1 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West and hodkow it'z. We're coming 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: to you hear from our studios at lambeau Field and 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Wes Unfortunately here to talk about a tough loss for 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: the Packers twenty four to twenty two on Monday Night 7 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: football against the New York Giants on the road. A 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: walkoff field goal decided this one. But bottom line is 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: this was a performance the Packers are not proud of 10 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: the fact that they even had a chance to win 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: the game at the end was kind of a miracle 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: and it didn't go their way and it was a 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: big opportunity missed as the Packers fall to six and seven. 14 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: So I did our insider Inbox column for Wednesday morning, 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: making sure I have my days correctly here and before 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: we start breaking down this game, because there's certainly a 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: lot to go into. It's a conversation we've had a 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 2: lot of times by I think it's so important to 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: have because I'm not clairvoyant, I'm not a soothsayer, I 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: have no psychic capabilities whatsoever, but so many times not 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: so much teams. I don't think the Packers did this, 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 2: but I definitely think in the media people just look 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: at records and they say, well, this team is doing this, 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: and this team is doing that, and then this team 25 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: by proxy is going to win. There's a reason why 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur always talks about why you have to do 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: it on Sundays, why you have to go out there 28 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 2: and perform at your highest level regardless of who the 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: opponent is. Because, yeah, New York Giants, not a lot's 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: gone right for them this year. They were four and 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: five going in this matchup. 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: But four and eight excuse me, Yeah, four. 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: And five was the Saquon Barkley sat I had. They're 34 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: actually now five and five with Barkley this season. But 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: it comes down to how a team is playing and 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: where you're building towards and in a lot of ways, 37 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: for as much as people didn't want to give credit 38 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: to the Giants, they were in the same boat as 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: green By. Hey, green Bay's just a little flash here 40 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: in terms of how they've definitely gotten better throughout the 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: course of the season. So there's so many things that 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: go into this thing. But My number one aspect of 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 2: this was you have to respect every opponent. And much 44 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: like how the Green Bay Packers won a lot of 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: these games recently with complimentary football. Conversely, they lost it 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: with complimentary football on Monday Night. 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's always a lot to be said for 48 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: the adage of it's not whom you play, it's when 49 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: you play them, and I think that has I think 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: that has played out throughout the season here for the Packers, 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: both in some of the wins, whether you're talking about 52 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: quarterback injuries on the other side, or the fact that 53 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, the Lions and Chiefs haven't quite hit their 54 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: stride and the Packers were playing really well in those 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: moments and got those wins. And you know, the Giants 56 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: were coming off of a two game winning streak, got 57 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: their bye week to rest up, to gear up, and 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: whether you know they're going to make a run in 59 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: a playoff spot or not, they're looking to finish strong 60 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: with Tommy DeVito as their quarterback and seeing where things 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: are going. So that whole you know, whom you play 62 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: when you play them thing definitely applies. We sat here. 63 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: I guess I'm having a hard time keeping my day 64 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: straight last Thursday on our show that led into the 65 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Monday night game, and I even said it on our 66 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: final Thoughts video. To me, this game is all about 67 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: stop the run and run the ball. And the final 68 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: numbers were two, nine to one twenty three the wrong way. 69 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: So right there, your chances of winning the game aren't 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: going to be very good when it was obvious what 71 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: the keys to the game were and the Giants won 72 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: that battle decisively. But I like the fact that you 73 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: referenced what Matt Lafleur said because I'm going to reference 74 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: something that he said as well, and he said it 75 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: many times throughout the course of his five seasons here, 76 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: and that is that this league can humble you quickly. 77 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: And that doesn't just apply to a team. It can 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: also apply to individuals. And there are a lot of them, 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: a lot of them you can point to in this game, 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: and I'm going to point to a couple of them 81 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: because they are guys who have had a are a 82 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: big reason the Packers turn their season around. But then 83 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: things didn't go so well Monday Night. Keishawn Nixon was 84 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: the hero against the Kansas City Chiefs. He was the 85 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: one guy who got an interception against Patrick Mahomes with 86 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: five minutes left in the fourth quarter. That was played 87 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: a huge part in a huge victory for Green Bay. 88 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: But he has two really really rough plays against the Giants. 89 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: The muff punt that sets up the Giants for a touchdown, 90 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: he gets beat for the pass that puts the Giants 91 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 1: in field goal range. At the end, this league can 92 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: humble everybody. Jordan Love was riding high. The offense was 93 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: in a rhythm, right, I mean, everything's going right. There 94 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: was no rhythm to the Packers offense on Monday night. 95 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: Jordan Love started the game with some off target throws. 96 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: Things weren't going well. He did, you know, he turns 97 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: the ball over twice in the second quarter. He does 98 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: settle down play much better down the stretch and did 99 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: give the Packers a chance, But even then, it just 100 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: felt like there was never any rhythm offense. The offense 101 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: did not look anything like what it had recently, and 102 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 1: obviously the absence of Christian Watson certainly had something to 103 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: do with that. But again, you know, this game was 104 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: all about the things that the Packers had been doing 105 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: you weren't able to do. You know, against Kansas City, 106 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: you take a sack and it pushed the field goal 107 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: back ten yards. But the kick is made this game. 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: You take a sack, it pushes the field goal back 109 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: ten yards and then the kick has missed. You know, 110 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: the punting the field position. The way the Packers were 111 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: winning that battle over the recent weeks, you know that 112 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: that wasn't going well. And the other thing that stood 113 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: out to me, you look at these games the Packers 114 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,799 Speaker 1: have won. They handled Aaron Donald up front, they handled 115 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson, they handled Chris Jones. They didn't handle Kevon Thibodeaux. 116 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: He was He was all over the place in this 117 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: game and had an impact everywhere. And as much as 118 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: it was a collective effort to handle those other big 119 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: time defensive front you know, pass guys for those other teams, 120 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: it was a collective effort that Keveon Thibodeau had the 121 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: impact he did. There. You can go down the line. 122 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: There are all kinds of things that the Packers were 123 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: doing to get their wins, and all of those things 124 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: seemed to escape them in one really bad Monday night 125 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: in New Jersey. 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, cave On Thibodeau, to be fair to everybody, is 127 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: a former fifth overall pick and Saquon Barkley is a 128 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: two time Pro Bowl running. 129 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: Back and a number two overall pick, Number two overall pick. 130 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: Excuse me. They've done so many good things throughout the 131 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: course of the year against some of these premier players. 132 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: Right then you get the Tommy DeVito experience, and that 133 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: was probably the most disheartening aspect of this for me, 134 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: because Mike, I'll tell you what, if you would have 135 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: told me in the middle last week, hey, Green Bay Packers, 136 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: point five over under for the mon of sacks, they're 137 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: going to get on to Vito, I would have easily 138 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 2: taken that sure point five over under sacks they are 139 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: and get on to Vito even after the first quarter. 140 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: I would have gladly taken that because of the way 141 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: they were pressuring him for one reason or another, and 142 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 2: I wasn't able to really put my finger on it. 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: The kid just proved elusive to that defensive front. Guys 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: got out of their rush lanes, they sometimes over pursued, 145 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: and when he got to the second level there was 146 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: a lot of green grass there for him to execute 147 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: with the wildcat formation that haunted them last year in 148 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 2: London pop back up, although this time it wasn't Saquon 149 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: Barkley running it. It was Saquon Barkley handing it off in 150 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: Robinson being the guy that was doing the damage with it. 151 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 2: Wandel Robinson, a guy five to eight, was former teammates 152 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: with Carrington Valentine at Kentucky. Guy looked dynamic in this game. 153 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: One hundred and fifteen total yards in Green May didn't 154 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: have an answer for it so well. The dexter Lawrences 155 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: and the Thibodeaus and the Barkleys, you expect them to 156 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: get theirs. It's how the Giants were able to produce 157 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: with the guys that maybe aren't necessarily until now you 158 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: know the household names. And the big line I had 159 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: in our Insider Inbox column was in a game of follies, 160 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 2: the Giants had fewer than the Packers did they got 161 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: the win. 162 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and even when you look at the turnover battle 163 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: in this game, which we talk about all the time. 164 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: Of course, the Packers had three giveaways. Jordan Love had 165 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: the fumble and the interception. As I mentioned, Nixon had 166 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: the muff punt. The Packers got two takeaways, but they 167 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: weren't really takeaways. They were balls that the Giants literally gate. 168 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: The Packers didn't do anything to cause those turnovers. There 169 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: was the punt that hit the unsuspecting guy whatever, and 170 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: then you know, and then the Packers get the recovery. 171 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: And then there's the play by Barkley where he runs 172 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: for thirty four yards on a run with what less 173 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: than four minutes on the clock, and it's looking like 174 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: the play that essentially is going to salt the game away. 175 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: Packers may not even get the ball backer if they do, 176 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: they're going to be down by too many points to 177 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: be able to do anything about it. But he fumbles 178 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: the ball completely on his own, and not only do 179 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: the Packers get the ball back because but because everybody's 180 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: standing around on the field, Carrington Valentine gets a fifty 181 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: yard return to set up the Packers in tremendous field 182 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: position to get a touchdown to take the lead. My 183 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: point is the turnovers were three to two in this game, 184 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: but in terms of make you know, in terms of 185 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: making those making the plays to get the turnovers, it 186 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was definitely worse than a minus one, 187 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: I guess is what it is what it felt like 188 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: to me. And it was. 189 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: Barkley's third career lost fumble, too, by the way, just 190 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: his third third, sixth in his career. Third one he's lost. Wow, 191 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: and no one even for I don't even know, how 192 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: do you rule that as far as a force is 193 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: the guy recovered, it just gets credit for them. 194 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy gets there. I don't think there is 195 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: a forced fumble. I think it's just I think it's 196 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: just credit for credit for the recovery. I mean, one 197 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: of the most bizarre plays, and I guess that's the 198 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 1: That's the one thing that other than just the overall 199 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: and overall poor performance by the Packers, I think the 200 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: biggest thing you regret coming out of this game, just 201 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: because this league is so crazy and so nuts and 202 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen. To get a 203 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: lucky break like that, that really is like the luckiest 204 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: of lucky breaks you could possibly ask for. In a 205 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: game where you're down by seven points or down by 206 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: five points at the time, I guess, excuse me, down 207 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: by five points and the other team is literally on 208 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: the verge of completely salting away the game, and they 209 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: just hand you the football with a chance to take 210 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: the lead. I mean, the Packers cashed in on it, 211 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: but then the defense doesn't hold up at the end 212 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: and you lose on the walk off. But to get 213 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: to get a break of that magnitude and then to 214 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: not be able to win the game, the Packers wouldn't 215 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 1: have deserved to win the game based on how they played. 216 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: It's not as though the Giants necessarily deserve to win 217 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: the game either, But it's a huge opportunity that. I mean, 218 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: a break like that comes along once every what five 219 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: or six or seven years or something like that, and 220 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: to not win the game is a big opportunity you 221 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: let get away well. 222 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: And as you even said when you and I were 223 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: kind of breaking down the game yesterday, you know, Tommy 224 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: DeVito made the throw and he needed to make it 225 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: in the end zone. 226 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: He made one dynamite throw in this game, and it 227 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: was on a third down in the red zone and 228 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: a rifle shot to the pylon. Receiver makes a great 229 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: catch and they get a touchdown instead of a field goal, 230 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: and that four points was monumental. 231 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 2: The other thing, I will give a lot of credit 232 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: to wink Markindale's crew too, in addition to the fact 233 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: that I like the looks that they give. Matt Lafleur 234 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: touched on it. I mean, they're going to pressure, but 235 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: they're also the illusion of pressure is important there too. 236 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 2: They kind of had their inside backers working up, sometimes 237 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 2: one dropping back, one going different things that Jordan Love 238 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: was having to account for was very well disguised but defensively. 239 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: One stat that I didn't write about and I didn't 240 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: really realize until afterwards. I think you have to kind 241 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: of look at what this matchup is. The Giants had 242 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: thirty thirty seven solo tackles and thirty assistant tackles green 243 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: Bay I think it was, Yeah, it was forty one solo, 244 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: eleven assisted. The Giants flew to the ball, they tackled 245 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: to the ball, multiple hats to the tacklers, and for 246 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 2: green Bay, stampoint just some of that whatever happened there. 247 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: Two hundred and nine rushing yards. And again you can 248 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: bottle up Saquon as well as you do for three 249 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: quarters and even when he has the big run get 250 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: the fumble. But if DeVito's going for seventy one, if 251 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: Robinson's going for thirty six, that all kind of fits 252 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: in as well. 253 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. That that the tackle statistics statistics you mentioned are 254 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: really interesting because because one of the things that stood 255 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: out when you when you look at this game, and 256 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: I went over a lot of the film yesterday, was 257 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, really for the second straight game, the Packers 258 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: had a poor tackling game. They weren't a sound tackling team. 259 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: And mistackles really hurt you when you don't have enough 260 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: hats to the football, right, and that the statistic you 261 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: just you just mentioned with the disparity between the two 262 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: teams in terms of in terms of the solo and 263 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: assisted tackles and how that how that matched up, It 264 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: makes sense that the Packers got burned on so many 265 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: mistackles because they never it was too many one on 266 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: one tackles and they miss them, and then you don't 267 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: have another hat there to the to the ball to 268 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: be able to to compensate for it. So just very frustrating. 269 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: And and and Matt Lafleur, you know, went over a 270 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: lot of the frustrations in his press conference on Tuesday, 271 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, the final drive, after the first 272 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: couple of plays you go to you go to man coverage, 273 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: man de man coverage calls and uh and you get 274 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: burned on two Manda man coverage calls that end up 275 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: covering forty one yards and get to get the Giants 276 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: into field goal range where where the defenders in a 277 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: man coverage call are just they're not up on their 278 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: guys the way the way they're supposed to be. And 279 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: and you know those are those are mental lapses that 280 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: turn into physical lapses that you know that cost you 281 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: and and uh, that's how the Giants get in position 282 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: to win. 283 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it turns into points and yeah, you know, 284 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: Joe Berry, like you said last week, a lot of 285 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: times when you look at defenses, it's that final number 286 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: of what's on the board, both for and again is 287 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: how you judge these things. And for Green Bay, unfortunately, 288 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: it was kind of a it was it was. It 289 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: was a difficult way to lose it because of the 290 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 2: poeticism of how it ended in terms of you had 291 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: Balik Heath that you know, they drive down, Jordan Love 292 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: has his best drive of the game. Malik Heath gets 293 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 2: a chance for the touchdown, can't get that third foot down, 294 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: you know, and established possession before the ball gets batted 295 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: out of his hands, right, they dial up a play 296 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: for him. On the next play, he runs it perfectly 297 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: to the pylon, gets the touchdown, but a minute thirty 298 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 2: three left and the Giants had the two timeouts and 299 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: that was the end of it. 300 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: You know, It's funny one thing I didn't realize in 301 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: live time, as you know, things are kind of frantic 302 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: with you know, the replay and is Heath going to 303 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: get the touchdown there? But then no, the call stands 304 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: that it's incomplete, So then the Packers have third down 305 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: there inside the ten yard line. The Giants sent like 306 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: eight guys yea on that third downplay. I mean that 307 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: was Wink Martindale going all It's like, this is it. 308 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: This is the money, this is the money play of 309 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: the game right here, going all out for and uh, 310 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, and Heath was one on one there at 311 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: the pile on the ball, was in a good spot, 312 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: really really good catch. Unfortunately, then you know what it's 313 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: it's all the it's all the little things that add up, right. 314 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: You miss field goals and you miss two point conversions 315 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: and eventually those are going to cost you. And I 316 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: know the Giants missed a field goal earlier in the 317 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: game as well, so that kind of ended up you know, 318 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: one a piece in that respect. But obviously, if after 319 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: the touchdown, if you can get the two point conversion 320 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: and you go up by three, then you know that 321 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: final drive plays out very differently potentially, you know, you 322 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: never know then how aggressive are the Giants going to 323 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: be to maybe get a touchdown, which then who knows 324 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: then if they if they make a mistake, or if 325 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: the Packers play things differently with a three point lead 326 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: instead of a one point lead. I don't know. But anytime, anytime, 327 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: those opportunities for points are are missed, you know. And 328 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: and on top of that, you know, going back even 329 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: to the two turnovers in the first half, the Packers 330 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: had very very good if they were in good position 331 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: on the field, and turning the ball over there certainly 332 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: cost potential points as well. 333 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where it gets difficult because they adversity 334 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: defense early on was fantastic. Yes, that you lose back 335 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: to back possessions of the ball, and I don't even 336 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 2: know how much time came off the clock between all that, 337 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: between stopping them on fourth and one and then also 338 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: getting the ball back. It was pretty wild how it 339 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: worked out. But again, situationally, if you add them all up, Mike, 340 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 2: you put them all in a row. The Giants took 341 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: down more of those jars than Green Bay did, and 342 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: the result was what it was now, as you wrote 343 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: in the Monday inbox or the Tuesday in box, See, 344 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: I did end up messing up one of my days, 345 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: you know. Now it's what the response is, and the 346 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: Packers have to respond. 347 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll look at the bigger picture here after 348 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: some sponsor business. 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A huge opportunity 357 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: was missed, however, because, as I had mentioned last Thursday, 358 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: these four teams in the wild card picture that were 359 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: six and six, the Vikings, the Rams, the Seahawks, and 360 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: the Packers, all of them were on the road and 361 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: heading into Monday night, the Rams and the Seahawks had 362 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: already lost the Vikings had squeaked out a three to 363 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: nothing victory in Vegas, so the Packers could have put 364 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: themselves as one of only two teams in that mix 365 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: that would be seven and six along with Minnesota. They 366 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: failed in that regard, So right now, the Vikings are 367 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: in the number six playoff spot in the NFC, and 368 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: as far as the seventh spot is concerned, you have 369 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of teams now at six seven, Packers, Rams, Seahawks, Falcons, Saints, 370 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: and Buccaneers. Out of the Falcon, Saints and Buccaneers, one 371 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: of them will win the NFC South, So there's really 372 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: only two of those teams competing for a wild card. 373 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: But in effect, you don't know right now which two 374 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: of those are going to be because they're all tied 375 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: at the moment. And don't look now, but the Chicago 376 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: Bears and the New York Giants are five and eight, 377 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: which actually puts them only one game back of all 378 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: of these teams at six and seven that are fighting 379 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: for a spot and with still four games left to go. 380 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: I know that's a ton of teams in the mix, 381 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: but right now, right now, if you have a chance 382 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: at nine wins, which a team that is five and 383 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: eight mathematically has a chance to get to nine wins. 384 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: If you have a chance to get to nine wins 385 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: in the NFC, you have a legitimate chance to make 386 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's really where it sits right now. 387 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Giants, they still have their work cutout for 388 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: them because they got those matchups as Philly, they have 389 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: a matchup with the ram I mean, their schedule is 390 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: pretty daunting here coming up Chicago, isn't Chicago's interesting because 391 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,239 Speaker 2: Chicago they have Cleveland with Joe Flacco coming up. Then 392 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: they got Arizona Atlanta, who you never know where you're 393 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: going to get, and then maybe a potential consequential game 394 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: at the end of the season against the Packers. Here's 395 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: the part I wanted to kind of talk about, because 396 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 2: we just spent all this time discussing, Hey, here's everything 397 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 2: that went wrong against the Giants, and the update is 398 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: nothing's changed. It's all the same right now. Because green 399 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 2: Bay's strength of victory here is as good as anyone 400 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: in the conference. I think they're only behind the number 401 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: one seated forty nine Ers right now. It's just like 402 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 2: green Bay's lost too many of these games too. 403 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Again, the strength of victory is where it is because 404 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: of beating the Lions and the Chiefs at this point. 405 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you look at it conversely on the 406 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: other aspect of it. You got a team like the 407 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: Saints where it's like, you gotta win the division because 408 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: right now I think their strength of victory is like 409 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: twenty eight percent. I mean, it's not good in terms 410 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: of how things line up. So everybody is kind of 411 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: josting right now for this PiZZ psitioning with this playoff field. 412 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: I think the South is pretty much concentrated on somebody 413 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 2: needs to win that and that's going to be the 414 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: key to that door. 415 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: And it could and it could be a second straight 416 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: year that the NFC South has a sub five hundred champion. 417 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean, eight and nine is entirely possible to win 418 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: that division again for a second straight year after the 419 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: Buccaneers did it with Tom Brady last year. 420 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. But to your point, just getting back that, this 421 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: is why this one hurt, because I think it is 422 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 2: a race to nine wins. I don't know how many 423 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: wild card seeds are going to be determined by nine wins, 424 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: but it is a race to nine wins and Green 425 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: Bay missed out in an opportunity. Credit to the Vikings. 426 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: We'll talk about some of these games here in a second, 427 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 2: but the Vikings took care of business as ugly as 428 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: the business could look, they took care of business. They 429 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: got that seventh victory. Now they're going to be making 430 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: the switch over to Nick Mullins at quarterback. But that's 431 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: the race. It doesn't matter how much tape is on 432 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: the leg, it doesn't matter how much the hamstring hurts. 433 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: You're just trying to get to the finish line right now. 434 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: And the Vikings have a leg up on everybody else. 435 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean it just goes to show how 436 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, things can change and you never know how 437 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: anything is going to go in a given week in 438 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: this league. You have you know, suddenly the Seahawks don't 439 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: have Geno Smith, so then you know they They were 440 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: in it with the Niners for a while, but end 441 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: up losing by a couple of touchdowns. The Vikings can't 442 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: figure anything out on offense, but their defense keep their 443 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: defense keeps the Raiders shut out. They go to Mullins 444 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: late in the game for a drive for a field 445 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: goal that ends up being the only points in a 446 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: three to nothing victory. And then you have both the Rams, 447 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: the Rams and the Packers in very different fashions, but 448 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: both of those teams end up losing on walk off scores. 449 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: The Rams lose in overtime on a long punt return 450 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: by the Baltimore Ravens, you know, heartbreaking loss for them. 451 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: The Packers lose on a walk off field goal. You know, 452 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: the margins are so slim. Every week can be so different. 453 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: You mentioned now the Vikings, the Vikings, who are the 454 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: team that is, you know, sitting the best in this 455 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: wild card race at seven and six, but now they're 456 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: changing quarterbacks. Yeah, you know, with with four games to go, 457 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: so who knows? Who knows where that goes? And then 458 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: at the top of the NFC, you suddenly have a 459 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: three way tie for the number one seed with the 460 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: Cowboys knocking off the Eagles and the Niners got their wins. 461 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: So San Francisco, Philly, and Dallas are all ten and three. 462 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: All three of them are tied for the number one seed, 463 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: which is which obviously has the only buy playoff buy 464 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: that comes with it. But one of those out of 465 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Philly or Dallas is going to drop all the way 466 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: to the five if they don't, you know, get the one. 467 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: You know, if they don't get the one, two, if 468 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: they can't get the one or the two by being 469 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: a division winner, the second place team in the East, 470 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: regardless of what their record is, is going to drop 471 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: all the way to the five seeds. 472 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: So meet the champion from the NFC South. There's no 473 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: other way to make it fair. But it's never cease 474 00:22:58,560 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 2: to make me smile. 475 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got I mean, it's crazy, It's it's crazy 476 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: right now. You've got you've got three teams in the 477 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: NFC tied for the number one seed. You have three 478 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: teams tied for the NFC South lead, all of them 479 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: below five hundred. And then you have this whole hodgepodge 480 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: of other teams that are six and seven and jockeying 481 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: with one another to try to get to try to 482 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: get a wild card spot. And you know, I, as 483 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: I said in one of my Insider Inbox answers, I 484 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: like to say a lot at this time of year, 485 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: buckle up here we go. I mean, you know, there's 486 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: there is so much football left there. Every team has 487 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: got four games left to go, which means every team 488 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: could go four and oh or every team could go 489 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: zero and four or anywhere in between, and so there's 490 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: no telling. There's no telling how this is going to 491 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: sort itself out. And and job one for the Green 492 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: Bay Packers is simply to get past this one, learn 493 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: what you need to learn from it. Gear up for 494 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: a Tampa Bay team that is feeling pretty good about 495 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: itself with a chance to win a division in the 496 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: NFC South. They're coming in here on Sunday to lambeau Field, 497 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: and the Packers are going to be scratching and clon 498 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: to get themselves back in the wind call. 499 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: The Packers gave one back. That's what happened on Monday night. 500 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: And I said, with that stretch of games against the Chargers, 501 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: the Lions in Kansas City, they needed to go too 502 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: and one. I thought for sure they definitely needed to 503 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: go one and one with Detroit and Kansas City to 504 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: put themselves up in a situation here to get on 505 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 2: a big run late. They did that. They went three 506 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: and oh, two and oh. But now you got that 507 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 2: one finally crept up unexpectedly against the Giants. But no 508 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 2: matter what way you slice it, it is going to 509 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: be difficult to make a playoff run. If you don't 510 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: take care of business at home against Tampa, you don't 511 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: beat the Panthers on Christmas Eve, and you don't hold 512 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 2: serve against Chicago in the finale, no matter which way 513 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: you slice it. Yeah, that's what the green bait Packers 514 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: have to do, not saying they're gonna win them all. 515 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: And if you do it, if you don't, it becomes 516 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 2: a lot harder though, and Green Bay is back at 517 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 2: six and seven, and they need to have that feistiness, 518 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: that fire of a six and seven team that's trying 519 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: to prove that you know what, in this NFC picture, 520 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: we are one of the top seven teams and we 521 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: deserve a ticket to the dance. 522 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Packers have been fighting since Week three to get 523 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: back above five hundred. They haven't been above five hundred 524 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: since they were two and one. After the comeback victory 525 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: over the Saints, you had a chance, you finally had 526 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: a chance to get back above five hundred. You let 527 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: it get away. The goal is still to get back 528 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: above five hundred because you know what that would mean. 529 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: But now you have to get back to five hundred 530 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: first before you can get above five hundred. It's one 531 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: step at a time Packers took a step backwards. Now 532 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: you got to get moving forward once again. 533 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: And that requires putting the best foot forward, which the 534 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers will look to do this Sunday a 535 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: Lambellfield nude Central start time on all your. 536 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: Hey Fox noon Central start time. That means omelets after 537 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: these back to back night games. That's like music to 538 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: my ears. 539 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: Your ears on has a birthday on Sunday, I could 540 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: have used the night game. 541 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: That's okay, though, celebrate on Saturday. 542 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's actually what we're gonna do, assuming 543 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: no one else's signs smart work. 544 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: All right, Well, with that, we'll call it a wrap 545 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscript, but be sure to 546 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team on Packers 547 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: dot com. We'll be back with another show right away 548 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: tomorrow to look ahead to the Tampa Bay game. Things 549 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: obviously a little messed up this week with the Monday 550 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: night road trip, but we get We're getting things back 551 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: under control here, folks as best we can. So for Wes, 552 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: I am Mike. Thank you for tuning in everybody, and 553 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: we will see you next time.