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Speaker 1: you tonight. So let's get into headlines that's can be
Speaker 1: getting with Kim Jonghoon, the only brutal dictator made in
Speaker 1: a build to bear workshop. This week, the North Korean
Speaker 1: leader announced a new law that no one else in
Speaker 1: the country can have the same name as his ten
Speaker 1: year old daughter Jue. And this hits me personally because
Speaker 1: I'm you're ahead of it. I'm pretty jew A. Just
Speaker 1: imagine how much this would suck for all the other
Speaker 1: Jewey's out there. You know they got to change their name.
Speaker 1: Now you've got to switch your name on your internet bill,
Speaker 1: your cable bill, your newspaper subscription. I mean they don't
Speaker 1: have those there. But still moving on to some important
Speaker 1: news from the world of science. I was listening to
Speaker 1: the radio yesterday and I heard something that stopped me. Short.
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Speaker 1: is on the rise. I'm sorry, what kind of radio
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Speaker 1: penis on the threes. But yes, according to a new study,
Speaker 1: the average erect penis length has increased over the last
Speaker 1: three decades to five point five inches. I know right.
Speaker 1: Women in the audience are going, that's it, and the
Speaker 1: men are like, oh, thank god. Now. No one is
Speaker 1: sure why this happened. My theory is that at some
Speaker 1: point around men started measuring their penises starting from their assholes.
Speaker 1: This is uh, this is not how we expected men
Speaker 1: to evolve. Over the last thirty years, women have been saying, please,
Speaker 1: we just want you to be more in touch with
Speaker 1: your emotions, and men are like, all we can give
Speaker 1: you is a longer dick, and we're like, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: take it. Well, let's move on to presidential race, where
Speaker 1: GOP candidate Nicky Haley launched her campaign with a rally
Speaker 1: that featured a very interesting opening act. This is John Hagey.
Speaker 1: He's an American pastor and a televangelist with a history
Speaker 1: of making outlandishly offensive comments. In two thousand six, he
Speaker 1: claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God's way of punishing the
Speaker 1: city for allowing a gay pride parade. He once claimed
Speaker 1: that God sent Hitler to hunt the Jewish people as
Speaker 1: part of a divine plan to drive them back to
Speaker 1: the land of Israel, and he claimed women are only
Speaker 1: meant to be mothers and bear children. But Pastor Hagey
Speaker 1: has found a presidential candidate who is willing to embrace him. Today,
Speaker 1: he gave the opening prayer for the presidential campaign kickoff
Speaker 1: for former Governor Nicky Haley. To Pastor Hagey, I still
Speaker 1: say I want to be you when I grow up,
Speaker 1: oh Pastor Haggie. I hope one day I can appreciate
Speaker 1: Hitler as much as you do. I mean, right now,
Speaker 1: my appreciation of Hitler is like here, I want to
Speaker 1: get it up, get it up to about here short
Speaker 1: and look. You know, sure this guy thinks the Holocaust
Speaker 1: is good, and that's not good. But on the bright side,
Speaker 1: he doesn't believe it happened. You know, you gotta take
Speaker 1: the double is where you can. But Perapster. Haggie wasn't
Speaker 1: the only notable person there last night. Jordan Klepper also
Speaker 1: headed down to Nicki Haley's rally for another installment of
Speaker 1: Fingers the Pulse. Check it out. Nicky Haley, the former
Speaker 1: South Carolina governor and up you an ambassador, has decided
Speaker 1: to throw her head of the ring and run against
Speaker 1: her old boss. So I went to her campaign launch
Speaker 1: in South Carolina to see if the party was really
Speaker 1: ready to turn the page. Are you excited about Nikki
Speaker 1: Haley for Presidents? Very excited. She's done great things for
Speaker 1: South Carolina. She's tough, she's a woman women role. The
Speaker 1: Republican Party needs a change if we need someone with
Speaker 1: Nikki's foreign policy expertise. I love Donald Trump, but I
Speaker 1: think that she has more of a feminine finness. You
Speaker 1: think Trump as a harder time with communicating with ladies.
Speaker 1: He has a harsher approach when it comes to women,
Speaker 1: and he sometimes has to pay for it, and he's
Speaker 1: sometimes has a hard time navigating it. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: I think she's really rotting to get like. I don't
Speaker 1: think she'll win. Oh, I think it's her VP. So
Speaker 1: this is just sort of like batting practice. It is
Speaker 1: fun to be here. Why not VP or President? I
Speaker 1: was curious to see how Haley could win over ardent
Speaker 1: Trump supporters. I voted for Trump, but I certainly will
Speaker 1: not be doing that again. When did Trump lose your support?
Speaker 1: Now in the conference for me with Donald Trump, let
Speaker 1: me guess Charlotte spill. Nope, but okay, let me kid.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna guess it. Kids in cages Nope. The
Speaker 1: interaction January six, the nope, okay, Wait on first of
Speaker 1: truck nope, second hope okay. Uh inviting white supremacist over
Speaker 1: to morro Laga, No, but damn. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: criticizing the Shantis before his election, wouldn't. Guest didn't. So
Speaker 1: that's the line, right, That was the nowl on the conference.
Speaker 1: I would have guess kids in cages? I told you
Speaker 1: you when the guest did. This is the way you
Speaker 1: come on and talk to people. You're constantly surprised. Haley
Speaker 1: has been either a strong Trump critic or a vocal
Speaker 1: Trump ally, depending on the time of day. Could this
Speaker 1: pose a problem? Did you feel like she sufficiently stood
Speaker 1: up to Donald Trump when she needed to? I think
Speaker 1: she has, and I think he's not afraid to stand
Speaker 1: up to any mail or female with her voice of opinion. Yes,
Speaker 1: after January six, she wasn't afraid to say this is disgusting.
Speaker 1: That's and then a couple of weeks later to say
Speaker 1: they were being too hard on him. Yes, yes, we agree. Agree.
Speaker 1: An individual respects you if you can stand up to that.
Speaker 1: So if something avil happens, like Charlotte'sville speaks her mind,
Speaker 1: Charlotteville happens, she's not afraid to criticize Trump. Walk right
Speaker 1: in there and and in her fifty two week notice,
Speaker 1: right is right. She knows right from wrong. It's a
Speaker 1: campaign that's distancing itself from the far right fringe, except
Speaker 1: if you look closely at Haley's first speaker, Pastor John Hage,
Speaker 1: who has unusual views on the weather. As a cand
Speaker 1: you have that responsibility to not get in the gutter,
Speaker 1: so hopefully we can stay in a more positive plans. Well,
Speaker 1: the first person I saw on stage was Pastor Hage,
Speaker 1: who thinks hurricanes are a punishment for k people? Is
Speaker 1: that really what he said? How long ago was that
Speaker 1: that was? That was wrong? Katrina? Yeah, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: that's an interesting opening act. Pastor Hagee has said that
Speaker 1: hurricanes were God's punishment for gaze. Oh no, preaches the gospel.
Speaker 1: I mean I followed him for years. But maybe if
Speaker 1: she wants to track moderates, come in with a little
Speaker 1: bit more of a moderate pastor who thinks something more acceptable,
Speaker 1: like tornadoes are caused by too much masturbation. Oh my goodness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's way out there. Now, that's too far. And there's
Speaker 1: that line again. All right, when we come back, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why you're so mad, So don't go away.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Daily Show. Ever, notice how you
Speaker 1: hate everyone who just agrees with you. If you said yes,
Speaker 1: then you're not alone. And if you said no, then
Speaker 1: you But you're not the only one who feels this way.
Speaker 1: After two hundred and forty four years together as a nation,
Speaker 1: we seem to be growing apart. Americans are fiercely split,
Speaker 1: not only about policy but on the basic decency of
Speaker 1: the other side. Growing shares in each party now describe
Speaker 1: those in the other party as more closed minded, dishonest, immoral,
Speaker 1: and unintelligent. According to an NBC poll, six of college
Speaker 1: Democrats say they would not dorm with a Republican of
Speaker 1: Americans now have few or no friends across the aisle.
Speaker 1: In a poll before the last election, percent of Republicans
Speaker 1: and twenty of Democrats agreed that the country would be
Speaker 1: better off if large numbers of the opposing party just died.
Speaker 1: We'd be better off off the other side just died.
Speaker 1: What that's crazy? Please think about it. The entire country
Speaker 1: would be haunted by the ghosts of your enemies. Enemies who,
Speaker 1: by the way, cannon will watch you master be And
Speaker 1: why can't you share a dorm room with someone you
Speaker 1: disagree with politically? It's it's a difference of opinion, not
Speaker 1: airborne chlamydia. Also, it would be great to dorm with
Speaker 1: a Republican. Do you know how fun it would be
Speaker 1: to sexile someone who doesn't even believe in pre marital sex. Sorry,
Speaker 1: don't come in, we're drying our wet spot with your
Speaker 1: all Lives Matter shirt. Sure. So the question is how
Speaker 1: did we as a country become this divided? Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it in our latest installment of Long Story Short
Speaker 1: m Outrage in America isn't new. It's one of our
Speaker 1: oldest pastimes, right behind baseball and racism. But what is
Speaker 1: new is just how much money entire industries are making
Speaker 1: off our outrage, starting with social media. Their entire business
Speaker 1: model depends on keeping your eyeballs on the screen until
Speaker 1: your tokes gets numb on the toilet seed, and nothing
Speaker 1: does that better than anger. I've actually been on the
Speaker 1: toilet with my phone so long that I p again.
Speaker 1: In eighteen, and internal Facebook report showed that their algorithm
Speaker 1: purposely feeds users divisive content and ordered it increased time
Speaker 1: on their platform. We've all experienced this. I mean, personally,
Speaker 1: I am way more likely to click on some dudes
Speaker 1: transphobic ramps than another picture of my cousin twins. I mean,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, both those kids are step in
Speaker 1: their own truly fascinating way. They're not keeping me scrolling
Speaker 1: till two a m. And once the algorithm figures out
Speaker 1: what pisces you off, it runs with it right off
Speaker 1: a cliff. In the summer of two thousand and nineteen,
Speaker 1: Facebook ran an experiment. It created a fake account for
Speaker 1: a forty one year old mom living in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: They called her Carol Smith. Carol started off by liking
Speaker 1: a few popular conservative Facebook pages like Fox News, Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: and Milannia Trump, but quickly, Facebook began dragging her down
Speaker 1: a rabbit hole of misinformation after only two days. Two days,
Speaker 1: Facebook recommended Carol follow a q and on page, and
Speaker 1: a few days later it suggested she follow another. By
Speaker 1: week three of the experiment, Carol's feed had become quote
Speaker 1: a constant flow of misleading and polarizing content, and so
Speaker 1: Facebook began sending push notifications. One notification was actually to
Speaker 1: a Facebook post claiming Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Wow.
Speaker 1: Facebook radicalized the person in just three weeks. Even Isis
Speaker 1: was like, why can't we get numbers like that? And
Speaker 1: that's just one example. Everything on the internet is so sweaty.
Speaker 1: I bought one credenza from west Selman sixteen and ever
Speaker 1: since then they've been emailing me like five times a day,
Speaker 1: and by the fifth one, they're so desperate. They're like,
Speaker 1: if you check out our new throw pillows, we'll suck
Speaker 1: your But as bad as the Internet is, studies show
Speaker 1: that it's nothing compared to how cable news increases polarization,
Speaker 1: because at least on the Internet, different viewpoints sneak their
Speaker 1: way into your feeds, But nobody on Earth is flipping
Speaker 1: back and forth between MSNBC and Fox News except for
Speaker 1: me because I like to break out of my bubble
Speaker 1: and watch the reverse mortgage commercials from both sides. Now,
Speaker 1: all the major cable news networks rile you up, but
Speaker 1: no one is better at it than Fox News. They've
Speaker 1: become the top cable news network by making their viewers livid,
Speaker 1: and they're not subtle about it either. This story will
Speaker 1: have you fired up. This morning, US soldiers now learning
Speaker 1: about the dangers of white privilege. We have a story
Speaker 1: that will make your blood boil. Infamous social justice warrior
Speaker 1: calling Kaepernick is now the brand new face of a
Speaker 1: Nike ad campaign. If you just paid your taxes, this
Speaker 1: next story will piss you off. This is going to
Speaker 1: enrage you. You're going to be outraged when we tell
Speaker 1: you what happened. Prepared to be outraged, Get ready to
Speaker 1: be angry. The story is gonna make you sick. This
Speaker 1: story will make you want to throw your newspaper. Make
Speaker 1: your blood boiled. This next news story is going to
Speaker 1: make you so mad you'll want to punch yourself in
Speaker 1: the butthole. You'll be so manuell puke on your nana.
Speaker 1: You'll be so outraged by this next story, You'll rip
Speaker 1: out all your pubes in one poll. Thank you, cable News.
Speaker 1: Now at the top of the anger food chain are
Speaker 1: the politicians who benefit the most from our outrage. Because
Speaker 1: politicians know that rage equals donations. That's why they're constantly
Speaker 1: pushing stupid culture war issues on us, whether they're real
Speaker 1: or completely made up. This morning, a new warning about
Speaker 1: the dangers of misinformation spreading online and making its way
Speaker 1: into political races, and this latest claim that some school
Speaker 1: districts are providing cat litter boxes for students who identify
Speaker 1: as cats. The first sign of the rumor in the
Speaker 1: US appears to have been at this Michigan school board
Speaker 1: meeting last December, where it was discussed by a parent
Speaker 1: without crue, then shared on Facebook by a chairwoman of
Speaker 1: the Michigan Republican Party referring to furies. The false story
Speaker 1: sneaking its way across the country and now into Republican
Speaker 1: stump speeches. Have you heard about the litter boxes stuff?
Speaker 1: If we don't push back on a cat, they put
Speaker 1: tails on and they demand that they have a litter
Speaker 1: box in the school, not because there's actual cats in
Speaker 1: the room, but because there's kids going around licking themselves
Speaker 1: as though they're cats. We've literally got kids who think
Speaker 1: they're cats and dogs using litter boxes in classrooms. No,
Speaker 1: you don't, You literally don't. Kids are not trying to
Speaker 1: ship in litter boxes in the school or at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, most kids won't ship in toilets in school,
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Other kids might't know that you
Speaker 1: ship and that's a secret. This is how I know
Speaker 1: it's a lie because they don't have one exam full
Speaker 1: of it happening, not one. But that didn't stop them
Speaker 1: from spreading it because it benefits them. So long story short,
Speaker 1: if you're wondering why you're so angry all the time,
Speaker 1: it's not a coincidence. The system is designed to provoke you.
Speaker 1: And politicians like this system because they profit from it,
Speaker 1: they survive from it. They can say anything as long
Speaker 1: as it's what their audience wants to believe. That's why
Speaker 1: when there was a bill that would have required fundraising
Speaker 1: emails to be fact checked, Marjorie Taylor Green blocked it. Now,
Speaker 1: that was a lie I just made up. But you're like,
Speaker 1: get up, don't you. We're so ready to donate to
Speaker 1: my campaign, And once you notice how much this system
Speaker 1: profits off your anger. It's not surprising that people would
Speaker 1: like the other side to just die. It's not surprised
Speaker 1: that people are afraid to dorm with the monsters who
Speaker 1: believe different lies than us. It's not even surprising when
Speaker 1: a mob of people believing they are righteous storm the capital,
Speaker 1: an event where ironically, a bunch of furries used Nancy
Speaker 1: Pelosi's office as a little boy. All right, thank you,
Speaker 1: because when we come back, we'll talk more about this
Speaker 1: with New Yorker writer g Show. My guest tonight as
Speaker 1: a staff writer at The New Yorker and author of
Speaker 1: the bestseller Trick Mirror Reflections on Self Delusion. She's here
Speaker 1: to talk about social media companies monetizing hate and how
Speaker 1: we can use the Internet as a force for good.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Ga Tolentino. So you've written about social media
Speaker 1: companies and how they monetize rage. Is there any way too,
Speaker 1: Is there any way that they could be incentivized to
Speaker 1: stop this. One way that I think about it is like,
Speaker 1: did corporations all throughout, like the last century until the
Speaker 1: seventies have any incentive to stop like poisoning rivers and
Speaker 1: dumping their waste all over the place. They didn't. It's
Speaker 1: like cheaper to be shitty, right like they like it
Speaker 1: is it is in their financial best interest to just
Speaker 1: keep poisoning the river until someone makes them stop, which
Speaker 1: we could, but like, you know, it's in their best
Speaker 1: and just for us to feel bad, right like you
Speaker 1: never hear someone being like I had an amazing day.
Speaker 1: I I just sat and I scrolled for six hours,
Speaker 1: right Like, it's like you only do that when you
Speaker 1: feel You only scroll that long when you feel bad.
Speaker 1: And when you do that, when you scroll for that long,
Speaker 1: you feel even worse, and then you do it more,
Speaker 1: and that cycle is the primary ways. Like cocaine, it
Speaker 1: is like, right, I was chasing that first one. It's
Speaker 1: just not going to come back. Yeah, exactly. But um,
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I see stories pop up that give
Speaker 1: me outrage, and I realized that they're designed to do it.
Speaker 1: Like it took me a second. A friend of mine
Speaker 1: whose leans a little right, texted me this story about
Speaker 1: how the LGBT community wants to uh ban natural you know,
Speaker 1: you make me feel like a natural or Aretha Franklin
Speaker 1: and I did like two cliques of research, and of
Speaker 1: course it was from a parody account, but picked up
Speaker 1: from papers. And then the parody account even said afterwards,
Speaker 1: like nobody called us for a comment, right, right, and
Speaker 1: then on no one check the about page on the website. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then on the left, you know, I read an
Speaker 1: article about the Missouri Senate making women's senators they couldn't
Speaker 1: worse sleeveless shirts, and I was about to go ape ship,
Speaker 1: and then I went, oh, but the men afterwards ties
Speaker 1: in suits. It's just a dress code, but it was
Speaker 1: designed to make me go bananas, and it did, right,
Speaker 1: I mean everything, like if you are on a social
Speaker 1: media platform, that what you see is governed by an algorithm,
Speaker 1: which is basically all the major ones. It's all designed
Speaker 1: to make you feel like the best person possible and
Speaker 1: that everyone else is a dumb piece of ship. Like
Speaker 1: that's that is, that is what gets us to spend
Speaker 1: as much time on there as possible. Yeah. I used
Speaker 1: to go that righteousness porn. Yeah yeah, And then you
Speaker 1: realize you don't actually want to see these male law
Speaker 1: wakers wearing tank tops anyway, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Maybe we don't want see anyone'sup our arms, so I
Speaker 1: just want to be able to say point to someone
Speaker 1: I was wrong and he is right, and then you
Speaker 1: get off on it. And it's also like there's so
Speaker 1: many things to actually be mad about, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's you know, it's like some celebrities
Speaker 1: sets something done. It's like do do we care? Does
Speaker 1: does this matter? Does? Like? I think one of the
Speaker 1: things that drives me personally nuts about all of it
Speaker 1: is that there's no sense of scale. It's like everything
Speaker 1: is presented as equally and maximally enraging, when actually there
Speaker 1: are some things that matter a lot, most things matter
Speaker 1: very little or nothing at all, and we're taught that,
Speaker 1: you know, we should all be as mad as possible
Speaker 1: about all of it all the time. Right Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you went off Twitter a few years ago, congratulation,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you grank here, I'm so much.
Speaker 1: I thought it would turned me into like a genius
Speaker 1: and like a like a great happy person, and it,
Speaker 1: you know, just I'm wasting just a little less time,
Speaker 1: right right. But I mean, like I definitely like I'm
Speaker 1: kind of exit only on there now and all right,
Speaker 1: I just like we'll post stuff I need to post
Speaker 1: fort or something but that has made my life a
Speaker 1: little definitely a little bit you realize that Twitter or
Speaker 1: is not the world right right, And I mean I
Speaker 1: got off because, like, I don't know if you had
Speaker 1: this experience, but it was like, as soon as the
Speaker 1: pandemic started, you know, and my my life shrank to
Speaker 1: you know, one room and a weekly trip to the
Speaker 1: grocery store and the internet balloon to fill the rest
Speaker 1: of my existence. And I was like this, this sucks,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Internet is never supposed to be
Speaker 1: bigger than your life, and when the pandemic made it
Speaker 1: bigger than actual physical life, I was like, I gotta,
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. Twitter is such a
Speaker 1: cesspool now, it's so negative. How do there's is there
Speaker 1: any way to unravel this? Well? I think that as
Speaker 1: long as these companies, the primary way they make their
Speaker 1: money is for us to spend as much time as
Speaker 1: possible on them. And the best way, as you were
Speaker 1: saying in that segment, for us for them to ensure
Speaker 1: that we spend as much time on them as possible
Speaker 1: is through all of the emotions that make us feel
Speaker 1: as bad as possible, self righteousness and anger and you know,
Speaker 1: everyone getting as mad as possible as a group about
Speaker 1: something you're gonna forget about the next day. As long
Speaker 1: as that is the economic model, there is no hope.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, again, as with the corporations
Speaker 1: that were you know, making all the fish die in
Speaker 1: the rivers, you can you can make them change. We
Speaker 1: could regulate this, right if we put pressure on our
Speaker 1: government or yeah, I mean I think our government is
Speaker 1: like how does also nursing at the teet of big tech?
Speaker 1: I think like one, I think one thing that's necessary
Speaker 1: is for people to remember that we can you know,
Speaker 1: we don't have to feel like yeah, yeah, like the internet.
Speaker 1: We all feel insane on the internet. We all feel
Speaker 1: so bad all the time. And that's just the way
Speaker 1: it is, right. I think that I think that we
Speaker 1: it is we are capable of getting as mad about
Speaker 1: this as people did about in the environmental move in
Speaker 1: the seventies, right, like we're we're capable of generating pressure
Speaker 1: and putting it on lawmakers. And there you know, there
Speaker 1: are things like you could end automated recommendations, right. Automated
Speaker 1: recommendations are the reasons that you know, a mom of
Speaker 1: two in Cleveland, you know, starts looking up smoothie recipes
Speaker 1: for her two year old and ends up believing that
Speaker 1: wayfare is shipping, you know, like orphans in their things.
Speaker 1: And you know the while I designed too radical exactly right,
Speaker 1: and and and so much of that, so much of
Speaker 1: that is automated recommendations because that um and and people
Speaker 1: have been recommending for years for for that, you know,
Speaker 1: simply ending those Those are one of the biggest reasons
Speaker 1: that the Internet has gotten so much worse, so much
Speaker 1: less fun so much less surprising, is because these companies
Speaker 1: just identify the kind of person you are and then
Speaker 1: funnel you towards you know, whatever the worst version of
Speaker 1: that person is. YouTube is bizarre. You know. One time
Speaker 1: I made the mistake of going like, what is this globalization?
Speaker 1: Like global lists? What do they mean my global lists?
Speaker 1: And uh I became an anti Semite in like fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing how well it works. You know that
Speaker 1: there there are things like you know, you could end
Speaker 1: legal immunity for these companies if violence is caused by
Speaker 1: something that was generated on these platforms. The worst that
Speaker 1: actual offline life is the more people spend on the internet, right,
Speaker 1: and we just have really done very little in terms
Speaker 1: of public policy, to make actual life better for people, right,
Speaker 1: to give people more money and more freedom, and to
Speaker 1: give people free public spaces to hang out. So the
Speaker 1: only place, so it's not like the only place they
Speaker 1: hang out is the internet. You know, we've done so
Speaker 1: little to improve actual life that I think is one
Speaker 1: of the things that drives people over and over to
Speaker 1: just be like, you know, like for there hours at
Speaker 1: a time. And I mean I feel like a boomer
Speaker 1: saying that, but I feel like that that would help
Speaker 1: a lot. Well. Yeah. Also, it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: social media originally was designed or its intention was to
Speaker 1: connect right, to connect people, but instead I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of put us in silos and it's given us
Speaker 1: this existential like do I exist? You know? I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna selfies. I feel like our are just a
Speaker 1: constant question of do I exist? I exist? Right? And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting, but there's anger. You know, people
Speaker 1: make money from our anger, they clicks from anger. But
Speaker 1: there's some good anger on the internet where people are organizing, right,
Speaker 1: you know, so how do you not how do you differentiate,
Speaker 1: but how do you keep the good anger and get
Speaker 1: us away from the the shitty anger what you were
Speaker 1: saying about connection, It's like we the version of connection
Speaker 1: that is generated through hate is not a kind of
Speaker 1: connection that makes sense in real life. It's not. It's
Speaker 1: only a kind of connection that is incentivized and sounds
Speaker 1: good on the internet, right like in real life, or
Speaker 1: we actually like, oh, I want to spend six hours
Speaker 1: like phase deep in, you know, in the business of
Speaker 1: someone I hate. No, right, like we form we we
Speaker 1: do our business based on like affinity and the things
Speaker 1: that we care about and the things that we like
Speaker 1: positively want. And I think about you know, as much
Speaker 1: as I think the Internet as it's structured right now
Speaker 1: is kind of inevitably an existential and civic that negative
Speaker 1: that there are still these things. I mean, you think
Speaker 1: about the protest summer. They wouldn't have turned into what
Speaker 1: they became, right with like a quarter of Americans, you know,
Speaker 1: hitting the streets at some point if it wasn't for
Speaker 1: like a continual stream of videos on Twitter of police
Speaker 1: brutalizing the protesters at the police brutality protests, right like
Speaker 1: like these, there is still like radical potential. You think
Speaker 1: about what people are doing with abortion access right now
Speaker 1: on the Internet, you know, forming these underground networks and
Speaker 1: getting people to travel across state lines and making sure
Speaker 1: anyone can get pills who needs them. You know, I
Speaker 1: try to remember that, you know, we still can and
Speaker 1: will try to be human on you know, within a
Speaker 1: mechanism that wants us to be less so and we
Speaker 1: can keep doing it. Well, let's se Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the Wild West, but the the leaders are billionaires. And
Speaker 1: I mean everything, I feel like, every single thing, every
Speaker 1: conversation I've had here, I feel like boils down to
Speaker 1: Citizens United because as long as people can line politicians pockets,
Speaker 1: they're buying policy and our votes don't I mean, your
Speaker 1: vote counts, and don't vote, just simply don't count. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's it's very frustrating. It doesn't it's clearly not right,
Speaker 1: like you know, but of course they name its Citizens Unit.
Speaker 1: It sounds beautiful. Let's hold for the siren. I'm just
Speaker 1: getting fun to show that I'm in show business and
Speaker 1: I know how things work. Well. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: part of it, I mean, we see this pushback now
Speaker 1: right there, there is a fomenting sort of push back
Speaker 1: and a dissatisfaction, and you know, the hope is that
Speaker 1: it bubbles over into actual pressure on lawmakers to to
Speaker 1: do something. But you know, for a long time, we
Speaker 1: accepted the general model of Silicon Valley that move fast,
Speaker 1: break things sort of move faster than regulation could ever
Speaker 1: get you. We accepted that it's like, oh, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: we could you know that that will result in us
Speaker 1: pressing a button and getting like you know, a car,
Speaker 1: our doorstep, and you know, and any kind of food
Speaker 1: we want. Like we've we for a really long time
Speaker 1: accepted the conveniences that the internet economy provides us. Such
Speaker 1: little thoughts are convenience, and then they just and then
Speaker 1: they just snap those little handcuffs of anger and yeah,
Speaker 1: you go, like iPhones are made by child labor. I'm gonna, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that seemless click to or Amazon, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, no, no one's boycotting Amazon.
Speaker 1: It's too convenient. Yeah, But the thing is you can
Speaker 1: And I think that like, like the real first step
Speaker 1: in all of this is remembering like we I mean,
Speaker 1: I have to have it's very orwelly and I have
Speaker 1: a program called self control on my computer and a
Speaker 1: program called freedom on my phone and those things because
Speaker 1: I have neither and both, and both of those things
Speaker 1: lock me off of social media for like fifteen hours
Speaker 1: a day. And I have needed to do that because
Speaker 1: I'm such a little slut for all the things that
Speaker 1: makes me mad. And and it does work, like you
Speaker 1: can just refuse to participate in little little bits until
Speaker 1: maybe suddenly your life has changed a little. And I
Speaker 1: and I would, I would recommend you know it's it's
Speaker 1: it's worth a dry Yeah, definitely. I mean they say, like,
Speaker 1: of course nobody can sleep because you're on your phones.
Speaker 1: You're got to turn the screens off. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but also no, but I prefer to drop my phone
Speaker 1: on my phone times and that is when I go
Speaker 1: to Okay, how do we fix the Internet? Um? Is
Speaker 1: there any hope in all of this? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I think in regulation, and I think in public pushback,
Speaker 1: and I think in all of us spending less time
Speaker 1: on our phone. Whether that means refusing convenience, you know,
Speaker 1: certain things that are convenience, I think it means I
Speaker 1: think all of these things are possible, but we have
Speaker 1: to maybe accept that in order to resist social media,
Speaker 1: in order for to resist the constant surveillance that's hitting
Speaker 1: us on our phone, that all these companies are like
Speaker 1: tracking and reselling to other companies to make money off
Speaker 1: of everything we do. We have to maybe we have
Speaker 1: to maybe refuse a little bit of the cheap pleasure
Speaker 1: and the convenience that the phone gives us. But I
Speaker 1: think we can, all right, yea, the definition of trick
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