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Speaker 1: Lines and times. I'm Spencer Graves. I got MLF pro

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Speaker 1: Ryan Salzman in here, and I've got up in comer

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Speaker 1: Hayden Marbaitt, who, by the way, is just winning everything

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Speaker 1: on Gunnersville. Why are you winning so much on Gunnersville?

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Speaker 1: What's going on over there?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: No, it's been a crazy couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, crazy couple weeks. You know, go to these tournaments

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna do well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, had a pretty good feeling about the last couple,

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Speaker 3: but I'm not gonna say I knew it was gonna

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Speaker 3: go as good as it has gone.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're putting up twenty nine pounds bags consistently

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Speaker 1: on a lake that a lot of people think is

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Speaker 1: hurting right now and really tough. What's been the secret

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Speaker 1: for you? What's the thing that has worked well for you?

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's been several different things, But for one, I

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Speaker 3: don't think the lake's hurting right now.

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Speaker 2: You know that comment may have been applicable three years ago,

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Speaker 2: but the last three years gunners have been trending up

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Speaker 2: so fast. There's been this class of massive class of

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Speaker 2: fish that was like two and a half pounds last year.

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Speaker 2: There were threes and this year, they're like four to sixes.

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Speaker 1: So then why ares so many people hyper critical about

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Speaker 1: that lay?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think they are.

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Speaker 1: It's typically a lot of locals will say, like this

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Speaker 1: leg game what it used to be ten to fifteen

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Speaker 3: Man, I've seen stuff on Facebook just people like want

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Speaker 3: to see tens but whenever he's to go out and

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Speaker 3: cutch When you can go out and catch five five

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Speaker 3: pounders in a day, I don't think there's anything wrong

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Speaker 3: with the lantern either.

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Speaker 2: Look, I don't know what the stats are. I was

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Speaker 2: looking at what at the BFL I caught sixteen pounds

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Speaker 2: or something, and I was in like a hundred or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, acking right like seventy Like that's mad,

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Speaker 2: Like did that used to get you at least top twenty?

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Speaker 2: I've been in some top tens. Was seventeen in the

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Speaker 2: spring the.

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Speaker 1: ABA tournament that Hayden and I fished. Yeah, there was

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Speaker 1: a guy that had twenty pounds and he was he

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Speaker 1: looked at it and he was like, I'm not even

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Speaker 1: finish in the top ten. No, And it was really close.

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Speaker 1: And then you had that two day up there. What

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Speaker 1: were your weights? Day one?

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Speaker 3: H I had twenty seven oh nine the first day

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Speaker 3: and then twenty nine thirty five the second day.

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Speaker 1: Dang, you got bigger. Yeah, a lot of times you

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Speaker 1: fall off on the second day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Just you listen to those numbers. Twenty seven on day one,

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Speaker 1: twenty nine on day two. That's about as healthy as

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Speaker 1: that lake's going to be.

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Speaker 2: It's healthier than I've ever seen it. I've got it

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Speaker 2: on the lake for twelve years. Yeah. As far as

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Speaker 2: the back, do you think?

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Speaker 1: What do you think makes a lake super healthy? Because listen,

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Speaker 1: we've all heard the arguments. Oh, they're getting rid of

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Speaker 1: all the grass man no place for them to go,

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Speaker 1: and eel grass is taken over.

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Speaker 3: Ill grass is the best thing that ever happened.

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Speaker 2: That's the reason. That's right, that's the only reason that

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Speaker 2: these fish are as healthy as they are. The eel

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Speaker 2: grass when it first started, that's when I was winning

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Speaker 2: everything because I figured out the eel grass deal and

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Speaker 2: catching weights like Hayden, and then the eel grass kind

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Speaker 2: of became a carpet. And so what this has done

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Speaker 2: is given a ton of cover for the bass and

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Speaker 2: bait fish, and it's like hunting needles in a haystack.

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Speaker 2: So now they have a lot more area to live in.

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Speaker 2: And if they didn't and we can just pinpoint them,

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Speaker 2: you know, like we used to, there wouldn't be the population.

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Speaker 2: But now we have more houses for the bass, meaning

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Speaker 2: bigger population sure, and the ill grass protects a lot

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Speaker 2: the summertime when you're a ledge fishing, there's there's fresh

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Speaker 2: like you know, they don't they're just like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's the most pressured blake in the country, but those

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Speaker 1: Right when you have that floating eel grass, you could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So ironically last year in the VPT, I was

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Speaker 2: hook like a three four pounder and he's like under

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Speaker 1: But so all that says to me is that you

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Speaker 2: Given every day. That's all fishing is.

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Speaker 1: So then that's perfect lead into live scopers and the

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Speaker 1: way that that world is because now you hear all

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Speaker 1: this argument about scoping, and the reason I wont Hayden

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Speaker 3: Not really, because I don't really feel like I am.

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Speaker 3: I've just adapted to my style of fishing to use

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, but where did you all right explain for

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Speaker 1: What was your trajectory to get to where you're at

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Speaker 1: where you're winning big tournaments on Gunnersville consistently.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up on the Coosa River. I'm from Birmingham,

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Speaker 3: not far from right here, and so I grew up

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Speaker 1: So, if you love doing lead fishing, were you when

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Speaker 1: you would go up to Gunnersville for maybe the first

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Speaker 1: time this time of year when you don't typically fish.

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Speaker 1: Were you going out actively looking at ledges and then

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Speaker 3: I mean, primarily it's just like bait oriented. I would

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Speaker 3: And you know, so I just scanned a lot and

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Speaker 3: Even looked at some ledges. You know it it was

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Speaker 1: And there's that's just funny to hear. It's like I

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a different mentality once you That's what

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Speaker 1: I was telling Hayden after that tournament that I feel

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Speaker 2: To me, it's just the only roadblock is time, and

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Speaker 2: if you can be patient enough and determined enough, it'll

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Speaker 2: They don't want to put in the work like Hayden

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Speaker 2: That the wins that he had was a culmination of

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Speaker 2: the last few years that he's put on Gunners will

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Speaker 2: working on this new technique and when I would win,

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Speaker 2: it'd be a culminating I'll be out there. My first

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Speaker 2: BFL ever won twenty fifteen, biggest bag of her weighing

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Speaker 2: to tournament was like thirty three pounds. But I was

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Speaker 2: got some openings for boaters. I was like, I guess

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Speaker 2: i'll fish it. I'm gotta some big ones, and I

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Speaker 2: just went and ran my path. I never once ran

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Speaker 2: my whole pattern because I was just guiding every day

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Speaker 1: So you just did that milk run and you ran

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Speaker 1: into the similar stuff that you were catching over the

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Speaker 2: I mean like when you're guiding, you try to you

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Speaker 2: don't go catch all your fishing a day. You got

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Speaker 2: And I just that was a really cool you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just accepted at this point it's it's

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Speaker 1: It's a regular bass boat. No marking. Yeah, it ryan salesman,

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Speaker 1: I was like, all right, this is kind of a

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Speaker 2: This is a message I'm gonna send all the young

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes you more of a target.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just go out and enjoy it, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I've got some good sponsors that helped me through my tournaments.

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Speaker 1: I have a rab boat. But I think it's funny

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Speaker 1: That's what I was doing. I wasn't doing what I

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Speaker 2: I tell you, almost every professional that lives on a

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Speaker 2: Jordan has his little ten rigs. Fletcher has ten rig Connell,

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Speaker 1: I'm calling Silicaga Marine today.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, what you guys have for the ten rig? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Listen the success that you're having and knowing that the

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Speaker 2: Man? I feel like live scope is here to stay,

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Speaker 2: It's it's that's why we see all these crazy weights, man.

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Speaker 1: But it's change this year this year.

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Speaker 1: You honestly think a trail like that would be successful,

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Speaker 1: Way on an entry five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, just like the NPFL.

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Speaker 2: I love using it. I use it to supplement my fishing.

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Speaker 2: I don't feel I don't really enjoy see that's this

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Speaker 2: This is what happens when you scope. You don't have

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Speaker 2: It's you're either going to commit to it and winstor famine.

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Speaker 2: If he goes out there and he can't catch weights

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Speaker 1: It's not that easy, is it.

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Speaker 2: It takes a lot of work to get to that point.

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Speaker 3: It makes you extremely efficient in everything you do.

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Speaker 1: I actually think scoping is more damaging to what you

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Speaker 1: fish in the lake. You can go wherever you want

437
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,840
Speaker 1: as long as you're in that body of water, unless

438
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,560
Speaker 1: you know there's some guys that like to even bend

439
00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,679
Speaker 1: that rule. So you're going out trying to catch the

440
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,920
Speaker 1: five biggest fish if you know they're doing this and

441
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,720
Speaker 1: you can find them on scope, isn't that part of

442
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,119
Speaker 1: the game.

443
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, so you can do it, but like like

444
00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,560
Speaker 2: he said, when you feel like you have to do

445
00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,159
Speaker 2: something to compete or compete to win, we can go

446
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,120
Speaker 2: make a living not using it, but we want to win.

447
00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:29,959
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I just feel like, like that's why

448
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,879
Speaker 3: I've dedicated so much time to If I'm ever going

449
00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,280
Speaker 3: to qualify for any professional circuit, I'm gonna have to

450
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:35,719
Speaker 3: be super efficient Scope.

451
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,480
Speaker 1: You obviously would you rather not scope Peyton?

452
00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,920
Speaker 3: Probably not, But I mean, like, I'm not gonna I'm

453
00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,479
Speaker 3: not gonna go qualify for the Elite Series, the BPT,

454
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,600
Speaker 3: the invitations, anything flipping a jig down the bank like

455
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,200
Speaker 3: or somebody like they did back in the day.

456
00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,080
Speaker 1: That's never gonna happen at that technique.

457
00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I come from the air. When I qualified,

458
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,879
Speaker 2: I did it with without scus pre scope, and then

459
00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:00,600
Speaker 2: it come.

460
00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 1: Out while I made it back in the day, back

461
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,399
Speaker 1: in the day, dude, I technically.

462
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 2: Am now like, but for someone like me, when I

463
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,240
Speaker 2: go out there and I'm struggling with Scope, I know

464
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,480
Speaker 2: how to go catch them, not scoping, So it's really

465
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,359
Speaker 2: hard for me to totally commit to it. And there's

466
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 2: this growth period that you have to go through with Scope.

467
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,439
Speaker 2: It's where you're gonna go out a lot and not

468
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,160
Speaker 2: catch them and then it's gonna click and then you're

469
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 2: gonna catch a lot. But it takes for me, it

470
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,680
Speaker 2: takes a lot of joy when I have to just fully,

471
00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 2: I fully love going down a grass flat and not

472
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 2: knowing and just when I rip that fricker that that

473
00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 2: that rattle trap out of there and goes podcast, it's

474
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 2: a podcast. But now when I rip that trap out

475
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 2: and I go when it goes down and goes thom

476
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,560
Speaker 2: and that Yozuri lipless is right down his throat and

477
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: it just reel into him. He comes up jumping. There

478
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,080
Speaker 2: is that. That's the art of fishing. There's an art

479
00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 2: to it, sure of the unknown.

480
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 1: Do you still, Hayden, do you still get the level

481
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,480
Speaker 1: of excitement when somebody is cranking or throwing a rattle

482
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 1: trap and all of a sudden they run into that

483
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: hard object and they feel that tug and they set

484
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 1: the hook. Oh you still get that even when you're

485
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 1: watching them on screen.

486
00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 3: Watched them on screen.

487
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 1: Right to them they bite. Do you still have that high?

488
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,560
Speaker 3: I think it's extremely fun to see how they react

489
00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 3: to your bait, And like, I don't know, I've learned

490
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 3: more about fishing from watching how they act. Whenever I

491
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,919
Speaker 3: present my baits in different ways than I would have

492
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,320
Speaker 3: learned in the next ten years. Just thrown around and.

493
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,040
Speaker 1: That's how I still enjoy like to make thirty casts

494
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: to try to figure out what they're doing. You can

495
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,440
Speaker 1: literally watch they're not it. Logan Parks had a video

496
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 1: up the other day. He was jerking and he made

497
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,360
Speaker 1: one subtle move right at the bottom of the belt.

498
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he was probably the last twitch he could

499
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 1: do and bam he got wrecked. So that little subtle move.

500
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: Then he knows maybe they're reacting to that.

501
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It's the best tool for professional fishing.

502
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 2: My concern is, like I just if I was raising

503
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 2: my kid, I don't just like we get off the

504
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 2: video game and go play outside. This is this analogy

505
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 2: like okay, there, you can play the video game and fish,

506
00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 2: or you can play outside. And I just think there

507
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 2: needs to be a balance. I would love to see, like, like,

508
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 2: let's just say the BPT has seven tournaments. Let's say

509
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,719
Speaker 2: three of them are no scope events, like you use

510
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,119
Speaker 2: it in practice or maybe put the schedule around to

511
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 2: where you don't even really want to use it anyway,

512
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,280
Speaker 2: But let's just just balance it out a little bit.

513
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 1: I can see I can see them doing that. I

514
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: think that would be really good slope tournaments.

515
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to go.

516
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're looking for well rounded. I mean,

517
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: if you're talking about raising a kid and fishing, Yeah,

518
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: you want to raise your kid how to be a

519
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: shallow person, because there's a lot of shallow bites that

520
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 1: they're gonna miss. You don't want to dedicate them solely

521
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: to scoping. But where I have a problem with people

522
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 1: who knock live scopers is they go that's all they know.

523
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: It's not.

524
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: You know.

525
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: Obviously we're seeing younger guys on live scope because they

526
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: came up with it, like they've lived in technology.

527
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 3: There's people now twenty years old. Yeah I'm about to

528
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 3: be twenty one. But I'm seeing guys like starting to

529
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: come up now, like high schoolers and college guys that

530
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 3: like they they're pretty like they have to see their

531
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: bait every they like watching their bait every cast, which

532
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: so they're.

533
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 1: That's the problem is obviously, you don't want a non

534
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 1: well rounded fisherman. You want somebody that can do everything.

535
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I grew up I mean throwing a crank bait

536
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 3: and doing all sorts of stuff, and I can parallel

537
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 3: the bank. I don't want to see my bait. I

538
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 3: trust that it's doing the right thing. It's down there.

539
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: It's a field thing.

540
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but that's it is strange to see people

541
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 3: that now are like even like fishing behind you. They

542
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 3: want to throw like towards the front because they want

543
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: to see what they make sure their bait's around something.

544
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: So, Hayden, what would you say is the ample decision

545
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: moving forward with scope in tournaments?

546
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think it's gonna change. I think

547
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 3: I think maybe a two transducer limit, you know, like

548
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: whether that be three sixty and live scope or you know,

549
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: two live scopes or something like that where you know

550
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 3: that you can still have a guy run perspective and forward,

551
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: or you can run one off the jackplate and one

552
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 3: forward up front or three sick like whatever he wants

553
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 3: to do. But a two transducer limit, personally, I don't

554
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: want to see it go to where you know, it's

555
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: five scopes. It's a sixty two salt water up front,

556
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: a thirty four perspective, a thirty four forward, and two

557
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 3: sixty twos two thirty fours off each side of the

558
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: jack plate.

559
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: Are the rigs in MLF just as wild with the

560
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: amount of electronic worst.

561
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: So I watched Chris Aldan's video it's way worse on

562
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 2: the on the bass master side. Oh yeah, I mean

563
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: as far as the extent of where they took the transducers.

564
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: And it's a lot of the Japanese guys and the

565
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: BFT guys see the Japanese guys, so they get the

566
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: idea like, oh I need that because he's got that,

567
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: and it's like fomo. But you know, like Brian Schmidt,

568
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: he has four garments.

569
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: Fifty thousand dollars rig that's the pictures that everybody's seeing.

570
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: That's right all over it.

571
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's where it's going, right, So when is

572
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: it going to end? Right? So that's where he's talking

573
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,199
Speaker 2: about Spade.

574
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, he finished fifty fourth at Teleda.

575
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to get at the other

576
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna.

577
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: Get me is like, you can have all that stuff

578
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 1: on your boat, but if you don't know how to

579
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: use it effectively, or you don't want to use it effectively.

580
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: Joseph Webster told me in one of his tournaments at

581
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: Toledo Ben He's like Spencer. For the first time in

582
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: my career, I like to spin a round in my hand,

583
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: and I stared at that screen all three days that

584
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: I was able to.

585
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: I did the same thing at Toledo because we were

586
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: there before them, and I finished like sixteenth, had the

587
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 2: bikes to almost make the top ten. But it was

588
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: my first tournament I ever just solely used scope, but

589
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: I knew I had to do it to compete those

590
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: fish out there. Rome just roam in the timber.

591
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: Talk about Red Crest. That's one of the reasons why

592
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: you're in. You're obviously an Alabama guy. I'd love to

593
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: have both of you on the podcast more if we

594
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: can get you guys in. Normally West Logan's here, but

595
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: you're really in town because of the Bass Pro Tour. Yeah,

596
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: and Red Crest, which is your major major tournament. This

597
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: was huge, it is it is coming to Lay Lake.

598
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

599
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 1: Now you're in. You're a North Alabama guy. How are

600
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: you going to translate to some of these central Alabama

601
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: lakes like lay You.

602
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: Know, I'm actually a river rat. So my history is

603
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: I didn't come up like hey, so hayting about turned

604
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: twenty one and has already won two major events. When

605
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: I was twenty one, I got my first bass boat,

606
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 2: So I was like way behind a lot. A lot

607
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: of people don't know this about me. I accelerateed really

608
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: fast once I got a bass boat. But I was

609
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: a bank fisherman for a long time, and then when

610
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: I started fishing what Mike cost twenty twenty one. In

611
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: college below Wilson Damn on Pickwick, we would go out

612
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: and a fourteen foot John boat in the twenty five

613
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: horse and run our butts up to though that blow

614
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: that dam across the tailwaters and we would drift around

615
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: and just fish current. So I'm very familiar with current,

616
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: and that's kind of where I cut my teeth. So

617
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: the Koser River is a current system, so I feel

618
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: very comfortable.

619
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: So you're hoping that they're pulling water.

620
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: Oh, they're pulling water. We got a lot of rain.

621
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: I look, they're running three generators this morning.

622
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm willing to bet that when I tune into Red

623
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Crest that I'm gonna see mister Salisman at the base

624
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: of the dam.

625
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 2: High odds. Yeah, look, here's the deal. I'm not love that.

626
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: I think it's great for you.

627
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm you got it, just like you

628
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 2: gotta fish to win. I feel like I gotta fish

629
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: my strength, and that's my strength. As far as I

630
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: can catch them in the grass. Obviously, I'm from Gunners

631
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 2: will have one in the grass, and there's grass on Lay. Now,

632
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: if I feel like I can't win at the dam,

633
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: you won't see me there. But you gotta go and

634
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: practice and do this and that where it's they're running

635
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: three generators this morning, pulling thirty thousand cfs, which is

636
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: a lot for Lay Lake. Now we're supposed to get

637
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: five to six more inches of rain between now. Inside

638
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: they might have the spillways open. Who know.

639
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: Official practice starts Sunday.

640
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: Sunday. So here's what's gonna happen. We're gonna get a

641
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: huge influx of current. The water's gonna money up. There's

642
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of current, and there's gonna be

643
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: like a gradual draw down of current throughout the event.

644
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: How that affects the fish, I don't know. I'm not

645
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: really from the Couser River. I just know what the

646
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: current's gonna do, just because I've fished rivers in my

647
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: whole life. So I gotta get up there and that

648
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: what that means is gonna change. So the only people

649
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: who are really gonna know how to catch them are

650
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: people that know how to adjust in current. If you're

651
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: fishing current now on the lower end, the water's gonna

652
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 2: come up. You know, these large mouth watertown's probably already

653
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 2: sixty degrees they're warming. These large mouths are gonna come

654
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: up to the banks really fast. So that's something else

655
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 2: else you gotta think about. And that's no. You know

656
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 2: in grass in the bank, no scope situation might be

657
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: frog situation.

658
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: Okay, are you going? Are you gonna lay it out

659
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: right now? The red Crest will be one off scope?

660
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: No?

661
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: Is that because Jacob Wheelers in it?

662
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: No? He even when I'm Here's the thing when I

663
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: when you think of a scoper, when I define a scoper,

664
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: there's someone who just stares at it and falls an

665
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: individual bass, right, But someone who's like a true fisherman

666
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: is going to use that technology to help them supplement

667
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: their fish catches every day. Like if I'm at the dam,

668
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna use it to see a rock that I

669
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: want to hit with my swim bait. So it's going

670
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: to be utilized regardless. If I'm on a dock, I'm

671
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: going to look under that dock.

672
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: Well, the percentage wise, you're not going to see somebody

673
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on it, they're going to have to

674
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: move around where.

675
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: There guys one hundred percent using scope. If there's timber

676
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: on lay when I went down in pre practice, someone

677
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: will probably figure out a bite that timber just staring

678
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: at fish.

679
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: So some of the major tournaments that I've been a

680
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: part of and have just been around on either the

681
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: media side or fishing side, there's usually guys that are

682
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: fishing the tournament and they're like, this is so and

683
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: So's tournament, Like they are going to kick some ass

684
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: on this tournament. Do you feel that about Red crest Or?

685
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: Is it really free for all? No?

686
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: I feel that there's a I've heard a guy you

687
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: find Dalton I think it's so, what's what's that kid's name.

688
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: Dalton Head?

689
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: Okay, Daltonhead. I've heard a lot of buddies, a little

690
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: a lot of highballt dalton Head. Apparently there's a hammer

691
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: over there also.

692
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: But do you think that matters? Like if somebody is

693
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: really well known for a lake, like winning their local lake, it.

694
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: Does for sure. It's just history, right, and you know

695
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: some lakes are very like repeatable. Gunners is a lake

696
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: that changes every year. Cus the river a little bit

697
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 2: more predictable from what I hear. That's why you see

698
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: a lot of same guys.

699
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: Winning cause is also hard because you can't really replicate

700
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: what you do on the Cusa and move that to

701
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: other lakes. It can be really difficult. It can't d

702
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: up doing Cusa stuff and go somewhere else.

703
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 3: It can be get different hints from different things that

704
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: you learn on the cusa and apply them.

705
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: It's fish at the end. You know they get around docks,

706
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: they get around grass, they chatter a still stupid. You

707
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: know that you want to chatterbaate, you won't get to

708
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: catch bass. So anyway, Dustin Connell, it's you know, Daltonhead.

709
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: But here's the deal. Connell has won more tournaments on

710
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: land than I think anyone in this tournament and below

711
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: the dam. So if you had to put money on

712
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: a horse, you have to bet on him. Now. I'm

713
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: never want to bet against myself, but you just know

714
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: what you're getting into and if.

715
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: That probably fuels your fire a little bit.

716
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: Ohays, I want to beat him so bad, right yeah,

717
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: I mean just wise.

718
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: That's how it is when any guy gets into a

719
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: tournament and they see pros on the list, like they

720
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: may not win the tournament. But you were talking about

721
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: that BFL. You gost sixteen pounds, you finished one hundred. Yeah,

722
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: there were ninety nine guys that were like I bet

723
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: Ryan Salzman.

724
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, one percent.

725
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: That for them is the tournament. If they went out

726
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: my career, I'm happy to catch two bass. If I

727
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: beat anybody on the list, I feel like, all right,

728
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right.

729
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: So as far as the mentality aspect, I stopped looking

730
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: at names a long time ago, like this is great

731
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: to talk about because we're on a podcast, But I

732
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: could care if KVD, Dust and Connell because it's not

733
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: about them. It's about you and the fish and try

734
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: and go do the best I can do. I don't

735
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: care where I finish. Like if I suck, I suck.

736
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: Now I'm mad for people.

737
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Then you shouldn't get caught in worrying about what other

738
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: people know.

739
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: You got to go to go out. I have never

740
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: settle attitude, Never settle for whatever you do, and then

741
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: go out and as much way as possible every day,

742
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: like like every day at the Toyota. I mean I

743
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: knew I was doing good, but I wasn't sitting there

744
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 3: studying a leader war. Now it was like, I'm gonna

745
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: go tomorrow. I'm gonna catch as much weight as I can.

746
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: Like the second day, I had twenty five something and

747
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 3: I was telling my code. My cod's like, you're not

748
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: gonna leave this place, like no, I want to catch more,

749
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: like I'm not. I'm not. It's gunners, so you don't

750
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: want to lay off. And it doesn't matter who's behind

751
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: you or who's ahead of you.

752
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: I want to catch. Tournament's about to end, like you

753
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: exhaust it for everything. Yeah, I mean that's got to

754
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 1: be hard on multi day tournaments though, because like you

755
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: catch them day one, you don't want to catch everything

756
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: day one. It's kind of that guide mentality. You want

757
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: to burn out your fish.

758
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: Now on MLF it's different. So that's MLF is the

759
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: hardest thing I've ever done. I enjoy five fish because

760
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: I'm better at it, more consistent, but counts you have

761
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: to burn down everything every day, and once you burn

762
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: that down, you go find something else to burn down.

763
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: Once you burn that down, you go find another house

764
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: to burn down. You set it all on fire.

765
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Se Ryan Salizman with a lighter shift's about to go down.

766
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: It's about to go down. So and then in a

767
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: perfect situation, you got a spot where you burn it

768
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: down and they build a new house the next day,

769
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: and then there's another one for you to burn down.

770
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: So that means more fisher are coming too.

771
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: Well.

772
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: Pyro Technic over there, yeah, yep, that's sure right, all right,

773
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: it's coming to Birmingham, Alabama. Lay Lake is the Lake

774
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: of Venue if you want to check that out. March

775
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: fourteenth through the seventeenth, They're doing a huge expo at

776
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: the BJCC. I'm going to be there for a couple

777
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: of the days, but we would love for you guys

778
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: to come over and then you guys actually do something

779
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: different so you don't have a typical way in, but

780
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: you do a postfish kind of run through where they

781
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: show you highlights to some of the catches. Everybody has

782
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: a camera.

783
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: Yep, so I mean they're gonna have I think ten

784
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: cameras and they're gonna put them on the bit guys

785
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 2: who are obviously catching fish, and we come through the

786
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: arena at the end of the day. You can come

787
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: watch us. They drive us through the stage. You come on,

788
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: they interview us. If they have highlights from the day,

789
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: they're going to show those and then you know, sign

790
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: autographs with everyone that's there and just talk fishing. The

791
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: guys get cut if they take twenty on the third

792
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: day and then top ten on the fourth, and then

793
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: the guys that get cut are gonna be at the

794
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: expo just working booze, hanging out with anglers, talking fishing.

795
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: So we definitely encourage everyone to come out to the expo.

796
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 2: We also putting in at Beeswax. We'll get there at

797
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: seven am. Blast off is at seven thirty, and there's

798
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: just be a big crowd come see us off, you know,

799
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: cheer us on, and then head on over to the xpo.

800
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: When when blast off is going on. Is there a

801
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: lot for people to do while they're there? Is it

802
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: literally just watching guys jump in the boat take off.

803
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you basically you pull up, you see

804
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: guys getting ready. They have a little tent set up

805
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: over there with the announcer. They got music playing, and

806
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: it's just a really cool vibe and atmosphere. You know,

807
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: a lot of times I predict there's probablynna be a

808
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: little fog, you know, music playing, get a little goose

809
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: fun in the morning. Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know,

810
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: it's just you know, We work all year to get

811
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: to this event, and it's just a high energy event.

812
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: So it's just it's a great thing to come and

813
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: check out. And for guys like Hayden, this is where

814
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: he wants to go. When I was young, I would

815
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 2: go to every bass Master Classic. If Ray Crest was there,

816
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: I would have went. But it gives me something to like,

817
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: I want to be there, Yeah, and I motivates fuel

818
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: free fire.

819
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'll be there. We're actually doing Auburn versus

820
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: Alabama little face off and waiting or doing like the

821
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 3: little way and thing before y'all whenever y'all come in

822
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: the second day.

823
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: So oh really, Red Chris ye Man.

824
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even mention that. You know, Hayden is

825
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: a national champion with Auburn and just absolutely destroyed at

826
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And you're getting ready to graduate.

827
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: Not not yet.

828
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: No, he's trying to he's trying to prolong his college.

829
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: I'm a junior this year, that six year red shirt

830
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: freshman thing. Yeah, next year it will be senior year,

831
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: and then the next year will be the fifth year

832
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: and then hopefully we're done by them.

833
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: Dude, I did fit five years.

834
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to stay five years.

835
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. I was just getting into fishing and

836
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: I did also do RTC and I commissioned in the military.

837
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: What caused the five years actually broke my arm when

838
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 2: I was supposed to go off to my army training

839
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: and I couldn't come. So it caused me to extend,

840
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: which caused me to get the fish another year before

841
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: I had to start in my real life. So it

842
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: was a pretty good deal.

843
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: If you're get to watch Redcrest on TV and you're like, well,

844
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: who's Ryan Salizman, How am I going to find him?

845
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Look for the boat that's got the Hawaiian flowers? Where

846
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: did that come from?

847
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: So I'm wearing a hat right now, and it's a

848
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: company called Shaka Kai. They're based out of Florida. It's

849
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: kind of a Hawaiian lifestyle theme and the outdoors with.

850
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: What vibe fits that, right, So this is how you

851
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: partnered with them.

852
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: No, so this is a really funny story. If anybody

853
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: watching has ever watching Mikey Balls, if you haven't, go

854
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: to YouTube, look up Mikey Balls and he.

855
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Has a hub gunn.

856
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: He's not that bad, but you get the idea, but

857
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: he wear he used to wear a Hawaiian hat all

858
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: the time and I filled with Mikey several times, and

859
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: when I was filming with him, I got one of

860
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: these hats. I saw an ad on Instagram or something

861
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: and I wore it and he was just cracking up

862
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: because I was trolling them and they saw that in

863
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: the video. We got a lot of views and they

864
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: sold the hats and were like, hey, man, thanks for that.

865
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: Here's a couple of hats. And I was like, if

866
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: you like that, you know, here's a proposal. I would

867
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: love to partner with you. Guys. Centem a proposal and

868
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: they liked it and we've been partners ever since for

869
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 2: like the last four years.

870
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: That's such a big piece of information. Like, I know,

871
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: that's a funny story. But if you're a young fisherman

872
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: or even somebody that loves to fish and you want

873
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: to get to that level of sponsorship, trying to gain

874
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: sponsorship is the that's more of a job than fishing itself.

875
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the professional side. What people don't know about

876
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: professional fishing. They're like, oh, scope's easy. Even if it

877
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: is easy, guess what, we got to run a business.

878
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: So we got to run social media, we got to

879
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: manage finances, and we got to make sure everything's taken

880
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: care at home when you're not there. So there's just

881
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: a lot of revolving pieces. Oh also part time trucker,

882
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: So I drove over like thirty five thousand miles last

883
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 2: year just on my personal vehicle.

884
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: And you also don't get everything that you guys have

885
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: for free. That's like a big misnomer.

886
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: No, you know, even if we do, like once you

887
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: get to a certain level, even if you do get

888
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 2: your sponsor product for free and then hopefully you're getting

889
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: paid for you know, your representation of the sponsor. So

890
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: I'm sponsored by Uzuri, have a paid deal with them,

891
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: free product. But also I'm expected to do certain things.

892
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: I'm expected to post certain amount of times a month,

893
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: I'm expected to do so many videos, I'm expected to

894
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: do so many shows. And then let's just say, okay,

895
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: so you have that for one company, let's add fifteen companies.

896
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: You have to do all those requirements, meet all of

897
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 2: that every month, all while fishing and trying to compete

898
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: at the highest level possible.

899
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're still having a fish as many days

900
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: as you can and be on the water just to

901
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 3: stay just as competitive.

902
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: You're saying it's easy, Oh, it's easy.

903
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: What's great about? Like, if you're going to be a

904
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: professional fisherman, it has to be your lifestyle. I don't

905
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: feel like I work because I love taking pictures and videos.

906
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: I think I have sixty thousand media pieces on my

907
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: phone right now, but I genuinely enjoy it, like it's

908
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: what I do. So whatever you're good at, make sure

909
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: to capitalize on it. Mine has been social media. I

910
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: haven't come out the gates swinging and just went and everything.

911
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: I went a few here and there, but I'm really

912
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: good with social media, so I'm balanced. So if I

913
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: suck at fishing, guess what, I'm still promoting.

914
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: We both do an incredible job. Hayden, congratulations on all

915
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: your success on Gunnersville. It does not fool anybody around here.

916
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: Anybody that knows Hayden Marbut's name knows that he's the

917
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: king of Gunnersville. And hold up, Oh come on, I've

918
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: seen it all over the place.

919
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: Here's the deal.

920
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: I'll call him the new King of Gunnersville.

921
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: Here's the Those things don't last forever. Just a couple

922
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: of weeks in that stuff comes to an end.

923
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: We all have eras he is on a run right now.

924
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people. Look, there's a lot

925
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: of goats on Gunnersville. He's his name is being added.

926
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: He's on the list temporarily right now. But but I

927
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: think he will he will, he will stay there. But

928
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys like Alex Davis, John Henry

929
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 2: one of them. He's passed away. But he won a

930
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: lot he wanted Toyota, He's won several other events. I've

931
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: won my sheriff tournaments on gunners never a major one,

932
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: but a lot of tournaments on Gunnersville. But he's definitely

933
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 2: been added to a class of elie anglers on Gunnersville.

934
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: We'll call him the king. That's disrespecting a lot.

935
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm not the one that says it right.

936
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: There's nobody good enough to be the king. I see

937
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: what people say, donor she will changes too much. There's

938
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: no one that just consistently wins your round. Yeah, that's

939
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: what happens. You get on something, you run with it.

940
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: Roder does you just roll with it and enjoy it

941
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,479
Speaker 3: because like you know, and you know, it doesn't last forever,

942
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: and you try to make it last as long as

943
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: you can. That's all you can do. Like, I've enjoyed

944
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: it and like it. Everyone's like, boy, well if you're

945
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: sucking dumb like, trust me, I know this doesn't last.

946
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying it, but I also hope that

947
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: you're saving as much money as you can spend it

948
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: where you need it, because man, that runs out just

949
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: as quick as the love of being a king of

950
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: a lake.

951
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean. And here's the deal. And

952
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: I know, Hayden. You know, guys looking on the outside,

953
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: and that's why you see those comments, they idolize that

954
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: and make a name and guys like Hayden and I

955
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: to get as good as he is and as I am.

956
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: You don't that does. That's not enough motivation to get

957
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: as good as you are. So he doesn't let that

958
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: bother him. I promise you, I don't let that bother

959
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: me because it comes and goes, you know. So the

960
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: biggest thing advice I would give to Hayden is to

961
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 2: take that money and just use what you got going

962
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: and work on sponsorships and get a good base going

963
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: and focus on your social media, and you'll be fine.

964
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: Guys, thanks for joining me on lines and times.