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But you know what, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:20.919 it's good. We our thoughts were kind of sprawled all 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:22.160 over the place yesterday. 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.040 Also very excitable, like we were kind of like the 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:27.440 you know, I mean, I know a lot of times 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.800 we record this podcast, we don't really like think about 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.600 the audience, but we really were just kind of fanning out. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.440 You're like to triple checking me audio. I'm just making 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:38.200 sure that yours is actually working. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:43.600 It is, But yeah, I feel like we have only 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.880 uh more context and insight to gain by going for 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.040 a round two of this discussions. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.480 And I even pulled out my Wicked mug. Oh I 0:03:54.720 --> 0:04:01.400 love it. I love So before we get in to Wicked, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:09.240 we're going to cover a few lingering things that two 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.560 things specific yeah, two things specifically, two different sides of 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:19.360 a queer theatrical spectrum. They're all they're all related somehow, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.640 And this time Fran is not going to spill any tea. 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:28.160 It's not supposed to be said on the mic. Don't 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.240 even don't even don't even have cover your mouth like 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.560 when Kristen China with covered ari on his mouth and Wicked. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:40.359 Sorry spoilers, just what Yeah, we're talking about O. Mary. 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.799 First, I did accidentally say something that I wasn't supposed 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.360 to say, because you know, we're insiders, we're insider girlies. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.720 And uh, but yeah, Rose finally saw O Mary finally saw. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.600 I saw it like earlier this year. When you think about. 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.919 Probably the last person in New York to see oh my, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:07.400 and I loved it. It's so brilliant. Cole Scola, who, 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:13.599 if you don't know, wrote, directed, wrote, and stars in 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:19.280 it as Mary Todd Lincoln. Mary Todd Lincoln, who is 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.279 a Mary Todd Lincoln who is a drunk former cabaret 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.960 star who's married to gay Abraham Lincoln and just wants 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.120 to get back on the stage. It's just it's so 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:35.800 fucking brilliant. I was so blown away by how like 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:39.000 relentlessly funny. It was the fact that it never lets 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.440 up for the entirety of its hour and a half 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:46.600 runtime and only like escalates throughout, and the way that 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:52.760 it captivated this theater full of people who like probably 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.600 otherwise would have been seeing like The Lion King or whatever, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.800 you know, like a mainstream Broadway audience, and they were 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:01.000 fucking living. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.080 Can I I want to ask, because like there are 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.080 probably a lot of versions that like might. 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.120 Never see the show but have heard all about it. 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.440 You would be been hearing so much about the show 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:15.320 when the curtain came up and you saw like the 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.760 first scene or two. Was there anything about like the 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:20.560 texture of the show that you were like, this was 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.080 really surprising. I wasn't expecting this, not not really that 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.360 it was surprising, because you know, I know Cole. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.800 I've known them for a long time at this point, so. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.240 You understand the comedic dissibility is very specific. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:38.680 Yeah, I know, I know Cole's you know, vibe and aesthetic, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.720 and I've seen them do so many different things, so 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.640 that everything that is in A Mary makes so much 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.880 sense because it's all pulling from Cole's long career, as 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.560 you know, like an erstwhile New York Cabaret, Muse and Diva. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.919 Cole is very like a if you know, you know, 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.040 kind of comedy girl and now every comedy many more people. No. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.479 Yeah, so I wasn't surprised that I wasn't surprised necessarily 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.640 by the content of it. I was just surprised, and 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.320 I wasn't even surprised by how good it was. I 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:15.560 was just so delighted to see what they've been doing 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.600 for so long on this massive scale and get so 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.320 much buy in from the audience. Well they wrote it 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:24.280 like ten years ago. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.960 Yeah, you know, and it's it's I want to know 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.920 what the fuck it took to get Broadway to buy 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.360 into a really fucking crazy idea. 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:33.880 I don't know if it's like, well had a really 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.160 successful off Broadway, right, were right? 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.000 Like, I think my one of the things that I 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.480 was most enthralled about from the show is that it 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.400 is as successful as it is because there's so many 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.520 people that my look at what the show is made 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.880 up of and be like, oh, that's so niche. It's 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:53.560 like absurdist, it's very faggoty, very non bindary, you know whatever, 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.360 like and I kind of loved that. It's a it 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.520 is the best thing on Broadway. It will the most 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.680 expensive thing. Yeah, it will sweep the Tony. It deserves, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.160 you know, the recognition it gets. And I just hope 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:10.160 that like Broadway continues to like take risks like this. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:15.840 Yeah, and you watching the show, it's not in any 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:22.840 way pandering to the mainstream Broadway audience. It's being exactly 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:28.840 what it is. In this really like transgressive, hilarious way, 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:33.520 and the fact that it has been so successful is 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.640 by design of its humor, not by design of its pandering. 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.840 Right, It's like it's like transgressive, but it's like also 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:47.000 so stupid. It's like not interested in like it has 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.840 no commentary whatsoever, like which I love. No serious there's 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:55.600 no serious moment where you know, Mary Mary realizes yeah, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.520 like deals with her trauma, her addiction, Like. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:00.560 Oh, there's there's thing like that. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.000 And I, I mean the other another reason why I 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.440 mean I I I think I said when we in 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.800 our last record like that, it reminded me a little 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.559 bit of like slave play, which is kind of like 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.800 that's a silly that's like a really bizarre comparison, but 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.360 like because they have nothing to do with each other. 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.559 But I think what I was kind of thinking about 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:24.719 is like how Jeremy O. Harris and Cola Scola are 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:29.280 now both like it girls, and when has there ever 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.880 been a play? Right girl? 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:37.160 You know what I mean? Arthur Arthur Miller married married 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.640 Marilyn Monroe. Right, yeah, yeah, I was, Yeah, That's what 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:40.120 I'm saying. 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.160 Though that's a long time ago, and it's kind of 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.439 like I it makes me hopeful for the theater, especially 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.920 since Hollywood is on the deep down decline, you know 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.480 what I mean, like they're making so much less less shit. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.240 I just I hope that people can I hope that 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:59.760 Broadway producers can see novelty instead of things that are 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:04.440 just like adapted existing ip I mean. 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:07.080 Obviously linked Abraham link, it's like an existing i PA. 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.760 But also I mean, I think you said yesterday that 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.120 you know, Cole didn't do any research on Mary Todd 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.080 Lincoln going into this, which I love. It really is 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:21.800 just as if Countess Luanne was the first lady during 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:23.800 at the end of the Civil War. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.920 Yeah, she she honestly she she would be she would 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:29.560 have a great run as O Mary. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.920 Yeah, I I if you're not aware. 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.120 Also, like there are snippets of of of Mary Todd 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.280 Lincoln in this show that are like taken from Cole 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.439 as a persona because Cole used to do cabaret. Cole 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.040 is like sober, they're like just they're just funny ways 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:50.640 that just Cole really bodied this performance. And oh my god, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.120 the finale. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.640 Finale is amazing for okay, spoilers for a Mary spoilers. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:56.520 Mary. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.360 The show ends with so Mary Todd Lincoln's gay huh been. 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.400 Abraham Lincoln has tried to distract her with acting classes 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:06.560 from John Wilkes Booth, who it turns out is his 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.840 secret lover. And when Mary finds all this out, she 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.320 is the one who shoots Abraham Lincoln and blames it 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.800 on John Wilkes Booth. And then the show ends with 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.120 this sort of like fever dream of a cabaret number 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.640 with Mary Todd Lincoln doing She'll be coming around the 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.040 Mountain when she comes low lo La. She was a 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:29.160 show girl, and it's like very like Carol Channing. It 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.680 is just like it's such a like a victory lap 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.800 because the whole show, Mary Todd Lincoln has been talking 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.880 about being a cabaret star, but until then it has 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:42.760 resisted the impulse to have her actually do a musical number. 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.120 And if you don't have that final number, like, the 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.600 show is still incredible, Like it could have ended with 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:52.400 her shooting Abraham Lincoln and it would have been fine, Yeah, 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.960 But then Cole gets to come out and do this 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:01.280 like essentially Encore a mashup, Yeah, and it's just so incredible. 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:06.120 I love to see them getting their flowers. We will 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.000 be you know, campaigning during Tony season. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.360 Did you ever did you ever google or like look 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:15.720 at the Wikipedia for the lyrics of Copa Cabana. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:17.360 No, it was It's. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:21.040 Literally like the Lola the Showgirl. It's like it actually 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:23.400 tells like a really we should look at it right now. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.679 It actually tells like a really dark and like sad 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:31.320 story about like a show girl that is like, you know, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.920 she's like past her prime and she like won't leave 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.080 the club, and she's like an alcohol It has like 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.120 bizarre similarities to like the oh Mary story. I had 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.360 never really listened to fucking Coba Cabana and thought, wow. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.439 Show girls are a dark entity. Yes, that's true. I'm 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:52.360 excited for that, the Pamela Anderson movie, The Last show Girl. Oh, 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.400 but I also feel like it might not be good. Well, 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:56.559 which Copola. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:59.880 Is doing it again, I'm not Sophia not so fac Cobla, 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.280 which I don't know. I've never seen any of her, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.720 I've never heard of her before. I'm sure no offense. 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:05.880 I'm sure it will be bad. 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.480 But yeah, so this so this was a very good 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.440 theatrical experience. Let's talk about a very bad theatrical experience, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:20.160 which was you finally watched the second half of Amelia. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.040 Perez Amelia Perez, I feel like, I I mean, it's 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.600 funny that we're talking about these back to back because 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.280 something that like oh Mary is. Something that's really beautiful 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.200 about the reception of oh Mary is that because it's 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.520 just like a good motherfucking story. It like hasn't been 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.880 relegated to like the LGBT like pride representation space, Like 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:43.800 people aren't talking about it like in ways that are like, oh, 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.120 like inclusivity is so important. 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.560 It's like there's nothing tokenized about Cole or about no 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.720 Meal's identity is so secondary to them just being an 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.280 incredible creator. It doesn't show up like the text of 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.640 non binary Noess does not that doesn't show up in 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.480 the play at all. That's it's not like, I mean 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.800 other than outside of that performance itself, but like it's 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.840 not like a part of the narrative, and it hasn't 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.640 really been part of the narrative of the marketing of 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.640 the play, which is amazing. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.160 Like I love that it just gets to be itself. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.640 I think that that actually people that market things like 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.880 don't ever want to give things with queer people in 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.240 it a chance for it to actually just be a 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:23.800 good story. 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.440 I just find an audience based on its own. 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:32.080 Merits, and Amelia Perez like did exactly that, which is 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:36.359 like they they're just like, oh, trans trans trans trans 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.240 you love it, don't you? Can Film Festival and Can 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:40.080 Film Festival is. 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:45.600 Like three awards for every single actress in this movie. 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:51.200 Congratulations trends, Like I do think I think Zoe Saldana 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.640 is good with what she has to work with. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.640 I think the actress who plays Amelia Perez is good 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.280 in a fucking awful role. I mean, this whole movie 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.040 and specifically Amelia Prez's story, which is the whole story 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.640 is huge megaflop due to Kaka. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.800 Yeah, I mean, I have more to say about Carlo 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.040 Sevia Guescom, but let's for the virgins, Like, let's give 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.800 an overview of the plot. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.600 It's about a cartel leader who enlists the help of 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:25.800 a lawyer to disappear from the world and transition in secret, 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.560 fake her own death, and she comes back and wants 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.640 to be with her family again, so she has them 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.200 move in with her, and then she also starts this 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:39.320 nonprofit organization to find the bodies of people all over 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:45.120 who have been, you know, disappeared by the cartels and 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.640 why is it a musical? And then she and at 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.160 the end she dies and literally becomes a saint. They 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.360 catch her, they carry a statue of her around, which 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.320 is kind of like the I mean, the biggest problem 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.560 of this movie for me is that it's just not good. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.560 But then the secondary issue is that it is such 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:11.720 a dangerous depiction of transness because it shows why identity 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:15.400 politics are so bad, and that it takes this evil 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:21.120 person and says that by transitioning, transitioning is an inherently 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.440 good act that absolves her of all the evil she's done, 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:33.200 and it like totally plays into everything that people who 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.640 hate trans people think about trans It's it is Kaitlyn Jenneral, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.480 it is Caitlin Jenner. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.760 Yes, it's really, it's really and and the thing is, like, 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:47.120 all y'all, if you've read anything online about Amelia Press, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:52.000 that's like negative. Almost all of it is about transrepresentation. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.080 It's about the depiction of trans womanhood. It's about the 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.160 bizarreity of it. It's about all these different things that 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.640 they that are viewed as problematic. Let's just just you said, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.080 let's set all of that aside. Let's pretend that none 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:06.440 of that criticism exists. Let's pretend the representation of transsness 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.640 is perfect in this film. It's still a bad fucking movie. 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.199 It's a bad movie. The music is bad, the music's terrible, nobody, 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:17.439 the choreography isn't good. It's not a good story. It 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.919 doesn't make sense why any of the characters are acting 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.440 the way they do their desires. It doesn't look good. No, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.000 And so then on top of it, you add this 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:32.760 really just like fuck ass portrayal of transness that the 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:36.560 movie would not exist without the whole the movie only 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:41.280 works based on this idea of this woman transitioning, and 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.960 like the way it sensationalizes it, and you know what, honestly, 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.399 if it had leaned into that more, Like I know, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.679 we've all probably seen the clip of the surgery number 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.520 on Twitter, and like, if the whole movie had that energy, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.600 it might have been a better movie. Or if it 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.480 had let Amelia Prez be the villain she should have 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:02.040 been instead of making her a literal fucking martyr, yeah 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.760 and saying that she was perfect, then maybe it would 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.280 have been a better movie. But it's just not interested 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.440 in doing that. If you like haven't seen the clip. 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.719 It's like literally a song about vaginoplasty and they're singing like, uh, 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:19.919 penis to vagina, man to woman. It's like it's unhinged. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.280 And for me, because I am who I am, I 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.040 saw that clip and I was like, I'm really excited 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.119 to see this movie. Like I was excited because I 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.639 was like, this is either gonna be so bad it's good, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.440 or I'm gonna like find something. 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.520 To like about it, and it was neither. It was neither. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:40.960 And like I and all that number specifically is totally 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.639 completely different from the rest of the film, which is 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.800 the rest of the film is really just like kind 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:47.680 of straight true crime and. 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:48.720 The true melodrama. 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.440 Yeah, and to the point of like it's a bad movie, 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:56.159 like the the crime. The plotting of the crime on 0:18:56.240 --> 0:19:00.520 a quality level is like law in Order. It's like 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.320 it's not that good. It's it's not interesting. It's it's 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.320 really really like like just it's you know, I don't 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:12.240 even understand why I'm fucking Zoe's Heldonia is the protagonist 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.480 of this film, as you said, like none of their 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.480 stakes in the story makes sense. I don't understand why 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.679 she even like wants to like commit to like helping 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:22.160 this cartel leader transition. 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.600 I mean I get that, because I don't think she 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.800 does it for you know, like altruistic reasons. I think 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.239 she does it because she is a lawyer in this 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:33.040 really fucked up legal system and sees the people around her, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.720 you know, working with bad people and becoming really rich 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.080 because of it, and so when the opportunity is presented 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.639 to her, she just decides to run with it. I 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.600 think what I have a bigger problem with is that 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:49.400 somehow she and Amelia Perez become best friends, which either 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.480 and because she is our point of view character, we're 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.360 supposed to have this buy into her idea that Amelia 0:19:55.400 --> 0:20:01.200 Perez is this good, noble, self sacrificing woman, when in fact, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.320 all we do is see her make terrible choices that 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.639 her people. And then I think, in my least favorite 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:12.160 scene in the entire movie, so her so Amelia Perez's 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.679 wife played by Selena Gomez, you know, moves into the 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.679 home with her. You know, she's told that she's a 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.720 cousin of her husband, and when she wants to leave 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.080 to be with her, the man that she cheated with, 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.240 Amelia like throws her down on the bed and gets 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.160 on top of her and threatens her in a voice 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.600 that is very clearly supposed to be masculine, and it's 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:41.359 supposed to be her former self. She switches coming back, 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:45.600 which is so disgusting because it is like trading on 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:50.040 this idea that trans women have that kind of masculine 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.480 violence in them and we're just shielding it with like 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:58.240 dresses and makeup. And this movie is really invested in 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.440 the idea that like Amelia pres and the cartel guy 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.480 are two different people, and that in transitioning, this woman 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:08.560 has been absolved of everything bad she's ever done, and 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.840 yet she can slip back into that very masculine coded violence. 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:20.200 It's just really weird. It's the you know, it's it's 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.640 it's bad. The worst thing about it is that it's 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.800 just a bad movie. And then everything else is just 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:29.480 like shit topping, and it's it's like, and what's hard 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:31.480 about that scene in particular, it's like you can tell 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.600 she was directed that way. You could tell that the 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.320 director who had literally no interest in like trans womanhood 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.040 at all, was womanhood at all. 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.320 Oh yeah, no, was not interested in women like period, 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.560 Like was fully just kind of like there there, this 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:50.080 woman did not know who she was. She had, in 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.959 my opinion, no redeeming qualities. And I think something that 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.840 I for some reason I'm not seeing anywhere on the internet, 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.399 but like I felt immediately is that she is like 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:04.200 missus doubt fired, and like the the like well. 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:05.600 She missus doubt fires herself. 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:10.320 Yes, yes, and the alignment yes, and the alignments between 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.680 these two plots kind of bizarre, like they have the 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.159 same problem where it's like Robin Williams when he becomes 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.440 Missus Doubtfire, You're like, oh my god, he's the protagonist. 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.439 He's good, Like he's like he's like absolved himself up 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.840 everything he's done in as a prior, as a parent, 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.800 prior to this moment, and in actuality he's the villain 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:33.600 and he's violating a custody agreement. He's tricking and gaslighting 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.119 his entire family. And Amelia Press is doing the same 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.399 thing and yet like she's like a saint for it. 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.280 She's a victim for some reason. 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:48.160 But also we're still not We're still letting her use 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:53.800 her new presentation as as deceit as a way to 0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:55.520 hoodwink her family. 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:59.240 Yes, and also like it skips like over the entire 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.440 transition by like four years, and I was like, where 0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:05.480 was the makeover montage again? Like come on, I like, 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.440 you know, I'm again. I'm stupid. I love misstu fhire. 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.960 We love misstau fires. So when I heard the log 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:15.720 line like Transcartel leader like trans like she she medically 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.720 transitions and secret fakes her own death, I was like, 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.600 love that, you know. I love ugly Betty. I love 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:26.160 like really bizarre depictions of trans womanhood. I love trans villainy. 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:28.560 I think that's interesting. I think that's the two point 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:32.680 h of like how queerness can show up on screen 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:35.720 instead of as like what we've always been, which is 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:40.240 like these weird fables or these weird like morality kind 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.400 of like lessons. 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.159 And this movie kind of is a morality tale. It 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:47.879 tries to be. It does have this element of being 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:49.639 like a fable or a fairy tale to it, but 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:54.600 it fails at it spectacularly. Yeah, but not but not interestingly. 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:58.200