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Speaker 1: Today's episode contains spoilers for Dune Prophecy Episode three, Sisterhood

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Speaker 1: Above All. Watch that first before you listen today.

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Speaker 2: Watch it, watch it, Watch it up.

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Speaker 1: Hi, folks, I'm a Boo and I'm Jason and I'm

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Speaker 1: talk about it, like today, and then they're just gonna

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Speaker 1: be here. Jason, I'm excited to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Dune yay, dude, promisely episode one of three.

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Speaker 2: I need my aboo done.

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Speaker 1: Lords without give us well good, That's what we're here

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Speaker 1: to do. So let's run through a recap of the

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Speaker 1: episode together and then we'll share some thoughts and then

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Speaker 1: if y'all have some Donelaurer questions for me, I can

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Speaker 1: do my best to answer. So Dune Prophecy Episode three,

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Speaker 1: Sisterhood Above All starts with Valia walking out of the palace.

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Speaker 1: As we saw in the last episode, she has been

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Speaker 1: laid off a tough gig.

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Speaker 3: She's fighting, get by it, get out of you.

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Speaker 1: She is, of course upset, but determined to get control

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Speaker 1: of this whole situation. We then flash back to young

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Speaker 1: Volyia and we visit for the first time of the

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Speaker 1: show and for the first time on screen in June

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Speaker 1: the planet Lanka Vail somewhere that how Stark I believe

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Speaker 1: would feel very at home, and we see the illustrious

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Speaker 2: Good for them, it's going They're doing great.

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Speaker 3: They're whalen.

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Speaker 2: That whaling on the whale.

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Speaker 3: That's where the money comes from. Baby, We're whaling on

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Speaker 3: a major, major galactic scale.

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Speaker 2: Okay, aboo.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question that came to mind

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Speaker 4: when I was thinking about this. Yes, is that partially

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Speaker 4: why the Hoarckins are always restoring themselves and laying in

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Speaker 4: bathing in oil? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Is that to do with the whales.

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Speaker 4: And the kind of I always that was my first

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Speaker 4: thought was like, is this some kind of tradition from

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Speaker 4: the whale. You'll have to do some research and fill

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Speaker 4: me in on that one.

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Speaker 1: That's a fun headcanon. I'll have to do some research,

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Speaker 1: but off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: No, I've always got a fun theory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very fun theory. Well, here on Linkaville,

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Speaker 1: at the whale shop, Falia buy some meat for dinner

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Speaker 1: and she returns home for dinner. Dinner at the harkanins

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Speaker 1: is tense. Guys. Young Valia clearly the black sheep of

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Speaker 1: the family, right, she's yelling at everyone. She says what

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Speaker 1: I think was actually a really good line. She says,

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Speaker 1: this complacency is a disease. And for folks who know Dune,

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Speaker 1: there's a major theme of warnings again, stagnation, to embrace chaos,

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Speaker 1: And so I really liked that she said complacency is

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Speaker 2: Maybe vals right, maybe Valias right.

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Speaker 1: The rest of the family is very fine with living

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Speaker 1: of their lives, but she has greater ambitions obviously. This

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Speaker 3: This this I will admit it throws me. It's like

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Speaker 3: Margaddie's got along and illustrious career doing many many things.

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Speaker 3: I loved him in Jack Frost's Now Dad is better

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Speaker 3: other pictures. I loved him in you know, A Night's Tale,

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Speaker 3: of course, I loved him. But David Thrones, I just

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Speaker 4: I've seen the full Monty. I know, yeah, a different accent.

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Speaker 4: I know he's got a natural accent, but it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's like Robert Brathian in space.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, that's probably why they cost him, Honestly.

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Speaker 3: I mean I would tell you how they shit themselves

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Speaker 1: Valia storms after getting into this argument with the family

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Speaker 1: This is slightly different from the book, but the broadbeats

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Speaker 3: Do you want to give us the Yeah, what's the

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Speaker 1: She just knows it already by this point, and she

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was a good change.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have notes, but that's okay, we can continue.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say it's interesting because I do

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Speaker 4: You know, this having like this emotional relationship to your

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Speaker 2: Definitely, so I do think it's an.

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Speaker 4: Interesting change, but I also think that it does make

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Speaker 3: I also think I like the connection to family and

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Speaker 4: Also, it would be very bleak, but very interesting. If

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, good notes. I agree. Well, we clearly see

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Speaker 2: Like that's allow of chemistry.

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Speaker 4: These two, I will say, I do feel like they

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, living on whale World and everybody's like this

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Speaker 2: Of your stone ball eating whale.

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Speaker 3: It's like, what do we got today, whale or more whales?

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Speaker 1: Put one piece of art up, you know, like one

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Speaker 3: Up.

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Speaker 3: So I get it. I do get While Vollia is like, guys, yeah,

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Speaker 2: She's like this is bad. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got a point, and you know, despite her

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, rip to our guy Griffin. We hardcut to him

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Speaker 2: That's how it feels to me. But still him just dead.

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Speaker 4: I'm not that invested in the how to Drain Your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like for that to have a big impact, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we do jump back to the present day. There's

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Speaker 2: We'll get out of it.

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Speaker 1: Baby sister Mikayla that arrives with a text basically from

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Speaker 1: lining we got somewhat of a prophecy that rhymes Oh cool.

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Speaker 3: That's important. If it doesn't rhyme, is it really a prophecy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's make those Game of Thrones comparisons.

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Speaker 1: will have parallel schemes, like two sisters will be scheming

439
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: toward a thing, not knowing that the other sisters also

440
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: scheming toward that same thing. They will have just like

441
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 1: backup sisters doing backup plans just in case plans A

442
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: and B fall through, and so it is very like

443
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 1: need to know. But there is even in those books this, well,

444
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 1: the Mother Superior told me to do this, so I'm

445
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 1: going to do it. I don't really know why I'm

446
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: doing this, but sisterhood above all. Yeah, Okay, let's get

447
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: back to our recap and back to this episode.

448
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 4: Well, this is I just want to say, this is

449
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 4: actually very good place to come back to it because

450
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 4: we're talking about that difference between sisterhood of Bubble and

451
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 4: the clear drive of the Hearkenings to get back what

452
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 4: they wanted, and we joined back at a place where

453
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 4: that is big reveal.

454
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the big reveal of this episode. We're

455
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: back with the bowl hunting trip back with young Tula

456
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: and Or, and our guy Or is smitten.

457
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 2: Oh, he's so in love, drops.

458
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: To his knees. It hasn't even been a year. I mean,

459
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: I guess if you know, you know. But he proposes.

460
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: He proposes to Tula and starts envisioning their beautiful future

461
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: life together, which is got to be rough on Tula.

462
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: They have sex, So we're now three for three on

463
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: to have episodes and sex scenes, got to have it

464
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: and the tradees outside. By this time we learned that

465
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 1: they are a trades because they're chanting their name. They

466
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: are performing some sort of hunting ritual outside.

467
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: They love those bulls, love those bulls.

468
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

469
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: Tula the next morning reveals to Or the truth of

470
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: her name. She is not Tula Veil, she is Tula

471
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: Harkenin and to his credit. Or takes this really well.

472
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: He's quite compassionate, he's understanding.

473
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: He's like, I'm sick of this centuries old feud. Yeah,

474
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: we don't need that. I'm in love with you, and

475
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 4: this has been a great night.

476
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: Nothing could go wrong. Like from here we can maybe

477
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: bring our families together. This is gonna be great.

478
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's really I mean, this was one of

479
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: my favorite moments in the episode because it is like

480
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: quite poignant stuff about like how feuds and especially like

481
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: old feuds that are just like they feed on myth

482
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: at some point, like you don't even remember what the

483
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: fuck we're fighting about anymore. We just know we're supposed

484
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: to fight each other.

485
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: And especially for the younger generations, it's essentially irrelevant.

486
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: You're so distant from that exactly. Yeah, it doesn't affect

487
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: you at all. So Or has this space to be like,

488
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 1: who cares about this feud? Yeah, it shouldn't define our future.

489
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: Here's the healthy way we should move forward from this.

490
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: But obviously Tula, for her, the feud is like more present,

491
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: like she just lost her brother, I don't know, six months,

492
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: a year ago, whatever the timeline is. So for her,

493
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: the feud is happening right now. It's not a thing

494
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: that happened one hundred years ago. And we see that

495
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: she has actually it's actually too late. She has taken

496
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: the step of poisoning all of the trades outside with

497
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: the soup.

498
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: And I like this. She was like, look at me, poison.

499
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 4: You a hole?

500
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: Suspicious at all?

501
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 3: Where did I come from?

502
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: Who am I? You know?

503
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: How did I stow up here?

504
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: Questions?

505
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 4: Also, can I just say, if we're talking about Game

506
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: of Thrones, this is very red wedding.

507
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yes, I mean red Betting, red betting.

508
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, poor Or also gets a gomjabar to the neck,

509
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 1: essentially tula, which I do think she is genuinely heartbroken

510
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: I don't think those tears are fake in any way.

511
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: She's genuinely heartbroken by this. But she is trapped in

512
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: her trauma and in this feud and in her grief

513
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: over her brother, I think. And so she kills Or.

514
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: But she does let that young boy from earlier get away,

515
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,719
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling he might come back. We

516
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: really lingered on him along.

517
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: I feel like that was a bad choice.

518
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, on like a you know, a strategic level, Like

519
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 4: I understand the moral choice, but I feel like that

520
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 4: boy is gonna come back and that's gonna bite you

521
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 4: in the gomjaba.

522
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't let Grover Tully escape play exactly exactly.

523
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: We then returned to Wallach nine. We see that Valia

524
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 1: has now begun to thrive under Raquella's wing. She's been

525
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: taken into Raquella's confidence and is in fact, at this

526
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: point boasting to her friends that she's too much.

527
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: She's next to line baby bas too motel anybody, but

528
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: it's me, Mabe, I got it.

529
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: Well, I'm like I understand that they're setting it out

530
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 4: pare of as well of Fahya and Tula and the

531
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: two different sides, but also like I feel like Tula's

532
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 4: she's like a real one. Oh yeah, it comes to

533
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: what she has to get done, We'll go out and

534
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 4: get it done.

535
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: Valia is all voice, all tall.

536
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like she's out here and she's just like,

537
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be in line to be mother superior.

538
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: Like, don't tell anyone. I'm like, babe, slap ha, this

539
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: is a bad boy.

540
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: I know she's it's too much. She's got she does

541
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: lean on the voice Regina.

542
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be fair. Her friends take it quite well.

543
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if one of you compelled me to

544
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: slap someone.

545
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 4: They're like, they seem started like you'd be like, guys,

546
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 4: that's fucked.

547
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: Up, Like that fucked up? What did you just do?

548
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, stop, please show us.

549
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: I want to know how to slap someone with my mind.

550
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: Show me the voice, please.

551
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I can't wait to compel people against

552
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: their will to do stuff. Show me how to do that.

553
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: But her girlfriends at school are very excited to learn

554
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: the voice, and Raquella is riding a high. She's gonna

555
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: she's definitely in the inner inner circle with Mother Kella.

556
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: At this point, we then cut to the agony chamber

557
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: that we saw from the last episode Fine. Mother Rackuella

558
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: is preparing to perform another agony, this time with dorote

559
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: on one side and Valia on the other. Clearly the

560
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: two potential successors, right, it's we're setting the stage. These

561
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: are the two that will potentially be Mother superior after me.

562
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: At the last second, though Volia chickens out, she backs out,

563
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do the agony, runs out of the room.

564
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: Dorotea does seemingly go through with it. After this, Riquella

565
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: has another one on one with Voalia and she's clearly pissed.

566
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: I think she clearly did want Valia to rise to

567
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: the occasion and be the next Mother Superior, but now

568
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: her star pupil has shown her true colors, and Rickuella

569
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: gives her an ultimatum. I'm going to give you a

570
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: pass a weekend past to go back to Lankaville, figure

571
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: your family shit out, get rid of this baggage that's

572
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: holding you back from rising to the occasion, and come

573
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: back a reverend mother or not at all. Here's the point,

574
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: and that.

575
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: Could kill you, by the way, hey guy.

576
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: So with that ultimatum in minds, Folia goes back to Lakeville.

577
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: She talks to her sister Tula informs her that the

578
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: job is done. Both of them are clearly emotional about it.

579
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: And Tula, I think, is she's clearly like the good

580
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: cop you know from the sisters, We're getting like a

581
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: very good cop, bad cop energy and Tula even.

582
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: Though she just committed like a mathmader, totally.

583
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: A complete mass murder based on well, I mean, they

584
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: do say that the Treades killed one of their family

585
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: members first, and also there's the issue of the bad

586
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 3: PR related to the Butleria Geehi that continues to hang

587
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: over the family that said killing like a mass murder.

588
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: I feel like it is also bad PR. But let's

589
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: neither hear nor there.

590
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: Like the Hockins do just.

591
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 4: Have bad vibes as well, Like I feel like the

592
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: show is not dispelling the Hawk but.

593
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: Is not at all dispelling the notion that the Hearkens

594
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: are bad.

595
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: No, not at all, I will say, though. Her family

596
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: quite upset. They're like, no, love, did you commit mass

597
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: murder because your sister told you to?

598
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: What? Yeah?

599
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: And they're annoyed. They're annoyed that Valia's back. A tense

600
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: confrontation takes place between Valia and her mother, and once

601
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: again to Jason's point, we're leaning on the voice quite

602
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: a bit. Valia she does the whole take out your

603
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: knife thing in a tense moment with her mother, wild

604
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: but is able to walk out of the room before

605
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: it gets to the stabbing stage.

606
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: Also, I do find this again very interesting setting up,

607
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: Like Tula is more willing to do dirty what needs

608
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 4: to be done, but Valia is she doesn't want to

609
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: do the dirty work. And also she is finding that

610
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: split from her family and more towards that sisterhood, whereas

611
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: Tula like, she won't do it, yeah if you tell

612
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 4: us she needs to do it, yeah, yeah.

613
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: Which we to be fair, I think we saw in

614
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: the last episode she can convinced a child to do

615
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: a thing that was clearly going to lead to her death,

616
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: and so Tula did make that tough choice there mm hm.

617
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: After this confrontation with the mother, this pushes value over

618
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: the edge. She's ready to break ties with her family

619
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: and she goes out to the point I believe where

620
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: she was talking to Griffin earlier and takes the Russick poison,

621
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: undergoes the agony solo dola, which, to be fair, law wise,

622
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: that is tough. That is difficult. Nobody does that on

623
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: their own. To do it in a controlled environment with

624
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: your sisters around you to support you, that in and

625
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: of itself is nearly impossible. So to do it alone

626
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: out in the wild, it's pretty bold. She does survive

627
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: the agony thanks to Tula arriving and and what I

628
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: thought was actually quite a beautiful moment, she follows her

629
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: sister's voice like out of the agony and is able

630
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: to awaken.

631
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: I thought that was very cool, and I also felt

632
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 4: like that gave us some insight into how people survive

633
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: the agony at all.

634
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: It is to do it that sisterhood.

635
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 4: And that knowing that you're not alone in it, kind

636
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 4: of like what you said about the Rossac poison, like

637
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 4: doing it by yourself.

638
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: A good moment between the two of them.

639
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: I agree, and the sisters both decide that they're ready

640
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: for a new life. They're going to return to Wallach

641
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: nine together. I guess Tula just gets admission because her

642
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: sister's already at the school.

643
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 3: The legacy is the legacy. A lot of elite universities

644
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: do the exact same.

645
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: Thing, colleges, a lot of the great colleges.

646
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 1: And they make the promise to each other that this

647
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: will be a fresh start for them. We're leaving this

648
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: family baggage behind and with our new family now, the sisterhood.

649
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: We then cut back to the present day to wrap

650
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: up this episode. The accolytes gather to say goodbye to Lilah.

651
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: In a ceremony that gets quite tense. Sister Jen calls

652
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: out Tula basically for being complicit in Lila's death. Here,

653
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: she questions what the purpose of any of this was

654
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: wasn't even helpful at all? What was this sacrifice for?

655
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: Sister reveal it to be fair, jumps in to support Tula.

656
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: I did like seeing the elder sisters support each other

657
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: in this way. H After the sisters say they're goodbyes,

658
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: Tula takes those things off of Lila's temples, seemingly ending

659
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: her life, which we'll find out very shortly it is untrue.

660
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: But real quick, we cut back to Selucia Secundus, and

661
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Volia does what every millennial had to do when they

662
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: lost their job in the pandemic. We turn home and

663
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: ask for help from mom and dad.

664
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Speaker 2: Who knew this would be so relatable.

665
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: By the way, will whale planet looking good.

666
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: Looks like things that crab? Well, then I'm like, maybe.

667
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: Things have gotten better on whale work.

668
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys made the wrong choice because it's looking

669
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: kind of nice.

670
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: It's not a cushy job, but it's a lucrative one.

671
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Perhaps.

672
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: We cut back to wallach Nin and Tula for our

673
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: final scene of the episode. A big reveal here. We

674
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: learned that Tula has secretly put Lila in a spice

675
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: bocta tank, basically and they're in this genetic archive room,

676
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: which we've been hinting at this whole show. We finally

677
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: see it from the inside. Final she speaks to an

678
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: AI which the subtitles told us is named Annul, and

679
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: the camera pants out and we see all of this

680
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: forbidden technology and AI stuff in this room here, and

681
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: then we cut to credits.

682
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: Okay, I have another question for you before we cut

683
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 4: to ask nice, is that canon to the Sisterhood of

684
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 4: June book?

685
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: Do this?

686
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: Have the sisters always been using Butlerrian technology.

687
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: PlayStations and xboxes?

688
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: Exactly have they been playing Animal Crossing on the switch?

689
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: You can tell us the answer after a message from

690
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: our sponsors.

691
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're back aboo reveal the truth about Yeah,

692
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: the Benny Jesuit.

693
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the truth is that Riquella's Animal Crossing

694
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: Island was fire, the decorations were amazing.

695
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: She was hosting meet ups for the other sisters.

696
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, Tom owed her money. That's how good she

697
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: was at Animal Crossing. Yes, they've been using technology like

698
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: this secretly since their conception. Basically, they've been breaking the

699
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: restrictions of the Butler range had since day one. Oh wow,

700
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: So this is Gannon. Yes, this is in the books.

701
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: It's in the prequel books. It's actually in Frank Kerbert's

702
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: books as well. We learn it all the way in

703
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: book five again Heretics of Doune, we learned that the

704
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: sisters have for their breeding program have been using computers.

705
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: Do you calculate all of that and do all their scheming?

706
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it? Okay, what do we think of

707
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: this show?

708
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: Yes?

709
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: Three episodes in let us discuss now a Boot as

710
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: the law master. Yeah, where are we with this?

711
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: Man? I am mixed? Yeah, we are three episodes into

712
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: a six episode season, which is scary because I feel

713
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: like we have still not found our footing. When we

714
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: are halfway through a first season, I think I will

715
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: say to maybe start with things I liked. I thought

716
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: the writing of this episode better than the first two.

717
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: Less like exposition, heavy, less relying on just like plot

718
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: Domino's falling, so the next plot Domino can fall. I

719
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: think we got some good emotional stakes and a nice

720
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: emotional journey for our sisters. We finally have an answer

721
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: to who our main characters are Tula Vallia. We get

722
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sense of like these are

723
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: maybe the people we can cheer for or against and

724
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: be emotionally invested in.

725
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just gonna say, does anyone feel I

726
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 4: feel like this could have been the first episode?

727
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like it. I feel like it would

728
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: have been cool. The show is called Sister of June.

729
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: I think it would have been interesting to get to

730
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 4: know these characters and their life and see that what

731
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: led them to the Banny Jesuit. I also did like

732
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 4: to see more Dorotea stuff. Yeah, I always like to

733
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: see U popop because I think that I didn't love

734
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: that opening kind of way we open and introduce Vallia.

735
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 2: And kill Dorotea.

736
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: But sorry, I boo go on because I do think

737
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: this is not a perfect episode, but I do feel

738
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 4: like it gave me so much more insights to who

739
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: these characters were before we start their journey.

740
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and in fact, I'm glad you brought that up, Rosi,

741
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: because honestly, my big takeaway walking away from this episode

742
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: was I like this one a lot, and I would

743
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: have preferred it earlier, Like I almost would have shuffled

744
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: the episode orders around a little bit with it, And

745
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: obviously that requires some like resequencing of scenes to make

746
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: things make sense whatever, But this emotional core of Volia Tula,

747
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I need it earlier. So the rest of what's happening

748
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: in the Palace with Carino and Kira, Natred's and whatever,

749
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: all of that has much more weight to it once

750
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: I understand, yeah, what it means to Tula and Valia.

751
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: So I'm mixed on the show. I'm obviously as a

752
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: Dune fan, I'm going to see it through to the end.

753
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to let the show tell me its story.

754
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some incredible stuff to come in four five

755
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: and six. I like things in isolation. I like certain scenes,

756
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: I like certain lore things they're dipping into. But it's

757
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: still the larger picture is still a bit rough around

758
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: the edges from me. What about you too?

759
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason, you had some good notes. How about you?

760
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: How are you feeling halfway through the season.

761
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm basically the same as a boot I think that

762
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: there is a good show here, and I think that

763
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: I am actually quite hopeful that it will emerge as

764
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: the momentum of the story takes hold and we have

765
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: to commit to a timeline. Yes, I think that for me,

766
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: it's two flashback laden and I feel like we'll move

767
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: past that, you know. I think that the stuff that's happening,

768
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: for instance, in the present timeline with the Riches's and

769
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: the wedding Chesy is the wedding that's fallen apart this

770
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: mysterious visitor from Iracus. That to me is like really

771
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: meaty stuff. And I think, like, all of the here's

772
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 3: how the sisterhood happened, here's how value Atulia got there.

773
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 3: Despite the fact that I think the emotional stuff from

774
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 3: this episode, which was a lot of the flashback material,

775
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 3: was really median good, I'm less interested in this stuff

776
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 3: that happened in the past and more interested in this

777
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: current timeline, which I thought is really interesting. And I

778
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: feel and I'm missing the momentum of that now that

779
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: we've spent so much time away from it. Like we

780
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: got some of this like crazy stuff happening and the

781
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: death of the Duke of Chesy Sun and the mystery

782
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: of the mirroring deaths by fire that is seemingly Desmond

783
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: Hart has managed to and gender and so like what

784
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: does that mean? And it feels strange to me to

785
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: like step backwards and do that stuff.

786
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I think about, hypothetically, reordering the episodes. Yeah,

787
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 4: because I feel like there's a version where this doesn't

788
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 4: feel like a flashback. It feels like an introduction and

789
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 4: then your on Wallock nine, Boom, here's where we are now.

790
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: Because you're right, when you do think about that first episode.

791
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: Now, all the wild stuff that they set in place,

792
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: it does seem.

793
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: Mad to move away from that momentum. Yeah, I don't know.

794
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: I like any show that's about wheeling and dealing.

795
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 4: And yeah, prophecies and all that, so it's enjoyable. But

796
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 4: I do think the funny thing is about the show.

797
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 4: I think if we were still living in the era

798
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,959
Speaker 4: of like a Riverdale, right, which obviously this show would

799
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 4: not have such fantastic production value. But if this show

800
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: is gonna have twenty four episodes, I'd be like, hey,

801
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: we're off the kind of a good start, enough dig

802
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: into that. If it was old school, I would be like,

803
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: I think that by the end we could be coming

804
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 4: out with one of the best finales of the year.

805
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 3: But six episodes exactly, even if the six episodes is

806
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: like the Gombar hanging over the next.

807
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 4: Exactly, even if there's three fantastic episodes, I don't know

808
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: if they're going to be able to tie it up

809
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: in a bow or leave us in a place where

810
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: we feel like the things we need to be answered

811
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: have been answered. And also, I guess in a show

812
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: that is a prequel but is also jumping around timelines,

813
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 4: but is also connected to two movies, I also think

814
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: a show that this has to almost prove it existence.

815
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, why does it exist?

816
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what I was going to say. Like, I'm

817
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: no TV producer, so maybe I'm talking out of my

818
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: ass here, But like, as someone who covers the industry

819
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: a lot, I understand that there's maybe a multi season plan.

820
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: But to get to the second and third season and

821
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: get the checks to make the rest of your show,

822
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: you do have to really prove yourself in the first season.

823
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: We live in a media landscape where it just has

824
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: to be banger after banger after banker. You know, you

825
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: cannot wait, yees.

826
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: Streaming does not allow. But the first season that doesn't

827
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: deliver anymore.

828
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't allow for that. You know, we don't live

829
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: in a world where like Parks and Rext, season one

830
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: can be like trash. But it's okay.

831
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: Because season four is iconic.

832
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: Right, You'll get the runway to be iconic eventually, you

833
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: have to be iconic now. And I'm worried this show

834
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: is improving itself in that way.

835
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: To that end.

836
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 3: And I know I mentioned this before, but I feel

837
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: like the missed opportunity to this point, and it may emerge.

838
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 3: I think it could emerge, the missed opportunity to meet

839
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: at this point in terms of bringing out like the

840
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: central character of the Dune universe as it exists in

841
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 3: the films and in the books is that we've got

842
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: the machinations and the kind of chess moves, but there's

843
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: like a deeper level of paranoia that to me is done.

844
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: That's done to me is there's pieces moving, but I

845
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: don't know why, and I don't know why these people

846
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: are doing this, and I'm not sure that they know

847
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: why they are carrying out the conspiracy also, And I

848
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: know it sounds like a small thing when I'm like,

849
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: too many sisters know what's going on, but I really

850
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: feel like that's I wish the information was more tightly

851
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 3: held in this show, and that even Volia would not

852
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 3: be sure like I don't know why, I'm I don't

853
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: quite know why we're doing it this way, but I

854
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: feel like we have to, and I feel like if

855
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: they could drill down into that paranoia more, then you

856
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: have a I think, a really interesting show, because what

857
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 3: you have is the sisterhood that is somehow managed despite

858
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 3: the fact that the people involved in the sisterhood are

859
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: from famous families that are competing, and yet you have

860
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: a Harconen next to the emperor. You have like all

861
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: of these figures from other families getting to advise other families,

862
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: and yet the intersecting lines of why that might not

863
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: be a good idea or somehow like papered over. I

864
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: wish that stuff would come more to the surface and

865
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: the questions about can we trust this group? Yes, you

866
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: can trust them because they have given us these assurances

867
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: and they but what do we think of these assurances?

868
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: And I wish those kind of conversations were more at

869
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,959
Speaker 3: the forefront. And I think if you had those things

870
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: at the forefront, we wouldn't have to like spend time

871
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: flashing back to why did Voluntelia come here and what

872
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Speaker 3: are the things that happened? Like, I think you could

873
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 3: get lost in this paranoia. That, to me, again is

874
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Speaker 3: what Doune is about. Dune is about political machinations and

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Speaker 3: not knowing what people's intentions are and to end this

876
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: story as it exists. Too many people know what the

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00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 3: story is. Yeah, is just too much that is known

878
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Speaker 3: throughout the story.

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about how cool it would be if

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Speaker 4: this had been like edited or told like a conspiracy thriller,

881
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: because I feel like, when you watch this show, it

882
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: has that stoic, slow moving Game of Thrones vibe, but one,

883
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: we only have six episodes, and also it's not Game

884
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Speaker 4: of Thrones. Having that paranoia, that conspiracy element would have

885
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Speaker 4: brought a tone to it that would have maybe been

886
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: a little bit more gripping or a little bit more

887
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: of a given you more of a feeling when you

888
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Speaker 4: watch it, other than being like, oh, this obviously costs

889
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Speaker 4: a lot of money. It looks good, but I don't

890
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Speaker 4: feel like it necessarily gives you that. Think about the

891
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: Red Wedding, like the dread in the lead up to

892
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Speaker 4: the reveal is so huge in yourself and do those movies.

893
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Speaker 4: There are multiple times in those films where I feel

894
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Speaker 4: like deeply unsettled, and it is rare for me to

895
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Speaker 4: be enraptured in like an emotion like that. While I

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Speaker 4: watched this show, and it would have been really cool

897
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Speaker 4: if the emotion had been paranoia or fear or yeah,

898
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Speaker 4: some kind of insight into what the women involved in

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Speaker 4: this field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to quickly talk about your observation, Rosie,

901
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: like of the six episodes versus twenty four Old School

902
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Speaker 3: twenty four, I think one of the ways this pops

903
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Speaker 3: up is that, I mean, as a Boo noted and

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Speaker 3: as you noted in wanting this episode to be the

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Speaker 3: first episode, it's because it sets the emotional stakes for

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Speaker 3: our characters. Is that too many times thus far in

907
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Speaker 3: these three episodes, it's been character doing something and then

908
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: the reveal of why, what the emotional motivation for that

909
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: happens much later, way too later, And I think we

910
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: need to just I think those things need to be flipped.

911
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: I need to understand what the character wants, what is

912
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: the want, what is the why are you doing this stuff?

913
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Speaker 3: And then let the pieces fall into place and you understand,

914
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Speaker 3: you know, you could set up the actions later. And

915
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Speaker 3: so that to me is just like a weird that

916
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: feels like something you do if you add twenty four

917
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: episodes instead of six. But I do feel like I

918
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 3: feel like there's a good show here still if it

919
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Speaker 3: has not yet emerged.

920
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's got the pieces for a good show.

921
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Speaker 4: I would just like to see them yet. Yeah, a

922
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: little bit shaken around before they're put back on the

923
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Speaker 4: chest board.

924
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Speaker 2: And we do know this show had a.

925
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Speaker 4: Lot of production issues as well, which I also think

926
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Speaker 4: is often why maybe it feels a little bit chopped up.

927
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Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm interested to see where it goes. We're

928
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Speaker 2: halfway in.

929
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Speaker 4: Who knows, maybe the second half of that season is

930
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Speaker 4: NonStop bangers. Maybe it's the non stop bangers we need,

931
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Speaker 4: I hope.

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Speaker 1: So Okay, to round out today's episode, I'm just going

933
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Speaker 1: to very quickly run through some lower Easter eggs from

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Speaker 1: this episode. This is not a comprehensive list, but just

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Speaker 1: some of the ones that stood out to me. Starting

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Speaker 1: with fur whales. Let's talk about our furry friends here

937
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: for a second. These are canonical. They exist in the book.

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Speaker 1: They're sometimes referred to as John Dax, but more commonly

939
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Speaker 1: they're just referred to as for we just literally fur whales,

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Speaker 1: thank you. We're told from the books that the fur

941
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Speaker 1: whales are quite dangerous, especially when they're being hunted. They

942
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Speaker 1: are majestic creatures and quote dive deep into cold waters

943
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Speaker 1: and escape, or they could turn on a pursuing boat

944
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Speaker 1: an inflict serious damage end quote. So will hunting a

945
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Speaker 1: pretty tough gig. I think we also see whale fers

946
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Speaker 1: mentioned in the original Dune as well, not just the

947
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Speaker 1: Brian Herbert prequel novels. Duke Lato in the very first

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Speaker 1: book actually, when he's explaining to Paul what chom is

949
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Speaker 1: and how the economy of the Imperium works, mentions that

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Speaker 1: whalefer is one of the more sought after commodities that

951
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Speaker 1: is bought and sold. And in the appendices actually we

952
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Speaker 1: get this quote that explains the canonical hearken in Whalefer connection. Quote.

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Speaker 1: The return of house hearken In to power generally is

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Speaker 1: ascribed to adroit manipulation of the whale fer market and

955
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Speaker 1: later a consolidation with Milange whale from Aracus end quote.

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Speaker 1: As we saw in the vill Nuff films, they have

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Speaker 1: a Racus.

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Speaker 2: By that way, whale canning, whale world.

959
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Speaker 1: It's all cannon and that's where the money's at. Move

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Speaker 1: your money from crypto into whalefer. Okay, next up, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to say too much about this because I

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Speaker 1: want to not get into potential spoiler territory that might

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Speaker 1: come up in the show itself. But we've heard Vori

964
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Speaker 1: to trades a number of times now, and we learned

965
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Speaker 1: today that he allegedly killed Griffin Harkinen and we get

966
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Speaker 1: throwaway lines about this guy. He's still very elusive. People

967
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: are just mentioning him. He has apparently showed up after

968
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Speaker 1: disappearing for a while. We learn I think actually Bobby

969
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: b tells us that a little bit of information, and

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Speaker 1: this is true. In the book, there's a lot of

971
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Speaker 1: chapters from Vorian's perspective. He's like exiled himself after the

972
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: war basically to go live a life of peace, and

973
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Speaker 1: then is pulled back in for one more gig or whatever.

974
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much because we might

975
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Speaker 1: see some of that in the show, but super long

976
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Speaker 1: Vorian story short. Basically, in the book, Griffin is not

977
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Speaker 1: killed by Vorian and is killed through a series of

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Speaker 1: other random events. And so that's why I keep saying

979
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Speaker 1: allegedly killed by Vorian on today's episode, because if we

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Speaker 1: are sticking to book, there may be a reveal to

981
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Speaker 1: come that something else actually happened, and it wasn't at

982
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Speaker 1: the hands of Orian Atradees that was.

983
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Speaker 4: My guy anyway, especially with what to how hard Tula

984
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Speaker 4: went afterwards, I felt, yes, that would end up being

985
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Speaker 4: yes regreted.

986
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Speaker 1: So canonically in the book, something different does happen, and

987
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what. Maybe the show will get

988
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Speaker 1: there on its own in the next few episodes. The

989
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Speaker 1: last quick little bit of lare I wanted to call

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Speaker 1: out is for folks who have seen the Villa films,

991
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Speaker 1: we know that iconic knife salute that Duncan Idaho and

992
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: paul A trades due to each other, and it was cool.

993
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 1: It's like a blink blink and you'll miss it moment,

994
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Speaker 1: But when the Atrades are around the fire and doing

995
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Speaker 1: the body paint, they are also doing that forehead salute

996
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Speaker 1: to each other. So I thought that was a nice

997
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Speaker 1: little touch and another connection to vill Love's films, connecting

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Speaker 1: the treats. So there's a little bit of lor today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks the br Thank you, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Not a problem. On tomorrow's episode of X Ray Vision,

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Speaker 1: you two are going to be going through your twenty

1002
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Speaker 1: twenty four books and comics round up the best of

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Speaker 1: the year. Best year, I am very much looking forward

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Speaker 1: to that, but that's it for today's episode. Jason, Rosie,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Always a blast, Thanks for having us, Bye bye bye.

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Speaker 3: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion and Rosie

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Speaker 3: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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Speaker 3: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 3: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and

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Speaker 3: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 4: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 4: and Heidi our discoord moderator.