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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola under the superb producing direction of Chris Beam.
Speaker 1: Here it is a Tuesday edition of Mix Shots. And yes,
Speaker 1: the victory tower is still let behind me. It's still
Speaker 1: tis the season, tis playoff season in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: as the Cowboys are in position to win a spot
Speaker 1: in the tournament. Bill Jones with Everson Walls and his
Speaker 1: Cowboys gear, Mickey Spagnola in his Cowboys gear inside the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studios at Ford Center at the Start
Speaker 1: in Frisco. And here we are. It's the final week
Speaker 1: of the regular season. Ever, so let's give you the
Speaker 1: first thought as we get started on this Tuesday. Well,
Speaker 1: my first thought is, you know, Chris has really been
Speaker 1: asserting himself as a producer here. Now, I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of necessary because you know, it's not named Mick
Speaker 1: Shots for no reason, right, I mean, it's Mick Shots
Speaker 1: because Mick can be a jerk sometimes, So Chris Chris,
Speaker 1: don't play right. I'm gonna start calling Chris uh, mister Carter.
Speaker 1: Remember the old Lean on Me movie Morgan Freeman was
Speaker 1: running the high school and he had the back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start calling Chris Batman. How about that? Chris
Speaker 1: Beam is the one who keeps Mickey in line on
Speaker 1: Mick shots and Mickey, what are you doing on this
Speaker 1: fine Tuesday? Good? We're talking playoffs? Playoffs possibly. I tell you, guys,
Speaker 1: I do have a scenario that I really didn't think of,
Speaker 1: because usually you're talking about college players going into bowl games,
Speaker 1: and some of them who are highly touted, they're like
Speaker 1: they opt out, like, look, I'm about to get drafted.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get hurt playing against, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody like North Carolina State in a bowl game or
Speaker 1: something like that. So now this morning they talk about
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers taking that same attitude. They have decided not
Speaker 1: to start Ben Roethlisberger along with many prominent starters on
Speaker 1: their squad. So now I think they were going to
Speaker 1: play the Browns. They're going to play the Browns. So
Speaker 1: those other teams, Miami, some of those low hanging teams
Speaker 1: that are trying to make the playoffs in the AFC,
Speaker 1: What are you going to look at now? You know,
Speaker 1: what are your options? How do you feel about a
Speaker 1: team basically tanking a game because it doesn't do them
Speaker 1: any good, they can't improve their position. That that's something
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden, you know, it's a foregone
Speaker 1: conclusion on the Brown Steelers game. So whoever's expecting the
Speaker 1: brown the Steelers or the Browns to put up a
Speaker 1: fight one way or the other, that's already pretty much
Speaker 1: predetermined because I can't see Pittsburgh beating the Browns without
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger or many of the prominent starters that they've decided
Speaker 1: to sit. So advantage Cleveland is what you're saying. Advantage
Speaker 1: Cleveland and those that need Cleveland to win for them
Speaker 1: to get in. You understand what I'm saying, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of teams need Cleveland to lose to get in.
Speaker 1: Now you go, it's all determined. It's all been, I
Speaker 1: think now predetermined because I just can't see the Steelers
Speaker 1: winning without their starts. Okay, with Washington cutting Dwayne Haxkins, Hey,
Speaker 1: if it can benefit the Cowboy, I don't give a
Speaker 1: damn what Washington does. Well, I just see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I just say I just saw something that Rivera said
Speaker 1: that he seems confident that Alex Smith will be able
Speaker 1: to play on Sunday. But who knows what you say
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the week, right smoke screens could
Speaker 1: be I don't I don't like that. I don't like
Speaker 1: that Alex Smith is he was doing very well before
Speaker 1: the cast or the schooling with him, and boy, he's
Speaker 1: gonna come out fired him, ready to go, and uh.
Speaker 1: And what I had heard and I can't remember if
Speaker 1: it was one of those information guys at the major
Speaker 1: sports networks, either NFL Network or ESPN, I can't remember
Speaker 1: which one said that Alex Smith. They Washington felt like
Speaker 1: on Friday that Alex Smith was going to be good
Speaker 1: to go this week against Carolina. This past week against Carolina,
Speaker 1: he had a little bit of soreness on Saturday, and
Speaker 1: then they just as a group decided, let's hold off,
Speaker 1: let's let's give it another week because they didn't have
Speaker 1: to win on Sunday against Carolina. Yeah, if they would
Speaker 1: have benefited greatly had they won, but they didn't have
Speaker 1: to win, and so I think they feel pretty confident
Speaker 1: Alex Smith is going to play against Philadelphia Sunday night,
Speaker 1: and I would imagine that it made it a lot
Speaker 1: easier for them to make the decision to go ahead
Speaker 1: and release Dwayne Haskins, especially because Taylor Heineke with Bill
Speaker 1: bad I agree with, and Heineke had moved past Haskins anyway,
Speaker 1: So if Smith can't go, they were comfortable with going
Speaker 1: with Heineke over Haskins. So and who Actually, we'll see
Speaker 1: the game at the end and played better. That's right,
Speaker 1: That's right, That's what that's That's what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: so with the issues that we're going on anyway with
Speaker 1: Haskins over the course of the last week or if
Speaker 1: not longer than that, they just decided to cut bait
Speaker 1: now and and we'll see what happens. You know. The
Speaker 1: other thing as it relates to Philadelphia and Washington in
Speaker 1: regards to what you're talking about, one thing that I
Speaker 1: was thinking about in this COVID year where opting out
Speaker 1: has been, uh, something that was prevalent even before the
Speaker 1: season began. What about these teams with veteran players who
Speaker 1: now come down, who are out of the playoff hunt,
Speaker 1: and now they come down to the last game of
Speaker 1: the season. They might be even more apt to opt
Speaker 1: out of this game than in previous years. One guy
Speaker 1: in particular is Fletcher Cox, who was on the sideline
Speaker 1: anyway he got and it had been nursing an injury
Speaker 1: even and he didn't practice last week coming into the
Speaker 1: Cowboys game and then left with a stinger. I would
Speaker 1: think it's the chances that Fletcher Cox's playing against Washington
Speaker 1: are not great at all this week. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think you would. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can call it an opt out because I
Speaker 1: don't think I think there was a deadline to opt
Speaker 1: out for COVID reasons. So you're right, right, but you
Speaker 1: can easily Yeah, it wouldn't be official. One of the
Speaker 1: veteran guys say, I'm not playing that bowl game. I
Speaker 1: got nothing to gain. I gotta get exactly Yeah, exactly, which, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, on the college thing, I'm all for
Speaker 1: right now, but with the state of college football, not
Speaker 1: to get two into this topic, but I'm good with
Speaker 1: every NFL draft prospect who's not playing in a national
Speaker 1: semifinal opt out of these bowl games, opt out out,
Speaker 1: and that that is the only way we're going to
Speaker 1: be able to fix college football where they can expand
Speaker 1: the playoffs into an eighteen playoff or whatever and make
Speaker 1: these games matter. You get all those players opting out,
Speaker 1: and then they'll understand that they've got a broke product
Speaker 1: in college football as far as the bowls are concerned.
Speaker 1: Or you can be like Missouri and have a COVID
Speaker 1: outbreak and have to cancel your bowl game. It's Missouri
Speaker 1: the reason that they canceled. Yeah, and you probably don't
Speaker 1: want to go to Nashville anyway, with the problems they've
Speaker 1: been having there. That's right. They were in the music
Speaker 1: city boy watch out bags, Yes, watch out but it
Speaker 1: so anyway. You know, when you look at these this
Speaker 1: final week of the regular season, there's there's so many
Speaker 1: different variables at play. And then and by the way,
Speaker 1: and I know, Mickey, you're not big into fantasy football.
Speaker 1: This is why the fantasy football season ends in week
Speaker 1: sixteen and not in week seventeen, because you never know
Speaker 1: who's going to actually be playing in the games in
Speaker 1: a week seventeen. But obviously the Cowboys need and I
Speaker 1: think the Eagles will put a good effort out there.
Speaker 1: I think they benefit from the fact that Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: is at quarterback. He has shown that he's got good
Speaker 1: leadership ability and his teammates want to play for him.
Speaker 1: And really, those the younger guys, I mean, they've got
Speaker 1: a lot to play for in term on every team
Speaker 1: have a lot to play for in terms of making
Speaker 1: an impression for next season. Yeah, especially those young cornerbacks right,
Speaker 1: trying to find their way in the league. You would
Speaker 1: think the running back Sanders, he needs to play, right,
Speaker 1: he's trying to earn a job, and they don't draft
Speaker 1: the running back ahead of him, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think I just think, you know, the guys
Speaker 1: that play will play. No one wants to put bad
Speaker 1: tape out there, and everybody knows that at some point
Speaker 1: maybe free agency looms on the horizon and somebody will go, hell,
Speaker 1: let me see how this guy played games seventeen or
Speaker 1: game sixteen and twenty, right, and they go, and he
Speaker 1: did that? Seriously, I don't want him. So I think
Speaker 1: those things are you have to take into consideration about,
Speaker 1: you know, just going up and going through the motions
Speaker 1: and playing the last game of the season. But but
Speaker 1: on the other hand, you have to be excited about
Speaker 1: some players opportunity. You know, you've got some guys we
Speaker 1: talked about all the practice players. The cowboy hasn't been
Speaker 1: using on the offensive line, talking about the secondary of
Speaker 1: being depleted. So now you've got guys like and I
Speaker 1: know his name, but remember when we first saw number
Speaker 1: four them and like, who the hell is number four?
Speaker 1: They were? Now Parker, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's got it. He's got he's on film now and
Speaker 1: he can shop himself around and he is amongst many
Speaker 1: other players that have an opportunity to do that who
Speaker 1: otherwise we would not know who in the hell they
Speaker 1: were if it wasn't for twenty twenty in the pandemic.
Speaker 1: And that gave those guys an opportunity to show when
Speaker 1: otherwise they would just probably be another practice player on
Speaker 1: another team. If they're lucky, now you've got a chance
Speaker 1: to actually take some film with you and show what
Speaker 1: you did, you know stuff. The irony of Stephen Parker
Speaker 1: is that kind of need him now but he's on
Speaker 1: rir Who knows, but next year, if he's lucky, he
Speaker 1: could be very business I know, but we didn't even
Speaker 1: know who he was. And now we're sitting there going, gosh,
Speaker 1: it would have been nice if he was still there
Speaker 1: with David Woods, who knows if he's back or not.
Speaker 1: You know, it was like the same thing with Brandon Knight.
Speaker 1: You're sitting there going, oh, Brandon Knights laying left tackle.
Speaker 1: Then he gets hurt and it's like, oh, no, what
Speaker 1: are you going to do without Brandon Knight? Hey? You
Speaker 1: know who on the Cowboys roster might have benefited the
Speaker 1: most from the the new rules during the pandemic and
Speaker 1: so forth. Think about who might have benefited the most
Speaker 1: on this Cowboys roster from where his career was going
Speaker 1: into this season and where it will be coming out
Speaker 1: of this season, all because he had an opportunity with
Speaker 1: expanded practice squads and the COVID rules in the league
Speaker 1: where he has a chance now to revive his career.
Speaker 1: Who do you think he Correck Gilbert? Gilbert? Exactly Garrett Gilbert,
Speaker 1: Because if Garrett gilt if Garrett Gilbert, if it was
Speaker 1: a normal year, there would not he would not have
Speaker 1: qualified for the practice squad because he's too The reason
Speaker 1: he was still in the league was because he had
Speaker 1: practice squad eligibility this year, and so he's sitting there
Speaker 1: on the Browns practice squad. And then when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had a need and h and the head coach had
Speaker 1: some some product knowledge from going back to high school
Speaker 1: at Lake Travis High School and at Austin, he got
Speaker 1: information from you, Bill. They came straight to you when
Speaker 1: they wanted information on any quarterback that won the Texas
Speaker 1: high schools. There you go, there you go. But I
Speaker 1: think about it. So he played one game and almost
Speaker 1: beat the unbeaten Pittsburgh Steelers, doesn't get into another game,
Speaker 1: and he is going to have an opportunity, whether it's
Speaker 1: here with the Cowboys or elsewhere, at the age of
Speaker 1: thirty next year that he might not. He might have
Speaker 1: been playing in whatever spring league is going to arise
Speaker 1: coming out of this pandemic. I would I would carry that.
Speaker 1: I would carry that game film with me wherever I go.
Speaker 1: Anyone that would be my middle name, Jar almost beat
Speaker 1: the Steelers, Gilbert, that's my name. Yeah, let me send
Speaker 1: you a link to my game film. He had him
Speaker 1: down to the twenty one yard line before things fell
Speaker 1: apart in the final minute. Yeah, before I pulled out
Speaker 1: some of my hair, Yeah, exactly. Here's the other thing though,
Speaker 1: that scares me about the whole scenario that's gonna play
Speaker 1: out on Sunday. Cowboys take care of business, they play well,
Speaker 1: they beat the Giants. Okay, they're now in their flight
Speaker 1: home and they're getting home, you know, second half of
Speaker 1: that Washington Philadelphia game turning on the television, and what
Speaker 1: is the story of the year in the National Football
Speaker 1: League as far as comeback stories. Alex Smith and you
Speaker 1: know al Michaels. Al Michaels and Chris Collinsworthy're gonna be
Speaker 1: playing up the Alex Smith story and if he has
Speaker 1: an opportunity to win that game and propel the Washington
Speaker 1: football team, which by the way, was the other story
Speaker 1: of the off season them changing their name to the
Speaker 1: Washington Football Team of Alex Smith is the guy that's
Speaker 1: putting them in the playoffs. That you talk about stories,
Speaker 1: that scares me from a Cowboys perspective, that it might
Speaker 1: play out on Sunday night. Well, the other problems the
Speaker 1: other part of that. If the Cowboys win and Washington's losing,
Speaker 1: then the story is Andy Dalton maybe reviving his career,
Speaker 1: by the way, there you go, and also, by the way,
Speaker 1: earning some serious incentive money by playing more than fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps and getting the Cowboys into the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I think it's a million den it's a million dollars,
Speaker 1: and if they happen to win, I think it's another
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars. Wow. Okay, So let me revised
Speaker 1: what I said about Garrett Gilbert, all right, because when
Speaker 1: you think about it, when you think about it, where
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton was in his career going coming into October,
Speaker 1: and if Dak stays healthy the whole year, and with
Speaker 1: the everyone leaning towards the play the young quarterbacks the
Speaker 1: way he's played here in December, and as the opportunity
Speaker 1: perhaps to play on into January, even beyond January third,
Speaker 1: he could propel himself back into starter money in the
Speaker 1: National Football League. Yeah, as you brought that up. Here's
Speaker 1: what's unique we have. We haven't even talked about, as
Speaker 1: we've talked about in previous seasons, the ability to win
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, right, that was always I will push either
Speaker 1: we made or we stunk up our season based on
Speaker 1: that stretch. Well, here we are now. I think we've
Speaker 1: had one of the more successful Decembers. In a minute,
Speaker 1: you know, here we are three in a row in
Speaker 1: December that hasn't happened for a while, and when that
Speaker 1: has happened, it's always on the cusp of either we're
Speaker 1: gonna make or break this season. So I'm very proud
Speaker 1: of the fact that Andy was a part of that.
Speaker 1: And not just that. Guys, let's look back to when
Speaker 1: he got knocked out. You know, a concussion protocol. All right,
Speaker 1: we're ready to come back. Cowboys are losing. We've you know,
Speaker 1: we look bad. You've got third string, fourth string quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and he has COVID. Okay, So then now that pushes
Speaker 1: him back even more as far as his progression is concerned.
Speaker 1: And now once he finally gets a chance to get
Speaker 1: a number of consecutive games on this belt, he's shown
Speaker 1: us what he can do and why they brought him here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's looking pretty good. Will McClay looking pretty
Speaker 1: good in regards to uh finding players. Beckn helped push
Speaker 1: this team along even doing this these tough times. You know,
Speaker 1: the other thing about playing in December and we got it,
Speaker 1: we're up against it. We need to go to a
Speaker 1: break here in a second. But the other thing to
Speaker 1: keep in mind, and I'm looking it up right now,
Speaker 1: is Mike McCarthy in his first year with the Green
Speaker 1: Bay Packers. Okay, they finished eight and eight in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, and what did he do in December
Speaker 1: that year? The last four games? They started the year
Speaker 1: four and eight, and they won their last four games
Speaker 1: in December to finish at eight and eight. And then
Speaker 1: what they do the following season fourteen and two? There
Speaker 1: you go, and we're ended up in Dallas and we're overtime.
Speaker 1: I'm away from going to the Super Bowl. Uh, in
Speaker 1: the NFC title game against the Giants. They actually were
Speaker 1: thirteen and three, but that was close enough, Mickey, all right,
Speaker 1: I thought I had it. And of course that was
Speaker 1: the year. Of course that was oh seven more bad
Speaker 1: Cowboys memories when the Giants beat the Cowboys and then
Speaker 1: the Giants go to Green Bay and three. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: we were the Packers and the Cowboys were both thirteen
Speaker 1: and three that year that but anyway, there you go,
Speaker 1: and it says a lot about McCarthy in his first year,
Speaker 1: UH season, much like this one, where it's kind of
Speaker 1: going down the tubes and they finished strong and then
Speaker 1: they parlayed that into a pretty nice little run that
Speaker 1: he had in Green Bay, I'm gonna call Bill Parselves
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna call Bill Parcels and tell him Bill
Speaker 1: Jones disagrees with you. You are who you are at Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: That's trying. That's exactly right. Yeah, good point Parcels didn't
Speaker 1: know everything. Yeah yeah, Hey, hey, hey, Wat's out now,
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Speaker 1: Live FX video board during the game. Mickey is sitting
Speaker 1: there perusing something. Not to get into your business there, Mickey, Yeah,
Speaker 1: has something to do with the show. I was making
Speaker 1: sure I had. I was making sure I had to
Speaker 1: read for the next break. There you go, all right, Jerry,
Speaker 1: he was on the radio this morning. Any highlights that
Speaker 1: you gleaned from Jerry's weekly appearance on the fan Yeah.
Speaker 1: The last thing he said, as they say there's a
Speaker 1: pony in here somewhere. I don't think i've heard that
Speaker 1: one before I have. What does that mean? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: What was the context? It was? It was? It was
Speaker 1: they were talking. They finished talking about, uh, not only
Speaker 1: the possibility of having a playoff game at AT and
Speaker 1: T Stadium, but also a Cotton Bowl and a Rose Bowl. Uh.
Speaker 1: And to think that the stadium's gonna host could host
Speaker 1: all three of those within a week's time. Uh and
Speaker 1: uh and and they were just talking to playoff possibilities
Speaker 1: for the cowboys, and he said, as they say, there's
Speaker 1: a pony in there somewhere. I heard the story. So
Speaker 1: we got, well, yeah, what Jerry's say. What Jerry's saying
Speaker 1: is I'm going to make some money off of this
Speaker 1: some kind of way. I'm making some money off of something. Um.
Speaker 1: And then he also so he not only did he
Speaker 1: inject the pony into his segment, but he also injected
Speaker 1: the buzzards into the segment. And we've heard that one before,
Speaker 1: sitting on a fence and waiting for kind of something
Speaker 1: to come by for food, and one patient being patient
Speaker 1: and everything, and one of the buzzers to turn to
Speaker 1: the other one said, uh, to hell with patients, I'm
Speaker 1: going to kill something. And it was it was all right,
Speaker 1: and that one. It's important to talk about the context
Speaker 1: he was talking about Moore. Yeah, and you know, Stephen
Speaker 1: had pointed out sometimes when these opportunities come, sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to be patient. Uh, and kind of pointed out,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of kicked it off back and forth.
Speaker 1: I guess we really didn't talk about it that much
Speaker 1: yesterday about Kellen have looking like he to have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to take the head coaching job at Boise State,
Speaker 1: And you know, I see both sides of that obviously.
Speaker 1: You know, we'd all like to go victoriously back home
Speaker 1: and do something great. But then also when you've set
Speaker 1: the bar as high as he has as a player
Speaker 1: at Boise State, you're better be careful because they might
Speaker 1: expect that as you as a head coach. Now you
Speaker 1: probably expect that as yourself of yourself. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing is is what if you continue to do
Speaker 1: what you've been doing for these two years as an
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in the NFL. I don't think teams have
Speaker 1: any problems hiring a thirty four year old head coach
Speaker 1: these days. And I think you have to just decide
Speaker 1: what's what's where's your priority light Is it in college
Speaker 1: or would you want to do it in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He has head coaching in his genes right. His dad's
Speaker 1: a head coach. And I don't remember if I told
Speaker 1: you guys this story, but his grandfather was a decorated
Speaker 1: high school basketball coach in the state of Illinois. He
Speaker 1: had gone to Western Illinois, earned his degree and start
Speaker 1: coaching high school basketball. And I didn't know this until
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore showed up and one of my college roommates
Speaker 1: informed me of it because he knew about the Washington
Speaker 1: history of the Moors that his grandfather and this was
Speaker 1: way before I was in high school actually won these
Speaker 1: awards coaching high school basketball at my high school. If
Speaker 1: you can believe that, we go all the way back,
Speaker 1: and you know, he talked about coming in. You know,
Speaker 1: where the town I lived, there was a forest preserved
Speaker 1: between the next town and that's where his grandparents lived
Speaker 1: and they used to go there to visit back in
Speaker 1: the day. So anyway, there's head coaching in his genes
Speaker 1: all the way back to his grandfather. I have to say,
Speaker 1: if I'm in Kellen's position, you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: going back home and coaching for an alma model where
Speaker 1: you were a legend. That's one thing. But he's still young,
Speaker 1: you know, to sit up here and say, Okay, it's
Speaker 1: time for me to go back home at thirty four
Speaker 1: years old, thirty two. Trust me, Borisi States a great school,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure with him being there that that's his place.
Speaker 1: He feels comfortable there, and of course it depends on
Speaker 1: what goes on with his family situation and how that works.
Speaker 1: We never really consider that, but of course the coaches
Speaker 1: always do have to consider that. But when I look
Speaker 1: at Kellen's ascension into UH, into his position where he
Speaker 1: is now, and then maybe even going further on as
Speaker 1: a head coach for the NFL, to me, that's the
Speaker 1: possibility for him in regards to going back. If you
Speaker 1: want to go back home, man, you got plenty of
Speaker 1: time god willing to go back home, you know, wait
Speaker 1: till you're around fifty years old or something like that.
Speaker 1: But to go back to be a head coach at
Speaker 1: Boysey State right while you still have a chance to
Speaker 1: make them make big noise in the NFL, to me,
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. But like I said, that depends
Speaker 1: on his family situation and what his ideals are. I
Speaker 1: have high ideals for him that he will be a
Speaker 1: head coach in the NFL, you know. And the other
Speaker 1: thing you have to consider is he's got to ask himself,
Speaker 1: am I ready to be a head coach? You know?
Speaker 1: It's one thing to be a coordinator, and we've seen
Speaker 1: how teams have promoted coordinators to become head coaches, right
Speaker 1: and they're not head coach material. They're great coordinators. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not. Is he ready after two
Speaker 1: years as a coordinator, one year as a quarterback coach
Speaker 1: to be a head coach and take on a program?
Speaker 1: Does he know enough people to hire a staff? And
Speaker 1: that's one of the things they'll ask you, you know
Speaker 1: what kind of staff you're gonna put together? So he
Speaker 1: has to ask himself those things. And you know what
Speaker 1: I always remembered did sometimes you do have to be patient.
Speaker 1: You remember when Mike Zimmert interviewed for the head coaching
Speaker 1: job at Nebraska and he decided, no, I don't think
Speaker 1: I liked that situation. He stayed. Remember when Sean Payton
Speaker 1: interviewed for the Raiders' head coaching job and he felt
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with the Al Davis situation there and the fact
Speaker 1: that they didn't have a quarterback and he felt like
Speaker 1: this just isn't right, and he remained with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And the same thing with Jason Garrett when he was
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator and he interviewed at Baltimore and they
Speaker 1: were offering him the job and he turned it down
Speaker 1: because he felt like head coach of the Cowboys was
Speaker 1: in his future at some point. So yeah, we always
Speaker 1: have to ask those guys where they're at in their
Speaker 1: coaching careers and not just take the job. To take
Speaker 1: the job, because the last place you want to do
Speaker 1: is go I have war. It's a coaching you know
Speaker 1: you're it's a coach killer. And I remember this story
Speaker 1: and then I'll let you go back in. When I
Speaker 1: got to Jackson, Mississippi. Uh, Steve Sloan had been the
Speaker 1: head coach at Texas Tech, right, and uh he was.
Speaker 1: He was Bear Bryant's might as well been his son, right,
Speaker 1: And Bear Bryant advised him, don't go to Old Miss.
Speaker 1: It's a coach killing spot for you. And he didn't listen.
Speaker 1: Parcels went to Army instead of going to Old Miss
Speaker 1: with him, or went to Vanderbilt. I know they came
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt, sorry, And and he went to Old Miss
Speaker 1: and it was a coach killer. He couldn't win there.
Speaker 1: And he didn't listen to Daddy Bryant at that time,
Speaker 1: and he should have. So sometimes you got to look
Speaker 1: at the situation not to just to say I want
Speaker 1: to be a head coach. Right. I told you I
Speaker 1: got one. I was there. I saw it as soon
Speaker 1: as he won the Super Bowl twenty five in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one, Parsels has an angio plastic. In the off season,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick has gone to Cleveland. We had a running
Speaker 1: back coach named Ray Hanley. Ray Handley after the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl was going to be promoted immediately to offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: and that did happen. Right after he was promoted to
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, that's when Parcels had the angio plastic. Right,
Speaker 1: So now you're stuck with no head coach. George Young
Speaker 1: decides to reach back for a puppet. He thought Ray
Speaker 1: Handley would be that great puppet for him because he
Speaker 1: never thought George did that he could run the team.
Speaker 1: While Parcels was there, they were always button heads. So
Speaker 1: now George Young saw an opportunity to have a guy
Speaker 1: there that he didn't have to butt heads with it
Speaker 1: he could control. Well. We ended up missing the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that year and the year after that, and when
Speaker 1: it was all said and done, Ray Hanley was not
Speaker 1: just roasted. His entire life was turned upside down in
Speaker 1: regards to rumors and things of that nature. And so
Speaker 1: it just got real ugly. So, like you said, This
Speaker 1: is a caution every tale for Keller Moore, it ain't
Speaker 1: always rosy on the other side, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Some things can happen to where everything can go off
Speaker 1: the rails, and that's exactly what happened with Ray Hanley. Okay. Ever,
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this, if Belichick had not
Speaker 1: taken the Brown's job when that happened with Parcels, would
Speaker 1: Belichick had been the interim guy or was he not
Speaker 1: of the not what George Young was looking at. As
Speaker 1: far as me and a puppet, let me let me
Speaker 1: say this, Belichick is more of a When I say
Speaker 1: company man, I mean he's very devout to his superiors.
Speaker 1: He's very devout to the owners and things of that nature. Sure,
Speaker 1: if he would have taken that job, I think he
Speaker 1: and George Young would have had fewer fights, you know,
Speaker 1: fewer uproars between the two than what Paulsall has had.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if Belichick didn't like it
Speaker 1: after one year, he would have been out of there.
Speaker 1: He would have been out of there because he would
Speaker 1: have known right away if this was a situation for him.
Speaker 1: If I would Belichick, and if I would have step
Speaker 1: into his shoes. I would not have taken the job
Speaker 1: under George Young just because of his nature. And that's
Speaker 1: why Pause sells left as well. The other thing as
Speaker 1: far as Kellen Moore. The other thing as far as
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore is concerned. Obviously, when you're looking at a
Speaker 1: college job, it's a different whole job than what coach.
Speaker 1: Being a head coach in the NFL is And I
Speaker 1: don't know how much Kellen Moore would enjoy the recruiting
Speaker 1: aspect of it. You know, people talk about Lincoln Riley
Speaker 1: being a potential NFL coach. Here's the difference as I
Speaker 1: see Kellen Moore and Lincoln Riley. A Kellen Moore for
Speaker 1: the last nine years has been cutting his teeth in
Speaker 1: the NFL at first as a player, then as an
Speaker 1: assistant coach, then as a coordinator, and so he knows
Speaker 1: intimately how the NFL works. Okay, he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: same connections as far as recruiting goes Lincoln Riley has
Speaker 1: had always He's never stepped on an NFL campus. He's
Speaker 1: always groomed himself from when he was a freshman in
Speaker 1: college to be a college head coach. And he loves
Speaker 1: the recruiting aspect of it. He recruits great because he
Speaker 1: loves it. I mean that is sort of his lifeblood.
Speaker 1: And so that would be something that Kellen Moore would
Speaker 1: have to ask himself, how much would I really like
Speaker 1: the recruiting part of it? Go ahead, Mickey, No, I
Speaker 1: was just going to finish the segment off by saying,
Speaker 1: speaking of Belichick, did you see the phone throwing incident
Speaker 1: last night? Yes, even my wife saw that. He's like,
Speaker 1: what does that? And the camera's caught it. It is great.
Speaker 1: I don't even can't. I can't believe somebody up in
Speaker 1: the coach's booth suggested to him that they should challenge that.
Speaker 1: You could see. All they had to do is look
Speaker 1: at the first replay. It was obvious it was a catch, right,
Speaker 1: and he's chewing the guy off. He could tell he's
Speaker 1: chewing them out. Afterwards, and he takes the phone and boom,
Speaker 1: throws it against the phone bank. That's one thing about
Speaker 1: these masks. They you cannot read lips in these masks, okay,
Speaker 1: and I think the coaches are really taking advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Sometime you can't read lips, but you can see veins
Speaker 1: bulging out of foreheads. All right, we continue with more
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Speaker 1: mick shots. We got about eight minutes or so to
Speaker 1: go the other thing, one of the other things that
Speaker 1: Jerry jobs get two because I talk buzzards and ponies.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right, klid you tomore on Jerry Zack Martin.
Speaker 1: Unlikely this week, but there's hope in the postseason, yes,
Speaker 1: he said, for the future. There is there is a possibility.
Speaker 1: So h you know, we we get a chance to
Speaker 1: see those guys do their rehab outside with Britt Brown
Speaker 1: and they're on the Resistance chords and somebody had asked
Speaker 1: me about them last week and I said, oh, he
Speaker 1: doesn't look like you know, he's doing those side steps
Speaker 1: that they have him do as well as maybe some
Speaker 1: of the other guys. So I figured he was a
Speaker 1: little further behind. So we'll see how he's doing this week.
Speaker 1: If it's improved. And I have to met that's one
Speaker 1: of the things that I have to do my rehab.
Speaker 1: They put these elastic bang bands around both ankles or
Speaker 1: one around both and you do sidesteps and when you
Speaker 1: squat down and do those for about ten each way.
Speaker 1: It's difficult. So when I see those guys on those
Speaker 1: resistant chords, I'm going, Kyle, that's so easy. What are
Speaker 1: they doing? You know? That doesn't seem like it takes
Speaker 1: much effort. Oh, it takes some effort, believe me. I
Speaker 1: gotta say, Spags, you should just from a personal standpoint,
Speaker 1: you should continue with those bands even as your achilles
Speaker 1: starts to feel bad. Excellent work out for you. My
Speaker 1: son does them all the time. The small tendons always
Speaker 1: good to keep those in shape, especially as we get
Speaker 1: older and our bones start to get a little bit weaker.
Speaker 1: We need those tendons and muscles to be just a
Speaker 1: little bit stronger as we go forward. But I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, did you guys hear what the zeke said
Speaker 1: yesterday in regards to how good he felt as opposed
Speaker 1: to the other during the other periods of the season.
Speaker 1: He had kind of mentioned that he had been hurting
Speaker 1: and hadn't said much to anyone about how sore and
Speaker 1: then hurting he has been throughout the entire season. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if a hundred yards, if one hundred
Speaker 1: yard game helps you feel better, or do you feel
Speaker 1: better and that's why you had the hundred yard game.
Speaker 1: But either way, he seems to be feeling a whole
Speaker 1: lot better right now in regards to physically and where
Speaker 1: his head is at right now. Looking for with him
Speaker 1: coming out this weekend and having a really Zekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: type of type of game this weekend. You know the
Speaker 1: other thing that he said after the game, and I
Speaker 1: thought this was very I don't know if people know
Speaker 1: who Zeke is. I don't know if they know what's
Speaker 1: in his heart or just his inner feelings. And he
Speaker 1: really doesn't a lot, a lot allow a lot out.
Speaker 1: But you know, he was asked after the game what
Speaker 1: gave him confidence that they could possibly playing for something
Speaker 1: meaningful in the last game of the season, and he said,
Speaker 1: because I'm a competitor. If you gave up five six
Speaker 1: weeks ago, you shouldn't even be We don't even want
Speaker 1: you on our side. I mean, we are competitors. The
Speaker 1: whole team is we are a team of competitors, I mean,
Speaker 1: and we aren't out of it, you know. And then
Speaker 1: he kind of explained what they had to do next
Speaker 1: to be able to get in and needing some help,
Speaker 1: and as he said at the end, he goes, I
Speaker 1: think we are catching fire at the right time, so
Speaker 1: we'll see. But when I when he said that, I
Speaker 1: was a little surprised that he was that outspoken. But
Speaker 1: but he's right, right, I mean, Tyrone Crawford said the
Speaker 1: same thing. He goes, you know, until they say eliminated
Speaker 1: on the message board, I'm not eliminated. And and and
Speaker 1: that's the way you got to play. And you know what, somehow,
Speaker 1: some way they bought into this. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what causes takeaways the way they've had these last three weeks,
Speaker 1: you know, and you can't coach them. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can do drills, but they just kind of happen, right,
Speaker 1: But I think if you're playing hard and you're still competing,
Speaker 1: that maybe you get ten takeaways in three games, it
Speaker 1: seems improbable. And without those takeaways, they don't win. They
Speaker 1: don't win three games. Everybody knows, well, what's the difference. Well,
Speaker 1: when you get ten takeaways and you're a plus nine,
Speaker 1: my goodness, you'd have to really screw up to not
Speaker 1: win those games when you're getting at least three every game.
Speaker 1: Is what they did three, three and four. So they
Speaker 1: kept playing, you know, and whatever happens on Sunday happens,
Speaker 1: I get it, but at least they made it interesting
Speaker 1: to the bitter end. If it's bitter, I gotta say, spag.
Speaker 1: The only the only thing I disagree with you on
Speaker 1: is yes, you do know why they started getting the turnovers.
Speaker 1: It's because everything the game plan itself started to work.
Speaker 1: Talk I always talk about critical moments doing a game,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys have honed in on that we talked
Speaker 1: about last this past game, you could clearly see that
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore's approach to this game was to be successful
Speaker 1: on first down and consequently, as much as I've been
Speaker 1: on his butt, Mike Nolan's defensive strategy was also the same.
Speaker 1: Let's win the first down and also, even more important,
Speaker 1: let's get that third down, because regardless of how many
Speaker 1: yards we give up, how many points we give up,
Speaker 1: we give those up because we're not successful mostly on
Speaker 1: third down. You know how many times we've allowed the
Speaker 1: team to be successful on third down, either by our
Speaker 1: mistake covering a guy or our mistakes and penalties. So
Speaker 1: it seems like we've cut that out. Very few penalties
Speaker 1: in the secondary of this past weekend. Therefore, a very
Speaker 1: few third down successes for the Philadelphia Eagles. So, yes, bags,
Speaker 1: you do know how those interceptions come because instead of
Speaker 1: us putting pressure on ourselves, we put pressure on the opposition.
Speaker 1: You don't just do that from the defensive line, you
Speaker 1: do that from strategy. So that's how we started getting
Speaker 1: these interceptions. And you know what, there's another mention a
Speaker 1: third down. Going into that game, they were giving up
Speaker 1: third down conversions at fifty percent rate. Fifty fifty if
Speaker 1: if if if if if, if you as a team
Speaker 1: are converting like thirty five to forty percent of your
Speaker 1: third downs, you're sitting there going out. Really, you're good,
Speaker 1: You're successful. They were given fifty percent, and I think
Speaker 1: in the game it ended up being fifty percent again
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, or at least close to it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but what happened after that first drive? After
Speaker 1: that first drive, then that's when things got a little
Speaker 1: bit dicier. After the after the second quarter and even
Speaker 1: to the second half, they were a lot more successful
Speaker 1: on third downs. So uh, they they converted seven of
Speaker 1: seventeen forty one percent, but I bet at the first
Speaker 1: half it was a lot higher than that. Let's see
Speaker 1: own efficiency Philadelphia was five of eight sixty two the
Speaker 1: first half. So yeah, And you know the other thing
Speaker 1: they did defensively, and you talked about game plan is
Speaker 1: when they got into those third down situations, they rushed
Speaker 1: three guys, kept three two linebackers and six dbs and
Speaker 1: use CJ. Goodwin to kind of keep an eye on
Speaker 1: the quarterback. He would have been one of the few
Speaker 1: guys in the team that had the speed to be
Speaker 1: able to run with Jalen Hurts. And I think, as
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan said, it did accomplished two things. One that
Speaker 1: they had somebody that if Jalen Hurts took off, that
Speaker 1: could run with them. And two, because Jalen Hurts realized
Speaker 1: there was someone to run with him, he was less
Speaker 1: likely to jump outside the pocket. He did not know
Speaker 1: where to throw the ball, and then he had he
Speaker 1: did not know where to throw the ball. Exactly right.
Speaker 1: That's right. You know another thing and we're out time,
Speaker 1: but I want to throw it in there going ahead
Speaker 1: and punting the ball on fourth and one, thinking of
Speaker 1: you on that play, all right, first quarter, you're down,
Speaker 1: you're down fourteen to three, and there have been times
Speaker 1: this season your fourth and one at your own thirty
Speaker 1: four yard line, and you feel like you gotta do
Speaker 1: something because you don't trust your defense to stop them,
Speaker 1: and so you got to do more than what is necessary,
Speaker 1: all right, And they went ahead and punting the ball
Speaker 1: away from their own thirty four, and the Eagles started
Speaker 1: their drive at the fourteen yard line. You flipped the
Speaker 1: field on them. They started their own fourteen. They ran
Speaker 1: it three times three and out they punt it, and
Speaker 1: now you're getting the ball back at your own thirty seven,
Speaker 1: and you put together a sixty three yard touchdown drive
Speaker 1: and the rest, as they say, is history. And then
Speaker 1: down on the goal line in the second quarter, you
Speaker 1: were third and goal at the one. You had the busted,
Speaker 1: the mental bust, whatever it was where Dalton had to
Speaker 1: run it. And now your fourth and goal at the two.
Speaker 1: Rather than going forward on fourth and goal at the two,
Speaker 1: go ahead and kick your field goal, take your points,
Speaker 1: and you're not trying to do too much to help
Speaker 1: your defense. You know when they when they had that play,
Speaker 1: looking at him, and I saw the way the offense
Speaker 1: started it. If a game, I was sitting there going, oh,
Speaker 1: if they punt here, it's gonna be twenty one to three,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there going, maybe you need to
Speaker 1: go one more thing. We always had ever saying one
Speaker 1: more thing. I love Dalton. I love Andy Dalton's interview gear.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's from the Grease Broadway play. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's got the right coat on. He's got his head
Speaker 1: looking all cool. I'm like, who is this guy? John,
Speaker 1: I'm Travolta. What the hell's going on here? Well, we're
Speaker 1: staying alive, staying alive, So that's why he's got the
Speaker 1: jan staying alive. Right, all right, that does it. It
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