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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is No. They call me Ben. You are you?

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Speaker 1: And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: Let's travel back in time briefly for a second. Can

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Speaker 1: I do my waynes World grip off? Please do perfect? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: We're there now, We're there, We're there, We're we're near

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Speaker 1: Ella j Georgia. Several months back when the three of us,

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Speaker 1: along with our compatriot Christopher Hasiotis, traveled to see Expedition

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Speaker 1: Bigfoot with an exclamation mark? Do you remember? Do you remember? Guys?

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Speaker 1: How could I forget? And if you were not lucky

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Speaker 1: enough to be with us when we made that first

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Speaker 1: expedition to Expedition Bigfoot, Uh never feared because we made

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Speaker 1: a documentary, right short documentary available for free on Amazon Prime,

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Speaker 1: where we interviewed the creator of Expedition Bigfoot, David Bickara himself.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, man. He told us some incredible stories, I mean,

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Speaker 1: some of that stuff about Bigfoot going across the highway

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Speaker 1: was incredible stuff. Again, if you haven't seen it, go

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Speaker 1: there now. And it was sort of like a shallow,

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Speaker 1: sort of a toad dip into the Bigfoot waters. But

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Speaker 1: today we are lucky enough to have the very same

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Speaker 1: David Bakara in the studio with us to take a

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Speaker 1: deep dive into said waters. Hello, all right today, sir,

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Speaker 1: I'm great, great to be back with you. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for I mean, because one of

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Speaker 1: was the audio version of this? So we want to

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time to come

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Speaker 1: and talk with us and our audience today. We have

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Speaker 1: a couple of questions for you, and mainly what we'd

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Speaker 1: like to do is uh, learn more about your story,

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Speaker 1: learn more about your quest, learn more about expedition Bigfoot,

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Speaker 1: and I guess the most the most logical place to

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Speaker 1: skunk gape. Yeah, and they asked you, what is Bigfoot?

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Speaker 1: What would you say? Bigfoot has been here for a

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Speaker 1: long time to be very difficult to think at this

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Speaker 1: But I could answer your questions by saying you could

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Speaker 1: pick up about any book on folklore in your local

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Speaker 1: all over every small town. They've been writing a bottom

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Speaker 1: since they're late eighteen hundreds. Easily you can find them

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Speaker 1: at all kinds of books. But it's any Harry helmeted that,

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Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be pretty hard to find somebody that

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Speaker 1: Aren't there even Native American sculptures and masks that were

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Speaker 1: what exactly that is. So Ron Moore had spent three years, Uh,

427
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: he's an entrepreneur out in uh northern California, and he's

428
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: spent used to go hunting with these gentlemen way out

429
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: in this remote area, and the Sierras couldn't drive to it.

430
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: You had to you had to take horseback for miles

431
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: and miles to this very treacherous trail to get up

432
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 1: to this area where they had a small little it

433
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: was not even a shack. They just took a bunch

434
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: of deadfall and stacked it up, kind of made like

435
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: a little shelter to get him out of that, to

436
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: get him out of the weather. And they would spend

437
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: a week there hunting. They had little camp there. Every

438
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: time they come they bring a little bit more, a

439
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: little bit more. They had a little camp where they

440
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: could cook up and they would hunt deer, and it

441
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: was like a kind of guy's getaway. It wasn't very

442
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: big up at the shack probably wasn't more than ten

443
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: by ten. It was just a little lean to Really,

444
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: i'm looking at it right now, it's like a little

445
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,239
Speaker 1: wooden box with like a ladder kind of looking thing

446
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: on the slidder, like a hatch, just a big log.

447
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: They'd roll out of the way to get in and

448
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: then to shut it. They just roll it back into place.

449
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: And after a few years, Uh, these fellows started hearing

450
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: some very strange noises and vocalization is coming. Something was

451
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: coming into the camp, rattling the pots around, and then

452
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: they started finding some very strange footprints. Finally realized what

453
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: probably was going on. So they had contacted a fella

454
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: named Al Berry who was a reporter for one of

455
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: the local newspapers there. And now they told Al the

456
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: story and he was like, this is these guys are hoaxing.

457
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: This can't be really happening. There's just no way, he said,

458
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: I'll go, but I'm just I know they're just jerking

459
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: me around. So he brought at the top of the

460
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: line sony recording equipment thin get out there. They set

461
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: up runs. I think he ran the microphone out to

462
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: some food some seventy or eighty feet away from this

463
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: from the shack. And uh, I'll be darned if you

464
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: didn't spend a couple of days recording these things. It's

465
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: funny when you listen to them, when you listen to

466
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: the sounds, and you can get the DVD is available

467
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: at from Ron Moorehead from his website. Actually let's do

468
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: some of that right now. There are a few available

469
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Let's hear some grace. Oh man, It's like

470
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: you first hear it and my my, my mind immediately

471
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: goes to it's some sort of like turkey pig hybrid thing.

472
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: But then it starts doing something completely different and goes

473
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: into these vocalizations that are distinctly human and the kinds

474
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: of things you can only make by opening and closing

475
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: your mouth in a certain shape, you know, and it's

476
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: very otherworldly. I mean I tend to, you know, be

477
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: a little bit skeptical about some of this kind of stuff,

478
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: but man, that is a compelling sounding recording and not

479
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: heard anything like that kind of gives me shivers. For me.

480
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: It's the quality, like you're saying, David, that it makes me.

481
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: It makes me feel iffy about it because it sounds

482
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: so good. It sounds like it's so close to where

483
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: whatever is being you know, whatever microphone they're using. It

484
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: sounds like it's pretty darn close. It's not up on

485
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: a ridge or something and you're like shooting way down

486
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: there unless you've got some like really really incredible equipment.

487
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: So what you just heard, ladies and gentlemen as as

488
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 1: David was describing, are the famous Sierra sounds, largely considered

489
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: by many people investigating Bigfoot to be some of the

490
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: strongest evidence, right, strongest audio evidence. Sure, and just face value.

491
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: I think you can hear it and you realize it's

492
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: something very strange. But there's a nice gentleman by the

493
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: name of got Nelson out in Minnesota, I believe, whose

494
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: son was doing a high school report and the Sierra sounds.

495
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: And he's a retired Navy crypto linguist, so that's what

496
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: he did. He used to sit in the Seven Marines

497
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: off the coast of Russian China, and he's dropping our conversation.

498
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: So you have to pick up little pieces of it

499
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: and form whole sentences because sometimes they go in out.

500
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know how many different languages he speaks,

501
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: but he's an expert. And he's in the other room

502
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: working on something, and he hears his son playing these

503
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: sounds on his computer. Comes he says, what are you

504
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: listening to? He says, Oh, this is something called c

505
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: R sounds. Supposedly Bigfoot's howling at each other. He says,

506
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: play that again. He just happened to be in the

507
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: right place at the right time. Just play it again.

508
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Son plays again. He says, let me see that. Pulls

509
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: out the fire and he starts playing it over and go,

510
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: and he says, that's a language. Those that these things

511
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: aren't ground at each other. He said, he said when

512
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: he ran him through a filter, slowed them down. He says,

513
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: my god, these things they have their own language. So here,

514
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: this poor guy goes from being totally uninterested third party

515
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: just happened to be when they're when his son was

516
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: playing with it, listening to on his computer. He wrote

517
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: a whole book, our whole series of papers on this language.

518
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: He can actually repeat some of these words, almost like

519
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: you're hearing it. He says, I have no idea what

520
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm just repeating. But he says, you had

521
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: to slow them down to just so he could say

522
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: the words. These things actually speak twice as fast as

523
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: we can speak. So um. So here you have a

524
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: Navy cryptolink was saying, who was a specialist, says, this

525
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: isn't sounds. These are language. It makes me think of

526
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: some stuff you'd hear in like Star Wars, for example,

527
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: where you've got characters that have this sort of nonsensical

528
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: sounding language where there are distinct like phonemes and kind

529
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: of word patterns and shapes or whatever, and specifically patterns.

530
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: And you can hear that in the recording that we

531
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: just played, where it's not nonsense. There's a sort of

532
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: rhyme and reason to it, especially once it gets going

533
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: and starts getting into the more of those guttural tones,

534
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: and there's a motion in it too. I find like

535
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: it is it is not sound completely breast of any

536
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: kind of feeling. It's got this like kind of quality

537
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: of like really trying to communicate to it, whether or

538
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: not you understand the language or not, I think you

539
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: get that sense. I think the Mike. I'm pretty sure

540
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: that at some points that Mike was sitting over a

541
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: pile of leftover food. So when you're hearing a lot

542
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: of is these things arguing over who gets what? Wow?

543
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: And this brings up something else that we want to

544
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: ask you about on air, because in our original conversations

545
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: you talked about some of the long distance communication methods

546
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: that these life forms would use, specifically knocking on wood.

547
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, sure,

548
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: So a lot of the BF row members. A lot

549
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: of bigfooters now are are employing wood knocking techniques because

550
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: when these things are out the woods, you hear what

551
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: sounds like wood knocks being associated with them. So there's

552
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: all kinds of theories floating around. One of them is

553
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: maybe these things doing wood knocks when they when they

554
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: sense the human being, which so which when we're doing

555
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: wood knocks, we're defeating our own which is a pretty

556
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: ironic theory, and I'm almost to the point where I

557
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: think it's got some validity to it. So yeah, So,

558
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: and some people think they do it these wood knocks

559
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: to echolocate each other. Hey, i'm over here, they do

560
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: a wood knock over, I'm over here, a third one

561
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: over here. Sometimes that you think they sound like they're

562
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: doing rock clacks, And some folks have actually observed them

563
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: making these sounds with their mouth, so we think they're

564
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: doing wood knocks, but they're actually making these sounds with

565
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 1: their mouth. They're amazing the sounds that maybe things they

566
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: can mimic. It's very possible that's exactly what's going on.

567
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: Because if you do a wooden knock, if you're in

568
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: the woods and it's two o'clock more I have the

569
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: stick in my hand, I do a good clear woodknock.

570
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: How in the world can I get a reply wood

571
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: knock within two seconds? I would dare anybody stand out

572
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: the woods, find me a stick and make a wood knock.

573
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: They're almost all rotten. I've done it before. They're walking out.

574
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Watch how they go do a wood knock? Well, this

575
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: no good, This is no no. This one's smacking. And

576
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: I think I thought to myself one time, I my goodness,

577
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: how can they be doing this because I can't even

578
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: find us. That might take me seven or eight minutes

579
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: to find something well enough. And then I got to

580
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: break it off because it's ten ft long. I'm a

581
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: club out of it. So there's definitely some validity to

582
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: the theory where these things are making. That's those sounds

583
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: with their mouth. So one of the other big questions

584
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: that people would have if they're if they're coming into

585
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: this from you know, square one, would be, uh, we

586
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: would go back to the idea of like physical evidence, right,

587
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: So one of the big questions would be if there

588
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: are creatures this large from a population North America of

589
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: thirty to ten thou If if they're that many, then

590
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: one of the questions would be where where our bones?

591
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: Would you know there's fecal matter? Um? Where are evidence

592
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: of for instance, like um guerrillas tend to make nests? Right,

593
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: So one of the questions that people have asked us

594
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: before is where what happens to this stuff? Or does

595
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: this stuff exists? You know, like is there is there

596
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: something there to find? What a great question because it's

597
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: something that serious bigfooters asked themselves, probably in private, Why

598
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: am I not finding more stuff? So the people that

599
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: come into the museum and said, I just I don't.

600
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: I just know I want to believe, I just I

601
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: just don't understand how they can, and they're actually it's

602
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: a very honest question. We really should be finding more stuff.

603
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Why aren't that? We've we've dug up giant skeletons, you know,

604
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: as they were building the infrastructure United States late nineteenth

605
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: century twentieth century, they dug up all kinds of giants skeletons,

606
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: but they didn't find any giant fossils. Why do we

607
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: not find these things in the fossil records? If there's

608
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: thousands of them now, there should be hundreds of thousands

609
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: of them buried out there. We should be digging up

610
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: a lot more fossils other than a few teeth from

611
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: the giganti Pathecus and giganti Pathecus Blackie and China and

612
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: Russia found in some caves. It's really all we have.

613
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: We're trying to reconstruct the whole species from a few

614
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: moltor I think a partial jaw. So, yes, there were

615
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: we do have evidence of giant apes, but these apes,

616
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: these Gigantipathecus, were never proven to be bipedal. There were

617
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: just basically that giant apes that walked around like big

618
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: monkeys on all fours. These things the primary walk around

619
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: on on two feet now, so we're not sure if

620
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: they're the same thing. There. What a great question. I

621
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: don't know. I have my theories as to why we're

622
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: not finding more stuff, a lot of stuff. A lot

623
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: of people can walk by things in the woods and

624
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: not realize what it is. Oh, look, elk are nesting.

625
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: There could be big foots. I mean so a lot

626
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: of the of their habitats may look like another animal,

627
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: so unless you're looking for them, you might not recognize

628
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: what you're saying. People find structures, and it was all

629
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: the time. They send us pictures at these big hut

630
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: like things. I had a guy kind of museum told

631
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: me he found one that was almost ten ft tall.

632
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: He could walk in and not hit his head on it.

633
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: It's huge. It's stunk in there. Um. He said he

634
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: was too, he was so afraid to go in it.

635
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: And he was with a friend of his and he

636
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: sent me pictures, show me pictures on his phone, and

637
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: he said nothing was acted. There was everything it makes broken,

638
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: and it had all kinds of leaves and matter to

639
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: make like a little hot out of it. So did

640
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: a big footmaker. I don't know, but this guy was convinced.

641
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: Why would somebody make something so big that was a

642
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 1: lot of effort put in there? And then people find

643
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: these little structures like uh like t piece where it

644
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: really doesn't afford any kind of protection from the elements whatsoever.

645
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: We wonder if there's some kind of a blind where

646
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: they hide in them to break up their silhouette for

647
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: game on the edge of a game trail. But then again,

648
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: on the other hand, do you hear people say these

649
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: seeings stink? If I can smell these things a fifty

650
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: ft I'm sure a deer is gonna smell it. And

651
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: and a void them and you know, maybe they use

652
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: these little structures as markers for other big foot. Hey,

653
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: this is my territory. So but what a great question.

654
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: We really should be finding more things, uh, overt evidence

655
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: of their existence out in the woods. They don't farm,

656
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: they don't use tools, they don't raise anything. These things

657
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: just live hand to mouth daily. Yet they're intelligent. So

658
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: at some point, some some juncture in a big footer's life,

659
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: you have to start thinking outside the box. And some

660
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: things that people may have told you in the in

661
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: the past that you just kind of laughed off, you

662
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: didn't take it seriously, that you start to like go

663
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: back to some of that stuff. And that's where a

664
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: lot of researchers are doing now, not most of them,

665
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: I'd say a lot of them, most of them. So

666
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: it's um Ron Moore had the felt that wrote the

667
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Serious Sunds. You just came up with a brand new

668
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: book called Quantum big Foot, where he just us as

669
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: quantum physics and strength theory and possibility of um, of

670
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: other universes and other realities being just within arms reach

671
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: of us, but we're unable to see them. But other

672
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: things are able to cross through the veil. Well, this

673
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: comes back to some of the things that we were

674
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, where potentially there are there are reports

675
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: of these creatures having some sort of supernatural abilities. So

676
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: if that was the case, maybe you know, allah the

677
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: elders in the Dark Crystal movie, when they die, they

678
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: just sort of vanish into star stuff and they're gone.

679
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, I'm just spitball in here, but

680
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: you know it's I guess what I'm getting at is like,

681
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, we find new fossils, that's not a thing

682
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: that is is beyond the realm of possibility. Has found

683
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: the a new Homo sapien fossil and morocco that like

684
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: lengthened our conception of the timeline of man. But there's

685
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot of human remains that are found constantly, So

686
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: to find to to go so long with these creatures

687
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: still supposedly exist sting and not find any you know,

688
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: displayable fossil strikes me as a little odd. So so

689
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: I have two quick things. The first one is have

690
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: you ever heard of the staircases in the woods theories? Okay,

691
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: so what if what if these things are somehow coming

692
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 1: down from some other dimension with these staircases. You guys, Oh,

693
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: that's that's it. Could you explain for I fami with

694
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: this and I just I just nodded, But for for

695
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: anyone who isn't familiar, could you break that down stairway

696
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: to heaven there? Okay? So these are accounts of, you know,

697
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: a story written down by somebody when they were walking

698
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: through the woods they saw a staircase in the middle,

699
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: just of the woods somewhere, and this range is the

700
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: locations for this range all over the place, and allegedly

701
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: it's like a staircase that you would find in any house.

702
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: But it just stops and it's just in the middle

703
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: of the woods. It's not like it was attached to

704
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: another house and it was broken down, and it looks

705
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: like it's broken. It's strangely in act and looks pristine. Um.

706
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: And you know the stories there there, these are fables

707
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: and the story goes, you know, I don't ever go

708
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: near those things because that's how people disappear in the

709
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: woods to go those staircases. Well, regardless of what you believe,

710
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, guys. If you're walking in the woods

711
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: and you see a staircase by itself, why would you

712
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: walk up it just I mean from from like if

713
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: it's been in the woods. From a physical safety standpoint,

714
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: My theories that it's a like a fishing line with

715
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: a little hook. It's just to get your curiosity up,

716
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: so we'll try and go in there. But it's a trap.

717
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Though that sounds like you never go up the stairs,

718
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: you know. But sorry. My my second thing, really fast

719
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: is just just to throw this out there. We're talking

720
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: about finding giant human skeletons. So if you go online

721
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: and you look into that very much, um like I

722
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: did after we had our conversations earlier on, it appears

723
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: that a core in two skeptical sites like Snopes and

724
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: other places like that, they say that's completely untrue. What

725
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: what would you say to somebody who says that, you know,

726
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: we didn't find humans giant human skeletons, Well, why would

727
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 1: guess as Snopes is saying we didn't find it because

728
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: we don't have them. Okay, but we we know for

729
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: a fact that that almost all of these newspaper articles

730
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: where they take up these giants, and I have to

731
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: emphasize these these were giant human skeletons. Nowhere in the

732
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: description of these things do they say they were like

733
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: ape like, or that the arms hung real low. All

734
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: of the descriptions of them were just giant human skeletons,

735
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: and some with double rows of teeth, which just doesn't

736
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: make any sense whatsoever. And the Smithsonian always almost all

737
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: of these end up the same way that they contact

738
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: the Smithsonian, and the Smithsonian says, well, we're gonna send

739
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: somebody down to collect those bones. We'll take a look

740
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: at them for you, and then they just evaporated. After that.

741
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: The Smithsonian would never comment on them. They wouldn't say

742
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: they got them. And they're just so many. It's not

743
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: one or two or three or four. There's probably in

744
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: the newspaper. I mean, it's so I mean, I know

745
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: the newspaper sometimes they print things that aren't true, but

746
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: once or twice, maybe times the same subject. I kind

747
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: of find that part to believe. So the Smithsonian's definitely

748
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: got them. And like I tell people, I'm not it's

749
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: possible that these things are hidden from us for a

750
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: good reason. It's possible. I'm now, I can't say that

751
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, we are we'd be better if we knew

752
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: about them. It's possible that we wouldn't, so it wouldn't

753
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: it be ironic not the closer you get to the

754
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: answer to these creatures, the less people you could tell

755
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: a bottom It wouldn't it be even more ironic that

756
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: if somebody took you to the side into a dark

757
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: room and said, oh, I'm gonna tell you everything you

758
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: want to know, and he told you the secret to Bigfoot,

759
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: and when you walked out of that room, you realize

760
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell anybody that you just had to live

761
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: with it, because either the answer is to disturbing or

762
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: it sounds so crazy and you have no proof that

763
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: they're not going to believe you. So it wouldn't be

764
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: all right that once you did have it, there's nobody

765
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: to tell you just have to live with it. And

766
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: that is the perfect set up for the final part

767
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: of our interview, The Secret Bigfoot, responding to the more

768
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: skeptically minded or or the critics or the people who

769
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: are saying what gives We'll be back after a word

770
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back continuing our Bigfoot discussion

771
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: with David Makar of Expedition Bigfoot. My question is something

772
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: we haven't discussed in terms of why we're not finding

773
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: these bones. I was just kind of doing a little googling,

774
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: and one perspective is that we don't know how the

775
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: lifespan of these creatures could be. And if they are

776
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, what's the word, I'm looking

777
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: for supernatural creatures, maybe they live a really long time,

778
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: and that's part of why we haven't found any bones.

779
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: And also they are apparently, you know, from all accounts,

780
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: very rare creatures. Can you respond to that in someone.

781
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that has conventure the lifespan of

782
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: one of these things. I do know that are reports

783
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: of old ones that, um, we we're seeing. Somebody was

784
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: fella was chopping wood in Florida, and this is back

785
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: in the forties or fifties, and one had walked out

786
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: of the woods and it must have been drawn to

787
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: the sound of wood shopping. And he said, and he said,

788
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: this thing was gray when white, it was gray, and

789
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: it was he was wheezing to catch its breath. It

790
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: actually had to put his arm on a tree to

791
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: catch his breath a little bit. Then after a few

792
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: seconds it started to move on again. So that's about

793
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: the only proof I have that they get old. I

794
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: would even venture to guess the whole they get. I mean,

795
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: they have no form of modern medicine that we have. Um.

796
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: I do know that the reports of the of the females,

797
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: as soon as the baby is born, they take it

798
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: down to the nearest creak and wash it off. And

799
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: some of those creeks are extremely cold, like too cold

800
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: for us to to uh to survive in. So it's

801
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: possible that some of that the mortality rate of of

802
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: the young ones isn't particularly high or you know, possible

803
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: they don't live long. So that's that's a good question. No,

804
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't think anybody really knows,

805
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: but we do know they get old. We do know

806
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: they start off as babies, because there's plenty of reports

807
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: of of young ones. It just gets my imagination kind

808
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: of churning, like what if they live hundreds of years

809
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: and they're being so few of them. That could be

810
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: a potential reason for not finding more remains. And the

811
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: fact that you know, the woods, the forest have a

812
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: way of dealing with decomposition, and scavengers carry pieces off

813
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: in various directions they could and I don't know, Well, yeah,

814
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: this climate has a lot to do with the preservation

815
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: of any physical remains, and forests are hungry, hungry biomas,

816
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: So it's it takes a lot of consistent, assiduous work

817
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: to maintain any human structure. Uh, if you leave a

818
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: body in the forest. I don't want to get too dark,

819
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: but anyone who's checked out our previous episodes on National

820
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: Parks knows that hundreds of people just sort of disappear.

821
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: We forget how large the woods are in North America,

822
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: on this continent especially. And I've got to say before

823
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: the break one thing that that really uh got my

824
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: gears turning, David, when you talked about someone going into

825
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: a shadowy side room. It always reminds me of one

826
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: of those things that almost everybody assumes happens when with

827
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: with presidents, right like, oh, I'm going to reveal all

828
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: these classified secrets. I'm going to uh approve every f

829
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: o I A or Freedom of for Nation Act request,

830
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: and uh, and then they get elected. The joke is always,

831
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, someone sits them down and says, congratulations, Mr President,

832
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: here are the things we will tell you. And if

833
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: you tell anyone and then you know, maybe they slide

834
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: a picture of Kennedy across the desk or something, and

835
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: I know that's I know that can be paranoid or

836
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: alarm is. But a lot of a lot of truth

837
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: is often told in just and we wanted to ask,

838
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: do do you think that there is a concerted effort

839
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: to suppress evidence or or in credible testimony of Bigfoot? Oh? Absolutely, Oh,

840
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: there certainly is. And like I said before, it might

841
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: be for a good reason. I don't think Bigfoot is

842
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: for everybody. I've met a lot of folks through my life,

843
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: a lot of folks that come through the museum. These

844
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: folks there is there are a no way ready to

845
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: accept the reality of a giant Harry hammetted roaming our woods,

846
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: the impervious for the most part, to our small arms

847
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: that can outrun a car. No, I don't think people

848
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: most people aren't ready for it. So um, there's definitely

849
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: a considered effort to keep it quiet. There's a lot

850
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: of folks that the professionals that were threatened to with

851
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 1: their job. Do you like working here in this biology department? Yeah?

852
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: I do you like your paycheck? Yes? I do? Then

853
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: stop talking about Bigfoot? So um. Lots some sometimes they

854
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: tiptoe around it. Sometimes they'll go right to them. And

855
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: say just stop talking about Bigfoot. There's no doubt that

856
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: there is a conservative effort to keep these things squashed down.

857
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: But for those that choose to keep digging, I think

858
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: you should continue to do so. I mean I do,

859
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: and I've got a lot of friends that do. But

860
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: you have to know in the back of your mind

861
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: that you're not going to go up on a mountain

862
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: and scream the answer to Bigfoot to all the unwilling

863
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: people you're there's only going to be a very small

864
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: amount of people that you can share this with, And

865
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: depending on what that information is, where you go next

866
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: with that. I don't know where you go next with it,

867
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: but I'm venturing to guess that that it's going to

868
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: be so disturbing that you you can't tell your mother

869
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: and your father, and your brother and sisters. If they're

870
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: not an interesting Bigfoot, You're not gonna be able to tellent,

871
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't want to tell them. Let them have

872
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,439
Speaker 1: their normal life, go to work, watch the ball games

873
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: on the weekends, go to the kids te ball against

874
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 1: They don't need to know about this stuff. So I've

875
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: had people call me and tell me, Hey, I think

876
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: I've got a big foot on my property and I've

877
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: got a big thirty yacht six. I'm a good hunter.

878
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: If I shoot this thing and I call you, will

879
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: you help me? We'll bring it. And I said, I said,

880
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: not only do I not want you to call me,

881
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: I said, lose my email address. Do not call me

882
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: if you've got a body one of these things. Because

883
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: if you think that the powers of being gonna let

884
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: you drag a dead Bigfoot body out into the world

885
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: to prove to all these unwilling people, they don't want

886
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: to know Bigfoot's reel. Stop, do you go as far

887
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: as you want to with Bigfoot us into your yard.

888
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: You've got one that you feed, take it as part

889
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: of you see what you can get out of it.

890
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: But said, don't try to drag the whole world into it,

891
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: because reality, most people they just don't want to know

892
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: the reality. And frankly, I can't blame them. So that

893
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: to me is a massive conundrum, because the one thing

894
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: that would prove Bigfoot is a body, right, that is

895
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: the one thing that everyone would be forced to say, Okay,

896
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: this thing is real, and every skeptic there's ever been,

897
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: if you have enough scientists look at the thing, do

898
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: an autopsy. You know, all the genomic research realized, Wow,

899
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: this thing is real, but you know, being afraid of

900
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: the consequences of finding one of those things. Trying to

901
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: put those two concepts together is, uh, that's fascinating. What

902
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: do you think even if you're just spitballing, what do

903
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: you think that secret is that would be so scary?

904
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: Like it? Do you no? Or do you think you know?

905
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: But I can say that that at some point in

906
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: in a person's life, if you're looking into these and

907
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: st a lot of researchers get to this point, you're

908
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna come to a ye in the road.

909
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Do you want to get

910
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: the proof that these things are real? Or do you

911
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: want to go to the left? Do you want to

912
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: learn where they come from? What they're doing here? How many?

913
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: Why are they here? Why do they do the things

914
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: they do? You're either gonna have to let the proof

915
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: thing go. Just let it go, man, because you know

916
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: most of your friends know, you know, the higher ups

917
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: in the government know it's real. So most of the

918
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: people that read to accepted they already know Bigfoot's real.

919
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: So that's already done. Now let's get onto the real work.

920
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: Let's find out why they here, what are they doing here?

921
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: How do they get here? Why don't we find them

922
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: in the fossil records? Why aren't we why don't we

923
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,959
Speaker 1: find more events? All these things we discussed, it really

924
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: leads to something to um Seth. Breed Love just released

925
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: a new film called The moth Man of Point Pleasant Sweet.

926
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: So I've been following the moth Man phenomenon because very

927
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: similar to Bigfoot. Not exactly the same, but it's very similar.

928
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: And uh I sat and watched some of his witnesses,

929
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: and it's just like watching a big Foot witness they're

930
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: telling you what they saw. It wasn't a fleeting shadow.

931
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: It was chasing them down in their car. It was

932
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: flying over their car. These were just regular honest people

933
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: telling you. You swear they were telling you a Bigfoot story,

934
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: but they're telling you instead this thing was flying chasing

935
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: it with glowing red eyes, which actually Bigfoot has been

936
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: described as having glowing red eyes, having nothing to do

937
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: with light. It just makes them glow. So you have

938
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: to take some of these creature stories that have gone

939
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: through our folklore, which maybe aren't folklore, that have very

940
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: solid witness reports, evidence, footprints, and you have to start

941
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: to ask yourself, where in the hell are these things

942
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: coming from? And you you'll arrive to a very unpleasant

943
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: and unconventional answer that they're not from here. They don't

944
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: live here. There's no moth man. We don't have a

945
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: off man breeding system thing out in the woods somewhere.

946
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: These things aren't mating. They don't live here. And I'm

947
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: starting to entertain the thought that Bigfoot's they're not here

948
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: all the time. They're just here some of the time.

949
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: And Rona moorehead is hidden nail. When he talked about

950
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: these quantum physics, about these certain animals being able to

951
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: cross veils of reality or dimensions. People call it supernatural,

952
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: some call it woo, some call it um. They have

953
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: other names for it. But all it really is is

954
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: just science we don't understand yet. It's all it is.

955
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: It's and and everything is every science that we understand now.

956
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: At some point in the past, it was it was

957
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: woo or supernatural. It was science. We didn't understand that.

958
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: People were afraid of it. People were burned to the

959
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: steak because people we're talking about things that they understood

960
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: that the rest of the world. Didn't You're a witch?

961
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: Were burning you, which is pretty much what's going on

962
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: now with a lot of of professionals talk about Bigfoot.

963
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: So it's just science we don't understand yet. And Um,

964
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't have my thumb on it yet. I'm still

965
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: old dig in. I've got theories. I've got some really

966
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: good friends, very smart friends, that have their theories. We

967
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: kind of have this little brain, this brain mal we

968
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: all get together and share ideas and we all learned

969
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: from each other. But but like I said, I really

970
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: think that the closer you get to the answer to this,

971
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: the less people you have to tell. And I really

972
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: appreciate what you say about science we don't understand yet.

973
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: It's one of I think it refers to one of

974
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: the Arthur C. Clark quotes that we we find ourselves

975
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: going back to a time and again on the show,

976
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: which is um, science past a certain threshold is indistinguishable

977
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: from magic, you know, to the average person and to

978
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: and to um. There's a nice dovetail between what you

979
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: just said and Knowle's earlier questions about lifespan, because if it,

980
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: if it is life form that is somehow out of

981
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: phase with reality. As we know it. Then it may

982
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: also be encountering time and a different scale. That's just

983
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: me spitballing, like I just I'm winging it, not completely agree.

984
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: So I do want to ask, also, you mentioned, uh,

985
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned another cryptid, and I wanted to step outside

986
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 1: of just the context of Bigfoot into um this sord

987
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: zoology in general. Do you think there are other, um

988
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: quote unquote cryptids that have a credible chance or or

989
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: a possibility of being real organisms? And if so, which ones?

990
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's just so many. Um. I definitely

991
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: think there's uh, this flying humanoid phenomenon that's been happening

992
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: for been a reporter for past sixty seventy years. I

993
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of ability to that, especially when

994
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: you sit down, if you get a chance to watch

995
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: that movie and you hear these people like, oh my god,

996
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: just that right there, Yes, flying humanoid creatures. If them

997
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: things real, let's face it, I mean that just kicks

998
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: the barn doors wide open. Well, I actually got to

999
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: visit the Mothman Museum. End point pleasant. Not nearly as

1000
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: impressive as your joint, I have to say, but hey,

1001
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,959
Speaker 1: it's not shade man, It's just true We actually didn't

1002
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: get to tour the facility. It was they let us

1003
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: in to buy some merch but it kind of got

1004
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: to peek back in and it was just like one

1005
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: little room, but really interesting town and like a similar

1006
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: kind of passion from the guy that ran the store. Um.

1007
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: But there's this bizarre little statue of the Mothman right outside.

1008
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: He looks kind of like a Masters of the Universe

1009
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: actually figure from the eighties, like a sculpted like twelfth Pack,

1010
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: like a weird but there's a lot of time, but yeah,

1011
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: it is. It is a very iconic figure there, you know.

1012
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: And it was one of the full disclosure. We were

1013
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: on a road trip. It was this whole situation, but

1014
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: we we couldn't pass up the chance to go to

1015
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: Point Pleasant. And I think I think it's evited. I

1016
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: don't know how how you felt, but I think there

1017
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: are people who feel it is touristy or ironic, and

1018
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: then there are people who genuinely believe, uh, many of

1019
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: whom are probably long time residents of Point Plus because

1020
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: it's like you say, these accounts are very passionate. You know,

1021
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: someone's not. They have no reason to make this up

1022
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: other than I mean it would put them in a light.

1023
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: Then maybe you don't even want to be seen and

1024
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: if they didn't have a reason to actually put it

1025
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: out there. But ultimately, in the end, they're just accounts, right.

1026
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: So that's that's the hard the thing about finding actual

1027
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 1: proof or physical proof, that's what makes it so difficult. Yeah.

1028
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: I think one of the great little facet's a great

1029
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: little off stories about them off man, is when they

1030
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: talk about these men in black. Yes, they were visiting

1031
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: these these people in the Men in Black visit UFO witnesses.

1032
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: They also visit Bigfoot witnesses. So it doesn't seem be

1033
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: like a whole armor these guys. I mean they always

1034
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: show up two at a time, and um, just recently

1035
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 1: some video was released of two of them entering a

1036
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: business building. We need to talk to a guy. They

1037
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: actually have photographs of them coming the same thing, all

1038
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: wearing all black. But a lot of good people said

1039
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: these guys were just very strange. Um, they would leave

1040
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: people out in the field when they wouldn't change the story.

1041
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: They just left him there. And so um, just that

1042
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: that we act about cryptids. I mean, I don't know

1043
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: our and the black cryptids. I don't think they're human.

1044
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: I think there's some kind of weird hybrid, but they're

1045
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: They're definitely here to keep the lid on the Pandora's box.

1046
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: And that's really what it is. It's that where where

1047
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: the lid is on Pandora's box and there are people

1048
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: to make sure that lid stays on there. Because you

1049
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: kicked that lid off of their all, hell's gonna break loose.

1050
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody, including me, wants that that

1051
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: to happen. So um, Yeah, you really have to be

1052
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: careful about the about what you say, the kind of information,

1053
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: and who you tell. That's why some people come in. Hey,

1054
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: this is my brother Jim from Milwaukee. He thinks this

1055
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: whole thing is ridiculous. Would you convince him that it's not. No,

1056
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: he likes, He just likes. That's the way he likes it.

1057
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: Or I guess the way we're gonna leave it. Ben,

1058
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: you mentioned the tourism aspect of like that Mothman museum,

1059
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: and you know it cut it in some ways relates

1060
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: to Expedition big Foot as well. It's a destination that

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00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: gives you a reason to visit a place that you

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00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: might not visit otherwise, right, So, um, how do you

1063
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: how do you think or how does it affect you

1064
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: when you hear people talk about, oh, that's just a

1065
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: tourist destination or something like that. I'll tell you something.

1066
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: When we when we first opened up, my wife was

1067
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: prepared for the onslaught of naysayers, so she actually wanted

1068
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: me to prompt her and to like, Okay, what if

1069
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: they say this, honey, and then what if they see

1070
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: this whole? And then then what do I say? I say, honey,

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00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: just just let's just see what happens when you open

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00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: the doors. Doesn't this is not somebody running through all

1073
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: kinds of weird scenarios that aren't going to happen. So well,

1074
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: since we opened up the doors, let me tell you something,

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00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: I'll be people that come in there. There are already

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00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: people that they're either on the fence or they think

1077
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: they're real, which completely knocked me and my wife off

1078
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: the We're like, are you kidding me? I think maybe

1079
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: two people have come in. We did twenty four thousand

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00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: visitors in the first eleven months last year. I've got

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00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: two people I can't remember. I'm just saying to be

1082
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: somebody I can't. Somebody had to come in and say

1083
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: this whole thing is nonsense. So I'm gonna say at

1084
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: least two two people came in. But for the most part,

1085
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: people come in. They're excited. They love this kind of

1086
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: stuff because there's so few of these things out there anymore.

1087
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: Back in the fifties and sixties or our mom's and

1088
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: dads were driving around, there's all kinds of neat, little

1089
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: roadside attractions. People love that kind of stuff cat you

1090
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: out of the normal hum drums, same old thing. So

1091
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: there's so much room. I wish somebody else would open

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00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: up another one. I'll wish up another Mothman museum, or

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01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: a lizardman museum, or a UFO museum. I think people

1094
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: love that kind of stuff. It's an escape, and it's

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01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: got to be a family museum. That's why G rated

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 1: movies are still the biggest money maker, and on the

1097
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: movie industry it's always g they're always the biggest money

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01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: grossers because people want to do something with their family.

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01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: I want to go somewhere with my mom and my

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01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: sister and my my and my two grandkids. So this

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: is this and other opportunities should be made available to

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01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 1: go and have fun with the whole family. You don't

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: have to hike up a mountain. Grandma, grandpa, mom, dad,

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01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: and the grandkids could all do it together. We need

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01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: more places like this and places they give homage to,

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01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, history and folklore and mythology. I love like

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01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: any of that kind of stuff that continues those traditions.

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01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: That's that's fun. Have you ever heard of a book

1109
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: or TV series called American Gods, because the three of

1110
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: us have been watching the series and you never heard

1111
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: of this. No, okay, it's fantastic. Neil Gaiman. Guy, he's

1112
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: an author, and it's in this story. One of the

1113
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: concepts that central to the plot, in the theme is

1114
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: that God's exist in this In this instance, we're talking

1115
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: about everything from Odin to Leprikaans and Faye people too. Yeah,

1116
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: if freats all this kind of stuff. It's mythological in

1117
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: a way. But one of the main tenance is that

1118
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: they only exist because people believe in them. But they

1119
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: really do exist because people believe in them. And I

1120
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: wonder if Bigfoot in some way is like this because

1121
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: we believe because you know, some people believe it is

1122
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: a truly a thing. Is this going way way about.

1123
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: This is an interesting idea, pretty wild man. No I

1124
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: love it, No, No, I mean, but but maybe it's

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01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: if we want to ground it more in some sort

1126
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: of pseudo reality. Maybe it's about whether or not they

1127
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: choose to come back or not. Right like, so we're

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01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: talking about they're blipping in and out of this reality

1129
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: or you know, this dementia, and maybe that is that

1130
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: there's some some force that keeps them coming back. And

1131
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: maybe it's some palpable version of what you're talking about,

1132
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: or maybe it's just like they go to wherever they're

1133
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: originally from and say, just get back from Earth, the

1134
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: search for intelligent life continues, or they just get bored

1135
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: and they're hanging out here because it's a little different.

1136
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: I have one I have one big question that I

1137
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: think a lot of people have on their mind right now.

1138
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: And I wish we could get to more stuff, but

1139
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: I know we may be close to the end of

1140
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: the show. Uh So the question that if it's okay

1141
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: with you guys, I would like for us to close on,

1142
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: is to ask you what is the future of Bigfoot what?

1143
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: Because we had mentioned before, um, you know, there were

1144
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: concerns from some of your colleagues in the community about

1145
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: the effect of human encroachment upon natural environments and uh

1146
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: why I would like to hear your opinion of where

1147
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: you see both the search for Bigfoot and the organism itself. Well,

1148
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of new shows that there's a couple.

1149
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: There's actually one new show out tailing Bigfoot. I'm not

1150
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: sure if it's still in the air where they want

1151
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: to procure specimens so they can prove to the world

1152
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: it's real. There's a group out in Texas right now

1153
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: called the Texas Bigfoot Conservacy that's doing the same thing.

1154
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: They're trying to procure a specimen to a shooting ko

1155
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: one bringing out show the whole world it's real. But

1156
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: my personal opinion is that what we should do is

1157
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: just continue what we're doing. Stop. That's the last thing

1158
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: we should do, is to prove to the whole world

1159
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 1: that these things are real. I've said the same thing

1160
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: to my friends. I'm I'm gonna say it right now.

1161
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: The first thing that's going to happen if on the

1162
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: one million out of a thousand chance that this thing

1163
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: ever was ever proven to be real. Number one first

1164
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: thing that's can happen is they're gonna cut off our

1165
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: access to them. No more citizens scientists leave this up

1166
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: to the professionals, So you won't be able to go

1167
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: out that was and try to set ship with these things,

1168
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: or find them, or learn more. The government's gonna cease

1169
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: control over the whole thing by just saying that they're

1170
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: protected species. You can't. And you go on the woods

1171
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: and you're looking for you're harassing them. You want to

1172
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: feed up your harassing them. You make it woo knocks

1173
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: and rock lacks. You're harassed and I'm knocking off. So

1174
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: the worst thing you can do is proved the world

1175
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: the real because the first thing that's gonna happen, we

1176
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: won't be able to have access. Right now, we're pretty

1177
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: much unfettered access to them. So the future is just

1178
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: trying to learn more about them. Don't worry about the evidence,

1179
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: learn more about them because it's extremely complex. So um,

1180
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: hopefully we don't. We're not We're not gonna have anymore

1181
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: proving Bigfoot is real. TV shows. I think hopefully we

1182
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: have a new show that comes out or it's they're

1183
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: not worried about the proof, about trying to get one

1184
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: on film that that when you start getting to the behavior.

1185
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: Why do they do that. I'm gonna left this sound

1186
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: they left me a dead rabbit, or I lift out

1187
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: a bag of apples and left me a mouse wrapped

1188
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: up in the leaves or something. Get this stuff on film.

1189
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: I think people would be just as curious about that

1190
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: because try and spending years trying to get him on film. Well,

1191
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: that's a waste of time. Man. It's very difficult just

1192
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: from from killing Bigfoot's But they're little taglines right up

1193
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 1: about it says they're determined to stop. Oh well, first

1194
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: of all, it's the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Organization, which you

1195
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: had mentioned, the one of the Bigfoot field researchers organization.

1196
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: That's one of the other main ones. So these guys

1197
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,439
Speaker 1: want to stop these nuisance bigfoot from attacking people's homes

1198
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: and property. Uh and including the missions harvesting a specimen

1199
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: one rogue mail will be taken to prove once and

1200
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: for all to science that these creatures exist. A rogue mail.

1201
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: They're gonna take them down a rogue I think a

1202
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: lot of people have been a rogue mail at some

1203
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: top point in my life. David big Harreth, thank you

1204
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show. I know that

1205
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: we have, um just scratched the surface of something that

1206
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: you have spent decades investigating. And not only do we

1207
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: appreciate your time, but we'd like to ask uh. One

1208
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: thing that we like to do on the show is

1209
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: recommend places where the people in our audience can go

1210
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: to for more information. And you've cited a couple of books,

1211
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: but is there any other literature or any other resource

1212
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: that you'd like to recommend to people to. One of

1213
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: my favorite series of books is by Tom Powell, author

1214
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: Tom Pollas th H O M P O W E

1215
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: l L. He's a long time one of the founding

1216
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: members of the b F R OH. He's done some

1217
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: a lot of very important work and if you read,

1218
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: he's got three books out right now. One of my

1219
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: favorites is um the Locals God, just excellent book. Just

1220
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: reading that one book as a matter of because there's

1221
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: so many you just can't read them all. I think

1222
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: just reading that one book, we'll give you a honest,

1223
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: fourth right and objective you into the Bigfoot phenomenon. Fantastic,

1224
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And where can people where can

1225
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: people find more information about? Uh? You? David Vicara and

1226
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: Expedition Bigfoot. You can find us on the web at

1227
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: the Expedition Bigfoot. We've got an app, a website and

1228
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 1: a Facebook page. You can all people post all kinds

1229
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: of pictures on There's funny. A lot of museums don't

1230
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: let people take pictures, but people are so excited. It's

1231
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: the first thing they ask, can you take pictures? I

1232
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: just didn't have the heart to tell him no, so

1233
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: I and uh, I think people are relieved it. Yes,

1234
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 1: you can come in. There's all kinds of pictures post

1235
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: on us. You have an idea as to what you

1236
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: can expect. There's nothing scary in there. A lot of

1237
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: kids come in. It's funny because we have the music

1238
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: plane and they get nervous. You can see the trepidation

1239
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: as soon as they crossed the threshold, like they take

1240
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: two steps and they stop, like, I don't worry. It's

1241
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: just a museum. There's nothing gonna scare you back there.

1242
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: But it's extremely interesting. I was gonna say that one

1243
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: we took a picture with that one black what it

1244
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: was It was just like, yeah, it was like a

1245
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: knife a toll. Black guys watch that is very intimidating.

1246
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: Not scary intimidating. Well, it's just you know, it's got presents,

1247
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: right Uh, it owns the room and the and where

1248
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: you guys located. We're on Highway five ninety four, Highway

1249
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: five fifteen and Cherry Log, which is about four miles

1250
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: south of Blue Ridge, about eight miles north of l J.

1251
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: And this concludes our episode today, but not our show.

1252
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed today's episode, and we hope

1253
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: that while you are online, uh, go ahead and check

1254
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: check us out to give us a give us drop

1255
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: drop us a line and online missive of some sort um.

1256
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: And you know, if you happen to make it to

1257
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: uh Expedition Bigfoot, send us some cool selfies with the

1258
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 1: big hairy man ape thing and exactly. Oh and if

1259
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: you have stories about your own uh inexplainable encounters in

1260
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: the wild, we are all ears or this case eyes

1261
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: because we would be reading the email. Woof I am

1262
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: within it on the end of the show. Somebody step

1263
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: in and save me. Okay, So if you do have

1264
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: any kind of experience, especially a detailed one, send it

1265
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: to both us and to David at Expedition Bigfoot. Because

1266
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Speaker 1: there's this this big wall in the museum that just

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Speaker 1: has personal accounts. A lot of times it will be

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Speaker 1: a drawing that someone made of their experience what they

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Speaker 1: saw with a you know the whole story right now.

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Speaker 1: We're a response to him too. If somebody has a

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Speaker 1: siding here, ongoing siding in their yard or on their property,

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Speaker 1: we have a team that will go out there and

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Speaker 1: uh investigate it. Awesome. We're not going to prove it's real,

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Speaker 1: because we already know it's real, but we will help

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Speaker 1: you understand it. Fantastic and you can also check out

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Speaker 1: some of the pictures we took from our trips to

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Speaker 1: the museum on Instagram. You can find us on Facebook

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Speaker 1: where conspiracy stuff and conspiracy stuff show on those platforms.

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Speaker 1: Conspiracy stuff show being the Instagram and conspiracy Stuff on

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Speaker 1: Facebook and also Twitter, where you can get at us

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Speaker 1: about any bizarre cryptid sightings. And if you're not into

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Speaker 1: any of that stuff and you want to just go

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Speaker 1: the old fashioned round the new old fashioned round, you

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Speaker 1: can drop us an email. We are conspiracy at how

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