Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, hello friends.
Speaker 2: Or should I say anyway? What's up? Everyone? It's Devin Simone.
Speaker 3: Tims the Season, and I am Davon Rogers and this
Speaker 3: is MTV's official challenge podcast, My.
Speaker 2: So jolly day. I should have brought some jingle bells.
Speaker 4: Okay, next week, look jingle jangle bells?
Speaker 2: Right, jingle jangle?
Speaker 1: How are you feeling about this week's episode?
Speaker 2: Day?
Speaker 4: I feel good about this episode. This one was hard,
Speaker 4: you know, having to choose, well not choose, but Derek
Speaker 4: or Corey. Like I've been rooting.
Speaker 3: For both of them, and you know, we always talk
Speaker 3: about how much we want Corey to win it and
Speaker 3: get his win, and then there's Derek and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I want you to it, so it's like, ah, this one,
Speaker 3: this one was rough, but nothing compares to watching them
Speaker 3: have to drive off that cliff.
Speaker 2: Would you have done that?
Speaker 1: Like, if that was you, if you were back on
Speaker 1: the show, how would you have felt? Would you have
Speaker 1: been excited by that? Or would you have been like hell.
Speaker 4: No, not have been terrified.
Speaker 3: I would have done it, but I would have been
Speaker 3: absolutely terrified, Like you would have taken some TJ would
Speaker 3: have been.
Speaker 4: Like come on, Davon, don't quit, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: like quitters.
Speaker 3: Like I would have had to hear the whole monologue
Speaker 3: and then I would have done it for sure.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, what about you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I love that we saw Tory ping on
Speaker 1: herself butt then that like not literally loved but at
Speaker 1: the end when she was out of she got out
Speaker 1: of the water and she was huffing and puffing and
Speaker 1: she was just so out of it, and they were like,
Speaker 1: are you going.
Speaker 2: To the bathroom? She said yeah, like while she was
Speaker 2: sitting there.
Speaker 1: I feel like Squad tells you this, the like raw
Speaker 1: emotion probably makes a fear and anxiety and all of that.
Speaker 1: From doing that, I would have been terrified. I probably
Speaker 1: would have wet my pants. But I also would have
Speaker 1: been really excited to do it. But I also would
Speaker 1: have been thinking about the Burger King burgers.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie man.
Speaker 1: I've been craving a Whopper Junior since we watched this episode.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait, like I'm in. I'm in.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Burger King for making this a possibility
Speaker 1: that is wild, that is.
Speaker 2: So wild that they pulled this off.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, And and the entire cats got the burger king,
Speaker 3: So that.
Speaker 4: Was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would even really effed up if they didn't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, just salivating. You been eating this whole time.
Speaker 1: You just jumped out of a flame broiled car, and
Speaker 1: like you don't get a frame boiled burger that.
Speaker 5: At least.
Speaker 4: Jordan Torri pulled out the wind. Are we surprised?
Speaker 1: No, I mean definitely Jordan made it look easy.
Speaker 2: They both killed it.
Speaker 1: But I feel like with the swimming, to me, the
Speaker 1: swimming thing is always hard because I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like I never know what to expect, you know, like
Speaker 1: who's gonna crush a swimming thing? So like for that
Speaker 1: portion of it, I'm not surprised, But I also kind
Speaker 1: of like, if you told me at the start of this,
Speaker 1: who did I think was gonna win? I honestly couldn't
Speaker 1: have really told you.
Speaker 3: I actually was putting my money on Jordan one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: but then also I had my.
Speaker 4: Money on Rachel. So when Rachel, I was like, oh.
Speaker 3: Like Tori is really out here in these challenge streets,
Speaker 3: like making a name for her.
Speaker 2: She wants to be on Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: We're seeing a theme though, and no shade to Rach
Speaker 1: but this is ain't the first time we've seen Rach
Speaker 1: be a little slower on a puzzle. Remember the bat Cave.
Speaker 1: We're starting to see a theme now. I've never hot
Speaker 1: wired a car, so I don't know how I would
Speaker 1: have done.
Speaker 2: With that either.
Speaker 4: I pleaded the fifth.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, wait, I darn, wait a minute.
Speaker 4: Really, I've been delivered. I've been delivered.
Speaker 6: That was da day.
Speaker 4: Now, that's kind of bads.
Speaker 2: We learning something, We learned something new every day on
Speaker 2: What we also.
Speaker 4: Learned is everyone finally found the what can we call
Speaker 4: it the glitch in Kyland.
Speaker 3: The swimming And I hate that because I didn't want
Speaker 3: people to know, like, you know, it was a weakness. Yes,
Speaker 3: I wanted them to think of what you said, what
Speaker 3: I said when you said that's what I was trying
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know we can though, we can?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, continue, Sorry, I didn't know where you
Speaker 1: were going with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I on one hand, I didn't. I don't
Speaker 2: love them finding glitch.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, it humanizes him, like I
Speaker 1: do you know, yeah, I think it humanizes him.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I thought he was going to do really
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that he struggled with swimming. But who
Speaker 4: am I to judge? Because you put me out there,
Speaker 4: good luck and God bless right.
Speaker 1: I would have been a pulling a car up, just floating, like,
Speaker 1: don't even put five hundred meters.
Speaker 2: I can't. Yeah, I would have just been put send.
Speaker 4: Me in, just drop me in the water, and then
Speaker 4: time up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just go ahead, take your time. You guys can
Speaker 1: go ahead with the next person. I'll get to short
Speaker 1: of it, like it's fine, I'm already traumatized.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then we have our losers.
Speaker 3: I don't like to call them that, but the people
Speaker 3: who didn't win. Right, we have Derek and we have Kara. Now, Kara,
Speaker 3: she gets a penalty next challenge, souls Paul's no, she
Speaker 3: gets a penalty next challenge and still.
Speaker 2: Make it the thing.
Speaker 4: Tell Derek like, hey, you can go ahead, and like
Speaker 4: that's card. I don't know if that's smarter or I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: It's either beautiful or crazy.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go it beautiful. I think it's exceptional.
Speaker 1: I think if and hopefully when she pulls out of this,
Speaker 1: I think it'll be one of the most beautiful things
Speaker 1: we've seen.
Speaker 2: It'll go down as a moment and challenge history.
Speaker 1: I think if she doesn't, for some reason pull out
Speaker 1: of this, it'll feel very reminiscent of Jordan's kill cards, ah,
Speaker 1: but not as visually dramatic, but kind of you get
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like where you just tallied something else
Speaker 1: onto yourself that you didn't necessarily have to do. But
Speaker 1: I have faith that she's going to come out of it,
Speaker 1: although I don't know who's losing next challenge, like we
Speaker 1: have nothing but talented women the time in this game.
Speaker 2: Fact, yeah I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But if she, like I agree, if she does pull
Speaker 3: this off, ooh, Kara, you a bad, such and such
Speaker 3: a girl.
Speaker 2: Shut your mouth. Yeah you are bad. Mamajamma, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's get into this elimination m hm all right,
Speaker 4: So I can't lie to you.
Speaker 3: I probably would have performed this exactly the way Corey
Speaker 3: did because my mind would have been on I need
Speaker 3: to get all of these bricks over here. I have
Speaker 3: to get them over here immediately. However, watching it, and
Speaker 3: that's why it's so good to If you're going on
Speaker 3: the challenge watch the show, because you can literally steal strategy.
Speaker 3: Like the way Derek positioned those pieces before he brought
Speaker 3: them all over was pure genius.
Speaker 6: Like it was so good.
Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes we get into these eliminations and
Speaker 3: we get frantic and it's like, Okay, let me get
Speaker 3: everything over here and then I'll figure everything out later.
Speaker 3: And Derek was like, no, let me work smarter, not harder,
Speaker 3: And I thought it was so good.
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 1: I think it was both parties leaning into their strengths,
Speaker 1: and not that they're not both well rounded competitors. They are,
Speaker 1: but I think if you were to ask Corey and
Speaker 1: I feel like this was sort of, you know, intimated
Speaker 1: when we had him on the podcast recently.
Speaker 2: He knows he's strong, like he knows.
Speaker 1: That he can he can push through with some force,
Speaker 1: and so I think in a moment like that, sort
Speaker 1: of almost like a fight or flight, you lean into
Speaker 1: your strength. I think with Derek coming in, he knows
Speaker 1: that he's calm under pressure, right, Like, he knows that
Speaker 1: that's when he can really tap into the strength of
Speaker 1: his mind and figuring things out, and so I think
Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did. And in this particular instance,
Speaker 1: it prevailed. It's just like when Josh tried to lean
Speaker 1: into his strength of endurance when it was not an
Speaker 1: endurance race, it was a timed thing, and yet that
Speaker 1: didn't work out as well. We still love Josh very much,
Speaker 1: but I think it was just a matter of we.
Speaker 2: Saw both of them leading to their strength.
Speaker 1: But it also goes back to this theme that I know,
Speaker 1: I sound like a record hopefully top hits, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to say. Where we've it's been
Speaker 1: so interesting this season watching how these competitors compete because
Speaker 1: in so many of the eliminations we see two very
Speaker 1: different Like we almost always see one that is this
Speaker 1: sort of thinking ahead of time strategy, right, and then
Speaker 1: we see one that's a doer strategy right where I
Speaker 1: just start moving and then I do. And in the
Speaker 1: earlier part of the season, it seemed like the overthinkers
Speaker 1: were not were losing right like the people that were
Speaker 1: kind of But now there's been this shift in the game,
Speaker 1: and I wonder, I wonder if that's kind of how
Speaker 1: the game works in a way, like as there's this
Speaker 1: shift in the game in the last few episodes or
Speaker 1: the last few weeks. It's the people that are thinking
Speaker 1: through the strategy in their elimination that are winning, not
Speaker 1: the doers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's gonna be so interesting to see in
Speaker 3: that final.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, Now we know there was no chamber
Speaker 1: this go round because Jordan one Derek loss, which then
Speaker 1: means the only target left was in fact our boy Corey.
Speaker 1: Derek took out Corey. Now Derek selects Jenny, Rachel and Kara.
Speaker 4: That absolutely stacked.
Speaker 2: They should all get medals.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, let's go into the gold stars and
Speaker 1: the timeouts, and you know, I there we go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pull a Davon. There we go this time, there
Speaker 1: we go. Okay, I'm just because we're so far in,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull a Davon. First of all, I want
Speaker 1: to give a separate honorable mentions to Derek and just
Speaker 1: what he achieved in this elimination. I think it was
Speaker 1: except optional, beautifully done, sharing the story of a sister.
Speaker 1: I also want to give an honorable mention to Kara
Speaker 1: and her nominating herself and taking that pressure off of Derek,
Speaker 1: especially when the stakes are so high at this point.
Speaker 1: The maturity we have seen from her over the years,
Speaker 1: but particularly in the season, I hope she wears it
Speaker 1: as a badge of honor. It's so beautiful to see,
Speaker 1: and she already had millions of people that looked up
Speaker 1: to her. I feel like this just unlocks a whole
Speaker 1: new level of respect, regardless of what the outcome of
Speaker 1: this game is.
Speaker 2: I hope she sees.
Speaker 1: This as a offer yet one of her great moments.
Speaker 1: Like well, just in general, even the way she started
Speaker 1: to work with Laurel towards the middle of the season.
Speaker 2: In the end, right, they.
Speaker 1: Got off to a awful start and they don't need
Speaker 1: to be friends, But even towards the middle and the end,
Speaker 1: before Laurel left the conversation, in the way they could
Speaker 1: still kind of work together.
Speaker 2: I thought was nice to see the way we saw Kara.
Speaker 1: Move towards working with Corey, you know, just these like
Speaker 1: relationships and bonds, you know, and then her offering herself
Speaker 1: up like shout out to Kara. But overall, I want
Speaker 1: to give my gold stars. I want to give gold
Speaker 1: medals to Rachel, to Tory, to Jenny, to Kara, and
Speaker 1: to Michelle, because they are bad asses. I could not
Speaker 1: be more proud of them, just as humans, but as
Speaker 1: women running the game, they are so talented in all
Speaker 1: the ways, and I love that they all have different backgrounds,
Speaker 1: you know. We have some who are single, some who
Speaker 1: a relationships, some who are as a parent, you know,
Speaker 1: like some or who are pet parents, like all these
Speaker 1: different things and really just so killing it and crushing it,
Speaker 1: and they've all shared moments of vulnerability throughout the season,
Speaker 1: like just so much respect, ladies, round of applause to you,
Speaker 1: really really really good job.
Speaker 2: And well done.
Speaker 1: And I hope anybody watching the show is inspired as
Speaker 1: I've been watching them.
Speaker 2: Who gets your gold Star?
Speaker 4: So honorable mentions.
Speaker 3: Jordan and Tory just for completely dominating that swimming challenge.
Speaker 3: I think eating is one of them things, but swimming
Speaker 3: is definitely one of the ones that take a lot
Speaker 3: of people out. So definitely honorable mentions. But my goal
Speaker 3: star is actually going to go to Cheyenne.
Speaker 2: Really okay, I like it. She was tearing Corey.
Speaker 3: Up on that face. She's said that you'd have been
Speaker 3: there way too long. That don't come home and lose her. Okay,
Speaker 3: But I love that their their dynamic, their co parenting dynamic,
Speaker 3: and it was good seeing her on our challenge screens
Speaker 3: and you know it was it was just good. So
Speaker 3: my goal star is going to go to Cheyenne because
Speaker 3: we love we love a good comedic relief to the show.
Speaker 1: We absolutely love it, and we love that she has
Speaker 1: just been holding it down like that, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: not easy, not easy to do.
Speaker 2: So definitely shout out.
Speaker 1: Okay, who's gonna get your time out of the week.
Speaker 4: Y'all know, I'm.
Speaker 3: Always gonna hold down the fort for Josh, but I'm
Speaker 3: always gonna hold down for it for Kyland as well.
Speaker 4: And so I am putting Corey, Jordan.
Speaker 3: And Nanners in time out for trying to scare my
Speaker 3: friend about this final.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you be fair. I know that they were
Speaker 1: trying to do tactic, but look, they are not wrong.
Speaker 1: You get so it is it is the twelfth day
Speaker 1: of Hell. I've never been to Hell, but i'd imagine.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a brief moment it's like euphoria.
Speaker 2: Then it's oh my god, I'm gonna die.
Speaker 1: And then when you when you finish it, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's even better if you finished first place.
Speaker 2: I obviously wouldn't know about that, but in.
Speaker 1: General, when you finish it, then you go back up
Speaker 1: to a euphoria of just such a pride that like
Speaker 1: probably one of the greatest moments of your life.
Speaker 2: But man, at that start, it is scary. It is.
Speaker 3: And shout out to the editors because they kept going
Speaker 3: back like someone would say something and then they go
Speaker 3: back to Kyland. If someone says something else and they
Speaker 3: go back to Kyland and my fore friend, you know,
Speaker 3: you get that look on your face when you're in
Speaker 3: trouble or when you gotta go boo boo.
Speaker 2: Like look he had on his face.
Speaker 4: I mean, and he.
Speaker 1: Might be having to do it out in the wilderness
Speaker 1: and a final so that's.
Speaker 2: A fair face to make.
Speaker 4: That is your fire.
Speaker 1: My time out of this episode, I honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: think there is one. I mean, if anything, Burger King
Speaker 1: might get one for not sending us some food, but
Speaker 1: other than that, I know, I mean, it's okay because
Speaker 1: I really am going to order something like as soon
Speaker 1: as we get out of this. But I'm just really
Speaker 1: proud of everyone getting this far. I'm proud of every
Speaker 1: the way everyone's competed the game in general. It's been
Speaker 1: so fun to watch and well done and yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm nobody gets see. Wow, I've really become DEVI. They
Speaker 1: say you become who you spend time with. So be careful, y'all,
Speaker 1: because we love growth.
Speaker 3: We love love, love, love love growth, and even more
Speaker 3: than that, we love this person that is coming to
Speaker 3: talk with us today.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited for you guys to hear this interview.
Speaker 3: So sit back, relax, and go get your snacks because next.
Speaker 2: Up we have Derek Chravis.
Speaker 4: What else should they get, Devin, We should get some.
Speaker 2: Pick up a whopper, Junior. I'm literally about to order
Speaker 2: one right now, right.
Speaker 6: Now, super excited about this episode.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: We have what Devin and I like to call who
Speaker 3: Devin and I likes to call the Silent Assassin.
Speaker 4: We have Derek Chravis here, ladies and gentlemen. Give it up,
Speaker 4: Give it up, give it up.
Speaker 5: Hello, I'm digging that nickname. I've never been called that before, Like, uh, yeah.
Speaker 4: You are the silent Assassin over here.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't remember ever calling you that either.
Speaker 1: I feel like, Dad, we definitely did. Okay, I don't remember,
Speaker 1: but no, I really don't. But it's not that it's
Speaker 1: not valid because it definitely is.
Speaker 2: You are killing it this season.
Speaker 1: We are not supposed to have favorites and we don't,
Speaker 1: but man, if we did, you are. I'm pulling for
Speaker 1: you so much this season.
Speaker 2: So proud of you.
Speaker 1: Real talk though, before we get into this, did you
Speaker 1: bring the wig because we saw so much.
Speaker 2: Of your alter ego that he's a favorite.
Speaker 1: We want to know if she's making appearance or how
Speaker 1: she's doing.
Speaker 5: Oh, she's great. She has some sisters too. She has Bob,
Speaker 5: she has a little Bob sister.
Speaker 7: Her name is Okay, and then she has her blondeie
Speaker 7: sis Tiffany as well.
Speaker 5: So you guys would love.
Speaker 7: It be seeing them in the future and a few yeah,
Speaker 7: I feel like you'll still be seeing them this season
Speaker 7: at some point.
Speaker 1: Ooh ooh by Be and tiff Okay, we leave a
Speaker 1: family reunion, we do?
Speaker 7: You definitely do what Tarara's wedding her funeral just pop up.
Speaker 1: Not too long ago too, it did, I don't it
Speaker 1: did and they were replaying it recently. And then also
Speaker 1: you know that whole ariana Grande Cynthia a revo thing
Speaker 1: holding space that's like trending and meme. Why did someone
Speaker 1: tweet me talking about their holding space for Tamara the
Speaker 1: Whigs funeral, so shut out to all the Challenge listeners
Speaker 1: and fans and fam who are so honoring her legacy
Speaker 1: gone but not forgotten.
Speaker 2: I miss you, d Money.
Speaker 1: We had so much fun back in the day on
Speaker 1: the show, and watching you has been so much fun.
Speaker 1: How has it been watching yourself so far this season?
Speaker 7: It's crazy because like watching All Stars and seeing all
Speaker 7: that play back, it's the same, but like not in
Speaker 7: a sense that the flagship.
Speaker 5: Show is just what we were brought up on, Like.
Speaker 8: This is this is it?
Speaker 7: This is like it's I don't know, it's different, and
Speaker 7: it's just such a good feeling. And I love just
Speaker 7: to bring back like the whole nostalgia of like us
Speaker 7: pranking each other and having parties and like fucking get
Speaker 7: Lynn and having fake fights. You know, Like it's just
Speaker 7: so much fun to like try and bring that back
Speaker 7: to the show. So like being able to watch it
Speaker 7: and then then highlighting funny parts like the wigs.
Speaker 8: And the strip person all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: It's just it makes me feel good because it's like
Speaker 7: this is what I what I always wanted to do
Speaker 7: on the Challenge.
Speaker 5: It's fucking awesome, just to see see it come back
Speaker 5: like this.
Speaker 1: They want to see you pussy popping on a handstand
Speaker 1: like you did over Devin on a couch for his birthday,
Speaker 1: which was how that should have been the clue to
Speaker 1: everyone in the house.
Speaker 2: It should have put them on notice.
Speaker 1: To watch out for you and your ability, because anybody
Speaker 1: who can balance upside down on a couch while t
Speaker 1: working is another specimen.
Speaker 2: That's another level of athleticism.
Speaker 5: We call it the endgame or the ender.
Speaker 2: That's what it was called, the ender. Do you want
Speaker 2: to know who taught me them?
Speaker 7: Who do you think in that cast taught me that move?
Speaker 7: And Anissa's not there anymore, who do you think it was?
Speaker 2: Wait, it couldn't have been Tori?
Speaker 1: I know right, That's what I'm trying to really Wait, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's not gonna need to talk.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute. I can see Torri two net thing.
Speaker 4: I can see it. I can see it.
Speaker 2: I'd be like she learned it for at least wild.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm impressed, and you did a very very good job.
Speaker 1: You know, you're considered the underdog.
Speaker 2: For a lot of this season. Why do you think
Speaker 2: that is? And how do you feel about that?
Speaker 7: So I will take underdog over a layup anytime. And
Speaker 7: I was always perceived as a layup in the beginning,
Speaker 7: so to progress into underdog is amazing because everybody roots
Speaker 7: for the underdog and it's and it's not like I'm
Speaker 7: not I'm not doing the damn thing too, Like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I'm not getting first every time, but like a lot
Speaker 7: of people don't realize you you shouldn't get first and
Speaker 7: a lot of things because then it puts responsibility on
Speaker 7: you to do things that I'll later show your cards.
Speaker 7: And I'm just like, as long as I'm not getting last.
Speaker 7: But this last challenge that we just watched, with it
Speaker 7: being so much fun, it was a little frustrating too,
Speaker 7: because obviously I was gonna be going into elimination the
Speaker 7: next day my sister's birthday if I had lost.
Speaker 5: But I was so.
Speaker 7: Confident going into that with my win that I just
Speaker 7: had the previous couple of weeks ago, and I was.
Speaker 5: Just it's like, oh, you just have your momentums just
Speaker 5: going up. There's no way you're gonna go down.
Speaker 7: And it was just and I'm not blaming anything, like
Speaker 7: it took me a long time to do that puzzle,
Speaker 7: but I was already pissed off and I had to
Speaker 7: go straight into it. Then this started happening, and then
Speaker 7: it took forever. I'm like, there's no way. And then
Speaker 7: then Jordan had already won. I'm like, there's no way. Like,
Speaker 7: there's no way. So that was like the whole thing.
Speaker 7: But being called an underdog now instead of a layup
Speaker 7: is definitely way better. And I'm glad that I am
Speaker 7: proving myself time and time again and not letting these
Speaker 7: guys just show me up.
Speaker 3: You know what, when you said everyone ruse for that underdog,
Speaker 3: You're correct, because I'm one of those people. I love
Speaker 3: me a good underdog story, right, And it seems like
Speaker 3: everyone has become a very, very very big fan of yours. Now,
Speaker 3: tell us a little bit about this political game this season,
Speaker 3: because Derek, we've been watching and we've been watching you
Speaker 3: like a hawk. Okay, so tell us a little bit
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 7: So, I mean, I mean, it's just in my nature
Speaker 7: to be friendly with most people, like everybody anyway, I'll
Speaker 7: give everybody the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 8: I'll give everybody a chance to like show.
Speaker 7: Their two cars and show me that they're, you know,
Speaker 7: a decent person, somebody you want to like hang out with.
Speaker 7: And fortunately for me this round, like that played into
Speaker 7: my like political game because I did have friends in
Speaker 7: almost every corner, and even if they weren't like my
Speaker 7: number ones or whatever, I was still on the raidar
Speaker 7: to be like, hey, this could potentially be like a
Speaker 7: like a partnership or something down the road because we
Speaker 7: haven't done anything wrong. Even though he's not my top person,
Speaker 7: I'm not their top person. So like that's how I
Speaker 7: kind of like folded into a car Maria and even
Speaker 7: like Cory, I knew she was always going to have
Speaker 7: Jordan and Corey's back, but if it came down to
Speaker 7: her like maybe she had to do the banana thing agains,
Speaker 7: She's always gonna throw bananas in before she would throw
Speaker 7: me in. So it's just like, Okay, I built that relationship,
Speaker 7: so it's in my nature to just be friendly and
Speaker 7: that's just me in general. But doing it in a
Speaker 7: house like this, it turns into a political game because
Speaker 7: you have to be and even though you don't see
Speaker 7: me completely one hundred percent in all these arguments and conversations,
Speaker 7: oh I'm.
Speaker 8: Lurking, I'm listening. I got called out on it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to ask, because you're
Speaker 1: you're super friendly, but you always have been known to
Speaker 1: keep it real also, and your facial expressions don't lie.
Speaker 1: So who you mentioned, I was going to ask, you
Speaker 1: know who you may be, but it heads within the
Speaker 1: house and you mentioned you'd gotten called out, So like,
Speaker 1: what were some of the things we didn't see or
Speaker 1: who were some of the people that you didn't necessarily
Speaker 1: have the smoothest relationship with and what happened?
Speaker 8: So it was definitely Banana's called me out. And he
Speaker 8: called me like I was.
Speaker 7: I was trying, like I thought it was a slick
Speaker 7: as fucked to and I was like just folding clothes
Speaker 7: and like doing stuff and he was having an important
Speaker 7: conversation and then he goes, and don't think I don't
Speaker 7: I don't know that you're listening to this conversation, Derek,
Speaker 7: You're gonna go do this and this. So there was
Speaker 7: a point and I'll say it now because it's no
Speaker 7: one has ever said names. So Olivia the thing with
Speaker 7: the snake thing, and Banana's like, call your friends, who's
Speaker 7: the one that said it?
Speaker 8: Is the one that said it? Everybody thinks it's me.
Speaker 7: Even Olivia was like, yeah, you said this, I go no,
Speaker 7: because that's the one thing he called me out for
Speaker 7: and if I did go tell you, he was going
Speaker 7: to know it was me. So that was the one
Speaker 7: thing that I made sure I didn't say anything to
Speaker 7: her because that was obviously going to be me, even
Speaker 7: though people ran and told her anyway, But like I
Speaker 7: was just like, oh shit, they're gonna think that was me.
Speaker 7: So like, he definitely called me out a couple of times,
Speaker 7: and he called me out. Remember when I was drinking
Speaker 7: the sangria and I was like laughing and whatever and
Speaker 7: listening to him and Olivia argue.
Speaker 8: I was like, oh what did she say?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah that, Like I was just stirring the pot
Speaker 5: and he called me out on that too.
Speaker 7: So if anybody, like I got into the little tips,
Speaker 7: it was with bananas mostly, but not she being messy.
Speaker 3: But I appreciate you, especially poking at bananas. This Banana's
Speaker 3: been poking at everybody pretty much this season, so it's
Speaker 3: a poke back at him.
Speaker 4: Has been very interesting.
Speaker 3: I would like to know what are your thoughts about
Speaker 3: the bananas?
Speaker 4: Angels?
Speaker 5: Oh Jesus, were are we?
Speaker 8: Are we?
Speaker 5: Derek Demons like, what's going on?
Speaker 7: But I didn't mind it because you can just once
Speaker 7: we started going individual and you saw, you kind of
Speaker 7: saw where the line was drawn, even though it wasn't,
Speaker 7: and then they just became like a powerhouse. And then
Speaker 7: I don't know where it came from. And then all
Speaker 7: of a sudden it was about the angels, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 7: they're not calling themselves the Angels, are they really? And
Speaker 7: then I was just like, well, that's the thing now, okay.
Speaker 7: So like we just had like little group names for everybody,
Speaker 7: obviously the Ladies of Leisure, the lolls. But I thought
Speaker 7: it was funny and I thought that them hyping up
Speaker 7: bananas his.
Speaker 9: Like of feet, Yeah, what was please?
Speaker 2: Okay? Okay?
Speaker 1: Was it as much footness in the house as we
Speaker 1: were seeing, because it was a whole lot of like
Speaker 1: I feel like I have visions of toe jam and
Speaker 1: toenails floating through my head from the last few see
Speaker 1: episodes of the Challenge I've been watching. Was it as
Speaker 1: prominent as they made it seem or was it like
Speaker 1: a one or two time thing.
Speaker 7: Well, it was prominent in the areas that you saw,
Speaker 7: so we had all gotten they had brought us in
Speaker 7: manicurists and foot massage people.
Speaker 5: So a lot of us got managed and stuff.
Speaker 2: So that wait, hold on, you're sorry, roll it back.
Speaker 2: How did you guys that in the house.
Speaker 5: Oh? They they we needed that heat. I mean, you
Speaker 5: guys were there for that. However long ago. In the beginning,
Speaker 5: it just got worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 7: So they were just like it was when they were
Speaker 7: like a lot of I mean, there wasn't that that
Speaker 7: many people left, but they you could.
Speaker 5: They brought on like a massage person.
Speaker 7: They brought a manicurist and a pedicurius and then somebody
Speaker 7: to cut our hair. So really, see that whole group
Speaker 7: of like Ray, I think it's Rachel, Aviv, Johnny and
Speaker 7: everybody at their feet are in the middle on the bed.
Speaker 7: My feet were actually a part of that too, but
Speaker 7: you can't tell because my nails were painted pink, so
Speaker 7: my nails are in there too, And I'm literally like, oh,
Speaker 7: I guess I'm part of it too, like just joking around,
Speaker 7: but yeah, legit, it was because we had all got
Speaker 7: our feet like taken care of.
Speaker 2: Oh luxury.
Speaker 1: If they had said that, I would have gone back
Speaker 1: to the challenge A long time ago. Amazing Ooh also,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get into the daily because this
Speaker 1: looked like so freaking' epic. It was sponsored by working
Speaker 1: I just have to know what was the Burger King
Speaker 1: feast like it did? They just have everything in there,
Speaker 1: like all the whoppers you could possibly want.
Speaker 7: All the whoppers, all the sodos, I like three of them,
Speaker 7: and French fries and it was it was worth it.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Burger King for putting on one of
Speaker 1: the most epic Like, okay, will you get there?
Speaker 2: And then you see this cliff? What are your first thoughts?
Speaker 1: Like did anyone figure out what was happening prior to
Speaker 1: TJ explaining it?
Speaker 2: Like what was the mood? What was everybody thinking?
Speaker 7: So soon as we saw the car, everybody was like, oh,
Speaker 7: we're going off this cliff, But just the mere fact
Speaker 7: that we drove up and you could see how fucking
Speaker 7: high this cliff was, it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: they're gonna throw us. I mean, we're doing something. There's
Speaker 7: no way they're not using this as just a backup.
Speaker 5: We're using this.
Speaker 7: And then finally, this is our first challenge since the
Speaker 7: very first challenge of us getting any water like and
Speaker 7: actually being inside the water. This is our only swimming
Speaker 7: challenge that we had too, which was weird. I'm like,
Speaker 7: we're in Vietnam, how are we?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 5: In water?
Speaker 8: Yeah? You?
Speaker 1: Which is also you bring up a good point and
Speaker 1: they'll go back to Daily because you guys haven't had
Speaker 1: much water stuff. It's interesting what we saw on this
Speaker 1: week's Daily where some of you guys struggled in the water.
Speaker 2: I wonder if more water.
Speaker 1: Strugglers potentially would have either been eliminated or just struggled
Speaker 1: in general.
Speaker 2: Right day earlier on.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean I could see you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 8: And the funny thing.
Speaker 7: Is I'm an actually really good swimmer, but I was
Speaker 7: just so over and stopped that my puzzle took. So
Speaker 7: I was just like I don't even care if I
Speaker 7: get last now, Like you know what it is?
Speaker 8: What it is so like.
Speaker 7: When Banana's like, oh he's he's like not working that fast.
Speaker 7: I wasn't going that slow and it wasn't like that.
Speaker 1: It did look a little slow emotion Derek for a second, Oh.
Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 7: Like I even was just like, okay, get it all
Speaker 7: over with because five hundred meters sounds like a long time,
Speaker 7: and then you get in the water like it's not
Speaker 7: that far, and then you're looking You're like, oh no,
Speaker 7: it really is that far.
Speaker 5: It's a long swim.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What was the tricky part about hot wiring in the
Speaker 4: car was what was the issue.
Speaker 7: So it was just finding the right combination because it
Speaker 7: was it was fourteen different or however many different ports.
Speaker 7: It was so times that by two because you had
Speaker 7: to do like both sides of them.
Speaker 5: So I'm just like, Okay, this sucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's just with the fact that this is the last.
Speaker 7: Guy's days challenge and I could potentially going because I'm
Speaker 7: a target, it just like put like just put me
Speaker 7: in a bad mood.
Speaker 5: And I was just like over it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I could be stressful, like my little challenge
Speaker 3: life is on the line right now.
Speaker 5: And then the fact that.
Speaker 7: You're gonna get thrown off a three hundred foot cliff
Speaker 7: and I've never like I I've always wanted to do
Speaker 7: stuff like jumping off and skydiving and all that kind
Speaker 7: of stuff. This was a different filling because you're not
Speaker 7: technically going down with the car. It's still like there's
Speaker 7: a little fall, so that little like gut filling is
Speaker 7: just like holy shit.
Speaker 5: But then it was cool.
Speaker 7: They had a swinging up there for a little bit
Speaker 7: because obviously they have to let make sure that the
Speaker 7: cars out of the way, and then they lower you
Speaker 7: down to a level where you'll be safe if you
Speaker 7: fall into So.
Speaker 1: How many how many cars did they have on hand
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 7: So obviously they had one for each person, and then
Speaker 7: they had extra ones too.
Speaker 2: Wow, so like a whole fleet of cars.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it was cool too because wow, like you're
Speaker 7: setting up to do like TJ's announcing the winners and
Speaker 7: all that stuff. They were taking the cars out and
Speaker 7: it was just crazy to see.
Speaker 5: It's crazy and scary.
Speaker 7: At the same time to see how destroyed these cars
Speaker 7: are just landing in water from that high and it's
Speaker 7: like that, what would happen to your body if you
Speaker 7: did that?
Speaker 1: That's in it was three hundred feet I think, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's in insane. Shout out to Burger King rolling
Speaker 1: like that, like geez, I can just toss in a
Speaker 1: girl fifteen cars.
Speaker 2: That is so wild. But it also looked so freakin'
Speaker 2: epic and so cool.
Speaker 4: They need to slide the podcast and fries.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm definitely going to order Burger King this evening.
Speaker 1: That's it's already. It's the minute I watched that episode,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, a flame grilled petty
Speaker 1: does sound good?
Speaker 2: Right about now?
Speaker 8: King instead of going to the gym, Let's do that
Speaker 8: right right?
Speaker 2: It literally didn't, and they do have some good fries.
Speaker 1: Did you knowing the severity of or maybe not the
Speaker 1: severity the significance of what was occurring that week right
Speaker 1: with it being your sister's birthday, did you feel her
Speaker 1: with you while you were competing or were you kind
Speaker 1: of so focused on the game that it didn't really
Speaker 1: hit you until after the actual daily had happened, like
Speaker 1: after you got out of the water.
Speaker 5: So do you girls.
Speaker 7: Believe in like higher being and spirits being with you
Speaker 7: and all that? Okay, so this is going to be
Speaker 7: a little backstory into getting to the week of that
Speaker 7: that elimination. So have you guys been around car when
Speaker 7: she's using her her horse tarot cards?
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, So basically it's horse tarot cards and you
Speaker 7: pick one to three.
Speaker 5: We would be doing it before the challenges, the daily
Speaker 5: is and eliminations. We would pick them to see what
Speaker 5: like light ahead, and there was just like.
Speaker 7: Strength ones, best friend ones, blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 7: So Michelle kept grabbing the one that said horse Angel
Speaker 7: And basically it's like saying, somebody that has pat that's
Speaker 7: no longer with us, who is looking over you, is
Speaker 7: watching you whatever? And she's like, like, who is it.
Speaker 7: I haven't had anybody, like anybody close to me pass away.
Speaker 7: So do you guys know our producer Reese.
Speaker 2: I don't think I do, probably by faith.
Speaker 7: So it was the night that that we were all
Speaker 7: in Michelle's room and we were crying and it was
Speaker 7: like the candlelight and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: He comes up to her and he's like.
Speaker 9: Michelle, do you know somebody named Jerry?
Speaker 7: She's like Jerry and he's like, yeah, this guy Jerry
Speaker 7: is he's here and he's just telling me to like
Speaker 7: that he's here for you. So she's like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: I had a friend Jerry pass away in high school.
Speaker 5: Like that, it's like saying, why would he be the
Speaker 5: person here for it?
Speaker 7: So we keep going along our days like it's literally
Speaker 7: the night before my elimination and I might speaking to
Speaker 7: myself because I'm like, now I'm kind of pisseding, Like
Speaker 7: Michelle keeps getting this horse Angel car, where's my horse
Speaker 7: Angel card?
Speaker 5: Where are you at? Brianna? Like why are you not here?
Speaker 7: You're supposed to be looking over like I'm here for
Speaker 7: you know, so literally, shit, you not. The first card
Speaker 7: that I pulled after I thought that to myself was
Speaker 7: horse Angel.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, she's here. Okay, there you are. I
Speaker 5: go I get you.
Speaker 7: So I would like, this is the first time, like
Speaker 7: I said in this this episode, this is the first
Speaker 7: time that I ever felt so confident. And it's because
Speaker 7: I felt her with me, and I even like went
Speaker 7: into like the room by myself. I'm like, you got this,
Speaker 7: like very words of affirmation to myself and I never
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 5: And I was just like, you got this.
Speaker 7: You're winning this. There's no way Corey's beating you. It
Speaker 7: doesn't matter what it is. You're meant to win this.
Speaker 7: You're meant to be be here still. Like you've like
Speaker 7: talk myself about I was fucking hyping the shit out
Speaker 7: of myself, but.
Speaker 2: You are that girl. You should be right.
Speaker 7: So going back into this, like we played, we would
Speaker 7: play cards all the time, and for whatever reason, the
Speaker 7: night that we like those two nights before, because Michelle's
Speaker 7: birthday was two nights prior to this, so that's why,
Speaker 7: like there was like all these pink balloons everywhere in
Speaker 7: that room because we celebrated Michelle's birthday. So we had
Speaker 7: been playing cards and for whatever reason, we were using
Speaker 7: the ones that had owls on him, and the joker
Speaker 7: with the owl just popped up constantly.
Speaker 9: We're like, what does the owl have to do with anything?
Speaker 5: That's so weird? So go back to the elimination. We're
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 7: I see that it's kind of gonna be a puzzle,
Speaker 7: but it's gonna be physical. I'm like, Oh, it's gonna
Speaker 7: be it's gonna be a good one. This is actually
Speaker 7: something that I could possibly win because I don't have
Speaker 7: to wrestle Corey.
Speaker 5: So we're all doing it.
Speaker 7: We finish, I'm like crying doing whatever, and I'm walking
Speaker 7: and I shit, you not a white owl?
Speaker 5: And we had not seen any owls at all.
Speaker 7: A white owl flew into the arena and circled it,
Speaker 7: and Tory.
Speaker 9: And Carl were like and my show were like, the owl,
Speaker 9: that's the owl.
Speaker 7: I'm literally like jaw dropped and the owls in there,
Speaker 7: and then it just flew out and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 7: she was with.
Speaker 5: Me, I get it. I love you, like wow, So she.
Speaker 1: Basically was like I did that, she did the owl
Speaker 1: victory lap oh. I love that you felt her with
Speaker 1: you and felt that presence with you, and I'm it
Speaker 1: was just yeah, it was it's we look, we love
Speaker 1: Corey too.
Speaker 2: So it's hard to send watches. We don't want anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't want either of you to go at
Speaker 1: this point, like there's just such great competitors in the house.
Speaker 3: Left all right, we have to take a quick break,
Speaker 3: but right back after that, Okay, let's get back to
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 2: How is it this?
Speaker 1: Like, what is the vibe in the house this late
Speaker 1: in the season. There's exceptional competitors on both sides. It
Speaker 1: seems like even though they're alliances, there's still these kind
Speaker 1: of fun, great friendships too. What is the energy in
Speaker 1: the house so close to the final So.
Speaker 9: Even though as much of it as it is split.
Speaker 7: Between Johnny, Rachel, Jenny, Aviva just left that time, but
Speaker 7: like the girls, secretly they had like Jordan for like Rachel,
Speaker 7: and like there was still a connection, like I still
Speaker 7: slept in my Era two room, Like I put three
Speaker 7: of those beds together and had a fucking jumbo California
Speaker 7: King bed like all by myself.
Speaker 9: I was like, this is my room.
Speaker 7: Even though we're not like on the same page and
Speaker 7: now we're individual and I'm not working with anybody in
Speaker 7: this room, I'm still this is my room.
Speaker 5: And actually it still keeps me close to the enemy,
Speaker 5: so I can still pay attention to what's going on
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 1: Not she being in Uh did other people move rooms
Speaker 1: at that point or was there kind of some unspoken
Speaker 1: rule in the house.
Speaker 7: Jenny had already moved into our room halfway through the
Speaker 7: whole show, so she was in the room after, and
Speaker 7: she took over in Neia Mya's bed because she was
Speaker 7: I was still kind of close to Jenny too, and
Speaker 7: like we were at the pool almost every day together
Speaker 7: drinking diet coke. If Michelle had come out, we'd be
Speaker 7: doing like crosswords and stuff, just because it was so hot.
Speaker 7: But Jenny was sleeping on Kelly M's or Emily's bed,
Speaker 7: so that was facing my bed, so she was there.
Speaker 7: Then she moved to Neamia, which is on the other
Speaker 7: side of where Johnny is, and so Cara had already
Speaker 7: moved to Era three or Era four's room, like early
Speaker 7: she slept on Polly's room, So it was as soon
Speaker 7: as Polly left, she slept in Polly's bed the entire time.
Speaker 5: So yeah, people moved, But.
Speaker 7: I just I had that weird superstition that we all have,
Speaker 7: like if you're moving into somebody's bed, it's not good luck.
Speaker 7: So I just car never slept on and put Ryan's
Speaker 7: bed that he never slept on either, and just those
Speaker 7: were my beds.
Speaker 2: Wait where was Ryan sleeping if he was never sleeping
Speaker 2: in his bed.
Speaker 7: He was sleeping in Era one side because I snore
Speaker 7: and he's a light sleeper. Oh right, I love you,
Speaker 7: I love you, but I'm divorcing he was. I mean
Speaker 7: that one that one room, like it was so zen
Speaker 7: because everybody was at that point, everybody was still on
Speaker 7: the their oxygen tanks.
Speaker 5: They were still like propped up.
Speaker 1: And their oxygen tanks. Not you calling it the retirement village.
Speaker 2: Look, oh it was.
Speaker 4: Poor era people don't lighte alert.
Speaker 3: Look what did you think about Jenny's reactions that you
Speaker 3: name in her atargy.
Speaker 1: Especially since our sipping drinks by the pool every day
Speaker 1: and cross birds.
Speaker 7: It makes it worse, no, because, mind you, she saved
Speaker 7: me halfway through the game when we were still in eras,
Speaker 7: and I was never at a point of power to
Speaker 7: be able to do the same thing, and I never lost,
Speaker 7: so I was never in an elimination.
Speaker 5: Mind you.
Speaker 7: She just did the exact same thing to make me
Speaker 7: a target. She made me a target. She had literally
Speaker 7: just made me a target two days prior to that,
Speaker 7: And so what's funny as we busted bananas, he's the
Speaker 7: one that made her go have that conversation. And I
Speaker 7: was like, I even said it you like he walked by.
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, this is why this conversation is happening.
Speaker 7: But I was just like, Jenny, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 7: And car had already told me at that point that
Speaker 7: she wanted me to say her name, so I said,
Speaker 7: I'm not I can't say Tory because Tory won and
Speaker 7: I'm not saying Michelle. That leaves three girls left. Like
Speaker 7: what math are you not getting? I don't get it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It just made no sense. Is she literally just did
Speaker 5: the same thing to me.
Speaker 7: I'm literally sitting there putting my target on that she
Speaker 7: gave me.
Speaker 5: As she's having this conversation, you should have.
Speaker 1: Been like, here, I'm gonna do it right now here.
Speaker 1: Why don't you take what you gave me and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just.
Speaker 2: Give it right back to you.
Speaker 1: I respect so much that you were honest about it.
Speaker 1: I feel like lesser players would have him in hot
Speaker 1: or tried to make it a moment, or tried to
Speaker 1: get people to gravel and you literally are just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. Sorry, yeah, and true Derek fashion. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this was your first time seeing the sand. Like
Speaker 1: everybody's been saying, you've played a masterful political game this season.
Speaker 1: Props to you. What is your strategy? The minute you
Speaker 1: realize what you're gonna have to do in this elimination?
Speaker 1: You know it's a puzzle, part physical, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: tell walk us through Derek's strategy mode in your mind?
Speaker 1: How do you sort of decide how you're going to
Speaker 1: do this one?
Speaker 8: So, just like everybody else knew, Corey was.
Speaker 7: Going to be brute strength and bring as many bricks
Speaker 7: as he could over and I'm like, okay, well I'm
Speaker 7: not beating him at that.
Speaker 8: And it was funny too, because I give him. Michelle
Speaker 8: was like, Derek, can you need at least bring two
Speaker 8: to three? He's bringing four over. I'm like, girl, I
Speaker 8: got it, Like hold on. So I saw the way
Speaker 8: that the puzzle looked.
Speaker 7: And I knew exactly what it was. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 7: why don't I build most of it on this side
Speaker 7: so he can't see it, and I'll just take two
Speaker 7: to three at a time because I'm gonna get it's
Speaker 7: gonna get heavy. So I started bringing bricks over right away.
Speaker 7: I took two right away just to see how heavy
Speaker 7: they were. And then I literally stayed on the side
Speaker 7: where the bricks were and I was rearranging and moving
Speaker 7: them all over and creating the puzzle there and then
Speaker 7: taking them over. And then I wasn't letting him see
Speaker 7: anything I was doing, so even when I was building
Speaker 7: the puzzle that was facing him, I was building it
Speaker 7: on the sides and behind my original puzzle so he
Speaker 7: couldn't see me do it. And then TJ specifically said,
Speaker 7: you can't take you can't use the sand for anything
Speaker 7: until you have every single one of your bricks on
Speaker 7: this side. So once I did that, I started like
Speaker 7: even putting just a couple in random order, just so
Speaker 7: I could have all my bricks, because I remember he
Speaker 7: said that, and then I started building it in the sand,
Speaker 7: and that's when Corey was like, oh shit, and so
Speaker 7: he did the exact same thing and started trying to
Speaker 7: like catch up to me. By at that point he
Speaker 7: was just so far behind and he had so many
Speaker 7: more bricks to like rearrange again.
Speaker 8: It was there was no way he was coming back
Speaker 8: from that.
Speaker 2: So brilliant. I mean, that's just brilliant.
Speaker 4: That is you win this elimination. Congratulations to you. We
Speaker 4: love that for you. But you went it on your
Speaker 4: little sister's birthday. What was that like?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 4: We saw all the emotions, all the everything.
Speaker 3: I'm you know, I'm a gangster, so I don't cry,
Speaker 3: but my eye did get a little sweaty.
Speaker 5: She does.
Speaker 2: She's a gangster with this soft tard.
Speaker 4: So what was that like?
Speaker 7: So, I mean, I feel like this has just come
Speaker 7: full circle because when I did All Starts two, it
Speaker 7: was just when she passed away and I did not
Speaker 7: need to be there, but I was like, I need
Speaker 7: to show up just for her because she wanted me
Speaker 7: to be there.
Speaker 8: So I was just like okay, So I got.
Speaker 7: Myself sent home on that one, and then all starts
Speaker 7: for I'm like, this is redemption.
Speaker 8: This is how we're doing.
Speaker 7: It for her, and I did it. I made it
Speaker 7: to the final, and I'm like, this was for her.
Speaker 8: We did it. I killed it in that one.
Speaker 7: So then to come back onto this one, and I
Speaker 7: didn't even like put two and two together that I
Speaker 7: might be there as long as I was to actually
Speaker 7: have to do something on her birthday, it was.
Speaker 8: Just like, Okay, this is actual motivation.
Speaker 7: And like I said earlier, I don't really like I
Speaker 7: believe in motivation and like pep talks and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But like I was feeling myself like I was.
Speaker 7: At Corey's of three and zero in there, I was like,
Speaker 7: can you imagine if I win, send him home, I
Speaker 7: don't get him, let him get his fourth. And then
Speaker 7: we all knew that it was going to be the
Speaker 7: final soon too, so I'm just like, this might be
Speaker 7: the last guy's elimination. So to win an elimination to
Speaker 7: get into the to the final is basically what I
Speaker 7: just did for All Stars four. So it's just like
Speaker 7: this is my this is when I shine. When it's
Speaker 7: when it's time to go like I'm there, I'm like
Speaker 7: ready to do this, So just to like be able
Speaker 7: to do it on her birthday, I don't know, it
Speaker 7: was just it's a it was an out of world, like,
Speaker 7: out of body filling. I've never felt like that before,
Speaker 7: and it made me feel like really good, proud of myself.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful to see that, it really was, And
Speaker 1: I know that she's got to be incredibly proud of you,
Speaker 1: you know, watching over you like that, and it was
Speaker 1: There were so many beautiful moments of this episode you
Speaker 1: speaking about just like your relationship with her, you being
Speaker 1: so vulnerable and open, which is so appreciated. I think
Speaker 1: people connect with that and in watching and I think
Speaker 1: you even sharing you know, part of your sister's story
Speaker 1: is really powerful too. So thank you for letting us,
Speaker 1: you know, learn a little bit about Brianna and sort
Speaker 1: of hear what it means to you. Something else that
Speaker 1: was also beautiful and sort of a different way. You know,
Speaker 1: we're this far in the game where the stakes are
Speaker 1: incredibly high. Everybody wants to make it to that final,
Speaker 1: right and everybody wants to do whatever they can to
Speaker 1: be safe to get to the final and then we
Speaker 1: hear Kara saying, hey, don't even worry about it, friend,
Speaker 1: like put me.
Speaker 2: In and doing so with a smile. What did it
Speaker 2: mean to you?
Speaker 1: What was your reaction to Cara sort of offering herself
Speaker 1: up as a target, and what did it mean to you?
Speaker 7: So once I found out as a target, and I
Speaker 7: was kind of like throwing all every single thing that
Speaker 7: you could like think about, like what happens if this happens,
Speaker 7: What happens if this happens, Like what am I going
Speaker 7: to do? Because at this point I had already been
Speaker 7: super close to Kara, but I was best like best.
Speaker 8: Friend with Michelle. I gave Olivia my word like we
Speaker 8: were there for that was my number one. And I
Speaker 8: remember Michelle had told me too.
Speaker 7: She's like, hey, I'm just letting you know, like when
Speaker 7: it's getting down to the wire, like you're not Cara's
Speaker 7: number one, Corey is. So if that helps you make
Speaker 7: any decisions kind of thing.
Speaker 8: So I was like, all right, there's that. So then
Speaker 8: when it shows me blowing out a candle.
Speaker 7: For my little sister's birthday, I was trying to do
Speaker 7: it on my own, but I walked into the changing
Speaker 7: room where Kara was that doing her makeup, so she
Speaker 7: was actually there with me, so she was like hugging
Speaker 7: me while I was blowing the candle out, singing Happy Birthday, like.
Speaker 8: Doing all this stuff. So it was like really meaningful
Speaker 8: to me. So then then I'm just like, shit, like
Speaker 8: this is going to be really hard to do.
Speaker 7: I don't want to like hurt her feelings whatever, but
Speaker 7: I know the type of competitor that Kara is and
Speaker 7: sometimes it takes that to light a fire in her ass.
Speaker 8: To fucking kill it.
Speaker 7: So the fact that she was like she kind of
Speaker 7: agreed with that mind, like the state of mind like
Speaker 7: maybe I need this to do well.
Speaker 8: On this part because it's going to be the last
Speaker 8: girl's final.
Speaker 7: So the fact that she did that, it just was
Speaker 7: such a huge relief, like that I didn't have to
Speaker 7: like choose between two of my friends, so it took
Speaker 7: a lot of weight off my shoulder. So I really appreciate,
Speaker 7: like it's such a badass, like down person who has
Speaker 7: your back move to do and I'll always be grateful,
Speaker 7: And like I said, like you couldn't tell people like
Speaker 7: you'll have their back or you'll do stuff for them,
Speaker 7: but there's a time and place for everything. So if
Speaker 7: it ever comes down to it and we're on the
Speaker 7: same show again to help her do something like I
Speaker 7: owe her, you know.
Speaker 1: So Yeah, And did she bring it up all on
Speaker 1: her own kind of not out of the blue, because
Speaker 1: I know you guys were having that moment. Did she
Speaker 1: just come over and say, hey, Derek put me in,
Speaker 1: don't even stress about it.
Speaker 8: It was kind of a bit of both.
Speaker 7: And it's not like they were I mean, obviously people
Speaker 7: talk like, so, what do you think you're gonna do?
Speaker 7: Like on either side, like Rachel and them ask me,
Speaker 7: what do you think you're gonna do? Johnny asked me,
Speaker 7: like so, it's just one of those things like I
Speaker 7: had already been talking about like how it's gonna be hard,
Speaker 7: but like, obviously I don't think I'm going to say
Speaker 7: Michelle's name kind of thing. So I think it was
Speaker 7: another thing too, like I don't know, to soften a
Speaker 7: blow at least, you know, so Carr can maybe do
Speaker 7: it on her own terms instead of me selecting her,
Speaker 7: which it just it was just it worked all way.
Speaker 8: Around because it's like she helped me as a friend.
Speaker 8: She did something.
Speaker 7: Super nice for me so far into the game, which
Speaker 7: could be very dangerous and for her to like take it,
Speaker 7: take it over and be like, hey, maybe I need
Speaker 7: this because I need to get into this spot too.
Speaker 7: And I just saw how bad ass like you did this.
Speaker 7: So the fact that now I'm a target and I
Speaker 7: could possibly do this like this is gonna be like
Speaker 7: another fucking like notch on Carr's belt. Like she is
Speaker 7: a badass kind of thing, you know, So if it
Speaker 7: comes down to her having to do something like this
Speaker 7: is what she kind of needed.
Speaker 8: So yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: It was kind of talked about, but like she definitely
Speaker 7: did that on her own. I was so appreciative and
Speaker 7: so thankful for it.
Speaker 2: Carl Maria, Carl Maria, She's got a lot this season.
Speaker 2: She's done so much. Like it's been so beautiful, Kara,
Speaker 2: we love you.
Speaker 1: It's been beautiful to see beautiful, to see location Chase.
Speaker 8: Pack you wait.
Speaker 5: I felt so bad.
Speaker 10: I felt so bad for Corey because yeah, it's always
Speaker 10: the word to hear it in front of it, like
Speaker 10: you think, like since they don't send them off anymore,
Speaker 10: he actually had to stand there and hear that while
Speaker 10: we were all cheering and happy being stuff.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, that's so fucked up.
Speaker 3: It was heartbreaking watching his face, like he literally collapsed,
Speaker 3: like and I was thinking the same thing. I was like, oh, Tej,
Speaker 3: you could have waited, but oh to hear that, I
Speaker 3: just know, Like, but anyway, where are you hoping to go?
Speaker 7: So we were like when he's like, we're gonna go
Speaker 7: somewhere that's a lot less green, I'm like, hey, it's
Speaker 7: not really that green here, like it's somewhere we've been.
Speaker 2: I was thinking that too, Yeah, where have we been at?
Speaker 7: But when he said that, I'm like, oh, we're going
Speaker 7: to go somewhere cold, We're going somewhere with snow or
Speaker 7: something like, there's no way And I was like, maybe
Speaker 7: blue like water and stuff, but like we have water,
Speaker 7: like this isn't green green here, like, so we didn't
Speaker 7: get it. So we're just like, we have no idea
Speaker 7: where we're going to go. And obviously they don't let
Speaker 7: you know anything until you're in the location.
Speaker 5: That you're at. I'm like, oh, shuit, okay, are you nervous?
Speaker 2: Are you just excited? Are you what are your thoughts? Feelings?
Speaker 2: You're making time.
Speaker 7: I did my first location change with you on the
Speaker 7: Battle of the season, so I was very yeah, but
Speaker 7: then I was also I remember that at least this one, no,
Speaker 7: I knew that there was going to be another girl's elimination,
Speaker 7: so there was going to be another challenge, Like we
Speaker 7: knew that, whereas all the seasons they didn't let us
Speaker 7: know there was going to be another challenge.
Speaker 5: We thought we all made the final.
Speaker 1: We did, and it was a surprise, and then you
Speaker 1: and Johnnay had to do a last minute elimination wild
Speaker 1: in that desert.
Speaker 7: Not heartbroken, but my body was, like mental state was
Speaker 7: just broken down because I mean, things changed, but we
Speaker 7: were another impression. We were in the final, so to
Speaker 7: travel the two people took us to get to Africa,
Speaker 7: to get to the four hours to drive to our
Speaker 7: house to everybody to shower, and I like try to
Speaker 7: get into the shower and there was no hot water left.
Speaker 2: I was just so diffus.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then He's like, yeah, it was I'm.
Speaker 4: Like, this was a challenge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was struggle bus because I actually
Speaker 1: still have the vision in my head of you guys
Speaker 1: doing that final competition.
Speaker 2: I was so heartbroken when you guys got eliminated.
Speaker 1: So here we are now fast forward over a decade later,
Speaker 1: which is wild. You also have not aged a day,
Speaker 1: also wild. And now it looks like me and you're
Speaker 1: heading to the final.
Speaker 2: Yeah shout out to a good S Denison. I just
Speaker 2: bought some botox on Black Friday sale.
Speaker 1: Yeah you've It looks like you're on your way to
Speaker 1: a final. What are you telling yourself as you're packing
Speaker 1: up your things going to this next location?
Speaker 2: Is there like a mantra? Are you talking to your sister?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 2: What are you trying to channel to take it home
Speaker 2: this season?
Speaker 7: After that elimination when I'm like, okay, Like you've been
Speaker 7: able to do everything that you needed to do and
Speaker 7: you've said that you're going to do. You've proved yourself
Speaker 7: for like proved yourself and you've proved to everybody else
Speaker 7: here that you deserve to be here.
Speaker 5: So the only thing left to do is win.
Speaker 7: And we still don't know exactly how these karma points
Speaker 7: are going to play out, but like, if I can
Speaker 7: just look around, I'm like, I'm pretty sure I'm doing
Speaker 7: well on the karma points too, So like, how is
Speaker 7: like that's I have that for me? I mean, at
Speaker 7: least I have that for me too, So if that
Speaker 7: plays like a big factor and stuff like as long
Speaker 7: as I do well. But it's just like the caliber
Speaker 7: of people that are still there, like me, Jordan, Johnny,
Speaker 7: and Kylin are the only guys that won individual challenges.
Speaker 2: That's impressive because.
Speaker 7: Johnny won the individual like the in the invitational at
Speaker 7: the very beginning, and then Kylin and Jordan won everything and.
Speaker 8: I won one.
Speaker 5: So I was just like, Okay, so this is who's
Speaker 5: meant to be here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the way you just casually was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bananas won one, Kylin and Jordan won everything, and
Speaker 1: then I won one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we're here. It's just it's funny. They're questions.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what it is.
Speaker 7: It's just And then I'm just like, well, shit, like
Speaker 7: if there's only one girl's elimination, he played the actual
Speaker 7: perfect game and didn't have to see the senate, I
Speaker 7: was like, I was almost there, but no. I just
Speaker 7: was telling myself like, if you can do what you've
Speaker 7: done to this point so far, there's no telling what
Speaker 7: you can do in this final.
Speaker 5: And this is what I've been wanting. I when I
Speaker 5: made it to All.
Speaker 7: Stars four final, I wanted to run and the fact
Speaker 7: that like I got knocked out for not getting electricated
Speaker 7: like it was.
Speaker 5: That was heartbreaking.
Speaker 7: So I'm just like, I know what these I know,
Speaker 7: I know booths finals and there are no jokes. So
Speaker 7: I'm definitely excited that I'm going to actually be able
Speaker 7: to do this. So I know, maybe Jordan can get
Speaker 7: in last place and get like you know, I'm sort
Speaker 7: of like penalty or something, and we just throw a
Speaker 7: bone too, let's teach.
Speaker 1: Come on, what kind of challenge do you think Jordan
Speaker 1: would have to be assigned for him to have the
Speaker 1: best chance at getting last place in it? I'm curious
Speaker 1: this is for you too, Davon, Like.
Speaker 2: What is the thing?
Speaker 1: It could be anything, like it could be absurd, Like
Speaker 1: what's the thing where you're like, oh, if they did
Speaker 1: this one day? Like I don't know, I'd say probably,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even feel like he'd be
Speaker 1: good at a wig application challenge.
Speaker 2: No yell everybody challenge, and that's good.
Speaker 1: When Davon said a no yelling challenge under stressful circumstances,
Speaker 1: that's probably fair.
Speaker 3: Jordan will get out immediately immediately, and I'd be right
Speaker 3: next to him because I'm loud.
Speaker 2: But you just be talking to day. You just be
Speaker 2: talking normally.
Speaker 3: No emotions.
Speaker 4: I'm just loud.
Speaker 7: I literally just watched I watched Final Reckoning again like
Speaker 7: the other night, Like I was just it's I usually
Speaker 7: put stuff on like that on the like to fall
Speaker 7: asleep too.
Speaker 5: And I love you in that fucking season. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I was loud.
Speaker 8: There.
Speaker 2: She is hilarious. She's literally everything. Derek.
Speaker 1: Have you been training significantly as you've been back into
Speaker 1: this fold both in All Stars now you're back on
Speaker 1: the flagship. What has your training been, Like, I'm curious.
Speaker 5: Normally, I mean I.
Speaker 7: Just go to the gym in general, Like it's not
Speaker 7: like especially like I mean, you know how it works out,
Speaker 7: Like there's certain times you're just like okay, cool, like
Speaker 7: this could possibly be a chance of like getting called
Speaker 7: for it or whatever. So yeah, I say that I
Speaker 7: do turn it up a little, and I like add
Speaker 7: different things into my work.
Speaker 5: I routine soil because you always.
Speaker 7: Have to like be so versatile to do these shows,
Speaker 7: and there's you can't just train for one thing, Like
Speaker 7: I said, I said it a few episodes ago. W
Speaker 7: I was like, I might not be able to like
Speaker 7: lift two hundred fifty pounds, but I can kick you
Speaker 7: with six girls that an't going to vote me in,
Speaker 7: you know, Like, yeah, I just you have to be
Speaker 7: well versed and everything. So I always just tell people
Speaker 7: when they ask how I'm training, I go, I just
Speaker 7: try to keep my endurance up because you're basically training
Speaker 7: for the final.
Speaker 9: So if you can run miles and miles.
Speaker 7: Or you can like go in between like stations and
Speaker 7: do like swimming and jumping. So I'd use a lot
Speaker 7: of like hit workouts, so high intensity interval training stuff.
Speaker 5: I add running into it.
Speaker 7: I try to do like sobriety for a little bit,
Speaker 7: like at least a few weeks just to get my
Speaker 7: body like back into it. But yeah, I just I
Speaker 7: feel like I trained just to get to a final.
Speaker 2: Love that.
Speaker 5: How do you try to eat fucking fermented duck embryo?
Speaker 5: How do you change?
Speaker 4: You can't, and you can't because that's not on the menu.
Speaker 4: I didn't have that at all whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. You definitely can't train to eat.
Speaker 1: Then is there anything you can tease about the upcoming
Speaker 1: episodes without giving us spoilers? Is there something we should
Speaker 1: keep our eye on? M give us the tea?
Speaker 5: I would say, you are going to be You're gonna
Speaker 5: be surprised, mostly on the girl's side.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 7: I don't if it's good.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's bad.
Speaker 7: I don't know if it has to do with certain people.
Speaker 7: I just feel like in the next couple of episodes,
Speaker 7: the girl's side.
Speaker 5: Is going to be insane. It's going to be Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's all.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one other question too. You mentioned the
Speaker 1: karma points. Do y'all know about the karma points in
Speaker 1: the house yet? Because did TJ tell y'all? I thought
Speaker 1: you guys didn't know about multiple points.
Speaker 7: That he literally made sure that everybody stayed and we left.
Speaker 8: We just knew something was going on.
Speaker 7: We assumed it was maybe like, oh, maybe they're going
Speaker 7: to vote for something, or maybe it was something we
Speaker 7: all were kind of just obviously, you know, we all
Speaker 7: just talk up our asses and we're just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's going to be this.
Speaker 1: We something was happening, so okay, So since the people
Speaker 1: who would get eliminated were still kind of hanging around,
Speaker 1: you knew there was somehow some And he made that
Speaker 1: statement in the beginning of the season right about like
Speaker 1: how you treat people or whatever how you're.
Speaker 7: Getting made it multiple times throughout the season, and it
Speaker 7: might not show it every single time.
Speaker 8: But he's like, I'm just letting you guys know, like.
Speaker 7: Hopefully you've been treating people well for this and this,
Speaker 7: Like he he let us know couple of times.
Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha, Okay, then one more question and I'm to
Speaker 2: let you go.
Speaker 1: Wait, So do you feel like people treated people differently
Speaker 1: because they were heating TJ's warning or do you think
Speaker 1: it had no effect in the house.
Speaker 8: I feel like a majority of the people didn't give
Speaker 8: a shit with.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I thought, I predicted, but I was
Speaker 1: just curious if people were trying to be nicer figuring
Speaker 1: Oh let me you know, yeah, get on those carm points.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: I loved that for us. I love that.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about this season. I'm so excited that you
Speaker 3: came to hang out with us on the podcast, Derek.
Speaker 3: We have been waiting to talk to you and pick
Speaker 3: your brain about this season. Now, if the people on
Speaker 3: the socials of the media is want to pick your brain,
Speaker 3: where can they find you?
Speaker 7: So, because when I stopped doing the shows back like
Speaker 7: in the early late later twenty eras or whatever, I
Speaker 7: took the MTV out of my handle, and I don't
Speaker 7: think I have that anymore.
Speaker 8: So when I started getting back onto it, I switched it.
Speaker 7: So it's basically my name with on Instagram it's uh
Speaker 7: Derek ce but with periods in between each letter X
Speaker 7: formally known as Twitter is the same thing, but with
Speaker 7: underscores and with all my name, and then I'm on
Speaker 7: tiktoking and buy me at MTV Derek Love.
Speaker 1: It's MTV Derek. We love you, friend, and love seeing
Speaker 1: you on this show. Way to kick butt, way to
Speaker 1: represent uh and I cannot wait to see where it
Speaker 1: all ends up. But thank you for coming to visit
Speaker 1: Day and I and the rest of the challenge listeners,
Speaker 1: and fill a little tea and share what's going on.
Speaker 1: Please give each of your wigs a hug from us.
Speaker 1: Let us know that we love and appreciate them too.
Speaker 8: Oh I will, while you'll probably get a video or
Speaker 8: a picture soon too.
Speaker 11: Yes, Yes, always fun hanging out with our friend Derek,
Speaker 11: just like it's always fun hanging out with you.
Speaker 2: Day.
Speaker 1: I love and adore you, and I know the fans
Speaker 1: do too if they want to be able to follow
Speaker 1: you or just be nosy all up in your business.
Speaker 2: Where can they do that? On social We.
Speaker 4: Love people that are nosy because I'm one of them.
Speaker 3: Now you can find me what the socials of the
Speaker 3: media is at Devon Diane Underscore. Where can the people
Speaker 3: find you? Because we love it the Amazon lives now. Okay,
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Speaker 1: You can probably find me burging, but you can find
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