WEBVTT - How Reincarnation Works 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:04.480 Welcome to stuff you should know from house stuff Works 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:13.560 dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:17.960 With me is always as Charles W. Chuck Bryant, as 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.800 far as I known as first incarnation as a podcaster, 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:26.680 or at least right possibly before you were a dolphin. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.520 I know I was a podcaster in the Ming Dynasty. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:33.800 A little known fact there. Really, huh when was the 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.040 Ming Dynasty? It was when the first podcast was created 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.519 by me. Do you know who created the first podcast? 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:43.800 Don't you? Oh? That guy from MTV? Yeah, Adam Curry. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:49.080 Isn't that crazy? A pioneer in our field? Yeah, we 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:50.880 should jump him and beat him up, give me the 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.760 old pillow case treatment. No, we should salute them hats off. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.640 Yeah that too. By the way, Chuck, did you notice 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.720 in iTunes that you and I are in a special 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:05.000 room where we are basically referred to as pioneers? Yeah? 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:12.720 Podcast turns five? Yeah? Awkward? Yes, So Adam Curry started 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.160 what twenty years after Ghostbusters? Very nice? No, twenty one years? 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.880 Nice work. Let's get to it show. I Yes, have 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:27.039 you heard of a kid named um James Lenninger? No, 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:32.480 so let's see he's eleven now, I guess, and he 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.840 lives in the United States. I don't know what state. 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.559 I'm sure we could find out one of the fifty. Yes. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:45.440 Um and he around the age of two started having them, 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.720 these crazy nightmares. And uh, he always had an affinity 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.600 for airplanes. But around the age of two, things turned 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.600 a little bit dark, and he started, you know, waking 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:59.520 up screaming things like, UM, plane on fire, plane on fire, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.440 or something like that. That the kids sitting next to 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.280 you when he flew to New York. No, that kid 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.760 was he was just a punk. This kid was was traumatized. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:10.560 You could say he knew a lot about planes. His 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:14.440 parents started noticing that he UM would do kind of 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.720 pre flight checks when he was playing with his airplanes. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.639 He he could point to parts of his mom thought 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.200 a UM a fuel tank called the drop tank was 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.359 a bomb attached to the belt of a toy plane. 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.240 And he's like, no, that's a drop tank. And he 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:31.799 was just a little kid at the time, right, UM. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.320 And after a while his his the things he was 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.840 he was talking about Sarah to get a lot more specific, Chuck. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.840 He talked about Um going down in a Corsair that 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.560 he used to fly bless you with this is headed. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.600 He talked about how Corsair, the Corsair he flew, his 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.959 tires would always go flat, which it's kind of a 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.480 little known fact unless you're a World War Two pilot 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:00.720 or worked on a flight deck. Sure. Uh. And then 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.920 he finally said that he went down near Iwajima in 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.639 a plane and that his plane had gone down from 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.960 taking a direct hit in the engine. And by this time, 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:15.720 this kid's like five, right, um, and so he said 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.280 that he had been flying off of the Natoma right. Uh. 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.520 So his father started to get a little bit obsessed 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.320 with this and started researching the Natoma and found that 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.840 there was a Natoma bay an aircraft carrier UM that 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.240 was off the coast of Ewagima during the raid on 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:36.680 Iwagima UH in March of nine. And there was indeed 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.960 a guy whose name was James M. Houston Jr. And 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.960 he was the only one to die uh in this 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:48.000 raid on Iwagima from hitting the engine direct hitting the 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.080 engine went down in his course air Is that a 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.520 movie yet? Not yet? Should be? So the kids getting 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.400 owners his um, his memories are fading. That was this 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.480 was two thousand five. The article his memories were already fading. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:04.760 Apparently they hit their pinnacle at about three two to 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:08.400 five something like that. Crazy, uh, And a lot of 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.600 researchers are saying, you know, the parents have diluted themselves, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.400 they've deluded him, they've really kind of encouraged this, and 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.520 they're seeing things that aren't there. But obviously as parents 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.720 think that this kid is the reincarnation of this other 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.880 guy named James, the one who went down in ninet 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.240 and his course, their right sounds plausible to me, it is. 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.480 There's a lot of people out there that would say 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.400 that doesn't sound plausible, especially people in the Western world. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.520 But you go a little further east, a little past 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:48.440 the Greenwich date line, right right, uh, and you will 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.599 find a billion and a half two billion people who 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.520 believe in reincarnation. Right yeah, Well wait, is that a 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.240 billion and a half that's just Hindus and Buddhist right, 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.159 you're at everybody? No, No, that's just there's like a 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:06.719 billion people in China alone, right, Yeah, but I don't 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.360 know that all of them are Buddhists. Yeah, but many 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.880 more people believe in reincarnation than the Hindus and Buddhists. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.840 So you cross the International date line. Go a little 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.800 further east, you're gonna find billions of people, billions of 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:23.080 people starting in Central Asia and moving eastward, and us 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:26.200 Stagi Westerners are always the ones going I don't know 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.080 about that folksy remedy, or I don't know about that 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.479 coming back as someone else. Well, one of the reasons 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:36.719 why is because we view time as in a linear motion. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.479 There's no going back, there's no there's no coming back 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.240 to do it again and again. You know, there's no rebirth. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.520 Most of the religions over here are monotheistic. You got 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.080 a heaven after you die. Your life on earth is 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:54.640 too sort of gain entry into heaven. And on the 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.760 on the other side of the world, um in in 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.920 among cultures that believe in reincarnation, time is generally viewed 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:07.960 as cyclical, which makes for you know, coming back again 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.440 and again as a lot more plausible, right, Yeah, I 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.000 did find a thing about Christianity though. There are some 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.919 people who think that reincarnation may have been an early 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:23.120 tenant of Christianity, but it was misinterpreted and or just 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.600 flat out kind of lost over the years. Yeah, are 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.919 you talking about the Cathars. Well, it's just I mean, 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.160 none of it can be proven obviously, and then parts 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:35.480 of Judaism, the Kabbalah, and Hasidic Jews believe in reincarnation. Yeah, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:40.040 let's talk about that first. Let's talk about Asian views 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:44.520 of reincarnation. All right, there's a lot of really interesting 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:49.760 similarities across cultures as far as reincarnation goes in the 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:56.600 earliest well, the oldest active religion right now is Hinduism, 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.440 oldest surviving religion, right. I think you can make a 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:04.560 case that's Zoroastrianism is older, but I don't know that 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.120 you could say that that's actually surviving. Yeah, at the 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:11.040 very least, it's not thriving like hindu is. Um. Right, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.400 So Chuck, how long has reincarnation been around. It hasn't 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:19.240 been around forever like people would think it's. Actually it's 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:27.560 fairly new, right, Yeah, the fifth and seventh century BC. Yeah. BC. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:30.960 We get yelled at every time we use that, don't 0:07:31.480 --> 0:07:34.800 sometimes Okay? And they were in the apon A Shads, right, 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.760 which were these Hindu ancient Hindu texts where reincarnation is 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:42.200 first really spelled out right, right, And they don't think 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.840 that it was around prior to this, because um, there's 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.320 a lot of evidence that in like burials, that people 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:53.000 believe that this individual person went on to another life, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.320 so they would bury like um, their hunting materials, or 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.760 arian societies would burn the wife alive when they cremated 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.800 the husband, so they were together in the next life. 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.760 So then reincarnation first pops up around you know, the 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.680 fifth and seventh century or the seventh and fifth century BC. Right, yes, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.240 So what are we talking about when it comes to Hinduism, like, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.640 what are what's the basis of of reincarnation? Well, I 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.800 mean and its original Latin translation, it means entering the 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:25.640 flesh again, so that pretty much speaks for itself, I think. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:31.240 And Hinduism it's all about, uh, the acceptance of sam sara, 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:35.200 which uh that literally means wandering on and from when 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.320 I gathered. It's more of an answer to what are 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.280 we doing? Like the eternal question is what are we doing? 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.079 No way, not where are we? A lot of people 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.679 think it's like you know where you are at your station, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.400 but it's really what are you doing? And so uh, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.560 basically it's um and it's sort of the same in Buddhism. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.160 We'll get into that, but it isn't there it's not 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.599 in a continual cycle for all of eternity. There is 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.240 a goal that you eventually want to break the cycle 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:10.360 and reach an endpoint. And and Hinduism it's called moksha. 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.640 Is that right? Yeah, that's how I took it. Yeah, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:18.320 And that's that's salvation. Right. Yes, it means release literally released, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.840 So to be released from your cycle is how I 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:26.520 took it. So with Hinduism, you achieve moksha through karma, right. 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:30.240 And karma is that it's this very it's that's as 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.320 misused as socialism these days, I think, at least here 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.520 in the West. Right. Um, If karma is basically this 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:43.760 impersonal law where if you carry out good actions, you 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:49.560 become good, If you carry out evil actions, you become evil. Right, So, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.040 according to how you live your life is the kind 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.520 of karma you accrue in this karma accumulates from life 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.480 to life. And ultimately, when I guess the good enough 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:04.400 of the good karma is accrued if you will, um. 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:05.960 And I don't think it's as black and white as 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.600 good or bad karma necessarily, But but once you crew 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.920 this this type of favorable karma, um, You're you're ultimately 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.520 loosened from your human form and you're not going to 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:22.079 be reborn again. You're gonna go join the Brahma. Right, Yes, 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.559 that is the absolute god of the Hindus. Big cheese, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:30.319 you become one with I guess a part of it. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.320 but karma is not controlled by that. God is not 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:36.240 controlled by any god. No. Right, it's this like universal 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.000 law like thermodynamics or something like that. Yeah, it's not 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.680 like God says I'm gonna you know, you've earned this 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:44.200 or you haven't earned that. He's just like he's like 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.640 a dealer in Vegas, Like, I've got nothing to do 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:48.720 with this, buddy, this is all about It's the second 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:52.160 time we've done that called clearing your hands or tapping out. 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.840 Um chuck. I find that really really interesting and kind 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.719 of um uplifting that there is this um god, this 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.080 almighty powerful god in the Hindu religion, and then there's 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:09.000 of course like tons of other gods. Right, um, but 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.280 the this this all powerful god can't do anything about 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.960 this cosmic law of karma. It's up to the individual's actions. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.560 I just find the endlessly appealing that it's up to 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.240 you how you live your life, whether or not you're 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.080 going to achieve moksha or not. That's I just think 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.040 that's super cool, absolutely, you know, because your actions should 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.240 reflect you know, how you end up, and I think 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.880 it creates your station in life as well. Right. Well, yeah, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.600 if you do enough, I guess, if you accrue enough 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.080 good karma, you may end up in a higher cast, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:47.520 in another incarnation here on earth. Right. But then there's 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.800 no heaven or hell or anything after after you do 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:55.720 hit moksha, right, it's just being a part of the 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.600 brahm one right, okay, which is the Buddhist equivalent of 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:03.720 the Hindu equivalent of the Buddhist nirvana. Right. So moksha 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:06.800 is one of four primary Hindu goals, right, Yeah, the final, 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.160 that's the final, the first one, and it's almost kind 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:14.439 of like this um this transcendence, and it starts with 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.319 this very basic goal of desire where you want to 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.920 have sex or you want wealth or you want fame 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:24.800 or something like that. Uh, And then you move to wealth. Arthur, 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.000 which actually is ka was the first one. I'm sorry, 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:31.520 K And like you're saying c O M M A 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.360 r K A M A uh. And then Arthur A 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:37.960 r T h A is wealth and it's not like 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.280 a bad thing. It's not like our concept of wealth. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:44.679 It's you want to accumulate wealth so you can take 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.640 care of your family or do good for other people, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.199 that kind of thing. So that in the Western concepts 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.319 of wealth are not necessarily one of the same. Then 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:58.160 you have dharma righteousness, right, and then after that you 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.440 achieve moksha. And I think there's an interplay. I don't. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.920 I don't think it's necessarily graduated. There's that linear thought 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.360 progression again right in the West. I think they're all 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.920 kind of intertwined. Right. I think so too. But you 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:16.080 led us to Buddhism and I trampled all over that segue. 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:20.000 So let's go back to it, buddy. I believe that 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.720 we said that moksha would be the Hindu equivalent of 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:27.120 the Buddhist nirvana. Excellent segway, Chuck, And Buddhism is about 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:32.400 years old, and uh, it's kind of their concept of 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.800 reincarnation and is much the same as Hindu in fact 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.600 that they got it from the Hindu. So they believe 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.439 in karma. They believe in good karma and bad karma. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:46.560 They believe in uh sam Sara and rebirth and UH. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.200 They also believe in the in between, which is UH, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:56.160 between the afterlife, after death, and before birth. Right, that's 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.679 actually Bardo in the Tibetan tradition. Okay, is it? So 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.120 there's a there's a it's basically yeah, you can't really 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.600 call it an afterlife, right if you call it an 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.520 in between life? And so chuck this this thing that 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:15.160 exists in between life and also in life and what 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.640 dies as well? Um. Buddhists consider a germ of consciousness 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.520 and I just made air quotes right, right, so that 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.600 starts in the womb um, and you live, you die, 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:31.760 You generate karma based on how you live. But the 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:39.160 point of life to Buddhists is suffering. Yes, that's part 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:43.360 of the fore noble truths, which is uh, suffering exists. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.840 Suffering arises from attachment to desires. Suffering ceases when attachment 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.520 to desire cease, and freedom from suffering is possible by 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.440 practicing the eight fold path. Right, And the eight Fold 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:59.040 path was um something that was um created by the Buddhists. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:03.120 That Arthur Right who was born around five sixty three BC, 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.800 and he was born into a life of opulence and 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.480 wealth and privilege and had it very easy but he 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.080 noticed fairly early on. I get the impression he was 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:19.280 something of a prodigy, um that he wasn't achieving much 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:24.840 spiritual progression through this life of wealth. So he went 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.760 off and he did what Chuck, Well, when he was 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.520 twenty nine years old, he left and said, I'm gonna 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:36.560 practice yoga training and he basically abandoned all that and 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.520 sat under a tree and he lived the life of 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.520 a hermit. Yeah, so you know me, Chuck, You know 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.720 how I feel about Buddhists going off and living in 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.240 the cave by themselves and not contributing anything to humanity. Right, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.680 And this is what Siddartha tried. And did he gain 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.960 enlightenment from this? No, he was I guess you could 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.160 say he was in your camp. He didn't. Um. I'm 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.760 not gonna say he didn't much out of it, because 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.800 I wasn't there. But he ultimately did not gain enlightenment 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.520 that way. And he thought, you know what, maybe a 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.360 mix of both is a good thing, and maybe we 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.520 should call that the middle way, and maybe that's the 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.360 way to be right, and it's called the eight fold path. Right, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.440 So he achieves enlightenment and he immediately starts telling other 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:20.280 people about it, and he said that there's this eight 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:24.760 fold path that is basically it's in the middle between 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.360 excess and self deprivation. Right, right, So what are the 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:32.080 eight the eight parts of the eight fold path. Well, 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.480 this is broken down into three qualities. Uh, the wisdom 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.840 or panna is right view and right thought. Okay, You've 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.880 got morality, which is right speech, right action, and right livelihood. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.040 Then you have meditation which is right effort, right and 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.320 mindfulness and right contemplation. Very nice. So basically, you put 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.800 all this together, you are living the right life that's 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.960 going to deliver you to nirvana. Right, yeah, which is 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:06.920 the middle way? Sounds pretty easy. I bet it's extremely difficult. 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.840 I think so too. You know, well, there it's it's 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.960 difficult because there's something called hindrances and they actually list 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.840 these out, which in you know, it's probably no surprise 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:19.399 that one of them is lust, one of them is 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.320 aversion to ill will. You have sloth and torpor, which 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.600 you know, who wants to be involved with torpor? Restlessness 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.840 and worry and skeptical doubt. And then there are seven 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:39.119 factors of enlightenment, which are mindfulness, investigation, energy, rapture, twan quility, concentration, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:44.800 and equanimity. So yeah, not so easy. No, I wouldn't 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.240 think so, I mean think think about avoid those and 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.679 then do those though it does sound easy, But but 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.080 how life is. I'm sure if you like, you know, 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.199 zig to the left, you zag right into you know, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:00.840 some sort of temptation or you know, if you close 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:07.800 yourself down to the possibility of you know, um, being 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.960 exposed to wealth or whatever, you're missing out on being 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.080 able to help other people. Yea, you know, there's there's 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:18.119 probably a lot of pitfalls to that that way of living, 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.560 which is why I issue the whole thing. Yeah. Well, 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.960 sid Heartha believe that he wandered in around India for 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.639 like forty five years teaching this and until he died 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.240 at the age of eighty. And you know what his 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:33.280 last words were, Tell him I said something cool. Now 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.400 he did say something cool. He said impermanent or all 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:42.120 created things strive on with awareness. Party on is basically 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:48.600 what he said, party on garth. Wow. Yeah, nice last words. Huh, yeah, 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.280 they are. Have you ever wondered about yours will be? Uh? 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:58.399 I have a feeling mine are gonna be holy to 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:02.719 be my last two words mineld b probably you got me, Copper, 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.240 you're gonna revert back to your bad boy ways just 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.840 for one list and tying to shoot out suicide by cop. 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.200 It reminds me the end of Royaltanon Bombs when they 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.880 showed it said he died heroically saving his family from 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.080 a sinking ship. Um all right, Chuck, some of the 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.200 stuff that we've been talking about may sound kind of familiar. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.840 If you live the right way, you can stop coming 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.600 back to this existence that you know, we call earth 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:41.320 life on life on this planet. Right. It kind of 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:45.520 bears a striking resemblance to the Judeo Christian ethic of 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.440 you know, if you live this right life, if you're 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.000 good to other people, you don't hurt other people or 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:54.720 other things, you're not a cruel person. Um, and you 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.880 kind of it's not you don't pursue worldly objects, you're 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:03.720 going to uh have a better afterlife, right, Yeah, But 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:07.680 it's you know, Christianity obviously it's a permanent afterlife, right 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.399 because reincarnation. Here's the thing, like there's a there's a 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:15.399 very there's a similarity between the Judeo Christian outlook and 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.520 Muslim as well, because they believe in the afterlife as well, 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.600 that the soul is immortal, that there's something in us 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.639 that lives on after the physical body dies. Where it 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:32.440 differs and disagrees is specifically with reincarnation, where you come 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:38.240 back and you inhabit somebody on this earth again. That's 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.399 the that's the difference. That's reincarnation right there, right has 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.399 something to do with the immortality of the soul. Well, 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.679 has everything to do with the immortality is soul. But 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.440 as far as comparative religion goes the differences, you don't 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.480 keep going straight. You come back because you screwed up. 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.560 I took a comparative religion class in college. And here's 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:00.320 a little secret, Josh, don't tell anybody, but they're all 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.560 kind of the same. I know. And do you want 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.359 to know why I have my theory? Let's hear it. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.440 Are we gonna go there? Here's my here's my theory. 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:16.840 Man evolved into man from whatever, and man started to 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.600 as soon as man could think, Man started questioning why 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:24.399 they were there on earth looking for a purpose. And 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.960 that's where religion sprung up. And that's why they're all 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.800 very similar. When you break down the tenants of world 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.920 religions is people fractured and split off in different areas, 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:35.760 and they evolved differently. But at the root of it, 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:39.479 I think it began with man walking upright and looking 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.520 at you know, the sun and saying, why son there? Yeah, 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.920 I think I subscribed to something very um. Why river run? Right? 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.399 I think I think it was um born the chuck 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:56.359 out of the first time somebody witnessed someone else die 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.240 and realized that that's going to happen to me one day? 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:04.600 What happened to talk talk? Right? Now, there's a if 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:09.720 you if you look at um religious scholars work, most 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.920 of them will tell you that reincarnation was born out 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:18.479 of um watching the seasons change, especially for because because 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:23.040 these were agricultural societies that started giving rise to religion 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:25.160 like this right when the whole cyclical thing, it makes 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:28.560 sense the earth rotates, the seasons rotate in a cycle, 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:33.399 so it makes sense the I guess the commonality, like 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.480 you said, people started to split up. I don't know 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.760 that it's necessarily that it happened. And then I see 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.680 what you're saying, Like with religion in general, but with 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.600 something like say reincarnation and these really you know, lead 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.720 a good life and the reward after this. I think 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.639 it was from cultures having an influence on one another 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.840 by living near one another. Remember we did UM that 0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.560 podcast on whether the Greeks got their ideas from the Africans. Well, 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:05.320 this apparently is another example of that. The African mystery system, 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.680 the comedic mystery system that we talked about in Egypt. 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:15.200 Um one of the big guys who formed a mystery system, well, 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:21.199 one of the big cult founders UM. His name was Pythagoras, 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:24.480 remember him the Paean theorem. So we're gonna get into 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.840 the mystery religions a little bit. Yeah, he spent several 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.920 decades in Africa and came back and the next thing 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:35.360 you know, he's founding mystery cults. Orpheus, the orphic Um, 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.639 the orphic mystery cults founder. Well, he's supposedly a mythical figure, 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.440 but they also think he may be an actual historical 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.680 figure the music legend if he was real. There's part 0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:48.680 of his legend is that he went and spent twenty 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.080 years in Memphis studying from the Egyptian So you kind 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.400 of get the idea that a lot of the Um 0:23:55.440 --> 0:24:01.280 ideas of rebirth and reincarnation went from UM. The Hindus 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.960 to the Egyptians to the Greeks. And then remember we 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:08.399 talked about the Jefferson Bible being written or the Bible 0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:13.560 being written by the Platonics. Yes, that plato uh was 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:17.199 derived from these mystery cults who believed in reincarnation, and 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:21.720 actually some Catholic cults, early Catholic cults um believed in 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.320 reincarnation as well, like the Cather's. Yeah, well, orphanism sounds 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.159 a lot like heaven and hell to me, because he 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:33.000 believed or they believe that leading a correct life leads 0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:35.880 you to elysium, which is like a paradise, and if 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.040 you're evil, you'll get to a hell, right, but you 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.600 can die in the afterlife as well. Yeah it doesn't. 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:44.560 That's that's the main difference. You have to lead three 0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:49.119 good orphic lives to get out of there. And what 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:53.080 what is leading a good orphic life? Chuck with this horrible, 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:58.600 horrible orphic life. Uh well no, no wine, no sex, 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:03.520 no meat. Vegetarianism is good. Yeah. So yeah, those are 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:07.280 a few of the tenants. Which is strange because this uh, 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:11.080 this is this orphan cult was actually an offshoot of 0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:14.920 the Dianicing colt and they believed quite the opposite. They 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:19.359 would rip a goat um to death, to shreds a 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:22.080 live goat to shreds with their teeth as part of 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.399