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Speaker 1: through some of your old reports, little hits and mrs.

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Speaker 1: we had McAlister and we might have had Smart Roll

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. And so in that case, like Rex,

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Speaker 1: Ryan was trying to sell the room on Michael Huff

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Speaker 1: and the way he did it. He got up on

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Speaker 1: the boarders like, look if we draft Michael Huff. And

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Speaker 1: at this time, you know a lot of teams doing

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Speaker 1: this now, but at this time this was crazy. He's like,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna play with three safeties. We're gonna play with

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Speaker 1: three safeties, and Michael Hut's gonna be blind up here.

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Speaker 1: And he showed us how he would be used in

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Speaker 1: the in the system and how and it was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: So now as a as a scouting department, we can

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Speaker 1: look at and say, if we bring this player in,

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Speaker 1: we know how we're going to use him and what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do. And I think that's one of the reasons,

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Speaker 1: quite honestly, the Ravens have been as good drafting players

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Speaker 1: as anybody else, because, um, they tried to bring in

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Speaker 1: a guy into the building that they don't already have

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Speaker 1: a plan for. Yeah, you have to have a plan.

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Speaker 1: I think we can look right now at Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: plan for him. Now, I don't know if this was

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Speaker 1: the plan that they had when they drafted him, but

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Speaker 1: I think you it is clear to see that the

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens have built the team with Lamar Jackson in mind.

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Speaker 1: You talked about a you need to surround him with

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Speaker 1: a track team, where they went and got a track

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Speaker 1: team and surrounded him with a track team, like they're

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Speaker 1: as fast as any team on the perimeter. With Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Brown kind of being the headliner. Then, because he's inaccurate,

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Speaker 1: he meant to him some big buddy tight ends to

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Speaker 1: make sure that he's comfortable he can hit it over

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Speaker 1: the middlefield where they got a couple of thays of

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Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst and Mark Andrews. Then you think about the

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Speaker 1: scheme and what they did is, rather than fit Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson into their scheme, they took Lamar Jackson said Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll build the scheme around him. And we're seeing Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson in the second year looks like a standout player.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a dominant performer. And it's because everyone

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Speaker 1: in the building understands the plan that is laid out

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Speaker 1: for this player. Yeah, who's had the most success of

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Speaker 1: any athletic quarterback over the last fifteen years? Probably it's

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick and you know, almost winning a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with the forty Niners. So you're the Ravens. Who do

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Speaker 1: you have calling plays? Well, how about Great Roman, the

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Speaker 1: guy who was helping to call plays for Colin Kaepernick.

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Speaker 1: So get somebody that's very comfortable there, uh in that

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Speaker 1: scheme and and uh and very very good fit there.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to uh, my conversation with David

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Speaker 1: Pellock onan he's been at Notre Dame going back to

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Speaker 1: the year two thousand and and really been a part

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Speaker 1: of some of the best team building. And that's one

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Speaker 1: of the things we like to focus on the movie

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Speaker 1: Sticks podcast. It's team building doesn't matter necessarily always have

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Speaker 1: to be NFL teams, we can college teams. Eventually. I

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Speaker 1: like to to branch out even to other sports. But

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Speaker 1: just how you build your roster, how you build your team,

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Speaker 1: and how do you identify the right people, um, things

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Speaker 1: that will be discussed here in the interview I had

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Speaker 1: with David Pelloquin from Notre Dame. I hope you enjoy well, David.

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Speaker 1: First question for me, I want to get to, uh,

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Speaker 1: the reasons and that you give kids to convince them

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Speaker 1: to come to day. But I want to start with

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Speaker 1: with your decision to attend Notre Dame. Why did you

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Speaker 1: you just send to go to decide to go to

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Speaker 1: South Bend. Uh? You know, I was lucky had an

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Speaker 1: older brother that was in school here, and you know

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Speaker 1: how that older brother pressure goes. Sometimes they put you

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Speaker 1: in a headlock or all the things that older brothers do,

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Speaker 1: So that was kind of the key to come here.

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Speaker 1: But in the end, it was really the humble of

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Speaker 1: you know, the education that you get in the type

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Speaker 1: of people that you're around here. Notre Dame. Oh you've

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Speaker 1: been there since two thousand and why don't you just

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Speaker 1: walk us through, uh, your kind of your evolution of

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Speaker 1: your role and how it grew in this in a

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Speaker 1: personnel department space, which at that point in time, I

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Speaker 1: gotta believe was pretty brand new around college football. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's been a fun journey, unique in its

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Speaker 1: own way. Uh. You you you spot on right there.

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Speaker 1: It's changed a lot over the years from a personnel

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Speaker 1: standpoint and a recruiting standpoint. So I was I was

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Speaker 1: lucky enough and I started off as a student manager,

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Speaker 1: and so my sophomore junior year I worked with the quarterbacks. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and then senior year I was lucky enough to be

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Speaker 1: the head senior manager. And at that time, at that point,

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Speaker 1: I was on full scholarship, So you didn't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of OPS people or interns. We had one recruiting person,

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Speaker 1: one OPS person and that was it with two g as.

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Speaker 1: So I was lucky enough to be a part of

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Speaker 1: that staff that was with coach Tyrone Willingham at the time.

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Speaker 1: And got out of out of sports kind of was

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Speaker 1: going to get in the financial world for a little bit. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Played with that, uh, and then it was lucky Coach

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Speaker 1: William called me back about seven eight months later asked

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Speaker 1: if I want to come back as an intern. So

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Speaker 1: again it was it was myself two g a's support

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Speaker 1: staff of five people at that time at that point

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Speaker 1: running recruiting and so works with Ron on his staff.

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Speaker 1: And it was lucky enough to stick around with Charlie

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Speaker 1: Weiss and his group for five years and that staff

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Speaker 1: and then I'm going on to your ten here with

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Speaker 1: Coach Kelly and his staff. So my my my role

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Speaker 1: has changed. I've always had a little bit of influence

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Speaker 1: in recruiting from day one and still do today. And

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of grown as I've been here through

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Speaker 1: my years. I know your responsibility has grown, But how

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Speaker 1: much more help is there in the department You mentioned

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Speaker 1: just a couple of guys there when you started. How

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Speaker 1: big is is this staff in this department now? For

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. You know, we we we put a lot

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Speaker 1: to on our on our students. We use them a

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Speaker 1: lot and what we're doing, so you know, including them,

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Speaker 1: we have we have six to seven full time people

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Speaker 1: that work in the recruiting office, shall we say a

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Speaker 1: slash personnel UM that handle kind of the day to

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Speaker 1: day operations from a recruiting standpoint and our personnel. So

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Speaker 1: that's gotten a lot begger bigger and uh. And obviously

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Speaker 1: we rely on our students to do everything that we do,

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Speaker 1: UM coming in for game days, when we have large

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Speaker 1: groups of kids coming on campus, you know, we really

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Speaker 1: do rely on them and their key component of what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. So it's definitely grown. Uh, the game hasn't

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Speaker 1: changed a little bit. It's just gotten a little bit

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Speaker 1: bigger and more emphasis on it. It's still you know,

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Speaker 1: we we go back to the same questions we talked

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Speaker 1: about ten fifteen years ago of the type of student

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Speaker 1: athletes that you want in your program and the type

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Speaker 1: of student athletes that that will develop your Notre dame.

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Speaker 1: So that that course, say, is the same. You know,

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Speaker 1: the recruiting aspect and the personnel aspect has changed. We

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Speaker 1: really dial it into four different components, you know, prospect identification,

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Speaker 1: prospect evaluation. Uh. When we talk about than the recruiting

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Speaker 1: side of it, which should be marketing and customer service,

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Speaker 1: we kind of compartmentalize all four of those underneath the

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Speaker 1: one unit of what we're trying to do when we're

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Speaker 1: building the class here. Well, it's very fascinating. I'm interested

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Speaker 1: to know how things have evolved in chains in terms

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Speaker 1: of recruiting and what you guys are looking for. I

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Speaker 1: was at that National championship game against Alabama and I saw,

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Speaker 1: you know, Alabama come out of the tunnel. I believe

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Speaker 1: that was like d J. Fluker and Chance Warmack. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this was a big, physical offensive line that you guys

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Speaker 1: went up against. But if you put a marker in

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Speaker 1: the ground after that game and look at the offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: you guys have been able to identify, recruit and develop

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Speaker 1: once they got there on campus. I don't know anybody's

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Speaker 1: done it better than you guys have since that period

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Speaker 1: of time. What was there any kind of a shift

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Speaker 1: after that after that game or what changed? Were you

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Speaker 1: guys are just pumping out elite first round pick after

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Speaker 1: first round pick along the offensive line? It was an

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Speaker 1: eye opener. I mean Coach Kelly said it before and

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Speaker 1: anybody that was on staff and part of that game, Um,

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Speaker 1: you could you could see the difference in the in

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Speaker 1: the physical size of of what Alabama had to what

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Speaker 1: we had, what we were playing with. UM. Definitely, the

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Speaker 1: size standpoint was was key, and what we were trying

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Speaker 1: to do and and setting those minimum criteria of what

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Speaker 1: we were looking for was was It was part of it.

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Speaker 1: And I think the development phase of trying to get

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Speaker 1: and project a little bit down the line of of

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Speaker 1: the type of guys that we see, Okay, in year

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Speaker 1: four and in year five, what will they be and

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Speaker 1: how good a players they will be? In that line

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Speaker 1: of of prospects that you're talking about, we really have

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Speaker 1: been lucky of those guys, the Mike McGlinchey, the Quintin Nelson. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you go to Ronnie Stanley, Zach Martin, Nick Martin that

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Speaker 1: those kind of those kind of guys really kind of

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Speaker 1: developed later in their career, which was good that we

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Speaker 1: could get them in and then work on that physical

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Speaker 1: development into their fourth and fifth years. I look at

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Speaker 1: a guy like Quenton Nelson and I remember obviously how

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Speaker 1: physical he was for you guys are a notre Damely

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Speaker 1: he's the best run blocker I've ever evaluated. And then

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Speaker 1: excuse me, I see what he's done at the NFL level, UM,

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Speaker 1: and I see him getting all over people. I'm curious,

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Speaker 1: what the heck did he look like in high school

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Speaker 1: against fifteen and sixteen year old kids. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: going back to Quentin's kind of recruitment, Uh, he he

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Speaker 1: came in the spring maybe of his junior year, and

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Speaker 1: he had those big, big broad shoulders, and Quinton at

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Speaker 1: that time was it was a quiet, really kind of reserved,

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Speaker 1: aware of what was going on. But his dad, Uh, Craig,

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Speaker 1: Who's Who's an awesome, awesome guy in there. He really

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Speaker 1: comes from an awesome family, Craig and Mary Ellen and

614
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Speaker 1: Craig how I have this personality to him. So you

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Speaker 1: could see where Quentin was going to get from a

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Speaker 1: physical side of things, and then really just his passion

617
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Speaker 1: for the game and being around it in the eyes

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Speaker 1: wide open when he was around one on ones and

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Speaker 1: watching the technique. You know, it's hard when you're at practice.

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Speaker 1: Most kids don't want to sit around and and and

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Speaker 1: be there for two and a half hours and watch

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Speaker 1: the end. And as guys are going back one on

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Speaker 1: one working on their past sets, working on the run

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00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: block situations, their hand placement, you know, Quentin's in there

625
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,959
Speaker 1: trying to soak up every last thing he could and

626
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: then asked our old line coach at the time every

627
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: question almost like pickling them with more and more. Where

628
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Speaker 1: the old line coach you could almost see it was

629
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Speaker 1: like is this kid gonna leave me alone or what?

630
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Speaker 1: But that was just a passion that he had, which

631
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Speaker 1: is what you can see through the transition through Quentin played.

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00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: It was just it came out and every down and

633
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Speaker 1: every snap that he was on the field. What you

634
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Speaker 1: guys have an identity as a tough football team? Mentioned

635
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Speaker 1: those offensive linement on the defensive line, You've pumped out

636
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: some really good players as well. In terms of toughness. Uh,

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Speaker 1: is that recruited? Is that more about finding tough kids

638
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Speaker 1: to bring them in or is it more about developing

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Speaker 1: that toughness in them once they rive on campus. I'd

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00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: say it's a it's a combination, aation of both. I

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Speaker 1: think when we're really going through our evaluation process, the

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Speaker 1: equation and one of the things that we're talking about, Okay,

643
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: what kind of family do they come from? Have they

644
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: had adversity? Uh? What type of school do they come from?

645
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: What is that program like? Is it structured from what

646
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: the meetings are gonna have to the weightlifting, So so

647
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: where is their football level Okay, coming in in the door,

648
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: and then is that is that going to be a

649
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: huge transition for them when they're here, and what the

650
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: expectations when what we're putting in front of them. And

651
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: then obviously having the confidence in our weight weight our

652
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning staff. Uh, coach Bayliss, who's here now,

653
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: is it does a phenomenal job of talking about it

654
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: and developing it on a day to day basis, and

655
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: really that toughness starts in January, the year before the

656
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: season starts, and in the years before kids are even

657
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: on the field of of talking about it. But even

658
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: coach Kelly is very animant about this when where our

659
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: staff means about tough gentleman, he really he believes in

660
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: it and and pushes it with our coaching staff of

661
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: really finding those guys that can do both and that

662
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: will be great representatives of Notre Dame. But show that

663
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: toughness on the field, they show that toughness around school

664
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: and what they're doing, and and the ability to grind

665
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: a little bit to show I know, the the hot

666
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: word around programs is grit and how do you really

667
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: determine that and sometimes we we look at the grind

668
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: that they have. Are they getting up in the morning

669
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: for school at six am and they gotta drive forty

670
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: five minutes to school and they're there for zero period

671
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: and then after school's over there there for weight room

672
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: and so forth. So some of that gets thrown in

673
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: the equation of when we're talking and really, okay, what

674
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: is the toughness of this young man that we're bringing in.

675
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: Is there anything you guys look at as a program

676
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: that's a that's a deal breaker that you'll say, Okay,

677
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't care how good this kid is. If if

678
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: this exists and we're out, he's not a Notre Dame

679
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: type of guy. Are there some kind of hard and

680
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: fast rules for you guys there? You know, it's really

681
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: kind of hard fast rule um set with one thing.

682
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: I think Coach is great where he gives h Coach

683
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: Kelly gives everybody a chance to kind of chime in. Okay,

684
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: And and and that might be our student ambassador that's

685
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: with them during during the day that they're here on

686
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: a trip. Uh could be myself, any one of our

687
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: staff members if they see something that doesn't fit and

688
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: obviously prospects and families when they're going through the recruiting.

689
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: They know they talk different to me than they do

690
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: the head coach, and and they talk and act a

691
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: little different around our student students and or student athletes.

692
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: You know. Going back to it, I guess the one

693
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: knock or the one say would be our players. We

694
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: put a lot of emphasis with the players and their feelings.

695
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: Do they fit in the locker room? What's their take?

696
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: What's their feedback? So if a young man's here, did

697
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: you like hanging out with them? Did you enjoy it?

698
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Did you see anything that happened? Did he fit in

699
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: with the other guys, was he by himself? Is there things?

700
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: So that would be I guess the one is really

701
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: the player feedback. And that's again a selling point to

702
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: for us that where we want these kids to be

703
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: around kids that are similar to them, the same type

704
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: of fit, the same type of culture that is at

705
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I think they get a feel for it.

706
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: And going back to our players, Okay, did you feel

707
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: that did you have any sense of of them and

708
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: or any question marks about them? We've talked a lot

709
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: about this building this program and mentioned some of the

710
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: great players you've had there I'm just curious, not the

711
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: best player, uh, since you've been there? Who's the best

712
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: leader at Notre Dame since you've since you've been there.

713
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: That's that's a tough question. We we really we had

714
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 1: a lot of good ones over the years, and and

715
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: it's it's funny that you say that I was kind

716
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: of acting as our I act as our pro liaison

717
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: with with the NFL scouts that coming in. And we

718
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: have a really unique team this year with seven captains

719
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: and all of and have kind of their own ability

720
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: to to shape and lead this team that we're on

721
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: right now. You know, over the years, it it really

722
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: Zack Martin really kind of comes to mind as as

723
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: far as the guy that lead from day one and

724
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: really did everything he could do to build himself up

725
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: and build his team with team being first. Um so,

726
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: so that would be the one. And even it's hard

727
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: to not include mike En Glinchy and Quintin Nelson as

728
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: two guys. We're talking a lot of old line, but

729
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: but those three guys over the past you know, five

730
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: years or so really kind of set the bar and

731
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: what we're doing. And I think too it helps and

732
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: we've learned through our teams, and our toughness starts up front.

733
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: And so if our old line is tough and they're

734
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: tough and practicing every day, that's gonna help our d

735
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: line and really set the tone for practice on how

736
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: how we want to be as a physical football team.

737
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: I have two more questions for you. The first one,

738
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: this is a fun one We've had talking to a

739
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: bunch of different folks that have been on the recruiting game,

740
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: that coaches, uh in the personnel department, what have you.

741
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: But just the best high school football player that you've

742
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: ever seen. It doesn't have to be somebody that came

743
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: to Notre Dame, but just in terms of tape or

744
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: seeing him live, just the best high school football player

745
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: you've ever laid eyes on it. I go back. I

746
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: mean Gerald McCoy that played at Oklahoma. We recruited him,

747
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: we had him here on an official visit. He by

748
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: far was just you know, almost dominant in high school

749
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't fair to the high school

750
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: kids that he was going against um and so he

751
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: he always sticks out to me as far as that

752
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: that dominant player I thought Percy Harvin was was was far,

753
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: far and above everybody else from a skill standpoint, those

754
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: two really stuck out of me. And and they're a

755
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: little farther back and a couple of years ago, but

756
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: those those are the two that that jump out of me.

757
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: I love that. I absolutely love it. All Right, We've

758
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: got a buddy that we have on all the time

759
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: and you know him well, Brady Quinn. So I need

760
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: I need some dirt, I need a story, I need

761
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: something that I can give Brady Quinn a hard time about.

762
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: What can you help me with here? You know, golden

763
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: boys hard. It's hard to touch the golden boy Brady Quinn. Wait,

764
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: hold on, first of all, that's what we call him now,

765
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: is a golden boy. Yeah, he's a good looking guy.

766
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: And it's hard. You know, even comes around here, everyone goes, wow,

767
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: he's a good looking guy. And that's that's everyone around

768
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: the football program. But uh, you know, I was I

769
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: was a student and when Brady was getting recruited out

770
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: of high school. Um, so we had some good times

771
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: with with Brady. And it actually his teammate, Chinna don

772
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: do quay, was from the same high school. So so

773
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: they would come around a bunch. Uh, it's hard to

774
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: get I mean, he's he's pretty stand up guy. I

775
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: guess I could maybe throw some poles in his golf game,

776
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: but always dressing good looking fine, you know, but it

777
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: maybe his golf game needs a little work. Maybe that's

778
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: what what we could say about Brady. All right, I'm

779
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna give him a hard time about that, And I

780
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,959
Speaker 1: know Claud's gonna give him a hard time then because

781
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: clad uh, he's calling golf now. So he's basically a

782
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: fifty fifty football golf guy. Hey man, I appreciate so

783
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: much your time today, and I do want to leave

784
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: you with this. Um. You've got a great choice in

785
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: names for your son. By the way, your son's name

786
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: is DJ. Appreciating, appreciate that. Yeah, it rolls well there

787
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: for you. Gonna be a study. I'll give you this

788
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: your podcast, I hope, so your podcast. I've used a

789
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: bunch as our players. When you've talked about kind of

790
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: the position and the traits that you look for. I've

791
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: given that like our D line. We have two really

792
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: good D lineman here and your D lineman about pass rush.

793
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: At that podcast you did, you had a couple of

794
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champions on there, some Hall of famers. I've

795
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: used that to give to those guys as they're trying

796
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: to kind of fine tone their craft and learn about

797
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: getting to the better um portions of being technical. So

798
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I've used that with them. So I appreciate you guys

799
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: having me on and a big fan two of of

800
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: what you guys are doing. Oh, that's very kind of you.

801
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Look forward to value and these

802
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: guys as we get to the spring, and look forward

803
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: to catching up with you down the road. Thanks, man,

804
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Sounds good. DJ, thanks for having me on. Alright, Black,

805
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: It's so great to catch up with these guys. Uh,

806
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, I really appreciate David's time. I think back

807
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: to the interview we had just a couple of weeks ago. Um,

808
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: we've been able to talk to people from different organizations,

809
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: be it you know, Notre Dame or is it Ohio State.

810
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: We've we've had guys from the top programs in the

811
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: country come on and give us a little bit of

812
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 1: that secret sauce, and I always feel like I learned something. Yeah. Look,

813
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: it's so informative because at the end of the day, DJ, like,

814
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: in our heart of hearts were Scouts and I think

815
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: we all steal harbor those those aspect races of dreams

816
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: of being able to put together a team. And so

817
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: every time you have an opportunity to talk to someone

818
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: who was in the mix, you're still trying to learn something.

819
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: And so to hear him talk about like the way

820
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: they put it together, whether it's recruiting UM as it

821
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: translates to like what we do when it comes to

822
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: drafting UM, I just think there's so many similarities, and so,

823
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: like I was really impressed. I'm really impressed with the

824
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: layout and they go about doing their business. And so

825
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we had a chance to have him

826
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 1: all because I feel like I come away a smarter

827
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: scout whenever we have these conversations. Fascinating to listen to him.

828
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: Mark Pantoni from Ohio State. If you haven't had a

829
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: chance to listen to that episode, I'd encourage you to

830
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that. I think you'll enjoy

831
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: his insights as well. Great look inside those programs and

832
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: why they've been so successful. All right, Buck, we've made it.

833
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's time for some hits and misses. I

834
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: don't can't, I don't even know if we still have

835
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: this drop anymore. And we used to have a drop.

836
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: Uh we could roll in there, but we might not

837
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: have that anymore. Can't you there? Yeah, I'm here. I

838
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: feel like I don't see it here. So we'll have

839
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: to add the hits and misses down the line. If

840
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: we do it again, we'll make sure to toss and drop.

841
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: It's been Oh we're doing it again. We'll do it again.

842
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: We'll do it again, all right. But as I mentioned,

843
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: some people on Twitter said they wanted this back. So Buck,

844
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you a report I got right and

845
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: a report I got wrong. I'm not gonna tell you

846
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: the name. You've got to figure out who it is. Uh, No, cheating.

847
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: If you're listening, don't, don't get on don't get on

848
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: Google and try and look up who these guys are.

849
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 1: I want you to figure it out yourself, all right, Buck,

850
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: this is the two thousand seven teen draft class. Okay,

851
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: So we talk about what we say forty starts before

852
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: we can make a determination. We're not quite there, but

853
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: we're close. Two plus, we've got four games, so we're

854
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: thirty six games into their career. So I'm gonna call

855
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: it you ready, Yeah, let's do it all right. This

856
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: guy's are running back three year contributor average sized bulk

857
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: for the position, but he's dripping with instincts, explosiveness, and versatility.

858
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,439
Speaker 1: As a runner, He's patient lets his blocking develop before

859
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: exploding through the line of scrimmage. Feet are always active,

860
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: and he can avoid defenders and tight quarters because of

861
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: his quickness. Doesn't have pushed the pile power, but once

862
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: he builds up speed, he can run through tackles at

863
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: the second third level of defense. Outstanding in the passing game,

864
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: runs clean routes plus the ball naturally. He looks sell

865
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: in the screen game at the next level and pass protection,

866
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: he's an effective cut blocker. Over All, this players are

867
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: perfect for the way the NFL game is played today.

868
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: He's an explosive play way to happen. Oh man, it's tough. Um,

869
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: let's see because originally two thousand seventeen, I think this

870
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: is too correct. Not two thousand eighteen Penny came out.

871
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: What draft class? What class was there? Is? He? Eighteen?

872
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: Is eighteen player? This is this is a this is

873
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: a hit. This is not a miss. This is a hit.

874
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: Oh see hit? You say for sure? Penny wasn't a hit. Yes,

875
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: actually is this is this? Is this a Christian McCaffrey

876
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: or Alvin Kamara deal? Uh? No, and no, And I

877
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: believe Kent got in my ear and that was his

878
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: guest as well, so he was guessing Alvin Camara. No,

879
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: this player was not a first round pick. But if

880
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: you've been watching the NFL this year, Oh, has he

881
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: been playing like a first round pick? Devin Cook? Dalvin Cook?

882
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: It is there you go. But Dalvin Cook, Dalvin Cook

883
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: was my fifteenth player, but he was the forty first

884
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: pick in that draft that's ended up looking like a

885
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: steel for the Minnesota Vikings. Well it wasn't steal you,

886
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: but you know, like I think other issues contributed to

887
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: his fault outside of the first round. Oh, I remember

888
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: all the stuff and and that on the field. On

889
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: the field, I think, and in fact, I wrote about

890
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: him last week. I had him, uh and I talking

891
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: to people. I had some people who told me they

892
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: had him as a better prospect than Leonard for net

893
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: and that was a big conversation. Was a big conversation.

894
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: Remember actually I remember you saying that back in the day.

895
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: But in terms of the way the NFL game has played,

896
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: he is a more kind of multidimensional NFL back he

897
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: can catch them all out the backfield screen game. We've

898
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: seen how he's been able to blend into this outside

899
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: zone scheme that they're running, which is really coming off

900
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: to the Kubiak system. Look, man, everything that you talked

901
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: about him is is absolutely correct. I think his best

902
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: football is ahead of him, even though he's had an

903
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: a c L in the past. I could just see

904
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: this guy lowing up and being really one of the

905
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: elite runners in that game. All right, that was that

906
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: was a hit buck. Uh? This one not so much.

907
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: Uh like a like a mulligan on this one. You're ready, yep, alright,

908
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: this player is a one year This is again there's

909
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: so many like when you read these things on MRS,

910
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: there are so many warning flags in these missus, and

911
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: it just it just shows you that I'm an idiot

912
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: because you didn't pick up on it. All Right, here

913
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: we go, Uh, one year starter at offensive tackle. That's

914
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: a warning sign. Good size and length for the position

915
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: and pass pro quick out of his stance. He Ben's

916
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: naturally has sharp, tight punch and firm acer does get

917
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: caught oversetting at times, which is produces some inside pressure

918
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: on the quarterback. Uh, good football where Andes is considering

919
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: his limited experience in the run game as knockoff power

920
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: shows some nasty to finish two and through the whistle.

921
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Uh does get over extended at times, but I love

922
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: his tenacity overall. This player has some things to clean up,

923
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: but he has starting left tackle ability. Oh what years

924
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: this again? This is we're living in the seventeen draft

925
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: class today. M H. It's tough for me, like to

926
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: hit some mrs and that it's not my forte because

927
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's it's a tough spot to be

928
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: in for you. Well, think about think about this guy.

929
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. You want some hints, you want

930
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: some hints? Okay? This player buck, This player was my

931
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: overall player. He was the twentie pick in that draft

932
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: and has had quite the struggle in his NFL career

933
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: to say the least. I'm trying to is it a

934
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: a F C West, Yeah, RFC West, a C West,

935
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: d J you know, helping me do No Colton Miller,

936
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: I believe it's eighteen draft class crossed that one. This player,

937
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: I believe it has led the league in holding penalties.

938
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: Seeing that that's all you had to say, because then

939
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: I can see Garrett Bowles. But yeah, like yeah, because

940
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: he struggled, I gotta make this hard. I took, I took,

941
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: I took a screenshot. One day, I was I was

942
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: here and I was watching TV and maybe on another

943
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: network they were talking about his struggles and holding it like,

944
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the amount of holding penalties that he has drawn. Wow,

945
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: it's a problem. But you know, there's a thing in

946
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: the evaluation. There were some questions about his strength already

947
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: be and people kind of passed it by because he

948
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: was so athletic. Yeah he's not strong, but he's so athletic.

949
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: He can move. But at some point it ends up

950
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: being a man's game where you gotta play in the

951
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: phone booth, and he wasn't strong enough to kind of

952
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: hold his own And what you're seeing is because he's

953
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: not strong enough, he has to clutch and grab, and

954
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: that's kind of like why you're seeing so many penalties

955
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: from him. He doesn't have the anchor. He doesn't have

956
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: the ability to kind of sit drop his weight and

957
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: slow people down to a bull rest him, and so

958
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: it leads it to a lot of abilities and he's

959
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: really been a killer for this office. Alright, so this

960
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: is a critical good assignment. This is like, um, if

961
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: you had scouting school students. Okay, so when you go

962
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: back through with a red pen and and read this report, right,

963
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: let me give you the let me give you the

964
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: warning signs. Like there's a phrase. I was talking to

965
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: a coach of the day he said, losing leaves clues.

966
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: So when you see a team that's losing, or an

967
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: organization that's losing, if you're around that team, around that organization,

968
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: go around the building, go to practice, he said, you'll

969
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: see the clues of why these teams aren't any good. Um.

970
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: And this is the same thing with the report. Right,

971
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: one year starter, that's a that's a concern. Uh gets

972
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: caught oversetting, that's a concern. UM does get overextended at times.

973
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: That's a concern. And then in the final line, which

974
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: is the overall summary, the final sense of the report

975
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: has some things to clean up, but he has starting ability. Well,

976
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: how about you don't take a player with that many

977
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: things to clean up in the first round. How about that?

978
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: How about we don't rake him as my twenty overall

979
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: player when he has so many things to clean up. Uh,

980
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: and that is uh, losing leaves clues and bad reports

981
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: leave clues as well. Buck. Yeah, it's hard because you

982
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: have to believe, you have to hang your hat on something.

983
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: You have to hang your hat on the research that

984
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: is done in the background. If you have too many reasons,

985
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: there too many things to kind of pop up as

986
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: being caution just cautionless. They may not be red flags,

987
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: but they're just like carsh unless you're like I can

988
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 1: blow through it at some point where there's smoke, there's fire,

989
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 1: and so as you investigate him and as you're tying

990
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: all these things together, sometimes it's better to pass and

991
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: go to the next one. Even though he's a very

992
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: very talented player. Uh, sometimes you can't get out of

993
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: his own way. And some of that stuff um was

994
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: identified in the run up to the draft in those

995
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: scouting reports. Yeah, I mean there, look, there are so

996
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: there's some things to like. He's a very talented player,

997
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: just um, he had issues in college and those have

998
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: have showed up. And I also think offensive line one

999
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: year starter offensive line, man, Uh, that's a major red flag. Um.

1000
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: You can go back through a lot of missus and

1001
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: you'll find that, Um. That being the case. All right, Buck,

1002
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: some college games this weekend, some interesting ones. Just a

1003
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: couple of players maybe want to focus on here. I

1004
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: know Jordan's Love who we've talked about a bunch. He

1005
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: gets a big opportunity. They go take on L. S

1006
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: u UTAs State at L s U Uh, that's a

1007
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: big one. And all those Ohio State kids we've talked about,

1008
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: Michigan State will give them a little bit of a test.

1009
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: And uh, Auburn Florida should be a fun one as well. Yeah,

1010
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: Auburn Florida should be a really really fun one. UM. Anytime, Uh,

1011
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, like as as a scout, you have an

1012
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to look at the SEC that is known as

1013
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: the kind of like the the major market when it

1014
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: comes to producing the top talent. So in time we

1015
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: get a chance to see these guys in the game.

1016
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: I want to check it out. Derry Brown as a

1017
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: guy that obviously everyone's gonna pay attention to, big time talent,

1018
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: the best prospect at Arburn. You will see how he

1019
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: holds up not only UM as a past Russia, but

1020
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: you will see how is he stout? Is sturdy? I

1021
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: guess Kenny disrupt? Can he recab it. Can he do

1022
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 1: all of those things that you won't you're from mere

1023
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: people to do. That's why you have to keep your

1024
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: eyes on him in this game. Yeah, that's that's a

1025
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: good one. I'll tell you what one other player I

1026
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: which want to highlight. I got a chance to dig

1027
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: in and study Javon kin Law from from South Carolina.

1028
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: A bunch of people that have been going through there.

1029
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: I've been telling me, look, dude, you gotta you're gonna

1030
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: have fun watching this kid. And he is good man.

1031
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: He has got some serious torque and upper power. He's

1032
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: got a great get off. This is a defensive tackle

1033
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: who's six five plus um three hundred plus and can

1034
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: really move. I mean there's some uh uh it looks

1035
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: like some Richard Seymour type stuff to his game. Just

1036
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: a powerful explosive and everybody says he's got long arms.

1037
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: So wh do you see this kid in person? Um?

1038
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: He is a big time uh, big time dude. So

1039
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: top top pointy pick. I would I would hang my

1040
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: hat on that at this point in time. Just a

1041
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: fun player, really good player there for the game. Cust

1042
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: in the in the SEC there's just so much talent

1043
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: and so you gotta tune into those games. Those guys

1044
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: are built a little differently, the a little more like physically,

1045
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: just built differently. And so there's a reason why each

1046
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: ender draft, when we reflect, we see so many SEC

1047
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: guys go in the top two or three rounds. It's

1048
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: just because, man, just the caliber athlete, the caliber football

1049
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: player that they're dealing with, is a little different than

1050
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: what is what is available across across the country, no doubt. Um,

1051
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: all right, the uh, I guess we've got some fan questions.

1052
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: We know we uh we encourage people if you go

1053
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: on Apple podcasts and leave us a review on there.

1054
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: If you drop a question in your review, we'll get

1055
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: to those on our Thursday podcast, which is where we

1056
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: are today. So I think we've got a couple of questions.

1057
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: Can't you can fire these off to us? Yeah, let's

1058
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: go the first one. Who are some assistant GMS directors

1059
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: of player personnel pro or college that we should have

1060
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: on our radar for GM jobs in the next few years?

1061
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: Who buck? Go ahead, and I'll let you go first. Well,

1062
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: normally what you do is you normally trying to post teams, uh,

1063
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: successful teams. I think the name that is going to

1064
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: get a lot of buzz from any Annapolis Ed Dodged

1065
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: junior that is Dodgs junior. It dods it does. Is

1066
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: a guy that's gonna get a lot of attention because

1067
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: he has been there, he has some of the Seattle pettigree.

1068
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: He's been able to build it up. He saw how

1069
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: they were able to put together a Super Bowl winner

1070
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: in Seattle. He has joined up with Chris Ballard. What

1071
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: they've been able to do in Indianapolis in a really

1072
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: short time has really been very, very impressive. And because

1073
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: he has seen in a couple of different ways, because

1074
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: he's done it with a quarterback, he's doing it right now.

1075
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say without a quarterback, but with a lesser

1076
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: known quarterback and they're still putting it together. That experience

1077
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: is vital. And then the fact that he kind of

1078
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: cut his teeth in the college game, I think gives

1079
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: him an advantage over some of the other guys that

1080
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: are going to be up for some of these GM jobs.

1081
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: And we see these kind of you know, there's always

1082
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: certain organizations, um where you see kind of an influx

1083
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: of guys like that. I'll tell you what the Philadelphi

1084
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: Eagles when you look at all the gms that have

1085
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: come out of there. Um, they're a bunch of them

1086
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: over the years, and it seems like whoever is the

1087
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: number two guy there has gone on to be a GM.

1088
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: Most recently with Joe Douglas. We've seen it with Jason light,

1089
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: we saw it with Hecker previously. A bunch of guys

1090
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: have come out of that role. I mean, Joe Banner

1091
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: was there, he wanted to be UM the GM there

1092
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: with the Browns. I would I would give you a

1093
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: bunch of names in that personnel department. I think they're

1094
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: really good. There're guys, a lot of guys I've worked

1095
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: with and I've known UM, but I know have good

1096
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: reputations around the NFL. Andy Widele who stepped into the role.

1097
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: Joe Douglass was in UH and he's gonna get it.

1098
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: He'll be a GM probably next year. UM. You've also

1099
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: got uh Ian Yates Cunningham who's there. T J. Mccrate's there,

1100
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Washburn whos coached a long time. He's now back

1101
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: in the personnel department. I think all those guys, when

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00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, end up being GMS. UM

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00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: some other names I mean a guy you know, Joe

1104
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: Shane who you were with in UH and Carolina. Joe's

1105
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills who have done a nice job

1106
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: like Jojo and that team. Yeah Joe, Yeah, Jojo is

1107
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: uh ready to go. Joe Joe's assistant general manager up

1108
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: that way. He has experience. He's bounced around a few

1109
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 1: different organizations where you've been able to see different team

1110
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: building UM philosophies, kind of kind of fruition. But the

1111
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: fact that the Buffalo Bills have been very, very competitive,

1112
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: They've kind of rebuilt it from the ground up. They've

1113
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: done it with a young quarterback that they found in

1114
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. They surrounded him with pieces. This team has

1115
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: a defense that's dynamic and explosive. Really with a cast

1116
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: of no names that some on the outside would say,

1117
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes about UM, the drafting and

1118
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: developing and then even adding uh some supplemental free agents.

1119
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: I think that is terrific. So Joe, Joe is definitely

1120
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: a guy who was on the radar. I think even

1121
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: on that staff, I think there's another guy in Lake

1122
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: Dawson who has been up for GM jobs in the past,

1123
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: and Lake d and I came up together in Seattle. Um,

1124
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: he knows the game, he has been a part of it.

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Speaker 1: He was a Tennessee, he was a vice president of

1126
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: player personnel, So he may get another opportunity. But I

1127
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: think the common denominator is when you look at the

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00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: successful teams and you look at the ones that have

1129
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: been able to do it consistently over time, naturally owners

1130
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: eyes gravitate towards those franchises because the model stability is

1131
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: what you want, and if you can get it where

1132
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: they're able to do kind of that home grown draft

1133
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: in develop model, it makes it all better because it

1134
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: makes economical sense to bood your team that way. I

1135
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: know we've gotta get to one more question. The other

1136
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: two names I would throw Adam Peters is with the

1137
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners. They're also a good start. His

1138
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: name is gonna be hot. And I would also keep

1139
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: an eye on Milton Hendrickson, who had been in Baltimore

1140
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 1: and who's with the Green Bay Packers. Is their number

1141
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: two of the Packers are off to a good start,

1142
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,839
Speaker 1: did a great job and freedency in the draft. So uh,

1143
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: some more names to keep an eye on there. We

1144
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: got one more question here can't what we got? Yea

1145
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: one more? It's to the Atlanta Falcons. The Falcons have

1146
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: been disappointing the season. It seems like the talent is there,

1147
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: but it doesn't translate to on filled winds. What is

1148
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: the solution to fixing the Falcons? Two words? Pass rush

1149
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: pass rush buck. I mean, I know they've got a

1150
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: great player in Grady Jared. Unfortunately, the guys that they've

1151
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: spent money on and spent high picks on to rush

1152
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: the passer off the edge just haven't got it done. Yeah,

1153
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: like this it's a weird, but you know what I'm

1154
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that this goes all the way back

1155
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl year and I think, like we

1156
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: can talk about like the personnel and the coaching and

1157
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: all of that stuff, Um what happened. I think the

1158
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: players have lost a little bit of the trust and

1159
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: the faith in the coach after they failed to win it,

1160
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: uh the way that they wanted. And I think sometimes

1161
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle

1162
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: because they made so many sacrifices to put themselves in

1163
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: a position to be looked up on The New England

1164
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: Patriots dominating the new New England Patriots, letting them come back,

1165
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: but then putting themselves in a position where a field

1166
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: goal kind of ice is the game. I think when

1167
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: you mess that up, I think it's hard to get

1168
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: that back. And I think it happened in Atlanta. I

1169
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: think it happened in Seattle, where Pete eventually had to

1170
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: get rid of those guys that were so outspoken about

1171
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: the way that they lost the Super Bowl when they

1172
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: elected not to hand the ball to Marshawn Lynch and

1173
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson threw the ball and it was intercepted. Sometimes,

1174
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: even though the players are performing at a high level,

1175
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: for dan Quinn to get the locker room back, to

1176
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: get new guys to buy into his message, he may

1177
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: have to flush out some of those guys that may

1178
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: still look at him sideways a little bit because they

1179
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: didn't finish it off the way they should have finished

1180
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: it off, with all the sacrifices that they made. Well,

1181
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you can do with the Seattle way,

1182
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: where you flush out the roster, keep the coach, uh

1183
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: which is where you keep to keep the players, and

1184
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: flush the coach. Because you know the thing about Pete

1185
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: Buck Pete had a Super Bowl. Pete already had one one.

1186
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: So if Pete hadn't won one, maybe that organization makes

1187
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: a decision to say, hey, they can't. You know, there's

1188
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: an't trust is yue here, So we've gotta get rid

1189
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: of the coach. These players have somebody trust. But Pete

1190
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: already want a title. Unfortunately for Dan Quinn he didn't

1191
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 1: have that. So when you don't have that title, it's

1192
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: like the old saying, it's a lot easier to fire

1193
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 1: the coach and to fire the team. Yeah it is,

1194
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: and it looked. It's tough because I think d Q

1195
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: is a great I think he's a great coach, and

1196
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: I think he had anything trending and some of the

1197
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: stuff that they've done to develop their young players it's terrific,

1198
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: but they haven't been able to get it done. Now

1199
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: you speak about something, everyone has a blind spot when

1200
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: it comes to the evaluation, and right now they have

1201
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: a blind bout when it comes to being able to

1202
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: identify pass rushers. Look, I like Big Beasley coming out

1203
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: and I can say now that, Look, he hasn't played

1204
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: the way that I thought he would play as a pro.

1205
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: Outside of that one Pro Bowl year that he had,

1206
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: and so they're going back to back a few different

1207
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: times trying to get a pass rusher, trying to get

1208
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: someone that can dominate on that turf, and they haven't

1209
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: been able to do it. And so without the horses

1210
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: up front, it makes it hard to play good defense

1211
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: in this league because offensively they have enough firepower to

1212
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: certainly be able to put points up, but defensively they

1213
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: have to have a team that can play downhill, meaning

1214
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: they can play with the lead, close it out finished games,

1215
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: but the pass rushers hunting acting as the closers. Yeah, no,

1216
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: it's a very good point. I was thinking about this.

1217
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: What year was that Vic Beasley? Was that I think

1218
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: that was? Was that the two thousand fifteen draft? Yeah,

1219
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: it was, so I remember remember us having that debate. Yeah,

1220
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: we had the Dante Fowler. That's what I was. Remember

1221
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: Vick Beasley and Buck gossh you were smoking me on

1222
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: that debate for so many years. And now Dante Fowler

1223
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: it's like he's like the horse that's like half a

1224
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: track length behind. But you know what, I thought I

1225
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: was done. I thought I lost that one. But once again,

1226
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: that's big that speaks to fit in scheme in Jacksonville.

1227
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: For whatever reason it wasn't working. He gets to l A.

1228
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: He's dealing with the rams wave. Phillips is a guy

1229
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: who is known to being able for being able to

1230
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: put pass rushes in prim spots. It has worked for him,

1231
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: and so sometimes it is the players, sometimes it's the scheme.

1232
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a combination of both. I think of Dante Foully,

1233
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: he has found his sweet spot. That's why you begin

1234
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: to see him produced to the level um that he

1235
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: was drafted that when he was the top I picked.

1236
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Pretty interesting there, all right? Football is back.

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Speaker 1: Certain restrictions and detorates may apply. Speaking of Yahoo, you

1244
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: heard me mention him a little bit earlier. Ken't back

1245
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: on the on the Movie Sticks podcast, helping us out here,

1246
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: can't also doing some work over at Yahoo. Can't. Good

1247
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: to have you back, buddy, Yeah, It's great to be back.

1248
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: This year. We're not doing the college picks, but I

1249
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: think you guys realized that became a losing effort for

1250
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: both of you, so it just was. But I will

1251
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: say Bucky's boys beat my Miami Hurricanes tatar Hills, so

1252
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: he has me one up on that this year, nearly

1253
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: locked nearly knocked off Clemson last week as well, which

1254
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: is impressive. But yeah, it's great being back with you guys.

1255
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm at Yahoo for most of the week. I'll be

1256
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: helping you guys with a bunch of stuff, including it's

1257
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: never too early to start looking ahead at like the

1258
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: MTS three sixty guys, and research and all that good stuff.

1259
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: So I'll be active here with the NFL podcast team

1260
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: again and certainly when I can with you guys here

1261
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: at Move the Sticks. But I'm glad to be back.

1262
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: I love that, and you can't. I just want to

1263
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: remind you real quick, but he just, um, if you

1264
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: do the math, the fact that that the Hurricanes lost

1265
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: to the tar Heels and Apps State beat the tar Heels,

1266
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: technically my school is better than your school. I'm just

1267
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: you know what right now they are if they played

1268
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: Saturday I'm pretty sure app State probably wins. Uh. That's funny.

1269
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: We gotta get South Carolina in a couple of weeks, man,

1270
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: I just gotta get through that one that I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: then I'm maybe I'm gonna be gloating like there's nobody's business.

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Speaker 1: Um anything, anything you're working on, Buck, you want to

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Speaker 1: add before we jump out of here. No, man, this

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Speaker 1: normal stuff. I'm gonna take a deep dive on Garner

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Speaker 1: Minshew just to figure out what are the lessons that

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Speaker 1: scouts could learn from his rise of the charts? Uh

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. A good stuff to be on the lookout

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Speaker 1: for that NFL dot com slash Bucky Brooks. You can

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Speaker 1: find his notebook each in every week. All right, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for us today. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for listening, for downloading, remember all the video content

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash MPs video or check us out

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Speaker 1: on the new YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash NF

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Speaker 1: Bill Podcast. That's gonna help for us. He's Bucking Brooks.

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Jeremiah. Nice to have camp back. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. H m hm