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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? John Middlecoff a Little Go

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Speaker 1: Low podcast. We took a little hiatus host the Masters

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Speaker 1: I looked on DraftKings, our friends at DraftKings. Scottie Scheffler

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Speaker 1: And then just some overall thoughts on team Golf. Not

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Speaker 1: this thing over the line. He's buddies with Yaser. I

428
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't feel great these talks about

429
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: equity and payments. None of us care. None of it matters.

430
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: It just truly does not. It's like what contract, well,

431
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: Lebron James signs next, I don't care. He's already super rich,

432
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't care if it's one hundred and fifty million,

433
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty None of it matters. Where's he

434
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 1: gonna play? And that's the world of golf right now.

435
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: Where are they gonna play? And that's a problem for live.

436
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: They announced today that they theyre season ending tournament, the

437
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: equivalent of like the Tour Championship for the PGA Tour.

438
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: They played at east Lake, which some people have problems

439
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: with the course. I think it's fine. They're going to

440
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: a bowling brook, which I had never heard of in Chicago.

441
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: It is, of course a lot of people have been

442
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: posting it about on the internet that you can play

443
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: during the week for sixty dollars. On the weekend it's

444
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: eighty five dollars. Of course, me and you would have

445
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: no problem playing. Sounds like probably a fun little track.

446
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: And here's the problem. Chicago is home to some of

447
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: the best golf in America. Hell Live played last year

448
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: at rich Harvest Farms, which is one of the nicer

449
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: courses according to Golf Digest, in the state. But they

450
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: have all these other courses like Butler National, Medina, Olympia Fields.

451
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: These courses have hosted major championships, but Live has no

452
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: access to any of these courses none. Can you imagine

453
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: if I said that Greg Norman announced that Live's final

454
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: event will be at Pebble Beach, but damn might peak

455
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: at that. A huge part of golf is the course.

456
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 1: At the professional level. It draws us in last year,

457
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: I remember how excited I was to watch them play

458
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: at La Country Club. It's why Augusta is such a

459
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: big deal. It's why the Open Championship is so unique.

460
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 1: The links golf, they travel around all these different courses

461
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: in Scotland and Ireland. In the UK, it's cool. It

462
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: doesn't look like what we normally see. And then over

463
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: the course of the rotation, you kind of get familiar

464
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: with some of them, especially Saint Andrew's no different than

465
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: the US Open. You know they're gonna pla pebble every

466
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: once in a while. You know they're gonna play Olympic Club.

467
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: They played wing foot, I mean they played Oakmont like

468
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: they kind of getting this rotation. If you follow the

469
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: sport like I, Live has no because none of the

470
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: public courses that are any good. They're in business with

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, Tory Pines, TPC Scottsdale. None of these

472
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: people are gonna do Obviously TVC Scottsdale is owned by

473
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, but Tory Pine is a good example.

474
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: They're not gonna do business with Live. And then Live

475
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: has no access to any of the country clubs. Besides,

476
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: like if Trump wants to get involved, so the country

477
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: clubs that might draw, like damn, they're playing this weekend

478
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: at pick the course. I'll watch. It's just not gonna happen.

479
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: So I think Live has a course problem on top

480
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: of just we're not watching. But I do think that

481
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: would help domestically internationally I see what they're doing. They're

482
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: trying to spread out. It's cool. Australia is cool once

483
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: they go in some of these weird time zones, like

484
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the night. But I understand it.

485
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: The problem is they would love to have four or

486
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: five events here that are really big. They went to

487
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. No one paid attention. Partly it was during

488
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, But I don't know. I mean, you

489
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: can talk about equity, you can talk about all these

490
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: payments until everyone gets on the same page, it's not

491
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: gonna be worth it to anyone. When I first got

492
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Speaker 1: in the podcast business, I got involved with kind of

493
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: this startup and one thing I was like, Okay, I'm

494
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: gonna fight for some equity in the company, and I

495
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: got a little company went under. Now, the PGA Tour

496
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: is not gonna go under. Live Golf is not gonna

497
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: go under. But the only way for equity to matter

498
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: is for the company to succeed is for it to

499
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: keep going up, So your equity actually has value. And

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00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not very bullish on the situation.

501
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: Just like in theory Team Golf last week, the Zurich

502
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: it should be cool because you watch the Ryder Cup

503
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: or the President's Cup, and it's awesome. The difference is,

504
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: especially let's use the Ryder Cup. There is something special

505
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: when you put on your country's flag. Obviously, the international

506
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 1: team is dudes from all different countries. But you know

507
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: when we send a team either across the pond or domestically,

508
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: that our twelve guys are going to be representing America.

509
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, they play you know, four ball, they play

510
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: you know, alternate shot whatever, but it's still like US America.

511
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: It's why when the World Cup happens, everyone gets excited

512
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: for American soccer, even though we consistently never do shit rightfully.

513
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: So we're not as good. Like I know, the Lakers

514
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: played the Douggets close. They're not as good. There's a

515
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: reason they have lost twelve of thirteen games against those

516
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: guys in the playoffs. They're just not as good. So

517
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: it's understandable. But at least you're like, they got Lebron

518
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis and no different than us. Even if

519
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: we go across the pond and lose, at least we're

520
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: rolling out some heavy hitters Koepka, Scheffler, JT Spieth, whoever,

521
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: even though those guys are shitty, but you know what

522
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean. I think whearing your country flag is a

523
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: big deal. When you just watch team golf in a

524
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: random event, I don't really feel it, especially in the

525
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: problem for the Zurich is beside Rory and Shane Lowry,

526
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: which Rory had never played the event, and they told

527
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: a story on the broadcast. I just watched a little

528
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: on Sunday that it all kind of started when they

529
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: had lunch or something during the holidays, during that Christmas

530
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: time they both live I think in Jupiter, Florida. They're

531
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: obviously boys from the Ryder Cup and maybe Shane maybe

532
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: Rory's like, I want to do it. I don't know

533
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: exactly how it happened, but that's it's not typically the

534
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: tandem you see most of the groups. When I look

535
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: at the leaderboard, I'm like, I've never heard of these people.

536
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: I have never heard of these players, or they're like

537
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: random fringe PGA tour players. That's a problem. But I

538
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: think one thing with pro golf, and maybe you can

539
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: get a little redundant, I don't think it necessarily will

540
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: if you shorten up the season a little bit. Once

541
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: they get back together is watching three or four guys

542
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: coming down the stress trying to beat each other. I

543
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: think team golf kind of works when you're just playing

544
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: at your local club with three or your boys and

545
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm paired of the bill playing Jeff and

546
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: Tyler and we're playing five bucks a hole, and it's

547
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: you don't even play alternate shot. Maybe you play best

548
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: ball and you do some sort of whatever you do,

549
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: and it kind of works, but it's very loose when

550
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: you play a serious match that way. I don't know

551
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: if it works when you don't have the flag associated

552
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: with the person, because that's what draws us into the

553
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup, not necessarily the style they play. That just

554
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: be my take, because if you told me the Ryder

555
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: Cup they played individual matches, just match play every day

556
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: instead of the team events, I don't think it would

557
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: phase it at all. I'm glad they do it the

558
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: way they do it, But let's say they cut instead

559
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: of playing three or four team matches and the individual

560
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: at the end, they just had three of the five

561
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: were all individual match plays and you just rotated. I

562
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: think it would have the same vibe, I really do,

563
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: And I don't know, man, I know live has tried

564
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: to force the team element. And I understand because in

565
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: high school I played golf and football, and at the time,

566
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: in like two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

567
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: two thousand, golf was nowhere is cool and the amount

568
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: of people that play doesn't even come close to today.

569
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: So I remember feeling like kind of lonely, like I

570
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to just hit balls by myself. I didn't

571
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: like it that much because in football you're so used

572
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: to like, Okay, I gotta go run gassers. Well I'm

573
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: doing it with like all my buddies, or we gotta

574
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: practice double days. Today you're dealing with everybody. In golf,

575
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: it's like, well you better get ready for this tournament.

576
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: You gotta practice by yourself three of the seven days,

577
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: beside a couple days of practice where you practice with

578
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: other guys. It's a very very lonely sport. So I

579
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: don't think these guys are lying on live when they say,

580
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, I like the team element. But when you're

581
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: watching live or just paying attention to it, I never

582
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: check the teams where's everyone. I just look at the

583
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: individual leaderboard and I go whenever they're playing to live

584
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: dot Com and check the leaderboard individual leaderboard, like what's

585
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: dj doing today, Where's Bryson, How's Cam Smith doing in Australia.

586
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't care about the team because that's not the

587
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: way the sport is constructed. There's a reason doubles tennis.

588
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: While it's fun if you're just an amateur tennis player,

589
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: most of the popular matches in my lifetime are singles,

590
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: Pete Sampers against Agassy, Federer against Djokovic, Nadal against Federer.

591
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: That's what we enjoy watching. And I just I think

592
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: that's a problem for golf because I think to live

593
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: and the Saudis really want to force this team element,

594
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: and I just don't think we'll care. And it's one

595
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: of those things. Hey, John, don't pigeonhole the way you

596
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: think about something. Things change. Once upon a time, the

597
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: NFL played fourteen games. Now they're about to play eighteen

598
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: with multiple buys. Things change, but the setup of the

599
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: sport and the way you operate doesn't change. I think

600
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: whenever you try to do something drastic, fans aren't done.

601
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: The n season tournament, all the media told me was

602
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: how cool it was, meant nothing to the majority of people. Ratings,

603
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: people didn't even watch Lakers won cool even they'd be

604
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: the first to tell you we'd gladly trade the N

605
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: Season Tournament to win some games in fucking April against

606
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: the Nuggets, because that's what matters, Winning events as an

607
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: individual matter, winning majors as an individual matter, Winning the

608
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup matters, for sure. I kind of think that's

609
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: a one off. So I think Golf's gonna have to

610
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: figure that out, because I do think they're gonna try

611
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: to shoehorn some of this team stuff and I'm just

612
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: not sure any of us are gonna care. And I'm

613
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: a good example. I'm thirty nine years old. I've been

614
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: watching golf for thirty plus years. I love it. I

615
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna have a hard time getting behind it.

616
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: I really am. It's gonna have a hard time, Like, Okay,

617
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: I gotta sit down and watch this. My first question

618
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: would be why that's why I said during the N

619
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: Season tournament, Why no one cares? Well, it's some fun

620
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: for what? Like? What is it? The individual tournaments they

621
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: have in soccer have been well established for a long

622
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 1: time that that's not a comparable parallel to what we're

623
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: trying to do over here. And what we're used to

624
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: and what we like, all four making little changes you

625
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: have to, even if I don't agree with them. The

626
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: NFL does it all the time, hip drop tackle the

627
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: way you can tackle the quarterback, and we all bitch

628
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: and moan. Golf's gonna try to do some rollback stuff

629
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: in theory. I get it. Don't think it's needed, but

630
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: I understand it. Like that's you're not gonna change the sport.

631
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: The sport of professional golf is one hundred and fifty

632
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: people trying to finish in the top ten, and one

633
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: guy's gonna win, and the next guy's gonna try to

634
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: finish in the top five, and they're all battling over

635
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: a purse of money. That's the essence of it all,

636
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: not like teams and this guy. No, it's not the

637
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: way it works. And I hope we don't change it

638
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 1: because I paid attention because I thought it was cool.

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Speaker 1: Lowry and Rory. Of course those guys won. They're the

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Speaker 1: best two players there. Most of the guys you couldn't

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Speaker 1: point out of a lineup if I offered you a

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Speaker 1: million dollars. So it's gonna be very very interesting where

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Speaker 1: they go. And if that's a big sticking point with

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Speaker 1: the potential finality of this merger. I think that's a steak.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone listening. Like I said, get in the mailbag

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Speaker 1: at Golo Pod. At Golo Pod and I'll answer your questions.

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Speaker 1: The volume