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Speaker 3: Morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing.

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Speaker 4: Great?

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Speaker 3: Excellent?

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Speaker 2: Got a bunch of stuff to get to you, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: It's going to give us a flotilla update. We've got

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Speaker 2: some Mayor Pete weighing in on Israel and Gaza spreading misinformation.

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Speaker 2: We've got the most horrific ice raid and trampling of

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Speaker 5: Rank Griffin and most importantly, Taylor Swift new album, you know,

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Speaker 5: potentially the worst thing we have to talk about all day.

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Speaker 2: And there's a new album, like like a new new album.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even see.

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Speaker 5: This apparently came out just and just in time for

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Speaker 5: my birthday. So we're gonna break all that down. We're

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Speaker 5: gonna get copyright straw. It'll be great, Emily, Are you excited?

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Speaker 4: That's right? Everyone in the comments, you have to be

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Speaker 4: nice this time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, alright, I always love You're like my favorite.

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Speaker 5: I don't read them, but they get sent to me.

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Speaker 5: I read the emails, I don't read the comments. Okay,

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Speaker 5: all right, Well let's get right into it. Let's start

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Speaker 5: with some flotilla updates. Now, the majority of the flotillas

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Speaker 5: have been intercepted on their way into Gaza, and this

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Speaker 5: video was released by Ben Givier taunting some of the

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Speaker 5: flotilla activists.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 2: He's calling them terrorists, murderers.

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Speaker 4: All right, So that's most of it.

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Speaker 5: It goes on from there, and there's other videos of

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Speaker 5: the IDF boarding the ships, and it seems like their

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Speaker 5: new angle is that there was actually they're showing there's

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Speaker 5: no aid on these ships actually, and that it was

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Speaker 5: all a pr stunt, Ryan, where are we at with

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Speaker 5: all of this, and especially with your drop site correspondent

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Speaker 5: Alex Well.

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Speaker 6: He's with everybody else And as we understand, basically everybody

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Speaker 6: has been moved to a space inside uh the Kittat

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Speaker 6: prison which is down in southern Gaza, notorious as a

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 6: But our understanding is that they're all being held together

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Speaker 6: than being illegally taken into custody. They were, uh, they

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Speaker 6: were not in Israeli waters when the Israeli warships you know,

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Speaker 6: boarded and captured them.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 6: The International Court of Justice has an order in place

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Speaker 6: instructing Israel that they are forbidden from blocking humanitarian aid

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Speaker 6: into Gaza. So not only did they not have the

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Speaker 6: Israel claims that it was enforcing a legal naval blockade,

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Speaker 6: but that's that assertion is rejected by the International Court

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Speaker 2: I also want to just sit for a second with Ben,

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Speaker 2: sorry Ben Gevere, having the audacity to call them terrorists

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Speaker 2: when first of all, what are they doing. They try

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Speaker 7: And I was wondering if either of you could address, like,

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Speaker 7: I'm seeing a bunch of Israeli propaganda videos after having

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Speaker 6: So the so Alex had told us that every ship

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Speaker 6: had you know, significant quantities of particularly baby formula mm hmm,

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Speaker 6: because that's you know, and and and other like you know,

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Speaker 6: to people facing severe mount nutrition.

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Speaker 2: And didn't I see that Israel had deemed peanut butter

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Israel

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Speaker 6: did not post videos of that. I mean, you can

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Speaker 6: certainly find places on the boat that don't have AID

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Speaker 8: Yeah, so you're just going through the boats and saying

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Speaker 8: there's nothing in here there it was all for show,

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Speaker 9: Bringing into Gaza, which explains one thing to me.

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Speaker 10: I'm sure it explains to you that when we and

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Speaker 10: multiple other countries offered them to take this aid and

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Speaker 10: bring it to the Gazans, we could facilitate it safe arrival,

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Speaker 10: they flat out rejected it.

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Speaker 4: How much like that facilitating going on.

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Speaker 6: Eat on that on that point they did say like, okay,

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Speaker 6: we will will take the aid to Rashkana, will take

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Speaker 6: the aid here and then we'll deliver it, which is

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Speaker 6: the just uh kind of an insult to anybody's intelligence.

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Speaker 6: Is like, if Israel was facilitating the entry of aid

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Speaker 6: in the aid like, it's not for a lack of

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Speaker 6: ports and the trucks that surround Gaza are filled with aid.

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Speaker 11: It's not that there is a lack of aid.

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Speaker 9: Right, it's not a baby formula shortage.

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Speaker 11: There's no shortage.

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Speaker 6: The shortages of a willingness by Israel to allow it

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Speaker 3: They are very.

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Speaker 6: Explicitly tying feeding and treating the population to the ceasefire

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Speaker 6: that is on the table now there explicitly include those provisions.

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Speaker 6: So if this soldier has some indication that that's all

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Speaker 6: they should tell the negotiators that, because there seems to

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Speaker 6: be some confusion among the negotiators who have made it

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Speaker 6: a central part of the ceasefire offer that we will

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Speaker 6: stop starving you to death if you accept these terms.

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Speaker 7: Well, but again, the drop site correspondent is on one

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Speaker 7: of these boats, right, and there's aid on the boats.

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Speaker 11: Yeah he's yeah, there was, there was, he was.

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Speaker 6: I mean, these are not huge boats, so let's not

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Speaker 6: kid ourselves. You know, it would be enough for to

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Speaker 6: help count a couple families, But like, yeah, there he

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Speaker 6: mm hm. And so if some got they wanted them is.

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Speaker 2: To establish a humanitarian corridor. The point is not we

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Speaker 2: have sufficient aid to feed the population. The point is

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Speaker 2: we need a humanitary a reliable humanitarian corridor so that

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Speaker 2: aid can be brought in systematically to feed and provide

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Speaker 2: for a population that is being starved and displaced and bombed,

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Speaker 2: et cetera.

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Speaker 4: So my question for you guys, are you just real quick?

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Speaker 5: Is like, why aren't more I haven't seen any prominent

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Speaker 5: Bernie talk about the flotilla, Like what is the dangers politically?

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Speaker 4: That why so many people are.

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Speaker 5: Gun shy about these, you know activists around the world,

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Speaker 5: a lot of them American, you know, being taken by

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Speaker 4: Why is no one talking about this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I presume the same reason why they're reluctant.

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Speaker 2: You know, across the board, we do have a number

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Speaker 2: of Democrats now who have said it's a genocide. You

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Speaker 2: have the Progressive Caucus that has signed onto the block

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Speaker 2: the Bombs Act, so you have progress in that direction,

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Speaker 2: but you still have this just incredible reluctance. And but

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Speaker 2: you know, it's especially noteworthy Griffin to your point in

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Speaker 2: the face of some European countries actually being pressured into

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Speaker 2: also have some European politicians who are on board were

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Speaker 2: when I believe, you know, like in Italy, isn't there

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Speaker 6: Right right, and the you know, the dock workers shut

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Speaker 6: the street protesting this. In the US, there was you know,

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Speaker 6: you know, that's dozens that most people should be should

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Speaker 6: like people are not out in the streets here, people

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Speaker 6: the political calculation, so Democrats can kind of ignore it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna I was just going to share this,

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Speaker 2: and I wanted to get Ryan's update on this as well.

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Speaker 2: I saw Jeremy tweeting about this poll of Palestinians in

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Speaker 2: Gaza that found only eight percent fully support Trump's plan,

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Speaker 2: eighteen percent rejected, twenty five percent strongly opposed, forty one

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Speaker 2: The New York Times interviewed four Palestinians Agaza ran this headline,

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Speaker 2: many Palestinians say Hamas must accept ceasefire plan, you know,

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Speaker 2: at the same time, of course, like we know the

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Speaker 3: The sense like this just has to end at any cost.

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Speaker 2: And I know that was what you were hearing Ryan

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Speaker 2: from Palestinians as well. So what's your sense of where

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Speaker 2: any of that.

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Speaker 11: Is right, that's the balance.

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Speaker 6: Like pretty much everyone I spoke to had the basically

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Speaker 6: the same take, which is this is this is a rotten,

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Speaker 6: corrupt bargain. But if it's take or leave it, like

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Speaker 6: take it and just and live live another day, that

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Speaker 6: that it has to end, that all this just has

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Speaker 6: to stop.

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Speaker 11: Uh So Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The New York Times framing was a bit like as

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Speaker 6: if people were like excited and grateful for the offer.

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Speaker 6: But I think it's I think it's I think a

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Speaker 6: better way to understand it is just anything that ends

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Speaker 6: the suffering, under any circumstances, on any conditions, any terms,

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Speaker 11: Stop this is that this is torture, Like we're all

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Speaker 3: Is that there?

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Speaker 11: Only approved apps on them.

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Speaker 2: They already have control of their phones, forcing them to

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Speaker 6: And very you know, very strictly control movement and more

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Speaker 9: Someone's going to make a lot of money to them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's going to be a boon for some.

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Speaker 12: They have the word I'm scaring people that it sounds

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Speaker 11: Where do you standle that stuff? Well, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 4: There's so many things that have to be said.

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Speaker 12: And what I've learned is if you don't say all

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Speaker 9: He thinks that's so profound.

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Speaker 12: There are unspeakable horrors taking place in Gaza. I know

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Speaker 12: Mean this goes back to forty seven, and it goes

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Speaker 4: That's exactly my point.

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Speaker 12: The moment you say anything, but the moment I talk

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Speaker 12: you're not talking about the history of the Nakba and

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Speaker 12: there is nothing intrinsically anti Semitic about speaking up for

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Speaker 4: So what are we to make of that, folks?

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Speaker 2: I mean, he got fillaid for going on with the

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Speaker 2: And clearly he learned nothing from that, because however long

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Speaker 3: He's like, you know, I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: Why when I say babies are baked in the oven,

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Speaker 6: Unbelievable, Yeah, and talking about like flaying people and babies

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Speaker 11: Instead of Obama on this exactly.

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Speaker 6: Like exactly, but instead of answering a question, you you

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Speaker 7: It's that answer was not the answer of a politician

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Speaker 2: You know the crazy thing to me is, back in

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Speaker 9: It's one of my favorite polls.

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Speaker 4: And Emily, what about MTG.

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Speaker 5: Look at MTG out here, She's got like some of

445
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Speaker 5: the most like small dollar contributors, Like is she is

446
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Speaker 5: she more in touch with her base than the rest

447
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Speaker 5: of the party And is she like on this issue alone,

448
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Speaker 5: like is this catapulting her to some new eschelon?

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Speaker 7: I mean it always depends with Republicans because there's a

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Speaker 7: ton of daylight between people who say like, oh, wrap

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Speaker 7: up the war, but are still like ardently supportive of

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Speaker 7: Netanyahu in Israel. So it's always hard to know what

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Speaker 7: it means when a Republican says at this point to

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Speaker 7: a Polster that they support Israel or not. But she's

455
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Speaker 7: definitely more in touch with the millennial gen Z Republican voter,

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Speaker 7: that's for sure at this point.

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Speaker 9: So we'll see going forward.

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Speaker 7: Her small dollar donations are something that should also be

459
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Speaker 7: eye opening to Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we shouldn't overstate the amount of the

461
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Speaker 2: Republican shift because still overwhelmingly Republicans are pro Israel right

462
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Speaker 2: and see the world more through like there are ally

463
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Speaker 2: and you know, they're more like us or whatever the

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Speaker 2: worldview is. I can't even really wrap my head around

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Speaker 2: it at this point. So most of the shift boomer

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Speaker 2: Republicans are still right where they've always been, lockstep Israel

467
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Speaker 2: by and large, on board with you know, what Trump

468
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Speaker 2: is doing and the everything for Netanyahu's strategy. They're totally there.

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Speaker 2: It's really just among young Republicans that you begin to

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Speaker 2: see a split. But that's you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think feel like Israel is kind of freaking out about that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's a big part of the reason

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Speaker 2: why they're taking over TikTok and installing Barry Weiss as

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Speaker 2: editor in chief of CBS.

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Speaker 3: Like, I can't even you.

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Speaker 2: Know, if you Tons, yes, you told me some of

477
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Speaker 2: these things that would be reality now, like Tony Blair

478
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Speaker 2: is going to take over Gaza and Barry Weiss is

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Speaker 2: going to be editor in chief of CBS, I would

480
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Speaker 2: be like, I mean you just like I literally could

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Speaker 2: not have made it up. I could not have made

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Speaker 2: it up in.

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Speaker 5: My mind, all of those those young viewers at CBS News,

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Speaker 5: the young demographic.

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Speaker 9: It was a great birthday gift to you, though, Griffin.

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Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 5: I'm happy for our colleagues, our sister podcast and their success.

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Speaker 9: You're mostly happy for your friend, Olivia Rean Gold. We

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Speaker 9: all know that's what it is.

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Speaker 5: I like content creators. So why don't we move on

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Speaker 5: to Ice. We've got some horrible news stories over the weekend,

492
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Speaker 5: and this one really struck Crystal that she wanted to share.

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Speaker 5: This was happening in Chicago, I believe where their use

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Speaker 5: of black Hawk helicopters was used.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to a little bit from the

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Speaker 4: local news.

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Speaker 13: She says they took everyone and then ask questions later.

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Speaker 13: It just treated us like we would nothing Particia Fisher

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Speaker 13: said she came out to the hallway of her apartment

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Speaker 13: complex on the corner of seventy fifth and South Shore

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Speaker 13: Drive in her nightgown around ten Monday night, only to

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Speaker 13: find Ice agents yelling police. It was scary because I've

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Speaker 13: never had a gun put in my face. They asked

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Speaker 13: my name and my day of birth and asked me

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Speaker 13: did I have any worse and I told him no,

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Speaker 13: I did it.

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Speaker 9: She said.

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Speaker 13: She was then handcuffed and released around three am. Fisher

509
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Speaker 13: said she was told if anyone had any kind of

510
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Speaker 13: worn out for them, even if it was unrelated to immigration,

511
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Speaker 13: they would not be released. Sinsinnapt video shows the chaotic

512
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Speaker 13: scene overnight. Neighbors tell us there were dozens of Ice agents.

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Speaker 13: Neighbors like Ebanie Watson, says they ducked for cover as

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Speaker 13: they heard several flash bangs go off.

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Speaker 9: They was terrified. The kids were crying, people were screaming.

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Speaker 9: They looked very destroyted.

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Speaker 13: I was out there crying when I seen the little

518
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Speaker 13: girl come around the corner because they was bringing the

519
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Speaker 13: kids down to had them dipside to each other. That's all.

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Speaker 4: I kept asking, where's the morality, where's the human Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so it keeps going on.

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Speaker 5: But there's more reports also of like, yeah, them dragging

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Speaker 5: children out into out of their homes. Some of the

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Speaker 5: children were naked, apparently sip tied, and so yeah, what

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Speaker 5: are we what are we to make of this? Especially

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Speaker 5: after Trump has meme war declaration of Chicago. I think

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Speaker 5: a week or two ago is when he posted that

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Speaker 5: meme of nay palaming Chicago.

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Speaker 4: So I guess he's following up on his promises here.

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Speaker 7: Well, he also promised in that Quantico speech this week

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Speaker 7: to use these cities as training grounds.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, explicitly talking about unleashing the military with all

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Speaker 2: of the top generals assembled there against the enemy within.

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Speaker 2: And like these ladies that you just saw there on

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Speaker 2: the street, who are American citizens who did nothing wrong?

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Speaker 2: That is apparently what he means. I mean, I just

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Speaker 2: I know that there's a lot that shocking in the world.

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Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of shock in the country.

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Speaker 2: I really want people to sit with what happened here. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they used black Hawk helicopters in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: night to repel into an apartment building. They pulled everyone out,

542
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Speaker 2: broke down the doors, destroyed their belongings. There were no warrants. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Little kids who were sleeping naked or in their underwear,

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Speaker 2: pulled out, crying, zip tied together and thrown into U

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Speaker 2: haul vans. Little American kids. Okay, it wouldn't be okay

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Speaker 2: if it's immigrants, by the way, but I know this

547
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Speaker 2: is like an important distinction for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Other people, grown ups, adults, seniors, dragged and did nothing wrong,

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Speaker 2: middle of the night again, unclothed, zip tied together, thrown

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Speaker 2: and detained for hours, for hours, no ability to make

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Speaker 2: a phone call, no lawyer, no warrant, nothing like. These

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Speaker 2: are criminal acts. These are criminal acts being committed by

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Speaker 2: the DHS. They have decided that our rights do not exist,

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Speaker 2: do not matter that through brute force, they can literally

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Speaker 2: do whatever they want to whoever they want. That's what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about here. And this isn't the only instance.

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Speaker 2: New York Times had a report on a number of

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Speaker 2: American citizens who'd been swept up by ice. You know,

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Speaker 2: one man, he was trying to get to his work site.

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Speaker 2: American citizen veteran, Army veteran by the way, had his

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Speaker 2: windshields smashed in by ice. They shot pepper spray in

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Speaker 2: his face, and they pulled him out, arrested him and

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Speaker 2: held him for three days, no call, no lawyer, nothing.

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Speaker 2: They think they can do whatever they want. And that's

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Speaker 2: what I want people to really understand. Okay, this is

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Speaker 2: about immigration, but it's also not about immigration. This is

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Speaker 2: about a regime that thinks they can literally act with

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Speaker 2: impunity because they have the power and they have the guns.

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Speaker 2: Some of these these democratic mayors and governors, like law

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Speaker 2: enforcement needs to protect these citizens. They are being abused,

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Speaker 2: they're being assaulted, they're having their rights violated, they're having

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Speaker 2: their possessions destroyed. This apartment complex may not even open

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Speaker 2: up again, they may be completely displaced.

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Speaker 3: I just I am. I am completely floored.

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Speaker 2: I'm without words, like I it's hard for me to

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Speaker 2: be shocked by what this administration does. At this point,

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Speaker 2: when we were talking about pulling naked kids out of

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Speaker 2: their beds, zip tying them together and drawing them in

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Speaker 2: the back of a U haul van in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the night, how can anyone I don't care if

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Speaker 2: you love Trump or hate Trump or your antiam or whatever.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how anyone.

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Speaker 2: Morally justifies this and feels okay with it and thinks

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Speaker 2: that it doesn't directly implicate your own rights in your

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Speaker 2: own life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: There this the also I think this also implicates the

588
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Speaker 6: rogue nature of ICE like ICE ICE as a ICE

589
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Speaker 6: as a genuinely dangerous agency. People started calling it out

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Speaker 6: around twenty seventeen twenty. It was only created in the

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Speaker 6: wake of nine to eleven, and it produced it had

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Speaker 6: produced this like rogue culture where anything went. I don't

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Speaker 6: know if you remember, in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 6: several members of the squad went down to the border

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Speaker 6: and before that the interception and also Republica like obtained

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Speaker 6: the Facebook chats like the Facebook page, this private Facebook

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Speaker 6: page had like hundreds of not just ICE agents but

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Speaker 6: top officials in ICE, and it was insane like genocidal

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Speaker 6: rhetoric like rape threats, death threats, like the most the

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Speaker 6: most disgusting type of stuff that you can that you

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Speaker 6: can fathom, was being put out onto this massive Facebook

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Speaker 6: group with senior officials at ICE on there and hundreds

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Speaker 6: of agents and absolutely nothing was done about that. And

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Speaker 6: now we have an entire rogue government. So it's not

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Speaker 6: fair to call Ice rogue anymore. ICE's Ice. Ice is

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Speaker 6: now aligned with this administration and is being told all

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Speaker 6: of those impulses that you've had all of these years,

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Speaker 6: those are good, feed them, go for it.

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Speaker 11: We've got your back.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, Crystal's point that it shouldn't be done to anybody,

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Speaker 6: but it's of course it's not going to stop it.

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Speaker 11: So called illegal immigrants, So.

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Speaker 7: There's absolutely no excuse. I mean, they have helicopters in Elgin.

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Speaker 7: If you know the area. Elgin is a suburb of Chicago,

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Speaker 7: like a sleepy suburb of Chicago, and I'm sure there

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Speaker 7: are a lot of Venezuelan migrants who have, in the

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Speaker 7: case in Chicago, the Chicago raid that we were talking

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Speaker 7: about earlier, lived in the apartment buildings. They brought a helicopter,

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Speaker 7: military vehicles and Christine Nome into into Algin. And sometimes

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Speaker 7: people when I say that this is a LARP, act like,

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Speaker 7: I think that's not serious. It's it's actually like it's

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Speaker 7: calling something a larp, like a fascist larp. I think

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Speaker 7: that's extremely serious, and I think that's what they're doing there.

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Speaker 7: If you go to the DHS Twitter, it obviously goes

625
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Speaker 7: beyond a larp when you're actually detaining people. But I'm

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Speaker 7: using that to say that they are doing this performatively.

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Speaker 7: They are detaining US citizens for the performance value that

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Speaker 7: they see in this like like theater of Blackhawk helicopters

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Speaker 7: or helicopters at all in suburban Chicago with christ Nome

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Speaker 7: and the photo ops. Remember this is again Homeland Security,

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Speaker 7: where Christy Nome is doing.

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Speaker 9: All of the photo ops.

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Speaker 7: Like their their position on the performance is that it's

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Speaker 7: like just as much of a part of the game,

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Speaker 7: and so that's where they're really leaning into it. And

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Speaker 7: it's abhorrent. I mean, it's just it's it's so unseerious.

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Speaker 7: And I say that coming from a different place than

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Speaker 7: you guys, which is there are really serious.

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Speaker 9: I think they are like extremely serious.

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Speaker 7: Operations that need to happen because there actually are people

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Speaker 7: who came who are criminals, and in fairly big numbers

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Speaker 7: during the case of the Biden administration, that are actually

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Speaker 7: endangering US citizens. There are people who are are here

644
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Speaker 7: who need to go through the legal processing system because

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Speaker 7: they have their US citizens and wages are on the line,

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Speaker 7: and I know I disagree with you guys on that point,

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Speaker 7: but like I think, I believe in the process, and

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Speaker 7: I believe that the Biden administration left the Trump administration

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Speaker 7: in a position where the American people wanted to see

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Speaker 7: the process.

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Speaker 9: But that's from my perspective.

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Speaker 7: This is like even more horrifying because of that, because

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Speaker 7: it is so unseerious and if you go to their

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Speaker 7: social media, they are posting the most like just the

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Speaker 7: dumbest stuff on the DA Twitter feed and I'm sure

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Speaker 7: it's like that on Instagram too, And so I just

657
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Speaker 7: feel like they're sacrificing something that's really serious for alarp

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Speaker 7: and be endangering like people's rights.

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Speaker 9: And it's not impossible.

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Speaker 7: That some of these guys end up actually like incarcerated

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Speaker 7: down the line.

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Speaker 3: They need to be.

663
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Speaker 2: I mean, they genuinely like these are criminal acts. And

664
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Speaker 2: you can go and you can watch. In California, Ice

665
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: stormed a car wash and again they've been green light

666
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: by the Supreme Court to just racially profile. By the way,

667
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: stormed a car wash and seventy nine year old American

668
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 2: business owner comes out to try to say, Hey, I

669
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: have paperwork for these workers, like what's going on. They

670
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: throw seventy nine year old American business owner, throw him

671
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: to the ground, jump on him, break his ribs, give

672
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: him a head trauma, head injury, ends up in the hospital.

673
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 3: He is now suing them.

674
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Speaker 2: You can watch this on video right, And this is

675
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,479
Speaker 2: the part, like you know, I just told you about

676
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: the guy American veteran in a car, like there are

677
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: so many Americans who are caught I don't even want

678
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: to say caught up in this, who are being targeted

679
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: by their own government. That is vastly more terrifying than

680
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: some Venezuelan migrants living in your apartment building. Go ask

681
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: those ladies, I mean, one of those ladies who they're

682
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: at the end of the clip that we showed. She

683
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: was saying, I kept asking them, where's your morality?

684
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: What are you doing? These are kids?

685
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: And they said. One of the Ice agents said, and

686
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 2: I quote, fuck them kids. That was their view, Fuck

687
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: them kids, these are whether they're immigrants or Americans, and

688
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: this was mostly Americans in this apartment complex, that's their view.

689
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: That is profoundly more dangerous than any you know, potential

690
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: like Trendo Arragua member.

691
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: When you're government that.

692
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: Has the full force and power of the state is

693
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: acting with complete and total impunity. That is a vastly

694
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Speaker 2: greater danger than anything that we have seen in terms

695
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: of undocumented immigrants coming into this country. And this is

696
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: the part that I feel like no one ever grappled

697
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: with or talked about. When you know, they were at

698
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: the RNC with the mass deportation now signs and everyone's

699
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: shearing this and the vibe shift blah blah blah, especially

700
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: for there was a contingent of libertarians. And you know,

701
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 2: I like Dave Smith, but he's he's emblematic of this

702
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: type who embrace this sort of thing. And it's like,

703
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: in order to separate undocumented immigrant from citizen, it requires

704
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: a massive police state apparatus.

705
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 3: That is what necessitated.

706
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 2: Like that is what is necessitated by this mass deportation strategy.

707
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: And by the.

708
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: Way, if you care about you know, if you care

709
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: about going after the criminals, getting criminals down, et cetera,

710
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: they're doing a piss poor job at that. Drug trafficking

711
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: convictions are way down because.

712
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Speaker 9: The public not focused on that.

713
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: Public too, they want to be raiding a random apartment building,

714
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: they want to be raiding the home deep of this

715
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: is explicitly what Steven Miller has said. So it's the

716
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: polar opposite of going after the violent criminals. The majority

717
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: of the people who are now in ice custody for

718
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 2: the first time have no criminal conviction whatsoever, are not indicted,

719
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: They're not like these are just people who cross the

720
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: border illegally, which is a civil infraction, and are being

721
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: treated like they're you know, serial killers. It's insane. And

722
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: so it should be surprising to no one the way

723
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 2: that this, this stripping of rights from immigrants, any rights,

724
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: the ones that they're entitled to, stripping of all rights

725
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: from immigrants, was going to bleed over into American citizens.

726
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: And we're seeing that expansion over and over and over again.

727
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Speaker 2: And I'm just I don't know, I'm horrified. I'm absolutely

728
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: horrified by what we're seeing happening here in our country

729
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: with so little pushback from the so called opposition Party.

730
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Speaker 4: Two.

731
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Speaker 6: And and also, the Chicago's Mexican American population is like

732
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 6: well over like one hundred years old. Like this is

733
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Speaker 6: that it is a fab it is a part of

734
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Speaker 6: the fabric of Chicago culture and society, you know, the

735
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Speaker 6: Mexican Revolution. And then we the you know, the the

736
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 6: need for factory jobs, factory workers in World War One

737
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Speaker 6: really you know, drove this massive pull of Mexicans who

738
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Speaker 6: moved up to the Chicago area, which is roughly the

739
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 6: same time that Stephen Miller's family got here. Like they

740
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Speaker 6: like Stephen Miller's family and a lot of these Chicanos,

741
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 6: you know, have have equal amounts of claim when it

742
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 6: comes to the duration of the time that they've spent

743
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 6: here in the United States. So like pretending that you

744
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 6: can you know, take heritage. Yeah, and the exactly and the.

745
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Speaker 9: He's the Chicago area, Latino, that's right.

746
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Supreme Court like believing the Supreme Court legalized

747
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 6: like this like skin color test that you know from

748
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 6: like maybe put the put the little paint stick up,

749
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 6: find somebody's face, and the darker they are, the more right.

750
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Speaker 6: Ice has then to like you know, smash their face

751
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Speaker 6: into the end of the sidewalk. But it actually belies

752
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 6: the the real history of Chicago. And I was talking

753
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 6: to some people from Chicago last night. They were saying,

754
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 6: it's like a ghost town in huge parts of the city.

755
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 6: People just scared, like in their own country, scared to

756
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Speaker 6: go out.

757
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Speaker 9: Nice shot and.

758
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Speaker 2: Killed a guy in around Chicago, and then they lied

759
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: about about it. You know, they claimed he use a criminal,

760
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: They claimed that they were you know, severely injured.

761
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Speaker 3: Whatever.

762
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: Video came out and it was complete and total lie.

763
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: Like this guy had no was not a criminal, no

764
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: criminal record whatsoever, and they ended up killing him. Like

765
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: that's that is the level of impunity that we're talking

766
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: about here. And I don't know, I just feel like

767
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: if they're they keep they're just allowed to get away

768
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: with you. We all watched that woman outside the courtroom

769
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: in New York who was upset because her husband was

770
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: being arrested to be deported. She's there with her two

771
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: little kids. This thug takes her, grabs her by the hair,

772
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: throws her on the ground again, all recorded. We all

773
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: can see it. And she ends up in the hospital

774
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: with a head injury. And the guy, if initially I says, oh,

775
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: this was unacceptable behavior. Week later he's back on the job.

776
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: Not even a week later, he's back on the job.

777
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: What do you think these new recruits who are coming in.

778
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: The big beautiful Bill has makes ICE the largest law

779
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: enforcement agency in history. What do you these new recruits

780
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: who are coming in, who were looking at this, what

781
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: do you think that their attitude is going to be like, Like,

782
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: if you're signed, if you're seeing those videos, if you're

783
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 2: seeing seven nine year old business owner having his ribs broken,

784
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: if you're seeing the man who was shot to death

785
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: on the side of the road, if you're seeing this

786
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: lady who gets thrown to the like, and you're like, yes,

787
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: that's me.

788
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: I want to be part of that. This is only

789
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: going to get worse.

790
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 7: Well, I also just want to emphasize this makes everybody

791
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 7: less safe because once again, yes, I think the Trump

792
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 7: administration has this idea, there's a public mandate to do

793
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 7: quote mass deportations, which everybody is going to define differently. Seriously,

794
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 7: there is no consensus number for what a mass deportation

795
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 7: would look like or what it should look like. And

796
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 7: there have already been backlashes in the public. You see

797
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 7: Rogan and others who have moved away from what the

798
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 7: quote mass deportation administration looks like.

799
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Speaker 9: But they're losing.

800
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Speaker 7: I mean, this is going to jeopardize an enormous amount

801
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Speaker 7: of public support for the project of actually ridding the

802
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 7: country of violent criminals. And there are some violent, violent

803
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 7: criminals here and so everybody is less safe because the

804
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 7: Trump administration right now is choosing to prioritize this theater.

805
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 7: And I don't mean that again like it goes beyond theater,

806
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 7: because it's actually happening, of course, But I'm saying they're

807
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 7: a huge part of their animus for doing it the

808
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 7: way that they're doing it is it's not just about

809
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 7: disincentivizing people that continue coming into the country and getting

810
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 7: people to self deport It's not just about that.

811
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 9: It's the show of force that.

812
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 7: You know, the the people inside the administration are loving.

813
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 7: And again you can tell this from their social media.

814
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 7: It feels like this this culture or backlash to the

815
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 7: Biden era. You see this with the Pete Hagseth speech

816
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 7: this week. It's this idea of putting on a show

817
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 7: of fighting back against like the culture of weakness and

818
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 7: anti Americanism and all of that. And if it leads to,

819
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 7: as it is in this case, militarization of suburbs like Elgin,

820
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 7: the public is going to rightfully start pushing back and

821
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 7: then you going to lose any scrap of public support

822
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 7: for what people did say they wanted to see at

823
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 7: some point. Now again, what that looked like nobody had.

824
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 7: Some people might have been comfortable with a small number

825
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 7: of quote mass deportations compared to what the Biden administration

826
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 7: was doing, but that's all going to be gone for

827
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 7: the Trump administration the more that this continues. And again,

828
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 7: this is like, rightfully, so, these are US citizens and

829
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 7: you are incompetently like acting a fool because you want

830
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 7: to play dress up and use the black Hawk helicopterism

831
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 7: because the president is saying we should use these cities

832
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 7: as a training ground for the military.

833
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 9: That is not American and it is not conservative.

834
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Speaker 2: And mean because Steven Miller is a sadistic freak and

835
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 2: he runs the government. I mean, that's whose policy this

836
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: is like. And there, I mean, this is the thing

837
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 2: that is so I don't know, I don't even know

838
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: the words at this point, but it's so terrifying to

839
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: grapple with because they can't be so stupid as to

840
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: think this stuff is popular. It's not right you.

841
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 9: Oh no, I actually think they do. I seriously think

842
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 9: that they do.

843
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: It seems to me like they genuinely don't care what

844
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: the election results are, like they will you know. The

845
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 2: level of overreach is so insane that it just seems

846
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 2: like they have thrown electoral politics to the side, and

847
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, okay, well what does that mean. You

848
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: don't think that there's ever going to be any sort

849
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 2: of electoral repercussions to the acts that you're taking here.

850
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: You know, they're so proud of like, oh, Trump was

851
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: able to win over some significant amount of Latinos and

852
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 2: even there were some number of black voters who came

853
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: back to him like that is that is all gone? Right?

854
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: The young people that voted for that is all gone?

855
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: And yet they continue in this completely unhinged fascist takeover.

856
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 2: And so that's what makes me ask like, okay, well

857
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: what is the plan then, because clearly they don't think

858
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: there's ever going to be any potential of electoral consequences.

859
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,919
Speaker 2: They're going for the whole thing right now. They're going

860
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 2: for the whole enchilada. That's what NSPM seven, by the way,

861
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: that Ken Klippenstein has been reporting on is about, We're

862
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: going to make sure we don't even have a political opposition,

863
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: like they don't even exist, which Democrats are doing a

864
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: good job of basically like making reality.

865
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Speaker 3: All on their own.

866
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Speaker 2: They are taking a little bit of a stand this

867
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: week so we'll give them a little bit of credit

868
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: for that. But you know, Trump made that comment in

869
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: that speech as well. He's like, I thought there'd be pushback.

870
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: I thought we'd have a fight. There's no fight. They're

871
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: going for the whole thing. And so acts like this.

872
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: It's not just about immigration. This is a demonstration of force.

873
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: This is a demonstration to the public, citizen non citizen alike,

874
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: we can do whatever we want to you. You better

875
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: stay in line, you better pray, you better be on

876
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: our good side, because that is the only thing that

877
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: we'll protect you. These that you imagine you have, they

878
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: don't exist. Look at the Supreme Court. They give us

879
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: everything we want at every turn. The only thing that

880
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: they stood up against was like, I guess we're going

881
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: to keep the FED in place.

882
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 4: That's it.

883
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: That was their line. They're other than that. On the

884
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: shadow docket, Trump has gotten his way. So yeah, greenlit

885
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: the racial profile, all of this, the recisions, all of it. Yes,

886
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: your rights don't matter here anymore. And that's what these

887
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: that's what these overt acts, rogue, lawless criminal acts, assaults,

888
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: bring naked children out in the street and stuffing them

889
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: in U haul vans, killing someone on the shide of

890
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: the street and lying about it, throwing business owner that

891
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: that's what they are meant to convey. We can do

892
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: whatever we want to you, whenever you want, so you

893
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: better shut up and sit down and get in line.

894
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 5: So we got PR problems with this, and we've got

895
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 5: other PR problems happening in the Trump administration, which I

896
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 5: think will move us nicely to a little bit of

897
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 5: Epstein news that Emily shared with none of the than

898
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 5: Howard Lutnik kind of stepping into the ring here.

899
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 7: So Howard Lutnik went on, uh, the Miranda Divine New

900
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 7: York Post podcast, which gets a lot of dishy stuff

901
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 7: because Miranda like knows these guys pretty well and was

902
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 7: able to, you know, pull some of these thoughts out

903
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 7: of them. And this is like sneakily one of the

904
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 7: most candid things that Trump administration official has said since

905
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 7: the entire Bindergate Bondi fiasco of especially earlier in the summer.

906
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 7: I think Lutnik was just comfortable in a conversation with

907
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 7: Miranda Divine and said this, Griffin's about to play the

908
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 7: clip about what he thinks on Jeffrey Epstein, having known.

909
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 14: Him the guy's gross, right with my wife and the

910
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 14: guy's gross. This was not the deep nuance of Howard Lutnik.

911
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 9: This guy's gross, right, So how come Bill Gates and

912
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 9: all these other people could hang around him and not

913
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 9: see what you saw? Or did they see it and

914
00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 9: ignore it or no?

915
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 14: They participated, right, That's what his mo was, you know,

916
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 14: get a massage, Get a massage. And what happened in

917
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 14: that massage room I assume was on video. This guy

918
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 14: was the greatest blackmailer ever, blackmailed people. That's how we

919
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 14: had money.

920
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 4: Interesting, so he assumed some of it's on video.

921
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 7: Book and Ryan, you can speak more to those. But

922
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 7: Howard Lutnick was firmly ensconced in the world of New

923
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 7: York finance, exactly in the type of position of somebody

924
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 7: who would have been for years.

925
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: Didn he literally live next to Epstein? Am I right

926
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: about that?

927
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 9: I don't remember that, let me look it up.

928
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 7: But he's the person who would be like in a

929
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Speaker 7: position to know, yes, and so like he's hearing this

930
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 7: for years and years, and there you have him just

931
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 7: breezily saying like, yeah, he was pulling guys in to

932
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 7: have massages.

933
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Speaker 9: And I'm sure they're all on video.

934
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Speaker 7: This is the Commerce Secretary, This is the Commerce Secretary

935
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 7: and his own boss, the President of the United States

936
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 7: wrote a the very most the most terrible to put it, like,

937
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 7: what's even the what is even the word like cheeky

938
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 7: birthday letter to a guy who the Commerce Secretary again

939
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 7: is saying, yeah everyone like he's saying it so breezily.

940
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Speaker 7: As The implication is, everyone knows that he was pulling

941
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Speaker 7: guys in they get massages in his townhouse and he

942
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Speaker 7: was gross.

943
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 9: They knew it, and they.

944
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Speaker 7: Did it anyway, that implicates the president.

945
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 11: They didn't do it anyway, They did it because of that.

946
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, I did shock.

947
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Speaker 2: He did live next door to Epstein in Upper east Side,

948
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: that Upper east Side mansion. Lutnik was the next door neighbor.

949
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Speaker 9: Park Avenue is Yeah.

950
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

951
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 6: He was the founder of Camp or at least the

952
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 6: CEO of Canter Fitzgerald, you know, absolutely massive financial service

953
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Speaker 6: firm that was at the top of the World Trade Center.

954
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 6: So yeah, he's he's right in that in that social circle. Yeah,

955
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 6: what he's saying is that it's it's not that people

956
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 6: saw what he was doing and hung out with Epstein. Anyway,

957
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 6: despite that they were hanging around him because of that.

958
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 6: Mm hmm, like that was the draw for people. He

959
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 6: was not like brow but you know, it was not

960
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 6: twisting their arms to get these massages. And then, like

961
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 6: Nottinick says, he believes that they were getting filmed at

962
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 6: that point. It doesn't matter if they were getting filmed

963
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 6: or not. Like if you're one of these guys, like

964
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 6: a gates for somebody who's in that room. And then,

965
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 6: as Latinix says, whatever happens happens, and you're not sure

966
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 6: if it's if the cameras are on, you now are

967
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 6: under the thumb of Epstein because because maybe he's got film,

968
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 6: maybe doesn't.

969
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 11: He probably does. You don't want to find out the

970
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 11: hard way. So then he's got you. But as you know, as.

971
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 6: It's as also the case, you he barely needed blackmail

972
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 6: over these people like he was. He had, he had

973
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 6: money and power and connections then and people wanted to

974
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 6: be part of that. Yeah, And so I look like

975
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 6: that mail's like almost a little extra, little all carte

976
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 6: item that he could bring.

977
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: I feel like that really comes out in some of

978
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 2: the correspondents that was revealed between JP Morgan executives who

979
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: were like debating whether to keep him on. And you know,

980
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: there were several in particular who tended to be his advocate,

981
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: but one specifically who had been to the island. And

982
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: there's this grotesque email exchange between that dude and Epstein

983
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: talking about like, oh, I had a great time with

984
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 2: whatever Disney persnow white I think it was. And he says, oh, well,

985
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: who would you like next? And he said, I think

986
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, Beauty and the Beast or something like that.

987
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: I mean, seems clear what is being referenced there, And

988
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: so you know you've got it working. All that was

989
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 2: so Epstein is bringing in money to JP. Morgan's bringing

990
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: deals he's able to bring in. He facilitates a meeting

991
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: with nan Ya, who facilitates a meeting with Elon Musk,

992
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: bringing in all these big players. Build Gates, I think,

993
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: is one of the people that he brought in as

994
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: well as trying to set.

995
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 3: Up something with them. So he's making them money. Number one.

996
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: Number two, this dude is like enjoying the time on

997
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: the island. He's having a grand old time and doing

998
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: whatever's happening there, and so he's benefiting monetarily he's benefiting sexually,

999
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: he's benefiting in terms of like his lifestyle. And then

1000
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: also he knows that if this guy ever wants to

1001
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: pull the pin on me, he can do it. So

1002
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 2: he's also under his thumb that way. And it seems

1003
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: pretty clear like that Lutnix general assessment is correct, that

1004
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: you know, these guys were getting benefits, and they knew

1005
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: that there would be a cost to just like distancing

1006
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: themselves from Epstein, from certainly being a whistleblower in regard

1007
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: to Epstein, So they just decided to enjoy the perks

1008
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: instead of doing the correct and obvious moral thing.

1009
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 5: And to Emily's point, it must be a good interviewer,

1010
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 5: because like Lutnick, why are you bringing Epstein up right now?

1011
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 5: We just had the Charlie Kirk memorial.

1012
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: Like people were kind too, but like, you know, the Epstein,

1013
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 4: Like it's been a long September. But September started with

1014
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 4: the drawing, the trump drawing of the premature woman in

1015
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 4: the Jeffrey Epstein book, and then the Charlie Kirk assassination happened,

1016
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 4: and largely the conversation was over about the Epstein book

1017
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But nope, let's refresh, let's bring

1018
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 4: I mean, that's.

1019
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 7: The danger of sitting down with Marnda Devine, who is

1020
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 7: like just friendly with a lot of these guys and

1021
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 7: is also like very curious about deep state issues. So

1022
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 7: it's it's she's in one of those rare positions where

1023
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 7: she can pull some of that extract some of that

1024
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 7: information very casually out of guys like Howard Lutnik. I mean,

1025
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 7: Lutnik is, like Ryan said, it's it's not surprising that

1026
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 7: stumbled into this little disclosure, but that is a good reminder.

1027
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 7: There were video tapes confiscated from Palm Beach, videotapes confiscated

1028
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 7: from the Manhattan townhouse. We do not know anything about

1029
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 7: what the government knows from the surveillance network from the

1030
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 7: houses that was apparently uncovered. All of the guys, like Lutinx,

1031
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 7: seemed to believe that there were hidden cameras. We saw

1032
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 7: the pictures of The New York Times released of cameras

1033
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 7: in the bedroom. There's very clear evidence Epstein was just

1034
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 7: aggressively recording what happened in his homes in black using

1035
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 7: that as blackmail. And we know that the government has

1036
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 7: unreleased information that would help us understand that better because

1037
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 7: we know some of these records were seized from the houses,

1038
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 7: So that is a giant I mean, continues to be

1039
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 7: one of the biggest unanswered questions that the government seems

1040
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 7: to have zero interest whatsoever in ever coming up with

1041
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 7: a response to.

1042
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, we should probably talk a little bit about

1043
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 2: the fact that there was supposed to be a jobs

1044
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 2: report this morning and there's no jobs report this morning.

1045
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: And I think we've got some Joni Earnst Soybean updates

1046
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 2: as well. But I mean, this is a huge story.

1047
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: This is something that in a more normal time, this

1048
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: would be red alert, you know, breaking news. Everyone be

1049
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: freaking out and losing their minds. And I'm sure there

1050
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 2: are plenty on Wall Street who's still freaking out and

1051
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: you know, losing their minds. But this is supposed to

1052
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: be jobs report Friday. Every Friday of the month you

1053
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: get the government bls jobs report. Everybody waits to see

1054
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: what those numbers are. They're highly they're the most i

1055
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: would say anticipated numbers that come out of the government,

1056
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: and this week we're just not getting them.

1057
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 7: Now.

1058
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 2: That is partly because of government shutdown. It's partly because

1059
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: Trump fired the previous BLS commissioner because he didn't like

1060
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 2: the numbers he was getting. It's partly because the dude

1061
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 2: that they picked to be swapped in for BLS commissioner

1062
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: was like a total incompetent crank that even some on

1063
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: the right were like, this guy can't possibly do the job,

1064
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: and they pulled his nomination and so now we're just

1065
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: like flying blind on the economy. This comes on the

1066
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: heels of a different privately compiled jobs report from ADP

1067
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: that was negative and that also had a downward adjustment

1068
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: for the prior month. So things not looking so great

1069
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: in terms of where we are economically at this point.

1070
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 5: Yes, unforse that clip and more on the second half

1071
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 5: of the show, where we'll get into that and more

1072
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 5: subjects like the re Odd Comedy Festival, and we'll be

1073
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 5: answering some of your AMA questions from the Breaking Points

1074
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 5: premium members. If you want to sign up watch the

1075
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: second half of the show uh Breakingpoints dot com and

1076
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 5: we'll see you all on the other half.

1077
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 9: One more part of that tease, Crystal will be live

1078
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 9: alone on the streets.

1079
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 7: Of Baltimore for right Tommy coming to us live from Baltimore.

1080
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be supposed to be at night, so

1081
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to hang out there all day.

1082
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 3: That's fine. I like Baltimore.

1083
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 4: Bad Bunny on a boom box.

1084
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: As well, great American artists, you know, you.

1085
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 4: Know, folks, if you don't know what we're talking about.

1086
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 5: Right now, there's an incredible Tommy Lauren takes down Crystal

1087
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 5: Ball Lar.

1088
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 4: Sorry, it's been so long.

1089
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 5: So if you want to see Crystal Ball get absolutely humiliated, own, wrecked, destroyed,

1090
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 5: uh and see her liberal tears, you can check out

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Speaker 5: that interview.

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Speaker 4: But also.

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Speaker 11: Corey Corey Bush is running for Congress against Wesley Bell,

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Speaker 11: so maybe we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 6: She was already I think it was already now this morning.

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Speaker 6: Oh cool, it was nice, it was it was expected.

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Speaker 6: But she's now officially in.

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Speaker 5: Let's go so much to happen and talk about on

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Speaker 5: the second half of the show, and we'll see you

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Speaker 5: all there in just a moment.