Speaker 1: On my high school team. We have five guys make
Speaker 1: the NBA. We had the County Rocket gets some meta
Speaker 1: of basketball. Here are those who come before us, upon
Speaker 1: whose shoulders we stand. It's nothing that you can do
Speaker 1: to stop the competitive and that's just in the water.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special Quarantine edition. We got a
Speaker 1: real special guys. What's up with your Brodie with the
Speaker 1: virtual handshake. I'm gonna tell you something that I never
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special Quarantine edition. All the smoke edition,
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Edition. Huh, how are you? I'm good?
Speaker 1: My why are you? Man? I can't call it? You man,
Speaker 1: just trying to give the people what they want. That's it, huh,
Speaker 1: I said, That's how we do. Man. We got a great, great,
Speaker 1: great great guests. Someone you guys have been asked for
Speaker 1: since the beginning. You know what he might be. He
Speaker 1: might have been the most requested since we started the show.
Speaker 1: We jeez, he's definitely been the most requested. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, without further ado, we're gonna get into everything.
Speaker 1: But introduced Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady. Man, Thanks for
Speaker 1: thanks for spending some time with us, bro Man. Any time, brother,
Speaker 1: I gotta get in studio with y'all, and he did it.
Speaker 1: Any time I see t Macata, maybe you gotta do this, Matt,
Speaker 1: I gotta work on. That's the king. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I have to mention Hell has you. But then once
Speaker 1: he jumps and nigger jumps, possibly can on the jump shot,
Speaker 1: so there's no way you can possibly block. He'll has
Speaker 1: you and then take off into space and shoot a jump.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you all boys, man, y'all be the boys
Speaker 1: for the real ones out there. Man, y'all doing great thing.
Speaker 1: We appreciate that man than you, no doubt um present
Speaker 1: day man, I mean, Jack spoke on the fortress you
Speaker 1: live in. How are you in the family holding up
Speaker 1: during these times where it's just you and the family.
Speaker 1: We're good man, kassa mac my biggest How big is
Speaker 1: that your Jack? Uh? Well he was he was just
Speaker 1: saying he low to somebody like they were sitting next
Speaker 1: to him, and they didn't go walking to the gate
Speaker 1: of the house and they still sat on the street. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what it's Uh. I'm a whole body anyway, man,
Speaker 1: I love to be home with my family and I
Speaker 1: have four kids, wife, and uh, it's uh for for me,
Speaker 1: I tell you, it's it's a great thing for my
Speaker 1: kids because it's making kids who are very extremely privileged
Speaker 1: and have everything that they could get their hands on,
Speaker 1: from toys to uh, you know, four wheelers, anything of entertainment.
Speaker 1: It's making them revert back to the days when we
Speaker 1: grew up. They gotta go outside now and be creative.
Speaker 1: My kids is riding bikes around the neighborhood, going down
Speaker 1: to the pond, throwing rocks in the pond. My girls out,
Speaker 1: My girls out in the driveway, you know, got the
Speaker 1: chalk and and right and in the in the driveway,
Speaker 1: they outside with the little uh little pellet gun shooting. Bro.
Speaker 1: My kids ain't never did that because they were the
Speaker 1: video games. They just got other other entertainment. But now, Bro,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta go outside. You gotta create games.
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what we used to do. We
Speaker 1: are we all in the I'm on five ags, but
Speaker 1: we out in the yard playing whiffleball. Never what. You
Speaker 1: gotta be creative, bro, And I love it. That's good.
Speaker 1: W we spoke on it. I mean, it just really
Speaker 1: gives you a chance to slow down, even us as adults.
Speaker 1: I mean you you're still working post career. We get
Speaker 1: on that hamster wheel, we start rolling, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And as money were, fathers were, you know,
Speaker 1: some of use of Mary's whatnot. We still have so
Speaker 1: many other commitments. But now that we're off that wheel,
Speaker 1: because all we could really do is nothing. You mean,
Speaker 1: we kind of take doing nothing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You find the simplicity and just appreciating the small things
Speaker 1: that we're in such a hurry for we always miss,
Speaker 1: no doubt and for everybody. This is affected everybody. So
Speaker 1: a lot of people are on the go constantly, right
Speaker 1: on the go every day. When we were when we
Speaker 1: have some normalcy, Now that we're in this, you got
Speaker 1: so much time to think, to strategize, to do whatever
Speaker 1: it is to create a plan moving forward. Like if
Speaker 1: you don't come out of this with a new skill,
Speaker 1: a new new plan to execute for a business or
Speaker 1: something like that, then you just you lack discipline, bro.
Speaker 1: Bastill right, Yeah, you like discipline, bro. I mean, we
Speaker 1: got all the time in the world to to sit
Speaker 1: back and and and formulate a plan. Mm hmmm, speak
Speaker 1: on it. How do you think that the NBA handled
Speaker 1: the whole situation. I personally thought, like ship got real
Speaker 1: once we realized that the NBA was gonna postpone the season.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on that. No, we Adam Silver,
Speaker 1: I think I Leave does the best job when there
Speaker 1: are crisis. There are situations like this, and we step
Speaker 1: out front and make sure we take care of our game.
Speaker 1: We take care of the league and the players, and
Speaker 1: they do a great job of that. And I was,
Speaker 1: you know what, everybody was canceled. You look at the
Speaker 1: n C Double A. They still playing games. But like
Speaker 1: I was confused. I thought I thought the Ship was
Speaker 1: a rerun When I was watching the game in Madison
Speaker 1: Square Garden when everything has seas and n C Double
Speaker 1: A is still playing games. Were like, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: see that's the problem right there. We get Adam and
Speaker 1: I Leave, get out in front of everything and make
Speaker 1: sure they take care about players. Mm hmmm, special leading
Speaker 1: away obviously. Uh congratulations first and Foremus with your twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen Hall of Fame. No, well deserved, well deserved that,
Speaker 1: my boy talk to us about that. Man, I remember
Speaker 1: that day like it was yesterday. I was, you know,
Speaker 1: the first to be nominated for it was an incredible thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, we played a game to win championships, and
Speaker 1: I never really got that opportunity to win the championship,
Speaker 1: never been on a championship team. You know, you in
Speaker 1: our sport or in sports period, you know, you have
Speaker 1: that window. And my window that I had was in
Speaker 1: Orlando teaming up with a Grand Hill. What I was
Speaker 1: able to do without another All Star in Orlando was
Speaker 1: I mean, it's phenomena to even make it to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But if I had Grant Hill,
Speaker 1: I'm playing for a championship, There's no doubt about So
Speaker 1: that that window for me to when the championship was gone.
Speaker 1: So I go to Houston and I my thing. But
Speaker 1: it was a lot of injuries those four years that
Speaker 1: I put in work in Orlando. It really took a
Speaker 1: toll on me. Once I got to Houston. I gave
Speaker 1: some great years in Houston, but by the time I
Speaker 1: got to a team where we was gonna be a
Speaker 1: championship continued team. When we add a run our test,
Speaker 1: I was done. So I've never had that opportunity. So
Speaker 1: going through my career and then to get that that
Speaker 1: nomination for a Hall of Fame. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe this is my reward that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm able to look back on and and be happy
Speaker 1: and excited about sitting in my house. They called me
Speaker 1: on a Thursday and it was like, we're gonna call
Speaker 1: you Monday to let you know because I was a finalist.
Speaker 1: It was like, we're gonna call you on Monday and
Speaker 1: let you know whether you made it or not. At
Speaker 1: twelve o'clock. So Monday morning rose it around, whold the whoa, whoa?
Speaker 1: What was Friday and Saturday and Sunday Like, oh bro,
Speaker 1: It's like I couldn't eat. Man couldn't I couldn't eat.
Speaker 1: I couldn't eat. I ain't have no appetite, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Because it was on my mind heavy.
Speaker 1: I was nervous. I ain't gonna lie. Damn okay, bro
Speaker 1: right on the dot Monday morning, Monday afternoon, my phone
Speaker 1: ring and I see cal Ir d and it says
Speaker 1: Nate Smith Basketball Hall of Fame and honed by myself right,
Speaker 1: and he was like, I just want to let you
Speaker 1: know that you made it to the basketball saying, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Overport with emotions just started tearing up.
Speaker 1: I was trying to find somebody to call. I was,
Speaker 1: I was so just emotional distract I'm opening up my
Speaker 1: phone trying to go to the damn um contact which
Speaker 1: I'm opening up the weather app. I'm opening up kind
Speaker 1: of happening. I can't think, Bro, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So my wife wasn't there. I wouldn't tell her first,
Speaker 1: but she was doing the events. So I just started
Speaker 1: calling people and letting them know, uh, my family, But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was that. That was my championship. You know, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all boys sports enough to win championships, man, And I
Speaker 1: wish I could experience that, but you know, this is
Speaker 1: my championship. But you were something. I think you're someone
Speaker 1: due to injury that I think people kind of overlook,
Speaker 1: so to speak. Obviously not Motherfucker's who had to guard
Speaker 1: your ass, but I think the general public doesn't understand
Speaker 1: how mother fucked like to me during your run, the
Speaker 1: peer best score in the game, pure best can get
Speaker 1: you a bucket whenever you wanted t MAC was that
Speaker 1: because you had no holes in your game? You know,
Speaker 1: tell me where that where? That complete game who did
Speaker 1: you watch growing up? Where did that complete package come
Speaker 1: from for you? So for me, I always was blessed
Speaker 1: with talent. Bro I could have This is no bullshit.
Speaker 1: I could have played Major League baseball. I'm throwing. I
Speaker 1: could throw a baseball ninety plus my mouse power, I
Speaker 1: can hit a baseball. I can throw a football on
Speaker 1: one knee sixty plus yards. Like I was blessed with
Speaker 1: just like crazy athletic ability. I don't think I could
Speaker 1: have done anything else in life, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So this, this is what it was. I tell people
Speaker 1: that if this is this is how you reach greatness.
Speaker 1: So this is how people become great is that I
Speaker 1: was blessed with that talent. So if you take me
Speaker 1: that never played the game of basketball, and you take
Speaker 1: somebody that plays the game, works hard every day and
Speaker 1: they tap out at their potential, I could go and
Speaker 1: play against that player and stand out not having worked
Speaker 1: at all, because I was blessed. God give it talent,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So for so that player
Speaker 1: has tapped out and I'm on that level with him,
Speaker 1: all I gotta do is work my ass off to
Speaker 1: elevate way above them. And that's what I did. I
Speaker 1: just I watched Kobe when we was younger high work
Speaker 1: and he told me a long time ago, it was
Speaker 1: like we were seen age. Bro. He was like, why
Speaker 1: would you play pick up ball? He was like, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get that many shots to pick up game.
Speaker 1: He was like, work on your skills because we was
Speaker 1: in Paris. He told me this movie was in Paris
Speaker 1: on the trip, a Diader's trip. It's like, bro, don't
Speaker 1: play pick up ball. Work on your skills. And I
Speaker 1: promise you that ship is gonna pay off because you
Speaker 1: go play pick up ball, you're gonna get, you know,
Speaker 1: a few shots here when you could go and work
Speaker 1: on your skills every day and put up five thousand shots.
Speaker 1: And I never and I never played pickup ball, and
Speaker 1: I worked on my skill, my footwork and everything. Shout
Speaker 1: out to my boy many Absolutely, we definitely. We we yeah,
Speaker 1: we want to touch on that and really touch on
Speaker 1: some stuff because we know you guys are close. You
Speaker 1: guys came in pretty much the same time in similar
Speaker 1: starts to where it took you a couple of years
Speaker 1: to get your to really get on the court. It
Speaker 1: took Cold a couple of years to get on the court.
Speaker 1: But like you kind of said, you guys are both
Speaker 1: the Didas guys, both young and out of place and
Speaker 1: really had to lean on each other. Talk to me
Speaker 1: more about your guy's relationship. So because we were, you know,
Speaker 1: both Adada's guys and both made the jump from high
Speaker 1: school to the pros, it was an opportunity for me
Speaker 1: to go out there and just be around Code uh
Speaker 1: in l A. And I went out to l A.
Speaker 1: I stayed with him in the house with him and
Speaker 1: his parents. Mom used to fire out that, you know,
Speaker 1: fried chicken boys and Mcarroony achieved I would eating good
Speaker 1: at that boy house. Man he had he had chores
Speaker 1: and everything. But shut h. He was out there, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But to be around Cold at nineteen years old, Bro,
Speaker 1: you would have thought Code had been here before and
Speaker 1: been around um, you know, the greats of the game.
Speaker 1: Because his mindset was so different, Bron then I ever
Speaker 1: experienced that, ever seen anybody at nineteen years old like
Speaker 1: this man really and truly thought he was better than
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, was gonna be better than Michael Jordan's. Thank
Speaker 1: you to Mac. You know what I'm saying. And at
Speaker 1: the time I'm looking at my Dog. I'm like, Bro,
Speaker 1: you're crazy. It's hell Bro for for anybody's team to
Speaker 1: take that as a team. I'm like, Bro, something I
Speaker 1: want you like you're crazy. So we used to watch
Speaker 1: his home his homegrown movies Come Fly with Me Playground.
Speaker 1: Used to watch that religiously bro politic. It might do something,
Speaker 1: Paul remind mimic it. I was like Dog. He was
Speaker 1: obsessed with this ship, karate flicks. I mean, Man, though
Speaker 1: he was different Bro. Going to school, I was like
Speaker 1: Bro and his work ethic just everything just rubbed off
Speaker 1: on me. And how he handled himself. Man, Partying wasn't
Speaker 1: his thing. Like, he wasn't drying to hang out. Nah,
Speaker 1: you want you're going to the club. Ship, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go to the gym. Put up these shots. That's what
Speaker 1: he was about. He was just he was different. I
Speaker 1: learned from him, and uh, you know, he struggled his
Speaker 1: first year. It was Man, the Lakers. The players used
Speaker 1: to mess with Coke so bad his first year. Man,
Speaker 1: he hated it. Bro. And because he took those steps,
Speaker 1: he went through that fire. I came after. I was
Speaker 1: able to lean on him times where I felt like
Speaker 1: I made him mistake of coming out of high school.
Speaker 1: So I leaned on him all the time, man, and
Speaker 1: our our relationship started to do like this because he
Speaker 1: was concentrating on trying to win championships and he sacrificed everything,
Speaker 1: like he cut everybody off to win championship and be
Speaker 1: greatest he possibly can be. Um, And I was over
Speaker 1: here trying to win scoring titles with this Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame class. Like I said, with with Cob and KG,
Speaker 1: who kind of you know, pay the way for for
Speaker 1: your leap? Uh to Timmy, these guys were all in
Speaker 1: your same age range and for all of them to
Speaker 1: go in with this class. But your thoughts in this
Speaker 1: classes and this is arguably the greatest class of all
Speaker 1: time thus far. I mean, for sure, you're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the greatest shooting guards of all time,
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. There's no argument he's the most skilled shooting
Speaker 1: guard of all time. That no argument on that, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, ain't no argument on that. And
Speaker 1: then you're talking about the big fundamental Tim Duncan. I mean,
Speaker 1: my gosh, bro, but that man was able to do
Speaker 1: for the franchise. All he know is when Stack you know,
Speaker 1: you played with him like that's all he do is
Speaker 1: when and in the big ticket, the big ticket, I
Speaker 1: think two thousand three, two thousand four, I think that
Speaker 1: was man. I was like, this man is all another planet, Bro.
Speaker 1: The way he was playing, and he was un guardable,
Speaker 1: unstoppable and was talking ship to talking shit, talking mad
Speaker 1: ship and he probably to me when I played and
Speaker 1: seemed like he shot eighty damn percent every game like
Speaker 1: he was he was unfretartable right defensively, he was a monster,
Speaker 1: timmy monster, cold monster, Like, yeah, this class is crazy, man,
Speaker 1: And it was just it was amazing to compete against
Speaker 1: those type of dudes. Man, that arguably the greatest at
Speaker 1: their position. Yeah, with with KG, a lot of people
Speaker 1: called KG. You know, people call me the heartbeat of
Speaker 1: the Big Three, but they was called KG the heart
Speaker 1: and soul of the NBA because the way he played
Speaker 1: in his pastor for the game. People don't know what
Speaker 1: how big of a compliment that is, Bro. So for
Speaker 1: somebody to say you are the heart and soul of
Speaker 1: the NBA, like that's crazy, bro, KG, Bro, that energy,
Speaker 1: like you can't teach that, Bro. You can't teach what
Speaker 1: he god, this god, you cannot teach that that man
Speaker 1: was just it was so competitive. It's just so passionate
Speaker 1: about the game. Dog like. I looked forward to playing
Speaker 1: against these dudes footing out there trying to guard me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, didis guys? And we used to
Speaker 1: go loving that ship man relish those opportunities, especially going
Speaker 1: against Cold Bro. What that's crazy? All point y'all was
Speaker 1: a didis guys? You Code till Man KG? Well, at
Speaker 1: the time it was just me and because now Code
Speaker 1: was Cold left, it was so hey, thank you Cod.
Speaker 1: I think Code so many times Bro. If it wasn't
Speaker 1: for Code leaving, as I wouldn't have got my big deal.
Speaker 1: I would have got I would have got leftovers, my dog,
Speaker 1: Thank you man with I was next Solo told the
Speaker 1: pot I moved talks boy, and yeah I got that
Speaker 1: big bag and still yeah, I told I told you
Speaker 1: my dog overseas every other month promoting shoes Man still
Speaker 1: to this day, yeah, still coming out with a brand
Speaker 1: new path. He sent me to his boy too, so
Speaker 1: I know that part. That's what tell me we touched
Speaker 1: on a little bit KG. What did seeing them jumped
Speaker 1: to the league, obviously having two different experiences with those guys.
Speaker 1: But how did that influence your decision for your jumping? Yeah? So, uh,
Speaker 1: they had a huge impact on me going to the league,
Speaker 1: and um I was. I was three years in high
Speaker 1: school in Florida and then I moved to North Carolina
Speaker 1: because I wasn't even ranked BRO in high school before
Speaker 1: I moved to North Carolina, and I wanted to. Uh,
Speaker 1: I needed that notoratory because a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: came from my area, they were local heroes. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be that, you know. I mean, we all
Speaker 1: got those people that was the ship in the high school,
Speaker 1: way more talented than us, but they never really went anywhere.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do that, so I had to
Speaker 1: make that jump. I took the chance to go to
Speaker 1: a place to put me on that national scene, and
Speaker 1: I went. I moved to Durham, North Carolina, played on
Speaker 1: that that that level where we competed all against all
Speaker 1: around the country, against the top players. But before I
Speaker 1: got there, I played against lamar Odom at the Adidas camp.
Speaker 1: L O was the truth in the high school. I
Speaker 1: ain't anything. I didn't know anything about him. Being in Florida.
Speaker 1: When I got to New Jersey, bro that's all I heard.
Speaker 1: Lamar owed them sixteen point guard. I said, what sixteen
Speaker 1: point guard? They went on from you six ten. They're
Speaker 1: gonna make your ass a center, bro, he said, a
Speaker 1: six temp man. I got to see this dude, bro.
Speaker 1: Why he was the first player I played at the camp.
Speaker 1: I've seen this dude skipping down the court, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh nice, I got to get it. I
Speaker 1: gotta get like, this is my chance. Like I'm not
Speaker 1: ranked nobody, I'm not even supposed to be here. Bro,
Speaker 1: I was the last invite to this camp. I'm not
Speaker 1: even supposed to be here. I got to have it.
Speaker 1: So I went out there. Bro, I put on the show,
Speaker 1: my nigga. I left that camp. Bro, I was ranked
Speaker 1: number one straight. I can't and got that. I came
Speaker 1: to get who else was there? Who else is that?
Speaker 1: You know what? I don't even remember. Hello was just
Speaker 1: so damn nice. That's all I kept here. Everybody else,
Speaker 1: huh he. I didn't care about nobody else. Bro him.
Speaker 1: I need to see him, So you know, I went
Speaker 1: through that, and then you know, he got the NBA
Speaker 1: scouts that be at those camps and they started throwing
Speaker 1: my name out there. I wanted to go to college,
Speaker 1: but I was going to Kentucky. I took my my
Speaker 1: visit to Kentucky. You had Derek Anderson was my host.
Speaker 1: And I pulled up the Kentucky campus. Bro, and I've
Speaker 1: seen the boys, got them fully loaded Eddie barers outside.
Speaker 1: I said, hollow up, Bro, that's where I'm going. Right here.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go do no more visits. The
Speaker 1: player lounge where they stayed, everything was rush. I said, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm coming. I want no more visits. This's where I'm going.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there my so time goes by and
Speaker 1: playing my season, my name getting stronger, sitting in my
Speaker 1: coach office. He was like, uh, I know you want
Speaker 1: to go to Kentucky. I know you want to go
Speaker 1: to college. But after I tell you this, you're don't
Speaker 1: forget all about that. I'm like, if you tell me
Speaker 1: what He's like, I got twelve million dollar deal for you.
Speaker 1: I say, from Real he said, from Adidas. Oh ship,
Speaker 1: let's sign, I said signed, I say twelve. I say
Speaker 1: twelve million dollars. Bro. He was like yeah, man, it
Speaker 1: was like they want of offer you six years twelve
Speaker 1: million dollars. My college dream went out the window. I
Speaker 1: signed for that bad and that was it. Bro, that
Speaker 1: that was it. And then you know, prior to that,
Speaker 1: just watching KG Kobe slammed, Dug Champion having some success,
Speaker 1: It's like, why not, it's basketball. I want to eventually,
Speaker 1: I want to play against the best in the world
Speaker 1: and on the highest level. It's just an early entry,
Speaker 1: let's get it. Who else were you studying back then,
Speaker 1: like before you got into the league, Like what players
Speaker 1: were you growing up studying and idolizing? Penny was my dude.
Speaker 1: Of course Penny. You couldn't tell me ship about anfrety
Speaker 1: Penny hardaway. Bro. Yeah, kind of kind of similar. Do
Speaker 1: you think that's why I were number one? Yeah? That
Speaker 1: I never knew that, but I know that that's why
Speaker 1: I was number one. My dog that that was my
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan bro growing up. Because you don't think he
Speaker 1: played for the Magic. I grew up thirty miles right down.
Speaker 1: I watched him every single day, and Bro, Penny Man,
Speaker 1: Penny was the truth. Bro. They forget how cold Penny
Speaker 1: would have been one of the greatest players ends I
Speaker 1: had injury. Yes, Penny was a killer. So that was
Speaker 1: my dude. Man, footwork you know passing ability. He was
Speaker 1: he was cold man. So you decided to make that jump.
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan goes number one, You go nine, Jack goes
Speaker 1: second round. Uh forty two. You didn't experience obviously immediate success.
Speaker 1: You know, you had a lot of wolves. And I
Speaker 1: remember it was crazy because you're one year older than me.
Speaker 1: So I'm in college and my mom was always reading
Speaker 1: the papers, and I remember she sent me an article
Speaker 1: on you on how you know you were You're doubting
Speaker 1: if you made the right decision. You're having just a
Speaker 1: really hard time transitioning because you weren't playing. You're in Canada.
Speaker 1: Talk to us and take us back there, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't remember. This is pre social media,
Speaker 1: you know, unless you have someone following what was going on,
Speaker 1: people don't remember how hard the beginning of your career was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you gotta day. You take a kid that's from
Speaker 1: you know, Central Country boy, take a kid for since Florida,
Speaker 1: and then you put them up in in in Canada.
Speaker 1: I ain't know anything about Canada, ain't know nothing about Toronto. Uh.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the legal age was nineteen years old. Man.
Speaker 1: So I get to I get to training camp, and
Speaker 1: I realized, like, this is really my first time playing
Speaker 1: against professionals. So we had a little minicamp in Bar
Speaker 1: Baylors and I'm thinking, you know, I'm eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, all right, think professionals. They could do everything,
Speaker 1: use left hand, right hand, turn left shoulder, turn right shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They could do it all.
Speaker 1: They skilled. Bro. I started seeing some dudes out there like, really,
Speaker 1: he can't do he can't use his left hand, he
Speaker 1: can't go lest, he can't go right, he can't shoot
Speaker 1: over his left shoulder. I started, I mean, because I
Speaker 1: know the game, and I just I was shocked. Bro.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I know what I
Speaker 1: gotta work on. But then we get to the season.
Speaker 1: I'm working like crazy. My coach ain't feeling me at oh,
Speaker 1: bro Man. The time Daryl Walker and the reason I
Speaker 1: think Darryl Walser got that job. I don't know if
Speaker 1: y'all remember when the Pistons played Utah and Isaiah Thomas
Speaker 1: went up for a layup and Carl Malone a cross
Speaker 1: his head and gave him like twenty five stitches or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: he fucked Zeke up. Bro. He came off the bench
Speaker 1: and went at uh. He came up the bench without
Speaker 1: calling when I had a dog. So you know they
Speaker 1: were boys. But dude wasn't feeling me. Man. I remember,
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. We're playing against the magic. Don't playing against
Speaker 1: my dog? Right, I get in the game, Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: excited his head. I'm guarding Penny. I get it still, Bro,
Speaker 1: I go down. I'm women. I'm trying. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: put on the show. I women next dadball, Bro, what
Speaker 1: you're doing? What? Bro? Took me the game? Bro for
Speaker 1: showing off. It's like he was fucking with me like that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that that ship was getting
Speaker 1: in my head, Bro, So that's times that I was
Speaker 1: reaching out the code, like, Bro, what did you do?
Speaker 1: He was like, Man, just stay within yourself confidence and
Speaker 1: keep working. Bro. He was like, I promise you You'll
Speaker 1: get through the ship. So that's what I'm doing. I
Speaker 1: just kept working. And man, who helped me out the
Speaker 1: most was that Damn Doug Christie. Bro. I played Doug
Speaker 1: Christie Man. Shout shout out Christie. Bro. I love Doug.
Speaker 1: I played Doug one on one every day. We were
Speaker 1: just going at each other man, and and that's how
Speaker 1: I was working on my one on one game and
Speaker 1: building my confidence up because I know he was a
Speaker 1: great defender, Like he was a hell of defender, and
Speaker 1: to go up against him every day, I'll be ready
Speaker 1: for whatever. So I just started, you know, playing against him,
Speaker 1: building that confidence up, and we got buddy up out
Speaker 1: of there by all start breaking, got him up out
Speaker 1: of there. Butcher card and took over and ship My
Speaker 1: game went like that. Man, I ain't looked back. So
Speaker 1: that was what that year two or year that was? Okay,
Speaker 1: first year, mm hmm, that's what suck. Crazy. So Vince
Speaker 1: Carter comes in town, your second year comes and takes
Speaker 1: the league by storm. That's was that a rumor? Is
Speaker 1: that real life? Your cousin now we're cousins, grandmothers, grandmothers
Speaker 1: are related. Okay to jump at as motherfucker was like,
Speaker 1: that's that's next level you did that. That's next level
Speaker 1: jumping ability right there. And what this man used to do,
Speaker 1: I mean he sat you. You played against the high school,
Speaker 1: y'all played against the high school. No, but I've seen him,
Speaker 1: I've seen him live in high school one So before
Speaker 1: I knew we were cousins. I played on junior team
Speaker 1: Florida and he was on the other older team. He
Speaker 1: played before me. I played before him and when Florida.
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is this is before I knew we
Speaker 1: was related. I'll play first, and then I see him
Speaker 1: and sitting and watch Bro. I Man, I ain't know
Speaker 1: a human conjunct like this. Bro, this man was going
Speaker 1: up palm and the ball looking in the basket and
Speaker 1: was just dropping it like that. He was going up.
Speaker 1: Then they're touching the backboard and just dropping the ball
Speaker 1: like this. I'm like, oh my god. Skilled. Crazy. So
Speaker 1: I had a good relationship with our coach. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: we gotta get Vince Carter. Bro. We got a good
Speaker 1: and he was the most skilled. And to have us
Speaker 1: too as two wings at that time, mean, it was
Speaker 1: crazy what we could accomplish along with the Vets what
Speaker 1: we had, and we drafted Vince Man. Vince came in
Speaker 1: there and uh, the ship he was doing was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: For that women. He did baseline against Indiana on Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Oh my god, that man, he had us jump.
Speaker 1: He had jumping out of our seats. We were fans,
Speaker 1: so I could only imagine how some of the dudes
Speaker 1: felt that playing against me and some of the ship.
Speaker 1: I was. I was a fan. I know that was
Speaker 1: my cousin, my teammate, goddamn, and I was a fan. Bro.
Speaker 1: He was incredible. That ship was incredible to see what
Speaker 1: he was doing. Then, hey, Ben Bence handles was Ben's
Speaker 1: handle was so underrated. Ben had the handle. People didn't
Speaker 1: know he had some quick stuff with his handle, but
Speaker 1: he had handled dog and it was always under control
Speaker 1: where he hit you with something, but it was in
Speaker 1: control where I know we can get that one to
Speaker 1: it if one too, that's your as you He had
Speaker 1: the big as hands, Bro. He was the big as hands.
Speaker 1: He love it and once he got control of it,
Speaker 1: it was it was no block in this shot because
Speaker 1: he's Elevan. He was then there looking at his balls
Speaker 1: when he got damn St. Paul's. But yo, man, crazy
Speaker 1: just peer skilled people to I got a chance to
Speaker 1: play with him later when he was in Orlando, uh
Speaker 1: you know, not later, but in Orlando probably two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: But just peer, just regular form shooting jump shot from
Speaker 1: half queer. But when y'all bushed the ass in the
Speaker 1: first round, of playoffs, Matt, when we beat the Brakes off,
Speaker 1: y'all shooting left headed just like you shoot right right,
Speaker 1: just peer man. Vince was motherfucking's absolutely so so. And
Speaker 1: Vince helped a lot as well because he reached that
Speaker 1: startom extremely quick. So I was able to sit back
Speaker 1: and watch how he handled himself, you know, reach and startom,
Speaker 1: and it helped me when I reached my potential and
Speaker 1: was able to, you know, being be that type of player.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was incredible. Man. How come you guys
Speaker 1: never got to take off? For how how how big
Speaker 1: could you guys have been if you would have been
Speaker 1: able to hit your stride at the same time with
Speaker 1: with Toronto, we would have played for a championship. I mean,
Speaker 1: we would have faced the Lakers if I would have stayed,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But there was so much stuff
Speaker 1: going on in Toronto with the organization, there was no
Speaker 1: way I could have stayed. And then I mean I
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to You're competing against you know, Orlando
Speaker 1: where I'm from. That's that's that's tough. How was it
Speaker 1: like planning against m j r? Rookie shaking in my boots,
Speaker 1: shaking up shaking in the first time I had to guard.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, this man. First of all, let me
Speaker 1: go back seven MJ them in the playoffs. I think
Speaker 1: they played against the Hawks, right, I'm at the game
Speaker 1: playoff game, Bro, I got an opportunity to go uh
Speaker 1: in the back by the locker room after the game.
Speaker 1: So I'm standing back there. I'm seventeen years old, kid,
Speaker 1: I've never been around NBA players like this or even
Speaker 1: you know, I've never been around somebody like m J.
Speaker 1: I'm standing back their kid and pitcom out. All these
Speaker 1: players started coming out. Mike comes around that corner. Bro,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lot to you. Man had to blow Bro.
Speaker 1: I swear my my dog, that seat is real. KG
Speaker 1: said the same thing. You just feel his energy. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not joking. Mike came out of like, damn, Bro,
Speaker 1: I ain't know what to say. Man. I was like
Speaker 1: m dog as m J. So fast forward. I'm on
Speaker 1: the court with him for my rookie year. It took
Speaker 1: me about the quarter to get over the fact that
Speaker 1: this Mike right. But man, once once it walked, you
Speaker 1: know that that mystique wears off if you around somebody
Speaker 1: for a long tipe wears off, like, Okay, ship, let's
Speaker 1: get it. I damn that had my best game as
Speaker 1: a rookie, play against almost had a triple double m
Speaker 1: hm in front of thirty thousand. You know we played
Speaker 1: in the sky Doom thirty thousand. Mike had him coming
Speaker 1: in there, Bro, and that was a year they had
Speaker 1: what he was one of them teen? Yeah, you ain
Speaker 1: Mike both had good games. That game might have about
Speaker 1: thirty five. He probably had boy twelve on me easy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this Mike Bro. I had to get
Speaker 1: his ass back when he was with the Wizards. Though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all ask thirty eight years old, you're putting up fifty.
Speaker 1: You still got game, but you gotta get this work.
Speaker 1: You gotta get this ship. With Jordan's going down, overtiring it,
Speaker 1: usherings and usherings a new era of wings yourself, Kobe, Vince, Paul,
Speaker 1: Pierce Grant before his injury, what was that new era?
Speaker 1: Like you you touched on you know the end of
Speaker 1: Jordan's era and now we have a whole do different
Speaker 1: type of wings. Tell me what that era of wing
Speaker 1: game was like? Man, you had a challenge every night, Bro,
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about some of the greats that
Speaker 1: ever played the game, all right, man, Paul Cold, Vince AI,
Speaker 1: Oh Ship, Big Dog, Ray Allen Man, Reggie Miller was
Speaker 1: still getting buckets stacked Ship. You used to get buckets too,
Speaker 1: getting buckets, but man, it was it was dog. It
Speaker 1: was a challenge, Brol You really had to bring that game.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no bullshitting around like you're talking about some killers, man,
Speaker 1: some real killers that every night you don't get your
Speaker 1: wrest or, if you ain't locked in, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: embarrassed night. Man. I'm talking about you guys right there.
Speaker 1: They since any weakness or any any type of fear,
Speaker 1: they're gonna damn tell your damn head off. And I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be that. I had to make sure
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Speaker 1: If you watch the video, it showed about Tracy points
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Speaker 1: that Latta, yeah, yeah, yeah, that show about to show
Speaker 1: about six of my year. That's probably how the game win.
Speaker 1: That's probably out the game when I hated guarding you, Bro,
Speaker 1: because I can never block your shot. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to hell you shoot the ball like that. We
Speaker 1: didn't say that ship can never block your shot. See
Speaker 1: if he said the same thing. Look, Matt always taking
Speaker 1: some cheap shots and ship out like he man, we
Speaker 1: have to get aggressive with your especially cause you of
Speaker 1: someone like I said at the beginning the show, like
Speaker 1: you have to hang you, which is unfair because as
Speaker 1: soon as you go for that, you go buy some duncan.
Speaker 1: But if you actually shot, there was no way a
Speaker 1: hell to block your shot because you jumped like three
Speaker 1: ft off the ground just to get your jumper off.
Speaker 1: So we have to try to beat you up. Ain't
Speaker 1: no other choice. You gotta you gotta go and tell
Speaker 1: you gotta go and tell everybody the famous hand dribble
Speaker 1: move that you that you started. Please tell everybody what
Speaker 1: Kobe you got it from. No they know, they know, man. Look,
Speaker 1: oh that was my goal to bro. Cole was a
Speaker 1: student of the game. I was a student of the game.
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes to get better, I'm gonna take that.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying, like, yeah, I took some
Speaker 1: of that, Like, hey, that's how you become great, man.
Speaker 1: You you you gotta watch other people and take this
Speaker 1: some pieces of that game. That's just that's just how
Speaker 1: it is. Man. You'll be a fool not to you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And that's and that's what I
Speaker 1: did that hae double that was just my thing. Bro
Speaker 1: six nine Laura ass and sleep and just rise up over.
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do anything about that. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what takes you know what uses that now
Speaker 1: to perfection. Katie Campaul, George kad though k He's deadly
Speaker 1: with it, deadly with it. Bro's it's star, especially when
Speaker 1: you got quickness, you got that ball on a string
Speaker 1: like that, you got a Jimmy hey man, it's none
Speaker 1: you could do, Bro, then you can do with it. Nah.
Speaker 1: So you're traded from Toronto to Orlando, Grant him, traded
Speaker 1: from Detroit to Orlando, Grant Hill to me along with
Speaker 1: Penny Hardway, Like you mentioned, healthy, Grant Hill would have
Speaker 1: been top ten all time as well. Great is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest players. Was a killer similar to yourself,
Speaker 1: silent about it, just went about his busines this. You
Speaker 1: guys joined forces in your hometown. Talk to us about that. Man,
Speaker 1: I knew because it was me. I don't even want
Speaker 1: to do that order me. First, it was Timmy Grant,
Speaker 1: and then myself, like every trying to get all three
Speaker 1: of us because people forgot that. Tim almost Tim almost
Speaker 1: went there. He spoke like that a little bit too.
Speaker 1: He almost left. But I just found this out later
Speaker 1: that the reason he didn't come, it's because doctor hit
Speaker 1: my guests. The spouses couldn't fly on the plane. That
Speaker 1: was a deal breaker. If that was the deal breaker,
Speaker 1: that's what I found out about. Cried when I found
Speaker 1: that and that and that's a true story. Dog, that
Speaker 1: was the deal breaker. I heard that same story. Man
Speaker 1: I got, I got. I gotta pulled a doctor's side
Speaker 1: on that one. Bro. But but you know it's me
Speaker 1: and Grant, Me and Grant Eastern Conference. I'm excited. And
Speaker 1: I knew Grant had broke his ankle because I was
Speaker 1: watching him in in the Miami series when he was
Speaker 1: getting buckets against him. He was still playing on it,
Speaker 1: but I thought he was going to heal from it.
Speaker 1: But we was there for four years and I think
Speaker 1: we only played forty seven games with each other, and
Speaker 1: it was just it was so sad, man, because I
Speaker 1: knew how bad he wanted to be out there, and
Speaker 1: I knew the potential that we could possibly have reached,
Speaker 1: but it just didn't happen. And and then he got
Speaker 1: he was having search going to bankle and and uh
Speaker 1: ship got infected and yeah, I almost lost his leg. Man.
Speaker 1: It was just it was a bad time for him, man.
Speaker 1: And I'm still trying to do when I'm able to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, it actually gave me an opportunity to really,
Speaker 1: uh come into my own quickly. Then, you know, I
Speaker 1: really wanted to. I wanted to learn behind him, follow
Speaker 1: his league. I mean, Grant the truest professional that you've
Speaker 1: ever come across, absolutely, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: the smartest hell yeah, smartest hell man. It was just
Speaker 1: some unfortunately for both of us. Really for team Yeah,
Speaker 1: Graham somebody who you know, people always acting who I
Speaker 1: looked at coming up, and Graham was one of the
Speaker 1: guys I've padded my game after to this day. I
Speaker 1: talked to him to get a lot of advice from him,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and conversate with him, buy a
Speaker 1: lot of things but when your fourth year in your
Speaker 1: league team Mac, you went from fifteen points to twenty six,
Speaker 1: Like that was a defining year from you, Like what
Speaker 1: what clicked that year? Well, it's just the work man.
Speaker 1: It was the work um that I put in. And
Speaker 1: you really know who you are in the league your
Speaker 1: third or fourth year, you know who he's gonna being. Ship.
Speaker 1: That was just my time. Like I said, Grant going down,
Speaker 1: I had to speed up my process. I had to
Speaker 1: speed up um my bill to carry a team. You know,
Speaker 1: I kind of would have been in the back burner
Speaker 1: learning from him, let him do his thing, learning from him,
Speaker 1: still chipping in and and and you know, my game growing,
Speaker 1: but it had to grow like at a rapid rate
Speaker 1: because he was he was down, and they threw me
Speaker 1: the keys and that was it. It was just it
Speaker 1: was me, No all the all stars. It was just
Speaker 1: me with with some great role players. But you never
Speaker 1: really experienced too much success there. You know, obviously a
Speaker 1: lot of individual accolades. Personally, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: that's when you really define who you were as as
Speaker 1: a bona fide superstar. What did you learn from that
Speaker 1: experience that that it was? You know, like you said you.
Speaker 1: It was you and role players. What was that psychology like?
Speaker 1: Because superstars are look you know, looked at to get
Speaker 1: their team to that next level. So what did you
Speaker 1: learn from that experience in Orlando? Ship that you needed?
Speaker 1: You need help? He said, Look kind of did everything
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker. Dude. What else you want me talking about?
Speaker 1: Was going on against you? Look at that Detroit team,
Speaker 1: he was the number one seed, tough defensive team. You
Speaker 1: look at the Milwaukee team. I played in the playoffs
Speaker 1: with Sam Ray, and you see what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: try to go up against him and you ain't got
Speaker 1: no other potential All Star on your team. Man, Listen,
Speaker 1: you stack, you won the championship. You played with Tim Duncan, Monu, Tony,
Speaker 1: Tony Parker, all stuff, Matt, you won a championship? How
Speaker 1: many All Stars you played with? Four? Four? Right? Do
Speaker 1: That's tough? Bro? I don't give it that. How great
Speaker 1: you are, listen, man, Kobe's to me is the greatest
Speaker 1: of our error. Bro. When shot left he found that
Speaker 1: how hard it was. But I don't care how great
Speaker 1: you are individually. If you ain't got no other dogs
Speaker 1: with you, man, you can forget about it, bro, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna win in this league. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You're not gonna win. That's just what it is. And
Speaker 1: that's what I learned. I was like, Man, I'm getting
Speaker 1: burnt out. I'm doing what I can. I gotta. I'm
Speaker 1: competing against teams that are you know, voted with these
Speaker 1: these all stars and then they got great role players. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I can only I can only win you a few games.
Speaker 1: Man Ship, I'm trying to win it serious, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to people keep keeping getting Tim had David Robinson to man,
Speaker 1: you gotta have a team. You gotta have a great
Speaker 1: players to win. I don't even then. That's just what
Speaker 1: it is. So two thousand and four, you traded to
Speaker 1: Houston for Steve Franciscatino, Mobli can get a chance to
Speaker 1: team up with Big Yao and uh Jeff Van Gundy.
Speaker 1: You win fifty one games first season. Tell me what
Speaker 1: that experience was, like, Oh yeah, that was I mean
Speaker 1: the minute I got traded there, I had a conversation
Speaker 1: with Jeff rank Gunning. So mine you I'm just coming
Speaker 1: off of NBA scoring title two years in a row.
Speaker 1: So I get I get to uh Houston, And the
Speaker 1: first thing he telled me, he was like, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna leave the league in scoring. Yeah, I'm like, not like,
Speaker 1: welcome to Houston, welcome to the team. Like, uh, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna tell you're not gonna leave the league in scoring.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, well, what's gonna happen. So it was
Speaker 1: basically just like, you know, we got a seven five
Speaker 1: seven six dude that you know we gotta get the
Speaker 1: ball to. We're gonna play inside out. I never played
Speaker 1: with a big dude, so it was an adjustment for
Speaker 1: me to play with a big guy. The pace was slore.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had to change my whole game on
Speaker 1: how I went about it. Um, there was a struggle
Speaker 1: in the beginning. I'm not even gonna lie. It was
Speaker 1: a struggle to him. When I got a fast break,
Speaker 1: I gotta slow that thing down. Let the big fella
Speaker 1: catch up, get to the post, all right, he cut
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it was it was challenging.
Speaker 1: But then we started. He knew we had to start
Speaker 1: to put the pieces around myself and Yal and then
Speaker 1: once we did that, we started winning some ball game.
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, it was It was challenging playing
Speaker 1: with a big fella at times, but once we got it,
Speaker 1: Once we figured it out, man, I mean ship were
Speaker 1: great together. Y'all was a deadly colmbo. We played you
Speaker 1: and Golden State, and remember how I had to go out, y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we used to. We used to try to kill Al
Speaker 1: whoever was because I was I'll played that small ball
Speaker 1: who ever whoever was guarding y'all. They was gonna have
Speaker 1: a long knight because we were gonna feed. I didn't
Speaker 1: care about scoring that hit, big fellow, You're going to
Speaker 1: work to night because there was nothing y'all can do
Speaker 1: with it. Y'all have double used to body was sucked up.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even want to play in those games. I
Speaker 1: would get piste off because that was a kind of
Speaker 1: net least to funk with Al. So he would starting randomly,
Speaker 1: but he always started up against y'all, and Al used
Speaker 1: to hate that ship. He did started then you can't
Speaker 1: go on, man, what what what was gonna do with
Speaker 1: that big fellow man? And he had left hand, he
Speaker 1: had right hand. You know about that, bro and the
Speaker 1: crazy shot we would have. We would have faced you
Speaker 1: all in the playoffs. That year, if we had if
Speaker 1: we had the um, yea, we was preparing to run
Speaker 1: y'all motherfucker's asses out the gym too, because I thought
Speaker 1: we had finally clipped, we had finally got our chemistry.
Speaker 1: So we're like, fuck it, we can't guard y'all, but
Speaker 1: there's no way he guarding all of our picking rolls
Speaker 1: and are We wanted to rock. We wanted to do
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, we play. Everybody wanted us if you
Speaker 1: could play small This is what I'm saying. Everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to play against us because in the place, if you
Speaker 1: could go small ball, it was tougher because y'all had
Speaker 1: somebody you know what I'm saying, Yeah, made it tough.
Speaker 1: And Avery Johnson figured that out, and we had y'all
Speaker 1: guard Marquees Daniels and Josh Jot Howard Bro you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He can't and he can't guard Dirk
Speaker 1: no way. How talented was y'all because it was he
Speaker 1: had a quick career. Um, you got a chance to
Speaker 1: play with him for a good chunk of it. For
Speaker 1: his size, How skilled was he? Bro? He was extremely skilled.
Speaker 1: Like I said, left hand, right hand. I felt sorry
Speaker 1: for him at times, because Thibodeaux had y'all working so
Speaker 1: damn hard before every game. Man, I'm like, bro, he's
Speaker 1: gonna wear down like he was killing y'all before the game.
Speaker 1: He was putting in that work. But highly skilled I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, can dribble the ball, can make the right passes,
Speaker 1: not just you know, making a pass anyway, passing on
Speaker 1: target for were you to get in your shot. He
Speaker 1: sees the floor well, left hand right here, and he
Speaker 1: shot eighty plus percent from the damn file line. He
Speaker 1: had it, Bro, he had he was highly skilled. One
Speaker 1: of them is probably most skilled big man at you know,
Speaker 1: I can remember the Yeah, he had the whole package. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then obviously combining with him obviously has helped your
Speaker 1: success over uh in China, you know, gett a chance
Speaker 1: to play next to him, and then being running Mason
Speaker 1: stores together elevated it elevated it because what a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't know. When I was with the Magic,
Speaker 1: I had the number one selling jersey in China. Steve
Speaker 1: Jackson knew that. Yeah. Yeah, So being with y'all, I mean, man,
Speaker 1: it's obviously elevated. You know my brand we played, UH,
Speaker 1: I don't know, if y'all remember the kid Ye Jillian
Speaker 1: or ye whatever played the next war. Yeah, so he played.
Speaker 1: It was a it was a night we played them.
Speaker 1: He was with Milwaukee. Oh don't you know over two
Speaker 1: people watched that game because of him, and y'all, Like
Speaker 1: I mean to million bro watched that game because of
Speaker 1: the two boys right there. So I mean it. It
Speaker 1: elevated everybody's brand that was a part of the Rockets organization,
Speaker 1: not just mine, and elevated everybody. So over the next
Speaker 1: four seasons, man, this is when your body somewhat starts,
Speaker 1: you know, the injury start piling on back, elbow, knees,
Speaker 1: You're you're you're sent to New York in uh in
Speaker 1: two thousand and two ten. Talk to us about that
Speaker 1: injury process, because, like you said, you were sucked. You
Speaker 1: were led the league in scoring. Like I said, you
Speaker 1: were one of the most gifted scores I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Blessed to get a chance to play against you, But
Speaker 1: just from a fans perspective, it was so effortless with you.
Speaker 1: So when you're facing these fucking injuries where you can't
Speaker 1: go out and be Tracy McGrady, what is that like mentally?
Speaker 1: It was tough because I remember, um, I think it
Speaker 1: was two thousand and eight when the playoffs against Utah.
Speaker 1: Y'all is out. He got hurt that year, that same
Speaker 1: year that we had the two game win Street. So
Speaker 1: that season wearing Utah, I'm sitting down in my on
Speaker 1: my couch. We get to the hotels, sitting down on
Speaker 1: the couch, I went to prop my leg up and
Speaker 1: sit it on the footstool. My leg wouldn't extend out.
Speaker 1: I was trying hardest hell, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, bro, what the hell? I knew something was wrong.
Speaker 1: So I went through that season. We play Utah in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. We're losing six games. That that six, that
Speaker 1: game six that we lost, I have forty every every
Speaker 1: every game, I had to get a shot at my knee.
Speaker 1: I couldn't play. So I got a shot at my
Speaker 1: knee after the game, draining all that fluid needle like this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, draining all that fluid out.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, all right, you know, I just gotta
Speaker 1: get get my knee cleaned out and then we'll be good. Man,
Speaker 1: go have shot the surgery. We got run our tests.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, we bought Chip at least compete for once.
Speaker 1: This this is what I've been waiting on. I got
Speaker 1: run our tests, I got shamed at here, I got
Speaker 1: skilled myself. Y'all, we got we got some of these
Speaker 1: young players that have had a half matured. Are we
Speaker 1: ready for it? Go through the season. I ain't right,
Speaker 1: I'm on one leg. I'm still trying to play. I'm
Speaker 1: on one leg. Bro I can't. I'm scared to even
Speaker 1: jump off of my left leg. Everything was right leg.
Speaker 1: So when so we're in Milwaukee, I get a I
Speaker 1: get a break. Coming down on break, somebody has chasing me,
Speaker 1: so I want to go up on the other side
Speaker 1: of the rim and try to dunk it. I got
Speaker 1: hum embarrassed myself at that point. I'm like, I am
Speaker 1: not playing another game until I find out what's going
Speaker 1: on with my knee. We get to the locker room,
Speaker 1: you know, rape for Austin. Rap forgot to sence Kuma
Speaker 1: like he like skill no matter what type of moment
Speaker 1: it is. Skiff got to throw in the joke, right,
Speaker 1: he had to throw in the joke. So he started
Speaker 1: making jokes about ship rowing mad man, Like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: that ship ain't funny. Yeah, I'm said it ain't funny right. Well, anyways,
Speaker 1: after that, I shut it down, man, and I went
Speaker 1: to see a few doctors and they told me, Bro,
Speaker 1: I got some bad news. You ain't got no more
Speaker 1: cartlage in your knee. I don't even know why you
Speaker 1: were playing who up? Cartlage is done. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. We gotta have another surgery.
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, you gotta have surgery. But you
Speaker 1: that have microshopper surgery and Killa Martin Starter. I knew
Speaker 1: what it had did for them, yo, man, which they
Speaker 1: ain't good. At that point, I realized, Bro, at that
Speaker 1: point when that man told my doctors told me that
Speaker 1: that I had to have office stop surgery, I mean
Speaker 1: micro factor surgery, micro factor surgery, it was over. I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't gonna be that dude again. And
Speaker 1: that was the most devastating thing. I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: even tell you how depressed I was to know that
Speaker 1: I'm on this level and then I'm I'm down here
Speaker 1: now and I never never reached that level again. Bro.
Speaker 1: I was hurt, and on top of that, to ask
Speaker 1: you to the fire my playoffs. Struggles is in the past.
Speaker 1: You was bothered me, and then I got an opportunity
Speaker 1: to have success now with the team that we have,
Speaker 1: and I'm not able to be out there with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it crushed me. Bro. So I'm sitting back
Speaker 1: in Chicago is where I had my surgery, and I'm
Speaker 1: watching my team compete against Portland's. They beat Portland's. Y'all
Speaker 1: gets hurt. We play the Lakers the next round, second round,
Speaker 1: we played the Lakers. Y'all gets hurt. They take the
Speaker 1: Lakers to seven games without doing without y'all. Come on,
Speaker 1: come on, Bro, you know I devastated. I was. I
Speaker 1: was out of that, man, I was out of that. Bro,
Speaker 1: that it hurt me, I can imagine. And then you're
Speaker 1: going through all that and you and you're watching your peers,
Speaker 1: You're watching Code, when you're watching Dunk and you watching Peers,
Speaker 1: you're watching Dirk. They all get championships. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Why and why are you sitting there trying
Speaker 1: to get back to that level to play? What was
Speaker 1: that feeling like, Bro? I knew that was devastated. It
Speaker 1: was extremely devastated because I was on that level. Boys,
Speaker 1: winning championship and KG goes to Boston win a chip
Speaker 1: for a ship. I'm like, man, because because before that,
Speaker 1: KG was like he was he was having playoff struggles
Speaker 1: in Minnesota until he got until he got Sam them
Speaker 1: Sales and s Fretwell and the boys, like until he
Speaker 1: got dogs over there with him. He was able to
Speaker 1: make it to the Western Conference finals. But prior to that, man,
Speaker 1: it was like it was tough on him. And then
Speaker 1: he got out of Minnesota and got with some got
Speaker 1: some dogs in Boston, won that chip. Like this, Timing
Speaker 1: is everything, bro and and and that time and for
Speaker 1: me was just that. That's why making into the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame like everything, it's everything to miss because I
Speaker 1: looked back on the ship that I went to struggles, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it was everything. We try to give people a perspective
Speaker 1: not knowing obviously that's devastating career news life. You know,
Speaker 1: this is what we work out our whole life, But
Speaker 1: what is life like off the court? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, in your day to day with your family
Speaker 1: and friends. People don't understand, like how this is our life.
Speaker 1: We've trained our whole entire life through this. And then
Speaker 1: you like you said you were the upper level. You
Speaker 1: were on your way, so to have to deal with
Speaker 1: it on the court. But what was like life off
Speaker 1: the court going through that struggle? Yeah, I was the
Speaker 1: injury struggle. I was depressed, Bro, I've never been depressed
Speaker 1: in my life. I was depressed, man. Um. I was
Speaker 1: in Chicago doing my rehab and I had to lay
Speaker 1: in my bed for eight hours with my leg and
Speaker 1: the machine for eight weeks. It was having the blood circulated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was moving my leg back and forth and get
Speaker 1: that blood to flow at my knee. You're talking about
Speaker 1: depressing at those times. And then I'm watching my boys
Speaker 1: and TV compete without me. I'm hearing I was messed up.
Speaker 1: Never been in that situation. It was all that, you know,
Speaker 1: great thing about it, um, My kids once the summer came,
Speaker 1: because this happened in February when I had my surgery,
Speaker 1: and then once my kids got out of school, they
Speaker 1: all my family came to Chicago and that really helped
Speaker 1: me get through it. But I was up there by
Speaker 1: myself and it was I was I was out of there. Bro.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, after this game, I don't even
Speaker 1: want to play them. More like mentally, I was rejected
Speaker 1: from the game. Well, it seems like you gotta think.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have the world screaming your name one second,
Speaker 1: cheering for you, t Mac, this team ack that I
Speaker 1: got my own shoe on this, on that and then
Speaker 1: and like this, you're all by yourself in the dark
Speaker 1: room in Chicago when nobody to turn to Gone Gone.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You went from m v
Speaker 1: P chants twenty thousand people entertaining after at the highest
Speaker 1: level and I can't even reach that level. And who
Speaker 1: I don't get no chance. I turned. I mean, it
Speaker 1: went from Tea back to Tracy. I you know what
Speaker 1: I know yout Tracy back no more. But but this
Speaker 1: go this go to your credit from making the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, even though you went through all the injuries
Speaker 1: and everything. As far as us and the people that's
Speaker 1: over the game and watch the game, we knew what
Speaker 1: it was. We know what it was, we knew what
Speaker 1: it should have been, and we know and we know
Speaker 1: how injuries happened in the game. But everybody know when
Speaker 1: they come down to it, you Brandon Row and another
Speaker 1: another another other got Grand Hill. Guys that wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been hurt. We already know what y'all would have been
Speaker 1: going down. And yeah, when it's all said and done, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll deserved that Hall of fame. No, y'all deserved that.
Speaker 1: You know what that that's really all that matter is
Speaker 1: that your appears understanding. They respect what we brought to
Speaker 1: the table. That's all that matter. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: y'all had to face me, you know all them nights.
Speaker 1: I mean like, that's the respect. That's the that's the
Speaker 1: only thing that matters to me, is that I got
Speaker 1: y'all respect, no good, no question, no question. Well, this
Speaker 1: is where you're in Jack's past cross in a different
Speaker 1: way two thousand thirteen. I'm gonna let Jack address this
Speaker 1: because I don't even know if he knows how he
Speaker 1: was on the plane when already knows. Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we talked about that. We talked about man. Listen, listen,
Speaker 1: pay on Jack. Picture this, so picture of this picture this.
Speaker 1: I'm in the room. I'm in this. I'm in the
Speaker 1: locker room, in the film room, actually having my best
Speaker 1: practice of the year. Just but they asked a practice
Speaker 1: and Papa's telling me that he's gonna bring the team
Speaker 1: that for me to give Danny Green and a genoby confidence.
Speaker 1: He wants me to say they're better than me. And
Speaker 1: in the time he's during the time he's asked me
Speaker 1: to say this team MAC is already in the air. Okay,
Speaker 1: he already in the plane. He alre on the plane
Speaker 1: on the way to side of time. And so Pop
Speaker 1: already knew Pop, you know, damn well, I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say Jordan's I can't believe he tried
Speaker 1: like that though. But but listen, hey, you know why
Speaker 1: because Pop is one of the smartest people. He knew
Speaker 1: what my reply was gonna be before he asked me that.
Speaker 1: That's why he was already on the plane. He knew
Speaker 1: I was going to walk out. He knew he knew
Speaker 1: he was gonna cut yourself. He knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: make it worse man. He knew I was gonna to
Speaker 1: the walk out. So let me tell you how that
Speaker 1: went out, right, So I remember remember that vividly, Like
Speaker 1: I got out of church and I checked my phone
Speaker 1: and there was a miscall from Pop. Mind you, I
Speaker 1: just been on my couch for two months because I
Speaker 1: just got that. So I'm gonna back up a little bit.
Speaker 1: So once I was done with the league, right I
Speaker 1: went to China. I had to get a feeling back
Speaker 1: because I know if I go to China, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get that love back, that passion back, because I know
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring it out of me right and they
Speaker 1: support you. I want to be I want to be
Speaker 1: celebrated again. Want to see how that feels. Because I
Speaker 1: had to work my ass off to get back healthy
Speaker 1: like I had. I worked so hard to get back healthy.
Speaker 1: It took me like a year and a half, two
Speaker 1: years before I was even paying free after that surgery.
Speaker 1: So I go to China for four months playing the
Speaker 1: older you at this point, not to cut you off, tea,
Speaker 1: how old are you at this point? And I think
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two, yeah, yeah, thirty two yeah. So I
Speaker 1: go over there for four months, sold the whole cd
Speaker 1: A out, sold it out, and come back home. I'm
Speaker 1: home for two months, not working out, just chilling with
Speaker 1: the fans. I come out of church miss phone call
Speaker 1: for Pop. I called him Pop, what's going on? It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: h I got some guys that are injured. You know,
Speaker 1: this is like getting your information, like your girlfriend was
Speaker 1: sucking with somebody else. Type information right down. He say,
Speaker 1: I got some guys that were injured. I need another body.
Speaker 1: I needed to come down. I was like, Pop, I
Speaker 1: haven't done anything for two months. Bro. It's like, don't
Speaker 1: worry about that. We'll get you in shape. So I
Speaker 1: drive down. I didn't fly st because you know, I'm
Speaker 1: right here in Houston. So I robed to San Antonio.
Speaker 1: It's the last game of the season. I get there.
Speaker 1: It's like, Yo, It's like, I can't promise you that
Speaker 1: you're gonna play any minutes, but you know, we'll see
Speaker 1: how it goes. Out of respect because it was Pop,
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I went down there. But I
Speaker 1: was I was done with basketball, Bro, I was mentally done,
Speaker 1: but I respect I went down there. If I get there,
Speaker 1: I'm working playing one on one against boards dal that
Speaker 1: skilled motherfucker man dog boars d out is So I
Speaker 1: don't know that most big, slippery motherfucker. I don't care. Boys,
Speaker 1: dial to Bro. He still is a problem, the most
Speaker 1: skilled person in the job. Yes, so, Bro, So I'm playing,
Speaker 1: you know, one on one against them boys, getting in shape, playoffs,
Speaker 1: roll around. We'll played against the Lakers. Got in a
Speaker 1: little bit point guard against the Lakers. Then we play
Speaker 1: against I think it was Golden State, and uh, Pop
Speaker 1: came to me. He was like, I don't want you
Speaker 1: chasing these boys around. He was like, you know, we
Speaker 1: make it to the next round, which was Memphis, because
Speaker 1: like be ready. I was like, man, I'm ready. First
Speaker 1: of all, it was disrespectful to me that you come
Speaker 1: to me talking about you don't want me chasing these
Speaker 1: boys around, as if I can't play the game. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I may have slowed down a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I still know how to play the game,
Speaker 1: so you can thank you. Yeah. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to cause no scene. Hey, I'm going
Speaker 1: on for the ride. So we get we get to
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. We play against the Grizzlies. Tam
Speaker 1: me on the bus like you ready. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this my whole career. What you're
Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, I'm ready. Don't see the court I
Speaker 1: see them minute. Bro. I'm sitting there like, damn this.
Speaker 1: I can't say nothing that you know, you know when
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you can't say nothing. That's
Speaker 1: when I was out of there because I was saying yourself.
Speaker 1: I am crazy. I am no more. I can't say nothing.
Speaker 1: I can't say nothing. I gotta sit there, like Bro,
Speaker 1: we get to the finals. Man, sat when I tell you,
Speaker 1: the media was talking to me every day like I
Speaker 1: was a star Bro, like they was coming to me day.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, just let me say the right
Speaker 1: thing so I could possibly get some burns something. You
Speaker 1: keep on working. I'm working crazy right. Game one, get there,
Speaker 1: no minutes, gain't too pop walking up and down. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at him just like this because he's trying to
Speaker 1: find somebody to put in. I'm making eye contact with
Speaker 1: that this. I'm like, I'm showing it. I see I'm
Speaker 1: talking about there's about two minutes left for the game
Speaker 1: Bro game over where we're about two. He gonna put
Speaker 1: me into game. I was like, I gotta eat this
Speaker 1: so we get the game six, the five and six.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there. Mommy's struggling. I want to raise my head.
Speaker 1: I've been struggling all year. I've been struggling all year.
Speaker 1: That year they struggling Tony out here about the die
Speaker 1: because le Bro and on him. He tied his head
Speaker 1: and we got another playmaker. I'm like come on, Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I've been waiting on this moment, this this
Speaker 1: flyve on and it ain't s re court at all.
Speaker 1: Bro lost Game seven, flyback, flyback to UH to San Antonio,
Speaker 1: I think popping. I was back in UH in Houston
Speaker 1: next day, like I wasn't even gonna go to the parade, man,
Speaker 1: and nothing. I left. I left him UH two days
Speaker 1: later and I flew to China when it got a
Speaker 1: bad man. That's respect that I had to go down there.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was a great experience. It was
Speaker 1: that culture is is crazy. It's unbelievable how they do
Speaker 1: things down there. Man, I've never seen anything like flying
Speaker 1: back home from the games every night. You got thousands
Speaker 1: of fans out there. Yeah, it was. It was a
Speaker 1: crazy experience. Man. I loved every every bit of it.
Speaker 1: But I wish I would have got some burned though,
Speaker 1: because I could have. I could have helped the voice.
Speaker 1: It came down to one rebound team Mac. It came
Speaker 1: down to one rebound and Timmy wasn't in the game.
Speaker 1: And tim wasn't in the game. But I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: if they would have won that championship. I know I
Speaker 1: was on the team. I'm a competitive bro. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't go through that journey and have satisfaction with
Speaker 1: with that. You know what I'm saying. It would have
Speaker 1: been cool to them to get that ring, but I
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to even even accept if
Speaker 1: we had won that. I gotta go through the journey that.
Speaker 1: The journey is what makes that fulfilling. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You gotta go through that by them. But
Speaker 1: it would have been good to have in your house, though,
Speaker 1: team would have been good to have by all those
Speaker 1: other wards. It's been good to been sitting there, shine
Speaker 1: and looking real good in that box. Baby. It would
Speaker 1: have been good in the house. But not No, But Mac,
Speaker 1: I feel you, not even obviously I wasn't a standpoint
Speaker 1: to who you were, but the culmination of my career.
Speaker 1: When people say you want to ring, I don't count
Speaker 1: that for the exact same reason you said. I was
Speaker 1: playing good leading up. I came in when Katie went down,
Speaker 1: played consistent five minutes the game. Katie comes back. I
Speaker 1: get hurt maybe a week before the playoffs, and I'm
Speaker 1: out of it. The worst ankle spray in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm not healthy until the end of the second round
Speaker 1: where they're already eight and O. So me being event no,
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna change the rotation. I don't expect
Speaker 1: on the chain of rotation. I'm just gonna sit here
Speaker 1: and be a super vet and cheer these motherfucker's on,
Speaker 1: talk to people when they need to be talking to
Speaker 1: and just enjoy the ride. So the fact so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna kind of another We did win it, but I
Speaker 1: feel it's it's amazing to hear you say, because I
Speaker 1: don't count that ring. That ring is still in shout out,
Speaker 1: shout out Raymond Rittard, the best media dude mogul for
Speaker 1: the Golden State Ward. That thing is sitting in his office,
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't count that as a championship, bro,
Speaker 1: I don't want hold on hold on raising office right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I got the best part about it was the
Speaker 1: twins got to enjoy the ride. So the twins were
Speaker 1: from you couldn't tell my motherfucking kids. They weren't on
Speaker 1: the court. They were right up there with Steph and
Speaker 1: Katie trying to grab the trophies and all. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so they got the boys there alway for life. That
Speaker 1: was the absolute best part. And I think you know
Speaker 1: K D, Steph dre Clay, the organ I got a
Speaker 1: free ride, I got a free ring. So that's when
Speaker 1: they say NBA champ. I don't count myself as an
Speaker 1: NBA chair for the exact same reason you said, like
Speaker 1: the journey is what makes you want to say, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I helped, I didn't sweat. I didn't. I wasn't in
Speaker 1: the motherfucking dogholes these dudes. I didn't get to guard
Speaker 1: Lebron and none of these other Kauais, So I didn't
Speaker 1: count my ship. So I feel you. It's it's interesting
Speaker 1: to hear you say that. That's how I feel the
Speaker 1: we competitors, Bro, we want to go straight up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We want to go. I want
Speaker 1: to go through that motion, ride through the season, and
Speaker 1: and and and then get rewarded, you know, for what
Speaker 1: we've been through. I don't just want that ship to
Speaker 1: bend me without no man, I don't mean nothing. I
Speaker 1: don't mean nothing like that. Take take me back to
Speaker 1: when you was in Photius. What happened to you and
Speaker 1: you and Skip Bro? When shot came and knocked the dog,
Speaker 1: Remember that he had like hit kid. He had threw
Speaker 1: a he had threw a dirty shot at mean, like
Speaker 1: like swung in, like hit me in the nuts of
Speaker 1: time down before. So I came down and try to
Speaker 1: try to head set a hardass screen on him because
Speaker 1: me and Skipper Cool he was Fresno State, My AU
Speaker 1: team was Fresno. I've been looking at the skip for
Speaker 1: a long time. But he he you know, he liked
Speaker 1: to talk ship and he had hit me in the
Speaker 1: nuts one time. So I came down and just trying
Speaker 1: to clean his ass out. So but if you look
Speaker 1: back on that, Steve Nash got drugged and shock pushed
Speaker 1: a whole two teams down on one push. So I'm
Speaker 1: coming down. I'm coming down the court right on the
Speaker 1: right side, and I think was coming over to set
Speaker 1: a screen. I'm looking at y'all ran through. What the hell?
Speaker 1: So I wrote? I rise up, hit the three and
Speaker 1: all hell breaks through. I was looking at y'all too,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go and break it up. Steve Nash
Speaker 1: coming there. I pushed the ship out of Steve. They stay,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm falling on top of y'all. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who the hell? I look back, big Feller, He cleared everybody.
Speaker 1: Broke act pushed everybody. You can say what you want.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's don't understand how strong he that big motherfucker is. Man,
Speaker 1: I learned. Man, it was a long time Shot was
Speaker 1: going up. I came over to try to smack down
Speaker 1: on him. The foulon about broke my goddamn oh bro,
Speaker 1: that was the last time I ever tried to come
Speaker 1: down on shot like that. Get about and forearms about
Speaker 1: that big bro, that big dog, that ship right man?
Speaker 1: Who was the one matchup you look forward to every night?
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot in your area, but who
Speaker 1: was the one like tonight, We're going at it tonight.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously you know it was cold. It's number
Speaker 1: one on my list, you know what I'm saying. Of course,
Speaker 1: I give you some other ones that I look forward
Speaker 1: to that was tough. I'm gonna give you some. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you a couple of guys that for me,
Speaker 1: people don't think they were tough to guard. That got
Speaker 1: down Contino, Mobley bro Quick first step bro. I hated
Speaker 1: playing the quickest. I hated. I hated playing against Contino
Speaker 1: Moble Broge Stock of bch hated playing against page stock
Speaker 1: of the back to Jack's he couldn't do nothing with it,
Speaker 1: Bro wet Ball and another one that got the Doren
Speaker 1: Jamal Mash Firm Man Man Monster Man Master Mash was
Speaker 1: a mash Bird. He was a killer, yes sir, yes sir.
Speaker 1: He killing in the business world too right now and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah kill. But that Contino Mobley Bro. I like again,
Speaker 1: it's funny because you can still see Cat Gray bearded
Speaker 1: out in the motherfucker Drew Lee playing against young twenty
Speaker 1: year olds killing, yeah, still killing, killing, and they're still
Speaker 1: doing this thing. And Big Three that motherfucker had game.
Speaker 1: Bro yea man, but you know when I'm your boys
Speaker 1: came along, you know, obviously broad and mellow. I love
Speaker 1: going up against them boys and the Wade m favorite teammate,
Speaker 1: favorite teammate team. Man. I would like to do that, Bro,
Speaker 1: because I played with I played with some great guys. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't like this single one guy out. I mean
Speaker 1: I had some great teammates. When I was I named
Speaker 1: eight m I got eight. Yeah, I can't name just one.
Speaker 1: But Man, when I was in Toronto, Bro nineteen years
Speaker 1: old and I'm surrounded by Antonio Davis Muggsy Bowls, Deep Brown,
Speaker 1: Dale Curry, Charles Oakley, Kevin Willis Man. Yeah, that dog
Speaker 1: and and don't plane rides and the bus rides with
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley. Yes, I've been on something. I'm still a
Speaker 1: teenager with this dude. Can't keep in mind. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: still a teenager with this dude. He puts man, he
Speaker 1: puts fears to me. Bro again legal age in Surrounto
Speaker 1: is ninety years old. Yes, I don't drink. We all
Speaker 1: at the club right, hanging out, all of us. He
Speaker 1: trying to get me to drink, like, Bro, I don't drink.
Speaker 1: He already lit he on. Hey punched me on my chest?
Speaker 1: So hard? Are you bullshit? I'll damn bro no, big gass,
Speaker 1: heavy hands too hands bro Oh he hit me. Hey.
Speaker 1: I eased away from the crowd. I went on the
Speaker 1: other side of the club, and the whole night I
Speaker 1: was watching him. If he came out away, I'm going
Speaker 1: around like I stayed away. Was a different dude. I
Speaker 1: love him like he took care of me and Ben
Speaker 1: on the court like he was. He had mentality. You
Speaker 1: fold one of our boys, you got one of y'alls,
Speaker 1: like he was that type to dud Bro. We used
Speaker 1: to go shoot around. We had to shoot around at
Speaker 1: ten o'clock. Yo, ask better be off that court at
Speaker 1: ten o'clock because you're still on the court. He going
Speaker 1: to the ball rack coaches and all. He's slaying all
Speaker 1: the basketballs at the team. He ain't get him dead?
Speaker 1: Are you not? The players? At everybody here? At everybody bro,
Speaker 1: coaches players, He ain't care. Bro. Oh, it was different.
Speaker 1: So I ain't gonna say I gotta tell you. I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you all this story like Oak was a
Speaker 1: different dude. I'll tell you at nineteen Bro, he put
Speaker 1: fear of my heart every time we went out. I'm
Speaker 1: on the other side and I'm watched. Man. I ain't
Speaker 1: trying to do nothing else, but I'm watching this dude
Speaker 1: to make sure he don't come by me. So this
Speaker 1: just after I tell you all this story, this is it.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say, oh, man, nay, I don't want
Speaker 1: to put him out there like that. So all those
Speaker 1: vets I just named, right, hold up if I know that,
Speaker 1: if I know the name, I'm gonna say it because
Speaker 1: I think I know. Man, No, no, no, I want
Speaker 1: to put him out there like that. Stack I want,
Speaker 1: I want to. I don't want to put him out
Speaker 1: there like that. So we find in Toronto, the Sacramento bro.
Speaker 1: It's the guys, right, the boys got the big bottle
Speaker 1: with that damil. Now, mind you, all these cats drink.
Speaker 1: I think I think Kevin Willis is the only one
Speaker 1: that don't drink. No, he didn't. Yeah, so old plane ride,
Speaker 1: they're drinking like crazy. I'm talking. I got a bunch
Speaker 1: of bottles. We're laying in Sacramento, and oh it's looking
Speaker 1: for the last bottom. My man don't even want to
Speaker 1: drink no more. So he hit the bottle on this seat.
Speaker 1: It was up to the chef. I saw the chef.
Speaker 1: That's my brother, my brother, my chelf. So he hit
Speaker 1: the bottle under my seat, under his seat, walking up
Speaker 1: and down the bus right on the way to the hotel.
Speaker 1: Hey man, wait, the motherfucker bought that? Who got the
Speaker 1: last bottom? Boy? Somebody like part of that? Buddy? Hey
Speaker 1: what you bought that? You hide the bottom? Dog? Oh?
Speaker 1: I was looking around, grabbed the bottom. Mind you. The
Speaker 1: dude is from Sacramento, clean suit. Oh he going home
Speaker 1: to see the fang, trying to hide the bottom. Oh,
Speaker 1: you don't want to you don't want to drink them out,
Speaker 1: all right, mother, you're gonna where it is and started
Speaker 1: and drenched it on it, the whole bottle, bro, bro,
Speaker 1: the whole bottle on my bottle. Hey, but he's sitting
Speaker 1: there like I'm mad as hell, like ready to get up,
Speaker 1: na chill dog, take that you got. You gotta be telling, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta take you gotta eat that dog you got
Speaker 1: when you can't do nothing. If you get and trying
Speaker 1: to try to defend yourself, it might end up a
Speaker 1: little worse than just get. That's why I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta take that it, Yeah, take don't do it, man,
Speaker 1: I'm nice toys, old bro, I'm saying. I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't messing with this too. Bro. But I love
Speaker 1: that cat to death, though, man, because I know he
Speaker 1: tried to die for you. Bro. Yes, high school journey,
Speaker 1: you jump in, you get a nice deal. What was
Speaker 1: it like to finally have your own shoe, your custom shoes?
Speaker 1: So I'm wearing the host in college shout out to
Speaker 1: math from wearing the mac man, Yeah I got yeah,
Speaker 1: I had them on the college. Yeah. Nah. It was
Speaker 1: a great thing because you know, I grew up wearing
Speaker 1: my idle shoes, Penny wearing Jordan's wearing pips. You know,
Speaker 1: being out on the black top pooping in your your
Speaker 1: favorite player's shoes. I mean that that was something special.
Speaker 1: And then to know I have my old and see
Speaker 1: your kids do the same. Hey, man, it was I mean,
Speaker 1: what can I say? Man? God is good? Bro s good?
Speaker 1: It was. It was a thing to see. And then
Speaker 1: you you look back and see guys like running high
Speaker 1: school wearing your shoes. Man, my mom made it, Mama,
Speaker 1: My mom made it. Though. Who's one guy you wish
Speaker 1: you could have teamed up with in your career? Anybody? Oh,
Speaker 1: everybody want to play with? Everybody play with? Shock of
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. Shack of Tim Duncan. I knew I was
Speaker 1: gonna win either. Could you imagine if Timmy would have
Speaker 1: came to Orlando with him and g Hill who Hill
Speaker 1: stay healthy? That would have been That could have been
Speaker 1: a dynasty. That was a big three right there. That
Speaker 1: was a big three right there, man, for that ass
Speaker 1: for real Mabory coach jeff jeff and Gundy, Man, Jeffer
Speaker 1: and Gundy was just I mean, here's his basketball actum
Speaker 1: it was like nothing that I have a better round.
Speaker 1: The man was super duper smart. He made sure that
Speaker 1: you were gonna you were going to be well prepared,
Speaker 1: you know, going into games. I mean he provided all
Speaker 1: the information that you needed. Now I played for his brother.
Speaker 1: Stand was the same way. Attention to details, tape, shoot around, take,
Speaker 1: shoot around, knee pass. He wasn't ready to go. Was
Speaker 1: he precise? Was extremely precise. Man. You had to the point,
Speaker 1: to the point to the t he just got he
Speaker 1: just got a little rattled during the big game. But
Speaker 1: as far as preparing you to to to do what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do, one of the best ship I know.
Speaker 1: I asked you, bro, what happened in Orlando? Could you
Speaker 1: play with you? You you played with Skip in Orlando
Speaker 1: when youall went to the finals, right, No, okay, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this is the year. I want to say. We
Speaker 1: were one of the top teams in the East and
Speaker 1: they had played Orlando, had played the Lakers the year
Speaker 1: before the finals, and I came the following year and
Speaker 1: we had beat Boston three one during the season and
Speaker 1: then going into the conference finals, we are smacked Charlotte
Speaker 1: lock Jack Davis smacked Atlanta we were beating every two.
Speaker 1: We were eight no, beating every team by like game over,
Speaker 1: some crazy NBA record average. Going into Boston, he wanted
Speaker 1: to change up the whole game play. And you know,
Speaker 1: this is the veteran driven team. We need to do
Speaker 1: a B and C two two. And this is when
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard was in his prime, when the white Howard prime.
Speaker 1: You couldn't funk with the white. With the white smoth, athletic, agile,
Speaker 1: motherfucker I ever played light was on this ship in Orlando.
Speaker 1: You couldn't funk with Dwight Howard. So we had like this,
Speaker 1: we had we had, We had d Howard, we have Vince,
Speaker 1: we had with char Lewis, Jamir Nelson, Petrice who else?
Speaker 1: We had, We had a we had a squad, changed
Speaker 1: everything up. Going into the Eastern Conference finals. You got
Speaker 1: a little nervous on us. Oh so so that was
Speaker 1: a regular season game when you did that the Kobe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the end of that. That was the end
Speaker 1: of the season that March. So we were thinking, we
Speaker 1: were thinking, we're gonna see them again in the finals.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't there the year before. So play we're
Speaker 1: supposed to line up in the finals again, and then
Speaker 1: we and then you know what I mean, shifted on
Speaker 1: the Church's money in the Eastern Final. Yeah. Attention to detail, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that motherfucker. Get your attention to detail for sure. Current NBA?
Speaker 1: Who who are you a fan of? Who are you watching? Teams? Players?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a fan of the game. But man, Katie,
Speaker 1: my young my young boy, Jalen Brown boy, uh and
Speaker 1: he always winning the tea Max, that's my guy. That's
Speaker 1: my guy. But that Katie, bro Katie is a bad
Speaker 1: motherfucking him. Polo and Paul George and uh Kau. I
Speaker 1: was looking forward. I was really looking forward to, uh
Speaker 1: seeing what the Clippers gonna do with the Lakers this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really want to see that. And I just don't
Speaker 1: think we don't get that chance. Who you who? You
Speaker 1: had in the finals though, the Clippers and Lakers? Who
Speaker 1: have finals? My preseason pick I had Clippers winning the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Bo me too. I thought. I just thought
Speaker 1: with the killers that they have and you got lou
Speaker 1: Williams come off the bench, bro, I thought that was
Speaker 1: it was too deep. Then they added one added Morris twins,
Speaker 1: the Boorris twins, and then and Reggie Jackson. Come on, bro,
Speaker 1: they held a D A lot of dogs, sir, Who
Speaker 1: you had? I had the Lakers? You know, I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like, you know, Lou Williams would be the
Speaker 1: fact that because the teams are very matched up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I think if they could
Speaker 1: find somebody to stop the A D. The key X
Speaker 1: factors to me was gonna be if they could find
Speaker 1: somebody to stop a D and the Lakers had an
Speaker 1: answer for Lou Williams. That was my two questions. I
Speaker 1: just felt like the chap regardless was coming out of
Speaker 1: l A. I wouldn't have been surprised if either of
Speaker 1: them went. But I thought the champion, with all due
Speaker 1: respect him to Milwaukee and and the rest of you know,
Speaker 1: Boston was starting to hit their stride the side the
Speaker 1: team's Toronto in the East. But I just felt like
Speaker 1: the championship was going to come to l A one
Speaker 1: way or another. Yeah. Is there anyone in today's game,
Speaker 1: uh that that you mentor talked to? You know? Cod
Speaker 1: was kind of big on turning trying to give back.
Speaker 1: He spoke on giving back what he learned in his
Speaker 1: knowledge to this younger generation. Have did you find yourself
Speaker 1: doing any of that. I talked to Jen Man. You know,
Speaker 1: Jalen trains with me. He comes to the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I worked in. I talked to him yesterday. He's coming. Uh,
Speaker 1: whenever they lift this ship off, man, he's gonna come
Speaker 1: get that work in, gonna get in that last. So
Speaker 1: that's that's my young boy. He's an intelligent dude too.
Speaker 1: He I didn't really much of them when we had
Speaker 1: him on the show. Very kid man, very business sad. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was very impressed with the way he just carried
Speaker 1: himself and embodied like he's like an old son, very intelligent,
Speaker 1: but the older spirit. He gets it. Man. He's very
Speaker 1: sharpe and and a very sharp What team would you
Speaker 1: love to join? It to day's league? If you can
Speaker 1: play in today's league, what team would you would you
Speaker 1: if you had a choice to pick a team, what
Speaker 1: team would you go play for? With the current players
Speaker 1: that have constructed house constructive? Right now? Yeah? Yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: put me in Golden State, bro, Yes, sir, put me
Speaker 1: in Golden State. I don't blame you, I don't tell me.
Speaker 1: Why talk to me? Talk to me? Man. Look, first,
Speaker 1: you got the greatest shooters in the game on one team.
Speaker 1: That that's Clay and staff, Draymond, playmaker, ability, leadership. You
Speaker 1: add me to that? Who you gonna check who? I
Speaker 1: just just like that, just like Katie was on the team.
Speaker 1: Like you. You couldn't do nothing with them, can't do
Speaker 1: nothing with it. You know what I see? I see
Speaker 1: Tea Mac at the point, Jimmy Butler and then beat
Speaker 1: and Philly without Ben Simmons. I love him being but
Speaker 1: we might fight. I might fight and be gonna fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he real hes talented as hell, bro, but him, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that every night, every night,
Speaker 1: you gotta bring it. That man got so much talent.
Speaker 1: I think so much skill, so much man. I think
Speaker 1: he got to get in better shape. To man, I love,
Speaker 1: I love that kid's game, but he he got to
Speaker 1: be more consistent and get in better shape. He needs
Speaker 1: Yanni's attitude. Who would you like to see as a
Speaker 1: guest on all the smoke for us? I think y'all
Speaker 1: need to get fifty on here. Man. We've been trying.
Speaker 1: We've been trying. We've been DM. I've been DM, I've
Speaker 1: been on this page all. He got a lot of
Speaker 1: he probably the business man. Here's how you do. You
Speaker 1: need to get my my bro on here, lorenz Tate,
Speaker 1: get Lorenz Tate on here. He's right there in l
Speaker 1: A with you, Matt, and then you could you got
Speaker 1: access to get it, you know right there inside right there,
Speaker 1: that's the plug right there, easy easy called We're coming
Speaker 1: for hey, artists. A song gonna repeat right now doing
Speaker 1: this quarantine, I play a variety and stuff. Bro, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm on that Ross Ross's Ross is my dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so under raged, so under dude man. And Wayne that way.
Speaker 1: We just had Wayne shout out way. We just had
Speaker 1: him on the show last week. That light of flick.
Speaker 1: You know what time is when you hear that light
Speaker 1: of flick? You know what time it is? Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: yes sir. What's your currently bench watching? I just finished Ozar.
Speaker 1: I'm watching that's on that now. Yeah, just finished Ozar.
Speaker 1: I'm watching this show called The Outsiders. Well actually I
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Speaker 1: I think I think I came across that you got
Speaker 1: something to do with that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what's that? I got? Uh? One of your boys
Speaker 1: you grew up in p a man, he'd be bringing
Speaker 1: one of a kid. I gotta get his name for you, dog.
Speaker 1: He'd be bringing a kid from from Neitherland or somewhere
Speaker 1: up there where y'all, y'all where you from. He'd be
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Speaker 1: of my organization, and your man brings him down for
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Speaker 1: That's dope, that's dope. That's dope. So what is your
Speaker 1: quarantine snack right now? What's what's your goal to right now?
Speaker 1: During lockdown? Ship? I just eat salad. I actually lost
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, bro, because I'm able to be stable and
Speaker 1: work out consistently. So I'm just hearing brother shafting it
Speaker 1: up for me. And I don't eat a lot of
Speaker 1: jump man. I only I really only eat like two
Speaker 1: maybe three times a day. I'm not a snacker. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: It's called Candy? C A N D Y. I'm blaming
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Speaker 1: from Triolla Candy Bad. Hey, man, we appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. Always good to catch up. Boys.
Speaker 1: Keep doing y'all thing, being the voice for the real
Speaker 1: ones out here. Man, y'all doing a great things. Brother man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Got to come to the studio though.
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why we ain't going too deep into
Speaker 1: the interview, because we want you to come to studio
Speaker 1: and we really can dig into some stuff and all
Speaker 1: the stuff you've got going on all the court. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll do that. Man, Appreciate you, bro, And that's a
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