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Speaker 1: Above All. Watch that first before you listen today.
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Speaker 3: Dune yay, dude, promisely episode one of three.
Speaker 2: I need my aboo done.
Speaker 1: Lords without give us well good, That's what we're here
Speaker 1: to do. So let's run through a recap of the
Speaker 1: episode together and then we'll share some thoughts and then
Speaker 1: if y'all have some Donelaurer questions for me, I can
Speaker 1: do my best to answer. So Dune Prophecy Episode three,
Speaker 1: Sisterhood Above All starts with Valia walking out of the palace.
Speaker 1: As we saw in the last episode, she has been
Speaker 1: laid off a tough gig.
Speaker 3: She's fighting, get by it, get out of you.
Speaker 1: She is, of course upset, but determined to get control
Speaker 1: of this whole situation. We then flash back to young
Speaker 1: Volyia and we visit for the first time of the
Speaker 1: show and for the first time on screen in June
Speaker 1: the planet Lanka Vail somewhere that how Stark I believe
Speaker 1: would feel very at home, and we see the illustrious
Speaker 1: Hearken in whale for industry at work.
Speaker 2: Good for them, it's going They're doing great.
Speaker 3: They're whalen.
Speaker 2: That whaling on the whale.
Speaker 3: That's where the money comes from. Baby, We're whaling on
Speaker 3: a major, major galactic scale.
Speaker 2: Okay, aboo.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question that came to mind
Speaker 4: when I was thinking about this. Yes, is that partially
Speaker 4: why the Hoarckins are always restoring themselves and laying in
Speaker 4: bathing in oil? Oh?
Speaker 2: Is that to do with the whales.
Speaker 4: And the kind of I always that was my first
Speaker 4: thought was like, is this some kind of tradition from
Speaker 4: the whale. You'll have to do some research and fill
Speaker 4: me in on that one.
Speaker 1: That's a fun headcanon. I'll have to do some research,
Speaker 1: but off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: No, I've always got a fun theory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very fun theory. Well, here on Linkaville,
Speaker 1: at the whale shop, Falia buy some meat for dinner
Speaker 1: and she returns home for dinner. Dinner at the harkanins
Speaker 1: is tense. Guys. Young Valia clearly the black sheep of
Speaker 1: the family, right, she's yelling at everyone. She says what
Speaker 1: I think was actually a really good line. She says,
Speaker 1: this complacency is a disease. And for folks who know Dune,
Speaker 1: there's a major theme of warnings again, stagnation, to embrace chaos,
Speaker 1: to embrace change. That's a big thing Frank Herbert was about.
Speaker 1: And so I really liked that she said complacency is
Speaker 1: a disease, very on brand thematically speaking.
Speaker 2: Maybe vals right, maybe Valias right.
Speaker 1: The rest of the family is very fine with living
Speaker 1: off of whale, the whale for industry for the rest
Speaker 1: of their lives, but she has greater ambitions obviously. This
Speaker 1: is also the very first scene where we see Robert
Speaker 1: Bobby b Brathian show up.
Speaker 3: This this I will admit it throws me. It's like
Speaker 3: Margaddie's got along and illustrious career doing many many things.
Speaker 3: I loved him in Jack Frost's Now Dad is better
Speaker 3: than No Dad. I loved him in a million different
Speaker 3: other pictures. I loved him in you know, A Night's Tale,
Speaker 3: of course, I loved him. But David Thrones, I just
Speaker 3: think he's got to go into a different vocal performance
Speaker 3: because I'm like, holy shit, it's Robert.
Speaker 4: I've seen the full Monty. I know, yeah, a different accent.
Speaker 4: I know he's got a natural accent, but it is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like Robert Brathian in space.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know what, that's probably why they cost him, Honestly.
Speaker 3: I mean I would tell you how they shit themselves
Speaker 3: this wayeless delicious, thank you.
Speaker 1: Just slurping up that wheel.
Speaker 3: So yeah.
Speaker 1: Valia storms after getting into this argument with the family
Speaker 1: and ruining dinner. She storms out of the room. Her
Speaker 1: brother Griffin follows her, and we then are at some
Speaker 1: cliff overlooking a frozen river. And this is where we learned,
Speaker 1: through some back and forth between the siblings, that Valia
Speaker 1: had actually discovered the voice a power that we've watched
Speaker 1: her use multiple times in the show, already during this
Speaker 1: traumatic event where Griffin fell into this river nearly drowned,
Speaker 1: and she compelled him to move his muscles and swim
Speaker 1: to safety, so we get an origin point for the voice.
Speaker 1: This is slightly different from the book, but the broadbeats
Speaker 1: are generally the same. In the book, it also involved
Speaker 1: her brother.
Speaker 3: Do you want to give us the Yeah, what's the
Speaker 3: book version?
Speaker 1: In the book version? It's honestly, I feel like the
Speaker 1: show did a good job making it more emotionally resonant
Speaker 1: because it connected it to the brother more directly. In
Speaker 1: the book, Vallya has already been like honing and practicing
Speaker 1: the voice. This is just something I think, Jason, in
Speaker 1: our first conversation, you said, this is like an R
Speaker 1: and D. Think she was a project she was doing
Speaker 1: on the side. That's what she's doing in the book.
Speaker 1: She just knows it already by this point, and she
Speaker 1: uses it to save her brother. Here, saving her brother
Speaker 1: as like the inflection point of her discovering it for
Speaker 1: the first time.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a good change.
Speaker 3: Yes, I have notes, but that's okay, we can continue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say it's interesting because I do
Speaker 4: think it's very anti what we know of the Benny jedzureit.
Speaker 4: You know, this having like this emotional relationship to your
Speaker 4: family or doing something out of love. I think it
Speaker 4: is not necessarily something that we would usually connect to
Speaker 4: the Benny Jesuit or the voice.
Speaker 2: Definitely, so I do think it's an.
Speaker 4: Interesting change, but I also think that it does make
Speaker 4: it more emotionally resonant.
Speaker 3: I also think I like the connection to family and
Speaker 3: how that generated the voice. I also just my one note,
Speaker 3: small note, is that it's too cost free. She has
Speaker 3: this immense power and it cost her nothing. There's no
Speaker 3: drawback at all, and that just feels not weighty enough.
Speaker 3: I would like it if there was some other thing
Speaker 3: there's cost to this voice somehow.
Speaker 4: Also, it would be very bleak, but very interesting. If
Speaker 4: she'd have been in an argument with her brother that
Speaker 4: she loves and then she used the voice and accidentally
Speaker 4: killed him or injured him or something like that because
Speaker 4: she didn't know how to not compel him. That definitely
Speaker 4: would have been an interesting Ringkle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good notes. I agree. Well, we clearly see
Speaker 1: in this conversation between them that Griffin and Vaalia are
Speaker 1: affectionate toward each other. They seem to also have similar
Speaker 1: ambitions to help house hearken in, climb the ranks of
Speaker 1: power and get that respect back on their name. I
Speaker 1: really hope nothing happens to Griffin the Lovely Brother.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely seems like that nothing could ever bad, could
Speaker 4: happen enough would be absolutely great.
Speaker 3: I was also going to say maybe it was because
Speaker 3: Mark Addy is there, King Bobby b. I also felt like, gosh,
Speaker 3: brother and sister are very close, aren't they wonderful?
Speaker 2: Like that's allow of chemistry.
Speaker 4: These two, I will say, I do feel like they
Speaker 4: did a great job of showing like how depressing it
Speaker 4: was to be a howken in at this time.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, living on whale World and everybody's like this
Speaker 3: is great. Whale World is just like.
Speaker 4: In your cold ass stone house, like god terrible, just
Speaker 4: eating out.
Speaker 2: Of your stone ball eating whale.
Speaker 3: It's like, what do we got today, whale or more whales?
Speaker 1: Put one piece of art up, you know, like one
Speaker 1: splash of color.
Speaker 3: Up.
Speaker 4: Just something guys, somebody dressing it's something yellow colored or something.
Speaker 3: Put something green in the house.
Speaker 2: Red, like even red, guys. You've got a lot of
Speaker 2: Whale Blood.
Speaker 4: I will say the interior design on the planet of
Speaker 4: the Hockins Lancaveil Whale World is not delivery. I'm not
Speaker 4: a fan of the esthetic. I'm a fan of the
Speaker 4: esthetic as a viewer, but if I was living that,
Speaker 4: I would hate it.
Speaker 3: So I get it. I do get While Vollia is like, guys, yeah,
Speaker 3: we cannot be happy with this.
Speaker 2: She's like this is bad. Guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got a point, and you know, despite her
Speaker 1: many faults, it is difficult not to cheer for her
Speaker 1: somewhat because she does have a point.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, rip to our guy Griffin. We hardcut to him
Speaker 1: just dead. We're at a funeral scene and we learn
Speaker 1: here that Griffin had gone to confront warrin a treadees
Speaker 1: the great rival that brought shame upon the Harkin In
Speaker 1: House during the Machine Wars, and allegedly boring New Trade's
Speaker 1: Murke disass.
Speaker 3: Whoops.
Speaker 1: And that's that's where we're.
Speaker 2: At now, Guys.
Speaker 4: I understand that, I'm sure there's gonna be some other reveal,
Speaker 4: but I feel like you shouldn't do this off screen.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of this happening. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: this thing happened off screen. I til like situations that
Speaker 3: are having.
Speaker 4: But I will say I understand it's hard to do
Speaker 4: an episode that is primarily flashbacks and keep the mystery.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I understand that we're probably gonna reveal that
Speaker 4: something else happened to Griffin.
Speaker 2: That's how it feels to me. But still him just dead.
Speaker 4: I'm not that invested in the how to Drain Your
Speaker 4: Dragon look alike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like for that to have a big impact, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do jump back to the present day. There's
Speaker 1: only a couple of present day scenes in this episode.
Speaker 1: This is one of them. The sisters have gathered and
Speaker 1: they are very stressed. They're worried about what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: now that they've all seemingly their jobs are at risk,
Speaker 1: and Bollia is trying to take charge. She's giving out commands.
Speaker 1: She's reassuring everyone, Hey, I'll handle this Corino thing. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. Everyone just lock in and do your
Speaker 1: jobs and we're gonna get out of this.
Speaker 2: We'll get out of it.
Speaker 1: Baby sister Mikayla that arrives with a text basically from
Speaker 1: sister Tula informing them that Lila did not survive the
Speaker 1: agony as we saw in the last episode. But silver
Speaker 1: lining we got somewhat of a prophecy that rhymes Oh cool.
Speaker 3: That's important. If it doesn't rhyme, is it really a prophecy?
Speaker 1: I will say. In the scene, Volliat immediately jumps to
Speaker 1: a conclusion and she's like, the prophecy is about Desmond Hurt. Obviously.
Speaker 3: I found that to be quite striking.
Speaker 2: Also, guys, yeah, he's not Jason Amoa. Guys, let's just
Speaker 2: give it a break. He doesn't have the juice. He
Speaker 2: does have the mentat juice.
Speaker 4: Potentially he has the psychic juice, but I don't know
Speaker 4: if he has the leading character juice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that felt like it is now not
Speaker 1: Desmond Heart. With how quickly Vally is jumping to that.
Speaker 2: Conclusion, I agree, Okay, that's I agree.
Speaker 1: The prophecy, at least, you know, is talking about someone else,
Speaker 1: not Doesnmond Hard.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be Lilah obviously, yes, but that's
Speaker 3: for another Yeah.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, we cut back to Tula back on Wallach nine.
Speaker 1: Tula is wrecked with guilt over Lilah's fate. She's standing
Speaker 1: over Lilah, who is in a coma right now, and
Speaker 1: one of the other sisters, sister Avila, comes in, comforts her,
Speaker 1: offers her some spice tea, and gently, very gently reminds
Speaker 1: her that there are more tough choices to be made.
Speaker 1: You gotta pull the plug Onla. We know nobody survives
Speaker 1: this coma. This is doing more harm than good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like, guys, there's free healthcare though. Just keep
Speaker 4: her in that, Like, you don't need to pull the plug.
Speaker 4: It's not costing you any money.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's really you know, I know it's
Speaker 3: really hard. You want me to do it, I'll do it.
Speaker 3: I'll chock her out whatever right right away, and I'll
Speaker 3: deal with this, like just saying you don't have to
Speaker 3: do it. I know you guys were clean.
Speaker 2: I'll do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, after that, we return to another flashback once more,
Speaker 1: where now with a young Tula who is on a
Speaker 1: family hunting trip with her new hunk of a boyfriend,
Speaker 1: Or who we will learn more about shortly. At this
Speaker 1: bull hunting trip, she's nervous about meeting the family. We
Speaker 1: get a sense that they haven't done the meet the
Speaker 1: parents yet. They're not at that stage of the relationship,
Speaker 1: and this is Tula's first time meeting ORI's family. She
Speaker 1: shows this young a Tredes boy how to skin and
Speaker 1: prepare the bait so they can lure the salution bull.
Speaker 1: When suddenly they hear a commotion nearby. This is giving
Speaker 1: very Carolter, Frivia and roach. But Aori's horse has broken
Speaker 1: its leg. There's no men to get at this point.
Speaker 1: It's better to put the poor creature out of its misery,
Speaker 1: and Ori is prepared to stab his horse when she
Speaker 1: stops him, runs back to her workstation, grabs that poison
Speaker 1: from the bait, and it peacefully ends the poor animal's life.
Speaker 4: Uh subtle foreshadowing spiceful of pain and let him die.
Speaker 2: She said, come jabah.
Speaker 3: Yet another again. Why this episode is like crossing my
Speaker 3: wires so strongly. It's another hunting accident in which Mark
Speaker 3: Addy is in the episode. Here we go again.
Speaker 1: It's true, yeah, plus a horse. Something that like really
Speaker 1: gave me cognitive dissonance was seeing a horse in a
Speaker 1: forest on a dune show on like a sci fi show,
Speaker 1: and it threw me off. It was really giving like
Speaker 1: fantasy show, very willow of that somebody had pointed out
Speaker 1: to me that like the vibe of this forest scene
Speaker 1: was giving Wheel of Time. I haven't watched the Wheel
Speaker 1: of Time?
Speaker 3: Is Wheel of Time? Game of Thrones? I mean they're
Speaker 3: leaning into the Game of Thrones tones, Yes, very strongly
Speaker 3: in this episode, and more strongly I think than any
Speaker 3: episode to date.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely.
Speaker 3: The sister who is generously offering to kill Lila for Tula,
Speaker 3: in fact has that where there stark accent, that northern
Speaker 3: England accent is piping out of her to the point
Speaker 3: that I'm like, god, worre wow, what we're leaning into it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think they were like, well, mark out, you's here
Speaker 2: a baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's make those Game of Thrones comparisons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna jump to what felt to me very
Speaker 1: much like a school of witchcraft and wizardry. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we stay within the flashback. We cut to Wallack nine,
Speaker 1: where Valia has been sent post Griffin death, and we
Speaker 1: see young Vollia be quite rebellious as a student, questioning
Speaker 1: her professor Dorotea, clearly getting on Dorotea's nerves. To me,
Speaker 1: it's giving very Harry Potter sever a snape energy.
Speaker 2: That was immediately where I went it's hard nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard not to make that comparison. Later on, all
Speaker 1: of the young trainees in this ceremony outside commit to
Speaker 1: letting go of their pasts and pledging themselves to the Sisterhood.
Speaker 1: Sisterhood above all, they say before being allowed back to
Speaker 1: the school, all except Falia, who remains standing, who remains
Speaker 1: conflicted out in the cold, crying, shivering late into the night.
Speaker 1: Even Dorite is like, I got stuff to do.
Speaker 3: I cannot come on, we got it, let's pack it in,
Speaker 3: come on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She ends up staying out there for the entire day,
Speaker 1: seemingly until nightfall. When Mother Raquella arrives and has a
Speaker 1: little one on one with Valia. She's like, forget about
Speaker 1: the vow for a second, just come inside yours cold talk,
Speaker 1: and Mother Riquella in this instance also witnesses the voice
Speaker 1: for the first time, so instantly Vali is an important
Speaker 1: character in her life as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, I will say, mm I think this is the
Speaker 4: most important moment of the episode, and I do think
Speaker 4: that it gives the title a very interesting double meaning,
Speaker 4: because we basically see here that the Hearkenin's like they
Speaker 4: just really want revenge and I think like Fahllia not
Speaker 4: wanting to take the bow and let go of all
Speaker 4: of her allegiances is setting up this idea of the
Speaker 4: Benny jeser At more of an awe as an arm
Speaker 4: of like.
Speaker 2: The Hawkenuns than it's fascinating on the value and Tula.
Speaker 4: You know, I do think that there is this kind
Speaker 4: of war but inside her about can I really give
Speaker 4: up my allegiances because I actually really just want to
Speaker 4: do this to get the power back from my family.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite interesting, especially considering that we know but
Speaker 3: in the present timeline that you know, Valia is by
Speaker 3: now rejecting every harcone in advance to like get them
Speaker 3: a sister truth there. That said, I do feel like
Speaker 3: we need something. This is a world in which behavioral
Speaker 3: programming is like the basis of a lot of these guilts,
Speaker 3: you know, the mentets and the Sisterhood. Later Paul Trates
Speaker 3: undergoes like various things like this. I think it's got
Speaker 3: to be something stronger than oath because I feel like
Speaker 3: if I was one of the other houses in the lands, right,
Speaker 3: I'd be like, yeah, don't give me in a harconin.
Speaker 3: I don't want a Harconin as might unless there's some
Speaker 3: kind of like ironclad behavioral programming that goes into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more like a trial or something.
Speaker 3: I wish there was more something like that rather than Hey,
Speaker 3: you're just gonna promise. Hey, we know you're your Harconin
Speaker 3: or you're in a trade's or wherever you come from,
Speaker 3: but just promise me would stand out here in the
Speaker 3: cold for like three hours and promise me that it's
Speaker 3: gonna be sisterhood above all, and there's gonna be no
Speaker 3: conspiratorial leadings. You're not going to be carrying out the
Speaker 3: ambitions of your family through the sisterhood. Just promise. I
Speaker 3: think we need something stronger than just a promise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I will ask you a question a boot
Speaker 4: and we'll do it like jeopardy. I asked you the question,
Speaker 4: and then we go to ad break and then you
Speaker 4: can answer off towards but like fun.
Speaker 2: But this is the very early.
Speaker 4: Days of the Sisterhood, right, so there's a chance that
Speaker 4: they have something else, Right, there's something later on, and
Speaker 4: then you can answer that in a more full and
Speaker 4: the both way.
Speaker 2: When we come back from that.
Speaker 4: Back, I'm I back aboo, tell us about is that
Speaker 4: something like Jason is us does that a ka lata?
Speaker 2: Is that something that we see set up? Or is
Speaker 2: it always just this?
Speaker 4: And obviously I feel bad when we say Jedi ESQ
Speaker 4: or sith esque because really all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Was taken from Frank Haba. But is it really just
Speaker 2: this vow?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I think a good example would be doctor Huey in
Speaker 3: the First Dune, Yeah, where it's absolutely shocking to everyone
Speaker 3: that a doctor's ethical programming could be overcome in a
Speaker 3: way would allow him to stab his ruler in the
Speaker 3: back in the way that he has. That's utterly shocking, right,
Speaker 3: And so I find myself just wishing there was some
Speaker 3: kind of mechanism like this for these characters who are
Speaker 3: immediately seemingly going to be put into very sensitive positions
Speaker 3: of advising rulers.
Speaker 1: Yes. And the answer to that actually is that Frank
Speaker 1: himself didn't really get into that until books five and
Speaker 1: six of the six doing books that he wrote. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: And by the time we get into books five and six,
Speaker 1: things are so dramatically different. The universe has been shaken
Speaker 1: by many spoilerfic things that I won't say, but we
Speaker 1: finally see the inside inner workings of the Benny Jesuit,
Speaker 1: which is great, and I think the show is doing
Speaker 1: a pretty okay job trying to model some of that.
Speaker 1: But even there, there is no sort of like indoctrination
Speaker 1: laid out in the books, even in books five and
Speaker 1: six that lays out, Oh, okay, these sisters are like
Speaker 1: ironclad indoctrinated into this sisterhood. The assumption, and I think
Speaker 1: this show is assuming. We're assuming this too, but the
Speaker 1: assumption is like it's part of their training. All of
Speaker 1: those books in that library that we keep cutting back
Speaker 1: to are part of teaching them why the Sisterhood's mission
Speaker 1: is the only mission that matters, and so presumably their
Speaker 1: training is what convinces them this is the life they
Speaker 1: should be living. But we don't see that.
Speaker 4: To be fair, Also, do you this is more of
Speaker 4: like a academic like as a student of June, do
Speaker 4: you feel like Frank left that vague so that there
Speaker 4: was space for the potential for betrayal or people to
Speaker 4: have their own agenda outside of the Bena Jesua.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is in fact what the entire fifth book
Speaker 1: is about, which is called Heretics of Doone Yes, and
Speaker 1: the entire book follows the Benny Jesuit and in fact
Speaker 1: follows Splinter. I'm kind of walking on eggshells here for
Speaker 1: spoiler reasons, but follows just like certain characters who are heretics,
Speaker 1: who are going against the dogma of the Sisterhood.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: I think what's intriguing about heretics in that late stuff.
Speaker 3: And another thing that I really find myself like grasping
Speaker 3: for in the show and not quite finding is that
Speaker 3: paranoia and the way that those books depict conspiracy as
Speaker 3: a tightly held secret that is like a missing piece
Speaker 3: in a lot of interesting questions like why is this
Speaker 3: decision made? Why is this decision made? I think one
Speaker 3: of the things that I think this is a note
Speaker 3: too many people know what the Sisterhood is up to.
Speaker 3: Within the Sisterhood, I think it's even down to like
Speaker 3: the lowly acolytes, they all know, yeah, we've got to
Speaker 3: have that just be like Tula Vallia and like maybe
Speaker 3: one other person and that's it. There's too many of
Speaker 3: these meetings where sisters from the other lands, right, are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've got to keep the scheme going. It's like they
Speaker 3: shouldn't not everybody should know about it. Yeah, and I
Speaker 3: think that's what's cool about those later books, is like
Speaker 3: how it depicts, yes, how you would need to put
Speaker 3: a conspiracy into motion within these larger guild structures in
Speaker 3: order for it to be effective. And I think that's
Speaker 3: one of the things I wish some of the sisters
Speaker 3: didn't know what the fuck was going on. I wish
Speaker 3: they were yeah, more in the dark than they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in fact, in Heretics it's actually this is
Speaker 1: one of the things Frank made explicit in the book.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Compartmentalization is like how the Sisterhood runs, right, and they
Speaker 1: will have parallel schemes, like two sisters will be scheming
Speaker 1: toward a thing, not knowing that the other sisters also
Speaker 1: scheming toward that same thing. They will have just like
Speaker 1: backup sisters doing backup plans just in case plans A
Speaker 1: and B fall through, and so it is very like
Speaker 1: need to know. But there is even in those books this, well,
Speaker 1: the Mother Superior told me to do this, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it. I don't really know why I'm
Speaker 1: doing this, but sisterhood above all. Yeah, Okay, let's get
Speaker 1: back to our recap and back to this episode.
Speaker 4: Well, this is I just want to say, this is
Speaker 4: actually very good place to come back to it because
Speaker 4: we're talking about that difference between sisterhood of Bubble and
Speaker 4: the clear drive of the Hearkenings to get back what
Speaker 4: they wanted, and we joined back at a place where
Speaker 4: that is big reveal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the big reveal of this episode. We're
Speaker 1: back with the bowl hunting trip back with young Tula
Speaker 1: and Or, and our guy Or is smitten.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's so in love, drops.
Speaker 1: To his knees. It hasn't even been a year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess if you know, you know. But he proposes.
Speaker 1: He proposes to Tula and starts envisioning their beautiful future
Speaker 1: life together, which is got to be rough on Tula.
Speaker 1: They have sex, So we're now three for three on
Speaker 1: to have episodes and sex scenes, got to have it
Speaker 1: and the tradees outside. By this time we learned that
Speaker 1: they are a trades because they're chanting their name. They
Speaker 1: are performing some sort of hunting ritual outside.
Speaker 3: They love those bulls, love those bulls.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tula the next morning reveals to Or the truth of
Speaker 1: her name. She is not Tula Veil, she is Tula
Speaker 1: Harkenin and to his credit. Or takes this really well.
Speaker 1: He's quite compassionate, he's understanding.
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm sick of this centuries old feud. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we don't need that. I'm in love with you, and
Speaker 4: this has been a great night.
Speaker 2: Nothing could go wrong. Like from here we can maybe
Speaker 2: bring our families together. This is gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's really I mean, this was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite moments in the episode because it is like
Speaker 1: quite poignant stuff about like how feuds and especially like
Speaker 1: old feuds that are just like they feed on myth
Speaker 1: at some point, like you don't even remember what the
Speaker 1: fuck we're fighting about anymore. We just know we're supposed
Speaker 1: to fight each other.
Speaker 4: And especially for the younger generations, it's essentially irrelevant.
Speaker 1: You're so distant from that exactly. Yeah, it doesn't affect
Speaker 1: you at all. So Or has this space to be like,
Speaker 1: who cares about this feud? Yeah, it shouldn't define our future.
Speaker 1: Here's the healthy way we should move forward from this.
Speaker 1: But obviously Tula, for her, the feud is like more present,
Speaker 1: like she just lost her brother, I don't know, six months,
Speaker 1: a year ago, whatever the timeline is. So for her,
Speaker 1: the feud is happening right now. It's not a thing
Speaker 1: that happened one hundred years ago. And we see that
Speaker 1: she has actually it's actually too late. She has taken
Speaker 1: the step of poisoning all of the trades outside with
Speaker 1: the soup.
Speaker 2: And I like this. She was like, look at me, poison.
Speaker 4: You a hole?
Speaker 2: Suspicious at all?
Speaker 3: Where did I come from?
Speaker 2: Who am I? You know?
Speaker 3: How did I stow up here?
Speaker 2: Questions?
Speaker 4: Also, can I just say, if we're talking about Game
Speaker 4: of Thrones, this is very red wedding.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yes, I mean red Betting, red betting.
Speaker 1: Oh well, poor Or also gets a gomjabar to the neck,
Speaker 1: essentially tula, which I do think she is genuinely heartbroken
Speaker 1: I don't think those tears are fake in any way.
Speaker 1: She's genuinely heartbroken by this. But she is trapped in
Speaker 1: her trauma and in this feud and in her grief
Speaker 1: over her brother, I think. And so she kills Or.
Speaker 1: But she does let that young boy from earlier get away,
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling he might come back. We
Speaker 1: really lingered on him along.
Speaker 2: I feel like that was a bad choice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on like a you know, a strategic level, Like
Speaker 4: I understand the moral choice, but I feel like that
Speaker 4: boy is gonna come back and that's gonna bite you
Speaker 4: in the gomjaba.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't let Grover Tully escape play exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: We then returned to Wallach nine. We see that Valia
Speaker 1: has now begun to thrive under Raquella's wing. She's been
Speaker 1: taken into Raquella's confidence and is in fact, at this
Speaker 1: point boasting to her friends that she's too much.
Speaker 3: She's next to line baby bas too motel anybody, but
Speaker 3: it's me, Mabe, I got it.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm like I understand that they're setting it out
Speaker 4: pare of as well of Fahya and Tula and the
Speaker 4: two different sides, but also like I feel like Tula's
Speaker 4: she's like a real one. Oh yeah, it comes to
Speaker 4: what she has to get done, We'll go out and
Speaker 4: get it done.
Speaker 2: Valia is all voice, all tall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like she's out here and she's just like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be in line to be mother superior.
Speaker 2: Like, don't tell anyone. I'm like, babe, slap ha, this
Speaker 2: is a bad boy.
Speaker 3: I know she's it's too much. She's got she does
Speaker 3: lean on the voice Regina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be fair. Her friends take it quite well.
Speaker 1: I don't know if one of you compelled me to
Speaker 1: slap someone.
Speaker 4: They're like, they seem started like you'd be like, guys,
Speaker 4: that's fucked.
Speaker 3: Up, Like that fucked up? What did you just do?
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, stop, please show us.
Speaker 2: I want to know how to slap someone with my mind.
Speaker 3: Show me the voice, please.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't wait to compel people against
Speaker 1: their will to do stuff. Show me how to do that.
Speaker 1: But her girlfriends at school are very excited to learn
Speaker 1: the voice, and Raquella is riding a high. She's gonna
Speaker 1: she's definitely in the inner inner circle with Mother Kella.
Speaker 1: At this point, we then cut to the agony chamber
Speaker 1: that we saw from the last episode Fine. Mother Rackuella
Speaker 1: is preparing to perform another agony, this time with dorote
Speaker 1: on one side and Valia on the other. Clearly the
Speaker 1: two potential successors, right, it's we're setting the stage. These
Speaker 1: are the two that will potentially be Mother superior after me.
Speaker 1: At the last second, though Volia chickens out, she backs out,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do the agony, runs out of the room.
Speaker 1: Dorotea does seemingly go through with it. After this, Riquella
Speaker 1: has another one on one with Voalia and she's clearly pissed.
Speaker 1: I think she clearly did want Valia to rise to
Speaker 1: the occasion and be the next Mother Superior, but now
Speaker 1: her star pupil has shown her true colors, and Rickuella
Speaker 1: gives her an ultimatum. I'm going to give you a
Speaker 1: pass a weekend past to go back to Lankaville, figure
Speaker 1: your family shit out, get rid of this baggage that's
Speaker 1: holding you back from rising to the occasion, and come
Speaker 1: back a reverend mother or not at all. Here's the point,
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 2: Could kill you, by the way, hey guy.
Speaker 1: So with that ultimatum in minds, Folia goes back to Lakeville.
Speaker 1: She talks to her sister Tula informs her that the
Speaker 1: job is done. Both of them are clearly emotional about it.
Speaker 1: And Tula, I think, is she's clearly like the good
Speaker 1: cop you know from the sisters, We're getting like a
Speaker 1: very good cop, bad cop energy and Tula even.
Speaker 2: Though she just committed like a mathmader, totally.
Speaker 3: A complete mass murder based on well, I mean, they
Speaker 3: do say that the Treades killed one of their family
Speaker 3: members first, and also there's the issue of the bad
Speaker 3: PR related to the Butleria Geehi that continues to hang
Speaker 3: over the family that said killing like a mass murder.
Speaker 3: I feel like it is also bad PR. But let's
Speaker 3: neither hear nor there.
Speaker 2: Like the Hockins do just.
Speaker 4: Have bad vibes as well, Like I feel like the
Speaker 4: show is not dispelling the Hawk but.
Speaker 3: Is not at all dispelling the notion that the Hearkens
Speaker 3: are bad.
Speaker 1: No, not at all, I will say, though. Her family
Speaker 1: quite upset. They're like, no, love, did you commit mass
Speaker 1: murder because your sister told you to?
Speaker 2: What? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And they're annoyed. They're annoyed that Valia's back. A tense
Speaker 1: confrontation takes place between Valia and her mother, and once
Speaker 1: again to Jason's point, we're leaning on the voice quite
Speaker 1: a bit. Valia she does the whole take out your
Speaker 1: knife thing in a tense moment with her mother, wild
Speaker 1: but is able to walk out of the room before
Speaker 1: it gets to the stabbing stage.
Speaker 4: Also, I do find this again very interesting setting up,
Speaker 4: Like Tula is more willing to do dirty what needs
Speaker 4: to be done, but Valia is she doesn't want to
Speaker 4: do the dirty work. And also she is finding that
Speaker 4: split from her family and more towards that sisterhood, whereas
Speaker 4: Tula like, she won't do it, yeah if you tell
Speaker 4: us she needs to do it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Which we to be fair, I think we saw in
Speaker 1: the last episode she can convinced a child to do
Speaker 1: a thing that was clearly going to lead to her death,
Speaker 1: and so Tula did make that tough choice there mm hm.
Speaker 1: After this confrontation with the mother, this pushes value over
Speaker 1: the edge. She's ready to break ties with her family
Speaker 1: and she goes out to the point I believe where
Speaker 1: she was talking to Griffin earlier and takes the Russick poison,
Speaker 1: undergoes the agony solo dola, which, to be fair, law wise,
Speaker 1: that is tough. That is difficult. Nobody does that on
Speaker 1: their own. To do it in a controlled environment with
Speaker 1: your sisters around you to support you, that in and
Speaker 1: of itself is nearly impossible. So to do it alone
Speaker 1: out in the wild, it's pretty bold. She does survive
Speaker 1: the agony thanks to Tula arriving and and what I
Speaker 1: thought was actually quite a beautiful moment, she follows her
Speaker 1: sister's voice like out of the agony and is able
Speaker 1: to awaken.
Speaker 4: I thought that was very cool, and I also felt
Speaker 4: like that gave us some insight into how people survive
Speaker 4: the agony at all.
Speaker 2: It is to do it that sisterhood.
Speaker 4: And that knowing that you're not alone in it, kind
Speaker 4: of like what you said about the Rossac poison, like
Speaker 4: doing it by yourself.
Speaker 2: A good moment between the two of them.
Speaker 1: I agree, and the sisters both decide that they're ready
Speaker 1: for a new life. They're going to return to Wallach
Speaker 1: nine together. I guess Tula just gets admission because her
Speaker 1: sister's already at the school.
Speaker 3: The legacy is the legacy. A lot of elite universities
Speaker 3: do the exact same.
Speaker 2: Thing, colleges, a lot of the great colleges.
Speaker 1: And they make the promise to each other that this
Speaker 1: will be a fresh start for them. We're leaving this
Speaker 1: family baggage behind and with our new family now, the sisterhood.
Speaker 1: We then cut back to the present day to wrap
Speaker 1: up this episode. The accolytes gather to say goodbye to Lilah.
Speaker 1: In a ceremony that gets quite tense. Sister Jen calls
Speaker 1: out Tula basically for being complicit in Lila's death. Here,
Speaker 1: she questions what the purpose of any of this was
Speaker 1: wasn't even helpful at all? What was this sacrifice for?
Speaker 1: Sister reveal it to be fair, jumps in to support Tula.
Speaker 1: I did like seeing the elder sisters support each other
Speaker 1: in this way. H After the sisters say they're goodbyes,
Speaker 1: Tula takes those things off of Lila's temples, seemingly ending
Speaker 1: her life, which we'll find out very shortly it is untrue.
Speaker 1: But real quick, we cut back to Selucia Secundus, and
Speaker 1: Volia does what every millennial had to do when they
Speaker 1: lost their job in the pandemic. We turn home and
Speaker 1: ask for help from mom and dad.
Speaker 2: Who knew this would be so relatable.
Speaker 3: By the way, will whale planet looking good.
Speaker 2: Looks like things that crab? Well, then I'm like, maybe.
Speaker 3: Things have gotten better on whale work.
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys made the wrong choice because it's looking
Speaker 4: kind of nice.
Speaker 1: It's not a cushy job, but it's a lucrative one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Perhaps.
Speaker 1: We cut back to wallach Nin and Tula for our
Speaker 1: final scene of the episode. A big reveal here. We
Speaker 1: learned that Tula has secretly put Lila in a spice
Speaker 1: bocta tank, basically and they're in this genetic archive room,
Speaker 1: which we've been hinting at this whole show. We finally
Speaker 1: see it from the inside. Final she speaks to an
Speaker 1: AI which the subtitles told us is named Annul, and
Speaker 1: the camera pants out and we see all of this
Speaker 1: forbidden technology and AI stuff in this room here, and
Speaker 1: then we cut to credits.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have another question for you before we cut
Speaker 4: to ask nice, is that canon to the Sisterhood of
Speaker 4: June book?
Speaker 2: Do this?
Speaker 4: Have the sisters always been using Butlerrian technology.
Speaker 3: PlayStations and xboxes?
Speaker 4: Exactly have they been playing Animal Crossing on the switch?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're back aboo reveal the truth about Yeah,
Speaker 4: the Benny Jesuit.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the truth is that Riquella's Animal Crossing
Speaker 1: Island was fire, the decorations were amazing.
Speaker 2: She was hosting meet ups for the other sisters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, Tom owed her money. That's how good she
Speaker 1: was at Animal Crossing. Yes, they've been using technology like
Speaker 1: this secretly since their conception. Basically, they've been breaking the
Speaker 1: restrictions of the Butler range had since day one. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: So this is Gannon. Yes, this is in the books.
Speaker 1: It's in the prequel books. It's actually in Frank Kerbert's
Speaker 1: books as well. We learn it all the way in
Speaker 1: book five again Heretics of Doune, we learned that the
Speaker 1: sisters have for their breeding program have been using computers.
Speaker 1: Do you calculate all of that and do all their scheming?
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it? Okay, what do we think of
Speaker 3: this show?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: Three episodes in let us discuss now a Boot as
Speaker 3: the law master. Yeah, where are we with this?
Speaker 1: Man? I am mixed? Yeah, we are three episodes into
Speaker 1: a six episode season, which is scary because I feel
Speaker 1: like we have still not found our footing. When we
Speaker 1: are halfway through a first season, I think I will
Speaker 1: say to maybe start with things I liked. I thought
Speaker 1: the writing of this episode better than the first two.
Speaker 1: Less like exposition, heavy, less relying on just like plot
Speaker 1: Domino's falling, so the next plot Domino can fall. I
Speaker 1: think we got some good emotional stakes and a nice
Speaker 1: emotional journey for our sisters. We finally have an answer
Speaker 1: to who our main characters are Tula Vallia. We get
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sense of like these are
Speaker 1: maybe the people we can cheer for or against and
Speaker 1: be emotionally invested in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say, does anyone feel I
Speaker 4: feel like this could have been the first episode?
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like it. I feel like it would
Speaker 2: have been cool. The show is called Sister of June.
Speaker 4: I think it would have been interesting to get to
Speaker 4: know these characters and their life and see that what
Speaker 4: led them to the Banny Jesuit. I also did like
Speaker 4: to see more Dorotea stuff. Yeah, I always like to
Speaker 4: see U popop because I think that I didn't love
Speaker 4: that opening kind of way we open and introduce Vallia.
Speaker 2: And kill Dorotea.
Speaker 4: But sorry, I boo go on because I do think
Speaker 4: this is not a perfect episode, but I do feel
Speaker 4: like it gave me so much more insights to who
Speaker 4: these characters were before we start their journey.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and in fact, I'm glad you brought that up, Rosi,
Speaker 1: because honestly, my big takeaway walking away from this episode
Speaker 1: was I like this one a lot, and I would
Speaker 1: have preferred it earlier, Like I almost would have shuffled
Speaker 1: the episode orders around a little bit with it, And
Speaker 1: obviously that requires some like resequencing of scenes to make
Speaker 1: things make sense whatever, But this emotional core of Volia Tula,
Speaker 1: I need it earlier. So the rest of what's happening
Speaker 1: in the Palace with Carino and Kira, Natred's and whatever,
Speaker 1: all of that has much more weight to it once
Speaker 1: I understand, yeah, what it means to Tula and Valia.
Speaker 1: So I'm mixed on the show. I'm obviously as a
Speaker 1: Dune fan, I'm going to see it through to the end.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to let the show tell me its story.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some incredible stuff to come in four five
Speaker 1: and six. I like things in isolation. I like certain scenes,
Speaker 1: I like certain lore things they're dipping into. But it's
Speaker 1: still the larger picture is still a bit rough around
Speaker 1: the edges from me. What about you too?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason, you had some good notes. How about you?
Speaker 2: How are you feeling halfway through the season.
Speaker 3: I'm basically the same as a boot I think that
Speaker 3: there is a good show here, and I think that
Speaker 3: I am actually quite hopeful that it will emerge as
Speaker 3: the momentum of the story takes hold and we have
Speaker 3: to commit to a timeline. Yes, I think that for me,
Speaker 3: it's two flashback laden and I feel like we'll move
Speaker 3: past that, you know. I think that the stuff that's happening,
Speaker 3: for instance, in the present timeline with the Riches's and
Speaker 3: the wedding Chesy is the wedding that's fallen apart this
Speaker 3: mysterious visitor from Iracus. That to me is like really
Speaker 3: meaty stuff. And I think, like, all of the here's
Speaker 3: how the sisterhood happened, here's how value Atulia got there.
Speaker 3: Despite the fact that I think the emotional stuff from
Speaker 3: this episode, which was a lot of the flashback material,
Speaker 3: was really median good, I'm less interested in this stuff
Speaker 3: that happened in the past and more interested in this
Speaker 3: current timeline, which I thought is really interesting. And I
Speaker 3: feel and I'm missing the momentum of that now that
Speaker 3: we've spent so much time away from it. Like we
Speaker 3: got some of this like crazy stuff happening and the
Speaker 3: death of the Duke of Chesy Sun and the mystery
Speaker 3: of the mirroring deaths by fire that is seemingly Desmond
Speaker 3: Hart has managed to and gender and so like what
Speaker 3: does that mean? And it feels strange to me to
Speaker 3: like step backwards and do that stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think about, hypothetically, reordering the episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I feel like there's a version where this doesn't
Speaker 4: feel like a flashback. It feels like an introduction and
Speaker 4: then your on Wallock nine, Boom, here's where we are now.
Speaker 2: Because you're right, when you do think about that first episode.
Speaker 4: Now, all the wild stuff that they set in place,
Speaker 4: it does seem.
Speaker 2: Mad to move away from that momentum. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like any show that's about wheeling and dealing.
Speaker 4: And yeah, prophecies and all that, so it's enjoyable. But
Speaker 4: I do think the funny thing is about the show.
Speaker 4: I think if we were still living in the era
Speaker 4: of like a Riverdale, right, which obviously this show would
Speaker 4: not have such fantastic production value. But if this show
Speaker 4: is gonna have twenty four episodes, I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 4: we're off the kind of a good start, enough dig
Speaker 4: into that. If it was old school, I would be like,
Speaker 4: I think that by the end we could be coming
Speaker 4: out with one of the best finales of the year.
Speaker 3: But six episodes exactly, even if the six episodes is
Speaker 3: like the Gombar hanging over the next.
Speaker 4: Exactly, even if there's three fantastic episodes, I don't know
Speaker 4: if they're going to be able to tie it up
Speaker 4: in a bow or leave us in a place where
Speaker 4: we feel like the things we need to be answered
Speaker 4: have been answered. And also, I guess in a show
Speaker 4: that is a prequel but is also jumping around timelines,
Speaker 4: but is also connected to two movies, I also think
Speaker 4: a show that this has to almost prove it existence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why does it exist?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I was going to say. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: no TV producer, so maybe I'm talking out of my
Speaker 1: ass here, But like, as someone who covers the industry
Speaker 1: a lot, I understand that there's maybe a multi season plan.
Speaker 1: But to get to the second and third season and
Speaker 1: get the checks to make the rest of your show,
Speaker 1: you do have to really prove yourself in the first season.
Speaker 1: We live in a media landscape where it just has
Speaker 1: to be banger after banger after banker. You know, you
Speaker 1: cannot wait, yees.
Speaker 2: Streaming does not allow. But the first season that doesn't
Speaker 2: deliver anymore.
Speaker 1: It doesn't allow for that. You know, we don't live
Speaker 1: in a world where like Parks and Rext, season one
Speaker 1: can be like trash. But it's okay.
Speaker 2: Because season four is iconic.
Speaker 1: Right, You'll get the runway to be iconic eventually, you
Speaker 1: have to be iconic now. And I'm worried this show
Speaker 1: is improving itself in that way.
Speaker 2: To that end.
Speaker 3: And I know I mentioned this before, but I feel
Speaker 3: like the missed opportunity to this point, and it may emerge.
Speaker 3: I think it could emerge, the missed opportunity to meet
Speaker 3: at this point in terms of bringing out like the
Speaker 3: central character of the Dune universe as it exists in
Speaker 3: the films and in the books is that we've got
Speaker 3: the machinations and the kind of chess moves, but there's
Speaker 3: like a deeper level of paranoia that to me is done.
Speaker 3: That's done to me is there's pieces moving, but I
Speaker 3: don't know why, and I don't know why these people
Speaker 3: are doing this, and I'm not sure that they know
Speaker 3: why they are carrying out the conspiracy also, And I
Speaker 3: know it sounds like a small thing when I'm like,
Speaker 3: too many sisters know what's going on, but I really
Speaker 3: feel like that's I wish the information was more tightly
Speaker 3: held in this show, and that even Volia would not
Speaker 3: be sure like I don't know why, I'm I don't
Speaker 3: quite know why we're doing it this way, but I
Speaker 3: feel like we have to, and I feel like if
Speaker 3: they could drill down into that paranoia more, then you
Speaker 3: have a I think, a really interesting show, because what
Speaker 3: you have is the sisterhood that is somehow managed despite
Speaker 3: the fact that the people involved in the sisterhood are
Speaker 3: from famous families that are competing, and yet you have
Speaker 3: a Harconen next to the emperor. You have like all
Speaker 3: of these figures from other families getting to advise other families,
Speaker 3: and yet the intersecting lines of why that might not
Speaker 3: be a good idea or somehow like papered over. I
Speaker 3: wish that stuff would come more to the surface and
Speaker 3: the questions about can we trust this group? Yes, you
Speaker 3: can trust them because they have given us these assurances
Speaker 3: and they but what do we think of these assurances?
Speaker 3: And I wish those kind of conversations were more at
Speaker 3: the forefront. And I think if you had those things
Speaker 3: at the forefront, we wouldn't have to like spend time
Speaker 3: flashing back to why did Voluntelia come here and what
Speaker 3: are the things that happened? Like, I think you could
Speaker 3: get lost in this paranoia. That, to me, again is
Speaker 3: what Doune is about. Dune is about political machinations and
Speaker 3: not knowing what people's intentions are and to end this
Speaker 3: story as it exists. Too many people know what the
Speaker 3: story is. Yeah, is just too much that is known
Speaker 3: throughout the story.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about how cool it would be if
Speaker 4: this had been like edited or told like a conspiracy thriller,
Speaker 4: because I feel like, when you watch this show, it
Speaker 4: has that stoic, slow moving Game of Thrones vibe, but one,
Speaker 4: we only have six episodes, and also it's not Game
Speaker 4: of Thrones. Having that paranoia, that conspiracy element would have
Speaker 4: brought a tone to it that would have maybe been
Speaker 4: a little bit more gripping or a little bit more
Speaker 4: of a given you more of a feeling when you
Speaker 4: watch it, other than being like, oh, this obviously costs
Speaker 4: a lot of money. It looks good, but I don't
Speaker 4: feel like it necessarily gives you that. Think about the
Speaker 4: Red Wedding, like the dread in the lead up to
Speaker 4: the reveal is so huge in yourself and do those movies.
Speaker 4: There are multiple times in those films where I feel
Speaker 4: like deeply unsettled, and it is rare for me to
Speaker 4: be enraptured in like an emotion like that. While I
Speaker 4: watched this show, and it would have been really cool
Speaker 4: if the emotion had been paranoia or fear or yeah,
Speaker 4: some kind of insight into what the women involved in
Speaker 4: this field.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to quickly talk about your observation, Rosie,
Speaker 3: like of the six episodes versus twenty four Old School
Speaker 3: twenty four, I think one of the ways this pops
Speaker 3: up is that, I mean, as a Boo noted and
Speaker 3: as you noted in wanting this episode to be the
Speaker 3: first episode, it's because it sets the emotional stakes for
Speaker 3: our characters. Is that too many times thus far in
Speaker 3: these three episodes, it's been character doing something and then
Speaker 3: the reveal of why, what the emotional motivation for that
Speaker 3: happens much later, way too later, And I think we
Speaker 3: need to just I think those things need to be flipped.
Speaker 3: I need to understand what the character wants, what is
Speaker 3: the want, what is the why are you doing this stuff?
Speaker 3: And then let the pieces fall into place and you understand,
Speaker 3: you know, you could set up the actions later. And
Speaker 3: so that to me is just like a weird that
Speaker 3: feels like something you do if you add twenty four
Speaker 3: episodes instead of six. But I do feel like I
Speaker 3: feel like there's a good show here still if it
Speaker 3: has not yet emerged.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's got the pieces for a good show.
Speaker 4: I would just like to see them yet. Yeah, a
Speaker 4: little bit shaken around before they're put back on the
Speaker 4: chest board.
Speaker 2: And we do know this show had a.
Speaker 4: Lot of production issues as well, which I also think
Speaker 4: is often why maybe it feels a little bit chopped up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm interested to see where it goes. We're
Speaker 2: halfway in.
Speaker 4: Who knows, maybe the second half of that season is
Speaker 4: NonStop bangers. Maybe it's the non stop bangers we need,
Speaker 4: I hope.
Speaker 1: So Okay, to round out today's episode, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to very quickly run through some lower Easter eggs from
Speaker 1: this episode. This is not a comprehensive list, but just
Speaker 1: some of the ones that stood out to me. Starting
Speaker 1: with fur whales. Let's talk about our furry friends here
Speaker 1: for a second. These are canonical. They exist in the book.
Speaker 1: They're sometimes referred to as John Dax, but more commonly
Speaker 1: they're just referred to as for we just literally fur whales,
Speaker 1: thank you. We're told from the books that the fur
Speaker 1: whales are quite dangerous, especially when they're being hunted. They
Speaker 1: are majestic creatures and quote dive deep into cold waters
Speaker 1: and escape, or they could turn on a pursuing boat
Speaker 1: an inflict serious damage end quote. So will hunting a
Speaker 1: pretty tough gig. I think we also see whale fers
Speaker 1: mentioned in the original Dune as well, not just the
Speaker 1: Brian Herbert prequel novels. Duke Lato in the very first
Speaker 1: book actually, when he's explaining to Paul what chom is
Speaker 1: and how the economy of the Imperium works, mentions that
Speaker 1: whalefer is one of the more sought after commodities that
Speaker 1: is bought and sold. And in the appendices actually we
Speaker 1: get this quote that explains the canonical hearken in Whalefer connection. Quote.
Speaker 1: The return of house hearken In to power generally is
Speaker 1: ascribed to adroit manipulation of the whale fer market and
Speaker 1: later a consolidation with Milange whale from Aracus end quote.
Speaker 1: As we saw in the vill Nuff films, they have
Speaker 1: a Racus.
Speaker 2: By that way, whale canning, whale world.
Speaker 1: It's all cannon and that's where the money's at. Move
Speaker 1: your money from crypto into whalefer. Okay, next up, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say too much about this because I
Speaker 1: want to not get into potential spoiler territory that might
Speaker 1: come up in the show itself. But we've heard Vori
Speaker 1: to trades a number of times now, and we learned
Speaker 1: today that he allegedly killed Griffin Harkinen and we get
Speaker 1: throwaway lines about this guy. He's still very elusive. People
Speaker 1: are just mentioning him. He has apparently showed up after
Speaker 1: disappearing for a while. We learn I think actually Bobby
Speaker 1: b tells us that a little bit of information, and
Speaker 1: this is true. In the book, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: chapters from Vorian's perspective. He's like exiled himself after the
Speaker 1: war basically to go live a life of peace, and
Speaker 1: then is pulled back in for one more gig or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much because we might
Speaker 1: see some of that in the show, but super long
Speaker 1: Vorian story short. Basically, in the book, Griffin is not
Speaker 1: killed by Vorian and is killed through a series of
Speaker 1: other random events. And so that's why I keep saying
Speaker 1: allegedly killed by Vorian on today's episode, because if we
Speaker 1: are sticking to book, there may be a reveal to
Speaker 1: come that something else actually happened, and it wasn't at
Speaker 1: the hands of Orian Atradees that was.
Speaker 4: My guy anyway, especially with what to how hard Tula
Speaker 4: went afterwards, I felt, yes, that would end up being
Speaker 4: yes regreted.
Speaker 1: So canonically in the book, something different does happen, and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what. Maybe the show will get
Speaker 1: there on its own in the next few episodes. The
Speaker 1: last quick little bit of lare I wanted to call
Speaker 1: out is for folks who have seen the Villa films,
Speaker 1: we know that iconic knife salute that Duncan Idaho and
Speaker 1: paul A trades due to each other, and it was cool.
Speaker 1: It's like a blink blink and you'll miss it moment,
Speaker 1: But when the Atrades are around the fire and doing
Speaker 1: the body paint, they are also doing that forehead salute
Speaker 1: to each other. So I thought that was a nice
Speaker 1: little touch and another connection to vill Love's films, connecting
Speaker 1: the treats. So there's a little bit of lor today.
Speaker 2: Thanks the br Thank you, appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Not a problem. On tomorrow's episode of X Ray Vision,
Speaker 1: you two are going to be going through your twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four books and comics round up the best of
Speaker 1: the year. Best year, I am very much looking forward
Speaker 1: to that, but that's it for today's episode. Jason, Rosie,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 3: Always a blast, Thanks for having us, Bye bye bye.
Speaker 3: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion and Rosie
Speaker 3: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive
Speaker 3: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer
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