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Speaker 2: companies of all sizes in a broad range of transactional

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Speaker 2: Hamilton is a partner at Parella, Braun and MARTL Martel, LLP,

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Speaker 2: a leading Northern California law firm representing corporate and private

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Speaker 2: criminal litigation. Jeff is also the founder of Canopy Rights,

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Speaker 2: a decentralized marketplace where cannabis breeders can register their unique

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Speaker 2: cultivars and transact business with growers effortlessly, securely, confidently, and paperlessly.

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Speaker 2: If you're looking for a business lawyer, make sure you

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Speaker 2: contact Jeff at FBM dot com. That's FBM dot com. Also,

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Speaker 2: if you're in the cannabis breeder area, you want to

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Speaker 2: visit their website at copyright dot com, assumeing canopy right

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Speaker 2: at Canopy Rights to tap in with Jeff and his

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Speaker 2: people over at Canopy Right for a better way to

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Speaker 2: do business without further ado. Jeff Hamilton, the lawyer, the madman.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you guys, what's dope about him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys know this Connor Daniel,

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Speaker 2: but Jeff right here, he's a smart lawyer. He comes

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Speaker 2: from peaky up Yale University, Peaky up Columbia Law School.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jeff, you have to let me right now, doc.

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Speaker 2: He just did it.

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Speaker 3: Jeff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when it comes to attorneys and schools and stuff,

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Speaker 2: like when you tell people, yeah, I mean I went

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why the guys like me can't have that.

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Speaker 2: Do you have you experienced that because you know, you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's family, it's community, it's sitting down. It's like

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Speaker 2: But I was just noticing a new intern coming in today.

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Speaker 2: What is your name? Nix Nix? What's good?

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Speaker 2: Longdach Nix? This is your first day here in the job? Huh? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: First five minutes, first five minutes. This is Jeff Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Come closer to me, Nick, plasure to meet. Jeff Hamilton

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you. Jennifer. Thank you for bringing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as you should. Brother, it's good to have you here.

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Speaker 5: you you write your emails to the DCC, you got

439
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Speaker 5: your pay per trail, and you really think through problems

440
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Speaker 5: in a way that's different and the stakes are higher

441
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Speaker 5: because if you screw up, your client's a drug dealer

442
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Speaker 5: and like that's a that can't happen.

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Speaker 2: That's going to make it scary for everybody. I mean

444
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Speaker 2: you as a lawyer, going yeah, A, and then B

445
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Speaker 2: I'm paying you to know this. And then they change

446
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Speaker 2: a law on you and you go like, hey, Joe,

447
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Speaker 2: what I just told you? I'm like, yeah, what I'm Jeff?

448
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Speaker 2: What I just told you yesterday? Changed? Now the laws

449
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Speaker 2: is different today?

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, and then and then you've got the more

451
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Speaker 5: existential questions, like you know, in six months, am I

452
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Speaker 5: gonna are you gonna only be able to buy cannabis

453
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Speaker 5: from pharmacies because it's on Schedule three?

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, where's my crystal ball? I can't tell you?

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Speaker 2: Is that what? Chris?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Level three drugs are pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's a longer I don't know if we have

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Speaker 5: a half hour to go it. No, I mean the

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Speaker 5: shorter answer is no, there's this the the Schedule three.

462
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Speaker 5: We we haven't seen the regulations yet, so who knows

463
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Speaker 5: what's gonna happen. It's going to be and then so

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Speaker 5: there's gonna be. So all we know is that the

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Speaker 5: Health and Human Services Department recommended that cannabis be placed

466
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Speaker 5: on Schedule three because it's not a Schedule one drug,

467
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Speaker 5: which has no medical I don't have the statue in

468
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Speaker 5: front of me, so I don't want to screw it up,

469
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Speaker 5: like no accepted medical use and a high probability of abuse.

470
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Speaker 5: I didn't say that, right, So like, don't quote me, right,

471
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Speaker 5: But then you have the DA, and the DA has

472
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Speaker 5: to decide, well, can we make this move even comply

473
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Speaker 5: with our treaty obligations like I don't know, And then

474
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Speaker 5: you have to have regulations and you have to have

475
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Speaker 5: notice and comment, and then you have to have the

476
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Speaker 5: final rules. Then you have an appeals and then like

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Speaker 5: so the two eighty e Mike not, it's probably gonna

478
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Speaker 5: get overturned, but like it could be a year from now,

479
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Speaker 5: it could be a year and a half, it could

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Speaker 5: be never, like we don't we just.

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Speaker 2: So you got into the cannabis game early, then.

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Speaker 4: Well depends now you answer that question well as.

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Speaker 2: A lawyer, Yeah, as a lawyer, watched that really grow

484
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Speaker 2: in California. You're born and raised in California.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I lived two miles from when I grew

486
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Speaker 5: up and open my parents from their apartment. They can

487
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Speaker 5: see my house, no way. Yeah, so you're born and

488
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Speaker 5: raised in Oakland. Rais did you usually listen to our

489
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Speaker 5: Doghouse show when I was out there?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I was actually just telling someone in the room that

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Speaker 5: I used to have it, like ninety.

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Speaker 4: Four nine was some of my alarm clock.

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Speaker 2: Shut up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually have this memory.

496
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Speaker 5: When I was like flying down, I had this memory

497
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Speaker 5: of like September eleventh, the morning of September eleventh, like

498
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Speaker 5: my alarm woke up, it was ninety four nine, because

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Speaker 5: that's just what was my alarm. And then it was

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Speaker 5: just like people were talking about like the Twin Towers following,

501
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Speaker 5: and like I was, I don't know if you were.

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Speaker 2: Doc, Yeah, that's so funny and random.

503
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Speaker 5: And like just me thinking like it was like a

504
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Speaker 5: practical joke, and then like talking to my parents.

505
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Speaker 4: Like you know, there's something going on, and then wait,

506
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Speaker 4: what this is like not this is for real.

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Speaker 2: I heard that from a lot of people, and I

508
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Speaker 2: remember watching it in the studios and being like and

509
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Speaker 2: people are like, oh my god, I find out nine

510
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Speaker 2: eleven through you, and blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was my alarm clock.

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Speaker 5: I used to have one of those like Sony sort

513
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Speaker 5: of like alarm clock radio.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: I remember that about you going That's why I knew

516
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Speaker 2: I liked you even more so I knew you're from

517
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Speaker 2: the Bay, Jeff, I knew it. I had a gut

518
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Speaker 2: feeling when I even walked in. I go, isn't that

519
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Speaker 2: guy from the Bay, Like, that's Jeff Hamilton from the Bay. Yes.

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Speaker 4: When it raised, I'm thrilled to be back on the show.

521
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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to you because to me, you're always

522
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 2: a solid good dude. You get great answers and great advice,

523
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: and you're an amazing attorney, and you're always around the industry.

524
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Speaker 2: So I see you at advance, at functions that you know,

525
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Speaker 2: expost seminars. You're about this life. I want to hear

526
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Speaker 2: a story that you could share with people of the

527
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Speaker 2: craziest cannabis lawyer story of and then this and then

528
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Speaker 2: we should do and then that happened, Like what is

529
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Speaker 2: one of those that.

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Speaker 5: You want to I don't want to give up confidential

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Speaker 5: client communications.

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Speaker 4: Oh I don't even know if I can.

533
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Speaker 2: Like see, but like something like as a lawyer going,

534
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Speaker 2: this is what just sucks about the cannabis space because

535
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: there's no regulations like the restaurants, like the wineries, Like

536
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to do this and the state doesn't know

537
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Speaker 2: that because the problems that I see the state doesn't

538
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Speaker 2: know shit. Then the city doesn't know shit, and the

539
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: city blames the state, the state blames the city, and

540
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Speaker 2: everyone's going wo ha ha hoo, yeah, and how do

541
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Speaker 2: we do this?

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Speaker 5: And then they get and on top of it, there's

543
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Speaker 5: a suitcase full of cash sitting in someone's garage and

544
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Speaker 5: they don't know.

545
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Speaker 2: And who's this going to? We got this suitcase full

546
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Speaker 2: of money that we want to pay to make this happen.

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Speaker 2: Is it legal? Is it not? How do you deal

548
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Speaker 2: with those situations?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's what I like about my job. It's

550
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Speaker 5: the it's everything that's like.

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Speaker 2: Let me figure out who gets that money and how

552
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Speaker 2: we can pay for this to get downe and do

553
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Speaker 2: how much do I get of it? And who gets

554
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Speaker 2: what else?

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Speaker 5: It's the best part of my job, I mean, outside

556
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Speaker 5: of my passion for the planned and just like the

557
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Speaker 5: ability of the plant improve people's lives. Like reason number

558
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Speaker 5: two for being in this industry is because you have

559
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Speaker 5: these novel problems with crazy fact patterns. And I mean

560
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Speaker 5: the craziest stories aren't the suitcase full of money stories,

561
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Speaker 5: it's the we need to do a complete corporate restructuring

562
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Speaker 5: over Thanksgiving because otherwise the company is not going.

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Speaker 4: To make payroll all night work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that those are like the

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Speaker 5: like in terms of like lawyers, like what's complicated, Like

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Speaker 5: that's the that's the complicated part.

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Speaker 4: But I just love the human aspects of it.

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Speaker 5: Really, that's the you know, people making medicine improve lives,

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Speaker 5: that's the I mean there is.

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Speaker 2: And you're a cannabis breeder with your website, can it

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Speaker 2: be right dot com?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so let me tell you about that.

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Speaker 2: Right when we come back, it's Cannabis Talk one on one.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank everybody around here that makes the

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Speaker 2: show happen, from Adrian to Amy to Autumn, Audrey, Emir,

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Speaker 2: Mary Magazine, Mondo, miche La Nicks. Of course, look at

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Speaker 2: that Elizabeth Teddy, the show Dog, Ice Dog, Zeus, Daniel Diego, Lupita,

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Speaker 2: Let's see Logan Lorenzo, Gary Francisco, and of course Carly

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Speaker 2: I love it. Jeff Hamilton, founder and CEO of Canopy

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Speaker 2: Rights As he's also a lawyer. You can find him

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Speaker 2: and go check them out at FBM dot com. But

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Speaker 2: Canopy Right cannabis breeder, tell me more about this, Jeff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, first, I just want to say I love

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Speaker 5: that you give a shout out to your whole staff,

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Speaker 5: like and just the you've got like a good boss vibe,

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Speaker 5: Like I've had bad bosses.

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Speaker 4: In my life.

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Speaker 5: I don't have any right now, but like I've had

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Speaker 5: bad bosses in my life, and you give off good

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Speaker 5: boss vibes.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's see Connor, Daniel, you get the mic on

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Speaker 2: you house House the boss vibes were talking. Oh, that's

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Speaker 2: Diego over there, Diego. You could answer, Diego's one of

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Speaker 2: the new entered, you know. Turn your mic on Diego.

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Speaker 2: Let's see if Diego does. Let's see it, and then

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Speaker 2: put the camera on you too. We have an in

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Speaker 2: turn working the board right now. I don't even know

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Speaker 2: where Connor and Daniel are. Probably in the corner smoking

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Speaker 2: a bowl, no more than likely. But put the switcher

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Speaker 2: on number four, turn your mic up which is number

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Speaker 2: six or seven, and then answer the question of Diego.

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Speaker 2: How am I as the boss over here talking to everybody? Y? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't know how to work the board. Yeah, way

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Speaker 2: to go, Connor, Way to leave Diego running the board,

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Speaker 2: good job. Hit the mute button, maybe the select right

627
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Speaker 2: above it.

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Speaker 4: While we're troubleshooting, I can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't worry about it now, Connor will just get

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Speaker 2: yelled at later, So that's what's better. I was waiting

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Speaker 2: for him to maybe, Connor, you should leave when somebody

632
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Speaker 2: doesn't know what they're doing and just leave it, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's better off. Just go no, go ahead,

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Speaker 2: go do what you're doing somewhere else. I'm sure that's

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Speaker 2: important rather than the show go ahead, diego.

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Speaker 6: Uh yeah, Other than that's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming back, Shaggy Junior and Diego as he says,

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Speaker 2: cool boss, would you agree with that, Diego or not?

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Speaker 6: You bust our chops sometimes, but yeah, you're a good buss.

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Speaker 2: Is it busted chops deservingly or not deservingly?

641
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 6: Like when you do it like we learn, like you know,

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Speaker 6: there's a reason for it, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: So as nice as you see me here, Jeff, you'll

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Speaker 2: see me yelling at these fucking guys.

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Speaker 4: Like in a way that's like.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it. In other ways,

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Speaker 2: I mean I feel like when I go no, you

649
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Speaker 2: need to wrap it like this, then there's nothing taught there.

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Speaker 2: So I like to grab whatever they did and throw

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Speaker 2: it on the floor and said, who wrapped this? Who

652
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Speaker 2: would do something like this, do you need a helmet on?

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Speaker 2: That's something like I would do ifunds like you've got

654
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Speaker 2: kids exactly. The funny import is when I do that, though,

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Speaker 2: Connor did, they all like you're right, You're I'm like okay,

656
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Speaker 2: then you know, like.

657
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's like it's like a locker room and

658
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 5: that's how I grew up with sports and everything, so

659
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 5: I love it personally.

660
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 6: He just like actual, it's actually like very reminiscent of

661
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 6: my dad.

662
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: Well that's a good thing.

663
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 6: It's like the same thing, but just in English is

664
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 6: just translated.

665
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: So that's a fun thing. So as you say, nice guy,

666
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: just wanted to get their opinions about it. I knew,

667
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: I like, because you don't hear me busting with good balls.

668
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: All right, I'm just tell me about this.

669
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 4: All right.

670
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 5: So Canopy right is it's my little passion project. Like

671
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 5: I hired a software developer in March twenty twenty. It

672
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 5: was like, all right, all my this like business concept

673
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: that I had when I was stoned one day, just

674
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: like lived on my phone for a year and then

675
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: it was go time March twenty twenty.

676
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 4: It's nothing else to do.

677
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 5: But the essential premise is that cannabis strains, cannabis cultivars

678
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 5: should be licensed the same way that music should is licensed.

679
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 5: So when you think about how music licensing works, you

680
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 5: can like pull out your phone, you play Renaissance. You

681
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 5: know that Beyonce is going to get you know, twenty

682
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 5: five cent. You don't know how it works, but you know,

683
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 5: the more often that you listen to a track, the

684
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: more money the artist makes. When you switch over to cannabis,

685
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 5: you when you think about how it grows work. You

686
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: have to put a metric tag on every single plant

687
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: in the state of California, and when you enter that

688
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 5: tag into the track and trace system, you create a

689
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 5: little piece of data that tracks the plant. So if

690
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: you think about an artist like a breeder, a strain

691
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 5: like a song, and each flowering cannabis plant with a

692
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 5: tag to be the equivalent of the play of a song,

693
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: we can invoice for cannabis transactions the same way that

694
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,959
Speaker 5: Spotify works, using data that already exists. You're already tracking it,

695
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 5: you already have to put it's a pain in the ass.

696
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 5: But like you have to put a tag on every

697
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 5: single plant, So like, why don't we treat cannabis plants

698
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 5: like works of art. Why don't we compensate cannabis breeders

699
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 5: like musicians.

700
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: And that's what you're doing here with showing these trusted

701
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: leading cultivars exactly.

702
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: So that's that's that's the genesis behind this project. Well,

703
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: you've got these everyone whenever you talk to a cannabis breeder,

704
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 5: everyone has a story of when they got ripped off,

705
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 5: and you know, everyone says like do you have the

706
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 5: X cut? And then there's all this disputes and then

707
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 5: you've got these lawsuits and like.

708
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: I created that, I created right, And you.

709
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 5: Have seed junkie suing cookies. I don't know example, but

710
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 5: there's many examples, and it's all sort of like preventable.

711
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 5: But also you could have a better system that treats

712
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 5: cannabis breeders more fairly. So you've got this breeder who

713
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 5: spent you know, five years, ten years creating this perfect cultivar.

714
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 5: You sell one bag of seeds, it's lost and gun forever.

715
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 5: That's your intellectual property rights. The person that bought it.

716
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 5: They could grow one plant, they could grow a thousand plants,

717
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 5: that could grow a million plants. You got you got

718
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 5: paid for that first bag of seed. So you know,

719
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 5: you got paid a couple hundred bucks, you know, great

720
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 5: put in the bank, But does that really compensate you

721
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 5: for your hard work and or or the commercial production.

722
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 5: And then when you think about like how plants work,

723
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: like why don't we treat cannabis like luxury goods? Why

724
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 5: don't we treat a cannabis plant a cannabis strain that

725
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 5: somebody worked hard on to develop for years and years

726
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 5: and years to create something that's perfect, to create something

727
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 5: that really actually helps people with a specific purpose, specific SOPs.

728
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: Why don't we reward that work of art, that intellectual

729
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 5: property in a way that makes sense Because you're you're

730
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 5: tracking every single plant, so there's the ability to do

731
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 5: this is kind of low hanging fruit. So so that's

732
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 5: what we built, and we and we put a bunch

733
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 5: of like we built it on a blockchain skeleton, which

734
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: is like pretty cool, so you can keep your data confidential.

735
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 5: And we gave people a mechanism to define what their

736
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,719
Speaker 5: cannabis strain is by creating this workflow where you can

737
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 5: just use an evidence bag in a little QR code

738
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 5: to take a cut from your plant, stick it in

739
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 5: a tamper proof package with a little QR code, close

740
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 5: the bag, and all of a sudden you've got a

741
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 5: piece of evidence. It's not a patent, but it's a

742
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 5: piece of It's a piece of evidence of the existence

743
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 5: of a particular plant at a particular time. You don't

744
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: have to send it anywhere. You could keep it in

745
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 5: your freezer. It's just it can use. It can be

746
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 5: used to track the to track the off the genuineness.

747
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: And the date and the time, and they therefore.

748
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: And you're tracking the date and the time. And if

749
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 5: you want to list it in the marketplace, you just

750
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 5: toggle a little switch. If you don't want to list

751
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 5: it in the marketplace, you just want to have it

752
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 5: as you're part of your own personal archive. I created

753
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 5: this plant. It exists on January twenty third, twenty twenty four.

754
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 5: Here's my evidence of it that I that I that

755
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 5: I registered a photo of this sample on the blockchain,

756
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 5: so that it's you know, immutable, and you can choose

757
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 5: to sell it or not sell it, but at least

758
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: you have this piece of evidence. So if somebody says

759
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 5: you didn't have that, or that's not your or cut

760
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 5: or I invented it, you know, after January twenty.

761
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: Third, you could say, well, no, there's my proof. Here's

762
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 4: my proof.

763
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: Do you guys charge people to be on your website?

764
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 5: Absolutely not. So there's there's really two main functions. The

765
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 5: first is as an archive and this is like my

766
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 5: passion project. It was nights and weekends, it lived on

767
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 5: my phone, and then it was you know, I have

768
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 5: a full time job as a lawyer, as we've discussed,

769
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: but I really just wanted to build it as like

770
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 5: a gift really and to the industry, just as a

771
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 5: way to track your genetics. That kind of made a

772
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 5: little bit more sense. If people use the commercialization features,

773
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 5: then we charge a forty dollars admin fee if you

774
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 5: negotiate an agreement, and I'll talk about that in a

775
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: sac But if you're just using it to like archive,

776
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 5: this is my this is my plan. I worked really

777
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 5: hard on it. I had it on this particular date.

778
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 5: We don't charge for that. And when you're it's not

779
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 5: just the way that our workflow works. It's not just

780
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 5: the the plant sample. The plant sample is the most

781
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 5: important part, because what is a cannabis strain. It's a plant,

782
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 5: that's what it is.

783
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: It's just and we have your proof right there.

784
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 5: But We also allow users to say to to list

785
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 5: different properties of the genetic. They can upload documents, They

786
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 5: can keep the documents private or public. If you label

787
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 5: a document as private, no one can see it, not

788
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: even us, and that's like the use of blockchain here.

789
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 5: And you can upload photos. We put together a way

790
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 5: to for people to apply for provisional patent applications. We

791
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 5: haven't pushed to that yet, but it's really just like

792
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 5: a way to say, I worked really hard on this,

793
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 5: I invented it. If you want to, if you want

794
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: to license it, if you want to use it in

795
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 5: your grow, you know, fine, just create this workflow. So

796
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 5: in my practice, I've done cult of our licensing deals and.

797
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,479
Speaker 4: It's it's not actually that complicated. The legal work.

798
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 5: The contract is you have to pay for a lawyer,

799
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 5: or at least you did before we inved this thing,

800
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: But the legal work, there's not actually that many things

801
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: that need to be decided. It's you know, rates of attribution, branding.

802
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 5: You can create your own SOPs. But other than that,

803
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 5: it's not really that complicated an agreement. And so if

804
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 5: I wanted to grow, you know, Joe's cush in my

805
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 5: in my grow every time we tag one of those plants,

806
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 5: the metric tag goes into Metric. We can pull that

807
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 5: data confidentially because it's blockchain, so I don't see any

808
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 5: transaction records, and we can just send me a bill.

809
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: I grew one hundred plans of Joe's cush I owe

810
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: you one hundred it's a dollar plan, I owe you

811
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: one hundred bucks. So rather than getting paid at the

812
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: first point of sale, where you know, your tray of

813
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 5: clones or your bag of seeds goes out the door,

814
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 5: it's a pay as you go system that actually rewards

815
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 5: the creator based on the level of commercialization.

816
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: So if I come up with a killer strain, I

817
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: can get paid on it forever through this type of system.

818
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: Exactly.

819
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 5: Well, so the way that we set it up is

820
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 5: that you can create a term for the contract, so

821
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 5: you could say it's two years, and then if you

822
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 5: want to grow up beyond two years, you have to renegotiate.

823
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, theoretically, yeah, and that's really and when you

824
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 5: think about it, it's that's fair. It's you're the person

825
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 5: who created the work of art. You know, if you

826
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 5: were amusing, you set it up exactly right.

827
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Well, you said that it's just like the Spotify's and

828
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: this and that the early days is napster that was

829
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: out before and now it's like, dude, people should be

830
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: getting paid on these things. Yeah, and he came up

831
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: with it. If you like you made the music, you

832
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: should get paid on it.

833
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: And even if it's only you know, twenty five cents,

834
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 5: you shouldn't get paid if you're the creator of astray.

835
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 5: And it doesn't seem fair that the person that commercializes

836
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 5: that stray and pays you the same amount whether or

837
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 5: not they grow a thousand plants or a million plants.

838
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: I think it's awesome, dude. I think you're doing a

839
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: credit to the cannabis industry. And I love people that

840
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: are on here. I know a lot of these cultivars,

841
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: and I love that Doc Ray actually uses his picture

842
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: on your websit site being on the show set here.

843
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed that, but look at

844
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: Doc Ray, one of your cultivators. He has his profile.

845
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 4: Joy Dude.

846
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: Doc is one of those guys that's just an og

847
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: military dude, soldier to cannabis. I think cancer survivor if

848
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken too, But I just love the dude,

849
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: and I love what you're doing. And when people say this,

850
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: did you say there was a pay one too for this?

851
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 5: There's if you use it to enter into contracts, like

852
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: I did your legal work for you because you entered

853
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: into licensing agreement.

854
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 4: I basically wrote your contract for you.

855
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 5: So we charged forty bucks with it, which is much

856
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 5: less than it would cost a hire a lawyer.

857
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: And then that's good, right.

858
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 5: And if we process your monthly invoices, we charged three

859
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: percent of the invoice as an admin v so it's.

860
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 4: Not really but we give you the ability.

861
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 5: To do a one time contract where we don't really

862
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 5: where we don't track and charge royalties. But I think

863
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 5: the way that I didn't do this to make money.

864
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 5: I have a day job to make money. I did

865
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 5: this kind of like out of passion. And I really

866
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 5: think probably most people are going to use it for

867
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 5: the documentation and registration features.

868
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: What is the feedback that you're getting from the cultivars

869
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 2: that are using this right now?

870
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: It's a little buggy. So we're just.

871
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: Honest, Judge Ruster, what you said, I love you, because

872
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: why good? You're honest. You're like, oh, it's working great. Now,

873
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: it's a little buggy right now, Joe. To be honest,

874
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: it's a little buggy, but it's great. I think the

875
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: for what we did, and I had a staff.

876
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 5: Unfortunately we don't have the staff anymore because it's you know,

877
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 5: we weren't able to raise money, but we put our

878
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: hearts into it, and I think it chose with the product.

879
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: Well cool. Go check it out, you guys cannot be

880
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: right dot Com check it out. You can see the

881
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: people that are on there, some very well known people.

882
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: I like to do the high five. It's been a

883
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 2: long time with people that come into show. So Jeff,

884
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 2: high five with you. How old were you the first

885
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 2: time we smoked cannabis? And where'd you get it from?

886
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: Fifteen? Sorry I didn't prepare answers to this, so that's fine.

887
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: They're just that.

888
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was fifteen. My friend Bob, like he we did.

889
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 5: He had like something he called it like a smokeout,

890
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 5: and then we went to the A's game. We just

891
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: like smoked blunts in the park and then like went

892
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 5: to the A's game.

893
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 4: But I didn't.

894
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 5: I didn't get high the first time I smoked, which

895
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: like you you see you see those like videos of

896
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: like people the first time they smoke and they start coughing,

897
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: and like I was not one of those people, Like

898
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 5: I like I have showed like great aptitude for smoking,

899
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 5: but like didn't get high the first time.

900
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: How funny, not at all, not at all. Well, I'm

901
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: sure you have since then. Where's the What is your

902
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: favorite way to use cannabis?

903
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 5: Jeff, I have a pas. It's great with the kids.

904
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 5: I think it changes your preferences because, like I like,

905
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 5: you know, outdoor sort of regenerative soil, like organics, because

906
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 5: you can taste that. You can taste the difference between

907
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 5: indoor an outdoor if you use like a my dad's

908
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 5: a chef too, but yeah, outdoor sort of organic flower

909
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 5: with the organic flower with the packs.

910
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: Really that's your way to get down perfect. Question number

911
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: three of the high five, what's the craziest place you

912
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: ever used or smoked cannabis?

913
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 5: When I was nineteen, I went on like a sort

914
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 5: of like I'm just gonna I'm gonna do a crazy

915
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 5: trip by myself. So I went to Morocco for like

916
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 5: a month.

917
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: A lot of hash out there.

918
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I smoked hash in the desert with my

919
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: like tour guide no way. Yeah, of course it was

920
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 5: sand dudes.

921
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

922
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 4: There's camels, a bunch of tourists.

923
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: That's so cool. What an experienced nineteen too to be

924
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: out there like that.

925
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I was just like wanted to get away.

926
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 6: I don't know.

927
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: That's a that's a great time right there. Question number

928
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: four of the high five. What is your go to

929
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: munchies after you get high?

930
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 4: Fresh fruit? Always fresh fruit?

931
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: Really?

932
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? Anything?

933
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: And I'm so.

934
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 5: I've got a pineapple at home right now, which is like,

935
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 5: I'm pretty excited about.

936
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 2: What kind of chef is your dad?

937
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: He ran restaurants and then he ran the cooking school

938
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 5: at City College, San Francisco. Oh really when I was

939
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 5: a kid. Yeah, when he had kids, he stopped doing

940
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 5: restaurants because like that so busy.

941
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 4: Of course.

942
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then he just taught.

943
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 5: So he taught cooking. Yeah, so it was like fun

944
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 5: when I was a kid. We could go to the

945
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 5: cooking school and like try whatever, try whatever. Everyone is

946
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: nice to me because like.

947
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: The dad's the dean whatever the cooking area. Oh that's fun.

948
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: I love cooking. I love eating. It's a good time.

949
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: Question number five with a high five. Attorney Jeff Hamilton

950
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: is in the building with the shoe guys, Jeff, if

951
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: you can smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive, who

952
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: would it be and why?

953
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: This is the This is the question I did not

954
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: prepare for. I mean, I just read the news like

955
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 5: everyone waging war right now, just like I feel like

956
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 5: cannabis as a way to find peaceful, to find peace

957
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 5: and approach life from a place of peace, and just

958
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 5: the lessons of the plant towards goodwill, towards promoting goodwill

959
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 5: towards others. I think I would say, you know, that's

960
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 5: that's what I would say. You know, anyone who's dropping

961
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 5: a bomb right now, should I would want to smoke

962
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 5: weed with that person.

963
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: So you're potent of the world.

964
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, that's that's my answer.

965
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I like that because you're right, it could

966
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: set a whole different vibe.

967
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: Just imagine what it would do to the vibe.

968
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: It's so funny when you think about the medicine, what

969
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: it could do if everyone would use this medicine. That's

970
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: I just try it, see if it helps. Yeah, it

971
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: calms down, give a different out. It might not work

972
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: for them, but you know.

973
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 5: I mean, just think about what our lives would be

974
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 5: if cannabis wasn't if cannabis businesses weren't essential businesses. During COVID,

975
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 5: think about, like how many lives were saved by just people,

976
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 5: you know, smoking weed instead of getting drunk. Think about

977
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 5: like the police calls that never happened.

978
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: And think of how many that weren't in the states

979
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: that were it wasn't legal, so let alone, it helped

980
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: out the states that were the states that weren't hurt.

981
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: And then you see the taxes and the money that

982
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: was raised from it when it was legal. It's just

983
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: so crazy. It's just one of those things you sit

984
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: back and look at and I expect even more so

985
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: being an attorney, when you look at it and you

986
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: look at what's going on from the government standpoint on

987
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: a daily basis, and going everyone's a freaking liar. Everyone

988
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: acts like this is going to be the move. Everyone's

989
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: an act They're going to do something, and they really

990
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: haven't done anything.

991
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

992
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 5: I mean, I think just the ability of cannabis to

993
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 5: allow human beings to approach their lives from a place

994
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: of peace and love and understanding, well, we're.

995
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: Coming on the next election without you know, people acting like, oh,

996
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: I'm standing for this, the Green vote, the Green vote,

997
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: and now we're getting we're running into another election now

998
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: with is it going to be this time? Is it

999
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: going to be the Green vote? Really? You know which

1000
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: one of these monkeys is going to say, vote for

1001
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: me for Green blah blah blah. You know, it's like

1002
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: they kind of act like it's going to happen. It's

1003
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: not going to happen.

1004
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 4: And there's still people in jail.

1005
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: And there's that too.

1006
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: I mean, the ultimate tragedy of all of this.

1007
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: A better way to do business? You guys called Jeff Hamilton.

1008
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: He's the partner at Parella Lebroun and of course he's

1009
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: got his Marto LLP and the co founder are semi

1010
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: founder of Canopy, right, Jeff? Is there anything hey? We

1011
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: forgot to mention that you'd like to share with the

1012
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: audis before we let you go.

1013
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: No.

1014
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Speaker 5: I just appreciate being back on the show. I appreciate

1015
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 5: everyone in this room.

1016
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: I appreciate you showing up today for your internship. It's

1017
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: great to have a new intern in the building with

1018
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: us today and experienced lawyer from Yale and Columbia University

1019
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: is interning with us. Thank you, Jennifer for finding and

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Speaker 2: opening the door for the newest oldest injury. You're like,

1021
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: fucking what's his name in the movie The Intern? Not

1022
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: al Pacino, de Niro, Robert de Niro. You ever seen

1023
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: the movie The Intern?

1024
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Speaker 4: That's a very kind You're DeNiro talk.

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