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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off now.

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Speaker 1: Play is Traveling Buck. That would be me solo today

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Speaker 1: and plays back tomorrow. So we're gonna rock and roll

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Speaker 1: here for three hours, my friends. A lot to discuss

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Speaker 1: with you, particularly on the criminal justice front. Let me

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Speaker 1: tell you that if there is a theme I can

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Speaker 1: throw out for all of you today, it would be

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Speaker 1: if this was a we had law, jurorsprudence and social

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Speaker 1: thought was our pre law department at Ambers. We could

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Speaker 1: have started out the day or the class today with

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Speaker 1: what is justice exactly? Question mark? Because you have a

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Speaker 1: couple of things all coming together, the Daniel Penny trial,

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Speaker 1: which I want to get into some detail with you

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Speaker 1: on an update on Jesse Smolette. That's right, friends, and

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Speaker 1: it is not a good one for those who believe

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Speaker 1: in justice and sanity. And then all so, the continued

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Speaker 1: General of the Trump administration to this day I will

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Speaker 1: throw out to this day despite all the things, never

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Speaker 1: charged with any crime of any kind, Congressman Gates, isn't

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Speaker 1: that interesting? Maybe they should start the discussions at least

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Speaker 1: with that. If they were thinking about this in legal terms,

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Speaker 1: you would assume, right, we always have to say alleged,

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Speaker 1: But he's not even really alleged, is he, because no

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Speaker 1: one's ever even brought charges. It's just in the ether.

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Speaker 1: It's just rumor. It's just stuff that people have said

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Speaker 1: to other people, but that no authority has ever actually

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Speaker 1: decided warranted charges, never mind a conviction. I think that

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Speaker 1: that's important to put out there because the way that

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Speaker 1: all these discussions in the Democrat media are going, you

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Speaker 1: would think that somehow this had been adjudicated in a

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Speaker 1: negative way for Congressman Gates, and that is the opposite

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Speaker 1: of the truth, and we like the truth here. So

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Speaker 1: I do want to start, though, if I can, with

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Speaker 1: these two moments in time, with our justice system of

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Speaker 1: Daniel Penny and I have the We're going to do

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Speaker 1: a deep dive, you and me. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into his initial interrogation, okay, and how

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Speaker 1: this went and what we now know about Daniel Penny,

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Speaker 1: and then I will get to what is going to

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Speaker 1: be called now by at least Jesse Smollette and his team,

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Speaker 1: the exoneration of Esse Smollett. That's right, friends, they've overturned,

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Speaker 1: overturned that preposterous liars conviction. And I want to get

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Speaker 1: into why. I want to get into how this happens,

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Speaker 1: how it undermines our sense that the rule of law

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Speaker 1: real in this country. Just like with the legal immigration,

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Speaker 1: the lawlessness all around us builds up and creates a perception,

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Speaker 1: creates a broad feeling that this is now just a system,

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Speaker 1: meaning our legal system through which power is exercised instead

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Speaker 1: of justice, and that includes racial justice, social justice. All

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Speaker 1: the different forms that they say, no, no, no, there

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Speaker 1: is only justice. All those other things are politicized versions,

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Speaker 1: are political notions. We'll get into this though. Right justice

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Speaker 1: as a concept, it's either just or it is not.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to have these modifiers. But there's a

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Speaker 1: reason why they do that. Let me get back into

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Speaker 1: Daniel Penny. As you know, part of my story is

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Speaker 1: I grew up in the worst version of New York

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Speaker 1: nonprecedented numbers something like twenty two hundred murders. When I'm

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Speaker 1: And then we lost that because of the vile communist

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Speaker 1: defund police and racial justice movement all tied in together.

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Speaker 1: Abolish prisons, by the way, also a part of this,

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Speaker 1: I don't view it that way. Any person can commit

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter what those numbers end up being.

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Speaker 1: Riker's Island, the primary prison of New York City is

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Speaker 1: over ninety percent black and Hispanic. That has been the

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Speaker 1: just the true. That is just the number. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: they say, well, that's unfair. There must be a systemic racism.

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Speaker 1: less enforcement. Guess what happens. We've seen what happens. And

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Speaker 1: much safer than it was in the early nineties. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and what happened here. I watched the whole interrogation tape.

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Speaker 1: Is face right now manslaughter charges in your involuntary manslaughter

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Speaker 1: why is this guy walking around the streets? Oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: social justice can't lock him up? Why? Oh that's the

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Speaker 1: Democrats that one Daniel Penny steps in. Now here's the

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Speaker 1: frustrating because I think Daniel Penny. He's a young guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's easy for me to sit here. Former CIA,

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Speaker 2: Oh cool, she got her weapons.

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Speaker 3: Was not military. So I don't know what that stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's like another language, derbitized six Marines.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there he goes there, ninety six two thousandloads in

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Speaker 3: And then I ended up here and now I got

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Speaker 3: yea man, I go up in Queens as well. Fast, nice, fast,

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Speaker 3: nice sue. That's a good name. Anyway, listen to So

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Speaker 2: Sure you know that you're sitting around him and being cooperative.

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Speaker 1: It's a trap and you just see him walking right

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Speaker 1: But with the FBI, they can say you lied, and

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Speaker 1: That's how they got Martha Stewart, by the way, lying

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Speaker 1: you know who you know who made sure she went away.

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Speaker 1: James Comy. James Comy, he's the one who decided she

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Speaker 1: James Colemey showed us who he was with that, and

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Speaker 3: Right. I understand that Dan not as people, But would

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Speaker 2: He felt like, oh he was absolutely he felt like

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Speaker 2: someone's life was in danger.

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Speaker 3: Did anybody else hold him down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was two other guys that were helping. As

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Speaker 2: soon as those guys came in and were holding his arms.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of let up he let him go.

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Speaker 3: And when you let him go, what happened? What do

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Speaker 3: you remember? It's just was he still moving? Was he

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Speaker 3: still saying anything?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was moving a bit. And I was

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Speaker 2: worried that he would go again. So telling those jo

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Speaker 2: just like, hey, like, make sure you keep hanging on

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Speaker 2: to him.

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Speaker 3: So the three of you holding him down or just

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Speaker 3: the two other generals, just.

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Speaker 2: The two other guys were hanging on to him.

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Speaker 3: And how long did they hold him down? They were

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Speaker 3: holding him down by the arms, by the arms, how

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Speaker 3: long would they holding him down before the before the

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Speaker 3: cops got there?

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Speaker 2: Like I said, man, it's like all like you're exerting

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Speaker 2: energy and.

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Speaker 3: Going right, It's like fuite a flight. Everything's going, you know,

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Speaker 3: and scratch track of time. I understand at any given time,

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Speaker 3: did you reapply any kind of holds any once you

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Speaker 3: let him go? And that was that. It.

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Speaker 1: Now a few things here, one is he's just giving

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Speaker 1: them more and more on the spot. That was It

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Speaker 1: was clearly it was all used against him, right, That's

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Speaker 1: why they brought all these charges. But what I take

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Speaker 1: from this is, so is every are the other people

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Speaker 1: involved in this? Are they accessories to murder? Or accessories

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Speaker 1: to manslaughter, because they also they didn't if this wasn't

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Speaker 1: something that that seemed like somebody stepping in to defend

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Speaker 1: the week and the vulnerable, why wouldn't the other men

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Speaker 1: on the train be shoving Penny off this guy? Right,

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Speaker 1: they're observing this whole thing too. They must have been

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Speaker 1: scared as well. They were helping him. They didn't know him.

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Speaker 1: They're not gang members all coming together to do something

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Speaker 1: bad here. They're random bystanders, and they were helping Penny

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Speaker 1: subdue this individual, this individual who shouldn't have been on

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Speaker 1: the street because the NYPD and the prosecutors of New

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Speaker 1: York City failed the people of New York. So then

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Speaker 1: a citizen, a marine, steps in and tries to protect people,

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Speaker 1: and now he's facing manslatter charters. Meanwhile, on the other

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Speaker 1: side of things, on the other side of things, Jesse

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Speaker 1: Smilette has just gotten his case overturned State Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: in Illinois. I want to talk to you about why

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Speaker 1: that happened. It's appalling that this is what's gone on,

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Speaker 1: but something else just happened too big breaking news. I

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Speaker 1: won't hold it through the I could do this thing

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Speaker 1: where I don't tell you, but Matt Gates is out

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Speaker 1: out as would be attorney general. This was announced. I

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Speaker 1: had excellent meetings. This is Matt Gates on X. I

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Speaker 1: had excellent meetings with centers yesterday. I appreciate their thoughtful

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Speaker 1: feedback and the incredible support of so many. While the

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Speaker 1: momentum was strong, it is clear that my confirmation was

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Speaker 1: unfairly becoming a distraction to the critical work of the

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Speaker 1: Trump Vance transition. Just a week after Trump announced he

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Speaker 1: planned to nominate Gates to the position. There is no

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Speaker 1: time this is again from his post on X, no

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Speaker 1: time to waste on a needlessly protracted Washington scuffle. Thus,

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Speaker 1: I'll be withdrawing my name from consideration to serve as

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Speaker 1: Attorney general. Trump's DJ must be in place and ready

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Speaker 1: on day one.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Of course, to people're gonna argue about this, is this

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Speaker 1: because Gates didn't want more to come out? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think everything that they were going to say has

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Speaker 1: probably already come out. But there's more in that report. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now we're looking for another attorney general for the Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: The Whisper campaign, the ethics report. Was that enough to

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Speaker 1: push Gates out on its own, or did he just

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Speaker 1: really not want to get involved in this mess any longer.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of pieces to unravel here again with

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Speaker 1: the Penny case, I've got more thoughts, but we've got this,

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Speaker 1: We've got Jesse Smallett. And now the big breaking news,

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Speaker 1: Matt Gates never charged. I just I it's if it's so,

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Speaker 1: if they put all this stuff out there, that's the

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Speaker 1: one question.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 1: If they have him with these with the following things,

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Speaker 1: why did they never even bring charges? Now Gates would

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Speaker 1: say because he didn't do any of this stuff that

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Speaker 1: they're saying, right, he says he is one hundred percent innocent. Well,

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Speaker 1: now he stepped away. Was this all a gambit? Did

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Speaker 1: Gates know that? He just gets sick? I can tell you.

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Speaker 1: I know Gates didn't like being in Congress that much.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people don't like being in

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Speaker 1: Congress that much. Spend all your time fundraising? But was

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Speaker 1: this meant to be the decoy? So to take all

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Speaker 1: this he and anything else is gonna seem reasonable, right,

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Speaker 1: or at least relatively speaking reasonable by comparison. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: where we are. That is the situation, my friends. Matt

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Speaker 1: Gates is out. Let's talk. Why do you think he dropped?

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Speaker 1: I want to take your calls on this one. Was

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Speaker 1: this a strategy that Gates was in on with Trump

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Speaker 1: all along? Or was the pressure too much and he

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Speaker 1: just said, look I don't need this and it's a

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Speaker 1: distraction for Trump?

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Speaker 3: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Was it forty chess? You could say, I know people

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. Honestly, the big breaking

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Speaker 1: news just happened them on the air. Matt Gates withdraws

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Speaker 1: his name as a possible attorney general under the Trump administration. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if if they weren't going to

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Speaker 1: see it through, it makes me think that this was

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Speaker 1: a ploy all along, right, that this was meant to

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Speaker 1: be to be the I don't know, the uh, the

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Speaker 1: fly zapper if you will, everything they're all all morning, Joe.

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Speaker 1: They're all freaked out about about Matt Gates doing this,

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Speaker 1: And I really mean what I said before as well.

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Speaker 1: If they have all these allegations, why never charges. That's

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Speaker 1: the part of this that I don't understand. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be that hard. They have sworn affidavits, they have witnesses,

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Speaker 1: they have they have all this stuff. Why no charges?

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Speaker 1: If I could get an answer to that, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'd know a lot more about what's really going

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Speaker 1: on here. But maybe he also just wants to go,

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Speaker 1: you know, be married, live his life, and enjoy himself

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Speaker 1: and not be in the midst of the scrum of

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Speaker 1: the mess, the melee that's going to be the early

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Speaker 1: part of the Trump administration. I've got to see. I

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Speaker 1: haven't talked to anybody, obviously, because it's just happened. I

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Speaker 1: haven't talked to anybody in Trump's orbit about how this

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Speaker 1: decision finally came down. It's not like they didn't know

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Speaker 1: that there were people who were gonna come after him

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Speaker 1: on Like this stuff had all been known for a while, right,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't really new. By leaving early, he doesn't stop

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Speaker 1: the Congressional report from possibly being released or even leaked.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be leaked. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be, but it probably will be. You're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to do that, but they will. So what was the

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Speaker 1: point of all of this? That's uh, it didn't last

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Speaker 1: that long. It certainly got the Libs very upset, which

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Speaker 1: in and of itself, I think there's something worthwhile in

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Speaker 1: all of that. But yeah, maybe the allegations alone were

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Speaker 1: enough to just make it too much of a distraction.

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Speaker 1: I wonder. I think there's some other very good people.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm sitting here and I'm saying who if

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Speaker 1: I'm Trump, who do I pick his ag It's Mike Lee.

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Speaker 1: If Michael will take the job, Senator Mike Lee. That's

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Speaker 1: why I'd put in guy who really knows the law,

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Speaker 1: is unafraid, you know, knows what he's taking on, knows

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Speaker 1: the system, super high IQ and a very you know,

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Speaker 1: very honorable and distinguished record, right so, which you know

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Speaker 1: might be an asset. I I think I think you

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Speaker 1: could probably find somebody who goes in there and swings

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Speaker 1: the sledgehammer, who has a little less baggage. So that's

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Speaker 1: a I'm just trying to find the trying to find

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Speaker 1: the upsides here, try to find the places where this

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Speaker 1: can be well, where this can be explained, because to me,

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Speaker 1: the most likely situation is that they did this knowing that,

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Speaker 1: but ma gets resigned from Congress, right, So that's the part.

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Speaker 1: It's not like he didn't take a big affirmative step

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Speaker 1: as though he wanted to do this. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would, I would say, let's get Matt

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Speaker 1: on to hear his point of view on this one,

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Speaker 1: but he's probably gonna be kind of limited in what

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Speaker 1: he'll say beyond. Look, it was a mess, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to keep going through this and keep dealing

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Speaker 1: with this. But to me, this is indicative of a strategy.

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Speaker 1: Probably I think they knew this was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: and I think that there's some joy that Matt probably had,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Gates probably had in driving all of his enemies

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Speaker 1: completely insane. I mean, there were news stories about how

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Speaker 1: the whole swaths of the DOJ we're gonna resign, resign,

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Speaker 1: which and then people said, great, you know it's they're

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Speaker 1: they're doing the work of Doze before Doge can even

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Speaker 1: get there. But yeah, that that's the one for all

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Speaker 1: these people who say Gates broke the law, and not

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Speaker 1: just one. You know, there's the sort of the most

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Speaker 1: serious allegations against him, but they're a whole range of

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Speaker 1: you know, paying you know, even prostitutes who are of

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Speaker 1: age is illegal, right, I mean, you're allowed to send

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Speaker 1: still still illegal to do. So there's all these different

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Speaker 1: allegations of criminal activity. And I just said, I say,

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Speaker 1: why were no charges ever broad? And maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a statute limitations thing, But if that were

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Speaker 1: the case, wouldn't they explain that, wouldn't they say that?

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Speaker 3: Anyway?

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Speaker 1: The good news is I think it no longer provides

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Speaker 1: a foil for the Democrats because they had really been

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Speaker 1: digging in hard on this one. They had been saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, this shows you what a reckless mess the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration is going to be. And he hasn't learned anything,

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Speaker 1: and it's all about loyalty to him. Well, now, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we can get somebody who I think is both really

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Speaker 1: loyal to the cause the constitution, loyal to the rule

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Speaker 1: of law, and isn't going to create quite the same vulnerabilities, Right,

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Speaker 1: you can get somebody in there who is you can

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Speaker 1: get somebody who's a brawler. I mean, you look at

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Speaker 1: someone like Cash, buttell who I hope is going to

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Speaker 1: be the next FBI director. And Cash Patel knows the system,

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Speaker 1: knows where the bodies metaphorically are buried right, knows what

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Speaker 1: the problem is within within FBI specifically dealt with it

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Speaker 1: with Fiza and and uh and you know all the nonsense,

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Speaker 1: the Russia collusion nonsense they ran against Trump. So those

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Speaker 1: are all big parts of this, I think, to understand

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Speaker 1: the excesses and then to be able to maneuver within

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Speaker 1: that system. And Cash is is a guy.

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Speaker 3: He's a good guy.

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Speaker 1: He's an honorable guy. I'm not saying, you know, Gates,

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Speaker 1: he says none of this is true about him, But

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Speaker 1: there's no allegation. There's nothing about Cash that's like, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, hair on fire, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: And that's true of a lot of the Trump nominees too.

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Speaker 1: They've also gone really hard after my after my friend

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Speaker 1: Pete Hegseth, I know, so you know they're they're look,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be brass knuckles in this. This Trump administration

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Speaker 1: taken by the media, the Democrats, to anybody who's on

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Speaker 1: from squad. We'll take some calls coming up here, you

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Speaker 1: know what, it'd be great. Actually we got oncle Bill

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Speaker 1: joining us. There we go. Uncle Bill can sit down

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Speaker 1: and explain what he thinks happened with Gates. Was it

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Speaker 1: a ploy or was it just too much heat?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Was this nomination meant to distract the Libs or do

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Speaker 1: they just get too freaked out? Or what what happened here?

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that with Bill O'Reilly in just a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: and then I'll come back to the Jusse Smolette thing.

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Speaker 1: They just overturned his conviction. So now I was gonna

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna tell you something's gonna drive you insane.

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Speaker 1: Not only did they overturn Jesse Smollett's conviction in Illinois,

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Speaker 1: he's going to go on to sue the state of

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Speaker 1: Illinois and he's going to get a seven figure payout.

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Speaker 1: That's my prediction. You watch, you see