1342
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: know they're locked in, a lot of the players are

1343
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,759
Speaker 1: always sort of on the cusp of not knowing or knowing.

1344
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 1: I know that continuity and keeping the best players together

1345
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: for a long period of time and then adding something

1346
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: in to refreshing it or to make even better is important.

1347
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: And yeah, so if it's something I never intended to

1348
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: try to make people feel uncomfortable by doing that. I

1349
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: just tried to, along with Eric and along with Andy

1350
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: and everybody involved, is what piece can we add this

1351
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: year that can help them? What piece you know, you

1352
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: mentioned Richard Lewis, and you know, and he's a hell

1353
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: of a player and it was his prime year to

1354
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: be able to come in and help us. And so

1355
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: that's the only thing about you know, my dismay is

1356
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: that if we could have got by that fourth year

1357
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 1: and then got into eight years that this could have been,

1358
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of run that the Lakers had

1359
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: and the Celtics had, and Mike, lad you know that standpoint.

1360
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: So no intention to try to make you guys feel uncomfortable, Mike,

1361
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: because that comes with the competition, and that's how you

1362
01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: guys feel about it.

1363
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: I mean, the one thing you did do is you coach.

1364
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

1365
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I will tell you this and this is

1366
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 3: what I'm gonna touch with.

1367
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 5: We loved it because the guys like myself and Mike

1368
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 5: and Rashad Lewis and Shane and the guys that weren't

1369
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 5: necessarily going to play a majority of minutes, we will

1370
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 5: be upstairs playing two on two, three on three, full court,

1371
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 5: kicking each other's ass.

1372
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: Just preparing to get our minutes. Well you know that

1373
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 3: was the environment.

1374
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but it's so you guys are unique players.

1375
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that because you're here and Mike's

1376
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: there and you're a part of this team. But the

1377
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: winners and the competitors in this league, they want to

1378
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: be coached. And the one thing that I could do

1379
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: as a coach And the one thing that Spoe did

1380
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: as a coach is even though guys are in great condition,

1381
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: and they always said, oh, we got to go down

1382
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 1: to Miami and we have to be in great shape.

1383
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: There's a certain level that a player himself can get

1384
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: two condition wise, but there's also another level that a

1385
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,799
Speaker 1: coach can push them to to a better level of condition,

1386
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: not just physically but mentally, and then that's going to

1387
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: raise your efficiency as a player. You can't play in

1388
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: this league unless you're in great shape. You can't be

1389
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: efficient at your game unless you're in great shape. And

1390
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: the people who know that the most in the fourth

1391
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: quarter are.

1392
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 3: Who the people that's in great shape?

1393
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: No, the people that you're playing against, the team you're

1394
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: playing against, is that you mean to tell me they're

1395
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: still coming? They're still coming. And so that is sort

1396
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: of how I looked at it. So players got to

1397
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: want to be coached hard. They got to believe in

1398
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: the sincerity of the coach and or the president that

1399
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,679
Speaker 1: I don't want you to win just because I want

1400
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 1: to get something out of it. Yeah, we want the

1401
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: franchise to win, but I want you to get out

1402
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: of the game what you desire. I really do. And

1403
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: you know it as well as I do. You do

1404
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 1: that unless a coach is competent, or a president's competent,

1405
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: or a player is competent, you're not going to believe them.

1406
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: So if somebody's trying to teach you something that you

1407
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: know that this guy is not good enough, you're not

1408
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna play for him. You're not gonna trust them, you know.

1409
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: But if somebody who's competent, they can teach you and

1410
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 1: you become better and you see yourself improve, then you

1411
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: play for that guy. And the last thing that I

1412
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to that is reliability. I

1413
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: couldn't guarantee you reliability because this is a business, you

1414
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I mean, trading players is hard

1415
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: for me. It's part of the business. Free agents, you know,

1416
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: they go to other places, and that's the world we

1417
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: live in today. But you got to have those first two.

1418
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: You gotta be sincere, you gotta be confident, and you've

1419
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: got to be as reliable as you can. And one

1420
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: of the proudest things that I am I feel for

1421
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 1: about and is that there's at least eight or nine

1422
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: or ten players that are working for the Heat that

1423
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: used to play for us, and they're working for the

1424
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: heat and I see them every day and and I

1425
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: love that.

1426
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 3: Part of family.

1427
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 5: Brotherhood. Yeah, all that stuff, real family. You got another fan.

1428
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 2: Question, killer, I got a question myself.

1429
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of got a question question more of

1430
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 3: a statement. Yeah.

1431
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: We I don't know if you guys talked about this

1432
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: while I was off, but we talked about an off

1433
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 2: camera that first training camp. Let's touch on that if

1434
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: you already haven't touched on that first training camp and

1435
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 2: how special that was when we were up to up

1436
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:26,080
Speaker 2: to the base.

1437
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: Well, when I thought about it, you know, and had

1438
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: a long conversation with Eric about it. You know, I

1439
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:45,759
Speaker 1: have a tremendous respect and feeling for you know, the military. Okay,

1440
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: come on, man, the military. You know special opsh We

1441
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: have a program in Miami called fifteen Strong. I have

1442
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,480
Speaker 1: a special place in my heart for the real dedicated

1443
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: please officers. You know, I'm a law and order guy.

1444
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all as to it, but I had

1445
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 1: so much respect for the military and had spent time

1446
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: with a lot of veterans. In two thousand and six,

1447
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: after we won the championship, that's where we developed the

1448
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: whole concept of Home Strong, which is to honor and

1449
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:26,480
Speaker 1: to recognize every single night at a game. You know, veterans,

1450
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: wounded veterans, gold Star families, you know, you know the

1451
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: guys who who put it on the line. I mean

1452
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: they go and they and for real, they're they're shooting

1453
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: bullets at people and they are the best. So when

1454
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: we talked about training camp, I said, you know, let's

1455
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: think about taking them to a nice military base. And

1456
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 1: you know Fort Egglin up there in the Panhandle. We

1457
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: made a great deal with him, and I really thought

1458
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: it was good. I thought it was good for us.

1459
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: Just the connotation that you're going to military base is

1460
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 1: that it's work. These are committed people. Having breakfast with

1461
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: the with the soldiers and the special forces was great

1462
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a very productive training camp, Mike.

1463
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: But the spirit of it was that we were with

1464
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: we're with the military. I remember one year when I

1465
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: was vying for the Olympic coaching job in starting Jerry

1466
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: Clangelo and I loved Jerry to death. They played for

1467
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: him in Phoenix back in nineteen seventy five. Now he

1468
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: was in charge of the Olympic team. Myself, Mike Krushewsky

1469
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: and Pop and you know, I had my interview with

1470
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: Jerry and he had me pick out the top twenty

1471
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: five players that he thought should be on the Olympic team,

1472
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: and he was going to pick out twenty five and

1473
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: so we compared our list and we're off one day.

1474
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: So we really had a meeting of the minds. And

1475
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: then he asked me, so where do you think we

1476
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: should practice? And I said, well, I think we should

1477
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: take them rock Afghanistan. We should go to every military

1478
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: base weekend in this world and get ready for the Olympics,

1479
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, and get into the spirit of this country

1480
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 1: and all that stuff.

1481
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:12,240
Speaker 3: I think.

1482
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: No, they wanted to go to Vegas. Wanted to go

1483
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: to Vegas, Vegas. This is a marketing thing. But I

1484
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: cat him about that all the time. But that's that's

1485
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: what my head was. My head is in that kind

1486
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: of work ethic, that kind of commitment, that kind of

1487
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: man that would would serve his country, you know. And

1488
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: you've had family members in the police department and how

1489
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: committed they are to doing the right thing. So we

1490
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: had a great time up there, Mike. You know, I

1491
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: loved going up there.

1492
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 5: I really think that training come set the tone, you know,

1493
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 5: for just the guys, you know, and our mindset and

1494
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 5: how are we going to approach the season? And they

1495
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 5: really did because at that time it was like, you know,

1496
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 5: I know how good Chris Bosh is. I've seen it,

1497
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 5: but let's see it. Let's see it. I see it

1498
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 5: every day. I'm going to push you, Chrisian You're gonna

1499
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 5: push me.

1500
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 3: Lebron. I know how good you are doing. I know

1501
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 3: how good you.

1502
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 5: Are, but let's see it, and let's see it every day.

1503
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 5: And I think that just really set the tone for

1504
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 5: that group.

1505
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 1: And you have to do that. I think as a coach,

1506
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: you've you've got to you know, you can't be foolish

1507
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: with it. I didn't want to take you to Disneyland.

1508
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna take it to the Bahamas and make this

1509
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: like a vacation. I said, it's gonna be hard. You know.

1510
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: First of all, you guys can make hard look easy.

1511
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: And uh and so just that that whole bonding thing. Uh,

1512
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: it's important to get a new team off the off

1513
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: to a good start night. I think the players appreciate it.

1514
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 3: Definitely, definitely, definitely killer you.

1515
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: Ready well, coach, Uh we you know you spend a

1516
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,520
Speaker 2: lot of time. We appreciate you spend this time, you.

1517
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 3: Coach.

1518
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 5: I know there's a lot of bullshit and you might

1519
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 5: not agree with it. The Winning Time show, I you

1520
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 5: feel about that show?

1521
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: Oh, the TV show?

1522
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, the TV show because it was something else on

1523
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 5: Hulu that was more accurate to the reality of the Lakers,

1524
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 5: and I think it really had you speaking and interviewed

1525
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 5: you and really the thing on yeah, the one on Hulu.

1526
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 3: I watched both. I watched the one on Hulu which

1527
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:16,480
Speaker 3: was more of a documentary.

1528
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 5: It was more I think the team was involved, the

1529
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 5: guys were involved. It was more narrated heavily and involved

1530
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 5: with what you guys. And then you had the HBO

1531
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 5: part of things. So how did you really feel about that?

1532
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 5: Because I know that wasn't as accurate as you most

1533
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 5: guys would say or think.

1534
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: No, the HBO, you know, program of Winning Time. I

1535
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: would say it was probably fifty to fifty, you know,

1536
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: fifty you know, theatrical and fifty with some truth. The

1537
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: characters were over the top. If they got one character right,

1538
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: maybe mine was right, you know, Agriy and Brody was

1539
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 1: he was a little off. He was a little unhinged,

1540
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: you know, and so at times. But but it really

1541
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: did a disservice to you know, to that team and

1542
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: especially to Jerry West. Jerry West was nothing like they portrayed,

1543
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: even though the actor is great. But every dynasty. If

1544
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: you go back to the Celtics and the sixties and

1545
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: you read you know, Bill Russell's book The Second Win,

1546
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: and he talks about all the things in that decade,

1547
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, it was eye opening. And you can talk

1548
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: about the Showtime Warriors, you know, in you know, in

1549
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: the eighties and Michael's teams. You just have to listen

1550
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: to the last dance and see how much conflict there is.

1551
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: There's always conflict. It's never a smooth ride. And so

1552
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: I would say in the eighties, you know, we had

1553
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: a great ride because we had the same mentality of

1554
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: players that we had with the Big Three, and I

1555
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: think with the Heat in general is those guys really

1556
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 1: liked each other, shared the same kind of music. You know,

1557
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: all the wise were part of it, significant others. And

1558
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 1: while there was some some some days where things were

1559
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: swept under the rug, and some real arguments and some disagreements,

1560
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: and you know that happens in families, and so we

1561
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: kept it close to the vest, really kept it tight.

1562
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: And but to answer your question, you know, the show

1563
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: was entertaining for people to watch, but there was it

1564
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: was a lot of half truths in it, and I'm

1565
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:31,879
Speaker 1: glad it's it's stopped.

1566
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 5: I wanted to get a chance to speak your truth

1567
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 5: on that. And the last thing before I go, I

1568
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,639
Speaker 5: can't get out of here without asking you the greatness

1569
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 5: of spoke. Yeah, considered, even though they coached me like

1570
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 5: a brother to me, did you see it?

1571
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: Did you see the greatness?

1572
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: Well, you know, look at it. It was a hard decision,

1573
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: you know when I left, you know, because there were

1574
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: a couple of guys there that were with me since

1575
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: the beginning. And and one of the things as a

1576
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: code wh that I never liked to do is meet

1577
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: I didn't like to meet his coaches. We would meet

1578
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: and plan training camp and all of that stuff. I

1579
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: would do all the practices, and so I didn't need

1580
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: to meet. I wanted all the coaches, you know, after

1581
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: a game, to watch the film and then to write

1582
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: down their notes and slide them under my door. And

1583
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: then I would take their notes and I would I

1584
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 1: compile their notes and I'd put them into my practice

1585
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 1: plan and everything. But I wasn't a big meeting guy

1586
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 1: because when you get in coaches meetings, you start arguing

1587
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: about another, you know. And I appreciate people's opinions, you know,

1588
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: so I want them written down. I want to get

1589
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: into an argument with them. And so I'm always trying

1590
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: to find my piece, you know. At five am in

1591
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: the morning, you know, I got I got twenty four

1592
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: donut holes from Duncan Doe. It's in a big eighteen gulp,

1593
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, eighteen ounce gulp coffee. And I got a

1594
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: little light shining on my desk, and I'm writing my

1595
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,840
Speaker 1: practice plan over and over and over again. And and

1596
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: Spo used to and I'd see the blue cards come

1597
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: under my door, and I'd read all of the coaches

1598
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: and every year, suppose comments got better, better, deeper, you know,

1599
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: more smarter, higher basketball IQ. I mean, the questions he

1600
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: was asking and the points he were bringing up. I said,

1601
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: this guy's got something going for him. When you're staring

1602
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: at a video of games, you know, for fifteen years,

1603
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: and you watch every aspect of what's going on on

1604
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: the court, then you have a reservoir of knowledge and

1605
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 1: so you know when I decided that Spoe would and

1606
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: I said to Mickey, I said, I think Eric could

1607
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: be a good guy to do this, and let's go

1608
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: with it. It also was going to be two years where

1609
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: Dwayne was going to be MVP. We still had you,

1610
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 1: we had V's and so he had two playoff years

1611
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: and he got us in the playoffs two years in

1612
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: a row, and he was growing, and you guys were

1613
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: pulling Spoel as players just like you know, Kareem and

1614
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: Magic and Worthy pulled me along until I got my

1615
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: feet under myself in nineteen eighty four eighty five, and

1616
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: then the Big Three kame Was he ready for the

1617
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: Big Three? That was what I said when we got

1618
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: the Big Three, and that first year, you know, from

1619
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 1: that standpoint, he was ready for then. So those two

1620
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: years of apprenticeship, I think, you know, got him ready

1621
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: for the Big Three. And he's just turned out to

1622
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: be a great coach, a great communicator, and he's have

1623
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: a generation now that he understands and I think you

1624
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 1: have to today to understand the nature of the contemporary player.

1625
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: I hate to use that. It's almost insulting to players

1626
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: to say you're a contemporary player. What does that mean?

1627
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: Does that mean I'm soft because I wasn't a tough

1628
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 1: guy back in the nineties or the eighties. And no,

1629
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 1: you've just been educated differently. You've been taught differently. You know,

1630
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 1: there's an Internet, there's there's social media, there's talk. You know,

1631
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: why does Nick Saban and why does Dick Bennett? You know?

1632
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: Or why do all these great coaches now leave college football?

1633
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: It's interesting what Saban said he address Congress and about

1634
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: NIL and the portal and what's going on in college basketball,

1635
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,680
Speaker 1: college football and everything. And he said, you know, I

1636
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 1: came in as a coach, and I really believe this

1637
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: as a coach, is that when I got a player,

1638
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: I wanted him to leave the university finished, as a

1639
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 1: finished product. He's either going to go in the NFL,

1640
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: and most of the guys at Alabama went into the NFL.

1641
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: And if he didn't go in the NFL, he was

1642
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: ready to be a lawyer or he's ready to be

1643
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: a doctor. He's ready to go into business. And he

1644
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,280
Speaker 1: could and he said, he said, I can't do that anymore.

1645
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: He said, I've lost the ability because it's a one

1646
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: and done thing. They're in a portal, they want more money,

1647
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: they go somewhere else. And so the great coaches are

1648
01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: leaving the game because of their coaching purity of wanting

1649
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: to develop young men into great men. And so you know,

1650
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: that's sort of that's my answer to the whole thing.

1651
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 1: What was your question? By the way, talk about the

1652
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: greatness and that's okay. Contemporary coach and that's Bo and

1653
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: so he has a great relationship with the guys. Uh

1654
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: you know, tell you I's watching the film session after

1655
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: that that night the other night. It was not very

1656
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 1: pretty the other night, but he handled it perfectly, and

1657
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: guys are ready to go up to Charlotte and get

1658
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 1: our first one of the season.

1659
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: Yes, well, coach here, we always do. We always do

1660
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 2: a final segment with the OG's advice. You gotta usually

1661
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: let the OG over there. You deed do it, but

1662
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 2: today because you are the guy father and the everyone

1663
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 2: hears about heat culture and everyone understands it doesn't quite

1664
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 2: understand that, but I always tell him it's real.

1665
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: Heat culture is real.

1666
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: So your OG advice for any coach that's trying to

1667
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 2: rate of a championship culture, because I think it's important

1668
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: for these guys to understand that there's a lot of

1669
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,440
Speaker 2: that that goes into to win a championships.

1670
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 1: Well, the culture, a culture is simply an environment. And

1671
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: so when you use the word culture is you're trying

1672
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: to create the proper environment in which everybody can flourish,

1673
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: can work, you know, can be part of something that's

1674
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 1: bigger than themselves. But I'll sort of leave it with

1675
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 1: this because it has to do with an individual. And

1676
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: I've stole this comment and this quote from an author unknown,

1677
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: but it should go this way. A players, a coaches.

1678
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: A man's greatest fear should be their fear of extinction.

1679
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: But what they should fear one day is to become

1680
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: extinct within significance. And what that means to me is

1681
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: that what they want to do in that culture is

1682
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 1: they want to make sure that that culture can help

1683
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: them do something that matters and counts for themselves, for

1684
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: their family, for their legacy, for their city, for whatever.

1685
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: And you can make it bigger than just a culture

1686
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 1: a culture of just winning. And so that's what I think.

1687
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: You know, Mickey and myself when we got together, he

1688
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: wanted a culture that had a great worth work ethic

1689
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: to it. You wanted the culture of competency. You wanted

1690
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: the culture of reliability, and I think that's what he got.

1691
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: But really, at the end of the day, when players

1692
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: leave this game, they got to feel like they did

1693
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:41,120
Speaker 1: something that mattered and something they counted. You've done it.

1694
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: Udea has done it, and a lot of the guys

1695
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: that we've had here in Miami, Miami have done it.

1696
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: The ones who haven't done it here in Miami, they

1697
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: still feel it when they walk out the door. It's

1698
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 1: up to them to take it to another level.

1699
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 5: Then from there, toughest, nastiest, most dislike, nastiest, most dislike

1700
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 5: and most conditions team in Innbia.

1701
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it is.

1702
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 5: That's the culture, coach, You're gonna let you get out

1703
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 5: of here. But young guys, Bam Tyler. You know, the

1704
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 5: young guys, what's the next step.

1705
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 1: Well, that's up to them, you see, that's they've got.

1706
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: They got six seven years of experience, They've learned from you,

1707
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 1: they've learned from the veterans. Uh, it's on them right now.

1708
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to lay anything on them because it's

1709
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: a team sport. But but both of them have the ability, yes,

1710
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: uh you know, to do different things, to do bigger things,

1711
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: but it all is going to come down to winning.

1712
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:35,799
Speaker 1: And so right now they're the they're the guys Jimmy Butler,

1713
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, Bam out of Byo, you know, Tyler Hero,

1714
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: Terry Rose here, all the other guys that sort of

1715
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: come up, you know, sort of behind them. Uh, you

1716
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: got to pull all this together and you know, put

1717
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 1: it together and get out there and win. And uh,

1718
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: I think they're more than capable of it. So so

1719
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: thank You's got a great mentor and you Day. I

1720
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: appreciate what you do all the time and every time

1721
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I every time I see Ud you come in and

1722
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: talking to guys or Zo, you know, talking to guys

1723
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Mike, when you come down,

1724
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: other players come down. You don't realize how important it

1725
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 1: is for young players to have somebody come over and

1726
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: say something to them, whether it's good or bad, and

1727
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 1: they listen. I remember when Jerry West said to me

1728
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: my third year in the league, I thought I was

1729
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: out of the league and I went to the Lakers.

1730
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I was a practice I just got cut. They claimed

1731
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: me on waivers for one hundred dollars and I was

1732
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: in that gym an hour before they were going to

1733
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: have practice getting up shots. And then Jerry West walks in,

1734
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: got a ball under his arm. He walks right up

1735
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: to me and he says, Pat, welcome to the LA Lakers.

1736
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: You're really going to help us. And he mentored me

1737
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and that's what you're doing

1738
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: to our young guys. And I listened to him anything

1739
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 1: he said to me. I listened to what he had

1740
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: to say, and he made me a better player, better person.

1741
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: But you don't just talk to talk. You always walk

1742
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 3: the walk.

1743
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 5: And I think that's one thing that we always appreciated

1744
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 5: about you. You can just talk that you walked there.

1745
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:21,600
Speaker 5: I've seen it with my own eyes, you know what

1746
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 5: I'm saying. I've seen you go toe to toe with

1747
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 5: big fellows. I thought you were crazy in there. I

1748
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 5: thought you were crazy. I saw you go toe to

1749
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 5: toe with big fella. So you've always walked the walk.

1750
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:30,639
Speaker 1: Man.

1751
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 5: I appreciate everything you've done for my career. I appreciate

1752
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 5: the opportunity to learn and be around greatness, to see

1753
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 5: what it looks like and try to put it into

1754
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 5: how it can work for me.

1755
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1756
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 5: I appreciate being a part of this culture because what

1757
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 5: I've applied from in this culture outside has allowed me

1758
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 5: to be successful with other things and it really works.

1759
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 5: So I just appreciate you for being all that. And

1760
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 5: after the two years that I wasted not speaking to you,

1761
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 5: the last eighteen the last eighteen I learned a lot,

1762
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 5: So thank you.

1763
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Well you give it all back, Mike. You have a

1764
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: good time about Memphis up there. Okay, Now, if there's

1765
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: a bar on Beal Street you're going to what is

1766
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: going to be?

1767
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 3: Coach?

1768
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 5: You already got a beer right now, it's just not

1769
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:07,839
Speaker 5: in the screen. I guarantee you got a beer somewhere

1770
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 5: over there, just ain't in the screen. It's milling like king.

1771
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, coach, don't listen to him, but I want

1772
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 2: to want to read what what what UD said there too,

1773
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: And not only thank you for coming on the podcast.

1774
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 2: I know you don't do a whole lot of that

1775
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 2: at first, but most importantly for the impact you had

1776
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 2: the most impact that personally, the impact you had in

1777
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 2: my career not only in basketball but after basketball, because

1778
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 2: all the stuff that you talked about in culture, it

1779
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 2: leads in not just basketball but in business and in life.

1780
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 2: And so you know, I just want to say thank

1781
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 2: you for that and thanks for coming on the podcast.

1782
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 2: You are the OG, you got.

1783
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: The best to do it, sir. Well, you guys keep

1784
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: planting seeds, Okay, we will keep planting those seeds, you know,

1785
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: because they'll they'll they'll definitely germinate and things are going

1786
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: to come out of it. So you do it in

1787
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,640
Speaker 1: the community. Mike, you're doing it in Memphis, and you

1788
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: just keep doing it, you know. But I I can't

1789
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: talk to Mike about as players right.

1790
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,480
Speaker 3: Now, so you cannot, you cannot.

1791
01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: Want I know who they are, just like you so much. Man,

1792
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Nice coach.

1793
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 5: My my my.

1794
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 2: My, my my my my, mamm