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Speaker 1: residential area in the middle of our county. I mean

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Speaker 1: we are rural county, and but it is. It's in

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Speaker 1: an unincorporated area. But it's strictly residential and you know,

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Speaker 1: fairly fairly populated for us. It's a community called East Point.

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Speaker 1: Now I've been taking a look at your probably calls affidavit.

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Speaker 1: Dean was identified by mister Ball, an elderly East Point resident,

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Speaker 1: as being the man with another guy who burglarized his

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Speaker 1: North Bay Shore Drive home earlier that day. So the

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Speaker 1: senior mail identified them the old man tried to chase

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Speaker 1: him or old guy that reminds me of my dad

435
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: so much. They cops apparently found a book bag left

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Speaker 1: on the bedroom floor with a knife, which led to

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Speaker 1: the armed burglary charge. Correct, I mean, what is the

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Speaker 1: judge making any comment about this at all? No, there's

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00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: there's no comment about it. And like you know, like

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00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 1: you previously stated, I just I want the community to

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Speaker 1: know that my job is to bring them before the

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Speaker 1: courts and that's what I do, and and we all

443
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: have to work together. But again, this myth epidemic is

444
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Speaker 1: so out of control that we got to all be

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Speaker 1: working together. And I think if you're not exposed to

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Speaker 1: it on a daily basis, like a lot of the

447
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: folks in the judicial system are not, they don't realize

448
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: what it's doing to our community. And that's what I

449
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: want to bring awareness to. Hey, we have a problem, well, sheriff.

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Speaker 1: I rarely disagree with a sheriff, but I got to

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Speaker 1: disagree with you on that because how can you be

452
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Speaker 1: a sitting judge and not know about the meth epidemic

453
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Speaker 1: Because you see myth heads and what they do, they're

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00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: out of their minds. It's almost to where they're not

455
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: really to blame, but yet they are because they're so

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00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: out there like zombies. Okay, here's the thing. It's about

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Speaker 1: making our communities healthy again. Drug addiction and mental health

458
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: go hand in hand, and they are making our communities unhealthy.

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Speaker 1: If we can get these people off drugs, make our

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Speaker 1: communities healthier, We make our families hold, we make our

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Speaker 1: communities a better place to live. That's what I'm telling people.

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Speaker 1: So everybody get involved, and so the community is they

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Speaker 1: are they are with me on that, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm as long as I'm sure if that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna keep doing. If you don't want to

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Speaker 1: get clean, but you're going to commit crimes, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna aggressively work to put you in jail and get

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Speaker 1: you off the streets so that you're not stealing from

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Speaker 1: somebody or breaking in their house or burning their car,

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Speaker 1: or you know, committing battery or sex battery or all

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Speaker 1: these crimes that go along with the drug You know,

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Speaker 1: they say drugs are a victim was crime. That's a

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Speaker 1: bunch of bs. I got a question for you, Sheriff,

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Speaker 1: How does this make your people, your men and women

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Speaker 1: in uniform feel when they go to all this effort.

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00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: They go to a crime scene. Do you never know

477
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen to you at a crime scene?

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Speaker 1: You don't know if somebody's armed in there waiting for

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00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: you to walk in the door. They go, They put

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Speaker 1: their life on the line. They go this home, they investigate,

481
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: they find the perp, they arrest the perp, they do

482
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: great work, they put him in jail, and then it

483
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: gets out on a it's really a one dollar bond

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00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: on each count. Yeah, it's certainly. It certainly does not

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Speaker 1: make the deputies feel good because, just like you said,

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Speaker 1: they are putting their life on the line. And like

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Speaker 1: I told you earlier, I walked in on one just

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Speaker 1: last week who was actually smoking a math pipe. And

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Speaker 1: of course, just like you said, again, they're out of

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Speaker 1: their head. They're not thinking rational, They're going to do

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00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: things they wouldn't normally do. Their emotions are high. And yeah,

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00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: so you like to know that when you catch these people,

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Speaker 1: especially when they're most of them are repeat offenders in

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00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: them each time we have to catch them again, it's

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00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: harder because they get shrewder, they get smarter, and it's

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Speaker 1: you know, it's hard, and like I said, just about

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Speaker 1: everybody having jail or repeat offenders, they've been before judges before.

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00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: It's not their first rodeo, they know, and so we

499
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: gotta we gotta have a better way of doing things.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. These days, two dollars might

501
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: not get you too far, but recently two dollars did

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Speaker 1: bind a Franklin County man out of jail, Sheriff's officials say.

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Speaker 1: On June sixth, John Deane was out of jail on

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Speaker 1: pre trial release when he broke into an elderly couple's

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Speaker 1: home in the middle of the day while they were

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Speaker 1: in it. It was charged with burglary and larceny, and

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Speaker 1: according to the Sheriff's office, Dean's bond was set at

508
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Speaker 1: two dollars. Now, Sheriff Eg Smith wants locals to know

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Speaker 1: it's not his choice for Dean to be back on

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Speaker 1: the streets. Sheriff Smith says there is now extra patrol

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00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: around the couple's home. We reached south of Florida's Second

512
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Speaker 1: Judicial Court and we're told under the Code of Judicial Conduct,

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Speaker 1: the judge cannot make a public statement about any pending

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Speaker 1: or impending case. I mean, it's he grace, this is

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Speaker 1: crime stories. Thank you for being with us. A two

516
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Speaker 1: dollar bond to a guy addicted to meth previous meth

517
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Speaker 1: arrests after he breaks in armed with a code defendant

518
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Speaker 1: one of the Goma with a knife and to an

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Speaker 1: elderly couple's home there in Florida in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the day. Jason Oceans, I'm gonna go out on a

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Speaker 1: limb and risk it go to you again. I hope

522
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: you're not mad at me. But Jason, we know this

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Speaker 1: guy's already had state funded rehab. And I would try

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Speaker 1: everything as a prosecutor. If I thought somebody was an addict,

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00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'd give him probation and treatment, free treatment

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00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: to start with, and community service. If that didn't work,

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Speaker 1: then I'd put him in a lot down rehab paid

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00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: for by the state. Then after that jail. But once

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Speaker 1: a gun appears, or once a victim is at jeopardy,

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Speaker 1: it's all over. You go to jail. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: more can we do, Jason, we I mean, he's had rehab,

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Speaker 1: he's had probation. What more can we do? No, I

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Speaker 1: just want to say, I hear you Nancy, I want

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Speaker 1: to say the sheriff, you know, practicing over twenties. Okay,

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Speaker 1: se wait now right there, right there, when somebody starts

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Speaker 1: off with I hear you. Now see that's always followed

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00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: by a butt, I hear you. But okay, what's the butt? Well,

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00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: this is the kin back to the early nineties with

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00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: the crack is whack and you know how devastating that

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00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: was Andy rates Rose and until we you know, sought

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Speaker 1: a way to deal with it, and you know social justice.

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00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: As the sheriff is talking about having more you know,

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00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: investment and resource to to deal with his vicious you know, epidemic, math, opioids,

544
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: all of it, you know, but those are those are

545
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: balances of choice that you know, governments and municipalities make.

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00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: You got to invest in those. And I feel the

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00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: sheriff's anguish and trying to deal with it. Sounds like

548
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: a very compassionate man who's trying to do his job

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00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: with his officers and at the same time deal with

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Speaker 1: the reality of such a scourge to his community. It's

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00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: a it's a conundrum, Nancy, Uh, you know, and uh

552
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: there's no easy balance. Okay, So what you're saying to

553
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Speaker 1: me Jason, is that we need to pump more money

554
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Speaker 1: into the system for rehab and treatment. Okay, see, I

555
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: thought that too back in Let's see, when did us

556
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: start prosecuting over nineteen eighty seven? And I thought, oh,

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00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: alsend these people to have I'll help them and they

558
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: won't commit another crime. Guess what. All the rehabs are full,

559
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: all the beans are taken people would have to and

560
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: politicians are not going to pay any more money. They're

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Speaker 1: not going to do it. Even though that's what they

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Speaker 1: need to do. It ain't going to happen. They're not

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Speaker 1: giving any more money. And I'm hearing Sheriff Smith, this

564
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: system is broken. So Sheriff, what do you propose? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, one of the things that I am

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Speaker 1: working on here probably the first. I don't know of

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Speaker 1: any other sheriff in the country that's running a rehab center,

568
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm on the cusp of trying to

569
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: get open here. And it'll be open to anybody anywhere.

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00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: It'll be free. And I know that's kind of a

571
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: big step for a sheriff, but we have such an

572
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: epidemic here that we have to find a solution, and

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00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: nobody else seems to have a solution. So this is

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Speaker 1: what I'm I have a facility here and the account

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Speaker 1: of Commissioners have agreed to give it to me. It's

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Speaker 1: got to be rehabs. I got to raise money private donors.

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00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: I got to go to the Department of Justice that

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00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: has grants. I'm going to the States to maybe get

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00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: a legislative appropriation. We have there's old spilled money left over.

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Speaker 1: It called the Triumph Fund from the old spell you know,

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Speaker 1: ears back. And so I'm going to go to all

582
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Speaker 1: these of all these different resources and see what I

583
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: can get. But that's where we are. But we're going

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Speaker 1: to continue people that don't want to do change their lives,

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Speaker 1: they want to continue to use maths, We're going to

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Speaker 1: aggressively arrest them. We're going to stay on them. We're

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00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: getting ready we do drug round ups where these people

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Speaker 1: just like the meth house you were talking about where

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00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: we got John Deane ten people living there. It's nothing

590
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: but you know, a sore spot in a good neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: And so we're going to continue to aggressively seek out

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Speaker 1: these people that are selling math and using math and

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00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: lock them up. Well, the sheriff is there any way

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Speaker 1: that you can have Is there any way. I've been

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00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: in so many crack houses looking for witnesses and guys.

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00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: When we say meth house or a crack house, I

597
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: can't believe I was there sometimes in that without even

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Speaker 1: an investigator with me. I mean, it looks abandon The

599
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: furniture is all burned up, the sofas turned upside down,

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00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: their burn holes in the carpet, it's filthy, there's needles

601
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: everywhere you're in. It's just just still. It really needs

602
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: to be condemned if it's a meth house. But I'm

603
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: just thinking about the how the victims in this case feel,

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00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: how the sheriffs that worked the case feel. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what are they supposed to do? Go out and try

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Speaker 1: it again the next day? You know, when the guy's

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Speaker 1: going to get a two dollar bond, and what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Smith, when he doesn't show up for court, what's

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00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: going to happen? Then? Yeah, they're going to have to

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Speaker 1: take resources and go out and look for them again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what you know. We're a small agency,

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Speaker 1: So when I have to go out and chase down

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Speaker 1: people who don't show up, in court. It's takes people

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00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: away from doing there are other poor functions, which is

615
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: fighting this myth epidemic. So so yeah, itiners well, Sheriff.

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Speaker 1: I surely admire you. I admire your effort to start

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00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: the treatment program, and if we can help in anyway,

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00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm all behind it. But I really would like people

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Speaker 1: to get rehabbed behind bars, because innocent victims like this family,

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Speaker 1: the poor old senior trying to chase this guy out

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Speaker 1: of his house as meth head. I don't want my

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Speaker 1: mom in that position. So while you're rehabbing all the

623
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Speaker 1: meth heads, could you please just keep him in a lockdown.

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Speaker 1: My campaign that we started a couple of years ago

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00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: is rehabilitation or incarceration. If you don't want help, then

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Speaker 1: we're going to lock you up because you're a minister

627
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: our society. You're committing crimes. I mean, just today we're

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: running around trying to find some people that burglarize the house,

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00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: took guns, and then stole the card and set it

630
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: on fire. So we're that's what we've been working on today.

631
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Speaker 1: And we know it's people that are involved in drugs

632
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: have done this, and so if they're not going to

633
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: do right then they need to be locked up, bottom line,

634
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: and the judge has got to help us. We'll just

635
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: see what Judge Martin Fitzpatrick has to say about this,

636
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: although I guarantee you he'll remain quiet and get reelected

637
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: and go out and have a stake dinner. Nancy Grace

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