1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Wow, everybody, It's Wednesday, June twelfth, twenty twenty four. Welcome 2 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we stopped believing 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: in cover jinxes years ago. 4 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: It's been your man, MG. Marcus Grant, Michael. 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Lift Florio back from in New York, M Kwan Jones 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: who hasn't been to New York in a wild because 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: he lives in Los Angeles. 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: Now well Florida one, We welcome back. Then, how was 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: the trip? 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: The trip was awesome. I love thank you to first 11 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: for holding it down last week. I love going back home, 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: getting to see all my friends, my nieces and nephews 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: are awesome, so shout out Dominic. Dorian Penny loved spending 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 3: all weekend with you guys. And yeah, if my boys 15 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: sounds a little hoarse, it's because I spent the entire 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: weekend from morning till night playing with a four year old, 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: a six year old, and an eleven year old. 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: So nice. 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 4: That tends to happen. 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: It tends to have And chances are you may have 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: picked up a virus or something, yeah, because you know, 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: kids are germ factories, so you might have picked up 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: something along the way there. 24 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: So but welcome back. 25 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: I know you were actually gonna be out hitting the 26 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: road heading to America's finest city for a couple of days. 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, because I got to go see from on 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 3: my side of the family, like my nieces and nephews 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: and now Nicolette's nephew. They're in San Diego for the week. 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: So tomorrow morning we're driving down for a few days. 31 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 3: And look, this is what we were talking about a 32 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago on the pod. 33 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: It's June. This is one of the few months where 34 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: we could just kind of like pick up and go. 35 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know if you've looked. The Padres are 36 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: in town, the A's are visiting. I would think the 37 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: tickets should be easy to come by if you decide 38 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: you want to hit to you know, beautiful park, Diamtric Yeah, 39 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: go walk around Petco Park for a day. I would 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: recommend it. That's all I'm saying. We have plenty to 41 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: talk about today. We're gonna do some hype train or 42 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: smoke screen. It's been a while since we've one. We've 43 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: had OTA's come and go, so obviously there's some some 44 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: things we're talking about there. We'll also talk some early 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: round movers when it comes to Best Ball drafts and 46 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and kind of figure out whether 47 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: or not we would draft these guys at their current ADP. 48 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 2: But first, let's start with a little bit of news. 49 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: This one came out on Tuesday morning, and that is 50 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: because Christian McCaffrey is now the cover man, cover artist, 51 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: cover man for the new Madden game, Madden twenty five. 52 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: So I will ask you this, Lakwan, as the resident 53 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: forty nine or hater. 54 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: McCaffrey is sort of the one dot one in most drafts, 55 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: so we kind of need him to succeed. But you, 56 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: as a RAM fan and Niner hater, would certainly like 57 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: to pray on his downfall. How are you feeling about 58 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: him being on the cover right now? 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 5: Well confirmed, I will now be purchasing because I can't. 60 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: Have that house. 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 5: But I really feel as though Aaron Donald should have 62 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 5: been on the cover. The guy goes out on top retirement, 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 5: the goat like, what are we doing here? Misopportunity? I'm 64 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 5: not I'm not a fan of it, to be honest. 65 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: All right, Well, then what I will do for you 66 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: is I will print out a picture of Aaron Donald 67 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: and you can like glue it to the cover of 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: Madden and have your own specialition. 69 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 5: Come on, that's not how that works now. It's all 70 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 5: digital gaming now, man, you can't get the cover the 71 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 5: physical I. 72 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 3: Will look download games all the time, But last year 73 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: when Josh Allen was on the cover, I went to 74 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 3: a game stop and bought a physical copy of the game. 75 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: Now it's so annoying because I need to have the 76 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: disc in to play the game. But I can have 77 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: that cover. I got to make it part of my 78 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: backdrop forever now. 79 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: So I mean, if you were really a fan, you 80 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: would buy the physical copy and download the digital copy, 81 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: double up and have both and then not to worry 82 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: about the disc putting the disc into the console. 83 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 5: We're so lazy now. 84 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: But Ford, I mean the cover Jinx is dead right, 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: Like we don't. This isn't the thing anymore, is it? 86 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: No? 87 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: Because I mean Josh Allen was on it last year 88 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: and people were like, I'm fading him and he finished 89 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: just the QB one. 90 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: Who is it the year prior? I gotta pull up the. 91 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Jackson, Tom Brady, Tom Brady and Patrick MAHOMESA. 92 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: Mahomes still went on to have a great year, like 93 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: like it's it's long dead the Madden curse. But what 94 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: will happen is if something happens to Christian McCaffrey this year, 95 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: everyone will point to it and say that's why. 96 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, other than just you know, hey, he plays football man, 97 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: and and sometimes things happen. Sometimes guys get hurt, sometimes 98 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: guys play. 99 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 5: Say you play it safe and you put Aaron Donald 100 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 5: on the cover, there's there's no Madden curse. 101 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: We're done. That's I'm not gonna let him die. 102 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: But guys who retired the year before on the on 103 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the cover, we'll just do that. 104 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 2: At this point. 105 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of guys retiring, Darren Waller announced his retirement after 106 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: eight seasons in the NFL lakwan. Is it because he'd 107 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: had enough of NFL football? Or was it because he 108 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: couldn't go back in the locker room after the music video? 109 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 5: He really it might be a little bit of both, honestly, 110 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 5: because man, I actually sat there and listened to an 111 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 5: entire song and this ain't it. I'm gonna just be honest, 112 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 5: This ain't it. This ain't getting no iPod love none whatsoever. 113 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: Uh Well, I mean, I think basically he was trying 114 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: to get some love from his now ex wife as 115 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: soon to be ex wife Kelsey Plum. 116 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 5: That that's not how you get her back. You just 117 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 5: made her run away further with this song. 118 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, if you've seen shots of 119 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: her Florio, she is certainly living her best life. It 120 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: looks like Kelsey Plum has very much moved on. I mean, 121 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: I know they're in the midst of the w NBA season, 122 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,679 Speaker 1: but seeing her pre and postgame fits, I think she's 123 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: moved on at this point. 124 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: I agree, But I'm not gonna hate on Darren Waller. 125 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: Look, we've all been in this position, right and like, 126 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: there's there's much worse ways he could have went and 127 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 3: handled this, So I'm not Look, he's he's at a 128 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: low point in life right now. So yeah, Waller, look, 129 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: I don't I didn't. It's the best song ever, but 130 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: I think it got a little too much hate it. 131 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: Give him, give him a little bit of time. 132 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 3: We've seen a lot of athletes be terrible as rappers. 133 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he could be one of the few that 134 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 3: figures it out well. 135 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: We I mean, look, you're right, we have all sort 136 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: of gone out and done maybe some weird things that 137 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: we regret after breakups, after tough breakups. You know who 138 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: among us hasn't posted an auto tuned rap video. 139 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: On YouTube in the Internet for the whole world. See 140 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: as a former rapper, I have not. All Right, well, 141 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: I have a question about that a little bit later on. 142 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: But let's let's actually talk about the football part of this, 143 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: because obviously he was a big part when he was 144 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 1: healthy of the Giants offense. 145 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: He is now gone. 146 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: Now presumably Lakwan Malik Neighbors is the number one target 147 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: there for Big Blue this year, but that begs the question, 148 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: who is now the number two pass catcher for Daniel 149 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: Jones and the Giants. 150 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 5: This is a good question because you had Wanda Robinson 151 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 5: who led the team and receptions last year, and the 152 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 5: guy only started thirteen games. And I feel as though, 153 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 5: you know you have somebody that's as explosive, somebody you 154 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 5: can utilize multiple ways in the offense, where I think 155 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 5: he steps up as the second, you know target this offense, 156 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 5: where you know you're hoping that this offense can gel 157 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 5: together somewhat to move downfield, to find ways to create 158 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,559 Speaker 5: some scoring opportunities, and hopefully Dane Jones can stay healthy. 159 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 5: So I mean I honestly think, you know, Darius Slayton's 160 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 5: not out of the question either. He's been pretty consistently 161 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 5: like seven hundred yard season, So it could be really 162 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 5: a toss up between those two. 163 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Any interest in either of those guys Floria or maybe 164 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: in Who's next it tied end, be it Daniel Bellinger 165 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: or Teo Johnson, an anybody there that really sort of 166 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: moves the needle for. 167 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: You, uh, moves the needle, not really like I don't 168 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: find myself really going after Giants guys, especially the later 169 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: you get, I mean, after Milik Nighbors, it completely fins out. 170 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: But if I am taking a shot on anyone, I 171 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: like Jalen Hyatt because right now. 172 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 4: We're talking best ball, like he is very explosive. 173 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: He can win downfield, but you don't have to try 174 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: to guess in basketball when those big long catches and 175 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: those touchdowns are gonna come. So I think he's a 176 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: player that could have a lot of spike weeks, even 177 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: if they're tough to figure out when like in redraft, 178 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: he might be a player that you're pulling your hair 179 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: out with, But in bastball, I definitely think he could. 180 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: He could come through in some of those games, but 181 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 3: it'll probably be Darius Slayton, who leads them in receiving 182 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: yards basically every year since he's been there. I think 183 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: there's one year he didn't lead them since he's joined 184 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: the Giants. But he's just more of a safe floor 185 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: kind of guy, and even the floor isn't all that high. 186 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 4: As for the tight ends, though, THEO. 187 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 3: Johnson is one, and then look we're talking about your 188 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: late last pick in in Best Ball or even more 189 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: so probably for redraft, like someone that blossoms throughout the 190 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 3: year off the waiver wire. 191 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: But he's huge, and he is fast. 192 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: He's six six and he ran a four or five 193 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: Evan since twenty two thousand and three. He is just 194 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: the fourth tight end that size to run that fast. 195 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: One of the others was Jimmy Graham. So he could 196 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: be he could be a yat guy for them, but 197 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 3: even more than that, I think he can be their 198 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: go to guy in the red zone if things break 199 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: right for him. So, yeah, you're talking about like an 200 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: eighteenth round pick or someone just to kind of write 201 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: down in your redraft leagues. I'm more excited for Johnson 202 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 3: than Bellinger. We kind of know what Bellinger is. 203 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: At this point, Yeah, I mean sort of where I am. 204 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: I've been drafting Alak Neighbors. I don't know that there's 205 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: another Giant that I've drafted really since there, you know, 206 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: and I think I do feel like Milak Neighbors by 207 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: the way, his ADP has gotten pushed up in part, 208 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean one because you know he's going to be 209 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: the number one receiver there. He's a guy that we love, 210 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: we love his talent, but also because I think the 211 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: assumption has been for a long time that Darren Wallder 212 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: is going to retire, and so because of that, people 213 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: are like, let me get in on League Neighbors as 214 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: the one thing we feel like we can count on 215 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: in this offense. Beyond that, though, it has been kind 216 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: of kind of sketchy about who we really believe. 217 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: In there for New York. 218 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: Before we get off this topic, though, Lakwan, you mentioned 219 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: being a rapper. 220 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: If I remember, I think I've seen one of your. 221 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: Videos got poduct It's it's somewhere out there on YouTube. 222 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 5: I'm not going to disclose my rap name, but. 223 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: But anyway, who had the better rap career? Is that 224 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: Darren Waller? 225 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 4: Is it? 226 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,479 Speaker 2: Antonio Brown? Or is it Cole Beasley? 227 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 5: Ah, Man, I gotta tell you one night out, I 228 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 5: heard AB come on, so throw that ish on. That's 229 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 5: somewhat of a banger out there. So he's obviously he's 230 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 5: the bar right. 231 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: Now, is he? I mean with the choices we have, yes. 232 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: I think, you know, look, whatever your feelings on Cole 233 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: Beasley's you know, stances on you know, politics and facts whatever, 234 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: I honestly think he was kind of the best of 235 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: the three. Like Antonio Brown always made me cringe. Everything 236 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: he's put out there has been cringe worthy. Waller, I 237 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: think it's just kind of man. I weirdly think Beasley 238 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: might be the the best of the three, which is crazy. 239 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: I think AB just because one he's worked with Kanye, 240 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: which is insane, and two he's like performed at festivals 241 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: and stuff, so I think. 242 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 4: That gives them. 243 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: But if we're talking best, I think the best football 244 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: player rapper is Arion Foster. 245 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: Oh I forgot about that's right? Yeah, No, you're right, Yeah, 246 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: I think. 247 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 5: That forgot about. 248 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: I think it did. 249 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: By the way, you mentioned Antonio Brown working with Kanye, 250 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: I mean that feels like two p's. 251 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: In a pod. 252 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: Those guys person those guys, It's not a surprise that 253 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: that they would have worked together. 254 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: It feels like they belong together for sure. 255 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: All right, back to the football stuff, Jordan Love says 256 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: he believes the Packers don't have to have a number 257 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: one wide receiver and Florida we sort of saw that 258 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: last year. You know, whether it was Jaden Reed, Christian Watson, uh, 259 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: Dontavian Wick, Romeo Dobbs, all these guys sort of getting involved. 260 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: If you had to designate somebody as the wide receiver 261 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: one in Green Bay, who would that be? 262 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 4: I think it's Jayden Reid. 263 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 3: And I think for like the first half of the 264 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: year they didn't really have a guy. But as the 265 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: second half of the year progressed, I think it became pretty. 266 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 4: Clear that, like Jayden Reid was carving. 267 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: Out a role here where like they are going to 268 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: generate touches for him because Reid can do it all. 269 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 4: He can be. 270 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: Utilized as a runner and is a really good yak receiver. 271 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: He can stretch the field a bit. But I do agree. 272 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: I mean, when you have four different wide receivers that 273 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 3: you're excited about and that you want to get the 274 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: ball to, you don't have a clear cut number one. 275 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 3: And while Reid is the one that I feel best about, 276 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: he is the one that you have to pay a 277 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: premium for out of this group. So as much as 278 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: I like him and everything, I do kind of find 279 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 3: myself taking him in a couple of drafts, but then 280 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: also taking shots on like Dantavian Wicks, who goes really late, 281 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: and Christian Watson at where he's going something like wide 282 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: receiver forty five is just someone I can can't quit 283 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: because we know how explosive he is and and I 284 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: understand all the risk with Watson and the hamstring and 285 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: then he let down last year and him and Jordan 286 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: Love have terrible, uh like numbers when you look at 287 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: when you break it down like on a per target 288 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: basis and stuff. But like where he's going, he's still 289 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 3: really cheap, and I'm like, he's he's got huge. 290 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 4: Play capability and and a very high ceiling for fantasy purposes. Yeah. 291 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting too, because when Jordan Love took 292 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,479 Speaker 1: over as the starting quarterback Aaron Rodgers. 293 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: Had left to go to New York. 294 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: There was a big conversation about how much Aaron Rodgers 295 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: contributed to Christian Watson's success. I don't know that we 296 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: have a definitive answer on that, just because he still 297 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: hasn't been completely healthy. But Lacon, I mean, let's talk redrafts, right, 298 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: because I think in in Bestball, we're all willing to 299 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: take those shots because you don't have to worry about 300 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: sliding them into a lineup on a week to week 301 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: basis looking at the Fantasy Pros consensus ADP. Now, mind you, 302 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: this is mostly best based on Best Ball drafts. But 303 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: let's let's talk a redraft thing here, right, Reid Watson, 304 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: do Wicks? 305 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 2: Are we overdrafting them? I mean, how much does it 306 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: move the needle? 307 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: How much does it move the ADPs if we're talking 308 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: about having to decipher when they're gonna go off on 309 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: a weekly basis. 310 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 5: Maybe a little bit on Read, but I'm willing to 311 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 5: gamble on Read, just based on the fancy opportunities as 312 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 5: created for him. But Watson, he's still going a little 313 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 5: too high for me, being that with the injury history, 314 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 5: like availability, it's your best ability here and I'd rather 315 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 5: you know, fade Watson, you know, taking on the risks. 316 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 5: I know we're hearing good things coming out of camp 317 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 5: about his hamstring and everything like that. But it's just 318 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 5: way too much risk there for especially for redraft, when 319 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 5: you're gonna have a guy that's probably gonna be on 320 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 5: your bench most weeks, and then you're probably gonna miss 321 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 5: out on those really big weeks because you're too cautious 322 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 5: about the injury or about the underperformance. So to answer 323 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 5: that question, you go for Wicks. You go for Wicks 324 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 5: who's shown the ability to show up, show out with 325 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 5: the limited opportunities. We see how explosive he is. We 326 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 5: saw the immediate connection between him and Jordan Love, So 327 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 5: you have the upside there. And he's the cheapest wide 328 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 5: receiver out of the Green Bay Packers offense. So if 329 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 5: you want a piece of it, I would take the 330 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 5: game on and read, and then you could play it 331 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 5: safe and take Wis so he could show up and 332 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 5: be ready for when his name is called. 333 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the thing with Wis because 334 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: right now wide receiver sixty, there is very little risk 335 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: involved in drafting him. But I mean, Florida, it just 336 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: feels like a kind of thing where you draft him 337 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: and does he ever see the lineup? 338 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: Because you're like, well. 339 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: It feels like the odds of him giving you like 340 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: three and a half points are greater than those those 341 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: opportunities where he gives you, you know, twelve to fifteen points. 342 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: It just the packers feel very scary to me. The 343 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: wide receivers, I should say, feel very scary to me 344 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: as a group. I don't know if you feel the 345 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: same way. 346 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: No, I do, And I don't have a ton of 347 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: exposure to really any of them outside of Jayden Reid 348 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: because Jayden Reid is the one that is going to 349 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: be out there in three wide receiver sets. I'm pretty 350 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: confident he'll be out there in two wide receiver sets 351 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 3: if healthy. I feel the same way about Christian Watson, 352 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: like he will be on the fields because of what 353 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 3: he can give you and stuff like that. Dobbs is 354 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: the one that I'm fading because I think he's more 355 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: of a safe floor player, and I think the floors 356 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 3: is still kind of risky because one of these guys 357 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 3: is gonna be the odd man out out if when 358 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: they're all healthy, and I know, like problems like that 359 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: tend to work themselves out. But it took injuries to 360 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: other guys for Wicks to get out there last year, 361 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: and even Romeo Dobbs with the year he had, it 362 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: was very touchdown propped up. It was propped up by 363 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: his eight touchdowns. So he's not a guy that I 364 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: think you can rely on big plays or yardage or 365 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: anything like that. 366 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: So largely it's read for me. 367 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 3: But even there, I'm like, I don't find myself going 368 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: into drafts being like I need to get one of 369 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 3: these Packers wide receivers. 370 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the upside there. 371 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: And then somebody pointed out to me a couple of 372 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: weeks ago that it's very similar to what we have 373 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: in Houston with Nico Collins, Tank Dell, and Stefan Diggs. 374 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: The difference being the Packers guys are a lot cheaper 375 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: when it comes to ADP than any of the guys 376 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: you're going after in Houston. Last bit of news Zamir White, 377 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: Alexander Madison's they are quote in this together as they 378 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: aim to replace Josh Jacobs. We have sort of looked 379 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: at this as this is Amir White's backfield. I've joked 380 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: on this show that, you know, the once Josh Jacobs left, 381 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: everybody in Fantasy Twitter was like, hey man, it's it's 382 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: a Zamir White season. And then they signed Alexander Madison 383 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: and Fantasy Twitter was like, hey man, it's Zamir White season. 384 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Like nobody really moved on that now. I mean, Floria, 385 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: I do think that Zamir White is going to be 386 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: the lead running back, but maybe have we overestimated how 387 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: much the Raiders want to lean on him? I mean, 388 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: is there a fear that maybe Alexander Madison gets more 389 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: work than we anticipated? 390 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: Uh? 391 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: I don't know. 392 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: I've never been a big Alexander Madison guy. Like last year, 393 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 3: he was one of my biggest fades coming into the year. 394 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: And I know you could say a lot of what 395 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: I was saying about Alexander Madison last year about Zamir White, 396 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: that it's a lot easier to be the guy when 397 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: you're being asked to get those twenty touches for a 398 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: game or two year there, rather than for seventeen games. 399 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: But when Zamir White took over down the stretch last year, 400 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: he was awesome, Like he averaged twenty carries per game, 401 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 3: ninety five yards, not a ton. 402 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 4: Of pass catching chops. 403 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: So my one concern, and the thing I've been thinking 404 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: a lot with this Raiders backfield is like, who's going 405 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: to be that secondary back that gets involved in the 406 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: passing game. But I don't think that's gonna be Alexander 407 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 3: Madison's role either. I think Madison's role on this team 408 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 3: is gonna kind of be what it was on the Vikings, 409 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 3: Like if our starter goes down, you are now the guy, 410 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 3: like you're gonna. 411 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: Get that role. 412 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 3: But on a week to week basis, I don't think 413 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 3: he's going to have a clear cut RB two role. 414 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: And you talk about Zamir White where he's getting drafted 415 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: right now as a low end RB two, I'm all 416 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: about taking him because at that price, you're you're already 417 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: kind of I think getting him closer to the floor 418 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 3: than the ceiling. I do believe if Zamir White stays 419 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: healthy this year, he could finish as a low end 420 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: RB one because I think the Raiders want to run 421 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 3: the ball and I think they want their identity to 422 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: kind of be ground and pound. So I'm cool taking 423 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 3: Zamir White where he's going. And Alexander Madison does not 424 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 3: scare me, y'all? 425 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: Are you are you cool with Zamir White right now? 426 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: Uh? 427 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: Lakwan, Yeah, absolutely. 428 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 5: I mean we don't have to worry about Alexander Madison 429 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 5: finding the end zone. I mean seventeen or ten center, 430 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 5: ten yards, zero touchdowns. I mean that's pretty nasty work there. 431 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 5: So I think you gotta kind of have that locked up. 432 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 5: In his role as the RB one for the Raiders, 433 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 5: we already know red zone duty. You know, he'll be 434 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 5: able to excel there, find the end zone, put some 435 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 5: points on the board. So I'm okay with getting where 436 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 5: he's at right now. I just think we should keep 437 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 5: it on the hush so we can get the value 438 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 5: on him. I don't want to see his ADP push 439 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 5: way too high and then it becomes nasty work. 440 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I could kind of get down with that. 441 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: I just I don't know. 442 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: Something is telling me that maybe we see more Madison 443 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: than we anticipate, at least early on. Maybe we get 444 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: midway through the season and the Raiders are like, oh 445 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: wait a minute, we don't like this, and then they 446 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: go back to Samirwai. 447 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just feel like early on we might 448 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 2: be a little bit appointed. 449 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: U and Dylanabe the rookie, he's a sleeper there. I think. 450 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: I go back and forth on that, right because, like 451 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: I went early into this draft season, thinking like he's 452 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: got some sleeper value, and maybe he does, but it 453 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: feels like in OTAs you weren't hearing his name a lot. 454 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: In fact, you know, occasionally a Mirrordulla's name still pops 455 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: up another not that I think a mirror of Doulah 456 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: is like worth drafting, but I feel like he's that 457 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: guy who can sort of wreck your year, you know. 458 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 3: I think one of those two have the best chances 459 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: of being the past catching back for the Raiders, and 460 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: and yeah, it'll be inconsistent usage and stuff like that, 461 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 3: but games where they're trailing and they have to throw 462 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: a lot, I could see those guys surprising. 463 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be interesting. 464 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: I think early on, I think I drafted some of 465 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Lobby and maybe I'll go back to him a little bit, 466 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: depending on how things shake out when it gets to 467 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: training camp. 468 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 2: And that sort of thing. But who knows. 469 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: Who knows would take a break, We'll come back and 470 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: play some hype train or smoke screen, looking at some 471 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: of the things that came out of ota Is and 472 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how we feel about him. That's 473 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. It's been a 474 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: while since we had played any hype train or smoke screen, 475 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: and so it felt like this is a good time 476 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: to do it because we've got news at least, we have, 477 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, reports out of OTAs and that sort of thing, 478 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: and that's good enough to let us kind of, you know, 479 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: come up with our own theories on something. So I 480 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: got four different talking points here we can decide if 481 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: it's a hype train or a smoke screen. This one 482 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: coming from Pittsburgh from Beat writer Mark Coboli, who says 483 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: Pat Fryarmouth quote could have a breakout year and that 484 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: basically it looks like he and Russell Wilson have found 485 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: a connection so far in OTAs. 486 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: I mean, we have liked Friar Mooth. 487 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I think at times, I don't think he's ever completely 488 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: lived up to what we hoped he could be. I 489 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: don't know that it's always been his fault, LaQuan, But 490 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: after you see these reports about him having a breakout 491 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: year hype train or smoke screen. 492 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 5: Hype train, I'm actually for it. And he's always been 493 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 5: somewhat of a productive tight end when it comes to 494 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 5: the yards per row, when it comes him just getting 495 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 5: open and his utility, it's just he just wasn't able 496 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 5: to hit his full fantasy potential due to the quarterback play. 497 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 5: So you have somewhat of an upgrade here with the 498 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 5: quarterback play and decision making. And we know Russell Wilson. 499 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 5: Wilson tends to like lean on targets that he can 500 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 5: trust as well. And I think Pat Fayremuth getting this 501 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 5: much hype early in the train, I'm here for it, man, 502 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 5: hype train, smoke screen Floria. 503 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: I think it's a hype train because of the ADP, 504 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 3: like you're getting him as a tight end two, and 505 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 3: he's one of my favorite tight end twos to take like. 506 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: He was awful last year, but I agree with Lakwan 507 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 3: it was because of the quarterback play and he also 508 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: struggled to stay on the field last year. But Russell 509 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: Wilson has shown us that he can get the tight 510 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 3: ends involved, especially in the red zone. He loves going 511 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 3: to his big body tight ends and justin fields if 512 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 3: and when he takes over. Has shown us that he 513 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 3: can sustain a fantasy tight end and get the most 514 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 3: out of them. He made Cole Comet very fantasy relevant 515 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: so as potentially the number two target in this offense. 516 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: At tight End fourteen, I'm cool with taking him there. 517 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the hype trained for it as well, because, 518 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, it always feels like Russell Wilson wants 519 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: to get his tight ends involved. 520 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: I think we saw that in Seattle. 521 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how it worked in Denver because he 522 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: could never keep his tight ends healthy, and I guess 523 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: to some extent that was sort of the thing with 524 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: the Seahawks as well. They could never keep a healthy 525 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: tight end. So in terms of wanting to get Friarmuth involved, 526 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: knowing how talented he is, I'm all about the hype 527 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: train there. My fear though, is, you know, is Russell 528 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: Wilson going to be the jinx that doesn't allow Pat 529 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: Fryarmouth to stay healthy? 530 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 2: You know? 531 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: I know that's more you know, correlation than causation sort 532 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: of thing, Like I don't know that Russell Wilson is 533 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the reason guys get hurt, but it just seems like 534 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: his tight ends never stay healthy. 535 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: So that, you know, is my own little person. 536 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 5: There on hospitable walls or something. 537 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I got to have to go 538 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: back and look, but I don't know if that just 539 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: for whatever reason the tight ends just don't seem to stay. 540 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: Healthy around Russell Wilson. I don't get it. 541 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: In Tennessee, Tyler Boyd says Will Levis quote tried to 542 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: do too much last year and can quote rely more 543 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: on his playmakers. We know they've got DeAndre Hopkins. We 544 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: know that they got Calvin Ridley. They go out to 545 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: get Tyler Boyd. They have pass catching running backs and 546 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard and Taj Spears. You know, last year it 547 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: was it was sort of up and down on this one. Florio, 548 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, so are you let's just say about Will Levis. 549 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: Are you are you hype training Will Levis or is 550 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: this all a smoke. 551 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 4: Screen hype train? 552 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: In fact, Will Levis is one of my favorite quarterbacks. 553 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 3: To take a shot on it. Where he's going right now, 554 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 3: I mean he's going out like quarterback twenty three to 555 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: twenty four something like that in ADP right now. And 556 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: I've been taking a lot of him. Last year, he 557 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 3: led the NFL deep pass percentage twenty one percent of 558 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 3: his throws went twenty or more air yards. Every other 559 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: starter was fourteen percent or less. He also led the 560 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: league in hero throws at something like nine percent and 561 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: it was like almost double the next closest guy or 562 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: something like that. He did lock in on his first 563 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: read seventy three percent of the time, So Pylot Boyd. 564 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 4: Is right there. 565 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: He can develop more and learn to read a defense 566 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: better and spread the ball out a little bit more. 567 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: There's a lot of area for growth with will Levis. 568 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 3: But just the fact that he's going to be heaving 569 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 3: the ball downfield, the fact that we're already hearing that 570 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: Brian Callahan and co. 571 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 4: Plan on throwing the ball way more than. 572 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 3: The Titans have in past years when Mike Brabel was 573 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: there and Derrick Henry was there. I think this Titans 574 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 3: offense is going to look very different than anything we've 575 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: seen out of them for years. 576 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 4: And look, I don't care how it translates. 577 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 3: In real life, but for fantasy, Will Levis has a 578 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 3: high upside, has a high ceiling. I think he could 579 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 3: be something like remember that year were Blake Bortles where 580 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 3: like the Jags were just losing, but he was putting 581 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 3: up big numbers. 582 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 4: Because that could be Will Levis this year, and I'm 583 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 4: all about taking him where he's going. 584 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: The reason Blake Bortles put up big numbers that year 585 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: is because usually in the first half of games he 586 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: was throwing multiple interceptions and putting them behind and then 587 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: having to go out and throw. I mean, he was 588 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: a he was a prime candidate. He was sort of 589 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: the pre Jameis Winston. You know, it was kind of 590 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: what he was doing that year. Lokwan, are you in 591 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: on will Levis? You're buying in on him this year? 592 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 5: Yes, I am. I mean the value on him is great. 593 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 5: QB two where you can get him Layton Drafts and 594 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 5: Best Ball right now, redraft, everybody's going to be down 595 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 5: on him. I'm here for Tyler Boyd speaking up for 596 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 5: his QB because he's such a great addition to that 597 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 5: offense as well being that the way they're going to 598 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 5: be able to utilize him to get these third downs, 599 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 5: you know, converted. I think that was the biggest problem 600 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 5: for will Lews there. I mean, he had a sixteen 601 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 5: passer rating win targeting DeAndre Hopkins on third down. That 602 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 5: is disgusting. He's your best player and you probably couldn't 603 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 5: name any other wide receiver other than trey Lon Birds 604 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 5: and DeAndre Hopkins. 605 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: Man put some respect on Nick Westbrookakina's name. 606 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 5: You know what, I put some respect on it, because yeah, 607 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: I did pick him up off the waivers one time, 608 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 5: but again, I just feel as though they just did 609 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 5: right by him this year. So I'm jumping on the 610 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 5: train I am. 611 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm all in like you guys are, 612 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: but I do think there's reason to be optimistic the 613 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: fact that they have built around him, and you know, 614 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: we've talked about it with Carolina, how they've tried to 615 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: build around Bryce Young. 616 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: They have done the same thing around. 617 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: Will Levis, and I think to your point, Florio, this 618 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: is going to be a very different looking Titans offense 619 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: than what we were used to seeing with Derrick Henry 620 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: Gaughan and just a complete overhaul of the coaching staff. 621 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: It's not going to look like any Titans offenses we 622 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: have seen in the past at all. Couple things out 623 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: of Minnesota One defensive tackle Harrison Phillips says the Vikings 624 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: quote have two true number one running backs when it 625 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: comes to Aaron Jones, Anty Chandler Lakwan, I'll stick with 626 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: you hype train or smoke. 627 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: Screen on this one. 628 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 5: Smoke screen for sure. I think they're just trying to 629 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 5: hype up ty Chandler to put some you know, ire 630 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 5: unders but you know the do good du camp. I 631 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 5: think this is Aaron Jones's backfield, to be honest, I mean, 632 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 5: I'm not really gonna be handcuffing, you know, Tyler ty 633 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 5: Chandler if I do get Aaron Jones. So I'm just 634 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 5: gonna go with the notion like, Okay, this is just 635 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 5: camp talk. 636 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: Uh you're feeling that way to Florida or is there 637 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: maybe something potentially there with ty Chandler. 638 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: I think he can be utilized as as like an 639 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: RB two. There worries me is like Aaron Jones has 640 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 3: been heavily propped up in fantasy because of a heavy 641 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: involvement in the passing game throughout his career. Ty Chandler 642 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: is a bigger threat to come in on third downs 643 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 3: or take a full drive something like that. Then AJ 644 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 3: Dillon was because AJ Dillon does not have good hands, 645 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: not good in the passing game. So ty Chandler is 646 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 3: definitely a bigger risk there. 647 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 4: But I agree with LQ. 648 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: With Lakwan, I'm not like baiting Aaron Jones because of 649 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 3: ty Chandler or anything like that. Although I also don't 650 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 3: find myself really actively going after Aaron Jones because he 651 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 3: is twenty nine years old and struggled to stay on 652 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: the field. Last year saw a little bit of dip 653 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 3: in production until late in the year where he just boomed. 654 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: Like I still think he has talent there and stuff, 655 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: but twenty nine years old for a player who's already 656 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 3: struggled to. 657 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: Stay on the field in his career. 658 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 3: If he falls to me at the right price, I'm 659 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: cool taking him. But he's not like a big target 660 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: of mine going into my drafts. 661 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: I'm sort of down on the Vikings. 662 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm not drafting them, any of them. 663 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: I think at ADP if I get them the fall, 664 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: then I will look at drafting Vikings, but I'm not 665 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: taking any of them at cost right now, just because 666 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions about the quarterback playing 667 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: what that's gonna mean for the offense in general. 668 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Smokespreen on this one. 669 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it's Harrison Phillips trying to be a 670 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: good teammate and pump up the guys around him. 671 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: I think they've got. 672 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: A borderline number one running back in Aaron Jones, and 673 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: then they've got a guy who can fill in nicely 674 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: in Ti Chandler when they need him to last one. 675 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say, I know it's gonna be smoke. 676 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it because it was 677 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: just funny to me. 678 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 2: Lakwan. 679 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: The Vikings coaches reportedly are quote blown away by Robert 680 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: Tunyan your thoughts. 681 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 5: I mean, you can see my face. I know this 682 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 5: is an audio broadcast, but my face is scrutched him, like, 683 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 5: what are we doing here? This is a smoke screen. 684 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 5: I mean, this dude's just trying to collect all the 685 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 5: division rings here and you know, just be on each 686 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 5: team that he could be on. 687 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: And he's a good guy. 688 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 5: He's probably a great locker room guy. So I feel 689 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 5: like they just, you know, put this out there, just 690 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 5: say like, hey man, this guy's great. Man, he's great 691 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 5: for the team. But this is definitely a smoke screen. 692 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, let's talk about this to Florida, 693 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: right Knowing that T. J. Hawkinson is not gonna be 694 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: ready at the start of the year, may not be 695 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: till mid to later in the year, is there any 696 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: potential value there with Tunyan? 697 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: No, because I don't even know if he's gonna be 698 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 3: the next tight end up like Josh Oliver, Johnny Munt. 699 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: Nikhil Harry making the move to tight end. 700 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: Like that's one that I was like, look, I know 701 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 3: it doesn't really mean a whole lot, but maybe it 702 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: means a little something until TJ. 703 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 4: Howkinson comes back in his back. 704 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, last year, Adam Rank was accusing Robert Tunnian 705 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: of being a double agent for the Packers. 706 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 4: So he had one. 707 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 3: Year where he was heavily propped up by Aaron Rodgers 708 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: throwing him into the red zone. Besides that, we know 709 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 3: who Robert Tunyan is. 710 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, big Bob man. 711 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: He had that one year as you mentioned, and hasn't 712 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: come to anything close to that. But yeah, that to 713 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: me was the epitome of a June hype train or 714 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: smoke screen comment. When I saw that kind of coming 715 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: across my Twitter timeline, I'm. 716 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 2: Like, what are we doing here? Come on? 717 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 5: Probably a good guy, he's probably a nice guy. 718 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's a really wonderful human being. 719 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: In terms of our fantasy teams, we are not interested 720 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: at all in Robert Tunyan. 721 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: All Right, got a little bit more left to do. 722 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: We're gonna play some smasher pass. 723 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: When it comes to some early round Bestball ADP movers. 724 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: That's next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Doing a 725 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: little something new here on the show, It's time to 726 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: Drive Your Draft, presented by the all new hybrid Toyota Camri. 727 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: We're talking about just some draft strategies as we get 728 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: into the midst of Best Ball summer. We are here 729 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: in mid June, and I'm sure everybody has done a 730 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: ton of drafts. Let me double check make sure I 731 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: am not on the clock. It appears it appears that 732 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: I am. I just went on the clock. I got time, 733 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: all right, So. 734 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: Here we go. 735 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about some some early round movers rounds 736 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: one through five in Best Ball Draft. Now, I picked 737 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: guys who have moved over the last week, so from 738 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: Monday to Monday called June third to June tenth, we'll 739 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: talk about, you know, some of those guys who have 740 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: made the biggest jumps, rises or falls, and whether or 741 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: not you would draft them at their current ADPs. 742 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 2: So start with CJ. Stroud. 743 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: He is currently at fifty three point seven, has moved 744 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: and half spots down. He has fallen six and a 745 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: half spots in the past week or so look, fifty 746 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: three point seven, Lakwan, you're talking about getting him in 747 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: the fifth round at this point, are you okay smash 748 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: or pass at that ADP. 749 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 5: I'll smash there. I think that's a great value where 750 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 5: you can get him. Mat I honestly have him as 751 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 5: my top five, you know, quarterback this season. So if 752 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 5: he's in the fifth round, he's dropping down you know spots, 753 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 5: I'm gonna take him. I think, honestly, what's happening is 754 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 5: his guys are getting pushed up because of the pre 755 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 5: camp hype, and I think, you know, all right, I'll 756 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 5: take the guy that I want anyway. 757 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: I mean, is that is that where you're at with him? 758 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: I know, Florida, you do like CJ. Stroud fifty three? 759 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: You know, fifty third pick? Are you okay with it there? 760 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: I'm okay with it, But I'm gonna pass because he's 761 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 3: going right around where Anthony Richardson is going. 762 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 4: And I'd rather Anthony Richardson because I think. 763 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 3: The the upside is like he's a video game cheat 764 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 3: code at playing quarterback. I think he has the capability 765 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: of just completely breaking Fantasy Football in the next couple 766 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: of years. But then after that like to me, c J. 767 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 3: Stroud is very similar to Joe Burrow. Neither of them 768 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 3: run a lot. They both have high powered offenses. I 769 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: understand that Stroud doesn't have the injury concerns as Burrow, 770 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 3: but I could wait multiple rounds and get like a 771 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 3: round or two and get Joe Burrow. I could wait 772 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 3: multiple rounds and get Kyler Murray or Dak Prescott. To me, 773 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 3: these guys are all in the same tier. Stroud is 774 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 3: the highest that I have ranked of this group. But 775 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 3: if I could get a three four round discount and 776 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 3: still get a quarterback in the same tier, That's what 777 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. 778 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it's funny too. I think I think 779 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: what you said is gonna be a big litmus test 780 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: for people is how do you feel about C. J. 781 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: Stroud versus Anthony Richardson. They both have potentially similar ceilings. 782 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: How they go. 783 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: About it is going to be very very different. I 784 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: think it really does feel. 785 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: It really does determine how you feel about each guy, 786 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: whether or not you're gonna make that move, or which 787 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: guy you're gonna take right around that same time. I 788 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: would probably tend to be PASSI just because I tend 789 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: to lean more to the Anthony Richardson side. No fault 790 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: on anybody who's taking CJ. Stroud at that point, Like, 791 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: I have no issue with it. What's a way, I 792 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: just have been more toward Richardson in drafts. 793 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: That's it. James Cook. 794 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: He is down six point four spots to fifty five 795 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: point one, So Florio Smasher pass on the bills number 796 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: one running back at that spot. 797 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 3: I might surprise you guys, but I don't think I 798 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: have a single James Cook share yet. And last summer 799 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 3: I was one of the very vocal supporters of James 800 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 3: from like the moment his rookie year ended. I was like, 801 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 3: James Cook is someone that you should be all about 802 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 3: drafting in fantasy. And it ain't through last year, but 803 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 3: I think that the Bills looked at it and they 804 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 3: were like, Cook was really good down the stretch when 805 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 3: we used him, but after that, remember after that Cowboys 806 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 3: game when he had all of that work, he did 807 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 3: kind of slow down. And I think they want to 808 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 3: get a second running back utilized here. And I think 809 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 3: Ray Davis is a bigger threat to not only take 810 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: away vital like touches near the goal line and shortyard jusage. 811 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 3: But he's a good pass catching back as well, so 812 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 3: he could take full drives away from James Cook. Plus, 813 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 3: as much as I hated the usage last year, like 814 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 3: the Bills just didn't really trust James Cook a whole 815 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 3: lot near the goal line. So if his touchdown upside 816 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 3: is capped, that you're taking him as a low end 817 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 3: RB two, high end up sorry, low end RB one, 818 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 3: high end RB two. That's kind of what his ceiling 819 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 3: is if the touchdowns capped. So I have been passing unfortunately, 820 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,959 Speaker 3: Oh my guy, Jimmy Cook. 821 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: All right, So Florio's not in on James Cook. Are 822 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 2: you in LQ? 823 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 4: No? 824 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 5: I am not in just based on the magic name 825 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 5: he said, Ray Davis. Man, this guy has his head 826 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 5: on the swivel. Great in the passing game, and I 827 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 5: think he's gonna be a huge factor in that red 828 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 5: zone to where you're gonna be getting James Cook. You know, 829 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 5: in those early rounds, you're not gonna be very happy. 830 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 5: You know, what you pay for him and versus what 831 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 5: your expectations were for him. I mean, honestly, you have 832 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 5: to look at the value that you can get in 833 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 5: two rounds later, at that running back position rather than 834 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 5: taking the risk here with a guy with like James Cook, 835 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 5: who's gonna be very limited for your team. 836 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, the name you guys mentioned is the name that 837 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 2: I was thinking about. It was Ray Davis. 838 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: There just this feels a little bit too too spicy 839 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: for me to get James Cook. Now, if he falls 840 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: another you know, four or five spots, then maybe we 841 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: can talk about it again. But right now I can't. 842 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,479 Speaker 1: I can't quite do that. Over to Green Bay. Josh 843 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: Jacobs is thirty nine point two. He has fallen six 844 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: point nine six point two spots rather in the last 845 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: week or so, I mean, lak On, I've been hearing 846 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: more and more about Marshawn Lloyd over the last couple 847 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: of weeks. So inside the top forty picks, smash or 848 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: pass on Josh Jacobs. 849 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 5: I'm gonna pass. I mean, I'm a little worried about 850 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 5: his injury history. I'm a little worried about Marshon Lloyd 851 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 5: as well, how he's being talked up so early. And 852 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 5: I honestly think that, you know, they look at Josh 853 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 5: Jacobs as a workhorse, and I think they're gonna run him. 854 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 5: But I'm not quite sure if I can take him 855 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 5: in those early rounds just based on how I've been 856 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 5: approaching drafts as of late, Like I haven't been going 857 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 5: very hard on running backs in the early rounds. I've 858 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,919 Speaker 5: kind of just been waiting until that fifth sixth round 859 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 5: with the six seven to even try to get an 860 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 5: RB that's going to be able to put up fantasy 861 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 5: points in my games. 862 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: I mean, Floria, do you believe Josh Jacobs is going 863 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: to get the same level of attention in Green Bay 864 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: that he did in Las Vegas? 865 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,760 Speaker 2: Is that worth taking him inside the top forty? 866 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 4: I think early on he will. 867 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 3: I think they paid him a lot of money, especially 868 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 3: for this year, so I think early on he is 869 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 3: going to be force fed the ball. And my thinking 870 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 3: originally was like the Packers have always had two running 871 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 3: backs largely because they kind of had to, and Josh 872 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 3: Jacobs bring could be what aj Dillon and Aaron Jones 873 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 3: kind of gave them individually, all in one package. But 874 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 3: the reason I'm passing on Josh Jacobs is because he 875 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,280 Speaker 3: might just be dust at this point. Like last year 876 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 3: he had the fewest Fantasy points per game over expectation, 877 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 3: and he he was I had him on a couple 878 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 3: of teams last year, he was really struggling despite having 879 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 3: a stranglehold on the volume in that backfield and getting 880 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 3: close to twenty touches a game every game, and he 881 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,959 Speaker 3: was still struggling to produce that. So not getting really 882 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 3: any discount on him from what we were paying last 883 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 3: season for him. It's just it's scary for me and 884 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 3: this range. I know this is still we're talking like 885 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 3: third fourth round for some For these running backs, I 886 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 3: think that this is where the dead zone is this year, 887 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 3: because they're all attractive names that you could sell yourself 888 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 3: a story like this guy could easily be top five, 889 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 3: top ten, but there's so much risk with these guys. 890 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 3: So to me, I'd rather wait till like seventh eighth 891 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 3: round before I start taking my running backs. 892 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this is a good spot to 893 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 2: get wide. 894 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: Receivers right in these these rounds here, you know, or 895 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: if you decide you want to pivot and maybe get 896 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: a quarterback or a tight end, I think you can 897 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: do that in that situation, But I'm kind of nervous 898 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: about the running backs there. Rashad White fifty six point eight. 899 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: He's down five point eight spots Lakwan. Are we okay 900 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,839 Speaker 1: with Rashad White right there? Uh? 901 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 5: Again, it's a little bit high for me. It's a 902 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 5: bit high for me to be getting these running backs. 903 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 5: But I would feel a lot safer if I do 904 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 5: take him, being that, I don't think Bucky Irvin is 905 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 5: a huge factor there, more so of a Marshawn Lloyd 906 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 5: you know behind him or stuff like that. I think 907 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 5: more so, you know, Rashad White, you're banking on that 908 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 5: he sees as many targets, which I don't think will 909 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 5: happen again, but he will get his fair share of 910 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 5: that workload to where you could be okay with him 911 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,719 Speaker 5: as your RB two. 912 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: I mean, last year, Florial, part of what made Rashad 913 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: White valuable in fantasy is that they stopped handing the 914 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,799 Speaker 1: ball to him as much and they started throwing it 915 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: to him as much. 916 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 2: Do we think we can count on that? You know? 917 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 2: And that does that make you feel better about his adp. 918 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 4: Uh No, I have not been taking Rashad White. 919 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 3: Look, if he continues to get the targets, then yeah, 920 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 3: then he'll be in RB one, probably low end, but 921 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 3: you're that's what you're paying for him right now? So 922 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 3: I feel like you're paying for close to the ceiling. 923 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 3: Last season, like, yeah, it's all him, CMC, Breese Hall 924 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,280 Speaker 3: were the only running backs only players with five hundred 925 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 3: rush and receive yards, but he had the fewest rush 926 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 3: yards over expectation he had. He was largely propped up 927 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 3: by touchdowns as well, eight touchdowns in the second half 928 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 3: of the season. And if maybe if they kept the 929 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 3: same OC, I'd have less concerns. But now you're changing 930 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 3: your play caller there as well. We already know as 931 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 3: good of a pass catcher as he is, he is 932 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 3: one of the least effective runners at the position. So uh, 933 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 3: I'm concerned, and I do think, like, while I'm not 934 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 3: scared because of Bucky Irving, i do believe that he 935 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 3: is a bigger threat than Sean Tucker was. Like there 936 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 3: was no one behind with Shod White last year that 937 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 3: they had no choice but to find ways to get 938 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 3: this guy the ball and let him do his things. 939 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 3: So I've never been the biggest with Shod White fan. 940 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 3: People who watched like this last season and Fantasy Live 941 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 3: know that, But I just think there's there's a lot 942 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 3: of risk that could make this go very wrong. So again, 943 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,760 Speaker 3: to me, this is the dead zone where I'm avoiding 944 00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 3: all these running. 945 00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:59,880 Speaker 2: Backs that go. 946 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: I just had this feeling that years from now, we're 947 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna look back and be like, you know, like last 948 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: year was the peak of Rashad White, right, that he's 949 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: just never gonna come close to anything like that. The yeah, 950 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, nine total touchdowns, fifteen hundred scrimmage yards, like, 951 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel like he's gonna get close to 952 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,759 Speaker 1: that ever again. 953 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 5: All right, think, oh yeah, go ahead, I was gonna 954 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 5: add I think a lot of that had to do 955 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,320 Speaker 5: with Chris Godwin, you know, not playing primarily in the slot. 956 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 5: That offense just wasn't what it used to be of 957 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 5: where he was used to, so those targets and dump 958 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 5: balls had to go somewhere. 959 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: All right, this one is gonna be directed at you, 960 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: Lakwan at least first. Kyron Williams down five point six 961 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: spots to twenty four point six, which means he was 962 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 1: going inside the top twenty yeah originally. Now he's still 963 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: inside the top twenty five, just barely. 964 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 2: It's sort of before that dead zone. 965 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: A ram are you are you gonna smash your pass 966 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: inside the top twenty five for I. 967 00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 5: Williams I'm so torn. I'm like in the on the 968 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 5: fan with it. Like there's some leagues I have exposure 969 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 5: where I'm taking in that second and third round, and 970 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,479 Speaker 5: then there's some leagues where I'm like, I'm just gonna 971 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,279 Speaker 5: stick my guns and just put at the running back 972 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 5: because the injury history, the injury bug on his jacket 973 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 5: is always gonna worry me every single week. I'm gonna 974 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,560 Speaker 5: be holding my breath. And you have a threat back 975 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 5: there like Blake Korm who can really, really, you know, 976 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 5: excel in that red zone. So might see the dip 977 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 5: off in the touchdowns, you might see a dip off 978 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 5: in his usage, just to keep him healthy for a 979 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 5: season long. I know Sean McVay has been chasing this 980 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 5: one two punch for years now with cam Makers, drell Anderson. 981 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 5: You know, Malcolm Brown was even involved in that backfield 982 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 5: as well, trying to be that one to two punch. 983 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 5: And I honestly think people are not accounting how good 984 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 5: Blake Korm was last year. And he's a touchdown scorer 985 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 5: and he's a touchdown getter, so I think a lot 986 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 5: of people need to be hesitant of taking him. So 987 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 5: I'm going to pass all right. 988 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: I mean, for you, Floria, ask William's falling an over, 989 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: does they need to fall a little bit more. 990 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 3: He's getting pretty close to the point where I'm perfectly 991 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 3: fine taking him. Like the only running back that goes 992 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 3: after him that I would like to see them flip 993 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 3: is Derek Henry, because Derek Henry in round three is 994 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 3: an auto draft for me right now. But Kien Williams 995 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 3: is getting pretty close to that range where Henry's going, 996 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 3: And well, I agree with everything Lakwan said. It's like, 997 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 3: at some point this guy's gonna fall further enough where 998 00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,439 Speaker 3: we're like he was the RB two last year once 999 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 3: he took over, and he was legitimately putting up CMC 1000 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 3: type numbers for a good stretch of that run. I 1001 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,239 Speaker 3: still trust. I don't trust mcveagy usage wise with running backs, 1002 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 3: but I do trust that McVeigh will get the most 1003 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 3: out of the running game for the Rams. I trust 1004 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 3: that this offense, as long as Stafford stays healthy, will 1005 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 3: be one of the better offenses in football. So I'm 1006 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 3: the further he falls, the more I'm coming back in 1007 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 3: on Kien Williams. That being said, though, I do think 1008 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 3: if you take Williams Blake Korum is a handcuff that 1009 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 3: you have to pair with him. Some backfields don't have one. 1010 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 3: The rams very much so do so if I can 1011 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 3: get the two of them, and the. 1012 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 4: Thing is where Korum's going is not. 1013 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,839 Speaker 3: Like it's insanely expensive, so you very much so can 1014 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 3: get those two guys together and then you have your 1015 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 3: base is covered. 1016 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: I think we're at a spot where I'm a lot 1017 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: more comfortable with Kien Williams in the top twenty. 1018 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 2: I don't think I could have made the move. 1019 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: I think as we get closer to twenty five, and 1020 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: if he somehow falls beyond that, then I'm absolutely all 1021 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: in on it, mostly because of what you guys said. 1022 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: Blake Koram is the guy that I'm concerned about. Korum 1023 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 1: I've been drafting a lot of because I think I 1024 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,239 Speaker 1: think he's gonna have. 1025 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 2: A role anyway. 1026 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,760 Speaker 1: And then if something were to happen to Kieren Williams 1027 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,840 Speaker 1: and he steps in and gets a whole lot more touches, 1028 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,440 Speaker 1: So if Williams tumbles a few more spots than I'm 1029 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: one hundred percent on. But even now at it almost 1030 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: you know, pick twenty five, I'm a lot more comfortable 1031 00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: than I was say about a month ago about him 1032 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 1: last one, because I want to get somebody in there 1033 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: who's moving the other way. Kamaria Cooper has moved up 1034 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 1: nearly five spots four point eight spots to forty six 1035 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,800 Speaker 1: point nine Florida. 1036 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 2: I know in the past you have been a big 1037 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 2: Amari Cooper guy. Are you and Amari Cooper guy right now? 1038 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,399 Speaker 4: Yes? 1039 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 3: One hundred percent in because I don't understand why people 1040 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 3: are insist on pushing this guy down. In his last 1041 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 3: six seasons, five of the six of them he has 1042 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 3: been a top twenty wide receiver in total fantasy points, 1043 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 3: and five of six of them he's been top twenty 1044 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 3: four in points per game. His ADP is going outside 1045 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 3: of the top twenty four wide receivers, now closer to 1046 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 3: thirty than it is to twenty four. And then his 1047 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 3: numbers also last season were kind of thrown off a 1048 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 3: bit by the games where Joe Flacco and Deshaun Watson 1049 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,719 Speaker 3: didn't start. Remember the Browns were throwing out XFL quarterbacks 1050 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 3: with join a blank on the quarterbacks name. 1051 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,439 Speaker 4: But those games were bad. 1052 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 3: But with Watson or Flacco, he averaged eighteen point four 1053 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 3: fantasy points per game, that would have been wide receiver six. 1054 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 3: You're getting this guy outside of the top twenty five 1055 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 3: wide receivers. He's one of the most consistent guys year 1056 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 3: in and year out. He's going to be the number 1057 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 3: one target again for the Browns. Yeah, I'm firmly in 1058 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 3: and I don't know why he continues to get disrespected. 1059 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,720 Speaker 2: Dorian Thompson Robbins and that's it. PJ. Walker, Jeff Driscoll, 1060 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 2: take your pick. All those guys, Yeah, started bad, bad, 1061 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 2: bad all started. 1062 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,279 Speaker 1: They all started a bad, bad, not good, which is 1063 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,080 Speaker 1: a great band, by the way. I mean, uh, lakwana, 1064 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 1: Are you cool with Mariy Cooper at forty six point 1065 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,479 Speaker 1: nine or somewhere around there. 1066 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 1067 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 5: I mean he's one of those most disrespected ADP guys 1068 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 5: and ends up out performing his ADP. And we know 1069 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 5: that they're going to be passing a ball a ton. 1070 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 5: I mean, they don't have Nick Chubb healthy back there, 1071 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 5: so those targets, and they're going to be a very 1072 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,880 Speaker 5: pass heavy offense with the solid defense as well. So 1073 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be an efficient offense. You know, 1074 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,680 Speaker 5: you hope Deshaun Watson takes a step forward, But I 1075 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 5: think of Mariy Cooper's that always been a great wide 1076 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 5: receiver two for my roster. So every time I see 1077 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:46,879 Speaker 5: him there, I'm just gonna take him. 1078 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like he is again he's 1079 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,319 Speaker 1: the guy that we know we can count on in 1080 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 1: that offense, and I'm hoping that. Yeah, it would be 1081 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: great to see Deshaun Watson take a big step forward, 1082 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: But I just need Deshaun Watson to not be awful, 1083 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: and I think he can sort of pay off at 1084 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,600 Speaker 1: that price. Stay healthy, yeah, stay, that's it. Just you know, 1085 00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,760 Speaker 1: Watson stays healthy, Cooper stays healthy. As long as Watson 1086 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: is not an absolute disaster under center, than I think 1087 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 1: Amari Cooper is worth having at that price. 1088 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 2: So I see why he has moved up. 1089 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: I would like for that to sort of plateau, Like 1090 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: I don't want to see him move up too much more, 1091 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: but right there at about forty six forty seven, I'm 1092 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: okay to make that happen. 1093 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 2: There there you go. That was driving or draft. 1094 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,840 Speaker 3: Okay, as long as someone doesn't take out his quarterback 1095 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,399 Speaker 3: in his celebrity softball game. 1096 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah that part, let's let's hope you avoid that anyway. 1097 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: That was drive your draft presented by the all new 1098 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: hybrid Toyota Camry. 1099 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 2: Whatever your vibe, it's a Camra vibe. Learn more at 1100 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,360 Speaker 2: Toyota dot com slash cambri. Are you guys on the 1101 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,080 Speaker 2: clock in any any any Best Ball drafts right now? 1102 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 4: No? 1103 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: I am no, Let's see, let me let me look. 1104 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,960 Speaker 1: I am on and now it's gonna take forever for 1105 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: me to load this up. As I'm saying here, trying 1106 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: to do this be sort of clever. Yeah, I am 1107 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,239 Speaker 1: on the clock right now with the Let's see, I've 1108 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 1: got the nineteenth overall pick I have already taken Bejon Robinson. 1109 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: I got him at number six. Weirdly enough. I mean, 1110 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: that's kind of amazing to me. So I'm gonna come 1111 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: back and I am going to take I'm gonna take 1112 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: my shot at Nicocollins. Oh, they're pick number nineteen. There 1113 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,280 Speaker 1: he is, Lock it in, Lock it in, Nico Collins 1114 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: at number nineteen and a Best Ball draft. 1115 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 2: There you go. 1116 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 1: That was just live a drafting for you here on 1117 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: the show. And that's a good spot for us to 1118 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: take a pause for a little bit. We're back with you, 1119 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,840 Speaker 1: of course on Thursday for the cheat sheets. Are we 1120 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,439 Speaker 1: talking god Zilla minus one this week? Have you yes yet? 1121 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,560 Speaker 1: Have you wait? We got to make sure Florio's watched 1122 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: it first before we I. 1123 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 4: Haven't, but I'm going to this afternoon, all. 1124 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 2: Right, there we go. 1125 00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 1: So then we will talk some god Zilla minus one 1126 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: on the fantasy cheat sheet. We'll talk some other football 1127 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 1: stuff too, but that's not you know why we do 1128 00:49:59,239 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 1: the show. 1129 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 2: In the meantime. 1130 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,920 Speaker 1: Thanks to Susie for putting the show together as always, 1131 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: for Florio for the quand I am Marcus. That'll do 1132 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,280 Speaker 1: it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. 1133 00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,800 Speaker 1: Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good and live well. 1134 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,279 Speaker 1: Enjoy the week, everybody. We'll talk to you again real soon.