WEBVTT - Conversations with A Brain Surgeon With Dr. Lee Warren - Part 1: Neuro-thoughts (Outweigh)

0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I won't let my body out be outwait everything that

0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm made done, won't spend my life.

0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Trying to change. I'm learning love who I.

0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Am, agam Stan.

0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel free.

0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I know every part of me it's beautiful and that

0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:24.439
<v Speaker 1>will always out way if you feel it.

0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:29.040
<v Speaker 2>But she'll some love to the why get there? Say

0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:33.200
<v Speaker 2>go day Anita? Did you and die out way?

0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Well? Happy Saturday, Out Weigh. I'm so excited to be

0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.320
<v Speaker 1>here for a brand new series. It is our Outweigh

0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.760
<v Speaker 1>neuro series, and I'm joined by doctor Lee Warren. Hello,

0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.080
<v Speaker 1>doctor Warren. Hey, so good to have you here. And

0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.360
<v Speaker 1>this is a fun series for us to do because

0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.920
<v Speaker 1>this is kind of a crossover so over on my

0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.480
<v Speaker 1>What's God Got to Do with It? Podcast? Doctor Warren

0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:57.200
<v Speaker 1>was on there for two episodes. We'll link them in

0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the show notes where we talked about the concept of

0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.120
<v Speaker 1>neuro and neuro faith and so on. This series, this

0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.319
<v Speaker 1>is the neuro series because we're going to really be

0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.840
<v Speaker 1>getting deep into your thoughts, your feelings, your beliefs, your habits. Specifically,

0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.319
<v Speaker 1>as you know, if you're listening to this, there's some

0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of food and body prison that you're in. There's

0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.080
<v Speaker 1>some sort of out of controllness that you feel there's

0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.200
<v Speaker 1>something that you don't feel like you have agency over

0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.839
<v Speaker 1>your life when it comes to food in your body.

0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.959
<v Speaker 1>So who better to talk about the neural implications and

0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the cause and effect chicken egg than a neurosurgeon himself,

0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.400
<v Speaker 1>doctor Warren. But also the cool thing about it is

0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.240
<v Speaker 1>this time last year, Amy Brown, the creator of Outweigh

0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and my copilot for this podcast, we teamed up and

0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>we did a four part series called Acting as If,

0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.960
<v Speaker 1>where we talked about the connection between our thoughts, our feelings,

0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.080
<v Speaker 1>our beliefs, our behaviors and actions and how to influence

0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.520
<v Speaker 1>them by taking a brain base approach. But now we

0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.080
<v Speaker 1>get to talk to a neurosurgeon himself. He's going to

0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.000
<v Speaker 1>walk us through it, and there's so much connection and

0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.320
<v Speaker 1>crossover to what we already talk about and his ways

0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.680
<v Speaker 1>of thinking, ways of being. So I'm just excited for

0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.320
<v Speaker 1>us to dive on in. And this week we're going

0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.840
<v Speaker 1>to be going through the concept of neuro thoughts and

0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.200
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking next week we're going to get into the

0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.720
<v Speaker 1>neuro feelings side of things. So if you feel like

0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.040
<v Speaker 1>your feelings are driving the show, or you feel out

0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.880
<v Speaker 1>of control of your feelings. You're going to understand a

0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.520
<v Speaker 1>little bit more about why you do what you do,

0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.799
<v Speaker 1>why you feel how you feel, and then we'll get

0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.560
<v Speaker 1>into the neuro beliefs side of it, and then neuro

0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:20.960
<v Speaker 1>habits and the behaviors and action side of it. So

0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.840
<v Speaker 1>we're going to go ahead and dive on in to

0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.520
<v Speaker 1>this week's episode all about your thoughts, and so I

0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.680
<v Speaker 1>think a great place to start, doctor Warren is just

0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.080
<v Speaker 1>explaining from your perspective this idea of we now know

0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.440
<v Speaker 1>it is widely understood that our brain is plastic, it's multible,

0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.040
<v Speaker 1>it's pliable, it's switch up able at any time we choose.

0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.360
<v Speaker 1>But that now gives us a whole new set of

0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.480
<v Speaker 1>options and possibilities. It really starts at our thoughts. So

0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.839
<v Speaker 1>can you just kind of walk us through your perspective

0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:47.760
<v Speaker 1>on that for.

0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Us, absolutely, You know, we used to think like you

0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:53.600
<v Speaker 2>just alluded to. Up until about two thousand and four,

0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.360
<v Speaker 2>most neuroscientists thought that you were born with all the

0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:57.959
<v Speaker 2>brain cells you were ever going to have, and you

0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.200
<v Speaker 2>were pretty it was pretty fixed, and you just to

0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.160
<v Speaker 2>better learn how to take care of it. And that

0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.600
<v Speaker 2>was kind of a hopeless idea like, your brain is

0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:06.680
<v Speaker 2>what it is and your genetics determine it and all

0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.799
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and we know now without any doubt, so

0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.800
<v Speaker 2>from the neuropathology side neuroimaging, there's no doubt it's absolutely

0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.440
<v Speaker 2>true that your brain makes new nerve cells or neurons

0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:21.040
<v Speaker 2>every day. That's called neurogenesis, and your brain connects those

0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.839
<v Speaker 2>new cells into networks of old cells and pathways all

0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.520
<v Speaker 2>the time. While we're speaking, we're making new synapsis. That's

0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:31.320
<v Speaker 2>called neuroplasticity. The stunning thing is that we have some

0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.400
<v Speaker 2>control over that. So the functional imaging of the ability

0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.160
<v Speaker 2>to look at the actual brain as it's happening, the

0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.720
<v Speaker 2>thoughts that you're thinking, the blood flow, changes in the brain,

0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.640
<v Speaker 2>neurotransmitter levels, and all that stuff has allowed us to

0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.640
<v Speaker 2>basically connect the ideas that, yeah, we know that new

0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.640
<v Speaker 2>nerve cells are being born every day, we know they're

0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.320
<v Speaker 2>wiring in and all that to the fact that it's

0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.520
<v Speaker 2>dynamic and it's somewhat under your own control, and that's

0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.720
<v Speaker 2>where the power comes in. So we now know that

0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.760
<v Speaker 2>the things you think about turn out to be able

0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:07.640
<v Speaker 2>to make structural changes in your brain to create new synapses,

0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.640
<v Speaker 2>new connections between cells and networks in your brain and

0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.800
<v Speaker 2>to eliminate old ones that aren't helping you anymore. So,

0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:15.360
<v Speaker 2>if you want to think about it like I do

0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.760
<v Speaker 2>in surgery, if I take a pair of scissors and

0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.920
<v Speaker 2>cut a neuron or a connection between a neuron, I'm

0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.680
<v Speaker 2>severing a connection between two areas of the brain that

0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.479
<v Speaker 2>aren't helpful to one another. Like if I want to

0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.760
<v Speaker 2>interrupt seizure activity, I can eliminate seize your activity by

0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.920
<v Speaker 2>disconnecting networks of cells that shouldn't be talking to each other.

0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.279
<v Speaker 2>And you can do the same thing with your thinking,

0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:35.560
<v Speaker 2>which is a lot less invasive.

0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that gives us a lot of hope too,

0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:39.360
<v Speaker 1>because people think like you know, and I hear a

0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of women being like, yes, I have very negative thinking,

0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I have very negative self talk. And they think like, oh,

0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.400
<v Speaker 1>but this is just who I am, this is how

0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm always going to be. It's just part of their

0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.080
<v Speaker 1>way of thinking or way of being. Can you just

0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of speak into that, because I think there's some

0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:53.880
<v Speaker 1>people that have kind of resigned to it and think

0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:55.720
<v Speaker 1>that this is how their brain will always be.

0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.280
<v Speaker 2>That's right. And you know, on my show, we talk

0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.800
<v Speaker 2>about the ten commandments of self brains are. One of

0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.800
<v Speaker 2>them is to understand that not all of your thoughts

0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.279
<v Speaker 2>are true. Leah. The fact is, your brain generates a

0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of thoughts that pop into your mind that are

0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.480
<v Speaker 2>presented to you in a familiar voice, because your inner

0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.240
<v Speaker 2>voice sounds like you, and so that means that automatically

0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:19.600
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of credibility. But there's a lot of

0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.559
<v Speaker 2>thoughts that pop into your head that simply aren't true.

0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:27.680
<v Speaker 2>They're generated based on accessing memories and emotions and feelings

0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:29.680
<v Speaker 2>and current events and kind of jumbling them up, and

0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.360
<v Speaker 2>they present to you as if, oh, I just can't

0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.640
<v Speaker 2>ever be different than this, or I tried this before

0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.039
<v Speaker 2>and it didn't work, or I'm such a loser, or

0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.919
<v Speaker 2>whatever those thoughts pop into your head. The problem is

0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:44.640
<v Speaker 2>if we don't recognize that automatic thoughts are often negative

0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.839
<v Speaker 2>and often untrue, then we think we're hearing from a

0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.880
<v Speaker 2>credible voice inside our head that we're obligated to believe

0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and take action on. And so the most important thing

0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.720
<v Speaker 2>for the listener today, if you're stuck with that kind

0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.720
<v Speaker 2>of negative thinking loop, is to learn to say, hey,

0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:01.080
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, I know from science that most of

0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.240
<v Speaker 2>the thoughts that pop into my head are not true

0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.120
<v Speaker 2>and I am not obligated to act on them. So

0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.800
<v Speaker 2>the first thing is then to develop a toolkit, a

0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.800
<v Speaker 2>set of procedures, if you will, to think about your

0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.200
<v Speaker 2>thinking and decide only to take action on those thoughts

0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.480
<v Speaker 2>that are true and necessary and helpful and compassionate.

0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.839
<v Speaker 1>Wow, to think about your thinking, become aware of what

0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you're not currently aware of. Can we just follow that

0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:25.800
<v Speaker 1>threat a little bit more? Because I know for me

0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.920
<v Speaker 1>that was a very profound thought process. I'm like, wait

0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a minute, I can basically take an aerial view of

0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.760
<v Speaker 1>my thinking and think about my thinking. So as you

0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.120
<v Speaker 1>explain it on your podcast and in your books, can

0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.000
<v Speaker 1>you just share a little bit about the process of

0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:39.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking about your thinking.

0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, since I'm a surgeon and I like to

0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.640
<v Speaker 2>think about things like procedures, that the metaphor just works

0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.159
<v Speaker 2>for me. So if you come into my office and

0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.040
<v Speaker 2>you say I've got headaches, and I do a scan

0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.200
<v Speaker 2>and there's a spot on your brain and I think

0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.520
<v Speaker 2>it might be causing your headaches, I don't know what

0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.719
<v Speaker 2>that spot is until I buy it, or until it

0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.640
<v Speaker 2>take you to surgery and put a needle in that

0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.240
<v Speaker 2>thing and look at it microscope and get with the

0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.039
<v Speaker 2>pathologist and we identify what that tissue is. So I

0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.640
<v Speaker 2>can think it's a tumor, or I can think it's

0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.400
<v Speaker 2>an infection, or I can think it's something else. But

0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.040
<v Speaker 2>until I buyap see it, I don't know what it is.

0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.640
<v Speaker 2>And so as a surgeon, it's called malpractice if I

0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:20.600
<v Speaker 2>take action on something that I think without knowing first.

0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.960
<v Speaker 2>So if I if I took you to surgery or

0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.360
<v Speaker 2>sent you down to radiation and zapped your brain with

0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.280
<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of gamma rays because I thought you

0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.160
<v Speaker 2>had a tumor, but it was not true. You actually

0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a tumor. And once I buyop see that,

0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I found out you just had a little piece of

0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.120
<v Speaker 2>scar tissue in your brain that you didn't need to

0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.120
<v Speaker 2>have radiation. That would have been malpractice. Right, So taking

0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:43.200
<v Speaker 2>action on a thought that you haven't properly evaluated is

0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.760
<v Speaker 2>committing the act of self malpractice. You're harming yourself because

0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.760
<v Speaker 2>you don't know for sure that what you're doing is

0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.760
<v Speaker 2>in response to a thought that was valid. So I

0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.600
<v Speaker 2>teach people this idea of biap seeing your thought, like

0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.680
<v Speaker 2>literally think wait a minute. That thought that popped into

0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.520
<v Speaker 2>my head sounds kind of damaging to me, like, hey,

0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.520
<v Speaker 2>you're such a loser. You'll never be better than this,

0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.240
<v Speaker 2>You'll never be able to overcome this habit. Maybe that's

0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.520
<v Speaker 2>not true. Let me look and see if there's some

0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.360
<v Speaker 2>evidence that that is or is not true. And if

0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it isn't true, then I can just eliminate it, Like

0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to think about that thought because it's

0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.280
<v Speaker 2>not true. It's malpractice to follow that trail of thought.

0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.920
<v Speaker 2>And if it is true in some way, then my

0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.680
<v Speaker 2>next thought shouldn't be, Yeah, I really am such a loser.

0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I should just give up. My next thought should be

0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:28.880
<v Speaker 2>what can I do to change that? What can I

0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.520
<v Speaker 2>do to intervene in that to try to make the

0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:36.080
<v Speaker 2>future thought more hopeful, more helpful, more compassionate to myself.

0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I love because it just underneath what you're saying.

0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.480
<v Speaker 1>It denotes that you have to take radical responsibility for

0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.040
<v Speaker 1>your brain and your thoughts and the concept of self

0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.760
<v Speaker 1>malpractice right, there's no shame in it. It's just like

0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.199
<v Speaker 1>a data driven term where it's it basically is saying, Okay,

0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.560
<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm doing when I'm not thinking about

0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.959
<v Speaker 1>my thinking. We're not shaming ourselves because I think that's

0:08:57.960 --> 0:08:59.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the spiral that people that are listening

0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to this go into is that shame spiral, but it

0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.600
<v Speaker 1>denotes just really taking radical agency of this. Now on

0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.920
<v Speaker 1>that note, when it becomes obsessive, right, because there's a

0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of obsession that comes around thinking about what you're eating,

0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.959
<v Speaker 1>think about what you're not eating. Are they judging my body?

0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Are they not judging my body? Am I judging my body?

0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Is it me?

0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Is it them? I mean, I could go on and on.

0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:21.720
<v Speaker 1>When you talk about the obsessive thoughts, and you know,

0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.720
<v Speaker 1>you said talking about stopping that feedback loop, can you

0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.760
<v Speaker 1>just speak into what obsession is in the brain and

0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.360
<v Speaker 1>what you've experienced with how to kind of think about

0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.080
<v Speaker 1>your thinking and transform that rabbit hole.

0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.640
<v Speaker 2>There's a world famous neurosurgeonnamed Peter Janetta that was one

0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.839
<v Speaker 2>of my professors who trained me, and he invented a

0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:40.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of the procedures that was still use and he

0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.079
<v Speaker 2>was so famous that Maya Angelo spoke at his birthday

0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.600
<v Speaker 2>party one year like that. He was was a big

0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.240
<v Speaker 2>name guy, but he was funny because he would teach

0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.720
<v Speaker 2>us these brain surgeries that were these elaborate, complex operations

0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.640
<v Speaker 2>took all day to perform, and he would allow the

0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.679
<v Speaker 2>more senior residence to start the procedure before he came

0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.720
<v Speaker 2>in the room, and he would, invariably Doctor Janetta would

0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.240
<v Speaker 2>come in and he would watch me operate for a minute,

0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.320
<v Speaker 2>and he would watch all the things I was doing,

0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.199
<v Speaker 2>and he would say, hey, you're making an operation out

0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.959
<v Speaker 2>of this. And it was kind of a joke because

0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:13.360
<v Speaker 2>it was an operation, But what doctor Jenette was saying was,

0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:17.920
<v Speaker 2>you're overly complicating this situationally, you're making it harder than

0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.160
<v Speaker 2>it has to be a good surgeon, a good doctor

0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.440
<v Speaker 2>learns how to do the mission in the most efficient

0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.160
<v Speaker 2>and effective and best way that is possible to do it.

0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.280
<v Speaker 2>So when we talk about thinking about your thinking, one

0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.760
<v Speaker 2>way that you can make an operation out of it

0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.440
<v Speaker 2>is to overthink and get into a loop of thinking,

0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Am I thinking about my thinking too much? Am I

0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:41.880
<v Speaker 2>shaming myself too much? Am I blaming myself too much?

0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'll never be able to stop thinking about this.

0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.840
<v Speaker 2>And you get into this loop of right of overfixating

0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.600
<v Speaker 2>on the process, then of thinking about your thinking, and

0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.760
<v Speaker 2>you're making an operation out of it. So the way

0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.400
<v Speaker 2>to stop that is to say, hey, I need to

0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.120
<v Speaker 2>identify whether a thought is helpful or not. And once

0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I do that, then the next step is I'm going

0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.520
<v Speaker 2>to shift into I'm gonna stop contemplating and start operating,

0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.480
<v Speaker 2>and we'll start doing something to make that next thought better,

0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.520
<v Speaker 2>to make the outcome better, to have a better, hope,

0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.960
<v Speaker 2>more hopeful place to land. So you shift really quickly

0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.160
<v Speaker 2>from that biopsy stage to your taking action to do

0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.120
<v Speaker 2>something to try to make the process better, and that

0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.520
<v Speaker 2>that becomes automated and easier over time. But that's how

0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.559
<v Speaker 2>you stop making an operation out of it all the time.

0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm thinking of a scalpel now. And it's

0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.480
<v Speaker 1>like anything can be a tool or a weapon, right,

0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.240
<v Speaker 1>And it's like thinking about your thinking can be this

0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.920
<v Speaker 1>beautiful tool to set you free, but if you overthink

0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the thinking about your thinking, it becomes a weapon used

0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.520
<v Speaker 1>against yourself. So really that distinction is like who you're

0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.559
<v Speaker 1>being while you're using it. This is so good. And guys,

0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.040
<v Speaker 1>if you're listening to this and you love what you're hearing,

0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.920
<v Speaker 1>first of all, we have the rest of this series

0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.080
<v Speaker 1>coming up, but you've got to check out Doctor Warren's podcast.

0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.200
<v Speaker 1>He's got two different podcasts, He's got a gaggle of books.

0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.560
<v Speaker 1>So before we end this episode, where can people find you?

0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Can you share a little bit about your podcast.

0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the Doctor Lee Warren podcast, that's the main podcast,

0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and we talk about this kind of stuff all the time,

0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:03.240
<v Speaker 2>as you know, Lee and you've been on the show.

0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.520
<v Speaker 2>So we talk about neuroscience and faith and big things

0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:08.240
<v Speaker 2>like that and how we smash them together to try

0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.240
<v Speaker 2>to find a way to become healthier, feel better, and

0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.199
<v Speaker 2>be happy in our lives. And then the second one

0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.560
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit more sort of Bible focused. We

0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.080
<v Speaker 2>call it spiritual brain surgery. It's kind of looking at

0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.240
<v Speaker 2>what we believe, why we believe it, how faith and

0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.760
<v Speaker 2>science can help us defend it, live it and share

0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.880
<v Speaker 2>it with other people. And they're everywhere. Podcasts are available,

0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:26.240
<v Speaker 2>and then I got a bunch of books. You can

0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.800
<v Speaker 2>check out my website Doctor Leewarren dot com, wrenmd dot com.

0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.760
<v Speaker 2>And I write a newsletter and do all that stuff.

0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.320
<v Speaker 2>So easy to find and I hope people will connect.

0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.960
<v Speaker 2>We love to meet new people. So thanks amazing.

0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your Sunday newsletter. I will look forward to it.

0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.880
<v Speaker 1>In my inbox every weekend. So thanks for being here.

0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.719
<v Speaker 1>We are going to link all of that in the

0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.160
<v Speaker 1>show notes and we will be back next Saturday for

0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.280
<v Speaker 1>neuro Feelings. And so if you have ever wondered you

0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.240
<v Speaker 1>know what's going on when I go to reach for

0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.960
<v Speaker 1>food to fill a void of sadness or loneliness or

0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.000
<v Speaker 1>comfort or stress or sorrow or whatever, or happiness even

0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.320
<v Speaker 1>but why you're feeling the way that you're feeling, what's

0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the cause and effect relationship, really connecting the dots from

0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.200
<v Speaker 1>what we talked about with your thoughts, then stay tuned

0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.160
<v Speaker 1>because we're going to be talking about that next week.

0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.400
<v Speaker 1>So this is Lean and doctor Warren signing out for

0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:16.480
<v Speaker 1>this week and Outweigh and we'll be back next week. Bye.