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Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld. On March fifth, Opened the

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Speaker 1: Books released a report entitled University of Virginia spends twenty

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Speaker 1: with some making five hundred and eighty seven thousand, three

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Speaker 1: hundred and forty dollars per year. The report is just

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Speaker 1: astonishing for a public university to be spending this much

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Speaker 1: and programs. Here to discuss the report, I'm really pleased

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Speaker 1: to welcome back my guests, Adam and Jewski, CEO and

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Speaker 1: founder of Opened the Books. Adam, welcome and thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me again on Newtsworld.

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Speaker 2: Well, mister speaker, it's great to be here. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for your interest in our work. It's great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Well, before we dive into your March fifth report, could

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. How long have you been doing Open the Books?

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Speaker 2: So we launched Illinoi Centric and as you know, Ellinoi

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Speaker 2: is the super Bowl of corruption. If anything on public

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Speaker 2: entirely by accident. So it was a great training ground.

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Speaker 2: We launched September of twenty eleven, for the first time ever,

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Speaker 2: Illinois public employee online. Then we realized we could do

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Speaker 2: what we've done.

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Speaker 1: The degree to what you're able to drill down when

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Speaker 1: you look at your report on March fifth on the

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Speaker 1: University of Virginia, you actually have each employee and the

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Speaker 1: amount they're paid is amazing. Were you surprised by this?

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Speaker 2: We really were. Just to put our investigation in context.

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Speaker 2: On the previous Friday, the University of Florida terminated their

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Speaker 2: Diversity Equity and Inclusion their DEI spend and twenty eight

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Speaker 2: employees were terminated. They lost their jobs, and the University

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Speaker 2: of Florida said that this saved students and taxpayers five

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Speaker 2: in Virginia, founded by no less than Thomas Jefferson, we

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Speaker 2: and so what we found in our payroll database, and

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Speaker 2: via Sunshine request from the university. We found two hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty five university employees, including eighty two students, most

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Speaker 2: when we added up their salaries, quite frankly, we were stunned.

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Speaker 2: It was fifteen million dollars. And that's not total student

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Speaker 2: You had a twenty million dollar annual spend in the

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Speaker 1: If you translate that today into undergraduate students, how many

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Speaker 2: It takes the tuition payments from nearly one thousand undergraduates

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Speaker 2: Think about this. You've got seventeen thousand, five hundred undergraduate

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Speaker 1: If there are one hundred and eighty seven University of

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Speaker 2: This is what they admit all the way into most

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Speaker 2: and she says that the early deaths in Appalachia are

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Speaker 1: The largely white people in Appalachia are dying because they're white.

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Speaker 2: If we had to go into what she means by that,

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Speaker 2: themselves in Appalachia in a toxic culture. That's how I

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Speaker 2: would summarize her position. Well, look at openbooks dot com.

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Speaker 2: We linked to her underlying video. So if you come

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Speaker 1: This one center, they have an Equity Center, an Office

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan said. The nine most terrifying words in the

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Speaker 2: I'm your DEI specialist from the Urology department and I'm

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Speaker 1: But now the university came back and said, you've exaggerated

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Speaker 1: and they claim only fifty five staffers. What's the difference

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about this because this is very important.

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Speaker 2: The university is being disingenuous, they're misleading, and they're trying

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Speaker 2: the total spend of twenty million including benefits. Here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: We released our database and no one's called us. Nobody

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Speaker 2: The university hasn't responded on a position by position account

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Speaker 2: production to our oversight teams. We've asked twice. We've asked

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Speaker 2: Ryan Coy, he's the spokesman. He used to be the

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Speaker 2: so since twenty nineteen he's been at the university. We

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Speaker 1: They're complaining at one level, but I understanding correctly, there

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Speaker 2: Well, that for sure. So you know, as an example

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Speaker 2: the lead on diversity equity inclusion. Well DEI is not

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Speaker 2: but her official title is the librarian for Digital Life.

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Speaker 2: She would only add to the costs.

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Speaker 1: I've obviously taught too many years ago, because you did

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Speaker 2: the Rise Lab at UVA. She speaks and writes about

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Speaker 2: black female sexuality. She describes herself as a born certified sexologist,

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Speaker 2: it for yourself. These are your tax dollars at work.

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Speaker 1: Some of this could actually be pretty good for a

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Speaker 1: Were you able to check out? Is there such a

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Speaker 2: You know, we've been so busy. I just took it

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Speaker 2: at face value. Dude, it did strike me as strange.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time, obviously, I've ever heard about it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a self title or I

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Speaker 2: don't know if at the state level in Virginia there's

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Speaker 2: a board certified six coologists. Now nothing, you know. Look,

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Speaker 2: I'm from Illinois, I'm green eye shaded, I'm cynical. Nothing

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Speaker 1: To go beyond the University Virginia. You also publish a

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Speaker 1: report on US taxpayer subsidies to sort of the elite

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Speaker 1: universities the IVY League plus Stanford in Northwestern, and you

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Speaker 1: calculate that those federal taxpayer subsidies come to about forty

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Speaker 1: I think you raised a ton of fascinating issues. You've

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