WEBVTT - #752 Packers Unscripted: Step back, bounce back

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague West and hodkow it'z. We're coming

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<v Speaker 1>to you hear from our studios at lambeau Field and

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<v Speaker 1>Wes Unfortunately here to talk about a tough loss for

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers twenty four to twenty two on Monday Night

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<v Speaker 1>football against the New York Giants on the road. A

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<v Speaker 1>walkoff field goal decided this one. But bottom line is

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<v Speaker 1>this was a performance the Packers are not proud of

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they even had a chance to win

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<v Speaker 1>the game at the end was kind of a miracle

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<v Speaker 1>and it didn't go their way and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>big opportunity missed as the Packers fall to six and seven.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did our insider Inbox column for Wednesday morning,

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<v Speaker 2>making sure I have my days correctly here and before

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<v Speaker 2>we start breaking down this game, because there's certainly a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to go into. It's a conversation we've had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of times by I think it's so important to

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<v Speaker 2>have because I'm not clairvoyant, I'm not a soothsayer, I

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<v Speaker 2>have no psychic capabilities whatsoever, but so many times not

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<v Speaker 2>so much teams. I don't think the Packers did this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I definitely think in the media people just look

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<v Speaker 2>at records and they say, well, this team is doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>and this team is doing that, and then this team

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<v Speaker 2>by proxy is going to win. There's a reason why

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Lafleur always talks about why you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>it on Sundays, why you have to go out there

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<v Speaker 2>and perform at your highest level regardless of who the

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<v Speaker 2>opponent is. Because, yeah, New York Giants, not a lot's

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<v Speaker 2>gone right for them this year. They were four and

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<v Speaker 2>five going in this matchup.

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<v Speaker 1>But four and eight excuse me, Yeah, four.

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<v Speaker 2>And five was the Saquon Barkley sat I had. They're

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<v Speaker 2>actually now five and five with Barkley this season. But

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<v Speaker 2>it comes down to how a team is playing and

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<v Speaker 2>where you're building towards and in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>for as much as people didn't want to give credit

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<v Speaker 2>to the Giants, they were in the same boat as

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<v Speaker 2>green By. Hey, green Bay's just a little flash here

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of how they've definitely gotten better throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the season. So there's so many things that

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<v Speaker 2>go into this thing. But My number one aspect of

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<v Speaker 2>this was you have to respect every opponent. And much

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<v Speaker 2>like how the Green Bay Packers won a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these games recently with complimentary football. Conversely, they lost it

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<v Speaker 2>with complimentary football on Monday Night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's there's always a lot to be said for

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<v Speaker 1>the adage of it's not whom you play, it's when

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<v Speaker 1>you play them, and I think that has I think

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<v Speaker 1>that has played out throughout the season here for the Packers,

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<v Speaker 1>both in some of the wins, whether you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback injuries on the other side, or the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Lions and Chiefs haven't quite hit their

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<v Speaker 1>stride and the Packers were playing really well in those

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<v Speaker 1>moments and got those wins. And you know, the Giants

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<v Speaker 1>were coming off of a two game winning streak, got

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<v Speaker 1>their bye week to rest up, to gear up, and

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<v Speaker 1>whether you know they're going to make a run in

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<v Speaker 1>a playoff spot or not, they're looking to finish strong

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<v Speaker 1>with Tommy DeVito as their quarterback and seeing where things

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<v Speaker 1>are going. So that whole you know, whom you play

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<v Speaker 1>when you play them thing definitely applies. We sat here.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm having a hard time keeping my day

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<v Speaker 1>straight last Thursday on our show that led into the

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<v Speaker 1>Monday night game, and I even said it on our

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<v Speaker 1>final Thoughts video. To me, this game is all about

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<v Speaker 1>stop the run and run the ball. And the final

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<v Speaker 1>numbers were two, nine to one twenty three the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 1>So right there, your chances of winning the game aren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to be very good when it was obvious what

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<v Speaker 1>the keys to the game were and the Giants won

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<v Speaker 1>that battle decisively. But I like the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>referenced what Matt Lafleur said because I'm going to reference

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<v Speaker 1>something that he said as well, and he said it

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<v Speaker 1>many times throughout the course of his five seasons here,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that this league can humble you quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>And that doesn't just apply to a team. It can

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<v Speaker 1>also apply to individuals. And there are a lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them you can point to in this game,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to point to a couple of them

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<v Speaker 1>because they are guys who have had a are a

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<v Speaker 1>big reason the Packers turn their season around. But then

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<v Speaker 1>things didn't go so well Monday Night. Keishawn Nixon was

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<v Speaker 1>the hero against the Kansas City Chiefs. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>one guy who got an interception against Patrick Mahomes with

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes left in the fourth quarter. That was played

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<v Speaker 1>a huge part in a huge victory for Green Bay.

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<v Speaker 1>But he has two really really rough plays against the Giants.

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<v Speaker 1>The muff punt that sets up the Giants for a touchdown,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets beat for the pass that puts the Giants

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<v Speaker 1>in field goal range. At the end, this league can

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<v Speaker 1>humble everybody. Jordan Love was riding high. The offense was

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<v Speaker 1>in a rhythm, right, I mean, everything's going right. There

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<v Speaker 1>was no rhythm to the Packers offense on Monday night.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Love started the game with some off target throws.

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<v Speaker 1>Things weren't going well. He did, you know, he turns

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<v Speaker 1>the ball over twice in the second quarter. He does

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<v Speaker 1>settle down play much better down the stretch and did

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<v Speaker 1>give the Packers a chance, But even then, it just

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<v Speaker 1>felt like there was never any rhythm offense. The offense

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<v Speaker 1>did not look anything like what it had recently, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the absence of Christian Watson certainly had something to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that. But again, you know, this game was

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<v Speaker 1>all about the things that the Packers had been doing

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't able to do. You know, against Kansas City,

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<v Speaker 1>you take a sack and it pushed the field goal

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<v Speaker 1>back ten yards. But the kick is made this game.

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<v Speaker 1>You take a sack, it pushes the field goal back

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<v Speaker 1>ten yards and then the kick has missed. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>the punting the field position. The way the Packers were

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<v Speaker 1>winning that battle over the recent weeks, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't going well. And the other thing that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out to me, you look at these games the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>have won. They handled Aaron Donald up front, they handled

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<v Speaker 1>Aiden Hutchinson, they handled Chris Jones. They didn't handle Kevon Thibodeaux.

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<v Speaker 1>He was He was all over the place in this

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<v Speaker 1>game and had an impact everywhere. And as much as

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<v Speaker 1>it was a collective effort to handle those other big

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<v Speaker 1>time defensive front you know, pass guys for those other teams,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a collective effort that Keveon Thibodeau had the

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<v Speaker 1>impact he did. There. You can go down the line.

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<v Speaker 1>There are all kinds of things that the Packers were

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<v Speaker 1>doing to get their wins, and all of those things

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to escape them in one really bad Monday night

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<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cave On Thibodeau, to be fair to everybody, is

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<v Speaker 2>a former fifth overall pick and Saquon Barkley is a

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<v Speaker 2>two time Pro Bowl running.

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<v Speaker 1>Back and a number two overall pick, Number two overall pick.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me. They've done so many good things throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the year against some of these premier players.

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<v Speaker 2>Right then you get the Tommy DeVito experience, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was probably the most disheartening aspect of this for me,

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<v Speaker 2>because Mike, I'll tell you what, if you would have

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<v Speaker 2>told me in the middle last week, hey, Green Bay Packers,

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<v Speaker 2>point five over under for the mon of sacks, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get on to Vito, I would have easily

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<v Speaker 2>taken that sure point five over under sacks they are

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<v Speaker 2>and get on to Vito even after the first quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have gladly taken that because of the way

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<v Speaker 2>they were pressuring him for one reason or another, and

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to really put my finger on it.

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<v Speaker 2>The kid just proved elusive to that defensive front. Guys

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<v Speaker 2>got out of their rush lanes, they sometimes over pursued,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he got to the second level there was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of green grass there for him to execute

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<v Speaker 2>with the wildcat formation that haunted them last year in

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<v Speaker 2>London pop back up, although this time it wasn't Saquon

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<v Speaker 2>Barkley running it. It was Saquon Barkley handing it off in

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson being the guy that was doing the damage with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Wandel Robinson, a guy five to eight, was former teammates

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<v Speaker 2>with Carrington Valentine at Kentucky. Guy looked dynamic in this game.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred and fifteen total yards in Green May didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have an answer for it so well. The dexter Lawrences

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<v Speaker 2>and the Thibodeaus and the Barkleys, you expect them to

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<v Speaker 2>get theirs. It's how the Giants were able to produce

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<v Speaker 2>with the guys that maybe aren't necessarily until now you

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<v Speaker 2>know the household names. And the big line I had

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<v Speaker 2>in our Insider Inbox column was in a game of follies,

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<v Speaker 2>the Giants had fewer than the Packers did they got

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<v Speaker 2>the win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and even when you look at the turnover battle

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<v Speaker 1>in this game, which we talk about all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the Packers had three giveaways. Jordan Love had

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<v Speaker 1>the fumble and the interception. As I mentioned, Nixon had

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<v Speaker 1>the muff punt. The Packers got two takeaways, but they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't really takeaways. They were balls that the Giants literally gate.

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<v Speaker 1>The Packers didn't do anything to cause those turnovers. There

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<v Speaker 1>was the punt that hit the unsuspecting guy whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, and then the Packers get the recovery.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the play by Barkley where he runs

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty four yards on a run with what less

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<v Speaker 1>than four minutes on the clock, and it's looking like

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<v Speaker 1>the play that essentially is going to salt the game away.

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<v Speaker 1>Packers may not even get the ball backer if they do,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be down by too many points to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to do anything about it. But he fumbles

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<v Speaker 1>the ball completely on his own, and not only do

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers get the ball back because but because everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>standing around on the field, Carrington Valentine gets a fifty

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<v Speaker 1>yard return to set up the Packers in tremendous field

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<v Speaker 1>position to get a touchdown to take the lead. My

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<v Speaker 1>point is the turnovers were three to two in this game,

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<v Speaker 1>but in terms of make you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>making those making the plays to get the turnovers, it

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't. It was definitely worse than a minus one,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is what it is what it felt like

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Barkley's third career lost fumble, too, by the way, just

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<v Speaker 2>his third third, sixth in his career. Third one he's lost. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one even for I don't even know, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you rule that as far as a force is

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<v Speaker 2>the guy recovered, it just gets credit for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the guy gets there. I don't think there is

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<v Speaker 1>a forced fumble. I think it's just I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>just credit for credit for the recovery. I mean, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most bizarre plays, and I guess that's the

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing that other than just the overall

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<v Speaker 1>and overall poor performance by the Packers, I think the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest thing you regret coming out of this game, just

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<v Speaker 1>because this league is so crazy and so nuts and

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<v Speaker 1>you never know what's going to happen. To get a

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<v Speaker 1>lucky break like that, that really is like the luckiest

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<v Speaker 1>of lucky breaks you could possibly ask for. In a

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<v Speaker 1>game where you're down by seven points or down by

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<v Speaker 1>five points at the time, I guess, excuse me, down

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<v Speaker 1>by five points and the other team is literally on

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<v Speaker 1>the verge of completely salting away the game, and they

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<v Speaker 1>just hand you the football with a chance to take

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<v Speaker 1>the lead. I mean, the Packers cashed in on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but then the defense doesn't hold up at the end

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<v Speaker 1>and you lose on the walk off. But to get

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<v Speaker 1>to get a break of that magnitude and then to

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to win the game, the Packers wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have deserved to win the game based on how they played.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as though the Giants necessarily deserve to win

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<v Speaker 1>the game either, But it's a huge opportunity that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>a break like that comes along once every what five

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<v Speaker 1>or six or seven years or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>to not win the game is a big opportunity you

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<v Speaker 1>let get away well.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you even said when you and I were

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<v Speaker 2>kind of breaking down the game yesterday, you know, Tommy

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<v Speaker 2>DeVito made the throw and he needed to make it

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<v Speaker 2>in the end zone.

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<v Speaker 1>He made one dynamite throw in this game, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was on a third down in the red zone and

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<v Speaker 1>a rifle shot to the pylon. Receiver makes a great

0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.160
<v Speaker 1>catch and they get a touchdown instead of a field goal,

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<v Speaker 1>and that four points was monumental.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing, I will give a lot of credit

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<v Speaker 2>to wink Markindale's crew too, in addition to the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that I like the looks that they give. Matt Lafleur

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<v Speaker 2>touched on it. I mean, they're going to pressure, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're also the illusion of pressure is important there too.

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<v Speaker 2>They kind of had their inside backers working up, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>one dropping back, one going different things that Jordan Love

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<v Speaker 2>was having to account for was very well disguised but defensively.

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<v Speaker 2>One stat that I didn't write about and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really realize until afterwards. I think you have to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of look at what this matchup is. The Giants had

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<v Speaker 2>thirty thirty seven solo tackles and thirty assistant tackles green

0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Bay I think it was, Yeah, it was forty one solo,

0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:56.000
<v Speaker 2>eleven assisted. The Giants flew to the ball, they tackled

0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.160
<v Speaker 2>to the ball, multiple hats to the tacklers, and for

0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.640
<v Speaker 2>green Bay, stampoint just some of that whatever happened there.

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<v Speaker 2>Two hundred and nine rushing yards. And again you can

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<v Speaker 2>bottle up Saquon as well as you do for three

0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:09.920
<v Speaker 2>quarters and even when he has the big run get

0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the fumble. But if DeVito's going for seventy one, if

0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Robinson's going for thirty six, that all kind of fits

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<v Speaker 2>in as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. That that the tackle statistics statistics you mentioned are

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting because because one of the things that stood

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<v Speaker 1>out when you when you look at this game, and

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<v Speaker 1>I went over a lot of the film yesterday, was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really for the second straight game, the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>had a poor tackling game. They weren't a sound tackling team.

0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:42.240
<v Speaker 1>And mistackles really hurt you when you don't have enough

0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.080
<v Speaker 1>hats to the football, right, and that the statistic you

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<v Speaker 1>just you just mentioned with the disparity between the two

0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.480
<v Speaker 1>teams in terms of in terms of the solo and

0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.319
<v Speaker 1>assisted tackles and how that how that matched up, It

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense that the Packers got burned on so many

0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.000
<v Speaker 1>mistackles because they never it was too many one on

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<v Speaker 1>one tackles and they miss them, and then you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have another hat there to the to the ball to

0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:10.080
<v Speaker 1>be able to to compensate for it. So just very frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>And and and Matt Lafleur, you know, went over a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the frustrations in his press conference on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, you know, the final drive, after the first

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<v Speaker 1>couple of plays you go to you go to man coverage,

0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.520
<v Speaker 1>man de man coverage calls and uh and you get

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<v Speaker 1>burned on two Manda man coverage calls that end up

0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.800
<v Speaker 1>covering forty one yards and get to get the Giants

0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.480
<v Speaker 1>into field goal range where where the defenders in a

0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.840
<v Speaker 1>man coverage call are just they're not up on their

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<v Speaker 1>guys the way the way they're supposed to be. And

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<v Speaker 1>and you know those are those are mental lapses that

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<v Speaker 1>turn into physical lapses that you know that cost you

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<v Speaker 1>and and uh, that's how the Giants get in position

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<v Speaker 1>to win.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it turns into points and yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Berry, like you said last week, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>times when you look at defenses, it's that final number

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<v Speaker 2>of what's on the board, both for and again is

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<v Speaker 2>how you judge these things. And for Green Bay, unfortunately,

0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.880
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of a it was it was. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a difficult way to lose it because of the

0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.400
<v Speaker 2>poeticism of how it ended in terms of you had

0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Balik Heath that you know, they drive down, Jordan Love

0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.600
<v Speaker 2>has his best drive of the game. Malik Heath gets

0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a chance for the touchdown, can't get that third foot down,

0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, and established possession before the ball gets batted

0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.800
<v Speaker 2>out of his hands, right, they dial up a play

0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.880
<v Speaker 2>for him. On the next play, he runs it perfectly

0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to the pylon, gets the touchdown, but a minute thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three left and the Giants had the two timeouts and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's funny one thing I didn't realize in

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<v Speaker 1>live time, as you know, things are kind of frantic

0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.200
<v Speaker 1>with you know, the replay and is Heath going to

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<v Speaker 1>get the touchdown there? But then no, the call stands

0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.800
<v Speaker 1>that it's incomplete, So then the Packers have third down

0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.480
<v Speaker 1>there inside the ten yard line. The Giants sent like

0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.920
<v Speaker 1>eight guys yea on that third downplay. I mean that

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.760
<v Speaker 1>was Wink Martindale going all It's like, this is it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the money, this is the money play of

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<v Speaker 1>the game right here, going all out for and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and Heath was one on one there at

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<v Speaker 1>the pile on the ball, was in a good spot,

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<v Speaker 1>really really good catch. Unfortunately, then you know what it's

0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.640
<v Speaker 1>it's all the it's all the little things that add up, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You miss field goals and you miss two point conversions

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually those are going to cost you. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know the Giants missed a field goal earlier in the

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<v Speaker 1>game as well, so that kind of ended up you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one a piece in that respect. But obviously, if after

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<v Speaker 1>the touchdown, if you can get the two point conversion

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<v Speaker 1>and you go up by three, then you know that

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<v Speaker 1>final drive plays out very differently potentially, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>never know then how aggressive are the Giants going to

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<v Speaker 1>be to maybe get a touchdown, which then who knows

0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.960
<v Speaker 1>then if they if they make a mistake, or if

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<v Speaker 1>the Packers play things differently with a three point lead

0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.680
<v Speaker 1>instead of a one point lead. I don't know. But anytime, anytime,

0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:54.080
<v Speaker 1>those opportunities for points are are missed, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>and on top of that, you know, going back even

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<v Speaker 1>to the two turnovers in the first half, the Packers

0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:01.280
<v Speaker 1>had very very good if they were in good position

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<v Speaker 1>on the field, and turning the ball over there certainly

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<v Speaker 1>cost potential points as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's where it gets difficult because they adversity

0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.040
<v Speaker 2>defense early on was fantastic. Yes, that you lose back

0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.720
<v Speaker 2>to back possessions of the ball, and I don't even

0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.040
<v Speaker 2>know how much time came off the clock between all that,

0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:20.120
<v Speaker 2>between stopping them on fourth and one and then also

0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.400
<v Speaker 2>getting the ball back. It was pretty wild how it

0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:26.040
<v Speaker 2>worked out. But again, situationally, if you add them all up, Mike,

0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.160
<v Speaker 2>you put them all in a row. The Giants took

0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.160
<v Speaker 2>down more of those jars than Green Bay did, and

0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the result was what it was now, as you wrote

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<v Speaker 2>in the Monday inbox or the Tuesday in box, See,

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<v Speaker 2>I did end up messing up one of my days,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Now it's what the response is, and the

0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Packers have to respond.

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<v Speaker 1>big picture, the Packers are certainly very much alive in

0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the playoff spot even despite this loss. A huge opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>was missed, however, because, as I had mentioned last Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>these four teams in the wild card picture that were

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<v Speaker 1>six and six, the Vikings, the Rams, the Seahawks, and

0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.760
<v Speaker 1>the Packers, all of them were on the road and

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<v Speaker 1>heading into Monday night, the Rams and the Seahawks had

0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.159
<v Speaker 1>already lost the Vikings had squeaked out a three to

0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.840
<v Speaker 1>nothing victory in Vegas, so the Packers could have put

0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.640
<v Speaker 1>themselves as one of only two teams in that mix

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<v Speaker 1>that would be seven and six along with Minnesota. They

0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.360
<v Speaker 1>failed in that regard, So right now, the Vikings are

0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.040
<v Speaker 1>in the number six playoff spot in the NFC, and

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the seventh spot is concerned, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of teams now at six seven, Packers, Rams, Seahawks, Falcons, Saints,

0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:08.360
<v Speaker 1>and Buccaneers. Out of the Falcon, Saints and Buccaneers, one

0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:13.800
<v Speaker 1>of them will win the NFC South, So there's really

0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.280
<v Speaker 1>only two of those teams competing for a wild card.

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<v Speaker 1>But in effect, you don't know right now which two

0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.480
<v Speaker 1>of those are going to be because they're all tied

0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.960
<v Speaker 1>at the moment. And don't look now, but the Chicago

0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Bears and the New York Giants are five and eight,

0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:32.160
<v Speaker 1>which actually puts them only one game back of all

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<v Speaker 1>of these teams at six and seven that are fighting

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<v Speaker 1>for a spot and with still four games left to go.

0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I know that's a ton of teams in the mix,

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<v Speaker 1>but right now, right now, if you have a chance

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<v Speaker 1>at nine wins, which a team that is five and

0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.280
<v Speaker 1>eight mathematically has a chance to get to nine wins.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a chance to get to nine wins

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFC, you have a legitimate chance to make

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs. That's really where it sits right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Giants, they still have their work cutout for

0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:59.080
<v Speaker 2>them because they got those matchups as Philly, they have

0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.560
<v Speaker 2>a matchup with the ram I mean, their schedule is

0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:06.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty daunting here coming up Chicago, isn't Chicago's interesting because

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.239
<v Speaker 2>Chicago they have Cleveland with Joe Flacco coming up. Then

0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.840
<v Speaker 2>they got Arizona Atlanta, who you never know where you're

0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.160
<v Speaker 2>going to get, and then maybe a potential consequential game

0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.800
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the season against the Packers. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the part I wanted to kind of talk about, because

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<v Speaker 2>we just spent all this time discussing, Hey, here's everything

0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.479
<v Speaker 2>that went wrong against the Giants, and the update is

0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 2>nothing's changed. It's all the same right now. Because green

0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.479
<v Speaker 2>Bay's strength of victory here is as good as anyone

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<v Speaker 2>in the conference. I think they're only behind the number

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<v Speaker 2>one seated forty nine Ers right now. It's just like

0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.199
<v Speaker 2>green Bay's lost too many of these games too.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, the strength of victory is where it is because

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<v Speaker 1>of beating the Lions and the Chiefs at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you look at it conversely on the

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<v Speaker 2>other aspect of it. You got a team like the

0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Saints where it's like, you gotta win the division because

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<v Speaker 2>right now I think their strength of victory is like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight percent. I mean, it's not good in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of how things line up. So everybody is kind of

0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:01.359
<v Speaker 2>josting right now for this PiZZ psitioning with this playoff field.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the South is pretty much concentrated on somebody

0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:05.480
<v Speaker 2>needs to win that and that's going to be the

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<v Speaker 2>key to that door.

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.040
<v Speaker 1>And it could and it could be a second straight

0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:13.200
<v Speaker 1>year that the NFC South has a sub five hundred champion.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, eight and nine is entirely possible to win

0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that division again for a second straight year after the

0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Buccaneers did it with Tom Brady last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But to your point, just getting back that, this

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<v Speaker 2>is why this one hurt, because I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>a race to nine wins. I don't know how many

0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 2>wild card seeds are going to be determined by nine wins,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a race to nine wins and Green

0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Bay missed out in an opportunity. Credit to the Vikings.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about some of these games here in a second,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Vikings took care of business as ugly as

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the business could look, they took care of business. They

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<v Speaker 2>got that seventh victory. Now they're going to be making

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<v Speaker 2>the switch over to Nick Mullins at quarterback. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>the race. It doesn't matter how much tape is on

0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the leg, it doesn't matter how much the hamstring hurts.

0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:56.480
<v Speaker 2>You're just trying to get to the finish line right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Vikings have a leg up on everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean it just goes to show how

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<v Speaker 1>you know, things can change and you never know how

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<v Speaker 1>anything is going to go in a given week in

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<v Speaker 1>this league. You have you know, suddenly the Seahawks don't

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<v Speaker 1>have Geno Smith, so then you know they They were

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<v Speaker 1>in it with the Niners for a while, but end

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<v Speaker 1>up losing by a couple of touchdowns. The Vikings can't

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 1>figure anything out on offense, but their defense keep their

0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.640
<v Speaker 1>defense keeps the Raiders shut out. They go to Mullins

0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.200
<v Speaker 1>late in the game for a drive for a field

0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.320
<v Speaker 1>goal that ends up being the only points in a

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.760
<v Speaker 1>three to nothing victory. And then you have both the Rams,

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the Rams and the Packers in very different fashions, but

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.720
<v Speaker 1>both of those teams end up losing on walk off scores.

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<v Speaker 1>The Rams lose in overtime on a long punt return

0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.800
<v Speaker 1>by the Baltimore Ravens, you know, heartbreaking loss for them.

0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.159
<v Speaker 1>The Packers lose on a walk off field goal. You know,

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the margins are so slim. Every week can be so different.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned now the Vikings, the Vikings, who are the

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:00.679
<v Speaker 1>team that is, you know, sitting the best in this

0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.640
<v Speaker 1>wild card race at seven and six, but now they're

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<v Speaker 1>changing quarterbacks. Yeah, you know, with with four games to go,

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<v Speaker 1>so who knows? Who knows where that goes? And then

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of the NFC, you suddenly have a

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<v Speaker 1>three way tie for the number one seed with the

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys knocking off the Eagles and the Niners got their wins.

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<v Speaker 1>So San Francisco, Philly, and Dallas are all ten and three.

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<v Speaker 1>All three of them are tied for the number one seed,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which obviously has the only buy playoff buy

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<v Speaker 1>that comes with it. But one of those out of

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<v Speaker 1>Philly or Dallas is going to drop all the way

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<v Speaker 1>to the five if they don't, you know, get the one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if they don't get the one, two, if

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<v Speaker 1>they can't get the one or the two by being

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<v Speaker 1>a division winner, the second place team in the East,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of what their record is, is going to drop

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to the five seeds.

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<v Speaker 2>So meet the champion from the NFC South. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>other way to make it fair. But it's never cease

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<v Speaker 2>to make me smile.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've got I mean, it's crazy, It's it's crazy

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<v Speaker 1>right now. You've got you've got three teams in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFC tied for the number one seed. You have three

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<v Speaker 1>teams tied for the NFC South lead, all of them

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<v Speaker 1>below five hundred. And then you have this whole hodgepodge

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<v Speaker 1>of other teams that are six and seven and jockeying

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<v Speaker 1>with one another to try to get to try to

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<v Speaker 1>get a wild card spot. And you know, I, as

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<v Speaker 1>I said in one of my Insider Inbox answers, I

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<v Speaker 1>like to say a lot at this time of year,

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<v Speaker 1>buckle up here we go. I mean, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there is so much football left there. Every team has

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<v Speaker 1>got four games left to go, which means every team

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<v Speaker 1>could go four and oh or every team could go

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<v Speaker 1>zero and four or anywhere in between, and so there's

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<v Speaker 1>no telling. There's no telling how this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>sort itself out. And and job one for the Green

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<v Speaker 1>Bay Packers is simply to get past this one, learn

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<v Speaker 1>what you need to learn from it. Gear up for

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<v Speaker 1>a Tampa Bay team that is feeling pretty good about

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<v Speaker 1>itself with a chance to win a division in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFC South. They're coming in here on Sunday to lambeau Field,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Packers are going to be scratching and clon

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<v Speaker 1>to get themselves back in the wind call.

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<v Speaker 2>The Packers gave one back. That's what happened on Monday night.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, with that stretch of games against the Chargers,

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<v Speaker 2>the Lions in Kansas City, they needed to go too

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<v Speaker 2>and one. I thought for sure they definitely needed to

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<v Speaker 2>go one and one with Detroit and Kansas City to

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<v Speaker 2>put themselves up in a situation here to get on

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<v Speaker 2>a big run late. They did that. They went three

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<v Speaker 2>and oh, two and oh. But now you got that

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<v Speaker 2>one finally crept up unexpectedly against the Giants. But no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what way you slice it, it is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be difficult to make a playoff run. If you don't

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<v Speaker 2>take care of business at home against Tampa, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>beat the Panthers on Christmas Eve, and you don't hold

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<v Speaker 2>serve against Chicago in the finale, no matter which way

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<v Speaker 2>you slice it. Yeah, that's what the green bait Packers

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<v Speaker 2>have to do, not saying they're gonna win them all.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you do it, if you don't, it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>a lot harder though, and Green Bay is back at

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<v Speaker 2>six and seven, and they need to have that feistiness,

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<v Speaker 2>that fire of a six and seven team that's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to prove that you know what, in this NFC picture,

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<v Speaker 2>we are one of the top seven teams and we

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<v Speaker 2>deserve a ticket to the dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Packers have been fighting since Week three to get

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<v Speaker 1>back above five hundred. They haven't been above five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>since they were two and one. After the comeback victory

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<v Speaker 1>over the Saints, you had a chance, you finally had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to get back above five hundred. You let

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<v Speaker 1>it get away. The goal is still to get back

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<v Speaker 1>above five hundred because you know what that would mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But now you have to get back to five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>first before you can get above five hundred. It's one

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:40.439
<v Speaker 1>step at a time Packers took a step backwards. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you got to get moving forward once again.

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<v Speaker 2>And that requires putting the best foot forward, which the

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay Packers will look to do this Sunday a

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<v Speaker 2>Lambellfield nude Central start time on all your.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Fox noon Central start time. That means omelets after

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<v Speaker 1>these back to back night games. That's like music to

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<v Speaker 1>my ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Your ears on has a birthday on Sunday, I could

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<v Speaker 2>have used the night game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay, though, celebrate on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's that's actually what we're gonna do, assuming

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<v Speaker 2>no one else's signs smart work.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, with that, we'll call it a wrap

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<v Speaker 1>on this edition of Packers Unscript, but be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. We'll be back with another show right away

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow to look ahead to the Tampa Bay game. Things

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a little messed up this week with the Monday

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<v Speaker 1>night road trip, but we get We're getting things back

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<v Speaker 1>under control here, folks as best we can. So for Wes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, and

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<v Speaker 1>we will see you next time.