1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know from house stuff Works 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 3 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: With me is always as Charles W. Chuck Bryant, as 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: far as I known as first incarnation as a podcaster, 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: or at least right possibly before you were a dolphin. 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: I know I was a podcaster in the Ming Dynasty. 7 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: A little known fact there. Really, huh when was the 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: Ming Dynasty? It was when the first podcast was created 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: by me. Do you know who created the first podcast? 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Don't you? Oh? That guy from MTV? Yeah, Adam Curry. 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? A pioneer in our field? Yeah, we 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: should jump him and beat him up, give me the 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: old pillow case treatment. No, we should salute them hats off. 14 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Yeah that too. By the way, Chuck, did you notice 15 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: in iTunes that you and I are in a special 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: room where we are basically referred to as pioneers? Yeah? 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Podcast turns five? Yeah? Awkward? Yes, So Adam Curry started 18 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: what twenty years after Ghostbusters? Very nice? No, twenty one years? 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: Nice work. Let's get to it show. I Yes, have 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: you heard of a kid named um James Lenninger? No, 21 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: so let's see he's eleven now, I guess, and he 22 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: lives in the United States. I don't know what state. 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: I'm sure we could find out one of the fifty. Yes. 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: Um and he around the age of two started having them, 25 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: these crazy nightmares. And uh, he always had an affinity 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: for airplanes. But around the age of two, things turned 27 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: a little bit dark, and he started, you know, waking 28 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: up screaming things like, UM, plane on fire, plane on fire, 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: or something like that. That the kids sitting next to 30 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: you when he flew to New York. No, that kid 31 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: was he was just a punk. This kid was was traumatized. 32 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: You could say he knew a lot about planes. His 33 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: parents started noticing that he UM would do kind of 34 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: pre flight checks when he was playing with his airplanes. 35 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: He he could point to parts of his mom thought 36 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: a UM a fuel tank called the drop tank was 37 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: a bomb attached to the belt of a toy plane. 38 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: And he's like, no, that's a drop tank. And he 39 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: was just a little kid at the time, right, UM. 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: And after a while his his the things he was 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: he was talking about Sarah to get a lot more specific, Chuck. 42 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: He talked about Um going down in a Corsair that 43 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: he used to fly bless you with this is headed. 44 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: He talked about how Corsair, the Corsair he flew, his 45 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 1: tires would always go flat, which it's kind of a 46 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: little known fact unless you're a World War Two pilot 47 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: or worked on a flight deck. Sure. Uh. And then 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: he finally said that he went down near Iwajima in 49 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: a plane and that his plane had gone down from 50 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: taking a direct hit in the engine. And by this time, 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: this kid's like five, right, um, and so he said 52 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: that he had been flying off of the Natoma right. Uh. 53 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: So his father started to get a little bit obsessed 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: with this and started researching the Natoma and found that 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: there was a Natoma bay an aircraft carrier UM that 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: was off the coast of Ewagima during the raid on 57 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: Iwagima UH in March of nine. And there was indeed 58 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: a guy whose name was James M. Houston Jr. And 59 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: he was the only one to die uh in this 60 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: raid on Iwagima from hitting the engine direct hitting the 61 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: engine went down in his course air Is that a 62 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: movie yet? Not yet? Should be? So the kids getting 63 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: owners his um, his memories are fading. That was this 64 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: was two thousand five. The article his memories were already fading. 65 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Apparently they hit their pinnacle at about three two to 66 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: five something like that. Crazy, uh, And a lot of 67 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: researchers are saying, you know, the parents have diluted themselves, 68 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: they've deluded him, they've really kind of encouraged this, and 69 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: they're seeing things that aren't there. But obviously as parents 70 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: think that this kid is the reincarnation of this other 71 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: guy named James, the one who went down in ninet 72 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: and his course, their right sounds plausible to me, it is. 73 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there that would say 74 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound plausible, especially people in the Western world. 75 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: But you go a little further east, a little past 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: the Greenwich date line, right right, uh, and you will 77 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: find a billion and a half two billion people who 78 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: believe in reincarnation. Right yeah, Well wait, is that a 79 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: billion and a half that's just Hindus and Buddhist right, 80 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: you're at everybody? No, No, that's just there's like a 81 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: billion people in China alone, right, Yeah, but I don't 82 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: know that all of them are Buddhists. Yeah, but many 83 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: more people believe in reincarnation than the Hindus and Buddhists. 84 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: So you cross the International date line. Go a little 85 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: further east, you're gonna find billions of people, billions of 86 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: people starting in Central Asia and moving eastward, and us 87 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: Stagi Westerners are always the ones going I don't know 88 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: about that folksy remedy, or I don't know about that 89 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: coming back as someone else. Well, one of the reasons 90 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: why is because we view time as in a linear motion. 91 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: There's no going back, there's no there's no coming back 92 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: to do it again and again. You know, there's no rebirth. 93 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Most of the religions over here are monotheistic. You got 94 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: a heaven after you die. Your life on earth is 95 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: too sort of gain entry into heaven. And on the 96 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, um in in 97 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: among cultures that believe in reincarnation, time is generally viewed 98 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: as cyclical, which makes for you know, coming back again 99 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: and again as a lot more plausible, right, Yeah, I 100 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: did find a thing about Christianity though. There are some 101 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 1: people who think that reincarnation may have been an early 102 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: tenant of Christianity, but it was misinterpreted and or just 103 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: flat out kind of lost over the years. Yeah, are 104 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: you talking about the Cathars. Well, it's just I mean, 105 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: none of it can be proven obviously, and then parts 106 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: of Judaism, the Kabbalah, and Hasidic Jews believe in reincarnation. Yeah, 107 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about that first. Let's talk about Asian views 108 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: of reincarnation. All right, there's a lot of really interesting 109 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: similarities across cultures as far as reincarnation goes in the 110 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: earliest well, the oldest active religion right now is Hinduism, 111 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: oldest surviving religion, right. I think you can make a 112 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: case that's Zoroastrianism is older, but I don't know that 113 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: you could say that that's actually surviving. Yeah, at the 114 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: very least, it's not thriving like hindu is. Um. Right, 115 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: So Chuck, how long has reincarnation been around. It hasn't 116 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: been around forever like people would think it's. Actually it's 117 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: fairly new, right, Yeah, the fifth and seventh century BC. Yeah. BC. 118 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: We get yelled at every time we use that, don't 119 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: sometimes Okay? And they were in the apon A Shads, right, 120 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: which were these Hindu ancient Hindu texts where reincarnation is 121 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: first really spelled out right, right, And they don't think 122 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: that it was around prior to this, because um, there's 123 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: a lot of evidence that in like burials, that people 124 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: believe that this individual person went on to another life, 125 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: so they would bury like um, their hunting materials, or 126 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: arian societies would burn the wife alive when they cremated 127 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: the husband, so they were together in the next life. 128 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: So then reincarnation first pops up around you know, the 129 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: fifth and seventh century or the seventh and fifth century BC. Right, yes, 130 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: So what are we talking about when it comes to Hinduism, like, 131 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: what are what's the basis of of reincarnation? Well, I 132 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: mean and its original Latin translation, it means entering the 133 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: flesh again, so that pretty much speaks for itself, I think. 134 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: And Hinduism it's all about, uh, the acceptance of sam sara, 135 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: which uh that literally means wandering on and from when 136 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: I gathered. It's more of an answer to what are 137 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: we doing? Like the eternal question is what are we doing? 138 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 1: No way, not where are we? A lot of people 139 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: think it's like you know where you are at your station, 140 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: but it's really what are you doing? And so uh, 141 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: basically it's um and it's sort of the same in Buddhism. 142 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: We'll get into that, but it isn't there it's not 143 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: in a continual cycle for all of eternity. There is 144 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: a goal that you eventually want to break the cycle 145 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: and reach an endpoint. And and Hinduism it's called moksha. 146 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, that's how I took it. Yeah, 147 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: And that's that's salvation. Right. Yes, it means release literally released, 148 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: So to be released from your cycle is how I 149 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: took it. So with Hinduism, you achieve moksha through karma, right. 150 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: And karma is that it's this very it's that's as 151 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: misused as socialism these days, I think, at least here 152 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: in the West. Right. Um, If karma is basically this 153 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: impersonal law where if you carry out good actions, you 154 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: become good, If you carry out evil actions, you become evil. Right, So, 155 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: according to how you live your life is the kind 156 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: of karma you accrue in this karma accumulates from life 157 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: to life. And ultimately, when I guess the good enough 158 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: of the good karma is accrued if you will, um. 159 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's as black and white as 160 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: good or bad karma necessarily, But but once you crew 161 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: this this type of favorable karma, um, You're you're ultimately 162 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: loosened from your human form and you're not going to 163 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: be reborn again. You're gonna go join the Brahma. Right, Yes, 164 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: that is the absolute god of the Hindus. Big cheese, 165 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: you become one with I guess a part of it. Yeah, yeah, 166 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: but karma is not controlled by that. God is not 167 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: controlled by any god. No. Right, it's this like universal 168 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: law like thermodynamics or something like that. Yeah, it's not 169 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: like God says I'm gonna you know, you've earned this 170 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: or you haven't earned that. He's just like he's like 171 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: a dealer in Vegas, Like, I've got nothing to do 172 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: with this, buddy, this is all about It's the second 173 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: time we've done that called clearing your hands or tapping out. 174 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: Um chuck. I find that really really interesting and kind 175 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 1: of um uplifting that there is this um god, this 176 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: almighty powerful god in the Hindu religion, and then there's 177 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: of course like tons of other gods. Right, um, but 178 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: the this this all powerful god can't do anything about 179 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: this cosmic law of karma. It's up to the individual's actions. 180 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: I just find the endlessly appealing that it's up to 181 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: you how you live your life, whether or not you're 182 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: going to achieve moksha or not. That's I just think 183 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: that's super cool, absolutely, you know, because your actions should 184 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: reflect you know, how you end up, and I think 185 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: it creates your station in life as well. Right. Well, yeah, 186 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: if you do enough, I guess, if you accrue enough 187 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: good karma, you may end up in a higher cast, 188 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: in another incarnation here on earth. Right. But then there's 189 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: no heaven or hell or anything after after you do 190 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: hit moksha, right, it's just being a part of the 191 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: brahm one right, okay, which is the Buddhist equivalent of 192 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: the Hindu equivalent of the Buddhist nirvana. Right. So moksha 193 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: is one of four primary Hindu goals, right, Yeah, the final, 194 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: that's the final, the first one, and it's almost kind 195 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: of like this um this transcendence, and it starts with 196 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: this very basic goal of desire where you want to 197 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: have sex or you want wealth or you want fame 198 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: or something like that. Uh, And then you move to wealth. Arthur, 199 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: which actually is ka was the first one. I'm sorry, 200 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: K And like you're saying c O M M A 201 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: r K A M A uh. And then Arthur A 202 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: r T h A is wealth and it's not like 203 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: a bad thing. It's not like our concept of wealth. 204 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: It's you want to accumulate wealth so you can take 205 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: care of your family or do good for other people, 206 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So that in the Western concepts 207 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: of wealth are not necessarily one of the same. Then 208 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: you have dharma righteousness, right, and then after that you 209 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: achieve moksha. And I think there's an interplay. I don't. 210 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily graduated. There's that linear thought 211 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: progression again right in the West. I think they're all 212 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: kind of intertwined. Right. I think so too. But you 213 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: led us to Buddhism and I trampled all over that segue. 214 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: So let's go back to it, buddy. I believe that 215 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: we said that moksha would be the Hindu equivalent of 216 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: the Buddhist nirvana. Excellent segway, Chuck, And Buddhism is about 217 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: years old, and uh, it's kind of their concept of 218 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: reincarnation and is much the same as Hindu in fact 219 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: that they got it from the Hindu. So they believe 220 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: in karma. They believe in good karma and bad karma. 221 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: They believe in uh sam Sara and rebirth and UH. 222 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: They also believe in the in between, which is UH, 223 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: between the afterlife, after death, and before birth. Right, that's 224 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: actually Bardo in the Tibetan tradition. Okay, is it? So 225 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: there's a there's a it's basically yeah, you can't really 226 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: call it an afterlife, right if you call it an 227 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: in between life? And so chuck this this thing that 228 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: exists in between life and also in life and what 229 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: dies as well? Um. Buddhists consider a germ of consciousness 230 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: and I just made air quotes right, right, so that 231 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: starts in the womb um, and you live, you die, 232 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: You generate karma based on how you live. But the 233 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: point of life to Buddhists is suffering. Yes, that's part 234 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: of the fore noble truths, which is uh, suffering exists. 235 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: Suffering arises from attachment to desires. Suffering ceases when attachment 236 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: to desire cease, and freedom from suffering is possible by 237 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: practicing the eight fold path. Right, And the eight Fold 238 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: path was um something that was um created by the Buddhists. 239 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: That Arthur Right who was born around five sixty three BC, 240 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: and he was born into a life of opulence and 241 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: wealth and privilege and had it very easy but he 242 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: noticed fairly early on. I get the impression he was 243 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: something of a prodigy, um that he wasn't achieving much 244 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: spiritual progression through this life of wealth. So he went 245 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: off and he did what Chuck, Well, when he was 246 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: twenty nine years old, he left and said, I'm gonna 247 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: practice yoga training and he basically abandoned all that and 248 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: sat under a tree and he lived the life of 249 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: a hermit. Yeah, so you know me, Chuck, You know 250 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: how I feel about Buddhists going off and living in 251 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: the cave by themselves and not contributing anything to humanity. Right, 252 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: And this is what Siddartha tried. And did he gain 253 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: enlightenment from this? No, he was I guess you could 254 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: say he was in your camp. He didn't. Um. I'm 255 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: not gonna say he didn't much out of it, because 256 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't there. But he ultimately did not gain enlightenment 257 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: that way. And he thought, you know what, maybe a 258 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: mix of both is a good thing, and maybe we 259 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: should call that the middle way, and maybe that's the 260 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: way to be right, and it's called the eight fold path. Right, 261 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: So he achieves enlightenment and he immediately starts telling other 262 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: people about it, and he said that there's this eight 263 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: fold path that is basically it's in the middle between 264 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: excess and self deprivation. Right, right, So what are the 265 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: eight the eight parts of the eight fold path. Well, 266 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: this is broken down into three qualities. Uh, the wisdom 267 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: or panna is right view and right thought. Okay, You've 268 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: got morality, which is right speech, right action, and right livelihood. 269 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: Then you have meditation which is right effort, right and 270 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: mindfulness and right contemplation. Very nice. So basically, you put 271 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: all this together, you are living the right life that's 272 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: going to deliver you to nirvana. Right, yeah, which is 273 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: the middle way? Sounds pretty easy. I bet it's extremely difficult. 274 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: I think so too. You know, well, there it's it's 275 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: difficult because there's something called hindrances and they actually list 276 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: these out, which in you know, it's probably no surprise 277 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: that one of them is lust, one of them is 278 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: aversion to ill will. You have sloth and torpor, which 279 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, who wants to be involved with torpor? Restlessness 280 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: and worry and skeptical doubt. And then there are seven 281 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: factors of enlightenment, which are mindfulness, investigation, energy, rapture, twan quility, concentration, 282 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: and equanimity. So yeah, not so easy. No, I wouldn't 283 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: think so, I mean think think about avoid those and 284 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: then do those though it does sound easy, But but 285 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: how life is. I'm sure if you like, you know, 286 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 1: zig to the left, you zag right into you know, 287 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: some sort of temptation or you know, if you close 288 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: yourself down to the possibility of you know, um, being 289 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: exposed to wealth or whatever, you're missing out on being 290 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: able to help other people. Yea, you know, there's there's 291 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: probably a lot of pitfalls to that that way of living, 292 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: which is why I issue the whole thing. Yeah. Well, 293 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: sid Heartha believe that he wandered in around India for 294 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: like forty five years teaching this and until he died 295 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: at the age of eighty. And you know what his 296 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: last words were, Tell him I said something cool. Now 297 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: he did say something cool. He said impermanent or all 298 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: created things strive on with awareness. Party on is basically 299 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: what he said, party on garth. Wow. Yeah, nice last words. Huh, yeah, 300 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: they are. Have you ever wondered about yours will be? Uh? 301 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: I have a feeling mine are gonna be holy to 302 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: be my last two words mineld b probably you got me, Copper, 303 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna revert back to your bad boy ways just 304 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: for one list and tying to shoot out suicide by cop. 305 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: It reminds me the end of Royaltanon Bombs when they 306 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: showed it said he died heroically saving his family from 307 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: a sinking ship. Um all right, Chuck, some of the 308 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: stuff that we've been talking about may sound kind of familiar. 309 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: If you live the right way, you can stop coming 310 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: back to this existence that you know, we call earth 311 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: life on life on this planet. Right. It kind of 312 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: bears a striking resemblance to the Judeo Christian ethic of 313 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, if you live this right life, if you're 314 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: good to other people, you don't hurt other people or 315 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: other things, you're not a cruel person. Um, and you 316 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: kind of it's not you don't pursue worldly objects, you're 317 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: going to uh have a better afterlife, right, Yeah, But 318 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: it's you know, Christianity obviously it's a permanent afterlife, right 319 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: because reincarnation. Here's the thing, like there's a there's a 320 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: very there's a similarity between the Judeo Christian outlook and 321 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Muslim as well, because they believe in the afterlife as well, 322 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: that the soul is immortal, that there's something in us 323 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: that lives on after the physical body dies. Where it 324 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: differs and disagrees is specifically with reincarnation, where you come 325 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: back and you inhabit somebody on this earth again. That's 326 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: the that's the difference. That's reincarnation right there, right has 327 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: something to do with the immortality of the soul. Well, 328 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: has everything to do with the immortality is soul. But 329 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: as far as comparative religion goes the differences, you don't 330 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: keep going straight. You come back because you screwed up. 331 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: I took a comparative religion class in college. And here's 332 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: a little secret, Josh, don't tell anybody, but they're all 333 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: kind of the same. I know. And do you want 334 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: to know why I have my theory? Let's hear it. 335 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: Are we gonna go there? Here's my here's my theory. 336 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Man evolved into man from whatever, and man started to 337 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: as soon as man could think, Man started questioning why 338 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: they were there on earth looking for a purpose. And 339 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: that's where religion sprung up. And that's why they're all 340 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: very similar. When you break down the tenants of world 341 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: religions is people fractured and split off in different areas, 342 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: and they evolved differently. But at the root of it, 343 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: I think it began with man walking upright and looking 344 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: at you know, the sun and saying, why son there? Yeah, 345 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: I think I subscribed to something very um. Why river run? Right? 346 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: I think I think it was um born the chuck 347 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: out of the first time somebody witnessed someone else die 348 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: and realized that that's going to happen to me one day? 349 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: What happened to talk talk? Right? Now, there's a if 350 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: you if you look at um religious scholars work, most 351 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: of them will tell you that reincarnation was born out 352 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: of um watching the seasons change, especially for because because 353 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: these were agricultural societies that started giving rise to religion 354 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: like this right when the whole cyclical thing, it makes 355 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: sense the earth rotates, the seasons rotate in a cycle, 356 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: so it makes sense the I guess the commonality, like 357 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: you said, people started to split up. I don't know 358 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: that it's necessarily that it happened. And then I see 359 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like with religion in general, but with 360 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: something like say reincarnation and these really you know, lead 361 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: a good life and the reward after this. I think 362 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: it was from cultures having an influence on one another 363 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: by living near one another. Remember we did UM that 364 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: podcast on whether the Greeks got their ideas from the Africans. Well, 365 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: this apparently is another example of that. The African mystery system, 366 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: the comedic mystery system that we talked about in Egypt. 367 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: Um one of the big guys who formed a mystery system, well, 368 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: one of the big cult founders UM. His name was Pythagoras, 369 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: remember him the Paean theorem. So we're gonna get into 370 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: the mystery religions a little bit. Yeah, he spent several 371 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: decades in Africa and came back and the next thing 372 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's founding mystery cults. Orpheus, the orphic Um, 373 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: the orphic mystery cults founder. Well, he's supposedly a mythical figure, 374 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: but they also think he may be an actual historical 375 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: figure the music legend if he was real. There's part 376 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: of his legend is that he went and spent twenty 377 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: years in Memphis studying from the Egyptian So you kind 378 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: of get the idea that a lot of the Um 379 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: ideas of rebirth and reincarnation went from UM. The Hindus 380 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: to the Egyptians to the Greeks. And then remember we 381 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: talked about the Jefferson Bible being written or the Bible 382 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: being written by the Platonics. Yes, that plato uh was 383 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: derived from these mystery cults who believed in reincarnation, and 384 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: actually some Catholic cults, early Catholic cults um believed in 385 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: reincarnation as well, like the Cather's. Yeah, well, orphanism sounds 386 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: a lot like heaven and hell to me, because he 387 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: believed or they believe that leading a correct life leads 388 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: you to elysium, which is like a paradise, and if 389 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: you're evil, you'll get to a hell, right, but you 390 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: can die in the afterlife as well. Yeah it doesn't. 391 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: That's that's the main difference. You have to lead three 392 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: good orphic lives to get out of there. And what 393 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: what is leading a good orphic life? Chuck with this horrible, 394 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: horrible orphic life. Uh well no, no wine, no sex, 395 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: no meat. Vegetarianism is good. Yeah. So yeah, those are 396 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: a few of the tenants. Which is strange because this uh, 397 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: this is this orphan cult was actually an offshoot of 398 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: the Dianicing colt and they believed quite the opposite. They 399 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: would rip a goat um to death, to shreds a 400 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: live goat to shreds with their teeth as part of 401 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: their sacrifice, their ritual sacrifice. They get drunk as they 402 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: could on wine. They have sex and orgies, and they 403 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: eat everything right. And he and apparently Orpheus went to 404 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: Memphis and came back and said, Hey, I know what 405 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: you guys are trying to do, and that's a good idea, 406 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: but you're doing the opposite of what you should be doing. 407 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: Let's start leading this puritanical life. And that led to 408 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: this this um kind of idea that denying yourself was 409 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: a good way toward being a pure person. I think 410 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: you were starting to lead us down the road a 411 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: minute ago about Jiinism. Yeah, there's a couple of other 412 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: Indian religions jain is Um, and I always thought it 413 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: was Sikhism, but also saw something that said that's a 414 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: common mispronunciation. And then it's like say it, say it chisum. Nice. 415 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's right way to go. The 416 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: extra mile checkers, Well, who knows, you know, it's on 417 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: the internet. Might not be true, but jin is Um 418 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: they think that your soul accumulates karma as a bad thing. 419 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: It's an actual substance, physical substance, and that karma is 420 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: never good. Karma is always bad. It's your goal is 421 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: to rid yourself of karma on here on earth. Yeah, 422 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: and if you have these karmic particles, then your soul 423 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: is always going to bind to a body. Right, yes, 424 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: So if you can get rid of the karmic particles, 425 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: you're all right. Um. I also mentioned the Cather's right, 426 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: these were this was Um. They were from South France 427 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: and Spain, I believe, and they're the reason the Spanish 428 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: Inquisition was founded because they were considered this the heretical 429 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: sect of Catholicism, when basically they were vegetarians, they believed 430 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: in reincarnation. They were highly they followed this highly neo 431 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: Platonic tradition UM, and they accused the Roman Catholic Church 432 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: of being Um, the antichrist branch of Catholicism. The Roman 433 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: Catholic branch proved stronger, started setting up steaks, burning Kai 434 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: Thur's at them and basically ran them out of um existence. 435 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: But they believed in Um. You know that you shouldn't 436 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: eat me, that you could come back as as a 437 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: human or an animal. Um, and that they were just 438 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: kind of a kinder, gentler version of Catholicism, a little 439 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: less bloodthirsty. So chuck um. We talked about the West 440 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: being generally incredulous of this kind of thing, right, there 441 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: is a sterling exception as far as Westerners go, of 442 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, believing in reincarnation, and that exception took the 443 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: form of a guy named Dr Ian st Evenson, Right. Yeah, well, 444 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: he studied it. He never said that he believed it 445 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: was true. He just wanted to believe it was or 446 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: wanted to prove that it was at least a possibility. 447 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: So he spent his life pretty much until he died 448 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: in two thousand seven trying to do so. Uh. Founded 449 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: the Division of Personality Studies at u v A. Right, 450 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: which became I guess it was originally called the Division 451 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: of Perceptual Studies, right. Well, now it later became the 452 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: Perceptual Studies I get confuse them. It was originally personality studies. 453 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: And he was a Virginia cavalier. Yeah is that right? Huh? Okay, 454 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: go caps and uh. He had a lab basically where 455 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: he studied near death experiences. He studied children, mainly two 456 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: to five young kids who um you know to to 457 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: kind of like your a kid that you talked about 458 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: at the beginning two to five who had these stories 459 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: that um, could not be explained in ways that made 460 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: sense other than perhaps they were reincarnate. Did Yeah. Um, 461 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: there's there's been tons and tons and tons of cases. 462 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: Some are easily explained away, others aren't. But Stevenson apparently 463 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: investigated about him, Yeah, over forty years, but he was 464 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: pretty much shut down by mainstream his peers. He was 465 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: and he he was a true Fordian actually he was. Um. 466 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: He wanted to apply the scientific method to uh, the supernatural, right. 467 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: He just basically believed things that were considered supernatural were 468 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: just things that couldn't be explained by science right now. 469 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: But like you said, he was basically pushed to the 470 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: friends just because of his studies. But there's a lot 471 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: of people out there. I think he was successful in 472 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: in proving that it is possible for reincarnation, like the 473 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: kid who thought it was the World War two pilot's. 474 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: Stevenson would never say, like whether he believed in reincarnation 475 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: anything like that, but um about and like I think 476 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven he went out and bought a lock, 477 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: a combination lock, and set the combination himself, and then 478 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: used a mnemonic device to remember the combination, and he 479 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: stored the lock away. And he always said that the 480 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: reason why he did this he wanted to see if 481 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: he could um transmit the information thenemonic device to somebody 482 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: who could then go unlock this lock after he died. 483 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: And so far nobody's unlocked the lock in three years. 484 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: But oh, no, that disproves anything to you, No, of course, 485 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: not that it proves that no one's unlocked the lock. Yet, 486 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: that's diplomatic. I mean, get you a job in the 487 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: foreign service. Have you got anything else? Reincarnation? Yeah, the 488 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: Chinese government. Did you know they banned reincarnation without permission 489 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: from the Chinese government. I think I have heard that. 490 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: Actually when was this like a few years back? Yeah? 491 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,239 Speaker 1: They China like to ban things, as we all know, 492 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: and they banned reincarnation without uh consent from the Chinese government. 493 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: And basically, basically it's a way to keep the Dolli 494 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: llama from reincarnating and saying this is the next dolli Llama. 495 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: Basically he won't have permission to do so, so China 496 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: will be able to choose the next DOLLI Llama, and 497 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: the current Dolly says obviously, he said many times, I 498 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: Am not going to come back as long as uh 499 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: China is in power. Over to bet, he's boycotting reincarnation. 500 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's so much boycotting it, but 501 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: he's um he's gonna end up here. Well, I guess 502 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: he is boycotting. He says he refuses to be reborn 503 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: until that happens. But what's happening is I mean when 504 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: he dies, it's gonna be a little hinky because potentially 505 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: there might be two Dolly Llamas, the one China appoints 506 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: and the one, you know, the the real one. I 507 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: would call it. That will be awkward if they over 508 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: me or if they met Charley McLean remember that stuff. Sure, 509 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: And she claimed that she was reincarnated and she had 510 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: sex with Charlemagne. I didn't hear about the charm Charlott 511 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: magine part. Yeah, well, she said she she actually did 512 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: have an affair with the Swedish Prime Minister Olaf Palm 513 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: and he she said he was Charlemagne reincarnated, so supposedly, 514 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: she says she got it on with Charlemagne. Well, if 515 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: you want to know more about Charlemagne or reincarnation or 516 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: the Dolly Llama, we got tons of those articles. Um, 517 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: just come up with some good keywords and put them 518 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: in the handy search bar at how stuff works dot com, 519 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: which means it's time for chuck is it listener mail? 520 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: Are we back to listener mail? We are, all right, 521 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: it's time for the listener mail. Uh, quickly. We want 522 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: to support our Kiva team real quick. Beforehand, we need 523 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: to mention this because it's been a while. We're trying 524 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: to get to two hundred and fifty thou dollars um 525 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: by August. Oh, I don't know August. Let's stay in 526 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: the end of August. I think it was just at 527 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: the end of August, right, um, and we are plugging along. 528 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: I think we're at about one seventy right now, a 529 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy hundred and seventy thousand dollars raised by 530 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: the stuff you should know Kiva team, right, which is 531 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: far and away all stats aside, far and away the 532 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: greatest Kiva team ever assembled. All right, agreed, So we're 533 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: trying to get the two This is not an exclusive team, uh, 534 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: so if you want to join, you can donate in 535 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: increments of twenty five dollars. You um donate as a loan. 536 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: It's repaid. You don't make any interest back. But I 537 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: mean you get your twenty five dollars back UM and 538 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: it's pretty addictive in it. Chuck, I'm pretty hooked. Yes, 539 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: you can go to www dot kiva dot org slash 540 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: team slash stuff you should know right join or check 541 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: it out or whatever. Josh, I'm just gonna call this 542 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: one question that has been answered many times, but Sean 543 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: doesn't know the answer. That's a great title for this one, Chus, Chuck, Chuck, Josh, 544 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: and Jerry. I missed a Facebook questionnaire because I was 545 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: at working. My job prohibits Facebook. Thank god for s 546 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: Y s K, ABC News and Yes Stuff Mom Never 547 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: Told You podcast. It helps this twenty four year old 548 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: newlywed understand his smart, wonderful, beautiful, but very complex wife 549 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: a little better the best kind. His question is this, 550 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: who the heck is Hippie Rob. I'm pretty sure I've 551 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: listened to all the podcasts you have, not even the 552 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: ones before, Chuck, So which one explains Hippy Rob and 553 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: all my cube mates? Who also listen are wondering the 554 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: same thing we need to know is not a word, 555 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just a boring inside jokes joke that drives 556 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: us nuts. So sucks to be you pal Ps Jerry 557 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: at least cough or something. No, s I sk listener 558 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: believes you're real, and we wouldn't put it past Chuck 559 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: and Josh to make you up. This guy is really 560 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: suspicious one and demanding to Sean of Virginia Beach, little 561 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: bossy Sean, get with the program, buddy. Yeah, answers are 562 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: out there, Sean. We're gonna do a reverse on you. 563 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say who Hippie Rob is or 564 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: where the origin is, so Sean, Actually, instead of telling 565 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: you who Hippy Rob is, where he came from, et cetera, 566 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: We're going to put a request out to our listeners. 567 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: The first person who sends us an email and tells 568 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: us we're a Hippie Rob, first appearance, what episode, and 569 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: in what capacity that he's described? Right? Yeah? Uh. If 570 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: you do have that info, send it to stuff podcast 571 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com for more on this 572 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: and thousands of other topics. 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