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Speaker 1: of basketball. Here are those who come before us, upon

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special Quarantine edition. We got a

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special Quarantine edition. All the smoke edition,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame Edition. Huh, how are you? I'm good?

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Speaker 1: My why are you? Man? I can't call it? You man,

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Speaker 1: just trying to give the people what they want. That's it, huh,

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Speaker 1: I said, That's how we do. Man. We got a great, great,

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Speaker 1: We jeez, he's definitely been the most requested. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, without further ado, we're gonna get into everything.

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Speaker 1: But introduced Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady. Man, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: thanks for spending some time with us, bro Man. Any time, brother,

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Speaker 1: I gotta get in studio with y'all, and he did it.

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Speaker 1: Any time I see t Macata, maybe you gotta do this, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I gotta work on. That's the king. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: I have to mention Hell has you. But then once

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you all boys, man, y'all be the boys

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Speaker 1: for the real ones out there. Man, y'all doing great thing.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that man than you, no doubt um present

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Speaker 1: day man, I mean, Jack spoke on the fortress you

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Speaker 1: We're good man, kassa mac my biggest How big is

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Speaker 1: that your Jack? Uh? Well he was he was just

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Speaker 1: You know what it's Uh. I'm a whole body anyway, man,

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Speaker 1: My kids ain't never did that because they were the

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Speaker 1: no doubt and for everybody. This is affected everybody. So

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, all right, think professionals. They could do everything,

425
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: use left hand, right hand, turn left shoulder, turn right shoulder,

426
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They could do it all.

427
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: They skilled. Bro. I started seeing some dudes out there like, really,

428
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: he can't do he can't use his left hand, he

429
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: can't go lest, he can't go right, he can't shoot

430
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: over his left shoulder. I started, I mean, because I

431
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: know the game, and I just I was shocked. Bro.

432
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I know what I

433
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: gotta work on. But then we get to the season.

434
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm working like crazy. My coach ain't feeling me at oh,

435
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 1: bro Man. The time Daryl Walker and the reason I

436
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: think Darryl Walser got that job. I don't know if

437
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:56,959
Speaker 1: y'all remember when the Pistons played Utah and Isaiah Thomas

438
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: went up for a layup and Carl Malone a cross

439
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: his head and gave him like twenty five stitches or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man,

440
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: he fucked Zeke up. Bro. He came off the bench

441
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: and went at uh. He came up the bench without

442
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: calling when I had a dog. So you know they

443
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: were boys. But dude wasn't feeling me. Man. I remember,

444
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: I'm pumped. We're playing against the magic. Don't playing against

445
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: my dog? Right, I get in the game, Bro, I'm

446
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: excited his head. I'm guarding Penny. I get it still, Bro,

447
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: I go down. I'm women. I'm trying. I'm trying to

448
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: put on the show. I women next dadball, Bro, what

449
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: you're doing? What? Bro? Took me the game? Bro for

450
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: showing off. It's like he was fucking with me like that.

451
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that that ship was getting

452
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: in my head, Bro, So that's times that I was

453
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: reaching out the code, like, Bro, what did you do?

454
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: He was like, Man, just stay within yourself confidence and

455
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: keep working. Bro. He was like, I promise you You'll

456
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: get through the ship. So that's what I'm doing. I

457
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: just kept working. And man, who helped me out the

458
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: most was that Damn Doug Christie. Bro. I played Doug

459
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: Christie Man. Shout shout out Christie. Bro. I love Doug.

460
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: I played Doug one on one every day. We were

461
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: just going at each other man, and and that's how

462
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: I was working on my one on one game and

463
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: building my confidence up because I know he was a

464
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: great defender, Like he was a hell of defender, and

465
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: to go up against him every day, I'll be ready

466
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,479
Speaker 1: for whatever. So I just started, you know, playing against him,

467
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: building that confidence up, and we got buddy up out

468
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: of there by all start breaking, got him up out

469
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: of there. Butcher card and took over and ship My

470
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: game went like that. Man, I ain't looked back. So

471
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: that was what that year two or year that was? Okay,

472
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: first year, mm hmm, that's what suck. Crazy. So Vince

473
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: Carter comes in town, your second year comes and takes

474
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: the league by storm. That's was that a rumor? Is

475
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: that real life? Your cousin now we're cousins, grandmothers, grandmothers

476
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: are related. Okay to jump at as motherfucker was like,

477
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: that's that's next level you did that. That's next level

478
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: jumping ability right there. And what this man used to do,

479
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean he sat you. You played against the high school,

480
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: y'all played against the high school. No, but I've seen him,

481
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: I've seen him live in high school one So before

482
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: I knew we were cousins. I played on junior team

483
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: Florida and he was on the other older team. He

484
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: played before me. I played before him and when Florida.

485
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, this is this is before I knew we

486
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 1: was related. I'll play first, and then I see him

487
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: and sitting and watch Bro. I Man, I ain't know

488
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: a human conjunct like this. Bro, this man was going

489
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: up palm and the ball looking in the basket and

490
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: was just dropping it like that. He was going up.

491
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: Then they're touching the backboard and just dropping the ball

492
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: like this. I'm like, oh my god. Skilled. Crazy. So

493
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: I had a good relationship with our coach. I was like, Bro,

494
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: we gotta get Vince Carter. Bro. We got a good

495
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: and he was the most skilled. And to have us

496
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: too as two wings at that time, mean, it was

497
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: crazy what we could accomplish along with the Vets what

498
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: we had, and we drafted Vince Man. Vince came in

499
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: there and uh, the ship he was doing was just unbelievable.

500
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: For that women. He did baseline against Indiana on Oh

501
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: my god, Oh my god, that man, he had us jump.

502
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: He had jumping out of our seats. We were fans,

503
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: so I could only imagine how some of the dudes

504
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: felt that playing against me and some of the ship.

505
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: I was. I was a fan. I know that was

506
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: my cousin, my teammate, goddamn, and I was a fan. Bro.

507
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: He was incredible. That ship was incredible to see what

508
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: he was doing. Then, hey, Ben Bence handles was Ben's

509
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: handle was so underrated. Ben had the handle. People didn't

510
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: know he had some quick stuff with his handle, but

511
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: he had handled dog and it was always under control

512
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: where he hit you with something, but it was in

513
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: control where I know we can get that one to

514
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: it if one too, that's your as you He had

515
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: the big as hands, Bro. He was the big as hands.

516
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: He love it and once he got control of it,

517
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: it was it was no block in this shot because

518
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: he's Elevan. He was then there looking at his balls

519
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: when he got damn St. Paul's. But yo, man, crazy

520
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: just peer skilled people to I got a chance to

521
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: play with him later when he was in Orlando, uh

522
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, not later, but in Orlando probably two thousand nine.

523
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: But just peer, just regular form shooting jump shot from

524
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: half queer. But when y'all bushed the ass in the

525
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: first round, of playoffs, Matt, when we beat the Brakes off,

526
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: y'all shooting left headed just like you shoot right right,

527
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: just peer man. Vince was motherfucking's absolutely so so. And

528
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: Vince helped a lot as well because he reached that

529
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: startom extremely quick. So I was able to sit back

530
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: and watch how he handled himself, you know, reach and startom,

531
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: and it helped me when I reached my potential and

532
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: was able to, you know, being be that type of player.

533
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, he was incredible. Man. How come you guys

534
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: never got to take off? For how how how big

535
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: could you guys have been if you would have been

536
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: able to hit your stride at the same time with

537
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: with Toronto, we would have played for a championship. I mean,

538
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: we would have faced the Lakers if I would have stayed,

539
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But there was so much stuff

540
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: going on in Toronto with the organization, there was no

541
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: way I could have stayed. And then I mean I

542
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to You're competing against you know, Orlando

543
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: where I'm from. That's that's that's tough. How was it

544
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: like planning against m j r? Rookie shaking in my boots,

545
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: shaking up shaking in the first time I had to guard.

546
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, this man. First of all, let me

547
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: go back seven MJ them in the playoffs. I think

548
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: they played against the Hawks, right, I'm at the game

549
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: playoff game, Bro, I got an opportunity to go uh

550
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: in the back by the locker room after the game.

551
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: So I'm standing back there. I'm seventeen years old, kid,

552
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: I've never been around NBA players like this or even

553
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, I've never been around somebody like m J.

554
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm standing back their kid and pitcom out. All these

555
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: players started coming out. Mike comes around that corner. Bro,

556
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lot to you. Man had to blow Bro.

557
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: I swear my my dog, that seat is real. KG

558
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: said the same thing. You just feel his energy. I'm

559
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: not I'm not joking. Mike came out of like, damn, Bro,

560
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: I ain't know what to say. Man. I was like

561
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: m dog as m J. So fast forward. I'm on

562
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: the court with him for my rookie year. It took

563
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: me about the quarter to get over the fact that

564
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: this Mike right. But man, once once it walked, you

565
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: know that that mystique wears off if you around somebody

566
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: for a long tipe wears off, like, Okay, ship, let's

567
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: get it. I damn that had my best game as

568
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: a rookie, play against almost had a triple double m

569
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: hm in front of thirty thousand. You know we played

570
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: in the sky Doom thirty thousand. Mike had him coming

571
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: in there, Bro, and that was a year they had

572
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: what he was one of them teen? Yeah, you ain

573
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: Mike both had good games. That game might have about

574
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: thirty five. He probably had boy twelve on me easy.

575
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, this Mike Bro. I had to get

576
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: his ass back when he was with the Wizards. Though. Yeah,

577
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: y'all ask thirty eight years old, you're putting up fifty.

578
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: You still got game, but you gotta get this work.

579
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: You gotta get this ship. With Jordan's going down, overtiring it,

580
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: usherings and usherings a new era of wings yourself, Kobe, Vince, Paul,

581
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: Pierce Grant before his injury, what was that new era?

582
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: Like you you touched on you know the end of

583
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: Jordan's era and now we have a whole do different

584
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: type of wings. Tell me what that era of wing

585
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: game was like? Man, you had a challenge every night, Bro,

586
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about some of the greats that

587
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: ever played the game, all right, man, Paul Cold, Vince AI,

588
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Oh Ship, Big Dog, Ray Allen Man, Reggie Miller was

589
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: still getting buckets stacked Ship. You used to get buckets too,

590
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: getting buckets, but man, it was it was dog. It

591
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: was a challenge, Brol You really had to bring that game.

592
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't no bullshitting around like you're talking about some killers, man,

593
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: some real killers that every night you don't get your

594
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: wrest or, if you ain't locked in, you're gonna get

595
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: embarrassed night. Man. I'm talking about you guys right there.

596
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: They since any weakness or any any type of fear,

597
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna damn tell your damn head off. And I

598
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: didn't want to be that. I had to make sure

599
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: one of my best videos it is not it's it

600
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: says Tracy McGrady visit Stephen Jackson highlights, Right, you gotta

601
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: go check this out. So it's how it supposed to

602
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: be highlights for me and Tracy, right, going, head up.

603
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: If you watch the video, it showed about Tracy points

604
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: about six about six when you when you was with

605
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: that Latta, yeah, yeah, yeah, that show about to show

606
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: about six of my year. That's probably how the game win.

607
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: That's probably out the game when I hated guarding you, Bro,

608
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: because I can never block your shot. I don't know

609
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: how to hell you shoot the ball like that. We

610
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: didn't say that ship can never block your shot. See

611
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: if he said the same thing. Look, Matt always taking

612
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: some cheap shots and ship out like he man, we

613
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: have to get aggressive with your especially cause you of

614
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: someone like I said at the beginning the show, like

615
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: you have to hang you, which is unfair because as

616
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: soon as you go for that, you go buy some duncan.

617
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: But if you actually shot, there was no way a

618
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: hell to block your shot because you jumped like three

619
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: ft off the ground just to get your jumper off.

620
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: So we have to try to beat you up. Ain't

621
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: no other choice. You gotta you gotta go and tell

622
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: you gotta go and tell everybody the famous hand dribble

623
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: move that you that you started. Please tell everybody what

624
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Kobe you got it from. No they know, they know, man. Look,

625
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: oh that was my goal to bro. Cole was a

626
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: student of the game. I was a student of the game.

627
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes to get better, I'm gonna take that.

628
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying, like, yeah, I took some

629
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: of that, Like, hey, that's how you become great, man.

630
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: You you you gotta watch other people and take this

631
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: some pieces of that game. That's just that's just how

632
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: it is. Man. You'll be a fool not to you

633
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And that's and that's what I

634
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: did that hae double that was just my thing. Bro

635
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: six nine Laura ass and sleep and just rise up over.

636
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do anything about that. You know,

637
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: you know what takes you know what uses that now

638
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: to perfection. Katie Campaul, George kad though k He's deadly

639
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: with it, deadly with it. Bro's it's star, especially when

640
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: you got quickness, you got that ball on a string

641
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: like that, you got a Jimmy hey man, it's none

642
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: you could do, Bro, then you can do with it. Nah.

643
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: So you're traded from Toronto to Orlando, Grant him, traded

644
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: from Detroit to Orlando, Grant Hill to me along with

645
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: Penny Hardway, Like you mentioned, healthy, Grant Hill would have

646
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: been top ten all time as well. Great is one

647
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: of the greatest players. Was a killer similar to yourself,

648
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: silent about it, just went about his busines this. You

649
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: guys joined forces in your hometown. Talk to us about that. Man,

650
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: I knew because it was me. I don't even want

651
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: to do that order me. First, it was Timmy Grant,

652
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: and then myself, like every trying to get all three

653
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: of us because people forgot that. Tim almost Tim almost

654
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: went there. He spoke like that a little bit too.

655
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 1: He almost left. But I just found this out later

656
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: that the reason he didn't come, it's because doctor hit

657
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: my guests. The spouses couldn't fly on the plane. That

658
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: was a deal breaker. If that was the deal breaker,

659
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: that's what I found out about. Cried when I found

660
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: that and that and that's a true story. Dog, that

661
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: was the deal breaker. I heard that same story. Man

662
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: I got, I got. I gotta pulled a doctor's side

663
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: on that one. Bro. But but you know it's me

664
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: and Grant, Me and Grant Eastern Conference. I'm excited. And

665
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: I knew Grant had broke his ankle because I was

666
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: watching him in in the Miami series when he was

667
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: getting buckets against him. He was still playing on it,

668
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: but I thought he was going to heal from it.

669
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: But we was there for four years and I think

670
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: we only played forty seven games with each other, and

671
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: it was just it was so sad, man, because I

672
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: knew how bad he wanted to be out there, and

673
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: I knew the potential that we could possibly have reached,

674
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: but it just didn't happen. And and then he got

675
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: he was having search going to bankle and and uh

676
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: ship got infected and yeah, I almost lost his leg. Man.

677
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: It was just it was a bad time for him, man.

678
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: And I'm still trying to do when I'm able to do.

679
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it actually gave me an opportunity to really,

680
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: uh come into my own quickly. Then, you know, I

681
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: really wanted to. I wanted to learn behind him, follow

682
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: his league. I mean, Grant the truest professional that you've

683
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: ever come across, absolutely, you know what I mean, and

684
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: the smartest hell yeah, smartest hell man. It was just

685
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: some unfortunately for both of us. Really for team Yeah,

686
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: Graham somebody who you know, people always acting who I

687
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: looked at coming up, and Graham was one of the

688
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: guys I've padded my game after to this day. I

689
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: talked to him to get a lot of advice from him,

690
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: and then you know, and conversate with him, buy a

691
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: lot of things but when your fourth year in your

692
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: league team Mac, you went from fifteen points to twenty six,

693
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: Like that was a defining year from you, Like what

694
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: what clicked that year? Well, it's just the work man.

695
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: It was the work um that I put in. And

696
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: you really know who you are in the league your

697
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: third or fourth year, you know who he's gonna being. Ship.

698
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: That was just my time. Like I said, Grant going down,

699
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: I had to speed up my process. I had to

700
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: speed up um my bill to carry a team. You know,

701
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: I kind of would have been in the back burner

702
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: learning from him, let him do his thing, learning from him,

703
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: still chipping in and and and you know, my game growing,

704
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: but it had to grow like at a rapid rate

705
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: because he was he was down, and they threw me

706
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: the keys and that was it. It was just it

707
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: was me, No all the all stars. It was just

708
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: me with with some great role players. But you never

709
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: really experienced too much success there. You know, obviously a

710
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of individual accolades. Personally, you know, like I said,

711
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: that's when you really define who you were as as

712
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: a bona fide superstar. What did you learn from that

713
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: experience that that it was? You know, like you said you.

714
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: It was you and role players. What was that psychology like?

715
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: Because superstars are look you know, looked at to get

716
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: their team to that next level. So what did you

717
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: learn from that experience in Orlando? Ship that you needed?

718
00:42:53,160 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: You need help? He said, Look kind of did everything

719
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker. Dude. What else you want me talking about?

720
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: Was going on against you? Look at that Detroit team,

721
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: he was the number one seed, tough defensive team. You

722
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: look at the Milwaukee team. I played in the playoffs

723
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: with Sam Ray, and you see what I'm saying. You

724
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: try to go up against him and you ain't got

725
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: no other potential All Star on your team. Man, Listen,

726
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: you stack, you won the championship. You played with Tim Duncan, Monu, Tony,

727
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: Tony Parker, all stuff, Matt, you won a championship? How

728
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: many All Stars you played with? Four? Four? Right? Do

729
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: That's tough? Bro? I don't give it that. How great

730
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: you are, listen, man, Kobe's to me is the greatest

731
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: of our error. Bro. When shot left he found that

732
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: how hard it was. But I don't care how great

733
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 1: you are individually. If you ain't got no other dogs

734
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: with you, man, you can forget about it, bro, you

735
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: ain't gonna win in this league. You know what I'm saying,

736
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: You're not gonna win. That's just what it is. And

737
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: that's what I learned. I was like, Man, I'm getting

738
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: burnt out. I'm doing what I can. I gotta. I'm

739
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: competing against teams that are you know, voted with these

740
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: these all stars and then they got great role players. Hey, man,

741
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: I can only I can only win you a few games.

742
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: Man Ship, I'm trying to win it serious, I'm trying

743
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: to people keep keeping getting Tim had David Robinson to man,

744
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: you gotta have a team. You gotta have a great

745
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: players to win. I don't even then. That's just what

746
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: it is. So two thousand and four, you traded to

747
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: Houston for Steve Franciscatino, Mobli can get a chance to

748
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: team up with Big Yao and uh Jeff Van Gundy.

749
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: You win fifty one games first season. Tell me what

750
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: that experience was, like, Oh yeah, that was I mean

751
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: the minute I got traded there, I had a conversation

752
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: with Jeff rank Gunning. So mine you I'm just coming

753
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: off of NBA scoring title two years in a row.

754
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: So I get I get to uh Houston, And the

755
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: first thing he telled me, he was like, you're not

756
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: gonna leave the league in scoring. Yeah, I'm like, not like,

757
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: welcome to Houston, welcome to the team. Like, uh, I'm

758
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: just gonna tell you're not gonna leave the league in scoring.

759
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, well, what's gonna happen. So it was

760
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: basically just like, you know, we got a seven five

761
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: seven six dude that you know we gotta get the

762
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: ball to. We're gonna play inside out. I never played

763
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: with a big dude, so it was an adjustment for

764
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: me to play with a big guy. The pace was slore.

765
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I had to change my whole game on

766
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: how I went about it. Um, there was a struggle

767
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: in the beginning. I'm not even gonna lie. It was

768
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: a struggle to him. When I got a fast break,

769
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: I gotta slow that thing down. Let the big fella

770
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: catch up, get to the post, all right, he cut

771
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it was it was challenging.

772
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: But then we started. He knew we had to start

773
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: to put the pieces around myself and Yal and then

774
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 1: once we did that, we started winning some ball game.

775
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, it was It was challenging playing

776
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: with a big fella at times, but once we got it,

777
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: Once we figured it out, man, I mean ship were

778
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: great together. Y'all was a deadly colmbo. We played you

779
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: and Golden State, and remember how I had to go out, y'all. Yeah,

780
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: we used to. We used to try to kill Al

781
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 1: whoever was because I was I'll played that small ball

782
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: who ever whoever was guarding y'all. They was gonna have

783
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,959
Speaker 1: a long knight because we were gonna feed. I didn't

784
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: care about scoring that hit, big fellow, You're going to

785
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: work to night because there was nothing y'all can do

786
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: with it. Y'all have double used to body was sucked up.

787
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even want to play in those games. I

788
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: would get piste off because that was a kind of

789
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: net least to funk with Al. So he would starting randomly,

790
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: but he always started up against y'all, and Al used

791
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: to hate that ship. He did started then you can't

792
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: go on, man, what what what was gonna do with

793
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: that big fellow man? And he had left hand, he

794
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: had right hand. You know about that, bro and the

795
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: crazy shot we would have. We would have faced you

796
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: all in the playoffs. That year, if we had if

797
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: we had the um, yea, we was preparing to run

798
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: y'all motherfucker's asses out the gym too, because I thought

799
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: we had finally clipped, we had finally got our chemistry.

800
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: So we're like, fuck it, we can't guard y'all, but

801
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: there's no way he guarding all of our picking rolls

802
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: and are We wanted to rock. We wanted to do

803
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, we play. Everybody wanted us if you

804
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: could play small This is what I'm saying. Everybody wanted

805
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: to play against us because in the place, if you

806
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: could go small ball, it was tougher because y'all had

807
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: somebody you know what I'm saying, Yeah, made it tough.

808
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: And Avery Johnson figured that out, and we had y'all

809
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: guard Marquees Daniels and Josh Jot Howard Bro you know

810
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He can't and he can't guard Dirk

811
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: no way. How talented was y'all because it was he

812
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: had a quick career. Um, you got a chance to

813
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: play with him for a good chunk of it. For

814
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: his size, How skilled was he? Bro? He was extremely skilled.

815
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: Like I said, left hand, right hand. I felt sorry

816
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: for him at times, because Thibodeaux had y'all working so

817
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: damn hard before every game. Man, I'm like, bro, he's

818
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: gonna wear down like he was killing y'all before the game.

819
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: He was putting in that work. But highly skilled I'm

820
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: talking about, can dribble the ball, can make the right passes,

821
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: not just you know, making a pass anyway, passing on

822
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: target for were you to get in your shot. He

823
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: sees the floor well, left hand right here, and he

824
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: shot eighty plus percent from the damn file line. He

825
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: had it, Bro, he had he was highly skilled. One

826
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: of them is probably most skilled big man at you know,

827
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: I can remember the Yeah, he had the whole package. Yeah.

828
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: And then obviously combining with him obviously has helped your

829
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: success over uh in China, you know, gett a chance

830
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: to play next to him, and then being running Mason

831
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: stores together elevated it elevated it because what a lot

832
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: of people don't know. When I was with the Magic,

833
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: I had the number one selling jersey in China. Steve

834
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: Jackson knew that. Yeah. Yeah, So being with y'all, I mean, man,

835
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: it's obviously elevated. You know my brand we played, UH,

836
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, if y'all remember the kid Ye Jillian

837
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: or ye whatever played the next war. Yeah, so he played.

838
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: It was a it was a night we played them.

839
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: He was with Milwaukee. Oh don't you know over two

840
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: people watched that game because of him, and y'all, Like

841
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean to million bro watched that game because of

842
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: the two boys right there. So I mean it. It

843
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: elevated everybody's brand that was a part of the Rockets organization,

844
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: not just mine, and elevated everybody. So over the next

845
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: four seasons, man, this is when your body somewhat starts,

846
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, the injury start piling on back, elbow, knees,

847
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: You're you're you're sent to New York in uh in

848
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: two thousand and two ten. Talk to us about that

849
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: injury process, because, like you said, you were sucked. You

850
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: were led the league in scoring. Like I said, you

851
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: were one of the most gifted scores I've ever seen.

852
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: Blessed to get a chance to play against you, But

853
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: just from a fans perspective, it was so effortless with you.

854
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: So when you're facing these fucking injuries where you can't

855
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: go out and be Tracy McGrady, what is that like mentally?

856
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: It was tough because I remember, um, I think it

857
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: was two thousand and eight when the playoffs against Utah.

858
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: Y'all is out. He got hurt that year, that same

859
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: year that we had the two game win Street. So

860
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: that season wearing Utah, I'm sitting down in my on

861
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: my couch. We get to the hotels, sitting down on

862
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: the couch, I went to prop my leg up and

863
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: sit it on the footstool. My leg wouldn't extend out.

864
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: I was trying hardest hell, and I was like, oh

865
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: my god, bro, what the hell? I knew something was wrong.

866
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: So I went through that season. We play Utah in

867
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: the playoffs. We're losing six games. That that six, that

868
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: game six that we lost, I have forty every every

869
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: every game, I had to get a shot at my knee.

870
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't play. So I got a shot at my

871
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: knee after the game, draining all that fluid needle like this,

872
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, draining all that fluid out.

873
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, all right, you know, I just gotta

874
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: get get my knee cleaned out and then we'll be good. Man,

875
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: go have shot the surgery. We got run our tests.

876
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, we bought Chip at least compete for once.

877
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: This this is what I've been waiting on. I got

878
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: run our tests, I got shamed at here, I got

879
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: skilled myself. Y'all, we got we got some of these

880
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: young players that have had a half matured. Are we

881
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: ready for it? Go through the season. I ain't right,

882
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm on one leg. I'm still trying to play. I'm

883
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: on one leg. Bro I can't. I'm scared to even

884
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: jump off of my left leg. Everything was right leg.

885
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: So when so we're in Milwaukee, I get a I

886
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: get a break. Coming down on break, somebody has chasing me,

887
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: so I want to go up on the other side

888
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: of the rim and try to dunk it. I got

889
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: hum embarrassed myself at that point. I'm like, I am

890
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: not playing another game until I find out what's going

891
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: on with my knee. We get to the locker room,

892
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, rape for Austin. Rap forgot to sence Kuma

893
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: like he like skill no matter what type of moment

894
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: it is. Skiff got to throw in the joke, right,

895
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: he had to throw in the joke. So he started

896
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: making jokes about ship rowing mad man, Like, yo, man,

897
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: that ship ain't funny. Yeah, I'm said it ain't funny right. Well, anyways,

898
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: after that, I shut it down, man, and I went

899
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: to see a few doctors and they told me, Bro,

900
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: I got some bad news. You ain't got no more

901
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: cartlage in your knee. I don't even know why you

902
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: were playing who up? Cartlage is done. I'm like, okay,

903
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. We gotta have another surgery.

904
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, you gotta have surgery. But you

905
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: that have microshopper surgery and Killa Martin Starter. I knew

906
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: what it had did for them, yo, man, which they

907
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: ain't good. At that point, I realized, Bro, at that

908
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: point when that man told my doctors told me that

909
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: that I had to have office stop surgery, I mean

910
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: micro factor surgery, micro factor surgery, it was over. I knew.

911
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't gonna be that dude again. And

912
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: that was the most devastating thing. I mean, I can't

913
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: even tell you how depressed I was to know that

914
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm on this level and then I'm I'm down here

915
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: now and I never never reached that level again. Bro.

916
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: I was hurt, and on top of that, to ask

917
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: you to the fire my playoffs. Struggles is in the past.

918
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: You was bothered me, and then I got an opportunity

919
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: to have success now with the team that we have,

920
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: and I'm not able to be out there with them. Yeah,

921
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: it just it crushed me. Bro. So I'm sitting back

922
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: in Chicago is where I had my surgery, and I'm

923
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: watching my team compete against Portland's. They beat Portland's. Y'all

924
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: gets hurt. We play the Lakers the next round, second round,

925
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: we played the Lakers. Y'all gets hurt. They take the

926
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: Lakers to seven games without doing without y'all. Come on,

927
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: come on, Bro, you know I devastated. I was. I

928
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: was out of that, man, I was out of that. Bro,

929
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: that it hurt me, I can imagine. And then you're

930
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: going through all that and you and you're watching your peers,

931
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: You're watching Code, when you're watching Dunk and you watching Peers,

932
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: you're watching Dirk. They all get championships. You know what

933
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Why and why are you sitting there trying

934
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: to get back to that level to play? What was

935
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: that feeling like, Bro? I knew that was devastated. It

936
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: was extremely devastated because I was on that level. Boys,

937
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: winning championship and KG goes to Boston win a chip

938
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: for a ship. I'm like, man, because because before that,

939
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: KG was like he was he was having playoff struggles

940
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: in Minnesota until he got until he got Sam them

941
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: Sales and s Fretwell and the boys, like until he

942
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: got dogs over there with him. He was able to

943
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: make it to the Western Conference finals. But prior to that, man,

944
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: it was like it was tough on him. And then

945
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: he got out of Minnesota and got with some got

946
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: some dogs in Boston, won that chip. Like this, Timing

947
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: is everything, bro and and and that time and for

948
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: me was just that. That's why making into the Hall

949
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: of Fame like everything, it's everything to miss because I

950
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: looked back on the ship that I went to struggles, Yeah, man,

951
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: it was everything. We try to give people a perspective

952
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: not knowing obviously that's devastating career news life. You know,

953
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: this is what we work out our whole life, But

954
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: what is life like off the court? You know what

955
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, in your day to day with your family

956
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: and friends. People don't understand, like how this is our life.

957
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: We've trained our whole entire life through this. And then

958
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: you like you said you were the upper level. You

959
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: were on your way, so to have to deal with

960
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: it on the court. But what was like life off

961
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: the court going through that struggle? Yeah, I was the

962
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: injury struggle. I was depressed, Bro, I've never been depressed

963
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: in my life. I was depressed, man. Um. I was

964
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: in Chicago doing my rehab and I had to lay

965
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: in my bed for eight hours with my leg and

966
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: the machine for eight weeks. It was having the blood circulated. Yeah,

967
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: it was moving my leg back and forth and get

968
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: that blood to flow at my knee. You're talking about

969
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: depressing at those times. And then I'm watching my boys

970
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: and TV compete without me. I'm hearing I was messed up.

971
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: Never been in that situation. It was all that, you know,

972
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: great thing about it, um, My kids once the summer came,

973
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: because this happened in February when I had my surgery,

974
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: and then once my kids got out of school, they

975
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: all my family came to Chicago and that really helped

976
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: me get through it. But I was up there by

977
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: myself and it was I was I was out of there. Bro.

978
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: I was like, man, after this game, I don't even

979
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: want to play them. More like mentally, I was rejected

980
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: from the game. Well, it seems like you gotta think.

981
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you have the world screaming your name one second,

982
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: cheering for you, t Mac, this team ack that I

983
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: got my own shoe on this, on that and then

984
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: and like this, you're all by yourself in the dark

985
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: room in Chicago when nobody to turn to Gone Gone.

986
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You went from m v

987
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: P chants twenty thousand people entertaining after at the highest

988
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: level and I can't even reach that level. And who

989
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't get no chance. I turned. I mean, it

990
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: went from Tea back to Tracy. I you know what

991
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: I know yout Tracy back no more. But but this

992
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: go this go to your credit from making the Hall

993
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: of Fame, even though you went through all the injuries

994
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,439
Speaker 1: and everything. As far as us and the people that's

995
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: over the game and watch the game, we knew what

996
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: it was. We know what it was, we knew what

997
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: it should have been, and we know and we know

998
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: how injuries happened in the game. But everybody know when

999
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: they come down to it, you Brandon Row and another

1000
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: another another other got Grand Hill. Guys that wouldn't have

1001
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: been hurt. We already know what y'all would have been

1002
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: going down. And yeah, when it's all said and done, yeah,

1003
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: I'll deserved that Hall of fame. No, y'all deserved that.

1004
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: You know what that that's really all that matter is

1005
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: that your appears understanding. They respect what we brought to

1006
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: the table. That's all that matter. You know what I mean,

1007
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: y'all had to face me, you know all them nights.

1008
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean like, that's the respect. That's the that's the

1009
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: only thing that matters to me, is that I got

1010
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: y'all respect, no good, no question, no question. Well, this

1011
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: is where you're in Jack's past cross in a different

1012
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: way two thousand thirteen. I'm gonna let Jack address this

1013
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: because I don't even know if he knows how he

1014
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: was on the plane when already knows. Oh no, no, no,

1015
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: we talked about that. We talked about man. Listen, listen,

1016
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: pay on Jack. Picture this, so picture of this picture this.

1017
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm in the room. I'm in this. I'm in the

1018
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: locker room, in the film room, actually having my best

1019
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: practice of the year. Just but they asked a practice

1020
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: and Papa's telling me that he's gonna bring the team

1021
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: that for me to give Danny Green and a genoby confidence.

1022
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: He wants me to say they're better than me. And

1023
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: in the time he's during the time he's asked me

1024
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: to say this team MAC is already in the air. Okay,

1025
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:07,959
Speaker 1: he already in the plane. He alre on the plane

1026
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 1: on the way to side of time. And so Pop

1027
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: already knew Pop, you know, damn well, I'm not gonna say.

1028
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say Jordan's I can't believe he tried

1029
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: like that though. But but listen, hey, you know why

1030
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: because Pop is one of the smartest people. He knew

1031
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: what my reply was gonna be before he asked me that.

1032
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: That's why he was already on the plane. He knew

1033
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 1: I was going to walk out. He knew he knew

1034
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: he was gonna cut yourself. He knew I was gonna

1035
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: make it worse man. He knew I was gonna to

1036
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: the walk out. So let me tell you how that

1037
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: went out, right, So I remember remember that vividly, Like

1038
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 1: I got out of church and I checked my phone

1039
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: and there was a miscall from Pop. Mind you, I

1040
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: just been on my couch for two months because I

1041
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: just got that. So I'm gonna back up a little bit.

1042
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: So once I was done with the league, right I

1043
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: went to China. I had to get a feeling back

1044
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 1: because I know if I go to China, I'm gonna

1045
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: get that love back, that passion back, because I know

1046
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring it out of me right and they

1047
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: support you. I want to be I want to be

1048
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: celebrated again. Want to see how that feels. Because I

1049
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: had to work my ass off to get back healthy

1050
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: like I had. I worked so hard to get back healthy.

1051
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: It took me like a year and a half, two

1052
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: years before I was even paying free after that surgery.

1053
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: So I go to China for four months playing the

1054
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: older you at this point, not to cut you off, tea,

1055
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: how old are you at this point? And I think

1056
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two, yeah, yeah, thirty two yeah. So I

1057
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: go over there for four months, sold the whole cd

1058
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: A out, sold it out, and come back home. I'm

1059
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: home for two months, not working out, just chilling with

1060
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: the fans. I come out of church miss phone call

1061
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: for Pop. I called him Pop, what's going on? It's like, hey,

1062
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: h I got some guys that are injured. You know,

1063
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: this is like getting your information, like your girlfriend was

1064
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: sucking with somebody else. Type information right down. He say,

1065
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 1: I got some guys that were injured. I need another body.

1066
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: I needed to come down. I was like, Pop, I

1067
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: haven't done anything for two months. Bro. It's like, don't

1068
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: worry about that. We'll get you in shape. So I

1069
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: drive down. I didn't fly st because you know, I'm

1070
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: right here in Houston. So I robed to San Antonio.

1071
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: It's the last game of the season. I get there.

1072
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: It's like, Yo, It's like, I can't promise you that

1073
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna play any minutes, but you know, we'll see

1074
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: how it goes. Out of respect because it was Pop,

1075
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: That's the only reason I went down there. But I

1076
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: was I was done with basketball, Bro, I was mentally done,

1077
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: but I respect I went down there. If I get there,

1078
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: I'm working playing one on one against boards dal that

1079
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: skilled motherfucker man dog boars d out is So I

1080
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: don't know that most big, slippery motherfucker. I don't care. Boys,

1081
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: dial to Bro. He still is a problem, the most

1082
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: skilled person in the job. Yes, so, Bro, So I'm playing,

1083
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 1: you know, one on one against them boys, getting in shape, playoffs,

1084
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: roll around. We'll played against the Lakers. Got in a

1085
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: little bit point guard against the Lakers. Then we play

1086
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: against I think it was Golden State, and uh, Pop

1087
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: came to me. He was like, I don't want you

1088
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: chasing these boys around. He was like, you know, we

1089
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: make it to the next round, which was Memphis, because

1090
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: like be ready. I was like, man, I'm ready. First

1091
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: of all, it was disrespectful to me that you come

1092
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: to me talking about you don't want me chasing these

1093
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: boys around, as if I can't play the game. You

1094
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I may have slowed down a

1095
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: little bit, but I still know how to play the game,

1096
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 1: so you can thank you. Yeah. I was like, okay,

1097
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to cause no scene. Hey, I'm going

1098
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: on for the ride. So we get we get to

1099
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. We play against the Grizzlies. Tam

1100
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: me on the bus like you ready. I was like, Bro,

1101
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: I've been waiting for this my whole career. What you're

1102
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, I'm ready. Don't see the court I

1103
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: see them minute. Bro. I'm sitting there like, damn this.

1104
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: I can't say nothing that you know, you know when

1105
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you can't say nothing. That's

1106
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: when I was out of there because I was saying yourself.

1107
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: I am crazy. I am no more. I can't say nothing.

1108
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: I can't say nothing. I gotta sit there, like Bro,

1109
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: we get to the finals. Man, sat when I tell you,

1110
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: the media was talking to me every day like I

1111
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: was a star Bro, like they was coming to me day.

1112
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, just let me say the right

1113
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: thing so I could possibly get some burns something. You

1114
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: keep on working. I'm working crazy right. Game one, get there,

1115
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: no minutes, gain't too pop walking up and down. I'm

1116
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: looking at him just like this because he's trying to

1117
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: find somebody to put in. I'm making eye contact with

1118
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: that this. I'm like, I'm showing it. I see I'm

1119
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: talking about there's about two minutes left for the game

1120
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: Bro game over where we're about two. He gonna put

1121
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: me into game. I was like, I gotta eat this

1122
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: so we get the game six, the five and six.

1123
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there. Mommy's struggling. I want to raise my head.

1124
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: I've been struggling all year. I've been struggling all year.

1125
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: That year they struggling Tony out here about the die

1126
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: because le Bro and on him. He tied his head

1127
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: and we got another playmaker. I'm like come on, Bro,

1128
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I've been waiting on this moment, this this

1129
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: flyve on and it ain't s re court at all.

1130
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: Bro lost Game seven, flyback, flyback to UH to San Antonio,

1131
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: I think popping. I was back in UH in Houston

1132
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: next day, like I wasn't even gonna go to the parade, man,

1133
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: and nothing. I left. I left him UH two days

1134
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: later and I flew to China when it got a

1135
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: bad man. That's respect that I had to go down there.

1136
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: But you know, it was a great experience. It was

1137
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: that culture is is crazy. It's unbelievable how they do

1138
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: things down there. Man, I've never seen anything like flying

1139
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: back home from the games every night. You got thousands

1140
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: of fans out there. Yeah, it was. It was a

1141
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: crazy experience. Man. I loved every every bit of it.

1142
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: But I wish I would have got some burned though,

1143
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 1: because I could have. I could have helped the voice.

1144
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: It came down to one rebound team Mac. It came

1145
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: down to one rebound and Timmy wasn't in the game.

1146
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: And tim wasn't in the game. But I mean, listen,

1147
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: if they would have won that championship. I know I

1148
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: was on the team. I'm a competitive bro. I can't.

1149
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: I can't go through that journey and have satisfaction with

1150
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: with that. You know what I'm saying. It would have

1151
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 1: been cool to them to get that ring, but I

1152
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to even even accept if

1153
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: we had won that. I gotta go through the journey that.

1154
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 1: The journey is what makes that fulfilling. You know what

1155
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You gotta go through that by them. But

1156
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: it would have been good to have in your house, though,

1157
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: team would have been good to have by all those

1158
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 1: other wards. It's been good to been sitting there, shine

1159
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 1: and looking real good in that box. Baby. It would

1160
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: have been good in the house. But not No, But Mac,

1161
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: I feel you, not even obviously I wasn't a standpoint

1162
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: to who you were, but the culmination of my career.

1163
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: When people say you want to ring, I don't count

1164
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: that for the exact same reason you said. I was

1165
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: playing good leading up. I came in when Katie went down,

1166
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: played consistent five minutes the game. Katie comes back. I

1167
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: get hurt maybe a week before the playoffs, and I'm

1168
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: out of it. The worst ankle spray in my life.

1169
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm not healthy until the end of the second round

1170
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: where they're already eight and O. So me being event no,

1171
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: and they're not gonna change the rotation. I don't expect

1172
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: on the chain of rotation. I'm just gonna sit here

1173
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,640
Speaker 1: and be a super vet and cheer these motherfucker's on,

1174
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: talk to people when they need to be talking to

1175
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: and just enjoy the ride. So the fact so I'm

1176
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: gonna kind of another We did win it, but I

1177
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: feel it's it's amazing to hear you say, because I

1178
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: don't count that ring. That ring is still in shout out,

1179
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: shout out Raymond Rittard, the best media dude mogul for

1180
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: the Golden State Ward. That thing is sitting in his office,

1181
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't count that as a championship, bro,

1182
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't want hold on hold on raising office right now. Yeah,

1183
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: because I got the best part about it was the

1184
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 1: twins got to enjoy the ride. So the twins were

1185
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: from you couldn't tell my motherfucking kids. They weren't on

1186
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: the court. They were right up there with Steph and

1187
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: Katie trying to grab the trophies and all. Yeah, and

1188
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: so they got the boys there alway for life. That

1189
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 1: was the absolute best part. And I think you know

1190
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: K D, Steph dre Clay, the organ I got a

1191
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: free ride, I got a free ring. So that's when

1192
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: they say NBA champ. I don't count myself as an

1193
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: NBA chair for the exact same reason you said, like

1194
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: the journey is what makes you want to say, like, yeah,

1195
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: I helped, I didn't sweat. I didn't. I wasn't in

1196
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 1: the motherfucking dogholes these dudes. I didn't get to guard

1197
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: Lebron and none of these other Kauais, So I didn't

1198
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: count my ship. So I feel you. It's it's interesting

1199
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: to hear you say that. That's how I feel the

1200
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: we competitors, Bro, we want to go straight up, you

1201
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We want to go. I want

1202
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 1: to go through that motion, ride through the season, and

1203
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: and and and then get rewarded, you know, for what

1204
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: we've been through. I don't just want that ship to

1205
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: bend me without no man, I don't mean nothing. I

1206
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 1: don't mean nothing like that. Take take me back to

1207
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: when you was in Photius. What happened to you and

1208
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: you and Skip Bro? When shot came and knocked the dog,

1209
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: Remember that he had like hit kid. He had threw

1210
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: a he had threw a dirty shot at mean, like

1211
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: like swung in, like hit me in the nuts of

1212
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: time down before. So I came down and try to

1213
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: try to head set a hardass screen on him because

1214
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: me and Skipper Cool he was Fresno State, My AU

1215
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: team was Fresno. I've been looking at the skip for

1216
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: a long time. But he he you know, he liked

1217
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: to talk ship and he had hit me in the

1218
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: nuts one time. So I came down and just trying

1219
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: to clean his ass out. So but if you look

1220
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: back on that, Steve Nash got drugged and shock pushed

1221
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: a whole two teams down on one push. So I'm

1222
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: coming down. I'm coming down the court right on the

1223
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: right side, and I think was coming over to set

1224
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: a screen. I'm looking at y'all ran through. What the hell?

1225
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: So I wrote? I rise up, hit the three and

1226
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: all hell breaks through. I was looking at y'all too,

1227
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go and break it up. Steve Nash

1228
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: coming there. I pushed the ship out of Steve. They stay,

1229
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm falling on top of y'all. I'm like,

1230
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: who the hell? I look back, big Feller, He cleared everybody.

1231
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: Broke act pushed everybody. You can say what you want.

1232
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's don't understand how strong he that big motherfucker is. Man,

1233
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: I learned. Man, it was a long time Shot was

1234
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: going up. I came over to try to smack down

1235
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: on him. The foulon about broke my goddamn oh bro,

1236
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: that was the last time I ever tried to come

1237
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: down on shot like that. Get about and forearms about

1238
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: that big bro, that big dog, that ship right man?

1239
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: Who was the one matchup you look forward to every night?

1240
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot in your area, but who

1241
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: was the one like tonight, We're going at it tonight.

1242
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: I mean obviously you know it was cold. It's number

1243
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: one on my list, you know what I'm saying. Of course,

1244
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: I give you some other ones that I look forward

1245
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 1: to that was tough. I'm gonna give you some. I'm

1246
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: gonna give you a couple of guys that for me,

1247
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: people don't think they were tough to guard. That got

1248
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: down Contino, Mobley bro Quick first step bro. I hated

1249
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 1: playing the quickest. I hated. I hated playing against Contino

1250
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: Moble Broge Stock of bch hated playing against page stock

1251
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: of the back to Jack's he couldn't do nothing with it,

1252
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: Bro wet Ball and another one that got the Doren

1253
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: Jamal Mash Firm Man Man Monster Man Master Mash was

1254
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: a mash Bird. He was a killer, yes sir, yes sir.

1255
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 1: He killing in the business world too right now and stuff.

1256
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah kill. But that Contino Mobley Bro. I like again,

1257
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,879
Speaker 1: it's funny because you can still see Cat Gray bearded

1258
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: out in the motherfucker Drew Lee playing against young twenty

1259
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: year olds killing, yeah, still killing, killing, and they're still

1260
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,799
Speaker 1: doing this thing. And Big Three that motherfucker had game.

1261
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: Bro yea man, but you know when I'm your boys

1262
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,960
Speaker 1: came along, you know, obviously broad and mellow. I love

1263
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: going up against them boys and the Wade m favorite teammate,

1264
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: favorite teammate team. Man. I would like to do that, Bro,

1265
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: because I played with I played with some great guys. Man,

1266
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't like this single one guy out. I mean

1267
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: I had some great teammates. When I was I named

1268
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: eight m I got eight. Yeah, I can't name just one.

1269
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: But Man, when I was in Toronto, Bro nineteen years

1270
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: old and I'm surrounded by Antonio Davis Muggsy Bowls, Deep Brown,

1271
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: Dale Curry, Charles Oakley, Kevin Willis Man. Yeah, that dog

1272
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: and and don't plane rides and the bus rides with

1273
01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley. Yes, I've been on something. I'm still a

1274
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: teenager with this dude. Can't keep in mind. Hey, I'm

1275
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: still a teenager with this dude. He puts man, he

1276
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: puts fears to me. Bro again legal age in Surrounto

1277
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: is ninety years old. Yes, I don't drink. We all

1278
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: at the club right, hanging out, all of us. He

1279
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: trying to get me to drink, like, Bro, I don't drink.

1280
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: He already lit he on. Hey punched me on my chest?

1281
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:41,639
Speaker 1: So hard? Are you bullshit? I'll damn bro no, big gass,

1282
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: heavy hands too hands bro Oh he hit me. Hey.

1283
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: I eased away from the crowd. I went on the

1284
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: other side of the club, and the whole night I

1285
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: was watching him. If he came out away, I'm going

1286
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 1: around like I stayed away. Was a different dude. I

1287
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: love him like he took care of me and Ben

1288
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: on the court like he was. He had mentality. You

1289
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: fold one of our boys, you got one of y'alls,

1290
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: like he was that type to dud Bro. We used

1291
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: to go shoot around. We had to shoot around at

1292
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: ten o'clock. Yo, ask better be off that court at

1293
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: ten o'clock because you're still on the court. He going

1294
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 1: to the ball rack coaches and all. He's slaying all

1295
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 1: the basketballs at the team. He ain't get him dead?

1296
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: Are you not? The players? At everybody here? At everybody bro,

1297
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: coaches players, He ain't care. Bro. Oh, it was different.

1298
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: So I ain't gonna say I gotta tell you. I

1299
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: gotta tell you all this story like Oak was a

1300
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: different dude. I'll tell you at nineteen Bro, he put

1301
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: fear of my heart every time we went out. I'm

1302
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: on the other side and I'm watched. Man. I ain't

1303
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: trying to do nothing else, but I'm watching this dude

1304
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 1: to make sure he don't come by me. So this

1305
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: just after I tell you all this story, this is it.

1306
01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say, oh, man, nay, I don't want

1307
01:16:56,400 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: to put him out there like that. So all those

1308
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: vets I just named, right, hold up if I know that,

1309
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: if I know the name, I'm gonna say it because

1310
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: I think I know. Man, No, no, no, I want

1311
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: to put him out there like that. Stack I want,

1312
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: I want to. I don't want to put him out

1313
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: there like that. So we find in Toronto, the Sacramento bro.

1314
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: It's the guys, right, the boys got the big bottle

1315
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: with that damil. Now, mind you, all these cats drink.

1316
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 1: I think I think Kevin Willis is the only one

1317
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 1: that don't drink. No, he didn't. Yeah, so old plane ride,

1318
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: they're drinking like crazy. I'm talking. I got a bunch

1319
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: of bottles. We're laying in Sacramento, and oh it's looking

1320
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: for the last bottom. My man don't even want to

1321
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 1: drink no more. So he hit the bottle on this seat.

1322
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: It was up to the chef. I saw the chef.

1323
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: That's my brother, my brother, my chelf. So he hit

1324
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: the bottle under my seat, under his seat, walking up

1325
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: and down the bus right on the way to the hotel.

1326
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 1: Hey man, wait, the motherfucker bought that? Who got the

1327
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: last bottom? Boy? Somebody like part of that? Buddy? Hey

1328
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: what you bought that? You hide the bottom? Dog? Oh?

1329
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: I was looking around, grabbed the bottom. Mind you. The

1330
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: dude is from Sacramento, clean suit. Oh he going home

1331
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: to see the fang, trying to hide the bottom. Oh,

1332
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: you don't want to you don't want to drink them out,

1333
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 1: all right, mother, you're gonna where it is and started

1334
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: and drenched it on it, the whole bottle, bro, bro,

1335
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: the whole bottle on my bottle. Hey, but he's sitting

1336
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: there like I'm mad as hell, like ready to get up,

1337
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: na chill dog, take that you got. You gotta be telling, hey,

1338
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: you gotta take you gotta eat that dog you got

1339
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 1: when you can't do nothing. If you get and trying

1340
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: to try to defend yourself, it might end up a

1341
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 1: little worse than just get. That's why I was like, hey,

1342
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: you gotta take that it, Yeah, take don't do it, man,

1343
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm nice toys, old bro, I'm saying. I'm like, hey, man,

1344
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: I ain't messing with this too. Bro. But I love

1345
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,640
Speaker 1: that cat to death, though, man, because I know he

1346
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: tried to die for you. Bro. Yes, high school journey,

1347
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: you jump in, you get a nice deal. What was

1348
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 1: it like to finally have your own shoe, your custom shoes?

1349
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: So I'm wearing the host in college shout out to

1350
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,679
Speaker 1: math from wearing the mac man, Yeah I got yeah,

1351
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: I had them on the college. Yeah. Nah. It was

1352
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: a great thing because you know, I grew up wearing

1353
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: my idle shoes, Penny wearing Jordan's wearing pips. You know,

1354
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: being out on the black top pooping in your your

1355
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: favorite player's shoes. I mean that that was something special.

1356
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: And then to know I have my old and see

1357
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: your kids do the same. Hey, man, it was I mean,

1358
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: what can I say? Man? God is good? Bro s good?

1359
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: It was. It was a thing to see. And then

1360
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: you you look back and see guys like running high

1361
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: school wearing your shoes. Man, my mom made it, Mama,

1362
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: My mom made it. Though. Who's one guy you wish

1363
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: you could have teamed up with in your career? Anybody? Oh,

1364
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 1: everybody want to play with? Everybody play with? Shock of

1365
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. Shack of Tim Duncan. I knew I was

1366
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: gonna win either. Could you imagine if Timmy would have

1367
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: came to Orlando with him and g Hill who Hill

1368
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 1: stay healthy? That would have been That could have been

1369
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 1: a dynasty. That was a big three right there. That

1370
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 1: was a big three right there, man, for that ass

1371
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: for real Mabory coach jeff jeff and Gundy, Man, Jeffer

1372
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: and Gundy was just I mean, here's his basketball actum

1373
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: it was like nothing that I have a better round.

1374
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: The man was super duper smart. He made sure that

1375
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: you were gonna you were going to be well prepared,

1376
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, going into games. I mean he provided all

1377
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: the information that you needed. Now I played for his brother.

1378
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: Stand was the same way. Attention to details, tape, shoot around, take,

1379
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: shoot around, knee pass. He wasn't ready to go. Was

1380
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 1: he precise? Was extremely precise. Man. You had to the point,

1381
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: to the point to the t he just got he

1382
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: just got a little rattled during the big game. But

1383
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: as far as preparing you to to to do what

1384
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,640
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do, one of the best ship I know.

1385
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: I asked you, bro, what happened in Orlando? Could you

1386
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: play with you? You you played with Skip in Orlando

1387
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: when youall went to the finals, right, No, okay, okay, Yeah,

1388
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: So this is the year. I want to say. We

1389
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: were one of the top teams in the East and

1390
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: they had played Orlando, had played the Lakers the year

1391
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 1: before the finals, and I came the following year and

1392
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: we had beat Boston three one during the season and

1393
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: then going into the conference finals, we are smacked Charlotte

1394
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: lock Jack Davis smacked Atlanta we were beating every two.

1395
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,559
Speaker 1: We were eight no, beating every team by like game over,

1396
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: some crazy NBA record average. Going into Boston, he wanted

1397
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: to change up the whole game play. And you know,

1398
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: this is the veteran driven team. We need to do

1399
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: a B and C two two. And this is when

1400
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard was in his prime, when the white Howard prime.

1401
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: You couldn't funk with the white. With the white smoth, athletic, agile,

1402
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,839
Speaker 1: motherfucker I ever played light was on this ship in Orlando.

1403
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: You couldn't funk with Dwight Howard. So we had like this,

1404
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 1: we had we had, We had d Howard, we have Vince,

1405
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: we had with char Lewis, Jamir Nelson, Petrice who else?

1406
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 1: We had, We had a we had a squad, changed

1407
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: everything up. Going into the Eastern Conference finals. You got

1408
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: a little nervous on us. Oh so so that was

1409
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 1: a regular season game when you did that the Kobe, Yeah,

1410
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: that was the end of that. That was the end

1411
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: of the season that March. So we were thinking, we

1412
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: were thinking, we're gonna see them again in the finals.

1413
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 1: I just wasn't there the year before. So play we're

1414
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: supposed to line up in the finals again, and then

1415
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 1: we and then you know what I mean, shifted on

1416
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: the Church's money in the Eastern Final. Yeah. Attention to detail, Yeah,

1417
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,120
Speaker 1: that motherfucker. Get your attention to detail for sure. Current NBA?

1418
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: Who who are you a fan of? Who are you watching? Teams? Players?

1419
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a fan of the game. But man, Katie,

1420
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 1: my young my young boy, Jalen Brown boy, uh and

1421
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: he always winning the tea Max, that's my guy. That's

1422
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 1: my guy. But that Katie, bro Katie is a bad

1423
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: motherfucking him. Polo and Paul George and uh Kau. I

1424
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: was looking forward. I was really looking forward to, uh

1425
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: seeing what the Clippers gonna do with the Lakers this year. Yeah,

1426
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 1: I really want to see that. And I just don't

1427
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: think we don't get that chance. Who you who? You

1428
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 1: had in the finals though, the Clippers and Lakers? Who

1429
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,720
Speaker 1: have finals? My preseason pick I had Clippers winning the

1430
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: whole thing. Bo me too. I thought. I just thought

1431
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: with the killers that they have and you got lou

1432
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: Williams come off the bench, bro, I thought that was

1433
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,920
Speaker 1: it was too deep. Then they added one added Morris twins,

1434
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: the Boorris twins, and then and Reggie Jackson. Come on, bro,

1435
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: they held a D A lot of dogs, sir, Who

1436
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: you had? I had the Lakers? You know, I kind

1437
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: of feel like, you know, Lou Williams would be the

1438
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: fact that because the teams are very matched up, you

1439
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I think if they could

1440
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 1: find somebody to stop the A D. The key X

1441
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 1: factors to me was gonna be if they could find

1442
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: somebody to stop a D and the Lakers had an

1443
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: answer for Lou Williams. That was my two questions. I

1444
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 1: just felt like the chap regardless was coming out of

1445
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: l A. I wouldn't have been surprised if either of

1446
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: them went. But I thought the champion, with all due

1447
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 1: respect him to Milwaukee and and the rest of you know,

1448
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: Boston was starting to hit their stride the side the

1449
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: team's Toronto in the East. But I just felt like

1450
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 1: the championship was going to come to l A one

1451
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 1: way or another. Yeah. Is there anyone in today's game,

1452
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: uh that that you mentor talked to? You know? Cod

1453
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: was kind of big on turning trying to give back.

1454
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: He spoke on giving back what he learned in his

1455
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: knowledge to this younger generation. Have did you find yourself

1456
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: doing any of that. I talked to Jen Man. You know,

1457
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: Jalen trains with me. He comes to the house. Yeah,

1458
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: so I worked in. I talked to him yesterday. He's coming. Uh,

1459
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: whenever they lift this ship off, man, he's gonna come

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01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 1: get that work in, gonna get in that last. So

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01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 1: that's that's my young boy. He's an intelligent dude too.

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01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 1: He I didn't really much of them when we had

1463
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 1: him on the show. Very kid man, very business sad. Yes,

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01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: I was very impressed with the way he just carried

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01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 1: himself and embodied like he's like an old son, very intelligent,

1466
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: but the older spirit. He gets it. Man. He's very

1467
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: sharpe and and a very sharp What team would you

1468
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: love to join? It to day's league? If you can

1469
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: play in today's league, what team would you would you

1470
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 1: if you had a choice to pick a team, what

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01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: team would you go play for? With the current players

1472
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: that have constructed house constructive? Right now? Yeah? Yeah, yes, yeah,

1473
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 1: put me in Golden State, bro, Yes, sir, put me

1474
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 1: in Golden State. I don't blame you, I don't tell me.

1475
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: Why talk to me? Talk to me? Man. Look, first,

1476
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: you got the greatest shooters in the game on one team.

1477
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:32,560
Speaker 1: That that's Clay and staff, Draymond, playmaker, ability, leadership. You

1478
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: add me to that? Who you gonna check who? I

1479
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 1: just just like that, just like Katie was on the team.

1480
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 1: Like you. You couldn't do nothing with them, can't do

1481
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: nothing with it. You know what I see? I see

1482
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: Tea Mac at the point, Jimmy Butler and then beat

1483
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: and Philly without Ben Simmons. I love him being but

1484
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: we might fight. I might fight and be gonna fight. Yeah,

1485
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: he real hes talented as hell, bro, but him, Yes,

1486
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that every night, every night,

1487
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: you gotta bring it. That man got so much talent.

1488
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 1: I think so much skill, so much man. I think

1489
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: he got to get in better shape. To man, I love,

1490
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: I love that kid's game, but he he got to

1491
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: be more consistent and get in better shape. He needs

1492
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: Yanni's attitude. Who would you like to see as a

1493
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 1: guest on all the smoke for us? I think y'all

1494
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: need to get fifty on here. Man. We've been trying.

1495
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: We've been trying. We've been DM. I've been DM, I've

1496
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: been on this page all. He got a lot of

1497
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: he probably the business man. Here's how you do. You

1498
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: need to get my my bro on here, lorenz Tate,

1499
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 1: get Lorenz Tate on here. He's right there in l

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01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: A with you, Matt, and then you could you got

1501
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 1: access to get it, you know right there inside right there,

1502
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: that's the plug right there, easy easy called We're coming

1503
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 1: for hey, artists. A song gonna repeat right now doing

1504
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: this quarantine, I play a variety and stuff. Bro, I

1505
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: mean I'm on that Ross Ross's Ross is my dude. Yeah,

1506
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: so under raged, so under dude man. And Wayne that way.

1507
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: We just had Wayne shout out way. We just had

1508
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: him on the show last week. That light of flick.

1509
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: You know what time is when you hear that light

1510
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: of flick? You know what time it is? Yes, sir,

1511
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 1: yes sir. What's your currently bench watching? I just finished Ozar.

1512
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm watching that's on that now. Yeah, just finished Ozar.

1513
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: I'm watching this show called The Outsiders. Well actually I

1514
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: just finished that. Just watch the Outsiders. Homeland your Homeland

1515
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: shout that's our brother. I'm up on that. And I'm

1516
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: watching the show Amazon Prime called The Hunters. Check that out,

1517
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 1: check out money heist on the house. I finished All

1518
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 1: American already. Oh hold on, and if you're on Amazon Prime, Tracy,

1519
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: google my movie called Tracy bro see what I mean?

1520
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 1: And man always always called team You've been saying Tracy,

1521
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: So you got me, said Tracy. I've I've been saying

1522
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: Team Mack my whole bro. I see how that is?

1523
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: Tracy crazy? What I got a movie? I gotta movie

1524
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 1: on Amazon Amazon Prime right now, right, and and I

1525
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: want you, I want you to check it out, right.

1526
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: So it's it's by me and my brother Boomtown. He

1527
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: did a lot of videos, right, and it's a it's

1528
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 1: a Southern version of set it Off. It's about four ladies.

1529
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: They catch these guys, um just say all the drug

1530
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 1: dealers and then if you find a way to rob them.

1531
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: They're not robbing hoods, but they robbing and do something

1532
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: stuff with the money. Man. But you got to check

1533
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 1: it out. I'm gonna say you the lake and I'm

1534
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: sending all that to your phone when we get off.

1535
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:11,639
Speaker 1: What's the call? What is it called called? Trill? Trill? Yeah?

1536
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: I think I think I came across that you got

1537
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 1: something to do with that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you

1538
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: know what's that? I got? Uh? One of your boys

1539
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: you grew up in p a man, he'd be bringing

1540
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 1: one of a kid. I gotta get his name for you, dog.

1541
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: He'd be bringing a kid from from Neitherland or somewhere

1542
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: up there where y'all, y'all where you from. He'd be

1543
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: bringing a kid down. This kid thirteen years old, bro,

1544
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: six five raw talent six five. Bro. Yeah, he's part

1545
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: of my organization, and your man brings him down for

1546
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: me bringing to the house. I gotta find out his name.

1547
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: That's dope, that's dope. That's dope. So what is your

1548
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: quarantine snack right now? What's what's your goal to right now?

1549
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: During lockdown? Ship? I just eat salad. I actually lost

1550
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: fifteen pounds, bro, because I'm able to be stable and

1551
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: work out consistently. So I'm just hearing brother shafting it

1552
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 1: up for me. And I don't eat a lot of

1553
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: jump man. I only I really only eat like two

1554
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: maybe three times a day. I'm not a snacker. Yeah, yeah,

1555
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: I messed up to Mac. I'm saying, trill thinking put

1556
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: author the movie is called Candy. What am I thinking?

1557
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 1: It's called Candy? C A N D Y. I'm blaming

1558
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 1: on the weed, not as hard said Trimazon from I'm

1559
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,679
Speaker 1: from Triolla Candy Bad. Hey, man, we appreciate your time.

1560
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time. Always good to catch up. Boys.

1561
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 1: Keep doing y'all thing, being the voice for the real

1562
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 1: ones out here. Man, y'all doing a great things. Brother man,

1563
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Got to come to the studio though.

1564
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 1: That's why, that's why we ain't going too deep into

1565
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 1: the interview, because we want you to come to studio

1566
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: and we really can dig into some stuff and all

1567
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 1: the stuff you've got going on all the court. Yeah,

1568
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: we'll do that. Man, Appreciate you, bro, And that's a

1569
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: rap Special Quarantine Edition Special guests, t Mac Tracy McGrady,

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01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 1: good show, Jack year breasted. You should look good. You

1571
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: need some kind of beard endorsement. Maybe Hugh, we need

1572
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: to make you the brand spokesman for Hugh's where man.

1573
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: That's my brother, all right, So we gotta make sure

1574
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: we we gotta start doing a beard some beard ship

1575
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: for Jack because Jack should look good. That'sh it blended

1576
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: in right with your great sweater. Should look nice, all right.

1577
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: You can catch this on the Showtime Basketball YouTube or

1578
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 1: all platforms, streaming podcasts, all of them. Good job, my boy,

1579
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: go game, good game, good game, good game. It's something

1580
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,719
Speaker 1: about how this place forms a differ a kind of person.

1581
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: On my high school team. We have five guys make

1582
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: the NBA. We had the County Rock Gat. You mentioned

1583
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 1: Prince Short's County. People know it's about It's the Meca

1584
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: of basketball. There are those who come before us, upon

1585
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: whose shoulders we stand. We're here for this area. You

1586
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 1: have to have tough skin, and the gym became a sanctuary.

1587
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: B G County guys provide buckets for America. Taking Prince

1588
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,759
Speaker 1: Georgia packs a lot of power, a lot of character.

1589
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,480
Speaker 1: It's nothing that you can do to stop that competitive

1590
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: and we're pushing the community and a culture forward. There's

1591
01:33:52,520 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 1: just in the water. This life was all I ever wanted. MH.

1592
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm not leaving, not yet. I was hoping you can

1593
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 1: say that you gotta hit the streets, make some money.

1594
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 1: People like us, Let's destroy people like him. Buckle up them.

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01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,400
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