1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 2: my name is Nola. 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named dot Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 3: you are you. 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 4: You are here. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want. 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: You to know. 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: It is Thursday evening, which means it's time for some 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: listener mail, some letters from home. We're gonna hear a 15 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: bunch of voicemails. We're gonna learn about bridges and coincidences. 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: We're going to learn about impossible propulsion that may be possible. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: We're gonna have some crucial updates on an ongoing investigation. 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: And we'll end with a lot of thank yous and 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: maybe some jokes. When you are walking by the gallows 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 3: of modern civilization, strolling through the graveyard of society, we 21 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 3: lift our voices. We can't help sing or whistle or 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: maybe make sport? What sports? 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 4: What you play? 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 5: Oh? 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: All right? 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 5: A veritable field of dreams is what we were all 27 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 5: about here. I've never seen that movie. Have you guys 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 5: seen Field of Dreams? Starting with the baseball ghosts? 29 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 4: Is that the deal? 30 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: He's during the halcyon days of the Coostner Garth Brooks era. 31 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 4: Oh okay, So are the ghosts? 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 5: Do they appear as like apparitions like force ghosts in 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 5: the Star Wars movies? 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 4: What do they look like when you meet these baseball ghosts? 35 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: I don't want to spoil it for you, man, fild 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: the field. 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: Fair enough, we'll come. 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 5: Well, we're talking about baseball a little bit, and we're 39 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 5: also talking about super fun sites and how the Twain meets. 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 5: And remember how I joked about how when I first 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 5: started hearing about super fun sites, for the longest time, 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 5: I thought they were saying super fun sites, which one 43 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 5: could apply that designation to a baseball field. So let's 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 5: hear from one of our regular contributors, GP Scooch Gents. 45 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: In a recent episode, you asked for our stories and 46 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 5: experience with local superfund or hazardous waste sites. Well, I 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 5: do have quite a few acres on which we live, 48 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 5: so not exactly in my backyard, but there are actually 49 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 5: two such sites nearby about six miles from our home 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 5: is a former lead mine. Actually pretty common in this 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 5: part of southwest Missouri. This one, However, in Aurora, Missouri, 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 5: has am I allowed. 53 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: To say Missouri? Is that like? Sounds like I'm being 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: too colloquial, Isn't. 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 5: It's American English? Okay, we'll just go for it. I 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 5: don't know why I'm saying it. I feel like I'm 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 5: pronouncing it the way the locals pronounced. 58 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna go with that. 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 5: In Aurora, Missouri has never been completely sealed and the 60 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 5: surround in grounds completely cleaned, So naturally the city built 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 5: a park bordering the site, including a baseball field we 62 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 5: used at the high school when I was teaching slash 63 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 5: coaching there. The area was clearly marked and signage advised 64 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 5: everyone to keep out. This meant most foul balls and 65 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 5: some home runs hit out of the field along the 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 5: first base side wound up inside the perimeter of the 67 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 5: old mine. 68 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 4: There are two big problems here. 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 5: Baseballs are not inexpensive, and schools have budgets. There was 70 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 5: no way to just leave them within sight. Also rare 71 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 5: is the parent who does not wish to have their 72 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 5: son's home run baseball as a Trophy. It became necessary 73 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 5: to station an adult each game to be the official 74 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 5: baseball retriever from the restricted area. Oof do they issue 75 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 5: them has bat suits? 76 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: Holy Cow. 77 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 5: More importantly, twelve miles away is the community of Verona Fair, Verona, Missouri. 78 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 5: In the nineteen seventies, the chemical dioxin caused the evacuation 79 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 5: and federal buy out of the Saint Louis suburb of 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 5: Times Beach. I do not remember if you or the 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 5: stuff you should know guys did an episode on this. 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 5: It was one of the first superfund sites and the 83 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 5: town was destroyed and the soil to something like four 84 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 5: feet deep was removed and incinerated. The area is now 85 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 5: yes a park. The contamination had been caused by road 86 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 5: oil sprayed regularly to keep down the dust of the 87 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 5: dirt and gravel roads. While all of this was discovered 88 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 5: in the investigation, it was also discovered the dioxin originally 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 5: was sold to the company doing the spraying by a 90 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 5: chemical company in Verona, where the dioxin infused oil was 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 5: a waste product. This plant still exists and operates today. Yes, 92 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 5: cleanup was done, but over the last fifty years it 93 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 5: has experienced a series of problems. In twenty nineteen, the 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 5: EPA investigated the area and found remnants of agent orange. 95 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 5: In twenty twenty two, the EPA issued sixteen citations against 96 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 5: the plant and its safety programs. In twenty twenty too, 97 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 5: Pro Publica identified the area as a toxic air pollution hotspot, 98 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 5: and in twenty twenty three, the EPA again sent representatives 99 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 5: to Verona to hear concerns about the Pro Publica and 100 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 5: other reports to help explain the higher than average rates 101 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: of cancer in the small town heard this story before 102 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 5: through all owners. The problems continue. The state and federal 103 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 5: government are involved, but as of just last year, cancer 104 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 5: rates and violations both continue. My personal opinion is that 105 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 5: if the products produced at the plant helped cause the 106 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 5: evacuation of a community on the other side of the state, 107 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 5: the originator of such substances might require a little more supervision, inspection, 108 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: and involvement by regulatory agencies. Still, GP scoochs here and 109 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 5: use what you will, and we will and we did. 110 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: GP. 111 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 4: This is fabulous. 112 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 5: Not fabulous in the content of what this means, but 113 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 5: this is exactly the kind of stuff we were looking for. 114 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: Like, what is it like to live around this stuff. 115 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 5: What does the government to do with these as they 116 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 5: pertain to communities? And in this situation, it sure feels 117 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 5: like just kind of building something on top of it 118 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 5: that like kids are going to be playing in. It's 119 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 5: very dystopian feeling to me. I don't know, maybe I'm 120 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 5: overreacting a little bit, but I don't think so. I 121 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 5: don't think you are a lot like brushing it under. 122 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: The rug, you know, right, Yeah, And we heard from 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: we heard from Scooch quite recently as well, GGP Scooch 124 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 3: who hipped us to an obscene clone fall, which still 125 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 3: it's a great shaggy dog story, but we know this 126 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: is we know this is serious business, Scooch. And you 127 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: know this may be in reaction to letter from another 128 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: conspiracy realist about the Westlake landfill. There are tons of 129 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: these things, and a lot of them don't make any 130 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 3: national news. Like to your point, no, we need need 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: the public to be more aware of these things because often, 132 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 3: you know, often the way you hide this sort of 133 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: stuff from your constituency or your municipality is to make 134 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 3: it one of the public commons, right, make it a 135 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: public area. Here is a park, Here is where all 136 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: the kids can go play. It's tough. 137 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 5: Well, the implication being it's fine, right, because we wouldn't 138 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 5: have done this if it weren't fine, because this is 139 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 5: the most vulnerable of our population that we're telling it's 140 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 5: okay to go there. 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: And yet the whole. 142 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 5: Baseball retrieval thing, for some reason, it makes me think 143 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 5: of the sandlot. You know, there is that neighbor with 144 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 5: the big scary dog, and in order to get the 145 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: balls they had. 146 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: To like go, you know, do battle with this giant 147 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 4: monster kind of mutant dog. 148 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 5: I just can't imagine how comfortable these parents or teachers 149 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 5: would be having to go scavenge and what they know 150 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 5: is a potentially contaminated area just to get back a baseball. 151 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: Recently, I think, just as Reesay is a few years ago, 152 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 3: was twenty twenty one, I think the US Supreme Court 153 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: made an increasingly rare unanimous ruling regarding superfund sites and 154 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: the Clean Water Act all to say, people know there 155 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: is a problem, right, and the time window on this 156 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: problem could be quite elongated, right because exposure to some 157 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: of the chemicals or contamination of superfund sites, the bill 158 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 3: doesn't come do there sometimes for decades? Right, But you know, 159 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: trust us, it's fine, take your kids to the playground. 160 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 5: Well, I just found an EPA dot gov page where 161 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: you can search for superfund sites near you, and I 162 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 5: just narrowed it down to Georgia. And I guess I 163 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 5: had to have known this when I was working for 164 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 5: public radio back in the day. But Augusta, which is 165 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 5: where I was stationed and where I grew up, it 166 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 5: seems like it comes up on the list more than 167 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 5: just about any other place in the state. 168 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: There's I think five, let's see. 169 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 5: There's only one in Atlanta, in Fulton County, the west 170 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 5: side lead plant, and that's the only I'm not seeing 171 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 5: any in like adjacent counties here in Atlanta. 172 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 4: One in Athens. 173 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, the whole deal with these is 174 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 5: like we don't really know what the long term ramifications 175 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 5: of some of the stuff is. And we often see 176 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 5: scientists and researchers trying to draw lines between these sites 177 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 5: and rates of cancer, and they're often a little bit 178 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 5: hard to kind of draw those direct lines, the direct correlations. 179 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a super fun site, to be clear, is 180 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: is not always contaminated with the same kind of nasty stuff. Right. 181 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 3: It's a group term similar to saying cancer or saying chair. 182 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 3: So the contamination in one site may indeed be more 183 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: dangerous than the contamination in another site, or it may 184 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: have a different set of deleitaria health effects. So there's 185 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: it's rough and it's terrifying because again of that of 186 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 3: that window of time to your point, No, yes, there 187 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: are searchable databases, but a lot of it is not 188 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 3: out there in your face. Right, these kind of warnings, 189 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: I would argue, you do need to be out there 190 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 3: in your face. You need to know immediately your location, 191 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: your proximity two a super fun site, and your possible 192 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: exposure to anything within that site, because they're also not 193 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: all cleaned up to the same level, that's. 194 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 5: Right, and also to know what the cleanup efforts ongoing, 195 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 5: you know, look like or if they are ongoing. 196 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: And I'm sorry I misspoke. 197 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 5: Augusta has three, but it does seem to be one 198 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 5: of the most super funded cities in the state of Georgia. 199 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 5: Cedar Town is another one that has three as well. 200 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 5: But that's the maximum number that I'm seeing on this list, 201 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 5: and of the overall number in the entire list, it 202 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 5: looks like there's oney nine hundred and one. 203 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: Which doesn't cover the full extent of possibly contaminated sites 204 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 3: in the US, because I think it did. Super funds 205 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 3: didn't become a thing until nineteen eighty, which was a 206 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: long time ago now, but still there was also a 207 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 3: lot of other dirty stuff. The soil was sour around 208 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: the US well before nineteen eighty. 209 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 5: Well, these are the ones that get that designation, and 210 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 5: there's obviously some bureaucratic red tape that has to be 211 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 5: you know, sifted through to even get these to be recognized. 212 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: And I wonder if anybody has been able to lobby 213 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,599 Speaker 3: or buy their way out of a super fun designation, 214 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 3: you know. 215 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 5: Or certainly a good question, ben, because do you get 216 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 5: wind No one intend that, I guess if we're talking 217 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 5: about fallout or the way contamination can spread, of this 218 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 5: in advance and then kind of try to call in 219 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 5: a favor. Certainly wouldn't be a good look if the 220 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 5: public found out. But again, these are exactly making front 221 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 5: page headlines. 222 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, there are, I guess. Unfortunately, there are entities or 223 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: groups that would prefer you not know about a local 224 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: superfund site, or prefer that something not be designated as one. 225 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 3: But probably the most important part of this conversation. Is 226 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: that searchable database that you brought up there at all? 227 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: Can you tell people the easiest way to find it? Yeah? 228 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 5: I just googled superfund sites, you know, and this EPA 229 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 5: list came right up, and you can search it by 230 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 5: state and by keyword. And like I said, it's not 231 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 5: a massive I mean, you know, two thousand roughly, it's 232 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 5: pretty big number in terms of this kind of thing, 233 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 5: I guess, but it's maybe I would have thought there 234 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 5: might have been more. But you can search and make 235 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 5: sure that you know where they are in your area. 236 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 4: But I don't know what do you guys think about? 237 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 5: Like again, all super fund the sites aren't created equal, 238 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 5: and you know, one would hope that if they're building 239 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 5: a baseball field or a park that the areas adjacent 240 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 5: to them would. 241 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 4: Be like an outright death trap. 242 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 5: But do we trust them to make that assessments or 243 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 5: what do you guys think? 244 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 245 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 3: There are two there are two main paths that the 246 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 3: Congressional Act, like the super Fund deal allows for the 247 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: first is what's removable, what's called removable actions. That's the 248 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 3: more short term where you just take the dirty stuff out. 249 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: And then there are remedial actions which are more long term, 250 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: which is where you try to uh, you attempt to 251 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: make the thing a usable piece of land again, right, 252 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: this this remediation which they try to make the potentially 253 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: responsible party or PRP pay for it, you know, the 254 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 3: person or the group who did the pollution. So in theory, 255 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: when things are properly cleaned out and brought back to 256 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: some kind of baseline of safety in theory, then that 257 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: land and all the stuff around it is okay, is safe. 258 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: The problem is how often does the practice jibe with 259 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: the theory, right or the letters of the law. 260 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 5: I think that's very well said Ben Matt. You got 261 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 5: anything else to add before we take a break. 262 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to shoot people over to that pro 263 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 2: publica piece that was talked about in the message. It 264 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: is titled quote when Home is a Toxic hot Spot. 265 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 2: It was written December fifteenth, twenty twenty one, and it's 266 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: a rather extensive piece on Verona, Missouri there and just 267 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: what the folks were going through at the time, just 268 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: being aware of these substances, you know, in the air, 269 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: in the soil, in the water, and not being able 270 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: to do anything about it, but still having to just 271 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: live your life. 272 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 5: That's the thing too you mentioned in the soil, because 273 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 5: a lot of these things can leach into the soil, 274 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 5: and you know, of course they take tests over time 275 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: to make sure that the levels are allowable or like 276 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 5: within certain acceptable you know, ranges or whatever. 277 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 4: But some of these pits that they you know, bury 278 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 4: some of. 279 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 5: These materials, and certainly that was the case in one 280 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 5: near where I was growing up in Augusta. They have 281 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 5: these linings that can over time be compromised and can leak. 282 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 5: So even if that the lining or whatever is the mitigation, 283 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 5: it has to be maintained and has to be like 284 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 5: checked on. And sometimes you know, with budgets and stuff 285 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 5: and just shuffling and bureaucracy, sometimes those things can't fall 286 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 5: between the cracks. So yeah, just something to keep an 287 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 5: eye on. Well, let's take a quick break, have a 288 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 5: word from one of our sponsors, and then come back 289 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 5: with another piece of listener mail. 290 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: And we've returned. We're gonna jump to the phone lines 291 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: and hear first from Joe. 292 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 6: Say, man, no one, Ben, I had a thing I'd 293 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 6: like you guys to look into. My name's Joe from Pittsburgh. 294 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 6: I am seeming to be the only one that finds 295 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 6: it extremely coincident that on January twenty eighth of twenty two, 296 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 6: there is a bridge in a area of Pittsburgh that 297 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 6: collapsed early in the morning. And usually this bridge has 298 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 6: massive amounts of traffic. There was like three there was 299 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 6: a uh, you know, a mass transit bus, and then 300 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 6: two passenger vehicles on this bridge when this bridge collapsed. 301 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 6: The coincidental part about it is President Joe Biden was 302 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 6: flying to Pittsburgh that morning to pitch his infrastructure bill. 303 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 6: What better way to get to, you know, chum up 304 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 6: support for your infrastructure bill than the city you're going 305 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 6: to to pitch your bill has a bridge collapse. I 306 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 6: found it extremely odd. I've had a few people that 307 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 6: I've spoke to. I've also emailed multiple podcasts about this. 308 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 6: Can't seem to get anybody to look into it. Don't 309 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 6: think I'm crazy, but just not a coincidence. 310 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: Thank you, m thank you for calling. Ten people were injured, 311 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: but non fatally if I recall correctly. 312 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: Yes, you can find an article right now in whereas 313 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: this Pittsburgh magazine and it says ten people escape serious 314 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: injury and Forbes Avenue fo r Bes Avenue bridge collapse 315 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: and that is a bridge that goes over a place 316 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: called fern Hollow f e r n h o Lllow 317 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: Creek that it really did collapse on the morning that 318 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: President Joe Biden actually was headed to Pittsburgh to go 319 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: and pitch his infrastructure bill. And there is a picture 320 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 2: you can find on Getty Images of President Biden standing 321 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: there shaking hands with somebody and the background is the 322 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: collapsed bridge. 323 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 3: You can also see video of it on New York Times. 324 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: I mean, this was pub was pretty widely. You can 325 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: see the immediate aftermath, and we're just very fortunate no 326 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 3: one died because it's heinus. 327 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, there really is a You can see a picture 328 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: of the bus, the red bus that fell down and 329 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: one of the passenger vehicles that landed or ended up 330 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 2: on its roof like laying on the ground. It looks horrifying. 331 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: It looks like people died, but again thankfully they did not. 332 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, perhaps an opportunistic photo op, but it 333 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 5: does appear that this bridge should have been condemned many 334 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 5: years prior because of disrepair and issues. 335 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 2: Well yeah, well, you see, here's the problem. We've been 336 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: talking about infrastructure in the United States for how many 337 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: years now, guys. 338 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: I mean when we first started the video series, it 339 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: was one of the things I was going to write 340 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: an episode about it. But for a long time, the 341 00:18:54,560 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 3: American public didn't care, right, Yeah, and that's hopefully slowly changing. 342 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, we have on the audio side of this, 343 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: as a group, we've been talking about infrastructure for quite 344 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: some time. And thankful, by the way for anybody else 345 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: who does so. You know, John Oliver did a great 346 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: piece of it on it last week tonight. 347 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just the need to revamp a lot of 348 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: the bridges. I mean really it's bridges, roads, what levies, 349 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: all kinds of things that exist in states across the 350 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: United States. That water wire, oh yeah, how everything It 351 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: all requires constant upkeep just to make sure things are 352 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: running smoothly. But often state and federal budgets go to 353 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 2: other things because other things take priority over the stuff 354 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: that's already working. Right, That's at least the perception that 355 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: often occurs in our own minds, because you don't think 356 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 2: about the bridge when you go over it. If you're 357 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: going across Spaghetti Junction here in Atlanta, you do. 358 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: Sometimes No, I do I do it, freaks. 359 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 3: I've walked the length of the highest one non consensually. 360 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: And I wish more people thought about the fact that 361 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: they are in a very dangerous situation. No matter what, 362 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't matter if you have easy listening 363 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 3: playing in your car, you know what I mean. You're 364 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 3: at a high speed in some tight curves, and you know, 365 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 3: the rule with driving and playing the dark lottery of 366 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 3: traffic is always you can do your best, but it 367 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: doesn't really matter. If you do your best, it matters 368 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: that everybody else adheres to him. I don't know, man. 369 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: You know, we were doing a live tour a while back, 370 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: and a bridge on I eighty five here in our 371 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: fair metropolis, a segment of that just collapsed under I'll 372 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: still say it murky circumstance, as of. 373 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 5: Some fire that happened underneath it, like weakened it or 374 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 5: something that was supposedly caused by a errant crack pipe, 375 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 5: if I'm not mistaken. 376 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 3: Shopping cart on fire and then and you. 377 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: Know the mark still video of that incident. 378 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 3: By the way, Yeah, the murky part of that. Even if, 379 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: even if that those official public conclusions are true in 380 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 3: the ID five case, how horrifying is it that that 381 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: bridge was hanging on by such a thread, Like how 382 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: many bridges in America are one crack pipe on the 383 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: underbelly away from collapsing? Right now? 384 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 2: Well, that's the whole point of this. Okay, let's get 385 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 2: back to this Forbes Avenue Bridge again. That's going over 386 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: that place called fern Hollow Creek in Pittsburgh that collapsed 387 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: the day President Biden showed up. According to the Pennsylvania 388 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: Dot this bridge is owned by the City of Pittsburgh. 389 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: It was built in nineteen seventy and it had a 390 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 2: very recent inspection report as of that date in twenty 391 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: twenty two that rated both its deck and its superstructure 392 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: the entirety of it as quote poor, which is not good. 393 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 2: And it's one of eighty bridges in that county, Allegheny County, 394 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 2: that were rated as in poor condition overall. So one 395 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: of eighty in that one county, one of them collapsed. 396 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 2: It just happened to be, you know, perfect timing somehow. 397 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: I don't know, guys, I don't think it's a matter 398 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: of I mean, it is a coincidence, but I don't 399 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: think it's a matter of like collapsing a bridge on purpose. 400 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 2: I think it's just actually the state of a lot 401 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: of the infrastructure. 402 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I'd agree with that. 403 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 5: It would be the kind of place where it would 404 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 5: make sense already to visit. But I bet there were 405 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 5: some people on Biden's team. 406 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 4: That were like, yes, that's a win. 407 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: Oh sure. 408 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 7: Yeah. 409 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: So here's here's a helpful rubric or heuristic for thinking 410 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: through these kind of things. When we question coincidence or 411 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: causation or conspiracy, correlation, et cetera, we have to also 412 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: ask ourselves what else happened on that day? Right if 413 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 3: the president time had not visited on that day. Pittsburgh's 414 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 3: a big city, and it is quite possible that we 415 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: could draw another troubling correlation between some other event that 416 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 3: happened in Pittsburgh at that time. I'm not saying that 417 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 3: is the case. I'm just saying that's a helpful critical 418 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: thinking approach to some of this stuff. To Knowles's point 419 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: about opportunism, yeah I agree, absolutely, But opportunism is not 420 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: the same thing as conspiracy. It's just a cynical coattail 421 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 3: writing of disaster. 422 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: Quick snap that picture. Let's go all right, guys, do 423 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: you think we have time for one more before we 424 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: get out of this segment. I think, so okay, here 425 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 2: we go. Let's jump to Matt the firefighter. 426 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 8: I got, I got you. Dylan's been listen to see 427 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 8: for a long time, for several years now. Just wanted 428 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 8: to give you a shot. My name's Matt. I am 429 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 8: a firefighter, been a firefighter for about twelve years. One 430 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 8: thing that they might not want us to know is 431 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 8: that firefighter turnout gear has a chemical called pithos fas. 432 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 8: It is a known carcinogen. It causes cancer in firefighters. 433 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 8: And all of our turnout gear, the gear that we 434 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 8: wear whenever we go into fires as p pass in it. 435 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 8: It is causing us cancer. They know that it does this, 436 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 8: and yet they have no turnout gear that's n FPA approved. 437 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 8: That NFPA is National Fire Protection Agency. They create the 438 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 8: national standards for our turnout. 439 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 7: Gears as well as. 440 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 8: Many many other topics. But anyways, they know that our 441 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 8: turnout gear causes cancer, and we still have no alternative. 442 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 8: We have no alternative turnout gear that we can purchase 443 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 8: and wear that is NFPA approved, that does not cause cancer, 444 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 8: that does not have p foss in it. So I 445 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 8: encourage you guys to look into that and to do 446 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 8: an episode on that because it's a it's a big 447 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 8: deal firefighters have. Depending on study you read, firefighters have 448 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 8: between a two hundred to three and fifty percent increase 449 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 8: chance of catching cancer because of the work we do. 450 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 8: And I think that this is something that people should 451 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 8: know about. Thank you for hearing me out. Wish you 452 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 8: guys the boss, love your work. I'm going to continue 453 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 8: listening to you guys. Good luck to you, talk to you. 454 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 3: Later, and good luck to you. Matt the firefighter. Thank 455 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: you for being a firefighter. I think there's some of 456 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: the most unappreciated professionals in society. 457 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Matt. Thank you for letting us know about that. Previously, 458 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 2: when we've talked about these forever chemicals like the per 459 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: and poly fluoro alcohol substances that's p FOSS. When we've 460 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: talked about those in the past, we've talked about all 461 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: the stuff that they're in, including well mostly we've talked 462 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 2: about firefighting chemicals. Right, the foams that are often used 463 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: in the process of fighting a fire. Someone something a 464 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 2: firefighter would wield. 465 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 3: Right suppression flame Retardan says they were called as a 466 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 3: general term. 467 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. We talked about those things and how dangerous 468 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 2: they can be if you get exposed to them. A lot. 469 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: One thing we didn't consider what the firefighter is actually 470 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: wearing on their body. It makes sense that these pieces 471 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: of heavy clothing would also be treated with something like 472 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 2: this that would be again a repellent or a retardant 473 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 2: of fire. Oh my gosh, you guys in what was 474 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: the thing that Matt referenced? The National Fire Protection Association. 475 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: It's a thing you can look up right now, and 476 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 2: recently several organizations, including NIST put out let's see this 477 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 2: is January twenty sixteen, they put out a report about 478 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: how wear and tear on firefighter's warrant equipment is going 479 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: to actually cause those pieces of equipment to release even 480 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: more forever chemicals than the firefighter is already being exposed 481 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: to just by wearing them consistently, and it's just increasing 482 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 2: the potential to have cancer. It's like the increasing your 483 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: probability that you will one day develop cancer. 484 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: It does appear. 485 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 5: There's a pretty significant class action lawsuit against pfast manufacturers, 486 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 5: with thousands of firefighters across. 487 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 4: The country suing. 488 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 5: I believe three M is one of the parties named 489 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 5: to manufacture these types of chemicals, and I believe the 490 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 5: FDA only recently just pass something that limits the amount 491 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 5: of the stuff that can be in drinking water, which 492 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 5: seems like we're behind the times. 493 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 4: On this one. 494 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that stuff is in everything there was 495 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: These forever chemicals were found in sources of water that 496 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 2: should not have any forever chemicals in them, because that 497 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: water is theoretically dropping from the sky from clouds and 498 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: rain water into sources higher up, like in mountains, that 499 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: go into springs that then flow down and get filtered naturally, 500 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: and yet somehow there's still p foss in them. 501 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 4: Yikes. 502 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 2: You can read a statement, actually a joint statement from 503 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: the International Association of Firefighters or the IAFF and the 504 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: Metropolitan Fire Chiefs Association that discusses this exact thing. Again. 505 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: It's going to just what do What do you do? 506 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: As Matt the firefighter, when you know the stuff you're 507 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: going to wear to go fight a fire is probably 508 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: going to contribute to you getting cancer one day, And 509 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 2: right now, there is, as Matt said, nothing else you 510 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: can do, because you can't just wear civ's or regular 511 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: clothes when you go into fight a fire, because those 512 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: are flammable. We need an alternative basically, So this is 513 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: a call to all you entrepreneurs out there who are 514 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: good in textiles or maybe have some friends or family 515 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: in the textiles industry. Create something new that firefighters can 516 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 2: wear that don't have these specific chemical treatments. That's all 517 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: I've got. Guys, you're here all right, And with that 518 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: we will take a break and then hear more messages 519 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: from you. 520 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: And we have returned at the conclusion of our weekly 521 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: listener mail. We wanted to begin with a critical update. 522 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: If you just had this on in the background and 523 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 3: you were, you know, kind of tuning out. We've all 524 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: been there, please snap in the fingers conspiracy realist, hear 525 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 3: us and hear us Well, I'd like to play a 526 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: message from Rob with a crucial update on something that 527 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 3: I know has been on everybody's mind. 528 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 7: Here we go, Hey, guys, this is Rob from the 529 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 7: Armpit of the Midwest. Just an observation here. I'm watching 530 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 7: Rebel Moon Part two and I just wanted to chime 531 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 7: in on the humble Farmer. Within the first thirty seconds 532 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 7: of this movie, the word humble was uttered and I 533 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 7: couldn't help but remember your fine episodes, the Humble Farmer 534 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 7: has been mentioned. Just made me laugh, made me laugh 535 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 7: pretty hard. 536 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 3: Thank you. That is why you tune in, folks for 537 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: the up to the minute breaking news on the Humble Farmer. 538 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 3: We brought the Scargiver back. Did you see that? That's 539 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 3: the name of I saw the second part. It's getting 540 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 3: rebel Moon to the scar Giver. 541 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: Rob, the same guy you called it about Hard Candy 542 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: last week. 543 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: Rob. Appreciate your update there and thank you on behalf 544 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: of everybody tuning in. Honestly behind the curtain and I 545 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: just put that in because I love those updates. 546 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 4: It's the Humble Farmer effect. 547 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it is. It is. Ask your sociologist friends 548 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: about it. We have something else that I think maybe 549 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: a future episode. Would love to hear your thoughts, fellow 550 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 3: conspiracy realist. It comes from Secret Soup Can. Secret Soup Can, 551 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: you said the following, Good morning, lads, I ran across 552 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 3: this article this morning. What do you think? Love the show? 553 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 3: Keep up the great work. Secret soup Can sent us 554 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: a link that you can and should read if you 555 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 3: are interested at all In the following conversation. It comes 556 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 3: to us from the debrief dot Org NASA veterans, propellantless 557 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: propulsion drive that physics says shouldn't work, just produced enough 558 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: thrust to overcome Earth's gravity. This is big if true. 559 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 2: Both WHOA Sorry, I've read the same article and I 560 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: don't think I just don't believe it until I see 561 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 2: it happen. 562 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 3: That's the thing too, right. This is something I think 563 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: is good for us to unpack because what was it 564 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: the em drive a few years back, the electromagnetic drive 565 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 3: that was supposed to revolutionari space exploration. This is the 566 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: story of a guy. This one is a story of a 567 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: guy named doctor Charles Buller Bueller Bueller, Yeah, rus who's 568 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 3: they is a NASA engineer and the co founder of 569 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: an organization called Exodus Propulsion Technologies. And their claims are 570 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: pretty extraordinary and thus far they have not been universally confirmed. 571 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: Let's just give you a piece from what the doctor said. 572 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 3: He is a NASA engineer, He's not just some random 573 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: guy that he told the debrief the following quote. The 574 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: most important message to convey to the public is that 575 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 3: a major discovery occurred. This discovery of a new force 576 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 3: is fundamental in that electric fields alone can generate a 577 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: sustainable force onto an object and allow center of mass 578 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 3: translation of said object without expelling mass. All right, just 579 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 3: unpack that current. That's not a thing outside of science fiction, 580 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: like the idea of this technology. I'm with you there, Matt. 581 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: I also thought this felt a little bit vaporware, like 582 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 3: we were talking about biotech earlier, expelling mass meaning. 583 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: What Well, like, okay, imagine you're burning jet fuel, right, 584 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: you watch the launch of anything that's going to escape 585 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: Earth's gravitational poll. It is shoving shoving stuff out the 586 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: tail end right through the form of gas that's ignited. 587 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: This is basically saying that nothing is going out the 588 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: tail end. It's just turned on and then the flow 589 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: of what electrons. 590 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, it just goes. It's like cold fusion esque kind 591 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 4: of stuff. 592 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: Right. 593 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like all the good stuff. 594 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 5: Without any of the bad stuff or any of the 595 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 5: byproducts or violent reactions. 596 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to know, get me wrong. I think 597 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 2: it's amazing, Like, oh yeah, sweet, just just show show me, 598 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: don't tell me. 599 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 4: That's all fair. 600 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, to document his team's discovery and to in an 601 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 3: attempt to show the process behind their work. This guy 602 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 3: who's leading the charge over at Exodus, which is again 603 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 3: a private company. He presented his findings at something that 604 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: I was not aware of, the Alternative Propulsion Energy Conference 605 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 3: or APEC, not to be confused with OPEK. This has 606 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: a lot of career engineers and then it has a 607 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 3: lot of what we'll call enthusiasts, right, interested people. They 608 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 3: may not have a degree, they may not work from 609 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 3: NASA or a defense corporation, but they are intensely interested 610 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 3: in the concept of new propulsion technology. The debrief once 611 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 3: referred to this as the world's most exclusive and strange 612 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 3: anti gravity club, which sounds like it'd be cool to 613 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 3: go to. At one point we went to a Muffon 614 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 3: conference before that was fascinating. 615 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, if we can get an invite APEC, send it 616 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: our way. 617 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 3: We're talking specifically to you, Tim. 618 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 4: Ventura doesn't anti gravity just in general. 619 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 5: I know it describes a concept of defying gravity through 620 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 5: various means, but in my mind it immediately conjures hovercrafts 621 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 5: or like magical flying cars. 622 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: The Nazi bell or something luck so on. 623 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know hovercrafts are real, but the idea of 624 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 5: being able to float without any byproduct, so just kind 625 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 5: of like whatever it might be, electromagnetic or otherwise. 626 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 4: Right, things that don't exist is. 627 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 3: What I'm getting at, things that have not been proven 628 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: to exist, right, even if and even that might be 629 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 3: a little bit too careful on our part, But if 630 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 3: we look at his background, we do know that he 631 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 3: is the top expert at NASA in something called electrostatics. 632 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 3: And again he's very careful to say, you know, this 633 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 3: endeavor is not affiliated with my day job, but he 634 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 3: does work with concepts that apparently he informed his work 635 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 3: on this apulsion alternative, and he says, we've been looking 636 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 3: into this. They call it propellantless propulsion, and they said 637 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 3: they've been working on it for over twenty years and 638 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 3: they found the answer under their proverbial noses electrostatics, which 639 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,799 Speaker 3: he had already been working on. And I don't know, 640 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 3: Like I've looked into it, and I see a lot 641 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 3: of excitement, I see a lot of sound and fury. 642 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 3: I don't know what it signifies. We also saw different 643 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 3: phases of testing that they rolled out, like testing in 644 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 3: a vacuum. We saw an explanation of the materials that 645 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 3: they try to use to create this reaction or this phenomenon, 646 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 3: and they started seeing precipitous results in twenty twenty two. 647 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 3: Just for context here, this article from the debrief was 648 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: published on April nineteenth, twenty twenty four. I'm hesitant to 649 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 3: get too into the needs of the technology without a 650 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 3: lot more research on our end, Like I think this 651 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 3: could be an episode or the overall idea of the 652 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 3: alternative propulsion industry. 653 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 4: Isn't it being described as a new force? 654 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 3: That's yeah, yeah, he said that quote. Yeah, capital in 655 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 3: capital f new force, which sounds cool. You know, it 656 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 3: sounds like it's in the Star Wars franchise. I mean, 657 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 3: watch it. 658 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 4: I will say that. 659 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 5: You know, electrostatic energy is interesting, and I've seen it 660 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 5: certainly on small scales, right, like if it's what I'm 661 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 5: thinking of, like even just in terms of like static 662 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 5: electricity delivering a shock or being able to charge a 663 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 5: balloon and have it kind of like propel. You know, 664 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 5: it's magnetized essentially using electrostatic force. If I'm not mistaken, 665 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 5: I'm not a scientist here, but it's I don't quite 666 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 5: and maybe it's not for me to understand understand how 667 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 5: that could be scaled in such a way where anything 668 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 5: in its path wouldn't be obliterated. 669 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 3: There's another aspect to it too. You know, we always 670 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 3: want to dig when we hear about a private company. 671 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 3: If you go to their website, their website is pretty 672 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 3: much like a dummy site with a place where you 673 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 3: can put your email. You're not going to see, at 674 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 3: least on that site, You're not going to see a 675 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 3: bunch of information about showing your work means methods testing. 676 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 3: The debrief article is actually much more, much more in 677 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 3: depth than the website, And that doesn't mean that it's 678 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 3: inherently fake. It just means that we the public need 679 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 3: the information explained in a way that the layperson can understand. 680 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 3: Because full disclosure, folks, the four of us recording this evening, 681 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 3: and like maybe you listeny along at home, we do 682 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 3: not have expertise in the bleeding edge of electrostatic science. 683 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 3: I think we understand it clearly. 684 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 4: That's the case. 685 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 5: From my hand fisted attempt at describing, not at all. 686 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 5: And when you do dig for information on this, you 687 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 5: kind of see the same press release regurgitated a bunch 688 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,240 Speaker 5: of times and with some questions like from the debrief, 689 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 5: but no real data or video or anything tangible to 690 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 5: back it up. 691 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 3: So I'm bringing this up because I think this would 692 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 3: be thank you, Thank You, Secret Soup. I'm bringing this 693 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 3: up because I think this is an episode based on 694 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 3: the other similar efforts that have happened in recent years, 695 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 3: like the em Drive the Quantum Drive, both of which 696 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: remained very controversial. Apparently they got some level of result 697 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 3: enough to encourage interest in the international sphere and in 698 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 3: the sphere of investors, but neither of those have been 699 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 3: tested in space. The Quantum drive got really close. There 700 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 3: was a launch in November of twenty twenty three, but 701 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 3: it was laid low. A failure the satellite's electric systems, 702 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 3: unrelated to the drive, scuttled the test. And at the 703 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 3: risk of sounding too cynical, it kind of calls to 704 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 3: mind the similarities of apocalyptic cult leaders when they're like, Hey, 705 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 3: the world was definitely going to end, but we got 706 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 3: the dates wrong, So stick with me, stay in the cult, 707 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 3: you know. And I'm not accusing these guys necessary. I'm 708 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,080 Speaker 3: not accusing these guys of being con artists. We haven't 709 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,400 Speaker 3: spoken with them at all. We just need much more information. 710 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 3: And if anything, this is a clarion call to those 711 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 3: of us playing along at home. If you have expertise 712 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:40,400 Speaker 3: in this material science, engineering, physics, propulsion. If you are 713 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 3: a literal rocket scientist, we want to hear from you. 714 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 2: Yes, and I just signed us up via their website 715 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 2: that you mentioned Ben for their emails. 716 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 5: I did just want to mention I found a conversation 717 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 5: about this on Reddit and somebody sort. 718 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 4: Of you know again, don't know. I can't really measure this. 719 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 5: Person's bona fides, but said, the amount of force in 720 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 5: the low Millan Newtons means that this whole setup is 721 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 5: highly dubious, as that such a small force that anything 722 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 5: can influence the measurement. I myself have had setups using 723 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 5: electrostatic forces where the mere presence of my hand near 724 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 5: the apparatus caused severe measurement errors at the Milan Newton level. 725 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 5: Though to be fair, the actual forces I then measured 726 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 5: were higher than the variance due to. 727 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 4: That, so even that's way above my pay grade. 728 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 5: But it does seem like they're smarter people than be 729 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,240 Speaker 5: out there asking questions about this debrief article. 730 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 3: Well, human thought has no real concept of intelligence. 731 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 4: They'll be yourself up fair, thanks. 732 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 3: So, and with that, this is going to be an 733 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 3: episode in the future. Your help, your expertise, folks, is 734 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 3: invaluable that regard. We're going to end today with some 735 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 3: letters from home. We had so many beautiful pieces of 736 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 3: correspondence to our recent episode on supplements, so thank you. 737 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 3: A partial list to Reds got which herbalist Luke Tokyoki 738 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 3: Brocknest Commandant Squatch. That was a very interesting one. Tommy 739 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 3: Saturday Morning Cartoons, the legend big Shucks. They called me, 740 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 3: Frederick have confirmed that wasn't our pal Matt, Blue, Michelle, 741 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 3: Licensed Mutant, Ninja, Turtle, Otter Dog, Anonymous, Corey call me, 742 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,760 Speaker 3: Al Baron, Eaton, Katie r In and Sosa hold the phone. 743 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,840 Speaker 3: We've got one returning person. You guys remember the person 744 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 3: who used to write all those weird jokes to us? 745 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I remember the name, but I remember the jokes. 746 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 2: There was a sixty nine involved. 747 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, nice, there was. This comes to us from 748 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 3: down Low Joe, a subsidiary of Humorous Harry. That was 749 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 3: the name. And he says, how about this Noel Matt 750 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 3: picking number one through ten six. Okay, did you hear 751 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 3: about the guy that left his smartphone on the stove? 752 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 3: It ended up being a real burner phone. Doc. If 753 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 3: I get like a rim shot and a groan. The 754 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,879 Speaker 3: Matt is scratching his forehead here. So Matt, why pick 755 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 3: a number one? Th that's not six? 756 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 2: Number one? 757 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 3: Number one? 758 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 4: Do you know what? 759 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 2: Number two? 760 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 3: Keep this part in because boy number one? All right, 761 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 3: we can't win them all, humorous, Harry, Where do crabs 762 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 3: go for a drink? You guys to this sand bar? 763 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 4: Oh wow? 764 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 3: Okay, folks with that, We're so glad and thankful to 765 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 3: every person entity meet or otherwise crabs as well? You know. 766 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've got a joke. I got a joke. 767 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 2: What's worse than having a bunch of ants in your pants? 768 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 2: A bunch of uncles? 769 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 4: We were already? 770 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 3: How do comedians play golf with comedy clubs? Okay, I 771 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 3: think we're We've exercised our full budget of sound cues. 772 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 3: Go ahead, joy the show. We'd love to have you. 773 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for tuning in and tell us switch 774 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 3: on your mind. We try to be easy to find online. 775 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 4: It's right. 776 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 5: You can find us in the handle Conspiracy Stuff where 777 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 5: we exist on Facebook, on YouTube and on x FKA, Twitter, 778 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 5: on Instagram and TikTok. 779 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,240 Speaker 4: We are Conspiracy Stuff Show. 780 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 2: Hey, do you want to call us the way? 781 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 4: Matt? 782 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 2: And Joe did call one eight three three std WYTK. 783 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 2: It's a voicemail system. You've got three minutes. Give yourself 784 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 2: a cool nickname and let us know if we can 785 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 2: use your name and message on the air. If you 786 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 2: don't like using your phone for such activities, why not 787 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 2: use it to send us an email. 788 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 3: We are the folks who read every single email we get. 789 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 3: As you can tell from that reason, rounded jokes conspiracy 790 00:44:51,640 --> 00:45:11,440 Speaker 3: at iHeartRadio dot com. 791 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know. Is a production 792 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 793 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.