WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Nitty-Gritty Time

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys football Club. This is nick Shot

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<v Speaker 1>streaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nicky Spagnola under the superb producing direction of Chris Beam.

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<v Speaker 1>Here it is a Tuesday edition of Mix Shots. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the victory tower is still let behind me. It's still

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<v Speaker 1>tis the season, tis playoff season in the National Football League,

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<v Speaker 1>as the Cowboys are in position to win a spot

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<v Speaker 1>in the tournament. Bill Jones with Everson Walls and his

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys gear, Mickey Spagnola in his Cowboys gear inside the

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<v Speaker 1>s WBC Mortgage Studios at Ford Center at the Start

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<v Speaker 1>in Frisco. And here we are. It's the final week

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<v Speaker 1>of the regular season. Ever, so let's give you the

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<v Speaker 1>first thought as we get started on this Tuesday. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>my first thought is, you know, Chris has really been

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<v Speaker 1>asserting himself as a producer here. Now, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of necessary because you know, it's not named Mick

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<v Speaker 1>Shots for no reason, right, I mean, it's Mick Shots

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<v Speaker 1>because Mick can be a jerk sometimes, So Chris Chris,

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<v Speaker 1>don't play right. I'm gonna start calling Chris uh, mister Carter.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the old Lean on Me movie Morgan Freeman was

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<v Speaker 1>running the high school and he had the back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start calling Chris Batman. How about that? Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Beam is the one who keeps Mickey in line on

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<v Speaker 1>Mick shots and Mickey, what are you doing on this

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<v Speaker 1>fine Tuesday? Good? We're talking playoffs? Playoffs possibly. I tell you, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I do have a scenario that I really didn't think of,

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<v Speaker 1>because usually you're talking about college players going into bowl games,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them who are highly touted, they're like

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<v Speaker 1>they opt out, like, look, I'm about to get drafted.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get hurt playing against, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody like North Carolina State in a bowl game or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. So now this morning they talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Pittsburgh Steelers taking that same attitude. They have decided not

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<v Speaker 1>to start Ben Roethlisberger along with many prominent starters on

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<v Speaker 1>their squad. So now I think they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>play the Browns. They're going to play the Browns. So

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<v Speaker 1>those other teams, Miami, some of those low hanging teams

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<v Speaker 1>that are trying to make the playoffs in the AFC,

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<v Speaker 1>What are you going to look at now? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what are your options? How do you feel about a

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<v Speaker 1>team basically tanking a game because it doesn't do them

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<v Speaker 1>any good, they can't improve their position. That that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that all of a sudden, you know, it's a foregone

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion on the Brown Steelers game. So whoever's expecting the

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<v Speaker 1>brown the Steelers or the Browns to put up a

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<v Speaker 1>fight one way or the other, that's already pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>predetermined because I can't see Pittsburgh beating the Browns without

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<v Speaker 1>Roethlisberger or many of the prominent starters that they've decided

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<v Speaker 1>to sit. So advantage Cleveland is what you're saying. Advantage

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland and those that need Cleveland to win for them

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<v Speaker 1>to get in. You understand what I'm saying, Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of teams need Cleveland to lose to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you go, it's all determined. It's all been, I

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<v Speaker 1>think now predetermined because I just can't see the Steelers

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<v Speaker 1>winning without their starts. Okay, with Washington cutting Dwayne Haxkins, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if it can benefit the Cowboy, I don't give a

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<v Speaker 1>damn what Washington does. Well, I just see what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I just say I just saw something that Rivera said

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<v Speaker 1>that he seems confident that Alex Smith will be able

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<v Speaker 1>to play on Sunday. But who knows what you say

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of the week, right smoke screens could

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<v Speaker 1>be I don't I don't like that. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>that Alex Smith is he was doing very well before

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<v Speaker 1>the cast or the schooling with him, and boy, he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come out fired him, ready to go, and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I had heard and I can't remember if

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of those information guys at the major

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<v Speaker 1>sports networks, either NFL Network or ESPN, I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>which one said that Alex Smith. They Washington felt like

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday that Alex Smith was going to be good

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<v Speaker 1>to go this week against Carolina. This past week against Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a little bit of soreness on Saturday, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they just as a group decided, let's hold off,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's give it another week because they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to win on Sunday against Carolina. Yeah, if they would

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<v Speaker 1>have benefited greatly had they won, but they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to win, and so I think they feel pretty confident

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Smith is going to play against Philadelphia Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would imagine that it made it a lot

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<v Speaker 1>easier for them to make the decision to go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and release Dwayne Haskins, especially because Taylor Heineke with Bill

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<v Speaker 1>bad I agree with, and Heineke had moved past Haskins anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So if Smith can't go, they were comfortable with going

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<v Speaker 1>with Heineke over Haskins. So and who Actually, we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>the game at the end and played better. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, That's what that's That's what I'm saying. And

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<v Speaker 1>so with the issues that we're going on anyway with

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<v Speaker 1>Haskins over the course of the last week or if

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<v Speaker 1>not longer than that, they just decided to cut bait

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<v Speaker 1>now and and we'll see what happens. You know. The

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<v Speaker 1>other thing as it relates to Philadelphia and Washington in

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<v Speaker 1>regards to what you're talking about, one thing that I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about in this COVID year where opting out

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<v Speaker 1>has been, uh, something that was prevalent even before the

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<v Speaker 1>season began. What about these teams with veteran players who

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<v Speaker 1>now come down, who are out of the playoff hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they come down to the last game of

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<v Speaker 1>the season. They might be even more apt to opt

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<v Speaker 1>out of this game than in previous years. One guy

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<v Speaker 1>in particular is Fletcher Cox, who was on the sideline

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<v Speaker 1>anyway he got and it had been nursing an injury

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<v Speaker 1>even and he didn't practice last week coming into the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys game and then left with a stinger. I would

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the chances that Fletcher Cox's playing against Washington

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<v Speaker 1>are not great at all this week. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't think you would. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you can call it an opt out because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I think there was a deadline to opt

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<v Speaker 1>out for COVID reasons. So you're right, right, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can easily Yeah, it wouldn't be official. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>veteran guys say, I'm not playing that bowl game. I

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<v Speaker 1>got nothing to gain. I gotta get exactly Yeah, exactly, which, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, on the college thing, I'm all for

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<v Speaker 1>right now, but with the state of college football, not

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<v Speaker 1>to get two into this topic, but I'm good with

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<v Speaker 1>every NFL draft prospect who's not playing in a national

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<v Speaker 1>semifinal opt out of these bowl games, opt out out,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that is the only way we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to fix college football where they can expand

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs into an eighteen playoff or whatever and make

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<v Speaker 1>these games matter. You get all those players opting out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they'll understand that they've got a broke product

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<v Speaker 1>in college football as far as the bowls are concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you can be like Missouri and have a COVID

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<v Speaker 1>outbreak and have to cancel your bowl game. It's Missouri

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<v Speaker 1>the reason that they canceled. Yeah, and you probably don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go to Nashville anyway, with the problems they've

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<v Speaker 1>been having there. That's right. They were in the music

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<v Speaker 1>city boy watch out bags, Yes, watch out but it

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<v Speaker 1>so anyway. You know, when you look at these this

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<v Speaker 1>final week of the regular season, there's there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>different variables at play. And then and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know, Mickey, you're not big into fantasy football.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why the fantasy football season ends in week

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen and not in week seventeen, because you never know

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to actually be playing in the games in

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<v Speaker 1>a week seventeen. But obviously the Cowboys need and I

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<v Speaker 1>think the Eagles will put a good effort out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they benefit from the fact that Jalen Hurts

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<v Speaker 1>is at quarterback. He has shown that he's got good

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<v Speaker 1>leadership ability and his teammates want to play for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And really, those the younger guys, I mean, they've got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to play for in term on every team

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot to play for in terms of making

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<v Speaker 1>an impression for next season. Yeah, especially those young cornerbacks right,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find their way in the league. You would

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<v Speaker 1>think the running back Sanders, he needs to play, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to earn a job, and they don't draft

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<v Speaker 1>the running back ahead of him, you know. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think I just think, you know, the guys

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<v Speaker 1>that play will play. No one wants to put bad

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<v Speaker 1>tape out there, and everybody knows that at some point

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<v Speaker 1>maybe free agency looms on the horizon and somebody will go, hell,

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<v Speaker 1>let me see how this guy played games seventeen or

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<v Speaker 1>game sixteen and twenty, right, and they go, and he

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<v Speaker 1>did that? Seriously, I don't want him. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>those things are you have to take into consideration about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just going up and going through the motions

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<v Speaker 1>and playing the last game of the season. But but

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, you have to be excited about

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<v Speaker 1>some players opportunity. You know, you've got some guys we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about all the practice players. The cowboy hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>using on the offensive line, talking about the secondary of

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<v Speaker 1>being depleted. So now you've got guys like and I

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<v Speaker 1>know his name, but remember when we first saw number

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<v Speaker 1>four them and like, who the hell is number four?

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<v Speaker 1>They were? Now Parker, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's got it. He's got he's on film now and

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<v Speaker 1>he can shop himself around and he is amongst many

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<v Speaker 1>other players that have an opportunity to do that who

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise we would not know who in the hell they

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<v Speaker 1>were if it wasn't for twenty twenty in the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>And that gave those guys an opportunity to show when

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise they would just probably be another practice player on

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<v Speaker 1>another team. If they're lucky, now you've got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to actually take some film with you and show what

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<v Speaker 1>you did, you know stuff. The irony of Stephen Parker

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<v Speaker 1>is that kind of need him now but he's on

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<v Speaker 1>rir Who knows, but next year, if he's lucky, he

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<v Speaker 1>could be very business I know, but we didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>know who he was. And now we're sitting there going, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been nice if he was still there

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<v Speaker 1>with David Woods, who knows if he's back or not.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was like the same thing with Brandon Knight.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sitting there going, oh, Brandon Knights laying left tackle.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he gets hurt and it's like, oh, no, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to do without Brandon Knight? Hey? You

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<v Speaker 1>know who on the Cowboys roster might have benefited the

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<v Speaker 1>most from the the new rules during the pandemic and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth. Think about who might have benefited the most

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<v Speaker 1>on this Cowboys roster from where his career was going

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<v Speaker 1>into this season and where it will be coming out

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<v Speaker 1>of this season, all because he had an opportunity with

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<v Speaker 1>expanded practice squads and the COVID rules in the league

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<v Speaker 1>where he has a chance now to revive his career.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you think he Correck Gilbert? Gilbert? Exactly Garrett Gilbert,

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<v Speaker 1>Because if Garrett gilt if Garrett Gilbert, if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a normal year, there would not he would not have

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<v Speaker 1>qualified for the practice squad because he's too The reason

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<v Speaker 1>he was still in the league was because he had

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<v Speaker 1>practice squad eligibility this year, and so he's sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>on the Browns practice squad. And then when the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>had a need and h and the head coach had

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<v Speaker 1>some some product knowledge from going back to high school

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<v Speaker 1>at Lake Travis High School and at Austin, he got

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<v Speaker 1>information from you, Bill. They came straight to you when

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted information on any quarterback that won the Texas

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<v Speaker 1>high schools. There you go, there you go. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. So he played one game and almost

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<v Speaker 1>beat the unbeaten Pittsburgh Steelers, doesn't get into another game,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is going to have an opportunity, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>here with the Cowboys or elsewhere, at the age of

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<v Speaker 1>thirty next year that he might not. He might have

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<v Speaker 1>been playing in whatever spring league is going to arise

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of this pandemic. I would I would carry that.

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<v Speaker 1>I would carry that game film with me wherever I go.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone that would be my middle name, Jar almost beat

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<v Speaker 1>the Steelers, Gilbert, that's my name. Yeah, let me send

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<v Speaker 1>you a link to my game film. He had him

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<v Speaker 1>down to the twenty one yard line before things fell

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<v Speaker 1>apart in the final minute. Yeah, before I pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>some of my hair, Yeah, exactly. Here's the other thing though,

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<v Speaker 1>that scares me about the whole scenario that's gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>out on Sunday. Cowboys take care of business, they play well,

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<v Speaker 1>they beat the Giants. Okay, they're now in their flight

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<v Speaker 1>home and they're getting home, you know, second half of

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<v Speaker 1>that Washington Philadelphia game turning on the television, and what

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<v Speaker 1>is the story of the year in the National Football

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<v Speaker 1>League as far as comeback stories. Alex Smith and you

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<v Speaker 1>know al Michaels. Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworthy're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>playing up the Alex Smith story and if he has

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to win that game and propel the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>football team, which by the way, was the other story

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<v Speaker 1>of the off season them changing their name to the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Football Team of Alex Smith is the guy that's

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<v Speaker 1>putting them in the playoffs. That you talk about stories,

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<v Speaker 1>that scares me from a Cowboys perspective, that it might

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<v Speaker 1>play out on Sunday night. Well, the other problems the

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<v Speaker 1>other part of that. If the Cowboys win and Washington's losing,

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<v Speaker 1>then the story is Andy Dalton maybe reviving his career,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, there you go, and also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>earning some serious incentive money by playing more than fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the snaps and getting the Cowboys into the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a million den it's a million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they happen to win, I think it's another

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred thousand dollars. Wow. Okay, So let me revised

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<v Speaker 1>what I said about Garrett Gilbert, all right, because when

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, when you think about it, where

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Dalton was in his career going coming into October,

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<v Speaker 1>and if Dak stays healthy the whole year, and with

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<v Speaker 1>the everyone leaning towards the play the young quarterbacks the

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<v Speaker 1>way he's played here in December, and as the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps to play on into January, even beyond January third,

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<v Speaker 1>he could propel himself back into starter money in the

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<v Speaker 1>National Football League. Yeah, as you brought that up. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what's unique we have. We haven't even talked about, as

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about in previous seasons, the ability to win

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<v Speaker 1>after Thanksgiving, right, that was always I will push either

0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:58.040
<v Speaker 1>we made or we stunk up our season based on

0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:02.080
<v Speaker 1>that stretch. Well, here we are now. I think we've

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<v Speaker 1>had one of the more successful Decembers. In a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, here we are three in a row in

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<v Speaker 1>December that hasn't happened for a while, and when that

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<v Speaker 1>has happened, it's always on the cusp of either we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make or break this season. So I'm very proud

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that Andy was a part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And not just that. Guys, let's look back to when

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<v Speaker 1>he got knocked out. You know, a concussion protocol. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're ready to come back. Cowboys are losing. We've you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we look bad. You've got third string, fourth string quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has COVID. Okay, So then now that pushes

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<v Speaker 1>him back even more as far as his progression is concerned.

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<v Speaker 1>And now once he finally gets a chance to get

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<v Speaker 1>a number of consecutive games on this belt, he's shown

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<v Speaker 1>us what he can do and why they brought him here.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, he's looking pretty good. Will McClay looking pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good in regards to uh finding players. Beckn helped push

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<v Speaker 1>this team along even doing this these tough times. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing about playing in December and we got it,

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<v Speaker 1>we're up against it. We need to go to a

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<v Speaker 1>break here in a second. But the other thing to

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, and I'm looking it up right now,

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<v Speaker 1>is Mike McCarthy in his first year with the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers. Okay, they finished eight and eight in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six, and what did he do in December

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<v Speaker 1>that year? The last four games? They started the year

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<v Speaker 1>four and eight, and they won their last four games

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<v Speaker 1>in December to finish at eight and eight. And then

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<v Speaker 1>what they do the following season fourteen and two? There

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<v Speaker 1>you go, and we're ended up in Dallas and we're overtime.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm away from going to the Super Bowl. Uh, in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFC title game against the Giants. They actually were

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen and three, but that was close enough, Mickey, all right,

0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.399
<v Speaker 1>I thought I had it. And of course that was

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<v Speaker 1>the year. Of course that was oh seven more bad

0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys memories when the Giants beat the Cowboys and then

0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:27.399
<v Speaker 1>the Giants go to Green Bay and three. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>we were the Packers and the Cowboys were both thirteen

0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and three that year that but anyway, there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>and it says a lot about McCarthy in his first year,

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<v Speaker 1>UH season, much like this one, where it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>going down the tubes and they finished strong and then

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<v Speaker 1>they parlayed that into a pretty nice little run that

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<v Speaker 1>he had in Green Bay, I'm gonna call Bill Parselves

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna call Bill Parcels and tell him Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Jones disagrees with you. You are who you are at Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 1>That's trying. That's exactly right. Yeah, good point Parcels didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know everything. Yeah yeah, Hey, hey, hey, Wat's out now,

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<v Speaker 1>Live FX video board during the game. Mickey is sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there perusing something. Not to get into your business there, Mickey, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>has something to do with the show. I was making

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<v Speaker 1>read for the next break. There you go, all right, Jerry,

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<v Speaker 1>he was on the radio this morning. Any highlights that

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<v Speaker 1>you gleaned from Jerry's weekly appearance on the fan Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The last thing he said, as they say there's a

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<v Speaker 1>pony in here somewhere. I don't think i've heard that

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<v Speaker 1>one before I have. What does that mean? I'm sorry?

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<v Speaker 1>What was the context? It was? It was? It was

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking. They finished talking about, uh, not only

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility of having a playoff game at AT and

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<v Speaker 1>T Stadium, but also a Cotton Bowl and a Rose Bowl. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And to think that the stadium's gonna host could host

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<v Speaker 1>all three of those within a week's time. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and they were just talking to playoff possibilities

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<v Speaker 1>for the cowboys, and he said, as they say, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a pony in there somewhere. I heard the story. So

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<v Speaker 1>we got, well, yeah, what Jerry's say. What Jerry's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is I'm going to make some money off of this

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of way. I'm making some money off of something. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he also so he not only did he

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<v Speaker 1>inject the pony into his segment, but he also injected

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<v Speaker 1>the buzzards into the segment. And we've heard that one before,

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on a fence and waiting for kind of something

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<v Speaker 1>to come by for food, and one patient being patient

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<v Speaker 1>and everything, and one of the buzzers to turn to

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<v Speaker 1>the other one said, uh, to hell with patients, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to kill something. And it was it was all right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that one. It's important to talk about the context

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking about Moore. Yeah, and you know, Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>had pointed out sometimes when these opportunities come, sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>have to be patient. Uh, and kind of pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we kind of kicked it off back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we really didn't talk about it that much

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday about Kellen have looking like he to have the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to take the head coaching job at Boise State,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I see both sides of that obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we'd all like to go victoriously back home

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<v Speaker 1>and do something great. But then also when you've set

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<v Speaker 1>the bar as high as he has as a player

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<v Speaker 1>at Boise State, you're better be careful because they might

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<v Speaker 1>expect that as you as a head coach. Now you

0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>probably expect that as yourself of yourself. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing is is what if you continue to do

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<v Speaker 1>what you've been doing for these two years as an

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<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinator in the NFL. I don't think teams have

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<v Speaker 1>any problems hiring a thirty four year old head coach

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<v Speaker 1>these days. And I think you have to just decide

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's where's your priority light Is it in college

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<v Speaker 1>or would you want to do it in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 1>He has head coaching in his genes right. His dad's

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<v Speaker 1>a head coach. And I don't remember if I told

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you guys this story, but his grandfather was a decorated

0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:14.280
<v Speaker 1>high school basketball coach in the state of Illinois. He

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<v Speaker 1>had gone to Western Illinois, earned his degree and start

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<v Speaker 1>coaching high school basketball. And I didn't know this until

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<v Speaker 1>Kellen Moore showed up and one of my college roommates

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<v Speaker 1>informed me of it because he knew about the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>history of the Moors that his grandfather and this was

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<v Speaker 1>way before I was in high school actually won these

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<v Speaker 1>awards coaching high school basketball at my high school. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can believe that, we go all the way back,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, he talked about coming in. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>where the town I lived, there was a forest preserved

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<v Speaker 1>between the next town and that's where his grandparents lived

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<v Speaker 1>and they used to go there to visit back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. So anyway, there's head coaching in his genes

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<v Speaker 1>all the way back to his grandfather. I have to say,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm in Kellen's position, you know, you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>going back home and coaching for an alma model where

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>you were a legend. That's one thing. But he's still young,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to sit up here and say, Okay, it's

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 1>time for me to go back home at thirty four

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 1>years old, thirty two. Trust me, Borisi States a great school,

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure with him being there that that's his place.

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<v Speaker 1>He feels comfortable there, and of course it depends on

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.919
<v Speaker 1>what goes on with his family situation and how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>We never really consider that, but of course the coaches

0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>always do have to consider that. But when I look

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<v Speaker 1>at Kellen's ascension into UH, into his position where he

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<v Speaker 1>is now, and then maybe even going further on as

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<v Speaker 1>a head coach for the NFL, to me, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility for him in regards to going back. If you

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>want to go back home, man, you got plenty of

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>time god willing to go back home, you know, wait

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 1>till you're around fifty years old or something like that.

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>But to go back to be a head coach at

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Boysey State right while you still have a chance to

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 1>make them make big noise in the NFL, to me,

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:24.199
<v Speaker 1>it's a no brainer. But like I said, that depends

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 1>on his family situation and what his ideals are. I

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.840
<v Speaker 1>have high ideals for him that he will be a

0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>head coach in the NFL, you know. And the other

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>thing you have to consider is he's got to ask himself,

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:39.760
<v Speaker 1>am I ready to be a head coach? You know?

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>It's one thing to be a coordinator, and we've seen

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:46.800
<v Speaker 1>how teams have promoted coordinators to become head coaches, right

0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and they're not head coach material. They're great coordinators. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying he's not. Is he ready after two

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>years as a coordinator, one year as a quarterback coach

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>to be a head coach and take on a program?

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Does he know enough people to hire a staff? And

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that's one of the things they'll ask you, you know

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>what kind of staff you're gonna put together? So he

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>has to ask himself those things. And you know what

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I always remembered did sometimes you do have to be patient.

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>You remember when Mike Zimmert interviewed for the head coaching

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>job at Nebraska and he decided, no, I don't think

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I liked that situation. He stayed. Remember when Sean Payton

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 1>interviewed for the Raiders' head coaching job and he felt

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable with the Al Davis situation there and the fact

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't have a quarterback and he felt like

0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>this just isn't right, and he remained with the Cowboys.

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 1>And the same thing with Jason Garrett when he was

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 1>the offensive coordinator and he interviewed at Baltimore and they

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>were offering him the job and he turned it down

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>because he felt like head coach of the Cowboys was

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.880
<v Speaker 1>in his future at some point. So yeah, we always

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>have to ask those guys where they're at in their

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>coaching careers and not just take the job. To take

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the job, because the last place you want to do

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>is go I have war. It's a coaching you know

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you're it's a coach killer. And I remember this story

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>and then I'll let you go back in. When I

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 1>got to Jackson, Mississippi. Uh, Steve Sloan had been the

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>head coach at Texas Tech, right, and uh he was.

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:22.320
<v Speaker 1>He was Bear Bryant's might as well been his son, right,

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 1>And Bear Bryant advised him, don't go to Old Miss.

0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>It's a coach killing spot for you. And he didn't listen.

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Parcels went to Army instead of going to Old Miss

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>with him, or went to Vanderbilt. I know they came

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>from Vanderbilt, sorry, And and he went to Old Miss

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and it was a coach killer. He couldn't win there.

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't listen to Daddy Bryant at that time,

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and he should have. So sometimes you got to look

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>at the situation not to just to say I want

0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>to be a head coach. Right. I told you I

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 1>got one. I was there. I saw it as soon

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 1>as he won the Super Bowl twenty five in nineteen

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>ninety one, Parsels has an angio plastic. In the off season,

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Bill Belichick has gone to Cleveland. We had a running

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>back coach named Ray Hanley. Ray Handley after the Super

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Bowl was going to be promoted immediately to offensive coordinator,

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>and that did happen. Right after he was promoted to

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:32.600
<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinator, that's when Parcels had the angio plastic. Right,

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>So now you're stuck with no head coach. George Young

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 1>decides to reach back for a puppet. He thought Ray

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Handley would be that great puppet for him because he

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>never thought George did that he could run the team.

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>While Parcels was there, they were always button heads. So

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>now George Young saw an opportunity to have a guy

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>there that he didn't have to butt heads with it

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 1>he could control. Well. We ended up missing the Super

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Bowl that year and the year after that, and when

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:03.840
<v Speaker 1>it was all said and done, Ray Hanley was not

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>just roasted. His entire life was turned upside down in

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>regards to rumors and things of that nature. And so

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>it just got real ugly. So, like you said, This

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>is a caution every tale for Keller Moore, it ain't

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 1>always rosy on the other side, you know what I'm saying.

0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Some things can happen to where everything can go off

0:32:26.320 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>the rails, and that's exactly what happened with Ray Hanley. Okay. Ever,

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>so let me ask you this, if Belichick had not

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>taken the Brown's job when that happened with Parcels, would

0:32:37.120 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Belichick had been the interim guy or was he not

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>of the not what George Young was looking at. As

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.920
<v Speaker 1>far as me and a puppet, let me let me

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>say this, Belichick is more of a When I say

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 1>company man, I mean he's very devout to his superiors.

0:32:53.760 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>He's very devout to the owners and things of that nature. Sure,

0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.040
<v Speaker 1>if he would have taken that job, I think he

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and George Young would have had fewer fights, you know,

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>fewer uproars between the two than what Paulsall has had.

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, if Belichick didn't like it

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>after one year, he would have been out of there.

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>He would have been out of there because he would

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have known right away if this was a situation for him.

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>If I would Belichick, and if I would have step

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>into his shoes. I would not have taken the job

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>under George Young just because of his nature. And that's

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>why Pause sells left as well. The other thing as

0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 1>far as Kellen Moore. The other thing as far as

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Kellen Moore is concerned. Obviously, when you're looking at a

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>college job, it's a different whole job than what coach.

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Being a head coach in the NFL is And I

0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know how much Kellen Moore would enjoy the recruiting

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>aspect of it. You know, people talk about Lincoln Riley

0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>being a potential NFL coach. Here's the difference as I

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>see Kellen Moore and Lincoln Riley. A Kellen Moore for

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the last nine years has been cutting his teeth in

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:08.400
<v Speaker 1>the NFL at first as a player, then as an

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 1>assistant coach, then as a coordinator, and so he knows

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>intimately how the NFL works. Okay, he doesn't have the

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.879
<v Speaker 1>same connections as far as recruiting goes Lincoln Riley has

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>had always He's never stepped on an NFL campus. He's

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>always groomed himself from when he was a freshman in

0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 1>college to be a college head coach. And he loves

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the recruiting aspect of it. He recruits great because he

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 1>loves it. I mean that is sort of his lifeblood.

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 1>And so that would be something that Kellen Moore would

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>have to ask himself, how much would I really like

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>the recruiting part of it? Go ahead, Mickey, No, I

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>was just going to finish the segment off by saying,

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>speaking of Belichick, did you see the phone throwing incident

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>last night? Yes, even my wife saw that. He's like,

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:03.360
<v Speaker 1>what does that? And the camera's caught it. It is great.

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't even can't. I can't believe somebody up in

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the coach's booth suggested to him that they should challenge that.

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:16.759
<v Speaker 1>You could see. All they had to do is look

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>at the first replay. It was obvious it was a catch, right,

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and he's chewing the guy off. He could tell he's

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>chewing them out. Afterwards, and he takes the phone and boom,

0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 1>throws it against the phone bank. That's one thing about

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>these masks. They you cannot read lips in these masks, okay,

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>and I think the coaches are really taking advantage of that.

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Sometime you can't read lips, but you can see veins

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<v Speaker 1>mick shots. We got about eight minutes or so to

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<v Speaker 1>go the other thing, one of the other things that

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry jobs get two because I talk buzzards and ponies.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, all right, klid you tomore on Jerry Zack Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlikely this week, but there's hope in the postseason, yes,

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>he said, for the future. There is there is a possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>So h you know, we we get a chance to

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:59.600
<v Speaker 1>see those guys do their rehab outside with Britt Brown

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and they're on the Resistance chords and somebody had asked

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>me about them last week and I said, oh, he

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't look like you know, he's doing those side steps

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that they have him do as well as maybe some

0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:14.640
<v Speaker 1>of the other guys. So I figured he was a

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 1>little further behind. So we'll see how he's doing this week.

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 1>If it's improved. And I have to met that's one

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>of the things that I have to do my rehab.

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>They put these elastic bang bands around both ankles or

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:32.320
<v Speaker 1>one around both and you do sidesteps and when you

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>squat down and do those for about ten each way.

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.839
<v Speaker 1>It's difficult. So when I see those guys on those

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>resistant chords, I'm going, Kyle, that's so easy. What are

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 1>they doing? You know? That doesn't seem like it takes

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:50.800
<v Speaker 1>much effort. Oh, it takes some effort, believe me. I

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 1>gotta say, Spags, you should just from a personal standpoint,

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>you should continue with those bands even as your achilles

0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>starts to feel bad. Excellent work out for you. My

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>son does them all the time. The small tendons always

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 1>good to keep those in shape, especially as we get

0:40:09.719 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 1>older and our bones start to get a little bit weaker.

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:14.880
<v Speaker 1>We need those tendons and muscles to be just a

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>little bit stronger as we go forward. But I was

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna say, did you guys hear what the zeke said

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 1>yesterday in regards to how good he felt as opposed

0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:29.280
<v Speaker 1>to the other during the other periods of the season.

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.160
<v Speaker 1>He had kind of mentioned that he had been hurting

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and hadn't said much to anyone about how sore and

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 1>then hurting he has been throughout the entire season. And

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if a hundred yards, if one hundred

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:47.439
<v Speaker 1>yard game helps you feel better, or do you feel

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.439
<v Speaker 1>better and that's why you had the hundred yard game.

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 1>But either way, he seems to be feeling a whole

0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 1>lot better right now in regards to physically and where

0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 1>his head is at right now. Looking for with him

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>coming out this weekend and having a really Zekiel Elliott

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 1>type of type of game this weekend. You know the

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>other thing that he said after the game, and I

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>thought this was very I don't know if people know

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.240
<v Speaker 1>who Zeke is. I don't know if they know what's

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in his heart or just his inner feelings. And he

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 1>really doesn't a lot, a lot allow a lot out.

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:29.759
<v Speaker 1>But you know, he was asked after the game what

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.760
<v Speaker 1>gave him confidence that they could possibly playing for something

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.959
<v Speaker 1>meaningful in the last game of the season, and he said,

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 1>because I'm a competitor. If you gave up five six

0:41:40.719 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, you shouldn't even be We don't even want

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>you on our side. I mean, we are competitors. The

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 1>whole team is we are a team of competitors, I mean,

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>and we aren't out of it, you know. And then

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:56.399
<v Speaker 1>he kind of explained what they had to do next

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.719
<v Speaker 1>to be able to get in and needing some help,

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and as he said at the end, he goes, I

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>think we are catching fire at the right time, so

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:08.320
<v Speaker 1>we'll see. But when I when he said that, I

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<v Speaker 1>was a little surprised that he was that outspoken. But

0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 1>but he's right, right, I mean, Tyrone Crawford said the

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 1>same thing. He goes, you know, until they say eliminated

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.880
<v Speaker 1>on the message board, I'm not eliminated. And and and

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 1>that's the way you got to play. And you know what, somehow,

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.840
<v Speaker 1>some way they bought into this. And I don't know

0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:35.760
<v Speaker 1>what causes takeaways the way they've had these last three weeks,

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you can't coach them. I mean, you

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.160
<v Speaker 1>can do drills, but they just kind of happen, right,

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>But I think if you're playing hard and you're still competing,

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 1>that maybe you get ten takeaways in three games, it

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:53.600
<v Speaker 1>seems improbable. And without those takeaways, they don't win. They

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.359
<v Speaker 1>don't win three games. Everybody knows, well, what's the difference. Well,

0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>when you get ten takeaways and you're a plus nine,

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>my goodness, you'd have to really screw up to not

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:06.200
<v Speaker 1>win those games when you're getting at least three every game.

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Is what they did three, three and four. So they

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>kept playing, you know, and whatever happens on Sunday happens,

0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I get it, but at least they made it interesting

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:22.640
<v Speaker 1>to the bitter end. If it's bitter, I gotta say, spag.

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<v Speaker 1>The only the only thing I disagree with you on

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:29.200
<v Speaker 1>is yes, you do know why they started getting the turnovers.

0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 1>It's because everything the game plan itself started to work.

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 1>Talk I always talk about critical moments doing a game,

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and the Cowboys have honed in on that we talked

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.279
<v Speaker 1>about last this past game, you could clearly see that

0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Moore's approach to this game was to be successful

0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>on first down and consequently, as much as I've been

0:43:56.400 --> 0:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>on his butt, Mike Nolan's defensive strategy was also the same.

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Let's win the first down and also, even more important,

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>let's get that third down, because regardless of how many

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 1>yards we give up, how many points we give up,

0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 1>we give those up because we're not successful mostly on

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.800
<v Speaker 1>third down. You know how many times we've allowed the

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>team to be successful on third down, either by our

0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>mistake covering a guy or our mistakes and penalties. So

0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it seems like we've cut that out. Very few penalties

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in the secondary of this past weekend. Therefore, a very

0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>few third down successes for the Philadelphia Eagles. So, yes, bags,

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 1>you do know how those interceptions come because instead of

0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 1>us putting pressure on ourselves, we put pressure on the opposition.

0:44:50.560 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 1>You don't just do that from the defensive line, you

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.959
<v Speaker 1>do that from strategy. So that's how we started getting

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:00.040
<v Speaker 1>these interceptions. And you know what, there's another mention a

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>third down. Going into that game, they were giving up

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 1>third down conversions at fifty percent rate. Fifty fifty if

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>if if if if if, if you as a team

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 1>are converting like thirty five to forty percent of your

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 1>third downs, you're sitting there going out. Really, you're good,

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 1>You're successful. They were given fifty percent, and I think

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 1>in the game it ended up being fifty percent again

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly, or at least close to it.

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but what happened after that first drive? After

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:37.839
<v Speaker 1>that first drive, then that's when things got a little

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>bit dicier. After the after the second quarter and even

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to the second half, they were a lot more successful

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:50.279
<v Speaker 1>on third downs. So uh, they they converted seven of

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 1>seventeen forty one percent, but I bet at the first

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>half it was a lot higher than that. Let's see

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>own efficiency Philadelphia was five of eight sixty two the

0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:09.880
<v Speaker 1>first half. So yeah, And you know the other thing

0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.640
<v Speaker 1>they did defensively, and you talked about game plan is

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>when they got into those third down situations, they rushed

0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 1>three guys, kept three two linebackers and six dbs and

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 1>use CJ. Goodwin to kind of keep an eye on

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the quarterback. He would have been one of the few

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 1>guys in the team that had the speed to be

0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 1>able to run with Jalen Hurts. And I think, as

0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Mike Nolan said, it did accomplished two things. One that

0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>they had somebody that if Jalen Hurts took off, that

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 1>could run with them. And two, because Jalen Hurts realized

0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>there was someone to run with him, he was less

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.320
<v Speaker 1>likely to jump outside the pocket. He did not know

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>where to throw the ball, and then he had he

0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>did not know where to throw the ball. Exactly right.

0:46:56.200 --> 0:47:00.359
<v Speaker 1>That's right. You know another thing and we're out time,

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 1>but I want to throw it in there going ahead

0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and punting the ball on fourth and one, thinking of

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 1>you on that play, all right, first quarter, you're down,

0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 1>you're down fourteen to three, and there have been times

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>this season your fourth and one at your own thirty

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 1>four yard line, and you feel like you gotta do

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.319
<v Speaker 1>something because you don't trust your defense to stop them,

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and so you got to do more than what is necessary,

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.120
<v Speaker 1>all right, And they went ahead and punting the ball

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:39.240
<v Speaker 1>away from their own thirty four, and the Eagles started

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:43.759
<v Speaker 1>their drive at the fourteen yard line. You flipped the

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.279
<v Speaker 1>field on them. They started their own fourteen. They ran

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:50.800
<v Speaker 1>it three times three and out they punt it, and

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:53.240
<v Speaker 1>now you're getting the ball back at your own thirty seven,

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.839
<v Speaker 1>and you put together a sixty three yard touchdown drive

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:58.759
<v Speaker 1>and the rest, as they say, is history. And then

0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 1>down on the goal line in the second quarter, you

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.120
<v Speaker 1>were third and goal at the one. You had the busted,

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 1>the mental bust, whatever it was where Dalton had to

0:48:06.520 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 1>run it. And now your fourth and goal at the two.

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Rather than going forward on fourth and goal at the two,

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and kick your field goal, take your points,

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 1>and you're not trying to do too much to help

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.640
<v Speaker 1>your defense. You know when they when they had that play,

0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>looking at him, and I saw the way the offense

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 1>started it. If a game, I was sitting there going, oh,

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:30.919
<v Speaker 1>if they punt here, it's gonna be twenty one to three,

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 1>and I was sitting there going, maybe you need to

0:48:35.840 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 1>go one more thing. We always had ever saying one

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:46.839
<v Speaker 1>more thing. I love Dalton. I love Andy Dalton's interview gear.

0:48:47.520 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>He looks like he's from the Grease Broadway play. Yes,

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:56.879
<v Speaker 1>he's got the right coat on. He's got his head

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>looking all cool. I'm like, who is this guy? John,

0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm Travolta. What the hell's going on here? Well, we're

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 1>staying alive, staying alive, So that's why he's got the

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.640
<v Speaker 1>jan staying alive. Right, all right, that does it. It

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:13.920
<v Speaker 1>will be all our mix shots and we will see

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<v Speaker 1>you again tomorrow at one thirty. This has been a

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