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Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg DAYBAQ podcast. Good morning, It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the third of December. I'm Caroline Hepga in London.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today. The Kremlin

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Speaker 1: makes positive noises following Russia US talks, but stops short

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Speaker 1: of backing a peace plan for Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Open AI CEO Sam Altman declares a code read as

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Speaker 2: the firm scrambles to improve chat GPT with rivals snapping

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Speaker 2: at its heels, plus.

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Speaker 1: A truck's worth every second. Why global plastic pollution is

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Speaker 1: forecast to hit two hundred and eighty million tons a

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Speaker 1: year by twenty forty.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories.

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Speaker 1: Talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and US Envoy Steve

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Speaker 1: Whitcoff on a plan to end Russia's war in Ukraine

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Speaker 1: concluded after nearly five hours without a deal. According to

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Speaker 1: the Kremlin, Putin held very useful talks, but a compromise

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Speaker 1: hasn't been reached yet on the critical issue of territorial control.

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Speaker 1: The former US Ambassador to Ukraine, Steve Pifer, says the

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Speaker 1: Russians and Ukrainians remain far apart, and he believes Putin

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Speaker 3: What the Krewmen hopes is that they can somehow continue

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Speaker 3: to string President Trump along and get him to sort

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Speaker 3: of back away and not continue the kind of support

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Speaker 3: three and a half years, whereas Europe has made clear

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Speaker 3: that it is prepared to continue that support.

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Speaker 1: Steve Pifer, and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution,

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Speaker 1: was speaking after Vladimir Putin earlier accused European leaders of

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Speaker 1: sabotaging peace efforts with unacceptable changes to proposals originally drawn

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Speaker 2: The European Union has reached a deal to phase out

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Speaker 2: Russian gas a year earlier than originally planned. Negotiators representing

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Speaker 2: members States, the European Parliament, and the European Commission agreed

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Speaker 2: a deal in the early hours of this morning to

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Speaker 2: gradually prohibit liquified natural gas imports from Moscow by the

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Speaker 2: end of twenty twenty six. That's in addition to a

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Speaker 2: It means the BLOCK can finally end its energy reliance

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Speaker 1: NG Francis President Emmanuel macrom is preparing for togs with

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Speaker 1: the President cheating paying as part of a three day

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Speaker 1: visit to China. Beijing wants support from France, a fellow

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Speaker 4: Macron's priority is to address global trade tensions and press

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Speaker 4: she to use his influence on Putin to end the

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Speaker 4: war in Ukraine. Kirs Starmer's team will be watching closely

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Speaker 4: as the UK Prime Minister prepares for a visit next month.

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Speaker 4: It comes as China condemned the UK's decision to once

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Speaker 4: again delay plans for a Chinese super embassy in London,

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Speaker 4: an ongoing saga in Westminster in London.

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Speaker 1: Freddie Fulston Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 2: Now a tax holiday on newly listed UK shares is

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Speaker 2: set to spark a revival of London's IPO market. So

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Speaker 2: that's according to a top banker who says that plans

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Speaker 2: zero point five percent stamp duty for three years has

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Speaker 2: resonated well. Anthony Goodman, co CEO at Goldman Sachs International,

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Speaker 2: the move will create a more level playing field than

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Speaker 2: other markets.

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Speaker 1: Open A CEO Sam Altman has declared a code red

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Speaker 1: situation has more rivals to chachipt emerge. Bloomberg understands the

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Speaker 1: tech boss sent an internal memo calling for employees to

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Tech Europe anker Tomackenzie says the issue comes down

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Speaker 5: It does speak to that funding story, the need to

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Speaker 1: Tom McKenzie speaking there, Will Altman didn't directly address his

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Speaker 1: reasons for encouraging the push, Sources tell Bloomberg he recently

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Speaker 2: And those are our top stories for you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Looking at the markets US and your opin stop futures,

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Speaker 2: those are the outlying markets. Bitcoin has rebounded to a

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Speaker 2: trade now above ninety three thousand dollars present. Trump says

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Speaker 2: he will announce his selection to lead the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 1: We'll bring you more on those Kremlin talks over Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and whether their reason for optimism are caution, plus why

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Speaker 1: global plastic demand is set to keep surging. We've also

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Speaker 1: Caroline in working our very human eyes over the writing

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Speaker 1: by our colleagues on AI this morning. Plenty to read

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Speaker 1: across Bloomberg on this subject as always, but a couple

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Speaker 1: of stories that have stood out for us. One in particular,

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Speaker 1: our opinion columnist Dave Lee has been tackling some of

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Speaker 1: the Internet outrage over the re released Beatles anthology documentary,

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Speaker 1: which AI was used to restore and enhance old footage

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Speaker 1: of the band. Sounds like a great idea, except people

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Speaker 1: put spot at things like John Allen's guitar and one

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Speaker 2: Can I say something? I just think this is like

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Speaker 2: bad plastic surgery, isn't it for AI? If it's wrong,

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Speaker 2: it looks really freakish. But actually the world has largely

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Speaker 2: AI for history, for your cultural icons? Does it all

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Speaker 2: saying that I do. Even I dislike just remastering of

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Speaker 1: I think Colin firmly in the letter B Camp clearly

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Speaker 2: Now, let's bring you more on the talks between the

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Speaker 2: US and Russia over Ukraine. The discussions were described in

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Speaker 2: what came out of this huge important meetings? Good morning.

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Speaker 6: Well, there was a lot of positive rhetoric from the

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Speaker 1: So what happens next. Then does a meeting between Trump

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Speaker 6: Eurosha was pretty cautious about that. Actually, he said it

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Speaker 6: previously President Trump has said that he's not really interested

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Speaker 2: we did here from Marco Rubio an interview with Fox News,

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Speaker 1: The global production of new plastic is set to increase

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Speaker 1: by fifty two percent by twenty forty overwhelming waste management systems.

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Speaker 1: That's the alarming finding from a new report from the

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Speaker 1: American ENGLPEW Charitable Trusts. Are Reporter Tea out of Bio

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Speaker 1: is with us for more on this story. Teama, what

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Speaker 1: does this research say about our use of plastic in

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Speaker 1: the future.

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Speaker 7: Well, I've been pouring over this research and our great

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Speaker 7: piece about it on the terminal this morning, and in short,

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Speaker 7: from reading it, it seems like things are about to

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Speaker 7: get a lot worse unfortunately. I mean, we've known for

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Speaker 7: a while now that plastic isn't great for our bodies,

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Speaker 7: it's not great for the planet, but this report shows

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Speaker 7: that there's clear evidence that it's clogging beaches and oceans,

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Speaker 7: and also that microplastics are entering our bodies and harming

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Speaker 7: our health. And despite this, what is striking about these

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Speaker 7: findings is that we are still continuing to produce plastic

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Speaker 7: at accelerating rates. And because of that, one of the

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Speaker 7: key findings that has exposed in this report is that

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Speaker 7: global plastic pollution will hit two hundred and eighty million

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Speaker 7: metric tons per year by twenty forty. That's a dump

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Speaker 7: trucks worth of plastic every second. Global production of new

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Speaker 7: plastic is set to increase by fifty two percent. That's

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Speaker 7: twice as much as waste management systems are increasing to

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Speaker 7: deal with it, so it's quite a staggering amount. But

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Speaker 7: there are also some interesting insights here about the future,

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Speaker 7: especially when it comes to international cooperation. So the report

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Speaker 7: talks about how in August there were talks to forge

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Speaker 7: a sort of international treaty to kind of rain in

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Speaker 7: plastic pollution, but it was blocked by countries that produced

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Speaker 7: the majority of the material that would have been blocked

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Speaker 7: in those proposals. So it seems like the outlook here

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Speaker 7: is a pretty bleak all things considered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds absolutely grim. The consequences of increasing plastic use

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Speaker 2: that the research also describe some of those sounds quite alarming. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there are some pretty big consequences.

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Speaker 7: And it's great that this report is it's kind of

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Speaker 7: a hybrid, so you can see data, current data from

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Speaker 7: recent research, but then it puts that into a model

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Speaker 7: which helps to predict outcomes under different policy scenarios, and

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Speaker 7: included in that are some of the worst case scenarios. So,

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Speaker 7: for example, they are about sixteen thousand chemicals in plastics

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Speaker 7: and out of those, scientists think that about a fourth

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Speaker 7: could be harmful to our health. There are also some

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Speaker 7: big environmental risks. So under the current trajectory, plastic related

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Speaker 7: greenhouse gas emissions are expected to surge by fifty eight

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Speaker 7: percent a year, and that means that if plastic production

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Speaker 7: were a country, it would be the third largest emitter

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Speaker 7: of gases like carbon dioxide in the world. But what

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Speaker 7: is interesting as well here is that Pew has done

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Speaker 7: some pretty detailed modeling about those consequences, and I think

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Speaker 7: for me, the most striking of those is that the

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Speaker 7: authors estimate that the world's population would lose five point

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Speaker 7: six million total years of healthy life in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 7: and that's nine point eight million years in twenty forty.

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Speaker 7: So I mean, I suppose the biggest impact or the

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Speaker 7: biggest consequence that comes out of this is that impact

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Speaker 7: on or the shortening of human life that could come

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Speaker 7: out of this plastic production.

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Speaker 1: And what solutions to the researchers from QARFO, well, actually.

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Speaker 7: They don't think it's some sort of innovative new solution

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Speaker 7: or invention. They actually say that countries and communities already

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Speaker 7: possessed the tools to reduce the manufacture and the use

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Speaker 7: of plastic quite greatly. They are suggesting things like better

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Speaker 7: productions and packaging design, and also investing in the infrastructure

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Speaker 7: to support recycling so that we don't always have to

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Speaker 7: produce new plastic products. There's also policy solutions, so ending

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Speaker 7: subsidies for plastic production and also expanding waste collection. But

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Speaker 7: coming back to that gloom we talked about in the

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Speaker 7: original forecast, they do can see that microplastics will be

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Speaker 7: harder to control.

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