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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two eight

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Speaker 1: In Today in the show, I'm joined by Terry Dury

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Speaker 1: of Drewy Outdoors to discuss the dream scenario of buying

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Speaker 1: and building your own piece of white tail paradise. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the wire Hunt Podcast, brought to you by Onyx,

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Speaker 1: and We've got a good one for you today. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna beat around the bush. I gotta believe

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Speaker 1: that most of you are familiar with Terry Dury, uh

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Speaker 1: for for many reasons, but maybe one of those being

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Speaker 1: the fact that I did a podcast with him and

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Speaker 1: the juries for several years that would Percent Wild Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and he's been on this show in the past two

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Speaker 1: But if you're not familiar with Terry, he is one

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Speaker 1: of the co founders of Drewry Outdoors, which is one

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Speaker 1: of the most successful media companies in the hunting space,

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Speaker 1: and the host of many many different shows and videos

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Speaker 1: over the years, and most important, probably everyone listening, he's

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Speaker 1: a very experienced and successful white tail hunter and property manager.

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Speaker 1: Terry has owned and improved and managed many different white

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Speaker 1: tailed properties over the years, and he's killed a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of big, mature bucks because of that. So today,

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Speaker 1: of the many different things we could talk about with

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Speaker 1: a guy like Terry, we're going to focus just on

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Speaker 1: this aspect of land. You know, a lot of us,

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Speaker 1: including myself, dream of someday owning a deer hunting property,

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Speaker 1: and Terry has lived that dream. But he started out

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Speaker 1: very modestly. You know, he got a very small property start,

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Speaker 1: and he slowly built his way up over the years

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Speaker 1: to now having a great, big, really well managed property.

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Speaker 1: So today we're gonna talk to him about, you know,

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Speaker 1: how any one of us can start that process of

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Speaker 1: finding and maybe owning some hunting ground and then building

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Speaker 1: that into something pretty special. That is our topic for today.

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Speaker 1: On top of all that, Terry also shares us the

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Speaker 1: details of a pretty insane giveaway actually that they're doing

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Speaker 1: over a jury outdoors in which they're literally giving way

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Speaker 1: a farm. Like literally they're giving a hunting property away

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Speaker 1: to one of you guys or gals or to one

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Speaker 1: of the other thousands of fans across the country. So

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Speaker 1: you definitely don't want to miss out in the details

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Speaker 1: of how to get on that one. It's pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: So with all that out of the way, we don't

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Speaker 1: have a pregame show today, so without further ado, I

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Speaker 1: think we should just get to chatting with Terry Drewy.

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Speaker 1: All right with me now on the line a repeat

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Speaker 1: guest that I'm excited to have here. We've got Terry Drewy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Terry, Hey, Mark, how we doing.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be back. Yeah, I'm doing well. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that we can be chatting again. I miss our

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Speaker 1: frequent conversations when we're doing on Wild so this is

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Speaker 1: this is nice to get to catch up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I know you kept Matt on the straight and narrow,

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Speaker 1: and now we're now marking our face with that tap.

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Speaker 1: That's no easy task. But no, it's not. It does

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Speaker 1: seem that he's up to some good work because he

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Speaker 1: was telling me the other day about a very interesting

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Speaker 1: new initiative of sorts you guys are working on, which

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Speaker 1: having this podcast, which is today. Mainly what I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about Terry is talking all through different ideas

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Speaker 1: how to take a property and turn it into just

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Speaker 1: give somebody a farm. Is that is that true? Terry?

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Speaker 1: It seems kind of unbelievable. Um, is that true? And

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Speaker 1: can you talk to me a little bit about about

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Speaker 1: what you guys are doing and why? Well? I think

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Speaker 1: that is the probably the maybe the feeling that everybody

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Speaker 1: it's too good to be true. But in this particular scenario,

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Speaker 1: it's Uh, it is the truth and its reality. We're

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Speaker 1: Matt and Taylor. We wanted to say thank you. We're

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Speaker 1: celebrating our thirtieth year being in in the outdoor industry

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Speaker 1: So some lucky winner is gonna end up with that

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Speaker 1: to come. So so number one, am I ineligible to

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Speaker 1: to apply to win this farm, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: don't know you have to read our terms of service. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll check that out. And and number two, Um, how

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Speaker 1: can other people enter to to win this farm? How

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Speaker 1: does that all work? Well? They can go, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: into either Google Play or the app store and are

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Speaker 1: the are you know, the download download the deer cast app.

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Speaker 1: It's a free app that they can download on either

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Speaker 1: an iPhone or on an Android. And all you gotta

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Speaker 1: do is go into Google Player the play Store, download

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Speaker 1: information in there that gets you to the spot where

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Speaker 1: you can download. Uh this entry form, it's very very simple.

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Speaker 1: You have to log in and give an email address

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Speaker 1: able to contact you somehow. So they put their email

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Speaker 1: automatically entered to win whenever they enroll or subscribe to

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Speaker 1: dear Cast. So in addition, in addition to that giveaway

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Speaker 1: the same thing. There'll be an email it's randomly drawn

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Speaker 1: they will find out that they've wanted a great, great

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Speaker 1: each and every month up until the grand prize there

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Speaker 1: in December. Wow. Yeah, I actually did go and mess

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Speaker 1: speaking here, This isn't any kind of promotion, this is

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Speaker 1: just I honestly found it useful this past year. I

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you guys continue to surprise and impress me. Terry.

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Speaker 1: I'm I've got all sorts of works you to try

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Speaker 1: to keep up with the great work you guys are doing. Well.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're just a couple of rednecks that like

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Speaker 1: we Uh, it's been a learning curve, I'll be quite

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Speaker 1: think the bill was for an excess of of the

431
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Speaker 1: CRP contracts. So there's a number of different ways to

432
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: look at it and to where you can get a

433
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: positive cash flow, meaning to where the income that you're

434
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: generating will service the debt. And that's really what you're

435
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: concerned with, is, okay, the interest on this loan. How

436
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: can I do that and still be able to make

437
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: the payments? You know if interest rates would happen to

438
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,919
Speaker 1: go up, So you really got to analyze it. You've

439
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: gotta be smart. It doesn't cost anything to look and

440
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: if a guy is really really smart, if it takes

441
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: him six months, eight months, a year, eighteen months, however long,

442
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: if he gets a piece in his crawl and he says,

443
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I can get this thing to where

444
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 1: it's cash flow positive. It's got a little bit of

445
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: income from the tillable, It's got a little bit of

446
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: timber on it that I could maybe log off and

447
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: get a little income there. It's got maybe uh, the

448
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: ability to to lease out one gun hunt or something

449
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: per year for a buddy and and possibly use that revenue.

450
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: All of that, you can figure out how it will

451
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: service the debt on a monthly basis, and then uh,

452
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: and then you're then you're worried about trying to make

453
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 1: the equity payments yourself. But you give up, you make

454
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 1: sacrifices and those things that you're your customed to, you know,

455
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: maybe that cruise that you go on, or that trip

456
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: to to the breck and Ridge or whatever it may be.

457
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,679
Speaker 1: You've got to give up a few things. But then

458
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you got the dirt

459
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: to uh to keep for the rest of your life

460
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: and your family to enjoy. Yeah. So, if if you're

461
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: going to go into in that kind of with that

462
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of goal, the goal of starting small, flipping it

463
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 1: and slowly working your way up, is there anything in

464
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: particular other than the things you already mentioned. Is there

465
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: anything else that you look for in particular when you're

466
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: trying to find a flip type property, like something that's

467
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: you can get for a pretty cheap price, but there's

468
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: the potential to turn it to something with a profit.

469
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: Anything that stands out to you that you're looking for

470
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: for that scenario, check what's around you. You gotta know

471
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: your neighbors. You've got to be very very uh in

472
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 1: tune with what they're doing. And if they're on on

473
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: track and they're you know, managing a particular area and

474
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: there's maybe decent tillable fields and there's decent timber in

475
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: and around, make sure you understand what that market will bear.

476
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: You know, how much are they getting per acre on

477
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: the tillable how much is the c RP income if

478
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: it has the RP income, and you know, at least

479
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: be analytical about it, be smart about it. It's not

480
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 1: something you want to rush into. It's something that you

481
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: want to take your time. Build your own spreadsheet. You know,

482
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: if it takes you, you know, two or three weeks

483
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: to build a spreadsheet and analyze every little detail. Uh,

484
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: just be analytical. You know, there's there's a thing called

485
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: due diligence. We've all heard about that. Be very diligent

486
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: in in your efforts to make sure that you cover

487
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: all your bases and you don't miss anything. But I

488
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: would certainly try and find out what's going around going

489
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: on around you, and then look at historical records as

490
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: far as the uh, you know, what's that that property

491
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: done over the years, take the last twenty five thirty

492
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: years or maybe even go back further than that, and

493
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: see what kind of history you've had there. And you

494
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: can check those public records, you know, at the assess

495
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: or the county courthouse, or you may go to a realator.

496
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: You can contact a realtor. Some of them are gonna

497
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 1: be really really uh in tune with recreational properties. Some

498
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: of them maybe not. If it's a residential you know,

499
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: real estate agent, they may not be is aware of

500
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. So make sure you you do

501
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: your due diligence on that end to find out exactly

502
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: what's available and make sure that you're hooked up with

503
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: a real estate agent that knows. You know, there's guys

504
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: out there like White Till properties. Those guys know what

505
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,239
Speaker 1: they're doing, they know the business. Uh. They've got some

506
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 1: tremendous agents that that are all hunters and those are

507
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: the guys you want to talk to, and just knowing

508
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: what type of gear have been killed in that area,

509
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, as it have they've been killed, want someone

510
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: seventies and two hundies and that sort of thing, or

511
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: the genetics there than by all means you're gonna look

512
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: a little harder at those types of areas. Yeah, Now

513
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: something else, um, I imagine when you're trying to find

514
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: a small property to get started with. Is um something

515
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: I heard Maybe it was Mark talk about or maybe

516
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: I can't remember when it came to this specific farm,

517
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: the sixty acre farm. You guys have a couple of

518
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: videos on the Deercast app where you you do a

519
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: tour of the property and one of you mentioned that, yeah,

520
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: it's it's only sixty acres, but it feels like twenty.

521
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: It hunts like a hundred and twenty. It's a small

522
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: piece that just seems much larger. What about a small

523
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: property might lend itself to to feeling larger, hunting larger?

524
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: What kind of things do we look for to try

525
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: to find that small piece that actually feels bigger. I

526
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: think because that piece was diverse in its cover and topographically,

527
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: there was a little bit of elevation change from the

528
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: ridges down to the bottom. So when you walk in

529
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: there and you go, oh my god, this thing is huge,

530
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: and you it just felt bigger. But I think that

531
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: topographic change from the top down to the bottom elevation

532
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: change might have been you know, a hundred and twenty

533
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: ft hundred fifty and it may be in less than that.

534
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: We didn't shoot it. But then again, there was such

535
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: diverse uh selection of cover. You know, there receivers and

536
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: brush and briers and those tickets that you look for,

537
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: and then when you get into this bottom field, it

538
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: was just rather open and immediately we're going, okay, there's

539
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: our food plot right here. It's a no brainer. And

540
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: then there was a pond just above that, and then

541
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: you go above that and there's a hardwood ridge and

542
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: it it gave us every every single thing we would

543
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: be looking for on a parcel that that we wanted,

544
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: and then when we walked it, it just seemed like

545
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: it was bigger than sixty acres. And uh, I think

546
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: that's why because of diverse, uh selection of of cover

547
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: and then also the topographic changes in elevation. Yeah, so

548
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: when you guys got there on the farm, um, or

549
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: or any other new spot that you have like this,

550
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: whether it be a new lease or a new property

551
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: just bought. Can you can you share what your first

552
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: steps are as far as like, how do you start

553
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of servying the farm to decide, Okay, this is

554
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: what we have, this is what we need. These are

555
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: the first things we want to do. Can you kind

556
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: of walk me through your mindset and what that that

557
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: first step might be as you start to kind of

558
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: take inventor of what the situation is right out the gate. Well,

559
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: I don't think we're we're any different than every other

560
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, true blue, red blooded hunter. When we walk

561
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: in there, if our eyes pop open and we go,

562
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, then we know we've hit the mutherload.

563
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: It's like, this is this is where a deer should live,

564
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: This is where deer should travel, This is where deer

565
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: is gonna want to be. And then okay, how can

566
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: we make it fit to where we can get in

567
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: and out of here without running them out? That's the

568
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: biggest I think one of the biggest detriments that I

569
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: see are people spending a lot of time on their

570
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: parcel and sometimes pushing out the deer that they're trying

571
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: to hunt. So the next thing we look at is, okay,

572
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: do we have access and on what wind direction? You know,

573
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: what's the prevailing wind for this particular area. And then

574
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: how can we get in here without running deer out? Well,

575
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: this parcel that we the sixty acres had that it

576
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: had access on on several sides, and we were like, okay,

577
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: that gets us in here. Now where are we going

578
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: to put the food we wanted it? It felt like

579
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: when we walked in there, you know, there was a sign,

580
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: there was rubs, there was tracks, and and there was

581
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: everything that that we were looking for, but it wasn't

582
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: like you know, it wasn't tracked up or hugged up

583
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: like we wanted. And that might have had something to

584
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: do with the fact that there wasn't food on it.

585
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: So that was the next thing. Okay, we're we gonna

586
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: place these food plots so that we can still get

587
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: in here without running them out, and so that we

588
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: can access it from different wind directions. And then where

589
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: is the uh, where's the most sense make to where

590
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: we can we call it food plot architecture where we

591
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: can pick the tree or pick the set and then

592
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: plant the food plot accordingly, and we did just that.

593
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: We walk it and we look at it. We look

594
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: at trails, we look at tracks, we look at rubs.

595
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: Look it's grapes, and then say, okay, where's he betting?

596
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: And then where's he going? Is he going across the road?

597
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: Is he staying internally here? Is he going to deeper timber?

598
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Is he going to a food source? You know? Where

599
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: are they going? Morning? And we're one evening, so we're

600
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: we're very analytical. But our first impression, our gut feeling

601
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: when we walk into a piece is really not too

602
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: indifferent from what most other hunters would have. And that's

603
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: when our eyes pop open and go, oh god, this

604
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: is the spot. And that's the feeling that we got

605
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: when we walked into that sixties. Yeah, that's a good

606
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: feeling when you're starting out on a new farm. Is

607
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: food always the thing you prioritize first? Or do you

608
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: go and look and see, Okay, where are my weak spots?

609
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: And maybe in some cases I need more cover or

610
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: sometimes it's food, or I'm kind of curious about how

611
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: you prioritize it. What projects need to be done first?

612
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, I think when you look at it and

613
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: you say, all right, is there is there a lot

614
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: of sign and the deer are already living there? How

615
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: much food do I need to plant? More would I plant?

616
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Or when you walk into a spot and you say,

617
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: you know what, there's not as much sign here as

618
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: I like, there's not as much try as many tracks

619
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and many rubs and scrapes, is what I prefer? I

620
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: need to put more food in to suck them in here,

621
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, to pull them off on neighbors, and particularly

622
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: if you're uh in and around are close to deep

623
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: timbered spots where there's not a lot of acreage for

624
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: tillable or not a lot of agg in and around

625
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: you there for food, then by all means you want

626
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: to load it up with as much food as you

627
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: can put on it. And sometimes the acidity is so

628
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: high that that becomes a you know, a cumbersome task

629
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: of putting the amount of lime on there that you

630
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: need to put to make sure that you get the

631
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: pH correct. But you know, as far as we're concerned,

632
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: on a on a piece where it's highly timbered, you

633
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: can't hardly put enough food because you're wanting to suck

634
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: some deer off of adjacent pieces to make sure that

635
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: they have that food for the winter, not early not

636
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: just early season, but also middle of the rut and

637
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: light season. And you want to make sure that those

638
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: that are traveling, those those bucks that are traveling, you

639
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: want to make sure that they come in they park

640
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: on that food source for a little while. If you've

641
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: got those that are frequenting that on a daily basis,

642
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: so we really balance it out. If it's got plenty

643
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: of sign on it and and plenty of tracks and

644
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: rubs and scrapes and trails, then it doesn't get as

645
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: heavily planted. But if it's a little more scarce and

646
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: it's not as heavy as you like, then we're going

647
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: to load the food up. How do you make those

648
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: decisions then as far as how to implement food? Um?

649
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: Do you It's that kind of sounds like with a

650
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: sixty acre piece, there were some spots that naturally lent

651
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: themselves to being great locations for food just because they're

652
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: relatively open and they seem to be in the right position. Um.

653
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: But maybe another scenario is like, how are you thinking

654
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: through how much food you need? Specifically? Like if you

655
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: get a sixty acre piece, is it just how we

656
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: want one or two acres, or do you actually get

657
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: as scientific as, Okay, we want ten percent of our

658
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: sixty acres to be in food, so we need six

659
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: acres or I'm kind of curious about how you make

660
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: the decisions decisions around the amount of food and of

661
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: the actual locations of plots, where they where you start

662
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: positioning this stuff within a property. Well, and in answer

663
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: to the question, you know, there are percentages that we

664
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: like to try and reach our goals that we like

665
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: to try and hit where you have that open area

666
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: where you can where you can actually utilize some of

667
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: those open spaces and plant food on this particular parcel.

668
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: And I'll use this one just because it was we

669
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: were so excited about it when we walked in there.

670
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: It had certain areas that were already open and at

671
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: one time I assume they might have had cattle on

672
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: it or something, or they may have hayed these little

673
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: spots and made hay off of them, but they were

674
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: just uh, just lent themselves very well to go ahead

675
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: and put a food plot in because at one time

676
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: they were kept fairly open. It's grown up in and

677
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: around all those edges and there seems to be a

678
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of bedding in and around it. So there

679
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: was nothing magic about the formula per se. But we're

680
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: going to try and plant as much of those open

681
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: areas as we can there as many of those open

682
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: areas as we can, so that we get as much

683
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: food on it as we can possibly cram in there.

684
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: Uh And and those are some things that a guy

685
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: can work on. Two. If he says, you know what,

686
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: they ate everything I planted before October thirtie, then you're going, Okay,

687
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: I need to plant more food next year. Or if

688
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: you've got a little you know, some remnants and you

689
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: still have some food left over, then you're saying, okay,

690
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: I had the right amount of food, but I want

691
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I still want to expand it because I want to

692
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: suck more deer in here. So there's a different way

693
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: of looking at it. One of the things that we

694
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: like to do on our farms is go green to grain,

695
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, and we talked about green to green transfer

696
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: all the time, so that whenever soybeans start defoliating and

697
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: changing and when the carn starts hardening and they're not

698
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: you know, silking them anymore, you want to have a

699
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: green food source in those October months for them to

700
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: go to and we always you know, non typical clover

701
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: clover plus both are biologic products. We plant a lot

702
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: of that on our farms to make sure that we

703
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: can handle that green to green train antsper because they're

704
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna be looking for that green food source once those

705
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: soybeans defoliate and once the corn hardens and and they're

706
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: no longer silking them, so we make sure that's number one. Now,

707
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: if you can back that green food source up against

708
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: a grain like carn and being then more part to you.

709
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: You want to have that green as close and as

710
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: tight into those bedding cover or those bedding areas as

711
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: you possibly can. But you also want to stay cognizant

712
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: of the fact that you still got to get in

713
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: and out of those without bumping them out. So there's

714
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: kind of a science to it, and uh, you really

715
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: want to be careful on wind direction, how you access

716
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: those and where you place your stands. But on a

717
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: small parcel, if you don't have the abilities to go

718
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: in and plant you know, soybeans and or carn, then

719
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: green is so much easier to maintain and whether you

720
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: want to do you know, like a trophy oats or

721
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: winter weed or something. That's always a good one because

722
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: you can plan it late. You don't have to go

723
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: through those summer, those hot, hot, dry, arid summer months.

724
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, you can plant it in there when you're

725
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: expecting some of those fall range to get it to

726
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: German A. But we usually have that clover planet early

727
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: to make sure that we've got both because on a

728
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: parcel this size, it wouldn't have maybe been easy to

729
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: get the implements in there to plant corn and beans,

730
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: and chances are they may have not made anyway because

731
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: they are it is a small parcel. So on something

732
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: like this, we would probably stick with a little more green,

733
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: and we planted in pretty close to their a little

734
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: tight betting areas, because really aren't creating those destination feed fields.

735
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: You know, they're not big twenty acre, thirty acre, hundred

736
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: acre food food sources. Their little bitty pockets there, you know,

737
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: acre and a half two acres, quarter acre, half acre.

738
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: But you want to give them a variety, and you

739
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you can hunt those on

740
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: different wind directions. Yes, so that kind of ties into

741
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: the next thing I'm curious about, which is, you know,

742
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: knowing or I imagine there's a balancing act. You kind

743
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: of alluded to this as far as access when I

744
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: comes to the number of different plots and how many,

745
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: because I could I could foresee a potential situation where

746
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: you have so many different little plots that then you

747
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: have issues with access, issues with wind, issues with knowing

748
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: how dear using it. If you've got one or two

749
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: food plots, you might be able to determine a pretty

750
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: consistent betting area here and betting are there, and they're

751
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: going to one of these two food sources, and you

752
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: can start to really understand that pattern. If you have

753
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: seven little food plots scattered all over the place, I

754
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: could see that being potentially more confusing. Um, how do

755
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: you think through that? Or is that something you don't

756
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: worry about. You just want as much food in there.

757
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: You're not worried about having too much? No, I think

758
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: you're correct. I would worry about that on a small,

759
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: small parcel. You know where it makes sense and where

760
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer. Those are pretty obvious. You you

761
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: would put in two food plots and then uh, just

762
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: start with the historical data. You know, you'd sit there

763
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: and you'd observe for the first fall and then maybe

764
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: even the second fall, and it usually takes us about

765
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: three years to figure it a stop, to really understand

766
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: it and know it because sometimes crop rotation around you

767
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: or mass crop around you may change those patterns. So

768
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: we would study it pretty long and hard before we

769
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: added so much food that it became detrimental. Meaning, uh,

770
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're sitting on one food

771
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: plot and then you're casting your wind over the top

772
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: of another one where your deer might come from, you know,

773
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it becomes detrimental. So we

774
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: would hunt it smart. We'd start on those perimeters and

775
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: make sure that we don't penetrate too far in, particularly

776
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 1: on a small parcel like this one, until the rut

777
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: then maybe you know first you know, uh maybe first

778
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: ten days of November. Then you might pile in a

779
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: little bit harder and go into the maybe into the

780
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: center of it. But I would start on those perimeters

781
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: and do a lot of observation because the m R

782
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: I is is priceless on a new part of parcel

783
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: like that, and we'd have, you know, put as many

784
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: cameras out there as we could could do you know,

785
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: you put three or four cameras in there too. I

786
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: would put them on the perimeters, put them on the

787
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: oscars to where you're not doing a lot of damage

788
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: as you walk in there. Uh, And then maybe you

789
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: kind of tip in and move one in there a

790
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: little bit tighter, so during the rut you could slip

791
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: in there and check it and find out what's going

792
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: on internally. But I would I would be very very

793
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: cautious about the amount of food I planted early on,

794
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: just so that you could get the m r I

795
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: and start collecting that data and then say, you know what,

796
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I can put another food plot down at the end

797
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: of this ridge and I can access it from another direction,

798
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, to where you're not

799
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 1: being detrimental to yourself. Yeah. Yeah, making slow but steady

800
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: progress as you learned that. That makes a lot of sense. Now,

801
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: another thing I hear a lot of people kind of

802
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: debate about on occasion is positioning of your food in

803
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: relation to the borders of your property. I've heard some

804
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: folks advocate for putting your food plots. At least if

805
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: you were going to do like a large feed food plot,

806
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: like your big plot, maybe that would be central, so

807
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: place in the center of your property because that will

808
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: keep dear moving in and staying within daylight hour is

809
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: on your property. And then if you're gonna have some

810
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: smaller kill plots those radiate out from there. Then I've

811
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: heard other people say, no, you wanted the opposite. You

812
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: want your best bedding right in the middle of your property,

813
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: farthest away from other hunters and the outsides. And then

814
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: you want those deer transitioning from the center of your

815
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: property out to maybe little kill plots that you can

816
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: hunt in the transition areas. And then those larger feeding

817
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: areas are those primary food sources. Those would be on

818
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: the very far edges of the outside of your property

819
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: that hopefully they're not hitting those till maybe after dark,

820
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: and then they're not going to your neighbors possibly as

821
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: often until you know, after shooting ours. Uh, do either

822
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: one of those two options, I guess appeal to your

823
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: mindset most or do you what are your thoughts on those?

824
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, those are two totally different mindsets, and we

825
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,479
Speaker 1: hear those as well, you know, we hear them regularly. Uh.

826
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: Grant Woods was one of the first one. Dr Woods

827
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: was one of the first ones that said, you know, hey,

828
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: you want to put your your bedding on the outside

829
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: and put your food source in the middle, and uh

830
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: and in in in certain areas you may want to

831
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: put your just the opposite of that. So I think

832
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: it depends on the size of the piece that you

833
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: have and trying to be realistic with that piece. You know,

834
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: you gotta keep it real and the fact, Okay, if

835
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: you've got twenty acres, are those deer really gonna stay there? Boy,

836
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: that's that's a tough one. The even forty eight acres,

837
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to hold them, even on those

838
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: big parcels. We see it all the time where they

839
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: tip off. You just cannot hold them, you know, in

840
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: certain certain parcels. So I think you have to be

841
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: realistic about will the deer stay there to begin with?

842
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: And and you're gonna do your best to keep them

843
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: by putting as much betting and cover, and you may

844
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: do some hinging, and you may plant switch grass, you

845
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: may do all of those things, and the dog on

846
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: deer will still leave your property. I have it all

847
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: the time. I just I struggle with the and I

848
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because of the subspecies or what.

849
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: But I really had a lot of deer tip over

850
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: the edges, tip over the borders, and I may get

851
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: a picture of them on my south end and then

852
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: a mile and a half away on the north end

853
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: to get other pictures of them. So it's it's that's

854
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: a fine line and a different approach, both different mindsets.

855
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: I think both of them work depending on the size

856
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: of the parcel in you know, kind of the application

857
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: that you're trying to achieve. Yeah, what about you mentioned

858
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: food plot architecture and this kind of this kind of

859
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: all falls in the same category, whether it's where you're

860
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: position your plots or how you actually shape them plan them.

861
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: But I know that you guys have have have been

862
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: working with food plots for a long time now. You've

863
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: taken it far beyond just the basics of find an opening,

864
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: toss some seed, hope something grows. You guys are really

865
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: really fine tuning things. What are some of those next

866
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: level tweaks that you guys are making when it comes

867
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: to your food plot strategy. Um, you you alluded to one,

868
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: which is the fact that and correct me if I

869
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: got this wrong, but you said that many times you'll

870
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: pick the right tree first, and then plan a plot

871
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: around that specific tree. Um, could you expand on that

872
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: or share any other these next level food plot planning things.

873
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: You're doing correct. And and that starts with m R. I.

874
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: And it starts with observation. You know, we may take

875
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: two years or three years and we may watch a

876
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: food plot or a food source or just travel carters

877
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: travel routes and say, okay, those dear feel comfortable being

878
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: right here to begin with, Now, are there any trees

879
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: in that particular area that would serve themselves extremely well

880
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: where we have back covered and yet we can access

881
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: that tree without running them out, and we get the

882
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: proper wind direction that we need to keep dear from

883
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: being down wind. Or they all always coming from one

884
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: direction in the evening? Are they always coming from another

885
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: direction in the morning. So that m R I and

886
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: that historical data kind of tells you where to go

887
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: and where they feel comfortable, because there's certain areas of

888
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: a field where they just won't walk. And and we've

889
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: noticed that throughout the course of time. You may put

890
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: a tree, hang a set in a tree, and go

891
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: dog on. I don't know why they won't come up here.

892
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 1: I've got the food here, but they just won't walk

893
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: over there. There are certain areas in a field where

894
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: they feel extremely comfortable. A lot of them are because

895
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: of visual observation. You know, we always worry about deer

896
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: and their noses, but by ali there still want to

897
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: see what's going on, and there's still a curious animal.

898
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: So getting to certain areas where it may be a

899
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: little bit of advantage point for them, you know, and

900
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: they may come up a big drainage or a crack

901
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: or a gully or a rut or something to get

902
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: to it, but eventually they're going to get to the

903
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: spot where they can see and uh. Sometimes those are

904
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: the areas that you say, all right, they're all comfortable here.

905
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: Now where's the nearest tree that I can pick that

906
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: I can get into and still have the right wind directions.

907
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: And we do that a lot, where we'll pick the

908
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: tree and then we'll plant to that tree, and we'll

909
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: create inside and outside corners with food food plots, whether

910
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: it be corn and beans, or whether it's clover and

911
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: carn or whether it's clover and biologic. But we're gonna

912
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: change it up to where we've either got uh maybe

913
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: an elevation chain with the with the food plot, or

914
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a variety change in what type of

915
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: food plot we're planning there, But we do that quite

916
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: often and create those inside and outside corners because they

917
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: just they just feel more comfortable coming to those particular spots.

918
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: Can you can you elaborate on what you mean by

919
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: that the inside and outside corners and and correct me

920
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, But I think you're saying you would

921
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: position those corners to where your stand would be. Is

922
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: that right? Because you think that that will be the

923
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: most likely point of entry or exit for a deer

924
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: where you'd all get a shop. Absolutely correct. If you

925
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: got let's say standing carn and a lot of guys

926
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: can't do this obviously because you don't have the implements,

927
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: or you may or may not have the acreage or something.

928
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: But if you're in an area where you do have

929
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: the ability to get standing carn, uh, you want to

930
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: make sure that you create that inside corner right there

931
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: to where it butts up. The end of that carn

932
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: butts up to either a clover field, a soybean field,

933
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: a biologic winter bawls and sugar be its maximum uh turnips,

934
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: all of those, all of those elements guard us what

935
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: type of food plot you're planting. It's nice to have

936
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: an inside corner where they're gonna file out and feel

937
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: comfortable coming out, whether they're coming out of the timber

938
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: or whether they're coming out of the carn, they always

939
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: like that edge or that little bit of cover to

940
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: pop out, and we create those on a very very

941
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: frequent basis. And we do just the opposite. We create

942
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: outside corners just like we do inside corners. And it

943
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: may be where some fences come together, you know, it

944
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: may be a spot where two fences come together and

945
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: there's a tree that just happens to be there. We

946
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: do that quite often as well. Then we plant to

947
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: that outside corner accordingly, and uh, they may walk around

948
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: the end of it, they may get to it and

949
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: jump the fence right before they hit the corner, or

950
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: or vice versa. You know, but particularly if it's a

951
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: four strand barbed wire where you see that often, particularly

952
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: where someone had been maybe cattling it for for many

953
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: many years and they no longer have cattle in the

954
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: timber or on that hayground and there's a fence corner there.

955
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: We do that quite frequently as well. Yeah, and this

956
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: is a concept that can help folks whether you're planting

957
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: your own food plots and managing your property or not.

958
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you can look for these types of features

959
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: just naturally as well, especially if you're hunting farmland. I

960
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: I remember a specific example that still haunts me. I

961
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: was heading into hunt a property at permission, and I'm

962
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: sneaking and I kind of had an idea of where

963
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: I wanted to go, and it was right on the

964
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: edge where a standing corn field met a standing bean field,

965
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: and then there's a chunk of timber, you know, right

966
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: on the on the edge of that. And I thought

967
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, this is that perfect corner. Like you

968
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: just described their terry diversity of habitab, You've got a

969
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: great edge here that then connects with the timber. It

970
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: was just it looked screamed off the map as a

971
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: great spot to be. But I walked to that point,

972
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: I was about to get set up, and then I

973
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: spotted a big oak tree down the edge of the

974
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: field another sixty seventy yards away, and for whatever reason,

975
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: I decided that I wanted to be close to those

976
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: acorns and not be on that edge. I just thought

977
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: I was a little more enticed by the acorns down

978
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: the edge, and I went and set up seventy yards

979
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: away from the edge of the beans in the standing corn,

980
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: and at last light had to watch a really really

981
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: nice shooter a point and go walking right down that edge,

982
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: right past where I was originally going to set up.

983
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: And it was a great lesson learn to uh, to

984
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: stick with your initial instincts sometimes and hunt those train

985
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: features versus getting tempted by a little bit of candy

986
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: off off in the distance. And I won't forget that one.

987
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: And you know, a scenario like that, late season is

988
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: a really really good time to you know, inspect those

989
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: areas and see exactly where those really really defined trails

990
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: are coming in and out. Uh. And a lot of

991
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: times those bucks bucks won't use those same defined trails

992
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: and instead of going you know, with the trail, a

993
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: lot of times they go against the grain and they'll

994
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: be going perpendicular to those trails, particularly going back to

995
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: bed in the mornings, where they're you know, they're kind

996
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: of checking every trail. They're not just hitting one or two,

997
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: but they'll check them all. And certain times of the years,

998
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: they certain time of the year they may funnel out

999
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: or they may file following some does out onto the

1000
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: food plot where they are on that trail. But that

1001
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: first week in November, when they're looking for those first

1002
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: available extra stoves, they go transverse to those trails, they'll

1003
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: go perpendicular to them, and they'll check them all. So

1004
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: being on that edge, uh, even though you're in that

1005
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: big old fat oak tree, you still may get a

1006
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: shot at him if he comes far enough. So that's

1007
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: not the worst thing. You had the right the right

1008
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: uh idea, And it might be different at a different

1009
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: time of the year where they may where they may

1010
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: be under those uh you know, those white oaks. But

1011
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: with that said, we always look at those uh definitive spots,

1012
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: the ones that jump out at you and say, you

1013
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: know what, here's where I'll start. But we picked the tree,

1014
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: and then we plant our our food plot accordingly. We

1015
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: always pick it first. And we've gotta have good back cover.

1016
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: You gotta have access and really really good back cover,

1017
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: particularly if he's sitting over a food plot where you

1018
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: know there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs, so you

1019
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: want to be able to sit there and and uh

1020
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: keep from getting picked off and make sure that you've

1021
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: got great back cover so they don't see you up

1022
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: in a tree. Yeah. So, so one of the challenges

1023
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: that I know a lot of people encounter when trying

1024
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: to set up a property with food and hunting access

1025
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: and everything is trying to think through where your wind

1026
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: is going to blow in a situation like this, because

1027
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: there's because one scenario where the wind is blowing from

1028
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: the bedding out into the open field, and that's great

1029
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: until that food source fills up with deer towards the

1030
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: end of the night, and now all of a sudden,

1031
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: you're wind is blowing to where all this deer are now,

1032
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: and you know, for the last ten minutes you're hoping

1033
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: that mature bucks gonna step out, and instead your wind

1034
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: is just spooked ten does off the food plot, and

1035
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: now they're all running back in. You're not gonna see

1036
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: the buck. The opposite situation is that if you you know,

1037
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: if you have that wind blowing anywhere into the cover,

1038
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: you risk of course spooking something um before they ever

1039
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: get out there. Ideally, you'd like to have a situation

1040
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't do either one of those. Are there any

1041
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: specific things you think about or tricks as far as

1042
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: positioning your plot or your stands to negate those two

1043
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: potential wind issues. Well, it gets back to historical data

1044
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: and m R. I. You know an observation, where is

1045
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: where is the least amount of activity coming from? And

1046
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: you're going to give up a down wind side. There

1047
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: are no two ways about it. I don't care who

1048
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: you are, how hard you hunt, or how set free

1049
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: you are, You're still going to give up a down

1050
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: wind side if you're in a tree stand. So that

1051
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: historical data becomes extremely important, m R. I. Knowing where

1052
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: those deer are coming out, where they feel comfortable feeding,

1053
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: and where the least amount of activity comes from. And

1054
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: then you say, okay, I've been watching this thing for

1055
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: two or three years now, and there are zero deer

1056
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: coming from this direction. Then Baygli, there's the area that

1057
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to look for a tree and say,

1058
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: I can I can get in there, and I can

1059
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: let my wind go out over this direction and do

1060
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: very little damage. And I think it's as much about

1061
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: being smart and observing where they're coming from and where

1062
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: they're going to as it is just picking that tree

1063
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: and and hoping and praying that the wind will won't

1064
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: mess you up because it only takes one and if

1065
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: she if she blows and clears the field and they

1066
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 1: domino back, that is the worst feeling in the world

1067
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: for them, the domino back because if you if they

1068
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: would have stayed on the field, pretty good chance you'd

1069
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: have seen that buck and he'd have been out there

1070
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: during daylight hours. But once they domino back, then you're

1071
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: another hour, hour and a half, two hours and maybe

1072
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: not at all, and you may not see him at

1073
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: all the rest of the night. So it's extremely important.

1074
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: But it gets back to being observant, you know, when

1075
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: you're sitting there the first two years, and that's the

1076
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: reason we like to hunt the perimeters first and try

1077
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: and start making those observations and saying, Okay, now I

1078
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: can move in. I know which tree I want to

1079
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: sit in because there's very little movement coming in and

1080
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: out of that tree. But yet I still want to

1081
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: be able to get that deer within bow range. And

1082
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: that's where the inside and outside corners become important. Yeah,

1083
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: that's that's when you start getting the kind of the

1084
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: art of it all. Um. You talked about that domino effect.

1085
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: When that one dough blows and sends everything back, and

1086
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: I agree that there's not a worse feeling I think

1087
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: in the world. Then when you hear that blow and

1088
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: you just your heart just drops, And it's funny. The

1089
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: other night, I was sitting in bed reading and all

1090
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I heard a doe blow. I heard that,

1091
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: and my heart just dropped, my my breathing stopped. I

1092
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: had this this physical reaction because it was like my

1093
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: body automatically reacting to this sound that I hate so much.

1094
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: And then I took a second. I realized, Hey, you're

1095
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: sitting in bed. There's no dough blowing at you right now.

1096
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: And I realized it was my dog snoring. But but

1097
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: I had this very you had me wondering there. I

1098
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: had this very visceral physical reaction that was just like

1099
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: pre programmed into my body whenever I hear that kind

1100
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: of sound. Made me realize, that's been Yeah, it really is,

1101
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. And and I'm I'm one of those guys.

1102
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoy harvesting. The harvesting does. I've been doing

1103
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: it for many, many years. And if they so much

1104
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: as look cross eyed at me, they usually don't leave

1105
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: the field. That's probably the way to take care of

1106
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: that issue. UM, we had a luxury because the deer

1107
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: density is so high. I just can't seem to get

1108
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: the numbers down. And and that's a great problem to have.

1109
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining by no means. I I enjoy seeing them,

1110
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: I enjoy harvesting them. We just had some venison sausage made,

1111
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, some summer sausages made, and and uh, I

1112
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: was I was tickled to try it. I got my

1113
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: wife had picked it up. I had dropped it off

1114
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: and they made it. She had picked it up. So

1115
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: I tried a piece last night. It was phenomenal. So

1116
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: we we eat it all season long and continue to

1117
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: keep the freezers full. Yeah, you can't. You can't beat that. UM.

1118
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: One additional question on the food plot architecture piece. We

1119
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: talked about positioning where you want the plots. We talked

1120
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: about where your tree is gonna be handling wind. What

1121
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: about shapes of your actual plantings. Do you do anything

1122
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: to try to funnel deer movement into smaller areas or

1123
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: are you not as concerned about that. That's a great question,

1124
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: because we do do that, and we're pretty diligent about it.

1125
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: You know, if you see where there and again back

1126
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: to the data in the m R. I if you've

1127
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: watched them for two or three years and you know

1128
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: they're gonna pop out over here, and then as the

1129
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: evening progresses they slowly migrate to another another part of

1130
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: the field, then by all means, you can do that

1131
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: little hour glass effect or figure eight, so to speak,

1132
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: and neck it down, uh to where you know you've

1133
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: got a maybe maybe a little bit closer shot where

1134
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: they're not you know, quite out there at eighty and

1135
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: a hundred yards, but maybe they get in with that

1136
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: thirty five or forty yards shot. Then by all means

1137
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: do that. We do that quite often, or make a

1138
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: little bit of a triangular effect, and it may be

1139
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: something that you've created with some hay bales. I use

1140
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: big round bales all the time and make them walk

1141
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: around the end of them. You know, we're I'll have

1142
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: them straight away from me in a tree stand up

1143
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,280
Speaker 1: where I'm looking straight into the end of the bales,

1144
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: and they may go you know into the timber, oh

1145
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,959
Speaker 1: three or four bales deep for five bales, but there

1146
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: within forty yards whenever they walk around the end of it.

1147
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: I do it all the time. So there's other way

1148
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: ways of doing it other than just necking down your

1149
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: food plot. But but marks a master at it. The

1150
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: Mad Scientist does it on on a lot of different

1151
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: things where he does that are glass effect. Yeah, that

1152
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 1: that seems to be a good way to Again to

1153
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: your point, there's a whole lot of ways to influence movement.

1154
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 1: And as you start stacking up that, m R. I

1155
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: you're learning, learning, learning, then you can start tweaking, tweaking,

1156
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: tweaking a little more every year. Um, and that for

1157
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: me is probably what's become the most fun. I love

1158
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: making all these little tweaks. You try something out, you

1159
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: put something out there. Then you get to sit first

1160
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: season and watch how they use it and watch how

1161
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: they enjoy the food or the cover you enhanced, Like

1162
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: that's incredible to see. And then the chess match begins again.

1163
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: You get to keep turning the knobs, pulling the levers,

1164
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: and uh, I geek out over that big time. Well,

1165
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, I can't tell you how many times I've

1166
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: sat in a tree and go, why did I do that?

1167
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: You know that was stupid. I don't know why I

1168
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: planted so much food and made this plot so much

1169
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: bigger where now I can't I can't shoot any of them.

1170
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: So there you can make mistakes and to learn about

1171
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: those mistakes, but you've gotta be willing to say, you

1172
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: know what, next year, I'm gonna change this a little bit,

1173
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna take a disk and I'm gonna disc

1174
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: up what I planted because they're out there at four

1175
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: yards or two d yards and I can't get a

1176
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: shot anyway. So you may, you know, eliminate a little

1177
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: part of it, you know what. It may only be

1178
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: a couple of brush hoogs wide or something, But try

1179
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: and direct a white tail in your position is not

1180
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: as hard as what someone might think. But it takes

1181
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: observation first, and if they're comfortable being there, then it

1182
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: becomes a lot more a lot more easily done. Yeah.

1183
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: So so to that point, if they're comfortable there, I

1184
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: think that is a key aspect of food plots is

1185
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: making sure they feel comfortable. And lots of times folks

1186
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: will plant food plots and then they think that's gonna

1187
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: be the silver bullet that's going to change everything for

1188
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: them when they're hunting. But then they go in there

1189
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: in the mornings and they spook deer out the food plots,

1190
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: and then in the evenings they leave their tree stands

1191
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 1: that are hung right in the edge of the food plot,

1192
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: and they walk through it and they spook a bunch

1193
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: of deer, And after doing that two or three times

1194
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: now they never see Bucks anymore. And then eventually they

1195
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: never see does anymore, and they're wondering, why is my

1196
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: hunting worse now than it was before I had the

1197
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: food plots? UM. I think that's a scenario that people

1198
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 1: sometimes experience when they're not thinking about access or ways

1199
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: to maintain security within those food plots for those deer.

1200
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: So that brings me to two questions. Number one, do

1201
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: you ever do anything as far as screening cover to

1202
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: increase security for deer within those food plots so they

1203
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: feel like they can't see things outside or they can't

1204
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: see you moving in um? And then number two, what else,

1205
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: if if there's things other than screening cover, are you

1206
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: doing to help improve your access your own hunting access

1207
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: in and out? Well? And you hit on too, they're

1208
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: in and out. It's as hard to get out of

1209
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: a tree stand as it is to get in a

1210
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: tree stand when they're you know, if you're getting into

1211
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: your tree stand early enough and the deer haven't moved yet.

1212
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: They're obviously not on the food plot, and you know

1213
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: a lot of times they won't see you access that spot.

1214
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: You can climb up, get settled in, but you still

1215
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: got to get out of it at night. So that's

1216
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: the one or in the dark, that's the one that

1217
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: that really is can do the you know the harm

1218
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: in the sidings UH literally go down. And I don't

1219
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: know what that incremental rate is, but if you go

1220
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: to the same set four or five nights in a row,

1221
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: your sightings are gonna go down accordingly. So it's extremely

1222
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: important to be able to bounce around and hunt on

1223
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: the right winds, but it's extremely hard to get out

1224
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: of there. And yes, we do create UH different access

1225
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: UH points, and whether we're cutting through a timber or

1226
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: using UH, I use you know, little drainages and draws,

1227
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: and I make sure that they're clean. Will go in

1228
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: with a chainsaw and make sure that they're clean, and

1229
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: you can slip in or slip out through that drainage

1230
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: without being seen. If you're up on top of a

1231
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: hog back or a ridge, they all see you. If

1232
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: you're down in the crack, you know, and you're and

1233
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,439
Speaker 1: you're kind of hunker down and you've got a little

1234
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: bit of cover going in and out, and and rule

1235
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: will located tree stand sometimes in a spot where I

1236
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: know I can climb up the backs out of a

1237
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: tree without being detected. In addition to that, we may

1238
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: plant in areas. I had a spot last year on

1239
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: a farm that had a pretty big bottom field, and

1240
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: I felt like the bottom was way too open, and

1241
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: it felt like the deer didn't feel comfortable crossing that

1242
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: particular fee. So I loaded it up with carn and

1243
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: with biologic in that carn. Because my muddy bullline was

1244
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: on the other end of the field, I needed a

1245
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: way to access it without being seen. I planted a

1246
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: guest row, And a guest row is just where your

1247
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: planter you move over a little bit and you leave

1248
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: yourself a little with between two rows. And then we

1249
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: went down through there with a machete and we trimmed

1250
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: them just a little bit, and you could literally walk

1251
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: four hundred yards through the carn field without ever being detected.

1252
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: And it was as sweet access as I've ever had

1253
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: to get in and out of a spot. And we

1254
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: did that last year all we did was moved the

1255
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: planter over and I think we were maybe I don't know. Fifth. Uh,

1256
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: let's see twelve. We're sixteen rows in from the edge

1257
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: of the field and then planet at guest row, and

1258
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: you could walk all the way the blind four yards

1259
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: without ever being without ever being out in the open.

1260
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: And this was a pretty decent bottom field. So that

1261
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: was one way. Planting switch grass is another. Mark does

1262
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: that and and has that on a lot of different

1263
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: spots on his farms where he's got has it created

1264
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: that cover where it's up over your head, and then

1265
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: you might take a little more or something and and

1266
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: create a little path, or you can get in and

1267
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: out there without being detected. Uh. Using you know some

1268
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: brushy areas that you can get into a tree stand

1269
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: without being detected, using the terrain the topography to help you.

1270
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: There's a number of different ways of doing it, but

1271
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: being able to get in and out is always crucial.

1272
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: And you do as much harm getting out as you

1273
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: do walking in. Yeah, so so true. And um I

1274
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: will if I had the ability. I don't yet, but

1275
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: if I ever have the ability to plant standing corn

1276
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: that is a trick, I will definitely be be utilizing

1277
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: because that just sounds like the kind of access route

1278
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: that gets a deer geek like really excited imagining being

1279
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: able to slip in and out so easily without being detected. Uh,

1280
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: that's that's a dream scenario. Um. It was. I'll interrupt

1281
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: you here. It was the single best access I've ever created,

1282
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: bar none, and we've done a lot of them, but

1283
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: that one was slick. I kid, you know. It was

1284
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: you could walk down this entire bottom field and they

1285
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: knew they had no clue you were there, and it

1286
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: was easy. It was quiet, it was you didn't make

1287
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 1: any noise because we took the time in the summer

1288
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: months to go through with a machete, and even though

1289
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: the guest row was was wide, we wanted to make

1290
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: sure we didn't rub against anything or hit anything with

1291
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: a bow or cameras, are arms or elbows there, knees

1292
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: and it was clean. I mean you literally could skirt

1293
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: down through there and nothing knew you were there. Yeah.

1294
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: That's uh yeah, if that's a dream scenario, then, which

1295
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: it is, I need to ask you about a nightmare scenario,

1296
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: which is when your plans for a food plot, whether

1297
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: it be a corn plot, for access or a greenfield

1298
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: that hunt. Maybe I think probably the green fields a

1299
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: better example of this. But when you have a situation

1300
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: like that where you're hit with the worst weather possible

1301
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: during the summer or the fall when you plant it

1302
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: and you have drought and your food plot has failed. UM,

1303
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: I have seen you use some different creative ways to

1304
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: deal with scenarios like that. Could you talk to us

1305
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: a little bit about how you handle drought and other

1306
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: issues of food plots. Um, You've got a few tricks

1307
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: up your sleeve. I think. Well, for whatever reason, the

1308
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: the region that I'm in in northern Missouri there where

1309
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: my farm is located, I don't know why, but we

1310
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: we get hit with a drought seems like every single year.

1311
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: You know, and brother marks up there his carns twelve

1312
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: foot tall and his beans are up over his you know,

1313
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: his his belt, and he's telling me how good his

1314
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: food plots look. And I'm struggling, literally struggling to get

1315
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:56,520
Speaker 1: a drop of rain. And it becomes extremely stressful. And

1316
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: the fact that you know, it costs a lot to

1317
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, the input costs are high in the spring

1318
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: and all those other things, and it's just it, I'm

1319
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: faced with it each and every year. So I went

1320
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: through the trouble. I found a used fire truck that

1321
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: was for sale sitting at a uh, you know, outside

1322
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: of a firehouse, and I ended up purchasing it for

1323
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: a little bit of nothing. And this thing had a

1324
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, a three ninety engine in it with a

1325
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: big stainless dred gallon water tank on the back, and

1326
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: the tank was worth and the motor was worth more

1327
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: than the truck. So I was like, man, I gotta

1328
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: get this thing, and I've been utilizing it. I pumped Unfortunately,

1329
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: I have some farm ponds, so I pump water out

1330
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: of the ponds, load the truck, and I try to

1331
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: try to keep a few food plots alive each and

1332
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: every year and then and then hope that we're gonna

1333
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: get a little bit of rain and mother nature be

1334
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: kind enough to keep some of the other stuff growing.

1335
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: But I found out that I can't water them all

1336
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: when it's a hundred and ten degrees, but I'm able

1337
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: to put enough water on two or three of them

1338
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: to uh to keep them, to keep them going and

1339
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: keep them green. In addition to that, because I have

1340
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: a few farm ponds, I started looking at areas where

1341
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: I could siphon water. And we've done that over the

1342
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: top of the levee, where I'll just take literally a

1343
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: garden hose and a bucket with a rock in the

1344
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: bucket and pook holes in the bucket, so I throw

1345
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: it out into the pond and uh, then I got

1346
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: a garden hose going over the back of the levee.

1347
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: And and typically the backside of a pond is usually

1348
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: a low lying area. It's some silt that's usually washed

1349
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: down in there. It's usually grass that's fairly tall or

1350
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: some thick cover. But it's not very hard to keep

1351
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 1: a food plot growing. And it may be a small one,

1352
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, as small as it may be. It may

1353
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: only be a quarter of an acre, a third of

1354
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 1: an acre, half acre or whatever. But it's pretty easy

1355
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: to keep those growing if you've got a little bit

1356
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: of a siphon effect going. And I've done that on

1357
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: two or three occasions as well, two or three different

1358
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: areas that I had never planted before, and said, you

1359
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: know what, the water's right here, and we have an

1360
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: elevation change of fifteen foot. All I gotta do is

1361
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: start a siphon and let the water run out and

1362
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: we've been doing that and in a garden as it

1363
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: doesn't take much. You move the hose about every other

1364
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: day or whatever, and uh, it's just enough to keep

1365
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: it alive until mother nature blesses you with with a

1366
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: nice rain. And I think I saw. So what you're

1367
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: doing there with that hose is you're running it into

1368
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: your food plot and then you have a bunch of

1369
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: holes cut into the hose at different distances, so you're

1370
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: kind of getting almost like a sprinkler effect across part

1371
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: of the plots there, right. Yes, Yeah, I bought some

1372
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: half inch PBC and took a drill and drill holes

1373
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: in it, and uh, it's you know, you're it's a siphon,

1374
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: so you gotta neck it down a little bit to

1375
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: make sure it's got enough pressure to even come out

1376
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: of those holes. But it did. It worked, and uh

1377
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: we would tickled to death to get it to work.

1378
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: So you kind of got to be smart about it.

1379
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: So we've got a little bit bigger holes and going

1380
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: to smaller ones are smaller than going to bigger and

1381
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: trying to get that volume out and making sure that

1382
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, the end of it is plugged. Obviously,

1383
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: but um, you know, we were just trying to get

1384
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: creative and say, how in the world can I keep

1385
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: this food plot growing Because it's in the middle of

1386
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: my farm. It's one of the best spots on my

1387
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: entire farm, and I have zero food here because it

1388
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: all burnt up. So we started getting more and more

1389
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: creative each and every year, and I said, you know what,

1390
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: this is a no brainer. It costs you literally nothing,

1391
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: a few garden hoses and some a couple of pieces

1392
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: of PVC pipe, and uh it's worked out pretty dog on. Well, yeah,

1393
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: that's that's that's pretty ingenious. I like the creative d

1394
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: I y work on that one to to solve a

1395
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: problem that could be pretty tricky otherwise, especially in a

1396
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: region like Sounds Like, where you're at work for whatever reason,

1397
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: getting some some funky consistent droughts. That's that's kind of

1398
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: a a frustrating situation, I gotta believe well. And and

1399
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: another thing we did to enhance that little food plot,

1400
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: we went ahead and put scrape trees in there. I

1401
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: cut some shingle oaks down and then planted us you know,

1402
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: just took a post hole digger and put a scrape

1403
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: tree in there. And then all and then put a

1404
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: camera on it, and it's amazing how many bucks I

1405
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: was getting on this a little bitty highhole food plot

1406
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,959
Speaker 1: below this pond. In early season, it can be pretty

1407
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: dog on lethal if it's still warm, still hot, still dry,

1408
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: and they've got a green food plot, it's the lush

1409
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: food plot. And then they got water right there as well.

1410
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: So we put a scrape tree in, put a camera

1411
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: on it, and we're like, holy cow, there's a lot

1412
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: more deer using this than what I realized. Do you

1413
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: put scrape trees in all of your food plots? Are

1414
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: large open food sources like that? You know? I don't

1415
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: in all of them, but I do in several where

1416
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: I where I want to shoot one with a bow

1417
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: and I want to get him within twenty five yards

1418
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: or twenty two yards. I do, and a lot of those,

1419
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, because there are there are firearm spots, and

1420
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: then there are archery spots. And we're a little more

1421
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,440
Speaker 1: creative with our archery spots, uh than we are the firearms.

1422
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: But Mark's got him in most of his or many

1423
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: of his, and he's got there had really really good

1424
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 1: luck with it over the years, tremendous pictures and video

1425
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: footage of these things. Uh, So we've been putting more

1426
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: and more out, seems like each and every year. Yeah,

1427
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 1: and it definitely seems to be a u a tactic

1428
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 1: that works. I've been using it here in Michigan too,

1429
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: And great pictures and great way to get dear to

1430
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: move to a specific location and pause for a moment,

1431
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 1: sometimes for a shot. It's uh, it seems to be

1432
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: a no brainer in a lot of cases. Speaking of trees, though,

1433
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that we do talk about

1434
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 1: the other half of white tail habitat. We talked a

1435
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: lot about food, but what about cover? Um, how do

1436
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: you think about how do you like to implement cover

1437
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: improvements in situations where you need that? Do you do

1438
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: a lot of that? Actually we do. And I'll tell

1439
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: you that I mentioned Dr Grant Woods a little while ago.

1440
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: He was one of the first ones that looked at

1441
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: a piece of property with us, and and it was

1442
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: a piece of market purchase. And Grant was walking through

1443
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: it and he said, you know what do you got

1444
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: here for for covering food? And and it was full

1445
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: of shag bark hickries. And Mark said, well, we got

1446
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: all these hickores and he said that that's not cover

1447
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: off food. Yet they get zero zero benefits out of

1448
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: a shag bark hickory. So you know we look at

1449
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: it and say, oh man, we got all this cover.

1450
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: He looked at and said, you know what you could

1451
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 1: be doing better to buy enging some of these trees

1452
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: and letting that sunlight hit the ground and promoting some

1453
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: of that uh you know that understory to grow in

1454
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: lou having that big old hickory there, because the only

1455
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: thing he's supporting as a as a nest of squirreld.

1456
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: So you know, everybody looks at it differently. It's nice

1457
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: to have someone with a forestry background that says, okay,

1458
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: here's you've got. You know, white oaks, you've got pin oaks,

1459
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: you've got breads, you've got shingles, you've got which ones

1460
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: are you know a prime food source for a white tail?

1461
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: Which ones do you want to promote? Where do you

1462
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: want to go in and put a little fertilizer stick

1463
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: at the base of that tree, or put two or

1464
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: three around the base of that tree. If you've got

1465
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: to stand nearby, you know, and your and your planning

1466
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: on hunting a white oak grow So there's different ways

1467
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: of looking at it and different people that have different

1468
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: facilities that can help you with that. But we always

1469
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: look at the mass crop. I always want to know

1470
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: exactly what's gonna put that fat, you know, onto their

1471
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: their body before the rut hits and during the rut,

1472
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: are they gonna have enough food source and enough mass

1473
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 1: crop to to carry them through? And carrying capacity is

1474
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: so important now in areas where there's let's say, you

1475
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: might be butted up against a tillable field. But because

1476
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: of the efficiency of of the farming equipment nowadays, years ago,

1477
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: there was a lot of it that laid on the ground. Anymore,

1478
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: there isn't many kernels that lay there anymore. You don't

1479
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: see a lot of corn and beans laying on the

1480
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: ground because the the equipment has gotten so much more efficient,

1481
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I think the numbers really kind

1482
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 1: of tested testimonial to that. You see the numbers have

1483
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: have declined in in those really really big areas where

1484
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: there are a lot of agg fields but it's kind

1485
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: of broken woodlots. I think the number and the deer

1486
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: densities down because there it doesn't have the carrying capacity

1487
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: that it once had. So we're careful about looking for

1488
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: a mass crop. We're also careful about looking at the

1489
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: agg fields that are in and around it. But you

1490
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: know how many how many white oak trees you got?

1491
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: You know, reds and blacks are all good, but we

1492
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: really want to make sure that it's got a mass

1493
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 1: crop as well. Yeah, Now what about what about actual

1494
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: betting areas within that cover? Do you get as strategic

1495
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: with betting as you do with food? And by that

1496
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: I mean do you ever try to go in and say, hey,

1497
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: I really wish that the betting was happening here and

1498
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: then create a great betting area there or do you

1499
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: usually just look and see where are they betting now?

1500
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: And then do we, if we need to improve it

1501
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: a little bit, improve it or do we just leave alone?

1502
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: Which of those two do you do? Well? I haven't

1503
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: done a lot of it on my form because I

1504
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 1: have what I feel as though sufficient amount of betting,

1505
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: and we got food plots planted in and pretty tight

1506
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: to that betting, and then we've got destination feed fields

1507
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 1: where they'll leave the betting, hit the green and then

1508
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: go to grain. So that's really the optimum if you

1509
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: can accomplish that on smaller pieces, then I could see

1510
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: doing a little more, uh, you know, as far as

1511
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 1: promoting that betting, and you can do that by hinging.

1512
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 1: It's really not that hard, and it maybe trees that

1513
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: are that are already dying. You know, in Missouri we

1514
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: got hit with a lot of diseases on on some

1515
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: of our oak trees that literally took out some of

1516
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: the most beautiful timber you'd ever want to see in

1517
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: In those particular scenarios, you can go ahead and log

1518
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: it out, get the logs off of it, and then

1519
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: promote it with with different brush poles. You know, take

1520
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: those tops and put them in a certain pattern or

1521
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: a certain direction where you kind of maybe funnel some

1522
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 1: dear past the tree stand. It's not that hard to do.

1523
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: It takes a little manual labor and a chainsaw. But uh,

1524
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, if you go in there and you do

1525
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: it early on and you continue enhancing that each and

1526
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: every year, you can direct a lot of that traffic.

1527
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got certain trails and they're just

1528
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 1: skirting you by, you know, an extra ten or fifteen

1529
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: yards that you don't like, then by all means, take

1530
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: some of those trees that are either not helping a

1531
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: white tail or they're already dead, and create your own

1532
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,560
Speaker 1: funnel inside and it may or may not be betting necessarily,

1533
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: but just by creating that structure in that funnel type

1534
01:12:56,439 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: of effect, you can have a pretty compounding effect. Yeah,

1535
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: I see there being just as many interesting ways you

1536
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: could manipulate and tweak things within a timbered environment as

1537
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: you could in like the fields where you're doing food

1538
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: plot architecture. That there's probably and I know there are

1539
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: examples of people doing kind of timber architecture or cover

1540
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: architecture to get those edges to get deer moving down

1541
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: to funnel deer through different ways. Um, it's there, really is.

1542
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: It's kind of a property really can be a canvas

1543
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: and you can paint whatever picture you want on it,

1544
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: whether that be with a chainsaw or with a tractor. Um.

1545
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: Either way, there's ways to to move things around to

1546
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: work towards your benefit as a hunter, and then of

1547
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: course improving the habitat for deer and all the wildlife there.

1548
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: Usually they go hand in hand right well, and you

1549
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head, you know it's

1550
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: a blank canvas. When it's a new piece that you're

1551
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: starting with and uh, it depends how assertive and how

1552
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 1: aggressive you want to get with it. But one of

1553
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: the things that I've noticed throughout time the guys that

1554
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: are killing the biggest of deer with consistency, you know, consistently.

1555
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: For those guys that are more aggressive, you know, the

1556
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: guy that sits on his heel and just sits back

1557
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 1: and watches. Uh. He may or may not. He may

1558
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: kill one or two, but he's not gonna do it

1559
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: year after year. It's that guy that's a little more

1560
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 1: uh maybe I don't know, a little more type A

1561
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: that's a little more aggressive mark being one of him.

1562
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: He just he's never satisfied and he's never happy with

1563
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: his own performance, so he continues to enhance it day

1564
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: after day after day. And if it means putting a

1565
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: few hay bales out in front of you in a

1566
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: in a feed field or a food plot, then by

1567
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: all means do it. Or if it means going into

1568
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: the timber with a chainsaw and taking a deadfall and

1569
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: moving it and creating that wind row of brushed where

1570
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: they gotta walk around the end of it, then do

1571
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: that too, Or move your tree stand one or the other.

1572
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,759
Speaker 1: But there's ways of doing it, and they're not that hard.

1573
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: It just takes a little bit of manual labor. And

1574
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: and if you can conn a couple of buddies into

1575
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: helping you to see all that much easier where you

1576
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: just tell him what to do, that's a move right

1577
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: there that that's good to perfect. Um. You know, something

1578
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about it all is kind of

1579
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: the third leg of the tripod that that deer live

1580
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: off of, which is food cover and then water. Do

1581
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 1: you do you ever do much water manipulation? Do you

1582
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: ever try to dig in ponds or add things like that? Um?

1583
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned using ponds to water food plots,

1584
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: but do you ever try to create water sources? You

1585
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys do. I have not, because

1586
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: I have seven or eight farm ponds on my particular farm,

1587
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: and a couple of them are pretty good size, and

1588
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: we we fish them and and um, you know that

1589
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 1: was one of the reasons I bought the piece that

1590
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: I did was because it had so many farm ponds

1591
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: on it. And when I bought it, I thought, Man,

1592
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fish ease every day. And that doesn't happen.

1593
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: You never have time to fish them. But every once

1594
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: in a while we'll get a while here and fish

1595
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: them and clean them and eat them. But with that

1596
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: being said, I think water source is one of the

1597
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: most important, particularly during the rut and up in your

1598
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: aft of the woods. I know they've been masters at

1599
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: making it work farm for a number of years where

1600
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: they go in and create those little bitty uh, you know,

1601
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: farm ponds if you will, even though they're small. Uh.

1602
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: They'll do it in the middle of the timber and

1603
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: and I think that area probably has it down better

1604
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 1: than most, you know, other than those arid, really really

1605
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: dry regions down in Texas and Oklahoma where they have

1606
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: water troughs and and those types of things. I think

1607
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 1: where you're located there, they've been mastering that for quite

1608
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: a while. I have not because I think it's a

1609
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: fine line, and you've got to be careful when if

1610
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: you don't keep them fresh and keep them full, sometimes

1611
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: they can get stagnant on your depending on the size

1612
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: of that water source. So and there too, hauling water

1613
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: is not the easiest thing in the world, but developing it,

1614
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: digging a hole, taking a little mini excavator or something

1615
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 1: out out there, and and you know, kind of clearing

1616
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: a little area where it's in a little revetment or

1617
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: digging down and then building a levy. It's not that

1618
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: hard and it doesn't take much to do it. So

1619
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 1: if a guy has a forty acre or sixty acre

1620
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: piece without water on it, then by all means, I

1621
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: would highly recommend putting a water source on it. Yeah,

1622
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 1: it seems like you said, there's a lot of folks

1623
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: here in the Upper Great Lakes who have found a

1624
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: lot of success putting those little just like you described,

1625
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,520
Speaker 1: these little water holes back in the timber that specifically

1626
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 1: during the ruts, seems to be a great way to

1627
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 1: get passing bucks to stop for a moment coming through

1628
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: hit those little water sources while they're cruising. Um. I've

1629
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 1: tried it a little bit. I put a couple in

1630
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: and still trying to trying to figure out the best

1631
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: way to do it. But it's definitely something worth considering,

1632
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: especially if you're lacking water in your area. Those those

1633
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: spots are tricky to hunt to. A mature buck is

1634
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: really apprehensive about hitting though, so you've got to be

1635
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: kind of cognizant of that you may or may not

1636
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: kill him when he's at the water. You may have

1637
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: to sit off of that and try and catch him

1638
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: coming to and from because they're very, very careful about

1639
01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: how they hit a water source. Yeah, that's an interesting point, um,

1640
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,600
Speaker 1: speaking of that kind of thing. I guess, right in

1641
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: the situation where you put in a water hole, maybe

1642
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 1: and then you find out, oh jeez, you know, these

1643
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: bucks don't want to come out to it, Maybe because

1644
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: I put it out too far in the open, or

1645
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: maybe because of how I set up on it. Um.

1646
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: Mistakes like that that you can only really learn after

1647
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,879
Speaker 1: having tried it and then observed and learned from him.

1648
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 1: You have obviously done a lot of things right with

1649
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:24,719
Speaker 1: your with your various farms, especially your main Missouri farm.

1650
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: I know you've spent a lot of time on there.

1651
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: You've built this into a piece of white tail paradise. Um,

1652
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: you've done a lot right. But I gotta believe there's

1653
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: a few things maybe you've done wrong that you've looked

1654
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: back on and said, ah, I wish I hadn't done that,

1655
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 1: Or maybe there's something you realize and you had to

1656
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: fix it. But it's one of those big cross in

1657
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: your back that you always remember. Gosh, I sure wasted

1658
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 1: a lot of time or money on this thing. Um,

1659
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 1: is there any mistake like that over all of your

1660
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: years on your main farm there Missouri that you could

1661
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: point to as being an example of that kind of situation. Yeah,

1662
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: Number one, I think it'd be the fact that I

1663
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: got old and lazy. You know, it's easy to get

1664
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: it's easy to get complacent. Know when we were younger

1665
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: and we were really really going at it, Uh, it

1666
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: was easy to stay aggressive and stay assertive and try

1667
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: and get all of these things implemented that you want

1668
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,839
Speaker 1: to implement. And then as you as you get intimate

1669
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: with a farm and you start getting uh, you know,

1670
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: to the point where it's not easy, but it's easier

1671
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: than it was in the beginning. Then all of a

1672
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: sudden you start to get lazy. And I think that

1673
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 1: that that can affect a lot of people. So again,

1674
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: and I said it earlier, that it's a matter of

1675
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: staying aggressive, staying assertive, uh, and just not not being

1676
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: satisfied with your own performance. And I think that's why

1677
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 1: Mark and I excel at times, him him more so

1678
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: than me, because he's just his mind never stops. They

1679
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 1: call him the mad Scientist for a reason. His mind

1680
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: is always working. He's constantly looking at reconics pictures and

1681
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: constantly trying to play the chess match, and he's he's

1682
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: just never ever happy. And when he gets one in

1683
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: his cross, he is like an old coyote. I swear

1684
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: he when he gets one and he wants to kill him,

1685
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: pretty good chance. He's gonna work on it until he does.

1686
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 1: If they moved during daylight hours. If not, obviously, then

1687
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't get done. But uh, he's just a master

1688
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,799
Speaker 1: at it. And I think that's that's the biggest mistake

1689
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 1: for me. And I'm just saying this personally, but it's

1690
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 1: it's becoming satisfied and and maybe not being as aggressive

1691
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: as I once was. And some of that comes with age,

1692
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: some of it comes with just being glazier as you

1693
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: get old, but being more assertive because there's still no matter.

1694
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: Every day when I go out on the farm, there's

1695
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 1: still something I can make better, there's still something I

1696
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: can improve, and there's still other ways of harvesting white tails. Um,

1697
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 1: I learned every single day, and uh, we never ever

1698
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: stopped learning. We're always analytical. You know. I've been hunting

1699
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 1: through fifty years and March's been hunting forty years, so

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01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,640
Speaker 1: there's ninety years worth of experience between the two of us.

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01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 1: And uh, that's one of the reasons that we get Deercast.

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01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons we developed the app was

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01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: to try and help other people and say, you know what,

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01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 1: the next time you go out, what what was going

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01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: on here today? What was the prometer, what was the

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01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: departure from average temperature, what was the wind speed? What

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01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: was the moon phase? You know, because dark of the

1708
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: moon is dreadful, and uh, we just our sightings go

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01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: way way down and and we in full moon and

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01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: it's just the opposite of that. So there's a lot

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01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 1: of observations they can make and we're just trying to

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01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: spur them on to maybe click something off in a

1713
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: guy's head and say, you know what today, here's where

1714
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt, and here's why. And that's what deer

1715
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: Cast was all about. It was another tool to put

1716
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: in your in your pouch, so to speak, and help

1717
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: somebody kill that next big deer. But the biggest mistake

1718
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 1: I've made is probably being complacent, because you can't be

1719
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: complacent when you're hunting mature white tails. Yeah, like you said,

1720
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: never stop learning, never stop trying to improve. Um. And

1721
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 1: that's that because that's necessary. That's also a part of

1722
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: what makes this so much fun is the fact that

1723
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 1: there's always another move to make, there's always another challenge

1724
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: to try to tackle. And that's what keeps me going

1725
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: at it, wakening up every moore and getting excited about

1726
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: this stuff. Is it's it's never ending. Um. And And

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01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: and I gotta I gotta thank you Terry for being,

1728
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, such a great resource to so many people.

1729
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: Just like you said that the ninety years of experience

1730
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: that you and Mark bring to bear have helped a

1731
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of folks, whether it be just through what you've

1732
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: shared in podcasts and your TV shows and DVDs and

1733
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: now with the app, Um, you're you're making a difference,

1734
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: and I certainly appreciate it. And for folks that want

1735
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: to dive into more of what you guys have got

1736
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: going on, whether it be the app or anything else,

1737
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 1: can you kind of point those folks in the direction

1738
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: where to find everything. Well, if they if they go

1739
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 1: to either if they're on an Android or and I phone,

1740
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: either are you know, and just go into the Google

1741
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: Play Store and and download the app. It's free and uh,

1742
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: it gives you everything. Drewy, there's a lot of video

1743
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: content on their moss Yoak was kind enough to to

1744
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: assist this and help us with some of their video content. Uh,

1745
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 1: it's got you know, we're gonna we're expanding on all that.

1746
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: We've been working with the developer to improve it. So

1747
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of improvements coming with dear

1748
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: cast and Gent two and Gen three were already thinking

1749
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: down the road three to five years, but we're just

1750
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: wanting to help people and as I thank you, we

1751
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: wanted to give back, So that was the whole idea

1752
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: of the farm giveaway. Uh. For thirty years of being

1753
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: in business, were very blast, very humbled, and uh we're

1754
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: just fortunate to be in this this line of work

1755
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 1: that we're in. White Tales can humble you, but pretty readily.

1756
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: It goes from the highest of highs to the lowest

1757
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: of lows, and you never get tired of those highs. Uh,

1758
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: they don't come near often enough. So when you do

1759
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: hit one, it's uh, it's it's pretty refreshing and you know,

1760
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if anything else, it gives you a

1761
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 1: feeling like harvesting a big white tail or one that

1762
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: you've been after, one that you've got pictures of. Uh,

1763
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 1: there's just nothing like it. And and it's so infrequent

1764
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: that it really does hit home when you do it,

1765
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: and and you go, you know what, By golly, I

1766
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: won this chess match. This was finally I won the

1767
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: chess match. And then you go on to the next match,

1768
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 1: you know. So, Uh, it's it's as good as it gets.

1769
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: And we just want everybody to be say, keep that

1770
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: in the back of your mind. We want to make

1771
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: sure that they're taking some youngsters with them, getting getting

1772
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 1: kids involved and trying to teach them the right way.

1773
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: Be respectful of your neighbor and be respectful of the

1774
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: quarry that you seek. A lot of times we see

1775
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: that maybe that doesn't reach where it should, and we'd

1776
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: love to make sure that everybody's respects their neighbor in

1777
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: the animals that they're after. I don't think we could

1778
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: end with any better words of wisdom than that. Terry,

1779
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: so really really interesting stuff today. I really appreciate your

1780
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: time and Mark likewise, I always enjoy the visit with you,

1781
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: and any time you need something, I don't hesitate to

1782
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: holler you better watch how what you asked for, Terry,

1783
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: I might be asking for a farm here said, there

1784
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: you go, let's take a tour one day. We'll take

1785
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: you out there and have you look at it. I

1786
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,200
Speaker 1: would love that. I would love that. All right, Terry,

1787
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 1: we'll talk against all right, and that's gonna be a rap.

1788
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,799
Speaker 1: So like we're talking about the deercast after the juries

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Speaker 1: are putting together. That they've put together is really great resource.

1790
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Speaker 1: So highly recommend that not to mention. This giveaway is

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Speaker 1: pretty incredible to so check it out, join in and

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1793
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1794
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1795
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Speaker 1: we are able to bring new listeners into the fold.

1796
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Speaker 1: So thanks in advance for doing that. Speaking of thanks,

1797
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Speaker 1: That's where all my gears. Now, that's where my new

1801
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Speaker 1: content is. Now to the new podcast, my new articles

1802
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Speaker 1: that I'm doing, videos, that kind of stuff is over

1803
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Speaker 1: on the meat eater dot com. So that out of

1804
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Speaker 1: the way, I just want to thank you so much

1805
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: for listening to this podcast. I want to wish you

1806
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 1: good luck if you're out there scouting or shed hunting,

1807
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: or doing some other project. Maybe you're out there shopping

1808
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: for deer hunting property of your own. If you're doing

1809
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: any of those things, I'm hoping it's going well for you.

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Speaker 1: And until next time, stay Wired to Hunt.