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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, Wade in the Water. I think that I

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Speaker 1: think that actually should be that the next name for

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Speaker 1: a Jeremy Wade series on the Discovery Channel. Good evening,

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Wade. Hello that good evening. How are you? Have

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Speaker 1: you ever made that connection before you Wade in the Water.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like tailor made for you. It is

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Speaker 1: you know, to what extent the names dictates destiny? Apparently

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Speaker 1: that's where it actually comes from. You know, Well, I

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Speaker 1: looked it up and it is. You know a lot

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Speaker 1: of names come from old occupations like Miller right. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Wade was the dweller by the Ford. How about that?

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Speaker 1: So my ancestors, you know, you know we were linked

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Speaker 1: with Rivers and so something in my DNA, which is well,

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Speaker 1: you know, you've been a guest before on Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast and unfortunately both times are with me because I'm

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Speaker 1: such a big fan, and so I keep dragging you

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Speaker 1: under this show because I just think you're great. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, dude, I love and I love the new series,

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Speaker 1: but I is so rare for me to ever see

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Speaker 1: and every so once a while catch one a River

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Speaker 1: Monsters show that I hadn't seen before, but they're just

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Speaker 1: always so much fun and they're still running a people

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Speaker 1: can catch them on Hulu and some of the other

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Speaker 1: platforms that carry some of the old shows. But you've

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Speaker 1: been doing this now for how long have you been

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Speaker 1: looking for mysterious almost legendary creatures in water on TV?

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Speaker 1: On TV? Well, I mean River Monsters, and it's sort

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Speaker 1: think twelve eleven years now. So yeah, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of episodes out there, so there are fans who still

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Speaker 1: haven't seen all the episodes. Yeah, lots of lots of

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Speaker 1: strange creatures, fish and other other things under the water

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Speaker 1: all around the world. And it's been great. And nah,

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Speaker 1: in yeah, Stories of the Deep we stay with some creatures,

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Speaker 1: but we take things out into other yeah, which I

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Speaker 1: of the Deepness on Discovery, is that the way it shot,

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Speaker 1: That some of the stuff, it looks like you can do.

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Speaker 1: Like they're shooting some of the This is a I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of I remember I work in media, so I

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Speaker 1: it looks like some of these were shot maybe hopefully

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Speaker 1: closer to home, because I used to look and you go,

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Speaker 1: when does this guy ever have time for a life?

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Speaker 1: He's in a little boat with the Amazon and that

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Speaker 1: you know, you got to have time to be dad

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Speaker 1: or you know, husband or something. Yeah. Well, well liver monsters,

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Speaker 1: very very much of a full time job. With Mysteries

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Speaker 1: looking into the folklore surrounding these creatures, because again, where

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Speaker 1: In Mysteries of the Deep, you kind of bring in

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