WEBVTT - Dune: Prophecy Episode 3 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.120 Today's episode contains spoilers for Dune Prophecy Episode three, Sisterhood 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.480 Above All. Watch that first before you listen today. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.639 Watch it, watch it, Watch it up. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.480 Hi, folks, I'm a Boo and I'm Jason and I'm 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.720 Rosie and welcome to x ray Vision Extras and x 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.920 ray Vision Series, where we dive deep into even more 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.880 of your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 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So Dune Prophecy Episode three, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:21.080 Sisterhood Above All starts with Valia walking out of the palace. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.039 As we saw in the last episode, she has been 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.760 laid off a tough gig. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.760 She's fighting, get by it, get out of you. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.679 She is, of course upset, but determined to get control 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.320 of this whole situation. We then flash back to young 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.840 Volyia and we visit for the first time of the 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.959 show and for the first time on screen in June 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.759 the planet Lanka Vail somewhere that how Stark I believe 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:49.160 would feel very at home, and we see the illustrious 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.240 Hearken in whale for industry at work. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:55.120 Good for them, it's going They're doing great. 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:55.920 They're whalen. 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:57.880 That whaling on the whale. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.680 That's where the money comes from. Baby, We're whaling on 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.080 a major, major galactic scale. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:05.080 Okay, aboo. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:06.760 Let me ask you a question that came to mind 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.320 when I was thinking about this. Yes, is that partially 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.440 why the Hoarckins are always restoring themselves and laying in 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.480 bathing in oil? Oh? 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.160 Is that to do with the whales. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.200 And the kind of I always that was my first 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.640 thought was like, is this some kind of tradition from 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.000 the whale. You'll have to do some research and fill 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:28.639 me in on that one. 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.800 That's a fun headcanon. I'll have to do some research, 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:32.560 but off the top of my head. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:33.960 No, I've always got a fun theory. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.840 Yeah, that's a very fun theory. Well, here on Linkaville, 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.840 at the whale shop, Falia buy some meat for dinner 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:44.320 and she returns home for dinner. Dinner at the harkanins 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.240 is tense. Guys. Young Valia clearly the black sheep of 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.000 the family, right, she's yelling at everyone. She says what 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:53.760 I think was actually a really good line. She says, 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.040 this complacency is a disease. And for folks who know Dune, 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:02.400 there's a major theme of warnings again, stagnation, to embrace chaos, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:04.960 to embrace change. That's a big thing Frank Herbert was about. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.799 And so I really liked that she said complacency is 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.320 a disease, very on brand thematically speaking. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.480 Maybe vals right, maybe Valias right. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.680 The rest of the family is very fine with living 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.760 off of whale, the whale for industry for the rest 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.680 of their lives, but she has greater ambitions obviously. This 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:24.160 is also the very first scene where we see Robert 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.760 Bobby b Brathian show up. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.840 This this I will admit it throws me. It's like 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.680 Margaddie's got along and illustrious career doing many many things. 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:39.040 I loved him in Jack Frost's Now Dad is better 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:41.800 than No Dad. I loved him in a million different 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.160 other pictures. I loved him in you know, A Night's Tale, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.240 of course, I loved him. But David Thrones, I just 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.360 think he's got to go into a different vocal performance 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.800 because I'm like, holy shit, it's Robert. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:02.280 I've seen the full Monty. I know, yeah, a different accent. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.200 I know he's got a natural accent, but it is. Yeah, 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:06.920 it's like Robert Brathian in space. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.280 Yeah. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.480 And you know what, that's probably why they cost him, Honestly. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.640 I mean I would tell you how they shit themselves 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.680 this wayeless delicious, thank you. 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:17.239 Just slurping up that wheel. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.440 So yeah. 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.680 Valia storms after getting into this argument with the family 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.320 and ruining dinner. She storms out of the room. Her 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:28.159 brother Griffin follows her, and we then are at some 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.200 cliff overlooking a frozen river. And this is where we learned, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.560 through some back and forth between the siblings, that Valia 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.680 had actually discovered the voice a power that we've watched 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:41.200 her use multiple times in the show, already during this 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.680 traumatic event where Griffin fell into this river nearly drowned, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:48.400 and she compelled him to move his muscles and swim 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.080 to safety, so we get an origin point for the voice. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.080 This is slightly different from the book, but the broadbeats 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.400 are generally the same. In the book, it also involved 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:57.839 her brother. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.599 Do you want to give us the Yeah, what's the 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:00.440 book version? 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.400 In the book version? It's honestly, I feel like the 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.320 show did a good job making it more emotionally resonant 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.279 because it connected it to the brother more directly. In 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.480 the book, Vallya has already been like honing and practicing 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.039 the voice. This is just something I think, Jason, in 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:17.880 our first conversation, you said, this is like an R 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.520 and D. Think she was a project she was doing 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.240 on the side. That's what she's doing in the book. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.839 She just knows it already by this point, and she 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.880 uses it to save her brother. Here, saving her brother 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.080 as like the inflection point of her discovering it for 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:30.680 the first time. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:31.520 I love that. 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:33.039 Yeah, I think it was a good change. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.160 Yes, I have notes, but that's okay, we can continue. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.039 Yeah, I was gonna say it's interesting because I do 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:44.680 think it's very anti what we know of the Benny jedzureit. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:48.400 You know, this having like this emotional relationship to your 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.120 family or doing something out of love. I think it 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.440 is not necessarily something that we would usually connect to 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:55.839 the Benny Jesuit or the voice. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.400 Definitely, so I do think it's an. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.240 Interesting change, but I also think that it does make 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:02.520 it more emotionally resonant. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.560 I also think I like the connection to family and 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.040 how that generated the voice. I also just my one note, 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:14.280 small note, is that it's too cost free. She has 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.520 this immense power and it cost her nothing. There's no 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:23.760 drawback at all, and that just feels not weighty enough. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:26.800 I would like it if there was some other thing 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.320 there's cost to this voice somehow. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:34.720 Also, it would be very bleak, but very interesting. If 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.120 she'd have been in an argument with her brother that 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.240 she loves and then she used the voice and accidentally 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.960 killed him or injured him or something like that because 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.200 she didn't know how to not compel him. That definitely 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.200 would have been an interesting Ringkle. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.000 Yeah, yeah, good notes. I agree. Well, we clearly see 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:55.120 in this conversation between them that Griffin and Vaalia are 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.960 affectionate toward each other. They seem to also have similar 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.360 ambitions to help house hearken in, climb the ranks of 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.560 power and get that respect back on their name. I 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.440 really hope nothing happens to Griffin the Lovely Brother. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:11.000 Yeah, definitely seems like that nothing could ever bad, could 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.000 happen enough would be absolutely great. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.920 I was also going to say maybe it was because 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.880 Mark Addy is there, King Bobby b. I also felt like, gosh, 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:22.960 brother and sister are very close, aren't they wonderful? 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.320 Like that's allow of chemistry. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.080 These two, I will say, I do feel like they 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.920 did a great job of showing like how depressing it 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:39.680 was to be a howken in at this time. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.160 Well, yeah, living on whale World and everybody's like this 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.120 is great. Whale World is just like. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:50.720 In your cold ass stone house, like god terrible, just 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:51.280 eating out. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.400 Of your stone ball eating whale. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.400 It's like, what do we got today, whale or more whales? 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.960 Put one piece of art up, you know, like one 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:00.080 splash of color. 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:01.480 Up. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:07.280 Just something guys, somebody dressing it's something yellow colored or something. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:09.520 Put something green in the house. 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.000 Red, like even red, guys. You've got a lot of 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:13.720 Whale Blood. 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:18.920 I will say the interior design on the planet of 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.680 the Hockins Lancaveil Whale World is not delivery. I'm not 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.960 a fan of the esthetic. I'm a fan of the 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.000 esthetic as a viewer, but if I was living that, 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:29.760 I would hate it. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.840 So I get it. I do get While Vollia is like, guys, yeah, 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.440 we cannot be happy with this. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.079 She's like this is bad. Guys. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.280 Yeah, she's got a point, and you know, despite her 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.920 many faults, it is difficult not to cheer for her 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.880 somewhat because she does have a point. 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:43.280 Well. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.360 Unfortunately, rip to our guy Griffin. We hardcut to him 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.480 just dead. We're at a funeral scene and we learn 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:53.959 here that Griffin had gone to confront warrin a treadees 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.040 the great rival that brought shame upon the Harkin In 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:01.360 House during the Machine Wars, and allegedly boring New Trade's 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:02.160 Murke disass. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:02.640 Whoops. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:03.880 And that's that's where we're. 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:04.400 At now, Guys. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.480 I understand that, I'm sure there's gonna be some other reveal, 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.920 but I feel like you shouldn't do this off screen. 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:14.160 There's a lot of this happening. There's a lot of 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.960 this thing happened off screen. I til like situations that 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:17.480 are having. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.960 But I will say I understand it's hard to do 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.280 an episode that is primarily flashbacks and keep the mystery. 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.040 I'm like, I understand that we're probably gonna reveal that 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.240 something else happened to Griffin. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.000 That's how it feels to me. But still him just dead. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.080 I'm not that invested in the how to Drain Your 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:35.000 Dragon look alike. 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.200 Yeah, like for that to have a big impact, you know. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.320 Yeah, we do jump back to the present day. There's 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.840 only a couple of present day scenes in this episode. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.000 This is one of them. The sisters have gathered and 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.480 they are very stressed. They're worried about what's gonna happen 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:54.640 now that they've all seemingly their jobs are at risk, 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.360 and Bollia is trying to take charge. She's giving out commands. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:03.240 She's reassuring everyone, Hey, I'll handle this Corino thing. It's 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.040 gonna be okay. Everyone just lock in and do your 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.040 jobs and we're gonna get out of this. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:08.920 We'll get out of it. 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.480 Baby sister Mikayla that arrives with a text basically from 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.240 sister Tula informing them that Lila did not survive the 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.680 agony as we saw in the last episode. But silver 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:24.319 lining we got somewhat of a prophecy that rhymes Oh cool. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.400 That's important. If it doesn't rhyme, is it really a prophecy? 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.520 I will say. In the scene, Volliat immediately jumps to 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.520 a conclusion and she's like, the prophecy is about Desmond Hurt. Obviously. 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:37.000 I found that to be quite striking. 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.400 Also, guys, yeah, he's not Jason Amoa. Guys, let's just 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.040 give it a break. He doesn't have the juice. He 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:44.400 does have the mentat juice. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.800 Potentially he has the psychic juice, but I don't know 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.800 if he has the leading character juice. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.520 Yeah, to me, that felt like it is now not 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.280 Desmond Heart. With how quickly Vally is jumping to that. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.000 Conclusion, I agree, Okay, that's I agree. 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.280 The prophecy, at least, you know, is talking about someone else, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:00.959 not Doesnmond Hard. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.559 I think it's gonna be Lilah obviously, yes, but that's 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.040 for another Yeah. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:07.640 Meanwhile, we cut back to Tula back on Wallach nine. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.800 Tula is wrecked with guilt over Lilah's fate. She's standing 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.679 over Lilah, who is in a coma right now, and 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:17.800 one of the other sisters, sister Avila, comes in, comforts her, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:23.400 offers her some spice tea, and gently, very gently reminds 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.280 her that there are more tough choices to be made. 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:30.120 You gotta pull the plug Onla. We know nobody survives 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.000 this coma. This is doing more harm than good. 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.000 Yeah, I'm like, guys, there's free healthcare though. Just keep 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.720 her in that, Like, you don't need to pull the plug. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:38.840 It's not costing you any money. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:40.400 I'm just saying it's really you know, I know it's 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.080 really hard. You want me to do it, I'll do it. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.040 I'll chock her out whatever right right away, and I'll 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:46.840 deal with this, like just saying you don't have to 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.240 do it. I know you guys were clean. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:49.040 I'll do it. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:53.640 Yeah. Well, after that, we return to another flashback once more, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.360 where now with a young Tula who is on a 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.440 family hunting trip with her new hunk of a boyfriend, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.720 Or who we will learn more about shortly. At this 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.840 bull hunting trip, she's nervous about meeting the family. We 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.560 get a sense that they haven't done the meet the 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.040 parents yet. They're not at that stage of the relationship, 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.640 and this is Tula's first time meeting ORI's family. She 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.520 shows this young a Tredes boy how to skin and 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.679 prepare the bait so they can lure the salution bull. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:27.680 When suddenly they hear a commotion nearby. This is giving 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:32.800 very Carolter, Frivia and roach. But Aori's horse has broken 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.680 its leg. There's no men to get at this point. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.240 It's better to put the poor creature out of its misery, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.160 and Ori is prepared to stab his horse when she 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.560 stops him, runs back to her workstation, grabs that poison 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.080 from the bait, and it peacefully ends the poor animal's life. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:54.520 Uh subtle foreshadowing spiceful of pain and let him die. 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:57.600 She said, come jabah. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:05.160 Yet another again. Why this episode is like crossing my 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:09.960 wires so strongly. It's another hunting accident in which Mark 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.360 Addy is in the episode. Here we go again. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.200 It's true, yeah, plus a horse. Something that like really 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.560 gave me cognitive dissonance was seeing a horse in a 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.320 forest on a dune show on like a sci fi show, 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.640 and it threw me off. It was really giving like 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.199 fantasy show, very willow of that somebody had pointed out 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.760 to me that like the vibe of this forest scene 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.520 was giving Wheel of Time. I haven't watched the Wheel 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:36.840 of Time? 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.640 Is Wheel of Time? Game of Thrones? I mean they're 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.560 leaning into the Game of Thrones tones, Yes, very strongly 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.520 in this episode, and more strongly I think than any 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.000 episode to date. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:53.480 Oh definitely. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:58.520 The sister who is generously offering to kill Lila for Tula, 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:03.600 in fact has that where there stark accent, that northern 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.920 England accent is piping out of her to the point 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.240 that I'm like, god, worre wow, what we're leaning into it? 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:10.520 Yeah? 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.319 I think they were like, well, mark out, you's here 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:12.840 a baby. 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.400 Yeah, so let's make those Game of Thrones comparisons. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.280 Yeah, we're gonna jump to what felt to me very 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:24.000 much like a school of witchcraft and wizardry. Yeah, but 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.880 we stay within the flashback. We cut to Wallack nine, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.440 where Valia has been sent post Griffin death, and we 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.200 see young Vollia be quite rebellious as a student, questioning 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:38.720 her professor Dorotea, clearly getting on Dorotea's nerves. To me, 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.479 it's giving very Harry Potter sever a snape energy. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.640 That was immediately where I went it's hard nothing. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:47.480 Yeah, hard not to make that comparison. Later on, all 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:52.560 of the young trainees in this ceremony outside commit to 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.680 letting go of their pasts and pledging themselves to the Sisterhood. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.160 Sisterhood above all, they say before being allowed back to 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.560 the school, all except Falia, who remains standing, who remains 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:09.240 conflicted out in the cold, crying, shivering late into the night. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.840 Even Dorite is like, I got stuff to do. 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:16.240 I cannot come on, we got it, let's pack it in, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:16.640 come on. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:17.040 Yeah. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.400 She ends up staying out there for the entire day, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:24.960 seemingly until nightfall. When Mother Raquella arrives and has a 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.240 little one on one with Valia. She's like, forget about 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.680 the vow for a second, just come inside yours cold talk, 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.760 and Mother Riquella in this instance also witnesses the voice 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:38.800 for the first time, so instantly Vali is an important 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:40.480 character in her life as well. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.760 Okay, I will say, mm I think this is the 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:48.040 most important moment of the episode, and I do think 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.400 that it gives the title a very interesting double meaning, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.840 because we basically see here that the Hearkenin's like they 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.840 just really want revenge and I think like Fahllia not 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.840 wanting to take the bow and let go of all 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.640 of her allegiances is setting up this idea of the 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.880 Benny jeser At more of an awe as an arm 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:08.360 of like. 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:12.640 The Hawkenuns than it's fascinating on the value and Tula. 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.720 You know, I do think that there is this kind 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.680 of war but inside her about can I really give 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.920 up my allegiances because I actually really just want to 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:23.800 do this to get the power back from my family. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.680 Yeah, it's quite interesting, especially considering that we know but 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.360 in the present timeline that you know, Valia is by 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:35.080 now rejecting every harcone in advance to like get them 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:39.480 a sister truth there. That said, I do feel like 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:43.960 we need something. This is a world in which behavioral 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.200 programming is like the basis of a lot of these guilts, 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.360 you know, the mentets and the Sisterhood. Later Paul Trates 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.880 undergoes like various things like this. I think it's got 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.680 to be something stronger than oath because I feel like 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.080 if I was one of the other houses in the lands, right, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:03.840 I'd be like, yeah, don't give me in a harconin. 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:08.200 I don't want a Harconin as might unless there's some 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.720 kind of like ironclad behavioral programming that goes into it. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.320 Yeah, more like a trial or something. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.760 I wish there was more something like that rather than Hey, 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.919 you're just gonna promise. Hey, we know you're your Harconin 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:23.720 or you're in a trade's or wherever you come from, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.000 but just promise me would stand out here in the 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.600 cold for like three hours and promise me that it's 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.840 gonna be sisterhood above all, and there's gonna be no 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.600 conspiratorial leadings. You're not going to be carrying out the 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.639 ambitions of your family through the sisterhood. Just promise. I 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.240 think we need something stronger than just a promise. 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.520 Yeah, okay, I will ask you a question a boot 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.359 and we'll do it like jeopardy. I asked you the question, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.159 and then we go to ad break and then you 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:49.920 can answer off towards but like fun. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.680 But this is the very early. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.879 Days of the Sisterhood, right, so there's a chance that 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.159 they have something else, Right, there's something later on, and 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.760 then you can answer that in a more full and 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:02.520 the both way. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.320 When we come back from that. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:23.359 Back, I'm I back aboo, tell us about is that 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.960 something like Jason is us does that a ka lata? 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.399 Is that something that we see set up? Or is 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:30.320 it always just this? 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.560 And obviously I feel bad when we say Jedi ESQ 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.240 or sith esque because really all that stuff. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.479 Was taken from Frank Haba. But is it really just 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:39.000 this vow? 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:39.480 Well? 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.040 I think a good example would be doctor Huey in 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.400 the First Dune, Yeah, where it's absolutely shocking to everyone 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.119 that a doctor's ethical programming could be overcome in a 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:55.679 way would allow him to stab his ruler in the 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.600 back in the way that he has. That's utterly shocking, right, 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.639 And so I find myself just wishing there was some 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.600 kind of mechanism like this for these characters who are 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:09.679 immediately seemingly going to be put into very sensitive positions 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:12.360 of advising rulers. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.480 Yes. And the answer to that actually is that Frank 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:20.320 himself didn't really get into that until books five and 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.400 six of the six doing books that he wrote. Oh okay, 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.440 And by the time we get into books five and six, 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.719 things are so dramatically different. The universe has been shaken 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:33.960 by many spoilerfic things that I won't say, but we 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:38.760 finally see the inside inner workings of the Benny Jesuit, 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.960 which is great, and I think the show is doing 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.480 a pretty okay job trying to model some of that. 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:49.880 But even there, there is no sort of like indoctrination 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:53.040 laid out in the books, even in books five and 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:55.600 six that lays out, Oh, okay, these sisters are like 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:01.760 ironclad indoctrinated into this sisterhood. The assumption, and I think 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.399 this show is assuming. We're assuming this too, but the 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.840 assumption is like it's part of their training. All of 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:08.919 those books in that library that we keep cutting back 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.040 to are part of teaching them why the Sisterhood's mission 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:15.760 is the only mission that matters, and so presumably their 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.280 training is what convinces them this is the life they 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.000 should be living. But we don't see that. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.159 To be fair, Also, do you this is more of 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.760 like a academic like as a student of June, do 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.600 you feel like Frank left that vague so that there 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:32.639