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Speaker 1: When you first got to the league. Who's the first

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Speaker 1: person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: It was saying Cassette, Man, our first game was my

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Speaker 2: first game?

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Speaker 3: Who point that I am? Two point Jesus man.

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Speaker 2: We was, We was all together.

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Speaker 4: You can tell me about the league the night before,

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Speaker 4: you know, the veteran oo and my adrenaline, and plus

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Speaker 4: he wants you championships here, so you probably know you

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Speaker 4: probably want to put the heat on me anyway, because

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Speaker 4: he wanted to. A young fellow was coming. But it

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Speaker 4: was the first game of us. Welcome to the NBA.

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Speaker 2: Straight up?

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Speaker 3: How many times did he get you with that pump

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Speaker 3: fight with the pump.

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Speaker 2: Fact, I'm just like, don't jump, don't.

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Speaker 1: Jump, screen and roll pull up at the free throw line.

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Speaker 1: Just two points? Did he post you up?

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Speaker 4: I mean, of course you already know that jump that high,

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Speaker 4: but he still won't get that shot of him.

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Speaker 3: Man, what yo yo yo?

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Speaker 5: Live on location Me and the blackest one, I still

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Speaker 5: stay in our ass safely at home here in Orlando,

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Speaker 5: but today live on location from Sugarland, Texas, h Town Shawty.

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Speaker 3: We got a very special.

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Speaker 5: Guest man, one of the best to ever do it

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Speaker 5: in the NBA. Aka wink Dog representing the DMV area,

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Speaker 5: one of the all time greats and my former teammates

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Speaker 5: City we got thief franchise.

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Speaker 3: Francis. Appreciate you pulling up on us.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Man that out this week, so cool, straight up word

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Speaker 6: to Comba Park, Maryland.

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Speaker 1: Man, Like we usually start off, you know, talking about

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Speaker 1: high school. But like, man, I feel like like your

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Speaker 1: journey and.

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Speaker 7: And your game is just a product of the streets.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They ain't just start off

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Speaker 1: more before high school. So like, just tell us about

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Speaker 1: just growing up in Tacoma Park and the environment and

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Speaker 1: just how it wasn't that how you got to playing

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Speaker 4: I think just like y'all, like everybody, you got to

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Speaker 4: have a support system when you're young, and either fortunate

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Speaker 4: or unfortunately, a lot of us didn't grow up with

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Speaker 4: you know, shoes or the best outfits to go.

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Speaker 2: So we made shift.

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Speaker 4: We played in the streets, we played in the alleys,

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Speaker 4: we played in our rooms. I know y'all did the

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Speaker 4: same thing right now. So it started there then, as

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Speaker 4: I grew up and just just something else to do

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Speaker 4: to beat hanging with the older guys, and you know,

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Speaker 4: so that's how I kind of started playing like that

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Speaker 5: Tell me when you first started to realize, like, you

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, I'm I'm I'm kind of all

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, was it was it the neighborhood kids

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Speaker 5: started recking? Now your partners or how what was it

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Speaker 2: I think? And I was like, I think I was thirteen.

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Speaker 4: We had a U turned me the Cold Fairhouse and

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Speaker 4: at the time, I think Walk was playing in og

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Speaker 4: Wiz was playing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm you know, I'm sure. I'm like five three,

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Speaker 4: front the older you know, the older the older guys,

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Speaker 2: Eight seconds left.

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Speaker 4: And my coach at all and I wasn't you know,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't the best player in the team, but I

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Speaker 4: Man, I was thirteen and I had a four point

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Speaker 4: play at the top at COVID. I was at thirteen

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Speaker 2: I was just looking around like maybe I could play

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Speaker 4: God God wouldn't I was able to play that same

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Speaker 1: Like it was not heard when I was younger, like

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Speaker 7: I was playing in the program, playing against Anthony.

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Speaker 1: Varna and Larry Hughes and all these grapes from my era,

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Speaker 1: it made me everything, especially when they was betting and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff, because you know, when they betting, you

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Speaker 1: can't get out there and fuck up. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Because the first thing, I'm like, damn young

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Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But it molded our game to get better. Tell us

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Just growing up, y'all know.

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Speaker 4: Watching Muccie play, right, Moochie I'm looking at Movie and

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Speaker 4: Greg Jones and Kirk, I'm looking at Mucci and I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm you know, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not their size. I know that they're in high school

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Speaker 4: they busting everybody in. They going around beating everybody in.

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, you gotta take your hits when

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Speaker 4: you're young, because keep I heard so many stories about

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Speaker 2: I was there with mister Brooks and Twine and then

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Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, I'm like dank you but same way, man,

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Speaker 2: So you know you got it.

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Speaker 4: You got it.

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Speaker 2: You know, my older brothers they.

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Speaker 4: Were, you know, they were scared for me to play

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Speaker 2: So just being able to go out there and see

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Speaker 4: Pulling those shows for me, man, they just always enlightened

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Speaker 5: How did it come to you went to six high

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Speaker 3: How does that happen?

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Speaker 7: A whole lot of practicing man one.

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Speaker 3: Well know that like that out there like Gucci and

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Speaker 5: Look, ill, six high schools, tell me what the hell

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Speaker 4: So look when I when I went to my freshman year,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't as tall, I wasn't as developer as a

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Speaker 4: So you know, I went to high school in the

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Speaker 4: The second semeter. The next year school, I got my

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Speaker 2: Boom.

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Speaker 4: So I'm frustrated in school, you know, going home to

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Speaker 4: and knowing that the school, you know, I really wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I was just more focused on basketball at the time,

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Speaker 4: the bosit team, not not getting any time. So I'm frustrated, Bro,

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Speaker 4: So what I do getting trouble in school, getting trouble

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Speaker 2: And that was the end of my high school career

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Speaker 3: So it's boom boom boom bouncing around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So then after that we moved, transferred school, couldn't play there,

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Speaker 2: That so that's once.

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Speaker 4: There wasn't six different schools whatever everybody say. So it

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Speaker 4: Milk for the Cademorn And never forget that.

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Speaker 3: How was that? Was that the first time being away

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah, now that I think of it, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's a train ride up from DC to Connecticut.

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Speaker 2: But to being a uh, I was.

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Speaker 4: In Maybury, Bro, I'm killing were playing m C I

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Speaker 4: same time. All of those schools we pre gaming them,

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Speaker 4: you know. And then my thing, you know, as I

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Speaker 2: Within that period of time. I was like, man, basketball.

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Speaker 7: Ain't for me.

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Speaker 2: So you know how that is. You know, growing up,

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Speaker 4: Just stayed in that zone, like basketball was re formed,

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Speaker 7: Were doing doing the other stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like you got your ged. That's why I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you got your ged? What made you still believe

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Speaker 1: them four lines, man, that'd be like your safe zone.

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Speaker 1: I can't go to jail, I can't get in trouble.

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Speaker 1: The most you can do is put me on a

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Speaker 4: And so my boys getting locked up, going to jail

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Speaker 4: six weeks, and I was like, yeah, it's you know,

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Speaker 4: my my elementary coach. He talked to me some other coaches,

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Speaker 4: coach Wilson, you know, play day, like all these guys like, yo,

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Speaker 4: you got talents, let me try again. And then I

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Speaker 4: back and I started getting a little bit taller. So

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Speaker 4: that's a confidence, you know.

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Speaker 5: Mus Dad's girls, How did you how did you end

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Speaker 5: up at a juco was this was just about a help,

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Speaker 5: But like D said, some of the coaches and some

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 4: I played for team Maryland. We had a lot of

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Speaker 4: We went down to Florida and played in the tournament

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Speaker 4: Ran, and I didn't really talk to him, so that hey,

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Speaker 3: Like what?

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Speaker 7: What?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 2: So I got out of the parley, got got out

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Speaker 7: We got when you got to college, you started dunking

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Speaker 4: I was dunking a little little bit, but not like

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Speaker 4: I would practice dunks with my boy, know Alex Skas

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Speaker 3: That boy got the track shots down paying.

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Speaker 1: That's why your calves was, that's why your Calves was like.

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Speaker 5: Hey, look though, tell me tell me about the game

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Speaker 5: when you had the quadruple double against Sean Mary and like,

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Speaker 5: tell me about like, like what tell me about that game?

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Speaker 3: Because Trick was a boy. Because Trix was was one

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 3: Top juco player.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I like Paul mcpherrison, I think, yeah,

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Speaker 5: The boy looked like a line back up boy, looked

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, man, yeah, you know that whole I

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Speaker 4: And Tricks was the checking you know. I think he's

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Speaker 4: But man, that was a since game.

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Speaker 2: Man. There was so many college scouts.

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Speaker 4: Then say like after that du double, im very she

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Speaker 2: But I just I just remember.

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Speaker 4: Just can't let that for it go. I can't let

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Speaker 7: So that's when it's the best when you do it

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Speaker 1: When you coming there and do it on the top dog,

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Speaker 1: that's when that's when it really it really getting on.

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Speaker 1: It's really certified when you doing it on the top dog.

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Speaker 1: Was it no question in Maryland? Or did it somebody

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Speaker 1: else almost get you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Samson, Kevin Samson was at Oklahoma. Coach farm was

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Speaker 4: He said he couldn't take another avan, so he he

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Speaker 4: didn't want me to be at home, so he suggested

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Speaker 4: I go to school away.

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Speaker 2: From d C.

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Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what, I always wanted

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Speaker 4: They told me don Nelson was going to draft me.

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Speaker 4: I think for the twenty eight pitch. That was the

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Speaker 4: same draft that Jason Williams got drafted in. So I

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Speaker 4: thought about it. But going to Maryland was lord of

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Speaker 7: Oh, it was the best thing. Cause that that that

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Speaker 7: you're at Meyland.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's what that's oh my god, bro, Like,

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Speaker 5: like did that.

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Speaker 3: What splashed on?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: How was that for you?

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Speaker 5: Coming from everything that you've been through in DC? You

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Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, not really playing in high school,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, moving back and forth between schools,

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Speaker 5: going and you know what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Saying, Juco and now you at Maryland, Like you know.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying, Like that's one of the like if

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Speaker 5: you're from DC, everybody know Maryland. You know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 5: now you at the at the major university and then

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Speaker 3: How was that for you?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: Was it a culture shop getting to the university?

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Speaker 4: It was it felt like I belonged despite the path

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Speaker 4: good grades in high school until you know, my labor

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Speaker 4: But when I felt like I really did, not just

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Speaker 4: at the beat and t tournament at and that was

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Speaker 4: a homecoming to me, Like all those games because you

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Speaker 4: always wanted to play right here and to be able

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Speaker 4: to win that tournament.

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Speaker 2: They beat the breaks off your.

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Speaker 3: Time out, time out.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't no beat the breaks number one, it wasn't

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Speaker 5: no beat the break And it looks it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Look it's crazy because they say that, you know, timeout

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Speaker 3: is the man talk.

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Speaker 7: Let the man talk, Let him finish his story.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, I go after that. Go ahead, Go ahead, right,

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Speaker 3: go ahead.

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Speaker 7: So beat the boy.

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Speaker 1: We started off at beat the breaks off. But that's

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Speaker 1: where you said beat the breaks off.

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Speaker 2: They said they got this fresh que and beat the setons.

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Speaker 2: What they come.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, all right, cool, I see them woman up.

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Speaker 4: So they put this little short woman.

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Speaker 3: I forgot burnout, burnout.

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, they ain't gonna put one of

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Speaker 4: the big guys on me. So after they put one

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Speaker 4: of the big guys on me. So I see you

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Speaker 4: down there playing Moses Alan ball, tapping the ball off the.

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Speaker 1: Guy to itself and you know what I'm saying, the stats,

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Speaker 1: that's all it was, go to the league right now,

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Speaker 1: rather he show get an extra three or four game off,

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Speaker 1: just tipping to itself that game.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just like boxing out man. But yeah, man,

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Speaker 4: that that tournament right there for me that everybody in

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Speaker 4: the city was nationally televisioned. We played Stafford. In that tournament.

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Speaker 2: We won that.

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Speaker 4: Game and we went on the run. We went on

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Speaker 4: to win I think my first ten eleven games before.

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Speaker 2: That was that was a good one for me.

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Speaker 5: That hold up, speaking about that game in that tournament,

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie, because for me, that was early

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Speaker 5: in the season. You know, before you know, uh, you

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Speaker 5: started playing in your league and stuff. So that was

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Speaker 5: like one of the early seasons turning Like for me

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Speaker 5: at that point right there, I knew I was out

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Speaker 5: of here, I said, because like the next day, it's like,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like we played George Washington

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Speaker 5: the day before then we played them, and like he said,

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Speaker 5: every NBA scout was there. It was in the NBA building.

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Speaker 5: It was at the Wizards. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: c I center. But like they were like a top

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Speaker 5: five team and they had a whole starting lineup for

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Speaker 5: everybody was supposed to be projected to go somewhere in

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Speaker 5: do work, and I'm talking, Look, this is what I

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Speaker 5: remember about it.

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Speaker 3: I swear to you.

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Speaker 5: First of all, what about whole girls of high school?

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Speaker 5: Jeorge Jones, Triple Jay, you know it. She she went

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Speaker 5: to Maryland, so the whole time she know one Dixon

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Speaker 5: Larade at all us our LP propulee. She talking thing,

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Speaker 5: nah my boy killed because we went to the same

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Speaker 5: high school, you know, Joey. She's like, nah my BOYQ

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Speaker 5: about to come through. You know what I'm saying. She

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Speaker 5: talking crazy the whole week. Next day, when it's time

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Speaker 5: to leave, this is what I mean. We go to

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Speaker 5: the airport. Bro I'll never forget it. One of my

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Speaker 5: teammates came to me, I'm on the USA today.

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Speaker 3: It was him and it was me. It was like,

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Speaker 3: these two boys is gone.

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Speaker 5: They out of here. I didn't even leave that yet,

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Speaker 5: but they had announced it. After that they was like

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Speaker 5: they naming. It was like it's thirty something scouts here,

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Speaker 5: all of this that and third they like and these

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Speaker 5: two stuck out. I'm like, I'm sitting there like it's

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Speaker 5: over with. I can go when up, I get ready.

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Speaker 5: Now I knew from that day that it was over with.

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Speaker 2: That just gave me chill bumps.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know that you notice that, man, because I

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Speaker 4: was like, I'm looking, I see me.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the front with like this. I remember bunking

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Speaker 2: that thing and you in the layout.

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Speaker 3: I said, yes, dead series.

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Speaker 7: Like you went Maryland and you in the ACC.

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Speaker 1: So in the ACC got North Carolina and it got due.

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Speaker 1: We all and grew up and seen some North Carolina

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Speaker 1: and some Duke games. But like, how was it when

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Speaker 1: you had them times the first time when you had

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Speaker 1: to play against the historic North Carolina, the historic Duke

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Speaker 1: and my success Kian, you know a history within them?

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Speaker 1: How was it when you played going into the games

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Speaker 1: were tough? You know Elton Trade and well Duke in

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Speaker 1: North Carolina and Cota.

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Speaker 4: And some other guys, so it was it was tough, man,

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Speaker 4: just a mistique of those teams going to Duke, going

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Speaker 4: but uh they had Ronald Curry at the time, so

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Speaker 4: I had. You know, for me, it was just I

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Speaker 4: get to play against the best competition on TV and

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Speaker 4: ever the world is a judge now, so that was

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Speaker 4: a challenge for me. But you know, playing against Duke

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Speaker 4: coach k you put a box in one had Chris

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Speaker 4: Carro you know that on you too. We had a

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Speaker 4: boxing on o Q. Yeah, we put a boxing on Q.

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Speaker 4: Got a pocket like that guy got real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a boxing y'all remember that. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: so we went in.

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Speaker 4: We're in, Duke man and all these people, all the

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Speaker 2: Really and I'm here, I'm and it was just that reading.

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Speaker 7: I heard that chap before.

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Speaker 3: S a t all.

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Speaker 2: And they just yelling, yelling, yelling. I'm just like, wow,

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Speaker 2: this is this is real Tobacco Road.

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Speaker 3: I loved you. I loved I got my shot to

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Speaker 3: go up and do and hope. I look the little fans.

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Speaker 5: It's no funny when you underneath the little stands and

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Speaker 3: I said, yeah, it's cool. I did my work. We lost.

448
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 5: We took an somebody banked the three from the top

449
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 5: of the key bro a Center bank the three from

450
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,160
Speaker 5: the top of the key clutch moment of the game.

451
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 3: That's how we lose. And this was Jay Will.

452
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 5: We played ling them two of the at the United

453
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 5: Center the year before, though, So I had my I

454
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 5: had my little you know, Duke felt me, Elton felt

455
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 5: what was going on?

456
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 4: Man? Look when I used to see you, bully, I

457
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 4: was like, man, you know, he don't say that too much.

458
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 3: Devid. I don't like to give me no credit on him.

459
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 4: Man.

460
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 5: He always said I couldn't play no defense, and I

461
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 5: ain't get a lot of dunks on nobody.

462
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, I remember help shot.

463
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 7: You remember how Coatino used to bust up as I'm

464
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 7: saying that dirty left.

465
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: You know that dirty left.

466
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 5: I told Katino myself he was my teammate and the

467
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 5: Big three, and he is responsible my first two years

468
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 5: probably for about fifty percent of my turnover. But after

469
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 5: that second year, you saw when I went home in.

470
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: Chicago and got with Tim Grove hoops.

471
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 5: The whole sum it was keep the ball here and

472
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 5: I got over the moving on.

473
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 7: Hey well, I got drafted.

474
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: New Jersey had the first pick, Vancouver had the second pick,

475
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: and the Clippers had the third pick. So it was

476
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: a it was a fifty to fifty chance that I

477
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: was gonna get picked number one, Me and Kenyan Martin.

478
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: So at the last five minutes before they were two

479
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: men's before they decided to pick, they chose Kenyan Martin.

480
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: So my mama was like, my child is not going

481
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 1: to no Vancouver, so they better not pick him, and

482
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: looking at my agent, so they called. But they were like, no,

483
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: we don't want another Stevie franchise moment, so we're gonna.

484
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 7: Pass on him and get stro Mile.

485
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 1: And I ain't even work out for the Clippers and

486
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: I got picked from the Clippers third.

487
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 7: So when you got drafted, where did you want to go?

488
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: Because I know you didn't want to go there, but

489
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: where did you really want to go?

490
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: I definitely wanted to go to Chicago? Man, I went there.

491
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 4: I went to Dfield and my brother you know places there,

492
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 4: the whole misteaker me wearing number twenty three, and like

493
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 4: I was excited. Yeah, crowds winded, don me, took me

494
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 4: to every place in Chicago and h it was to me.

495
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 4: I thought it was a go. But you know, things

496
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 4: didn't work out. So I knew Vancouver wasn't going to

497
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 4: drive me. I told him. So we were in depth

498
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: with conversations with Charlotte with coach Paul salad To talking

499
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: to them and uh so Vancouver flew to DC came

500
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 4: to meet me at the crime They said you gotta

501
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 4: wear jacket, so I came straight from the workout, striking

502
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 4: the gym. I was like, man, I told them I

503
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 4: don't want to be there because actually Tamiko had a

504
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: game in DC.

505
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 2: The mississ was plan.

506
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to go to the game

507
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 4: instead of meet with step and Brian Hill, right, So

508
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 4: I'm like, I was like, you know, I just had

509
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 4: my gills. So they gave me a jacket there. I

510
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 4: said the meeting with my agent and for like five

511
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 4: minutes like yeah, I'm gone, man, because I didn't want

512
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: to shoot them though bs and try to say that

513
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 4: I think I feel comfortable playing there.

514
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: So I rolled up.

515
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 7: One more thing about about the draft.

516
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 1: When I got drafted, Houston had the ninth pick, and

517
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: I went to visit Houston and worked out with Houston,

518
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: and I fell in love with Rudy and went again

519
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: and just the just the environment of just how Houston was,

520
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: just the city and just you know how cool Rudy

521
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: T was. So I wanted them to move up to

522
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: actually get me. How was Rudy T coming in.

523
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 4: It was it was such an easy transition because he

524
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 4: wanted to know what what I like, what positions he

525
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 4: he's at the time he had Scottie A King, Charles Barkley,

526
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 4: all those guys, and when he traded for me and

527
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 4: had me with Kemah and Charles. He set me down

528
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 4: and explained, Hey, they're going to try to demand the ball,

529
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 4: demand the ball for me all the time, but I

530
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 4: still want you to learn how to be a player

531
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: in this league. You know, they demanded He said, I'm

532
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 4: gonna let you make your own judgments, and you know

533
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 4: times those vests they didn't like that I would keep

534
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 4: the ball. But you know, I knew that they were

535
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 4: kind of in and out of the game, So it

536
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 4: kind of helped me early on learn how to be

537
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 4: a Floyd by him let me.

538
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 5: You know, how was that though, to come in you

539
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 5: coming in as a rookie, you know what I'm saying,

540
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 5: and you you playing with these guys you've been looking

541
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 5: up to forever like like fifty playing not just like

542
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, all started like these are

543
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 5: all time legends in the game, Like Charles, I came

544
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 5: skuy like these his top fifty grades all time. Like

545
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 5: how was that the play alongside those guys as a

546
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 5: rookie coming in a.

547
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 4: Dull except me, probably time for All Star like after

548
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: the Dug contest to really know the magnitude of the

549
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 4: people I was playing with, because you know, your rookie year.

550
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 4: Everything is new, You're not, you said, you know, I

551
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 4: used to eating like that, So everything is new and.

552
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm learning this on the on the whim and I

553
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: used to the plane.

554
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 4: So I didn't really have time early on just learning

555
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 4: the media schedule, the city. Then we had to go

556
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: do autographs and like all the things that come with

557
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 4: it that consumes your time besides the actual game, and

558
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 4: so I had to, you know, I had time to

559
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: think allsop breaking. People are like, yo, you get an

560
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: autograph from King, and I'm like, man, I don't get

561
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 4: it for myself. You know what I'm saying. I never

562
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: ad I'm not going to ask her, you know, so

563
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 4: I wait to the something and I asked Keith the training, Hey, man,

564
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 4: I take that in the co ahead and ask them.

565
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: But it was overwhelming, man, and the professional is the

566
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 4: way that King showed me really stuck with me to

567
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 4: this day. As far as Chuck Man, he just I

568
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: don't know.

569
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of the All Star break, I remember being in

570
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: high school watching that All Star weekend, and like the

571
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: last twenty years has been because of that All Star Weekend.

572
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: Y'all don't contest the last twenty years of dunk contests

573
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: and then the Jack Zach Levines and the Aaron Gordon's

574
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: and all this exciting that we've seen it because of y'all,

575
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: because y'all brought it back.

576
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

577
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: It was it was hot in the eighties early nineties,

578
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 1: then it kind of died down, and then you Vince

579
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: and t Maac like brought that back. Like looking back

580
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: on it now, and how everybody appreciate that All Star

581
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: a weekend in that Dunk contest, even though you didn't win.

582
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 7: How do you feel about that?

583
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 4: I got to see the celebrities I wanted to always see,

584
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, everybody was at the game.

585
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: I was able to sit bump shoulders and being at

586
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: that whole bubble atmosphere. This is what it's like to

587
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: be a professional athlete, businessman, role modeling all those things

588
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: at once, and it comes at you fast.

589
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: As you guys know. And I wasn't really overwhelmed.

590
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 4: Like I said, I felt that I belonged, but I

591
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 4: just felt so happy that I was able to.

592
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: Step in with Doctor J.

593
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 4: You know, even though they weren't at the and they

594
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: weren't into the contest, but just to know that they

595
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 4: did this record that life was you.

596
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, I can I can remember like watching that

597
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 5: and just saying like yo, I just I could literally

598
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 5: remember I just.

599
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: Was playing against him last year.

600
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like for real, like this

601
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 5: is like you know what I'm saying, like to see

602
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like think about it. It

603
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 5: was less than six months ago. I just played you

604
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 5: at the BB and T joint And now you know

605
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, I'm watching in real time.

606
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 3: I could have went to the draft. I didn't go.

607
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 5: I watched all y'all boys from Elton to be to

608
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 5: you all y'all get dressed now and watching you like, oh,

609
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 5: this man is at the center stage right now, like

610
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: you saying, you in the bubble atmosphere, but like now

611
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 5: the same way I'm sitting at home.

612
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: You got the people.

613
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: Clamoring over you, like yo, this boy putting it Like

614
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 5: so when you walked through the lobbyist going nuts, I

615
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 5: already know you know what I'm saying Like that, Like

616
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 5: that was like a complete like how was that to

617
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 5: experience that on that level, to like go from watching

618
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 5: the show and watching the event like now you you

619
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 5: center stage you are the show.

620
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: Like any rookie thing that you do, like, you're gonna

621
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: make mistakes. You're gonna be too early, you gonna be

622
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: too late. You're gonna sign You're not gonna sign up.

623
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 4: You're gonna wear something different. So you know, you know,

624
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: the learning curve is all about what you make it.

625
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 4: And I mean, of course you're gonna have veters. You're

626
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: gonna try to show you but normally something vester's gonna

627
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: be cleaning their own way that leads you the wrong

628
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: way to laugh.

629
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 7: At you up, you know, right.

630
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 4: The busses at eight, really the buses at nine or

631
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: might get seven, right, so you offer sit in the

632
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: back of the bus and laugh. So you know, I

633
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: know y'all had so many experiences like that, you know,

634
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: but that mold is the NBA life, man. I think

635
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: that's some of the things that humbled a lot of us,

636
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 4: that there was a unity of brothers all time.

637
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 5: How did you feel when you when you were gonna

638
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 5: be the couple boy on ESPN with like and you

639
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 5: know you in Houston they got you up there with

640
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: Desty said, I can remember that joint coming out like damn.

641
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: This boy in the world.

642
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you you right there, Like how was that

643
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 5: like not just used to like Hughson like that, like

644
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 5: that meant something for the city, Like how did that

645
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: feel for that?

646
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: I think I think that they looked at it as

647
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: a city, and I mean, of course ESPN looked at

648
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 4: it a way as a new birth for haqueen you

649
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: know about you know, on its way out, and they seem,

650
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 4: you know, it's a young town for the for the

651
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: organization and the city and of course Destey Child glowing

652
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: up at the same time.

653
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Uh So, I mean why not, you know, and this

654
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: was starting to build up.

655
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 4: A lot of the economic girls were starting to come with,

656
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: you know, us bringing money to the city and getting

657
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: ready to build the Toyota Center. So I think it

658
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 4: was a great marketing playing by both ESB and in

659
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: the Rockets and whatever you know company that Destiny Child's with.

660
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 5: First of all, to be in the league is a

661
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: small fraternity of small percent with the percent get so

662
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 5: much smaller when you talk about those of us, not

663
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 5: just in the NBA but in sports who get to

664
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 5: have a signature shoe you had, you know what I'm saying,

665
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: a signature shoe for however many years, like how was

666
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 5: that for you being that kid that came from the corner,

667
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, doing whatever you did, and

668
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: you growing up by you know everybody. We always too

669
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 5: poor to want to get Jordan's in the best shoe.

670
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 5: But like now you got your own shoe. How was

671
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 5: that for you to get a you know, to get

672
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 5: your branded shoe.

673
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: It was overwhelming for me, man, you know, just to

674
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: help desire my own shoe, to help, you know, be

675
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 4: in the same talk with other guys like Michael Jordan's

676
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: signature shoe at the time, Trus Barki Pennies, Gary Payton kids,

677
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: all the legendary shoes came out around that time. She

678
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 4: Shoes came an all shoot. So for me to have

679
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: my safe signature show, I think Kobe was with the

680
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: beat it at the time, So I was happy, man.

681
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: And if you ever noticed, I think my fourth year

682
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: with him, I would every city be winning. The color

683
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: of my shoe would change, so we're in la i'ld

684
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 4: have a black and yellow or black and red against

685
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 4: you guys. So that was always a good thing for me.

686
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 4: And you know, the sponsorship for my grass shotes programs

687
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: is always great.

688
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dope, man.

689
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: One of my favorite highlights your rookie year. It's against

690
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: my man, our homeboy. And I hate to even put

691
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: my man out there, but I got to talk about

692
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: this because every time I see it, it's just like, damn,

693
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: my man.

694
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 7: Te Hood Southern Illinois represented, my guy, He'll stay represented.

695
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 7: I know you see this highlight. They probably show this.

696
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: They probably send this highlight to you every day on

697
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: your Instagram or something like that.

698
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 7: Take us back to that highlight of the mix up

699
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 7: with Tea Hood.

700
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: Honestly, I was manag y'all.

701
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: Y'all too about nothing problem.

702
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: Y'all just probably had too much funny Heulton y'all was

703
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: probably showing off for something. So I remember, oh being

704
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: a keasey with a Maryland. He was sitting on the floor.

705
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 4: He was talking cash trash to me, man cass track,

706
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: and I just remember looking at the bench and was coach, Gentry,

707
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 4: your coach.

708
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 7: This was the year before. This is the year before

709
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 7: this year before we got there.

710
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: They had the other jerseys, so they had Keith Closs

711
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: and all them on the squad. They had them old

712
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: school clipperserves. This was the year before we got there.

713
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: Your rookie year.

714
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: My bad. I say, like all the clip, every cuper

715
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 4: was on that bench, every clip of enemy.

716
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: Everybody was just.

717
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: Yelling on the side, and I was like, I think

718
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: old Candy was on the bitch.

719
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was like, man, I wants to just

720
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: practicing something earlier. So he was playing at that tough

721
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: d that that d like I'm trying to strict and

722
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: he got to hit a couple of shots on me too,

723
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: so he just left me on the island. I told

724
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: Walt forget the pick, and I was like, man, I'm

725
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 4: just try something over. And I knew big Keith crosses

726
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: right there. I knew I wasn't duck on from that far,

727
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: so I just stopped and just pulled up. But as

728
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 4: far as it moves, I didn't plan him just a

729
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: waiting on my body, the rhythm that I was in,

730
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. I didn't playing nothing. It

731
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: was just the way he was playing.

732
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 3: That was one of the craziest mixed up boy period,

733
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 3: Like that was crazy. Hit him with a whole lot.

734
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 5: Of hands on your knees, raising little heads's and everything.

735
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: I was just like, man, what when I seen it back,

736
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: it just seemed like it was like that, just like

737
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 4: you got any movies do just so fast you never really.

738
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: But you ain't have to bag back out and.

739
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 7: Problem.

740
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: We're gonna start this thing over with. I'm gonna running

741
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: back and then.

742
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 5: And then yeah, when you did the float, I said, man,

743
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 5: here and did a little top kick.

744
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: I said, you all out of pocket. Man.

745
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: That was being the government on that side, man, you know,

746
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 4: and they just wanted to you know, every back. Then

747
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 4: we look for highlights win and lost, because you know

748
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: we were both both teams are in rebuilding, you know

749
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 4: when y'all started this and all of that, Like, we'll

750
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: rebuilding if you don't have fun. Like I said to Morf,

751
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 4: you don't have fun where you work at. Man, it's hard.

752
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 4: It's hard. You gotta be able to be yourself, you know,

753
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 4: to blow some of that that negative energy away.

754
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: From I wanted to ask you, uh, like I'm I'm

755
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: big on systems, like with coaches, coaches, what system they

756
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: run all y'all plays was just iceo because like every

757
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: time we played, y'all this iceo mo, Taylor ice o

758
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: wall ice.

759
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 7: So continoo moochi.

760
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 3: So this is what you heard this?

761
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 7: You heard shake one shah shake one shake for.

762
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 5: They shake my tailor.

763
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: He iceo market hit him with the left and right

764
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: and go crat. Hold on, ain't shaking anything here, just

765
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: shake shake ford sake shake thing.

766
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, hold on, I'm stuck over here with coatino.

767
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 5: He he all listen. I'm I'm looking around. It ain't

768
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: nobody here but him. Everybody standing over there like, oh

769
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 5: here cat, I'm like, what type of office is this?

770
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: Right up?

771
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 4: Every time we play, because y'all we know, y'all give

772
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: it a domo, and every game we had to give

773
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 4: it to him. I wasn't even worried about school. We played,

774
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 4: y'all know, and I knew y'all knew.

775
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: I don't bet. I had to check him. I knew

776
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: it wasn't mine.

777
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 5: I said, I ain't gotta go worry about the Contino

778
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 5: too much tonight because they got.

779
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: To defer exactly.

780
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: So it was great, man, and I think like our

781
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: series against each other, even though we were at we

782
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 4: worked the best team. But the battles I don't think

783
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: they were blowouts.

784
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: You know, we played.

785
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: Three or four possessions of each game. I'm term of

786
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: hardcore games or all of you.

787
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 1: We ever played against Like just the way y'all played

788
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: and the way we played it was like it's it

789
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: was so entertaining, you know what I'm saying, the way

790
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: both of us played. One most thing I wanted to

791
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: ask you about that one of the guys I came

792
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: up with, came out of my class was Eddie Griffin.

793
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.

794
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: He was my guy.

795
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: Real cool, dude, real I do. How was it to

796
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: play with Eddie Griffin? And you know know he passed away?

797
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: But how was to play with Eddie Griffin?

798
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: King Man just got chipbox again.

799
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 4: King took him under his wing man and like he's

800
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 4: seen the capability to him to block shots and to

801
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 4: step out always say dream like, Man, I wish I

802
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 4: could shoot like this kid. I wish I had, you know,

803
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 4: the length and the tenderness of Eddie to be because

804
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: I used to run picking rolls with Eddie Man.

805
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 2: He would bail me out of so.

806
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: Many overlooking the shot clock or they'll posts of it

807
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 4: to find me cutting and things like that. And I

808
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 4: you know, I got a lot of his stuff in

809
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: here man in my office, and you know it was

810
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: hard for me because uh, you know, he was one

811
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: of the guys from Philly, a young kid who I

812
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: think he was.

813
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: He was right there at the threshold breaking you know

814
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: that you got that, you went through.

815
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 7: Cold, went out of high school. He chose to go

816
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 7: see No, he was the number one player in my CAUs.

817
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that man. He went to cheat the

818
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 4: hall man. But what he got I just you know

819
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I wish I could have spent more

820
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: time with him. But he was a good teammate and

821
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: he and he wanted to play basketball.

822
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 7: That real good dude. Shout out he gril.

823
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 5: Tell me, how was it when you when you there,

824
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 5: you know, you're doing your thing, and then you get

825
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 5: you get blessed with y'all y'all, I mean, y'a mean

826
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 5: come through bro. Like then y'all get to be like

827
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 5: like like it's twofold because it did something for y'all

828
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 5: as a team. But like everybody know during that time,

829
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 5: the y'all mean and the whole China effect like that

830
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 5: sent you globally go like you went crazy because you

831
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 5: was that start next to him.

832
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: How how was that the.

833
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 5: Impact that that he had coming to the team as

834
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 5: far as a teammate and then like, how did that

835
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 5: impact you as far as the China win.

836
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: I think that alone me was the closest elements and

837
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 4: seeing the rockstorm, so imagine we get every day with

838
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 4: the media attention with y'all and the magnitude that and

839
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: the country of China that he represented. And for me,

840
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 4: it taught me to be calm and to be patient

841
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: because this man has a whole country who's depending on

842
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: him to take care of their country, to be the

843
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 4: initiated to break the barrier of the sport that they

844
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 4: all love over there. And you go to China, you

845
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: see all kids on the court everywhere day and night,

846
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: trying to emulate some basketball players. But for him to

847
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: take that big step, you know, I was happy for him, man,

848
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: just to see that.

849
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: How proud was you to see how y'all was like

850
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: matching up with Shaq, how he was getting better every year? Yeah,

851
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: that match up, because that match it was a dominant

852
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: match up off of the show, the big guy off

853
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: him dunking every time, and then all of a sudden,

854
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: y'all hitting jumpers and he's a threat. Now he made

855
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: Shack respect them too.

856
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was.

857
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 4: I was just so happy because at first I don't

858
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 4: think that he was scared. He was little nervous how

859
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: he would respond to Shaq's flurry of dunks. He knew

860
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: that he couldn't you know, over power, but he wanted

861
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 4: to play good to earn his respect. Winter lost. He

862
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: just wanted the shacks. He played hard and for him

863
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 4: to get better and you know, work on this outside

864
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 4: game and prepare for that game. It was like seeing

865
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 4: your brother grew up to you know, shoot backward shots man,

866
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 4: y'all started laying. So it was a good feeling for me.

867
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I play.

868
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 5: I played with U with Wayne z Z when we

869
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 5: were in LA and he was like kind of a

870
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 5: little older, but he knew y'all and stuff like that,

871
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 5: and he kind of he was always somebody that was,

872
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 5: like you say, extremely patient. He could just just be

873
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 5: calm and like deal with anything. But like when Dodger

874
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 5: was Dodgers one of the coolest teammates. Man, those dudes

875
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 5: gotta they have a quiet and a kind of like

876
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 5: they might not want you to know it, but they'd

877
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 5: be having some funny ass sense of humors man.

878
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly.

879
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 4: And and I think some of that rubbed off, you know,

880
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: I was I was happy, and I was impressed by

881
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: the comments that he had under the pressure of playing

882
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: against act his first time, the media, people asking if

883
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: you know English and all those things. You go to hotels.

884
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna tell you, man, one day I took

885
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 4: them to a club here in Houston. They couldn't leave.

886
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: Hold on. You walked him hop you walked into hip

887
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: hop club with y'all me.

888
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 2: Of course, it was Muccie's idea.

889
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 8: So you know, Mouci talked them into it. Muci talked tonight.

890
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 8: Of course, muchI, of course you did. Mucci is listen.

891
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say what, but we all remember how

892
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 5: he used to ride around with the Fred extursion with

893
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 5: the videos.

894
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fell asleep in there a lot of nights.

895
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 2: The airport.

896
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 7: We use a Houston man.

897
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: Like one thing I loved about just y'all and y'all team,

898
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: just the bond, the bond you you, Mouchi and Contino

899
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: and Walt and then just how cool and close y'all. Y'all,

900
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: y'all remind us of us. You know what I'm saying,

901
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: How cool and close we was just just tell about

902
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: the bond man, how y'all just used to eat sleep

903
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: like like everything together, you know what I'm saying, Like

904
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: I was there in Houston and having it in Houston,

905
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: like you.

906
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 4: Said, Walk Williams, like they bought that Cato, Like those

907
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 4: guys brought that whole Portland at me because you remember

908
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 4: when they lost the sandy, So that Portland team is

909
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 4: the main oat meal. Walk, Hey, oh my god, I

910
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 4: forgot Cak did it was good enough to win the championship.

911
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 4: So some of those players that came over from the

912
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: Scotty Pitty trade that that was involved with myself, they

913
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 4: bought that family orientation from Portland over to us. So

914
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: we had a king man. He was a god father.

915
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: So all of us kind of blended.

916
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: But the younger group of myself to called Katino, Lucie

917
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: and Keny, No, all of us were able. We were

918
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 4: rudy'scored guys that he wanted to be together so we

919
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 4: can make the one simper was san Antonio did. But

920
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 4: they stuck with their court, and you know, when we

921
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: got sick in our court was kind of broken up.

922
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 4: But that's what we learned from those guys from that

923
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,439
Speaker 4: order us to look out for each other.

924
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: All of us.

925
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 7: You know, when we get in it.

926
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: We get in the league, and you know, we want

927
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: to play and score the points, but we really want

928
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: to play the play in the playoffs and get on

929
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: that stage.

930
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 7: So when you first played in the playoffs and then

931
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 7: the first playoff series, like, how was it for you?

932
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 4: The game was faster, you know, the flowers were harder

933
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 4: and crowd out, the popcorn taste.

934
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 7: Better, everything you wanted.

935
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they dressed better, the ticket price and the games

936
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: were on the line.

937
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 7: Man.

938
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 4: And when you go to La your first playoff experience

939
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 4: to play against the Lakers, I mean, what else could

940
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: you want at the time with Shaquillo and there recipes

941
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 4: to Kobe man like to play those guys first playoff experiences.

942
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: I agree. And of course, you know you get to

943
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: see Jack Nicholas that you've always watched on NBC when

944
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: it comes on, you see him and l A, you

945
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: see Maggice Johnson's acy.

946
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: Grade going thereat cause you know, so it was it was.

947
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: It was definitely a great opportunity.

948
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 5: Hey, so tell me this man, we did all us

949
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 5: here to dealt with it, how was it for you? Like, well,

950
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 5: you dealt with it initially, but that don't really count.

951
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 5: How was it when you got traded from Houston to Orlando.

952
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: It was shocking, you know. Uh.

953
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: The shocking part was that I actually talked to the

954
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 4: coach that week. I was like, if you want trade

955
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 4: it that me.

956
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

957
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 7: It always happened. Why they.

958
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Everybody's story is that, in my face, ain't nothing I

959
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: canna do about you trading.

960
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 7: Fly about and.

961
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm on vacation, I'm chilling and I can see somebody like, yo,

962
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: you're about to get traded. I was like, yeah, right,

963
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: I just told him Jeff, Yeah, yeah. I was like,

964
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 4: so the next day, who on the trade man?

965
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 2: So dang? So then I was like, who's the g M?

966
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 4: Then they told me the general manage for the manager

967
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 4: was a former guy who was a hockey guy. He

968
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: really didn't know too much about basketball. So I was like, yeah, look,

969
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: I brought to Donald Trump and I don't even like

970
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 4: Donald Trump.

971
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 7: See the service Dave to get about it?

972
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: My dream? I was right, I just I was, and

973
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: I just.

974
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: Didrich I'm gonna trade me now, So I was. I

975
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 4: was a little torn because I just finished right right.

976
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: That was the real part.

977
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: One thing when I left the Clippers, like I didn't

978
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: see how good I actually had it, Like how it

979
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: was like what I was used to, how good I

980
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: actually had When I got traded from the Clippers.

981
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 7: It was like, oh, ship, I thought every team we're

982
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 7: supposed to be like that. Toe youm like this shit

983
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 7: is different over here.

984
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: That's going from eating christ Do you know that? Oh?

985
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 7: They won seventeen games last year?

986
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 3: Andre Miller led.

987
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 7: The league and assists on the worst team in the NBA.

988
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 3: It's what made him amazing.

989
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 7: Like I lose him, I lose the assist leader.

990
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 5: They trade me for him, like like, ah, hey, one

991
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 5: thing about what you said getting traded, Like when I

992
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 5: got traded from Phoenix it was the same thing.

993
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 3: But I was on vacation. We had just finished.

994
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 5: We were sixty two and twenty, the best team record

995
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 5: wise in her whole regular season. We lost to the

996
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 5: eventual world champion Spurs that year. We got eliminated by them.

997
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 5: They went on the winning So we're feeling good on vacation.

998
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 5: I'm in New York. I'm doing a Jordan photoshoop commercial.

999
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 5: It was a commercial back then because we had a

1000
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 5: we had a we had a photo shoot and a

1001
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 5: commercial in the video. It's from Common was part of

1002
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 5: the little ad campaign common Sense. And it was me

1003
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 5: Mellow and to O and Common in Brooklyn doing the video.

1004
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 5: Da Da Da da da doing the commercial shoe. I

1005
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: went on one O six in part the next day

1006
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 5: or something. The day after that, get a call it

1007
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 5: like the ass crack.

1008
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 3: Of the moaning from my agent. Hell you calling me folk?

1009
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 3: Now mind you?

1010
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 5: I had just played my first season in things like

1011
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 5: the whole season. I was signed a six year deal, right,

1012
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 5: so the first season I ended up, I was building

1013
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 5: a house.

1014
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: So they had put me in like a least house.

1015
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 5: While I was building that one house, like seven minutes

1016
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,479
Speaker 5: from the house I'm living, and I'm back and forth

1017
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 5: to there every day, checking out the practice, looking at

1018
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 5: the progress. Bro the house just got complete. They filling

1019
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 5: the pool up right. I had a crazy pool. It

1020
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 5: was like I had my backyard was like raising rapids.

1021
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 5: See if I had two separate pools being connected by

1022
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 5: a lazy river. It was all that I don't even

1023
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 5: want to talk about because I still get emotional about it.

1024
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 5: But it was all that, right, So look the pool

1025
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 5: gets filled. Them some of them, some of them bitches

1026
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 5: traded me. The next thing, I ain't never get to go.

1027
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 5: I was supposed to go back from New York back

1028
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 5: to Arizona, take it out and be all like before first,

1029
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna.

1030
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: Go over there and mess with it. Hey, I never went.

1031
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: I didn't even go back.

1032
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 5: Next time I went back to Arizona was for the

1033
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 5: physical because I had some insurance stuff.

1034
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: Without back, I had to go to New York and

1035
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: boom boom bull. But I was so mad.

1036
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 5: I was like, no, I'm gonna do everything. I can't

1037
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 5: stay nowhere with there don't want me. But I was

1038
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 5: so I was so hurt. Like you said, you just

1039
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 5: built at least you kept your career, right, I ain't.

1040
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 5: I ain't stepped toe up in there. I told my

1041
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: people to get rid of it. I did make a

1042
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 5: nice piece of change. I made a nice piece of

1043
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: change out of it, though, I will say that that

1044
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 5: was the one good thing. But now that was like

1045
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 5: one of the disappointments in my career that I didn't get.

1046
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: To do that.

1047
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 4: I could imagine that, man, But I mean I should

1048
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 4: have known, because King got traded from the rockets.

1049
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: To watch anybody right up now.

1050
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: The big city is in the big city. You know

1051
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: his way to the city, to the city. You know,

1052
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: we always wanted to play in the garden. Everybody want

1053
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: to play in the garden, the dirty garden. So like

1054
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: you know when you heard you going to the next

1055
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: and you're looking at the roster and you're about to

1056
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: go into garden, Like what you excited?

1057
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 7: Or was it like you like me going to Cleveland, Like,

1058
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 7: oh that ship is want.

1059
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: To be me? Uh, I was actually playing Jersey before.

1060
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, we played against in that and uh we stayed

1061
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 4: over night and had some friends up in DC, were

1062
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 4: just chilling and uh, I was having a kind of

1063
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 4: an issue with coach.

1064
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: Brian Hill myself. One.

1065
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 4: He didn't like me from the Vancouver so I already

1066
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 4: knew and he tried to say he didn't. He had

1067
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 4: nothing to do with the reason why. So don't forget Brian.

1068
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 4: He was a guy who drafted me in Van Cool.

1069
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 3: Right, I got you, I got you.

1070
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 7: He finally got your.

1071
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: Nobody he's the.

1072
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 4: Coach there, nobody there like he's not upset about it.

1073
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 4: I'm like, so I'm looking at my my playing time,

1074
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 4: demeaning everything. Everything is going down, and I know, you know,

1075
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 4: the White is a great young athlete, a great young time,

1076
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 4: and they're ready to build that team around the white

1077
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 4: So Grant, you know, Grant Hills, Great Hills. He's a politician.

1078
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 4: He's not really gonna say too much. But me, he's

1079
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 4: not gonna say too much. You played with him and Fingers.

1080
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 4: He's a great guy. You Yeah, I love him, you

1081
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. A good brother to me. He's

1082
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 4: always been. And I wanted some action that I wanted

1083
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 4: coming from Houston, having a great career, great time in Atlanta,

1084
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 4: probably average twenty two or something like that. I'm like, yeah,

1085
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 4: I'm ready to play it, and they were. It was

1086
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 4: slowing the game down. Patino's gone on there with the

1087
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: younger white they're trying to develop. I just came from

1088
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 4: this Houston situation and it's another year of the white development.

1089
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: Let's go so New York. At the time, I didn't

1090
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: know that. I didn't know.

1091
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: What city.

1092
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.

1093
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 7: I get, you know, just get yourself into.

1094
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: That ride from the New Jersey.

1095
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: I didn't know to the Garden.

1096
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: And I'm like, boy, did I just get myself into

1097
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: I'm in New York. I'm like New York, New York,

1098
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: New York, the city I love it like Vancouver.

1099
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: I love the city.

1100
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 4: I'm overwhelming happy them in the garden is a great welcoming,

1101
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 4: big press conference.

1102
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: And that was it.

1103
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 4: And it was an experience to me being on a

1104
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: team with so much potential, no one talent. I mean,

1105
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 4: you can pick from any position to guys from the

1106
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 4: start eighteen And when you have that type of power

1107
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 4: and you don't have the right person at the top

1108
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 4: of the total pole from management, owners, captains, and you

1109
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: don't have all of that structure the right way, it's

1110
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: gonna be just like you seen New York over the

1111
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: past twenty years.

1112
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: Man, it's gonna be hit or missed.

1113
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 7: And I was a part of it.

1114
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: And uh, the coaches kind of played with a lot

1115
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: of the players.

1116
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: They just played with a lot of guys, basketball games, mentality,

1117
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: talking behind your black.

1118
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: House, like man, this is so I just stopped belonging

1119
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: to the city. Just take.

1120
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 7: You gave yourself to the city.

1121
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: Hey, the best, the best. This was the arrival of

1122
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: when he became city.

1123
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 5: The man showed up one morning after belonging to the city, right,

1124
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 5: he declared, He declared to us, all I love New

1125
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 5: York City. Right, And then first of all, he came

1126
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 5: in here he had he was out so late and

1127
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 5: he came in so early that he had the cops

1128
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 5: some new I love New York boxes from somewhere like

1129
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 5: straight off like you off the street, somewhere like im

1130
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 5: the city.

1131
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: He like, you know what I'm saying. Then he came in.

1132
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: He grabbed his phone.

1133
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 5: He was like, yo, Yo, we used to always put

1134
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 5: the music loud on a little thing right my man

1135
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 5: put it on the you.

1136
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: Be you know I'm playing.

1137
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 4: I'm in the locker room. I'm in the training room,

1138
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 4: just laying on the training table, Like yo, what was that?

1139
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 4: I was like, man, and they were like And I

1140
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 4: was talking to some veterans and some coach and the guy.

1141
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 4: They didn't They weren't with me. I was with some

1142
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 4: of my boys from home. I was like, Yo, this

1143
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 4: is New York. We can go anywhere we want. And

1144
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 4: it wasn't like a big club or nothing like that.

1145
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: It was just so many different places. I've never seen

1146
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: that one city declared.

1147
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 2: He came in.

1148
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: He was like, yo, we legit can do something any

1149
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 3: night of the week.

1150
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: Like you.

1151
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 5: I've never been nowhere where like a dead night is crazy.

1152
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 5: He was like, I wasn't a big party or nothing, y'all.

1153
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: He was like, it was crazy, that's coming from Orlando.

1154
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 4: I was in the Orlando. The only thing they were

1155
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 4: talking abou let's go to Disney, everybody. I'm like, man,

1156
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 4: it's the crib now.

1157
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1158
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 4: So man, when I when I was able to be

1159
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 4: in New York, Man, it was something that I've always

1160
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: wanted to do. Man, just to see the big Apple

1161
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 4: and uh, just to see so many different skills of

1162
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 4: players who.

1163
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 2: Mentally, like they say, mentally, mentality is tough.

1164
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 4: And any sport you have to be mentally strong to

1165
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: take away into the coaches, travel, family, eating, you have

1166
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 4: to be very mentally strong and and had a good

1167
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 4: support system.

1168
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: Uh.

1169
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 4: But that was that was the mental one of the

1170
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: mental toughness for me was playing in New York just

1171
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: to see the talent and it's not all about talent.

1172
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: Had to be some type of structure.

1173
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 5: Let me let me tell you one of my favorite

1174
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 5: game memories with with you in New York, and I

1175
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 5: know you gotta remember it. It was when we went

1176
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 5: back to DC and my dog like cause it was

1177
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 5: like you gotta understand, bro, we was for real, like

1178
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 5: the bad news when something went good.

1179
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 3: We would be like, Yo, it's going good. This is crazy,

1180
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: Like I'm it.

1181
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 5: It kind of felt I'm not like it kind of

1182
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 5: felt like there was like anything that could go wrong

1183
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: went wrong for us. So it was like, bro, we

1184
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 5: went back. I remember it being a big deal. City started,

1185
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 5: had your famd in town. My man hit the game

1186
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 5: winner and jumped up on the thing. It was going

1187
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 5: I'll never forget that, like, like.

1188
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 3: How was that for you?

1189
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. It was like, this is

1190
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 5: a tough time for all of us. It was a

1191
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 5: struggle that year. It was like what's going on? And

1192
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 5: it was like, you know what I'm saying. I can

1193
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 5: remember us partying, I remember us going out. I can

1194
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 5: remember that being like how was that for you? Like

1195
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 5: after being traded, after Houston, after Orlando, then you get

1196
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 5: there and you back at the crib and we had

1197
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 5: that type of night then because it was dope.

1198
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 4: I mean coming into the game, man, I was a

1199
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 4: little anxious, you know, it was you I know, we

1200
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 4: knew it was gonna be a storm man, and we

1201
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 4: were were just in one of a couple of games

1202
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 4: we had. We order to wait to the first burd

1203
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 4: of the playoffs. At that time, we always taking so

1204
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 4: much criticism about us not playing for I said, or

1205
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 4: I said, not believe it in us. And I think

1206
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 4: at that time, me and you, we were shooting a

1207
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 4: lot after practice and Mart, yeah, they were a lot

1208
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 4: of shooting with Market and we were just practicing and

1209
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 4: we was we're gonna turn it around it and we

1210
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: got the DC. Man, I'm gonna just shoot every time.

1211
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: I got it there. And I think I probably shot

1212
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: with more confidence that game, just not just because I

1213
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: was at home. I think where all of us were

1214
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: to take might take a at his bed and some

1215
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: good news came. Man, And you know the last play,

1216
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: uh Andre Blotch.

1217
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: I missed the free throw that Andre Bronch mister free

1218
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 4: throw and gave us an opportunity with the ball man

1219
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 4: push it up. I didn't see nobody. I mean, they

1220
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 4: said there's other people open. I looked at chair one.

1221
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: You had one thing on your man. I'm about to

1222
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: get to the game at home. I was like, man,

1223
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 4: forget this, I'm going if I miss. I missed and

1224
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 4: I hit the spot, and uh man, I just rained.

1225
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 4: I see my grandmother, I see him. Que that's all

1226
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: about that time, I said about the time we got

1227
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 4: some good news, bie on Es gonna make the playoffs.

1228
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 5: Hey, he jumped up like the whole team was running

1229
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 5: behind him, Nate, Rob you already know like we had

1230
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 5: a team that if it was a time to have

1231
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 5: some fun, we was gonna have it. And I'm talking

1232
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 5: about like that was that was like one of the

1233
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 5: most fun moments, like like period my whole time there,

1234
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 5: Like that was one of the most exciting because it

1235
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 5: was like he said, we was trying to do what

1236
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 5: he was trying to do.

1237
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 3: He was at the crib.

1238
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 5: It was like and then like we were like the

1239
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 5: group that we were gonna get hyped for each other

1240
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 5: up inside the team. So it was like the fact

1241
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 5: that you yeah, it was like the fact that he

1242
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 5: hit it. It was like we all went crazy as

1243
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 5: hell for City, Like we was all running City.

1244
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: We was jumping doing the voice, running around there.

1245
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think, like you said, the Karate, all

1246
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 4: of our all our memories with the next time, I

1247
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 4: think a lot of like Jared, he's on now he's

1248
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 4: with Denver.

1249
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: So you know, it's a great experience playing with some

1250
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: people that you really like.

1251
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, after the next you had the opportunity to go

1252
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: to a couple of teams, but you chose Houston.

1253
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 2: I want to get back to the new house, to

1254
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: the crib laugh, yes, second, full time. Now I'm gonna

1255
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: come back and play.

1256
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 7: While you was in Houston, did you feel the love

1257
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 7: of them missing you. Yeah, to this day, that felt good.

1258
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 7: They felt good to good.

1259
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: I felt comforable, like off the court.

1260
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 4: On the court, man, I don't know what tricky Rick

1261
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 4: sleeve man. I mean in practice, I was killing. I mean,

1262
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what the issue was. Man, this man

1263
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: bens me and I'm just looking like, I don't know

1264
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: what you want to, you know. So he put me

1265
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 4: in I'm doing good and then the crowds yelling my name,

1266
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 4: and I was like, look, man, if you think that

1267
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: you got to do that, I don't even want to play.

1268
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: So uh, even though I did have my outs in

1269
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: the night, it's in my knee just so to I'm.

1270
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 4: Gonna be honest, just so I won't be embarrassed by

1271
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 4: sitting on the bench for something I know that I'm

1272
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 4: better than.

1273
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: I was like, man, let least have sitty night and surgeon.

1274
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, I'm not just gonna let

1275
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 4: you demoralize me by sitting me on the bench and

1276
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 4: play me Spotty.

1277
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 7: Won't lay a mental game with him.

1278
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so, I mean I've been through that part,

1279
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 4: so let me focus on my post career as I'm

1280
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 4: sitting on this bench.

1281
00:59:55,640 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: So when you used to dump used to leaning it

1282
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: was one of the best lean in ever. Like you

1283
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: used to how you used to lean in that joont

1284
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: like and.

1285
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 5: Sometimes time time and time out time I'd be man

1286
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 5: because he's trying to make references some funny.

1287
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 7: You remember you dumped on you.

1288
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1289
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a little weekend dunk on me. It

1290
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 3: wasn't mean cold like that. Why you don't even remember it.

1291
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: That's why you know he was not cold like that.

1292
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: I said it to you.

1293
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,479
Speaker 3: It was it was the one we was in the guard.

1294
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 3: You got one, right. That was because I slight bad

1295
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: slap in the garden. Yeah, it was in the garden.

1296
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,479
Speaker 2: Look, the ball was so small, I mean, my hands

1297
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: so small.

1298
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 4: You know, we got head. You gotta trying to rush

1299
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 4: the ball in the head. So that gave me the velocity.

1300
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: I just that's why a lot of the times to

1301
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 4: see me when I in the duck contest. I would

1302
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 4: throw it up so just my hands weren't so big,

1303
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 4: just to try to do it.

1304
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 7: But you used to lean, used to leaning.

1305
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you would be in there like this, and when

1306
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: you get to the rim, you just like you tap

1307
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: your shoulder.

1308
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: Like real right, like you was the first person I

1309
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: see just throw the ball in.

1310
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: So I got it from you though, like I used

1311
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: to watch you doing it like you like Scottie Pippen

1312
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: used to, you know, he come across and dunkey.

1313
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 7: But you used to lean. As soon as you get

1314
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 7: to the rim, you are turning.

1315
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: And everybody thought they could do to Jordan, dah outside

1316
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: of the dunk damn one dunk you got on Q?

1317
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:31,959
Speaker 7: What is your favorite dunk?

1318
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 3: He didn't even remember that dunk, bro, But go ahead.

1319
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: My favorite dump?

1320
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: I think uh in Miami, man, they tried to trap

1321
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 4: me on baseline. I remember Jordan did that spind move

1322
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 4: on you? And I ain't really dunk on nobody, but

1323
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 4: I just thought about Michael Jordan at that moment thought

1324
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 4: I was imilating the best way I could.

1325
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: I got the one hand dunk base.

1326
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 5: They tell me this right, like do you always say

1327
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 5: this about you know guys that did. I when you

1328
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 5: get a special nickname, right, Like there's one thing to

1329
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 5: nickname yourself or to call yourself something like you gotta

1330
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 5: you got a nickname, Stevie franchise like like that that

1331
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 5: not only is a nickname, but like the meaning behind it,

1332
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 5: that means like you arrived at like I'm a franchise,

1333
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 5: I'm the Chiese. Like you tell me how it felt

1334
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 5: when you heard you know, be it, you start being

1335
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 5: called that and that became like your nickname and you

1336
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 5: became a household name with that.

1337
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 3: How did that feel?

1338
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 4: I think attachment to her key the way that he

1339
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 4: taught me of being that type of player, being early

1340
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 4: and leaving late.

1341
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: And I think that I exposed that early in my corection.

1342
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 4: Like when Cynthy people said she was in the gym,

1343
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 4: I was one of the guys with her at six

1344
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning before they practiced before so when

1345
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: she was working out, I would talk to her about

1346
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 4: how that is it?

1347
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 2: How do you become a leader? You just won three chairman?

1348
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 4: So my workie year, they were being seasons, so I'll

1349
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 4: be in some of the gym and I work out

1350
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 4: with her and asked her how it is to be

1351
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 4: a So I think a lot of people around town

1352
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 4: and the commentators probably got winded that I was taking

1353
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 4: the right proper steps to you know, feeling the king

1354
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 4: steps and hope to get the city some championship.

1355
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: So I think it was at my last name to

1356
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 2: Francis so.

1357
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, yeah, start bench cut, I gotta start one.

1358
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: You gotta bench one. You gotta cut one. Steph Curry, Kyrie, Irvin,

1359
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: Damon Lillard, Oh you got quiet?

1360
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 3: You got quiet?

1361
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 7: Now I gotta go with Dame and started.

1362
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 4: I like now.

1363
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: I like Dame because I benched Dame. I start stepping

1364
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:45,919
Speaker 2: because he's got.

1365
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 4: Championships and experience, and we need somebody to get everybody

1366
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 4: involved in first, and Steph don't have to. If they

1367
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 4: don't get himself involved, his team gonna go down. But

1368
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 4: Steph got more options to get somebody else to get

1369
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 4: him get them started. But they even if he ain't started,

1370
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: I don't know Portland, ignite H. I'm gonna cut count

1371
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 4: because it's too much baggage.

1372
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I feel you. I here.

1373
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's a bad basketball play, great basketball player,

1374
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 4: but the focus don't win the championship should be the

1375
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 4: most important thing.

1376
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 7: Who is your favorite five?

1377
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: Not your top five, but your favorite five to watch

1378
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: and way to play it against or watch play Who

1379
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: is your favorite five?

1380
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 4: I think the time we played in the All Star

1381
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 4: gave it went big. It was me, Kobe Kevin dond

1382
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 4: that Yeah, that's great. That's a great talent. The favorite five.

1383
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 4: Just give me the ball. Nothing really drik but covid

1384
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 4: me one of those guys. So that was that's that's

1385
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 4: five figure.

1386
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 5: All right, man, that's a wrap man. We appreciate you

1387
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 5: pulling up wing. This has been the cool stroll down

1388
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 5: memory lane. Man, y'all check this out.

1389
01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 3: This is with the one and only cities see be franchised.

1390
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 3: And that's Bill. Then appreciate you, my brother.

1391
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: Says steady time man hollering fellas.

1392
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 3: Just knuckled up.

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