1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: on you home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 3 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson. 4 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Of course a uh Friday here in Pittsburgh. The big 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: news today Marquise Pouncey's official retirement with the Steelers, And 6 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: just as a reminder everybody, you can listen to us 7 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio always always, We're always every 8 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: running shows. If you want a specific show, maybe you 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: missed one, maybe you want to see here something back 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: from earlier in the week. You can download all of 11 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: our shows where you get your podcasts for free. Subscribe 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: your podcast, Yeah, do that. I subscribe to your podcast 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: today and listen to us anywhere anytime. Absolutely a big 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: podcast guy. It's the only way to go. Yeah. But, 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, the Marquise Pouncey announcing his official retirement 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: this morning. UM, I knew about this last night, but 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: I was kind of sworn to secrecy on it. I couldn't, 18 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: at least it until Ramon made the official tweet about 19 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: it yet. Um, they had agreed to do that, so 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: the brothers doing it together, the twins, I think that's 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Um. But I had the story ready to 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: go and Boom had it out there as soon as 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: I saw Ramons. Okay, I'm good. But so they gave 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: me a chance to to look back at Marquis's career. Obviously, 25 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: We've been talking about this for a while now, and 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: I've obviously been asked a lot. Is Marquise Pouncy a 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer? Yeah, I'm sure that's the next conversation 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: you have. Then you know, nine Pro Bowls? Wow, that's 29 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: that's the most of any Steeler not named Joe Green. Wow. 30 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Joe Green went to ten. That's 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: I mean, so that's that's not Yeah, and he only 32 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: he played he played he was eligible or he was 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: eligible for eleven seasons, but he didn't play one of 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: those years he was hurt. So really I missed it 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, well you know he did. Uh he 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: went this year. Yeah, So there's only one time. The 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: other time that he didn't go is another year that 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: he was hurt when he blew out his A c L. Yes. Yeah. 39 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Also a five time All Pro yeah, two on the 40 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: first team, three times on the second team. So the 41 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame bona Fides. There more importantly, made the 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: All Decade team and the All Decade team. For people 43 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: that don't know, the All Decade Team is voted on 44 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: by the guys who do the voting for the Pro 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. I didn't realize that. So I 46 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: did that last year because it was it was a 47 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: an all decade year um and the all Decades centers 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: for the two thousand tens were Marquise Pouncey and Alex Mack, 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: and I would put Pouncy's career in resume over Max 50 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: for their career, I mean just for Hall of Fame 51 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: and stuff. So that's something that you know, again, that's 52 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: that's voted on by the people who vote for the 53 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Right, So I got the wonder if 54 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: if there's a Pro Football Reference has a thing called 55 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: the the Pro Football Hall of Fame Monitor. Yeah, you've 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: used this before. It's a pretty interesting situation. So if 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: you look at Marquise Pouncey's career, these are the centers 58 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: who rank ahead of him on the on the Hall 59 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: of Fame monitor at the center all time. Dermanti Dawson's 60 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: number one, as he should be by the way, Jim 61 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Otto's number two, Mike Webster number three, bad Dwight Stevenson 62 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: number four, and he and much like the like. The 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: debate at the time throughout the the late seventies early 64 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: eighties was which center is better Webster or Dwight Stevenson. 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: And Stevens was a little younger. He kind of succeed 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: you and took over the mantel. You know, Um, Webster 67 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: is just a little bit higher than him. Um, then 68 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: right below that the average Hall of famers a hundred nine. 69 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: As so right below that is Kevin Y. I didn't 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: think belong to keep that quiet to myself, but okay, 71 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: eight Pro Bowls, three times first Team All Pro, so 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: very similar numbers to Pouncy, Jim Langer, Yeah, Mike or 73 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: McK Tingelhoff m hm, and then Marquise Pouncey. All the 74 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: guys ahead of him on I just mentioned are already 75 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. And those last three names 76 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: don't make you jump up and down like wow, they're 77 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: the best centers ever, but they're in the Hall of Fame. 78 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: Those are also the only centers in the Hall of Fame. Okay, 79 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: I was sentner thinking like who else could else who 80 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: else do we consider all time grades? Really besides those 81 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: first four you mentioned the new Steelers and Auto and 82 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: the guys right behind Pouncy Jeff Saturday, Huh, Tom Naylan really, 83 00:04:54,880 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: Alex mack uh Mark Stepnoski. I thought step was really 84 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: good player. Yeah, uh, j Hilgenberg. These aren't that great 85 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: lend the house. It's not like there's a wide receiver 86 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: position a million receivers that are just begging to get 87 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: in with this awesome resume. So yeah, I mean he's 88 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: right there on that front, like I could see him 89 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: getting like if you if you sort that by Pro 90 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: Bowls made Jim Watto's number one with twelve he played 91 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: fifteen years, Webster and Pounce or second with nine, just 92 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: behind your all time ever center. Wow, I'm gonna be 93 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: very honest. I mean, I don't mean to like rain 94 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: on Pouncings parade because this is a big day. As 95 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: soon as he said that Hall of Fame, because it 96 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: has been brought up to me before, I immediately say no. 97 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: And I think I'm part of Steeler Nation where we've 98 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: seen the two best ever. Basically, you know, like if 99 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: he would played for the Packers or Bears, or somebody 100 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: else without a doubt. I think his his computation or 101 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: his case in the public eye might or even in 102 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: the local I might be stronger like he's the second 103 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: best center. Well that's that's the problem, that's the problem 104 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: with with playing that position for the Steelers. You're right, 105 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: you're going to be measured against Dawson and Webster. And 106 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: they're probably the best too that I've ever lived right there. 107 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, if they're not the best too there as 108 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: as the Hall of Fame Mothers is, they're two of 109 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: the best three exactly exactly. I mean, I'll take Dawson 110 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,239 Speaker 1: over everybody times a million. And that's not the standard though. 111 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's not you don't have to be better 112 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: than dirt to be But when you compare him to 113 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: his contemporaries, the other guys that have played his position, 114 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden you go, okay, maybe that 115 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: is I was thinking of Mac, But I was also like, well, 116 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: who else are in the conversation? I remember when I 117 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: when I when I did the vote last year, Um, 118 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: they give you the list of all the guys who 119 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: made Pro Bowls, all the guys who are all prone. Yeah, 120 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: so you so you make sure because I mean you're 121 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: looking back ten years, you know you may you may 122 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: forget somebody and stop you real quick. I know that 123 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: those can be kind of goofy. If came in the 124 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: league in doesn't help your cause me on all decade 125 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: teams five and five or I mean unless you're you know, 126 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: five time first team All Pro if you're great, right right, 127 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: But you couldn't put ten years in that decade. To me, 128 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: it came down to Poundcy macin Pouncy over Mac Rodney Hudson. 129 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking how Hudson and Kelsey, and Kelsey was 130 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: the other um and the difference for me over those 131 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: other guys was, first of all, Pouncey had more, more 132 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Pro Bowls and stuff. This is you know, we're not 133 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: playing fantasy football. It's hard to build a resume for 134 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman. He played longer in the in the 135 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: U than than Kelsey in the in that decade. And 136 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: I believe you know, if you I'm looking here for Hudson, 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: I mean he's part of winning teams without questions. That's 138 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: that's the other part of with Hudson. It's just there's 139 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: just not as much there. And the Chiefs weren't the 140 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: Chiefs when he was there, and he's been a good raider. 141 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: But they they're right, you know, and that kind of 142 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: Mac was a Brown all those years too, and it's 143 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: not like he's tearing it up in Atlanta. So to me, 144 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I voted for. I voted for and Mac. Okay, I 145 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: mean my first take when we say all that is, 146 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: it's not there not many great centers there really haven't, 147 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: I mean compared to I mean, I can name a lot. 148 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: You could. You could look back at that last decade 149 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: in fact, just say, well, this is one of the 150 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: better decades depth Wiseberg, you know, or Saturdays of the world. 151 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: You know that ripping on him. We're talking about all 152 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: famed Calper they're great players. But you know, you look 153 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: at any other position on the field, you can come 154 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: up with ten all time greats, or ten guys in 155 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: the last decade or two that at least deserve consideration. 156 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I could make the argument that none of 157 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: those guys deserve of consideration, which to me makes Palsy's 158 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: cave stronger, because if you're the best of the even 159 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: a week, the best of yours, yeah, you're the best 160 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: of your era and that's what you know, and maybe 161 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: we forget how good he was five years ago, eight 162 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: years ago. And here's the here's the thing that injury 163 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: in that when he broke his fimula, had to have 164 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: seven surgeries to clean that thing out, came back and 165 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: played the next year. Alex Alex Smith just had the 166 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: same thing happened to him. Now he wonder went twelve surgeries, 167 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 1: took him two years to get back, and he won. 168 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: He wont comeback Player of the Year. Pouncey didn't even 169 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: get a sniff of that. It did the same thing. Yeah, 170 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: Pouncy came back and started every game the next year, 171 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: It made the Pro Bowl and All Pro I mean, 172 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: you've been to all the practices since then, and it's 173 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: been pretty obvious even to probably most of our viewers 174 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: that if somebody's gonna get a Wednesday off for a 175 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: week seventeen off, that's why that that injury was. I mean, 176 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: fighting through it. His brother fought through a lot too, 177 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: um and part of the you know, I mentioned this 178 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: in the story that I wrote about him. Part of 179 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 1: the reason why he got hurt on some of those 180 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: occasions because it was because he got asked to do 181 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: more in your typical center. It's the stupid pro football 182 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: focused conversation. You know, you think back to when when 183 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: he when he broke his leg or when he tore 184 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: his a c L. He and de Castro, we're out 185 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: on the edge, but like they're they're fifteen yards from 186 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: where they were, from where he snapped the football where 187 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: a lot of centers never find. You don't get your 188 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: center's not getting out there the play where he broke 189 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: his leg again pulling out under the edge too, and 190 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: he gets, you know, gets rolled up from behind. I 191 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: mean a lot of downfield blocking, especially earlier in his career. 192 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: I mean the last year or two, he hasn't moved 193 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: or bend bended the same way as he did before 194 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: his explosive But yeah, I remember, I'll never forget. I 195 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: think it was my first this year aside since there 196 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: was no preseason, but Crawley and I always do the 197 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: postgame preseason games, and I think it's my first one ever. 198 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: Happened to correlate with Pouncy's rookie year, so it was 199 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: let's watch pounds, Matt, show me, tell me what you 200 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: think of pounds. And I remember watching him and the 201 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: first NFL dressing, saying he might be the best linement 202 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: right now, like the way he comes off the ball, 203 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: his stance, his explosion, his spring, his balance, nastiness, finished 204 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: hand usage. I was like, Wow, this guy's really good now. 205 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: And he kept getting better and better. That's like Ramon 206 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: Foster wrote a wrote a piece remembering Pouncey's career for 207 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: for US at d K Pittsburgh Sports dot com. And 208 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: I was editing this thing last night and he was 209 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: telling the story of that first rookie o T. The 210 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: first rookie o T, a first round center and Sean 211 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: Coogler was the coach at the time. And they came 212 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: out and they got through, they get done with practice 213 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: and Coogler's you know, gets everybody around him and he says, okay, guys, 214 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: that was a really good first practice. You guys are 215 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: right here. And he said he put his hand up 216 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: to his nose, you know, and said, you guys, you know, 217 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: really good practice. You guys are right here. He said, Marquis, 218 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: you're and he raised his hand above his head like 219 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: and it was and and he said, from that point on, 220 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: all the veterans, all the guys were looking at Pouncing 221 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: and going we can't let this kid pass quickly. So 222 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: they up their game because he came in, and they 223 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: resented him to some degree to I mean, any way, 224 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: you love it. It's like they took it as they 225 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: took it as a challenge because he brought that out 226 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: in them. Plus that's his nature as a leader and 227 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: as a fiery guy, right, you know, And so it 228 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: raised the level of play for all of them. Yeah. 229 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: When I sat down twenty minutes ago here with you, 230 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: I thought he's not a Hall of Famer. But you 231 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: talk through it, it's a pretty strong case he just 232 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: laid out. I mean, I hope you get to the 233 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: honor of maybe getting him in someday, because that's that's 234 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: a lot to be said, considering who he's played with 235 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: and against at that position as contemporaries. And you know, 236 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: through the history of the league, how many centers are 237 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: better than marquees five. You know, maybe maybe maybe you know, 238 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: right so and looking at this, maybe we so maybe 239 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: we sold Kevin why a little short. Maybe I was 240 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: actually thinking that too, Like if he's the fifth best 241 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: center of all time, well then he should be in. 242 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: He didn't just because you play eight like centers not 243 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: to me. You weren't talking about punters and kickers here. Yeah, 244 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: these are guys that actually play the game every play 245 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: and you're in a lot of lines. Your centers your 246 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: most important guy. The thing about a center is the 247 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: mental side of it is so very important. And the 248 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: announcers aren't gonna be like, boy, did you see the 249 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: check out? And their average fans are couna be like 250 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: man Pounce's checking. He really identified that. Blas passed off 251 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: that stunt better than any center I've ever seen. You know, like, 252 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: you gotta know stuff and study stuff to be part 253 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: of that. And you know, like I've warned our listeners 254 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: that when we talk about the Steelers next center, I'm 255 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: gonna tell you guys, is he tough? Is he smart? 256 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: And if not one of those two boxes and checked, 257 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: move on, I don't care on them. Right. And then 258 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: if you can add athleticism like Pounce he had on 259 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: top of those things, and then you get especially and 260 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: then you got a great player. Right. Yeah, Um, that's 261 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: the problem. Even if I found this. When I'm looking 262 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: at the centers in this year's draft, yeah, four or five, 263 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: I end up I'm comparing them to you know, I 264 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: saw their Monty Dawson play a lot. I've seen Pouncey 265 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: play a lot of hard even saw Harding's play, you know, 266 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: his his entire career. And I'm like, Okay, they don't 267 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: really measure up to those guys, but they're better than 268 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: but they're better than they're again there we talked about 269 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: their four guys coming out that I'd say, okay, you 270 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: could probably put one of those in your line up 271 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: and they would start for you now, right right right, 272 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: them to starters. Yeah, that doesn't mean any of more 273 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers we're gonna be ridiculously great. But Kent 274 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: Hall and all and Crews are on this list, and 275 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: they're like, right, they were fine, they were fine players. Yeah, 276 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure they went to a Pro Bowl. Only Crews 277 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: went to six Pro Bowls. Yeah, but I never thought 278 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: of him as Kent Hall was a two time first 279 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: time alright, first team All Pro? Okay, yeah, I mean 280 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: it's funny. I hadn't thought about the center legacy in 281 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: the league. Jay Hilgenberg was went to seven robles and 282 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: was a two time first team All Pro. Like, yeah, 283 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: the there all fine, And I haven't studied every snap 284 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: of these guys, but none of them. Do you say, 285 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: there's not many even Hilgenbird jerseys floating around, you know, 286 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: like my son who's a student of the game. Probably 287 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: it was none of those names, you know what I mean, 288 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Like they're not stars by the NFL, you know criteria. Yeah, 289 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be interesting. It'll be an interesting conversation. 290 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: And well, there'll be five more years to talk about 291 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: it before that, because it will be five years before 292 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: Pouncey is eligible to be in the Hall of Fame. 293 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: He won't make it on this even if he's not 294 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: gonna be a slam dunk guy. I mean put it 295 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: this way, you know, when you look at Fanica. According 296 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: to this list as to get in the Hall of 297 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: Fame monitor, Fanica is the fourth best guard of all time, 298 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: which is about where pounds he is, I mean in 299 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. But he took Fanica six years to get in. 300 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: And there are many more guards in the Hall of 301 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: Fame than there are, and the names around him are 302 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: way more recognized. I'm sure there's Larry Allen and Hannah 303 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, no brainers. By the way, Fanni 304 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: is way ahead of Hutchinson on this list too. Yeah, 305 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: you've said that before. Interesting, but h yeah, I mean 306 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna I think it's cool. They're retired together, by 307 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: the way, the twins, Yeah, absolutely, I mean they work 308 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: out work out together in the offseason. Obviously, I've only 309 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: seen the two of them together, I think once when 310 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: they played here at the one time. I'm talking about 311 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: in person, but I saw them. I can't I'm trying 312 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: to think of where that happened, and I can't think 313 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: of it off the top of my head. But it's 314 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: scary image. Other than it's and that they have some 315 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: different tattoos. You have to know who type. That's the 316 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: only way you can tell them apart they just soundlikely, yeah, 317 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: identical to I mean, you couldn't be any more identical. 318 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: I always think about it, like, imagine if you were 319 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: Florida and you had both those dudes, you know, and really, 320 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: Mike would start for center at every other college in 321 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: the country except for this one because his brother is there, 322 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: and then he stays in school an extra year. I 323 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: assumed it was. I'm trying to think why he would 324 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: have done that. Obviously, there the same age down to 325 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: the minute, almost, and he stuck around a year longer. 326 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: Was it because he was wanted to staff the ball 327 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: in college for a year because he didn't get a 328 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: chance to do that. I think maybe you know, perhaps 329 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: you know Markis was also a first team All American 330 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I mean, first round pick center 331 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: grow On Trees is the eighteenth pick in the draft, 332 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: right right, that center that's an elite. I mean, that's 333 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: like Jonathan Ogden going to the top five, you know, 334 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: like or Quentin Nelson going. I can't even remember the 335 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: last time a center went that high. That's what I'm thinking, 336 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: Like who Dawson was two or three? I mean, Dawson 337 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: Dawson was the second round pick, Stevenson one. I don't know, 338 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: but I mean, but I can't think of it centers. 339 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's very rare that the center goes in 340 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: the first round to begin with, let alone the eighteenth 341 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: pick in the draft, Like if you we're missing a couple. 342 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: But man, no one that comes out. I mean Ryan 343 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: Khalil I believe went in the first year he did, 344 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: so did the current Colts. Nick Mangold was a first 345 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: round Mangold was a really really good player too. I 346 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: kind of thought he had a Hall of Fame case too. 347 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: I remember watching him the Senior Bowl thinking he was 348 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: he don't think it lasted long enough. But yeah, he 349 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: is way down the list here. At he was a 350 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: deserved first round pick. Ryan Kelly was the first end 351 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: of the playing eleven years and was seven seven Pro 352 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: Bowls and two uh TOW first Team All Pros. But 353 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: as Hall of Fame scores, is only forty six point 354 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: three three. That's funny because it's dames you mentioned. I'll 355 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: take mangled over almost all of them. He's just ahead 356 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: of Hardings. Okay. I remember even watching them in high 357 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: school and we didn't get him at paid obviously, but yeah, 358 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: he was really really good. Um, but yeah, it's pretty 359 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: darn rare. We came up with like three or four 360 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: names in the last twenty years that are saying there's 361 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: not gonna be any of this year, right, Yeah, there 362 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: wasn't any last year. That's just you know when people 363 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: talk about that, and obviously center now becomes a very 364 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: big need for the Steelers in the draft. Um, it's 365 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: not first it's not something you're gonna do in the 366 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: first round. No. I was just on the on the 367 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: air withstand and he's like, well pounds he was an 368 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: eighteenth pick. You know, are you are you down with 369 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: taking one like if if if Pouncey was coming out right, 370 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: not just because sound was gonna just take one, just 371 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: to say, you know, if I had, if the centers 372 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: are all ranked and you know, forty five to seventy, 373 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: which is I believe where they're that's somewhere in there, 374 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm not taking one of four. No, absolutely not. And 375 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: maybe I would trade down twice like we often do, 376 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: or you know this dealer's second round pick one of 377 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: those four who's ever there? Pick from one or two 378 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: of them? Absolutely. I think that's why you know we've 379 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: traded down so much. I mean, we kind of assumed 380 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: this was going to happen. Now it's now it's reality, right, Um, 381 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, trading down to acquire you know, more picks 382 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: in that second or third round gives you more shot 383 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: at one of those four and the running back and 384 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: the running back. Right, I'm doing more and more running 385 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: back homework and I'm some guys I'm starting to warm 386 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: up too. But it feels like there's two you know 387 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: that really fit, that really fit what you want. But 388 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: he's not the style I think that people want. You know, 389 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: Williams and Harris, the two obviously that we're talking about. 390 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: It's hard. So I mean, you know, to me, if 391 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: if Harris is there in the first roundings, I would 392 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: probably take him and then he grabbed the center in 393 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: the second round and then get myself a developmental tackle 394 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: in the third because there could be one. Yeah. The tackles, 395 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. Yeah, I mean it's there's 396 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: there's there's at least twelve to fifteen guys. Yeah, that 397 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: you would be very happy with that absolutely. I mean, 398 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: you know you're talking about you know, when you're fifteen kids, 399 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: a Cincinnati kid who's a you know, a developmental guy, 400 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: absolutely highly athletic and former defensive lineman. Actually, at the 401 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: same time, you know, if you can get that tackle 402 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: early and he comes, you're starting left tackle. You know, 403 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: let's Derris saw falls, so you gotta take him because 404 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: probably over Harris. Yeah, but it makes it tough to 405 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: get that back then, it makes it difficult to get 406 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: to back in the center unless you write start trading 407 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: future picks. Tackles are the most premium by far of 408 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: those three things. Absolutely, villain a Wave was gonna make 409 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: a lot of money, whether he deserves it or not, 410 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, Hubbard, all these guys, but it's the one 411 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: that I think you could do the best with your 412 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: third pick on in this draft. A. Yeah, it's deeper 413 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: in this draft, it's deeper. Those other two spots are 414 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: much thinner. Yes, I mean the economists, the statisticians, the 415 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: metrics people would be like, take the tackle first, and 416 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: then centers and running backs don't matter. But if you 417 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: could shut out on those centers and running backs, you're 418 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: in trouble. Yeah, you know, unless you feel like you 419 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: can teach somebody and then you're getting the money ball, 420 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: it's extremely difficult. Can't you just teach anybody to play 421 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: first base learning up on the fly at the professional level? Right? Yeah, 422 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: you've played offensive line before, but you've never done it 423 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: with one hand because you're snapping the ball and then 424 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: getting the ball. The shotguns staff, we saw palsy shock 425 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: and snapper then went awry. We saw what happen and 426 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: then what was a conference champion super Bowl? Yeah, when 427 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: we're flying over Brady's head, it happens. Oh yeah, Peyton 428 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: Manning and the Super Bowl. You know, you don't think 429 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: of it until you think of it. Yeah, It's almost 430 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: like the long snapper, you know, I just you never 431 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: think about the long snapper until the ball bounces back 432 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: to the punters one. But I do think the Steel 433 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: is in a good position to find one of those four. 434 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: And there may even be another name that arises. And 435 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: the more we homework we do or they like or um. 436 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: We had kind of talked about the soft the air. Ideally, 437 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: I think you'd love to find a Wiznowski, cheap swingman, veteran, 438 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: maybe opening day starter, because it's not that it's not 439 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: j I'd be happy not ever seeing him, you know, 440 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: more power to him. Mean he did, he's hung around 441 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's but he's he might he's undersized, even 442 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: the first center. It's funny. He looks funny out there. Yeah, 443 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean he looks like everybody's little brother us and 444 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: that's a problem. Yeah, Um, you gotta do better than that. Yeah, 445 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they will do better than that 446 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: with their backup. They definitely will do better than that. 447 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Austin Howard is a chance 448 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: to be open. You can always bring a Q Shipley back, 449 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: like he's been around the block. Maybe a Q would 450 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: take the hometown discount for one year and pure Center. 451 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: He's hey, stefone was Newski could be available again to 452 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: the super Bowl. Was not his finest moments, not for 453 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: I think we mentioned this Monday that everyone is saying, boy, 454 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: it was still so dumb for cutting with new Ski 455 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: exactly hold up so well. They had five turnstyles out there. 456 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: He wasn't the rock of the group or anybody, but yeah, 457 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: it's it's it's gonna be uh interesting. Um, you know, 458 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: moving on from Pound definitely changes the tenor of that 459 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: locker room. Mean when you think about I was talking 460 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: with Ramon yesterday, I said, if you when you look 461 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 1: at it, um, you know that line was together for 462 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: so long amazingly. Yeah, and now essentially you're there's a 463 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: good chance that you know, the only guy left on 464 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: it this, you know, is the castro. Yeah, and that'll 465 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: be a a big thing is finding a tough, smart leader, 466 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, all those type of things. That's kind of 467 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: the thing that I like about the Bama Dude, the 468 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: Bama Center Dickerson is it seems like that's his forte 469 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: nastiness and he also could play guard, Not that that's 470 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: what you're looking for, but Um, it's gonna be hard 471 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: to replace. Considering it over a two year period, you 472 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: lose a Ramon going a wave and pouncy three three cornerstones. Um. 473 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: And you know I've seen people say, well, they need 474 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: to move on from the Castro. You want to you 475 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: want to go with a whole whole I don't know 476 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: that that's right. I don't think that now you need 477 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: You need somebody there who's the who's the adult in 478 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: the room. And you've got a guy there who still 479 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: still plays at a reasonably high level, you know, even 480 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: have his best year. New to anybody on that line. 481 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: But I don't know the Castro healthy for a lot 482 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: of I'll put my money on him bouncing back next year. Yes, 483 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: because he's been too good of a player for too long. 484 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: They have some older guys that I wouldn't say that. 485 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm not saying about everybody but them might trust to 486 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: be a high end player next year. Yeah, I do 487 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: as well. So. But the Marquise Pouncey announcing his retirement 488 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: after eleven seasons, we wish him well and uh the Steelers, Oh, 489 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: by the way, save eight million dollars in salary cap space, 490 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 1: which they can put the good use. They can definitely 491 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: put the good use, and hopefully as the next week 492 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: or so, we'll have some more answers with cap situations 493 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: and Steeler restructures and whatnot. And I'm sure people are 494 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: gonna begging they've got enough room for JJ, and we'll 495 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: probably talk about that in another we'll talk about that 496 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: and a little bit later today, but we're gonna take 497 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: a break now. He is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lali. 498 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.