Speaker 1: My grandma and your grandma was sitting bad fire. My
Speaker 1: grandma to your grandma. I'm gonna say, I find you're
Speaker 1: talking about him. Get I go on, jagomo jam it is.
Speaker 1: I'm getting a little wet in here. It's moist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because our producer, hot producer Joe keeps throwing water
Speaker 1: around here. Oh my god, a hot producer Joe spilled
Speaker 1: some water on his lap earlier. It was hilarious. It
Speaker 1: was so we are not letting him get away with that. No,
Speaker 1: it was dripping everywhere. Oh my god. So can I
Speaker 1: tell you, I'm nervous about what I might say because
Speaker 1: now you know, after listening to last week's episode, I
Speaker 1: broke the story of the death of you Hefner and
Speaker 1: guess what, he's alive. It was not true. It was
Speaker 1: patently false. And um, we're so sorry that even we
Speaker 1: are not immune to fake news. I am, but Matt
Speaker 1: is not right. No, I'm actually I'm, of course, as
Speaker 1: the listeners know, the worse of the two of us.
Speaker 1: So that is not that that's up for debate. Rule
Speaker 1: number one D six of culture is better better Now
Speaker 1: I can't say that. Well, okay, tell us in the comments,
Speaker 1: who's better? All right? Tell us in the comments tweeted
Speaker 1: us who's better? But you know who's better than both
Speaker 1: of us, our guests. Let's go through the credits. Fucking credits, down, down, boots.
Speaker 1: You seen her on Mr Robot, you seen her on
Speaker 1: Stars Party, and you're currently seeing her right now in
Speaker 1: the hit Netflix show Glow. Well, I assume it's hit.
Speaker 1: You know Netflix famously, they don't release the number. They
Speaker 1: don't release the numbers. They keep it very close to
Speaker 1: the vest, honey, indeed, but the buzz is definitely definitely buzz.
Speaker 1: And then of the buzz breakout stars and stars that
Speaker 1: used to be stars now seeing them in a new light,
Speaker 1: defining them. Sure, I think amazing and I'm gagging over
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of the stars. And we'll
Speaker 1: discuss it. We'll discuss And she's part of the legendary
Speaker 1: Cocoon Central Dance team. She may have an amazing film
Speaker 1: called Snowy Bang Bongs that is coming very soon. It
Speaker 1: played a BAM for a couple of nights. Umm, bing
Speaker 1: my bond to that, Bing my Bond. Guys, please welcome, Yes, peaked, No,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'll tell you when we peaked was
Speaker 1: when we who did the lottery I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey live and then you won and we were so
Speaker 1: gagged when it was you, our fate, our fate and
Speaker 1: you I remember you screening and it's it's it's on,
Speaker 1: It's on the arm. But goes oh ship, she shoots up.
Speaker 1: We're like, it's Sunita and then she does her I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey about white people appropriating yogau so
Speaker 1: taking yoga from my people. Yes, I was really I
Speaker 1: can't believe I had one. Yeah, oh my god, inspired
Speaker 1: by your sick show. It was an incredible show, so amped.
Speaker 1: The crowd was like it was soul that you'll be
Speaker 1: on and I cannot wait. Also, I like, I told
Speaker 1: this to Boone on our Disney trip, but I just like,
Speaker 1: I was so excited and I just rushed the stage
Speaker 1: and was like, okay, I didn't like give enough time
Speaker 1: for people to realize that I donated to charity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is the takeaway how I won tickets. It was
Speaker 1: a raffle for trans Lifeline. Wonderful organization donated and that
Speaker 1: is the most important part of all ten raffle tickets.
Speaker 1: I was ten. Yeah, I was gonna say, I was
Speaker 1: gonna that's a lot of money. That a lot of money.
Speaker 1: That's the drink and a half sacrificed. There was no question.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So you at tend tickets floating around
Speaker 1: in there and you win the lottery. It's probably why
Speaker 1: you will number culture. You got to put a lot
Speaker 1: of tickets to win the raffle. That's that's true. That's
Speaker 1: a true rule. Raffle culture, raffle culture. Need to how
Speaker 1: are you doing? I'm good, I am so tann Just
Speaker 1: for the listeners at home to visualize and get that.
Speaker 1: And another important visual partis you need his presentation today
Speaker 1: is its bow and her hair. It is timeless, it's
Speaker 1: for it's for you now. I accept it and I
Speaker 1: receive it. But I would say, I'm going to say
Speaker 1: it's mostly for you. And we also when you came in,
Speaker 1: you commented on my mustache, and then I commented on
Speaker 1: the bow. And then we said, you know what it's
Speaker 1: for now? And I said, you know what rule number
Speaker 1: what it's? What is it seventy we'll number seventy four
Speaker 1: of culture. Sometimes things are for now, they're just for now,
Speaker 1: just for now. You know what I'm what it feels
Speaker 1: like even though they're you know, we're real people and
Speaker 1: their accessories from our lives. It's like when you have
Speaker 1: those things in a photo booth, like the sunglass. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're like making the props real, the photo booth of
Speaker 1: the world to see. Yes, you know, you're all born
Speaker 1: naked and the rest is drag. And sometimes people live
Speaker 1: their life without a bow and then you put the
Speaker 1: bow right on. Also, it's human out there. But your
Speaker 1: hair looks unreal. What's going on? It loves the moisture.
Speaker 1: It's a sponge, just sponge, but you wear it looks
Speaker 1: so good. I'm about to get a cut. I try
Speaker 1: to get it cut before this podcast. I wanted to
Speaker 1: look so good. I get my bangs. And also, yes
Speaker 1: you had bangs. Yeah, they grow so fast you just
Speaker 1: putching the macor there have they just always this conveniently
Speaker 1: placed buck my long bang. Okay, okay, wait, you are
Speaker 1: honestly gonna get a function, little function. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: a cut. Yeah, I'm going with a shag look that
Speaker 1: I had and earlier in the year. So you're getting
Speaker 1: a lot of it cut off. Yeah, lots of layers.
Speaker 1: It's so heavy. I get that I love the leg
Speaker 1: I think you, I think you will look timeless sent
Speaker 1: it to me locks for love. Um, because we were
Speaker 1: a charity girl. I love charity. I would just like
Speaker 1: that to be clear. Yes, yes, yeah, of course, let's
Speaker 1: say that for the record, everyone here looks charity. Okay,
Speaker 1: I love charity. Joe is rolling his eyes currently, j Producer, Joe,
Speaker 1: don't roll your eyes at charity. It's very important. Hang
Speaker 1: on to that water bottle of two hands, your motherfucker.
Speaker 1: How about that? I just stepped in a goddamn podo. Um.
Speaker 1: I just want to really quickly recap stunt in my
Speaker 1: trip to Disney World in June in front of me,
Speaker 1: even to be very quick. So, Matt, you were very
Speaker 1: much a part of it, were present, absolutely presently. It
Speaker 1: was fucking texting them too much. Um. Sunita and I,
Speaker 1: along with Michael Hardney and Eric Gerson, got to experience
Speaker 1: the newly open section of Animal Kingdom at Disney World,
Speaker 1: at Pandora, the World of Tomorrow, World of I'm So Sorry,
Speaker 1: the World of Do I Deserve to Go? Did I
Speaker 1: to Go? It was so fun. We got to do
Speaker 1: Avatar Ride of Passage and um, we got to do
Speaker 1: the river ride, which was underwhelming. It was, but what
Speaker 1: we gauged for what I think is unequivably the best
Speaker 1: ride covert yest edition Everest that was twice. That was
Speaker 1: the only one we wrote twice. That was the only
Speaker 1: one for the price. But it was the right one.
Speaker 1: It was the right one. Yeah, I'm just the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't we We got there at what like seven
Speaker 1: for an eight am opening, like for the doors to open. Ye,
Speaker 1: you were there. The whole thing was just like I
Speaker 1: can't believe we're doing that. Yeah, it was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: It was like a sojourn thing where all these people
Speaker 1: were there for the same reason and it felt weird.
Speaker 1: And it was to go to see Pandora. It was bizarre.
Speaker 1: It was to be amongst the clouds, yes, And it
Speaker 1: was like you wanted to appreciate the detail and the
Speaker 1: massive like floating mountain, just all this precious work. But
Speaker 1: you were just like running and you're like, get out
Speaker 1: of my way bridge. Oh, this bridge is slowing me down.
Speaker 1: Like I'm hungry. It's like, get the funk out of
Speaker 1: my way. It's so funny because when you go to
Speaker 1: Disney World and you're like you're like us, like we
Speaker 1: were literally so annoyed with all the children, and it's
Speaker 1: like I don't ever forget it's for that, for that,
Speaker 1: like you've had this moment several times in your life
Speaker 1: and you're but you're just pissed at the kids being
Speaker 1: loud and the magic kingdom. Like that's my take on it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get the kids out of here. But then
Speaker 1: you just at a certain point you tune them out. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I was just very glad to have shared that. O
Speaker 1: my god, Yeah, it was insane. The one moment that
Speaker 1: we were separated was when you had to wait in
Speaker 1: line for the rite of passage, but it was a
Speaker 1: flight of passage. I'm sorry, right right, So I just
Speaker 1: was gagged that that was like the turn of phrase,
Speaker 1: the pun, right, yeah, right of passage, flight of passage,
Speaker 1: wait in line for like three hours. No, seriously, I
Speaker 1: was fending off like an older Argentinian man, just like
Speaker 1: pretending to like point at things ahead of me and
Speaker 1: be like, oh I wonder what that is and get
Speaker 1: in front of me. I was onto him. I had
Speaker 1: to wait for an hour in this line, and he
Speaker 1: kept like huh, what's that and saying like interesting, like
Speaker 1: as if he was like fooling me and everyone and
Speaker 1: he just kept like bumping my shoulder, and which caused
Speaker 1: me to be really annoying to the people in front
Speaker 1: of me. Yeah, because you're like on their ass, like
Speaker 1: I'm holding my spot at all the costs. It was.
Speaker 1: It was like embarrassed. I couldn't believe his behavior. And honestly,
Speaker 1: that is so anxiety inducing. Yes that it is contagious.
Speaker 1: Then you become that crazy person that like when someone
Speaker 1: stops in the line to look at something and there's
Speaker 1: like a space between like where they should be moving,
Speaker 1: You're like, you got to move. We have to keep
Speaker 1: the airports behavior it is, you know what? Okay, so
Speaker 1: very much. So we as New Yorkers with flight of past, Hello, Delta, Delta, Delta,
Speaker 1: and culture was on the line like this is an inconvenience,
Speaker 1: and Coulder took pictures of everybody. No, h really quickly.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, we as New Yorkers when
Speaker 1: we go to Disney World, I think we have a
Speaker 1: good sense of how to navigate crowds, and like we
Speaker 1: threw people. But imagine, imagine, So this is Shane Ley
Speaker 1: painting a picture for Shanghai Disney when I went in November. Imagine, Um,
Speaker 1: so China is basically a nation of New Yorkers. Just no,
Speaker 1: it just like not caring about crowds, tunnel visioning through
Speaker 1: the day in a Disney world, the tricks you would
Speaker 1: not believe. Um, a lot. This is what we saw
Speaker 1: a lot. My sister and I. UM, two people saying hi, sorry,
Speaker 1: excuse me, pushing through us in the line saying just
Speaker 1: sardines and being like, hi, sorry, um, we have we
Speaker 1: have relatives waiting ahead of us, please let us through.
Speaker 1: But it would happen, happened, happened, happened all the time,
Speaker 1: and then and then we caught onto it. And then
Speaker 1: we're like, wow, we've been We've been fooled. You didn't
Speaker 1: do it yourself. Have principle, we have class. You don't
Speaker 1: lose that in New York. You know your principles. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: You drop a bugle on the train platform saying you
Speaker 1: pick it up and you eat it. Do you eat
Speaker 1: a lot of bugles on the train platform? No, It's
Speaker 1: just like the last snack that I was like talking about.
Speaker 1: I haven't had bugles in so long. I love bugle.
Speaker 1: Describe a bugle. It's a gorgeous cone of corn. It's corn.
Speaker 1: It's a corn cone. It's like it was like a
Speaker 1: toy because you could put them on your fingers, them
Speaker 1: on your fingertips, and they were like veils. And that
Speaker 1: was maybe my first queer experience with food was pretending
Speaker 1: to be a queen in my in my bugles nails
Speaker 1: and being like, yes, fishy, would you say that bugles?
Speaker 1: Are they present ultimately a queer narrative? Bugles ultimately tell
Speaker 1: a queer narrative. Um fingers, fingers, um, uh, horrible texture
Speaker 1: and um little mommy flavors, a little mommy that's it. Okay,
Speaker 1: oh my god son. We're gonna ask you what we
Speaker 1: ask all of our guests, which is what was the
Speaker 1: culture that made you think culture was for me? So
Speaker 1: this could be growing up like the neighborhoods you grew
Speaker 1: up in, or things that were passed down from your family.
Speaker 1: Piece of media that really turns you around, you know,
Speaker 1: really really snaped into culture and staid, Okay, I am
Speaker 1: a cultural being after all. Yes, this is so, it's
Speaker 1: a good question question. I feel like as a multicultural person,
Speaker 1: it's such a fragmented identity. I want to give you
Speaker 1: like a Pinterest board visual. I'm just gonna say this thing.
Speaker 1: I love an amalgamation, like that movie I Love Trouble.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, was Julia Roberts. I like thought I
Speaker 1: could be a reporter. I like my my idea of
Speaker 1: culture was like journalism via that movie, my God, and
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be a magazine writer or like
Speaker 1: actual writer, like the newspaper. But it gets to run
Speaker 1: around and get in trouble. Yes, and like it's really
Speaker 1: catty and that's her. Yes. Yes, And did you know
Speaker 1: that they hated each other, like they actually hated each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well apparently they just didn't mix as actors. And apparently
Speaker 1: all the shots where they're talking to each other almost
Speaker 1: entirely is standing standing. Yeah, we've got ourselves like an
Speaker 1: arg Pinjabi Julia. Yes, Wow, that is so rough. I
Speaker 1: hope that doesn't like change the movie for you. I
Speaker 1: love it even more. It's like she's even more independent.
Speaker 1: What Kraft. She just got her shots just acting next
Speaker 1: to a standard rule number I think nine of culture.
Speaker 1: Get your shots. I'm sorry, I'm as an actress. Get
Speaker 1: your shot done, get the vernacular right right now, layoff
Speaker 1: shots cage. You know, who knows what the right word
Speaker 1: is at any given time? Not me. Someone's got to know,
Speaker 1: but no one does. Can't hear him, can't It's too soft.
Speaker 1: I love this, Okay. So that's the first piece of
Speaker 1: the of the of the puzzle is I love Trouble
Speaker 1: with Nick Nulty and Julia Robs. Like loved this one
Speaker 1: Chipmunks movie, The Chipmunk's Adventure with like the hotter balloon rides.
Speaker 1: That was like my way out. That was small town Dixon, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to see the world through
Speaker 1: this movie. It's like a musical chipmunk in a hot
Speaker 1: air balloon, like smuggling diamonds. It was so dangerous from Tennessee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: come on the Southern girl. Just from the just from
Speaker 1: the sound. Those are the cultures I'm talking about, the
Speaker 1: baptism and in South Indian. But that's but that that
Speaker 1: is an intersection, honey, And that's that. Yeah. And then
Speaker 1: Sunni and I have had many conversations in the backs
Speaker 1: of cars and balls and waiting rooms in in a
Speaker 1: lot of places we audition. We're working now, I mean,
Speaker 1: but whenever, whenever, sun it is in a room. You're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: it's legit. Here, here we go the products for real,
Speaker 1: the products for real. What's like it's going to go,
Speaker 1: It's gonna go. This is gonna it's gonna go. Like
Speaker 1: when you're in the room and you see to walk in,
Speaker 1: You're like, this is going to go. This this, this
Speaker 1: pilot is going to go. Yeah. Um, what's like, what's
Speaker 1: is there like a Southern specific thing? I mean that's
Speaker 1: such a broad question. Now that's for you. That's like, oh,
Speaker 1: like lightning bulb, Like cool, this is like what is
Speaker 1: what I'm going to connect to growing up in the South,
Speaker 1: Probably passive aggressiveness or like really an indirect quality that's
Speaker 1: like so delusional, like you you think you're saying what
Speaker 1: you mean because it's so rained to like avoid confrontation
Speaker 1: that you're like you're you are like literally singing a
Speaker 1: song with your voice to just like get out of
Speaker 1: a situation. You're like, okay, well yeah, well you know,
Speaker 1: and then we'll see about that, and like you can't
Speaker 1: you can't like confront anything. It's how I feel that's
Speaker 1: paired with like my family's miscommunication. No wonder. I'm a dancer, yes,
Speaker 1: physically yes, my nonverbal skills are high, and consequently my
Speaker 1: verbal ones are low. Truly, I mean, oh, that's I
Speaker 1: feel like do do certain people like usually like put
Speaker 1: in like just label that at is what that is.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, to avoid confrontation, will just like not
Speaker 1: be not be completely genuine with our words. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's I feel like you really you really nailed
Speaker 1: something there. It's like, yeah, it's like an etiquette or
Speaker 1: something that's still a little old fashioned, or it's kind
Speaker 1: of like sweet in some ways, except that it's often
Speaker 1: to hide like awful things like racism or Yeah, but man,
Speaker 1: I guess I guess it's you from a small town.
Speaker 1: You're like seeing the same people all the time. You
Speaker 1: just want to be in good graces. And maybe there
Speaker 1: is something about like church where you have to like
Speaker 1: you're under a set of like principles and you don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't know, be be ann outside a
Speaker 1: pagan a pagan? What church is church like part of
Speaker 1: your life? In Tennessee, I would pretend I would tell
Speaker 1: people I went to church just to avoid talking about
Speaker 1: Hinduism because I went to temple. But I wouldn't call it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like, tell anyone I went to town, I
Speaker 1: go to church on Sundays where and I would like
Speaker 1: maybe literally run away across town. Oh well, you know
Speaker 1: it's a church. And they were like, I we distracted
Speaker 1: them with my triple threat talent. Yeah, of course what
Speaker 1: you would do when that situation is break into a split.
Speaker 1: And they were like, oh my god, setting the girl
Speaker 1: to New York, get around of Tennessee. There is shipper off,
Speaker 1: hot air balloon, hot air balloon. I think I have
Speaker 1: so many conversations. Maybe this is just more common than
Speaker 1: I think it is, but like I've had so many
Speaker 1: conversations with people where it's like, oh yeah, like religion
Speaker 1: was just a social survival thing where it was like
Speaker 1: I only ever said I only ever went to my
Speaker 1: youth group because because people I wanted to hang out
Speaker 1: with went to their own youth groups, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, let my youth group. We learned
Speaker 1: this and this and that, and like what a shitty
Speaker 1: thing for me to like I have put myself through.
Speaker 1: And like I don't know if but that's yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's it's different. But also I want to
Speaker 1: say this, I feel like talent is owned. I feel
Speaker 1: like the religious Like I feel like religions take ownership
Speaker 1: of talent and it's not theirs, and we need to
Speaker 1: take the concept of talent back from religions. Am I
Speaker 1: making any sense? And needed? So? Where I grew up was.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Denver, Colorado. It's Mormon adjacent place.
Speaker 1: A lot of Mormons in my high school and all
Speaker 1: the musical theater leads would coincidentally be Mormon because the
Speaker 1: parents who would like pay and fund the drama club
Speaker 1: were these super religious Mormon people, and like they would
Speaker 1: host all the cast parties and all the events. And
Speaker 1: for me growing up, it was like, well, you can
Speaker 1: only be talented if you're religious. I hear you. It's
Speaker 1: like that, where did you start? That kind of there
Speaker 1: you go? That kind of never, like there's never a
Speaker 1: pagan talent. I want a pagan talent, an atheistic talent.
Speaker 1: Writing sitting alone in the room, she thought I was
Speaker 1: going to be a writer. I thought I had talent
Speaker 1: as a writer journalist because of that, Like it was like, well,
Speaker 1: I can't express myself to anyone else. I'll just stay
Speaker 1: in my room write a story about a wizard. And
Speaker 1: of course you wrote Harry Potter, and I said on
Speaker 1: the shelf. And then of course you know a woman
Speaker 1: by the name of Joe rowling Um wrote that she
Speaker 1: stole my future. She really did. When when you you
Speaker 1: got out of there, you hitched the ride on the
Speaker 1: Hunter balloon and got out of there, did you come
Speaker 1: right to New York? No? I went to Emerson College
Speaker 1: in Boston. Okay, Boston Cultural, Yeah, come on, yeah, we
Speaker 1: went to college need it. But it was great now Emerson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is funny because I applied to Emerson as well.
Speaker 1: And you know what everyone was telling me, which I
Speaker 1: thought was so strange. Everyone was like, you know, Emerson
Speaker 1: a lot of weirdos, but where does go here? They're
Speaker 1: very artistic, you know, it's very artistic. And that was like,
Speaker 1: I guess, like the suburban mentality is like, oh, you
Speaker 1: know the arts school with the freaks are but you know,
Speaker 1: like but like and even when you got there, there
Speaker 1: was this thing of like, yeah, right, like outcasts. Um.
Speaker 1: But that was what I remember about Emerson was they
Speaker 1: were very like and it was that was a selling point.
Speaker 1: And also Jay Leno went here. Yes, it's such a weird,
Speaker 1: mainstream place with a bunch of like weirdos who are
Speaker 1: interested in like counterculture perhaps, but they're just sold by
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like, well, if I can't make
Speaker 1: my artistic statement, I'll at least in turn on the
Speaker 1: Daily Show. It's like a maybe like a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a very privileged place to where you can just
Speaker 1: like I have ideas and don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: what that means, like the consequences of that. But it
Speaker 1: was like the height of the postal service. When I
Speaker 1: got there, it was it was like sister. It was
Speaker 1: just like culture meeting hipsters and Jews, and I was like,
Speaker 1: where am I what this place? I didn't know any
Speaker 1: Jewish people at all, and it was like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: I think we're all the same. I think it's like
Speaker 1: we're all we're all the same student, which is kind
Speaker 1: of like you you were an outsider or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you I did find like my best closest friends,
Speaker 1: like my soulmates from college that I still you know,
Speaker 1: Italian Eleanor and a lot of friends. So you guys
Speaker 1: all went to Emerson. Yeah, we started out at Emerson
Speaker 1: is cocoon and Emersonian creation. Not really, it's like a
Speaker 1: new York based thing. After like we kind of went
Speaker 1: out and then came back together, went out in the
Speaker 1: world and came back together. Italian I graduated from Emerson,
Speaker 1: but Eleanor transferred to Hunter College. So she was like
Speaker 1: finishing her degree and she said, you have to come
Speaker 1: to New York. I'll do anything for you. I was like,
Speaker 1: that was it. I was like, I just want to
Speaker 1: get there and then you straight it moved from Emerson
Speaker 1: to New York, or from Boston to New York and
Speaker 1: went home for like a month or something something like that.
Speaker 1: I went home. You took the month, took the month.
Speaker 1: I took the month and really like considered my options.
Speaker 1: You have to take the moment and then the hot Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you got on the hotter balloon, which of course
Speaker 1: it crashed as there want to do um okay, So
Speaker 1: can you talk about the beginnings of Cocoon Central Dance Team,
Speaker 1: because you guys like like saying iconic and legendary dance
Speaker 1: com It's my true passion. It's kind of crazy, how
Speaker 1: like organic. It all happened out of sadness, if you
Speaker 1: can believe it, like all good art, like all good art,
Speaker 1: we were scraping the bottom of the barrel for just
Speaker 1: like I can't say that entirely for Eleanor because she
Speaker 1: wasn't she was in school and was working on a
Speaker 1: visual art degree. She was like she had the structure
Speaker 1: and was like happy in class. But myself and another
Speaker 1: Cocoon member who's not in Cocoon today. Unfortunately Katie moved,
Speaker 1: she moved away, she left New York, but we were
Speaker 1: she had to go, she had to get on the
Speaker 1: hotter balloon and going to our own destination. Is a
Speaker 1: fisher woman now it's like she's a mermaid in Alaska.
Speaker 1: A dream. Yeah, it's just another dream. And she was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta do it. That's that's the dream. These people
Speaker 1: say that rainy um. But yeah. We were like living
Speaker 1: in this a part like a two bedroom in Sunset Park,
Speaker 1: but like three of us just kind of like I
Speaker 1: had a room that didn't have a door. It was
Speaker 1: like the side door. It is like the side room
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. It was just like a little cubby.
Speaker 1: And then they had they had bedrooms with doors with doors,
Speaker 1: and then we just had like the open kitchen living
Speaker 1: room thing and then like one exposed brick wall and
Speaker 1: we were like thank God, that wall is gorgeous. What
Speaker 1: is it about an exposed brick wall that like it's
Speaker 1: a real selling point, I know. We were like that
Speaker 1: could be the background of our stage. Like it was
Speaker 1: like this hard It was just like a hardwood floor,
Speaker 1: like a rectangle and then like this brick wall and
Speaker 1: Eleanor and I saw the place together and we were like, honestly,
Speaker 1: we could use that. It was like it became we
Speaker 1: were just so like talent show minded and that's basically
Speaker 1: how Cocoon started. We would host open mics in this
Speaker 1: apartment because we couldn't afford furniture, and like didn't try,
Speaker 1: Like even if we couldn't, we like didn't try. We
Speaker 1: just left it open. And but for functional things, functional
Speaker 1: perpect like worked out better to just have it, like
Speaker 1: we could have more people over and we love we
Speaker 1: do love to dance, and it is makes you feel
Speaker 1: good when you're sad, so we would like just like
Speaker 1: get high and dance, and like there was all it was.
Speaker 1: It felt like ours, you know, and it was sometimes
Speaker 1: romantic and sometimes like what you know that that year
Speaker 1: of like like we have no furniture, yeah, and like
Speaker 1: we I only have a job two days a week,
Speaker 1: like I don't know what to do, and it at
Speaker 1: at an open mic. We were like hosting these. It
Speaker 1: had been like the second open mic or something, and
Speaker 1: it was Eleanor's birthday and we decided we would like
Speaker 1: make a welcome dance. And it's like the origins of
Speaker 1: Cocoon to like just dance for fun because we love
Speaker 1: ceremony to get together and express Yeah, pretty much. It
Speaker 1: was to Kate Bush's Hounds of Love and we were like,
Speaker 1: let's just set it, let's just do this right. And
Speaker 1: that was like the start of the party. And then
Speaker 1: it was it was our friends that like we like
Speaker 1: to take talent shows seriously. It's like it's an excuse
Speaker 1: to like perform for each other and like get drunken dance.
Speaker 1: But we like would tape a mic to a broom
Speaker 1: handle like a little boom micro and then just like
Speaker 1: hold it for each other because there's no mic stand.
Speaker 1: But we were like, we, well, you need the mike
Speaker 1: butt hold mike. So were you the kind of kid
Speaker 1: that would do dance contests? Oh my god, We're like,
Speaker 1: because we used to do dance contests and we would
Speaker 1: score each other. I used to well, I used to do.
Speaker 1: I do remember one dance contest. I was the kind
Speaker 1: of person who like choreographed songs to like Jules On,
Speaker 1: like I love that Dairy Queen song, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that was my first piece of choreography to the Dairy
Speaker 1: Queen commercial. But the only dance contest I've won was
Speaker 1: doing the macarenat like a hospital Halloween and you did
Speaker 1: the best. I did the makina the best. I think
Speaker 1: I would share what I mean. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Do you remember what the what your skill was? What
Speaker 1: set you apart? Was it just the sharpness, the cleanness
Speaker 1: of the moves. I think I shocked everyone by being
Speaker 1: like paper thin, pencil thin hair out like huge hair
Speaker 1: like pageant like imagine tiny pageant girl but like brown,
Speaker 1: and her hairlines connected to her eyebrows. I had a mustache.
Speaker 1: I was so tiny. I was just like too tiny
Speaker 1: for having a lot of energy, and my eyes were
Speaker 1: like half of mine. I think I just purely shocked people. Yes,
Speaker 1: if someone recorded that, you would have been the upperstar everywhere.
Speaker 1: Do you believe the news channel was there? Local news?
Speaker 1: I don't know where that footage is today. I'll get
Speaker 1: my agent on someone's going to get someone on that.
Speaker 1: We need to track that down and either Burnett or
Speaker 1: make sure everyone season. Oh my god. Okay, so so
Speaker 1: basically from that very scrappy beginning for Cartoon Central. And
Speaker 1: and now you're tell us about the tell us about
Speaker 1: the film, because I just want I'm so sad that
Speaker 1: I missed down on seeing it, but I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see it when it when it's just available for
Speaker 1: everybody very soon. There's one more screening. It's part of
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Comedy Festival. Great Taylor More hosts. It's on
Speaker 1: the up. Yes, I do love Taylor More. He's the best.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's like shorts and features, super honky, just
Speaker 1: just noting. Don't love me. Listen when a man is handsome,
Speaker 1: I say it. You know what my favorite quality about
Speaker 1: Taylor is he has his Spotify Discovery We Discover week Sterify,
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Speaker 1: this is this is racist. I can't believe this. It's
Speaker 1: my third language. I was I was just regrigitating what
Speaker 1: happened to me and my fire complicit and this is
Speaker 1: this is go on. Um, what's good about Tyler? And
Speaker 1: it's hutting off my bit um. He just has a
Speaker 1: great Spotify Discover weekly playlist. Yeah, let me tell you that.
Speaker 1: What the date? Please at that festival on August at
Speaker 1: Nighthawk Lovely oh not famously can get food there and
Speaker 1: watch a film. Famously miss the famous Nighthawk theater, but
Speaker 1: not the only game in town. Now with the Alamo.
Speaker 1: You've been to the Alamo Drafthouse. Oh are you about
Speaker 1: to like rip it? I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1: The food though not so good, so good, but you
Speaker 1: know on the record you wore some buffalo wings and okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's it. I'm a vegetarian. You got like a
Speaker 1: grilled cheese and a flatbread or something. Okay. I remember
Speaker 1: we saw fantastic beasts and we're to find them and
Speaker 1: I had my weed butter and I was dipping my
Speaker 1: fries and the weed butter. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was super stone. But did
Speaker 1: you guys see it? Or was that movie a gay
Speaker 1: art house film? It was a gay artouse film and
Speaker 1: Jak Rolling had a lot of fun with it. And
Speaker 1: every time Colin Farrell would like put his lips on
Speaker 1: as recline, his face, I would be like, I have
Speaker 1: to see it. I'm gonna stuck on this wing, as
Speaker 1: Reclined writes for Vox SNBC. Okay August, Yes, as part
Speaker 1: of the Brooklyn Comedy Festival. Okay, I'm there are there
Speaker 1: still tickets left? I'm sure. I don't even think forgive me, Taylor,
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if it's announced yet. You're hearing
Speaker 1: it before anyone. We have a breaking story. We have
Speaker 1: the scoop here. We love a little bit of a scoop,
Speaker 1: a little bit of a scoop. Okay, So tell us
Speaker 1: about what is the movie? Come on tell us. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's called Snowy Bing Bongs and it's a film adaptation
Speaker 1: of this live performance that we did like two fifteen
Speaker 1: featuring these creatures called being Bongs that are so dumb
Speaker 1: and beautiful. I love that. That's my favorite, my favorite
Speaker 1: thing can be. They're really Yes, they're just so much fun.
Speaker 1: They're like little space aliens. They just kind of exist
Speaker 1: in there, you know, in their tundra, the Arctic tundra.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the best word. It's Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good one. It's got weight. Yeah, it means something.
Speaker 1: It's so visual yes, it's an exotic word, truly, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I stopped everything to say that.
Speaker 1: I like the word continue no worries. It's like it's
Speaker 1: hard to explain because it's it's basically a series of
Speaker 1: dance pieces like based around the snowy being bogs, but
Speaker 1: it goes a lot of places and there it's kind
Speaker 1: of held together by like you know you are you
Speaker 1: are like put into space and these planets are like
Speaker 1: revolving around each other, so you see like the snooping
Speaker 1: bogs in their world, and then we like move to
Speaker 1: different planets and see different dance pieces. I'm bringing my
Speaker 1: weed butter to that. It is like it is a
Speaker 1: trippy movie. It's like very stony without being like we
Speaker 1: weren't we just weren't stoned made it. It was like
Speaker 1: it was just like we had a deadline and we
Speaker 1: had to make something, and it was like we wanted
Speaker 1: to tell this epic story, and the way we told
Speaker 1: it in the live show was through tableaus just like
Speaker 1: thirty like dramatic still things, and we just like cut
Speaker 1: to them throughout the show. And then in between those
Speaker 1: tableaus we had like other silly dances and monologues and
Speaker 1: videos that the format is really patched, but it's deliberate.
Speaker 1: On film, it's like more of a connected story, I
Speaker 1: guess loose story, but it's like very grand. The scenes
Speaker 1: are really really beautiful, and yeah, how long have you
Speaker 1: guys been performing in New York? And like, how long
Speaker 1: have you guys been the thing? It's so long? Two
Speaker 1: thousand nine. And that was like one Variety show back
Speaker 1: in two thousand nine called The Moon that we were
Speaker 1: like the house dancers for and we'd like perform every
Speaker 1: other week a new piece that was like super choreographed.
Speaker 1: We that's kind of where like Dance Team came from.
Speaker 1: And our name was like we're like the drill team.
Speaker 1: We will be there every Yeah. Yeah, that's like that's
Speaker 1: like I'm not and I'm not saying this. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this to data, but that's like a great, very
Speaker 1: very young what I'm saying, say what you're going to say?
Speaker 1: Do you mean to cut you off? No? I was
Speaker 1: just so happy to hear that. No. Oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just a great legendary show. Um. And and that's great
Speaker 1: in Bob's graz Yeah, And it had this like Muppet
Speaker 1: show spirit that we love and we're so we could
Speaker 1: really indulge in some like vaudevillian stuff. It's like very sincere.
Speaker 1: You don't get that any more. Performance You really don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, where is it? Where is it? I don't
Speaker 1: see sincerity, not on stage, not out of these comedians.
Speaker 1: Everyone's everyone's just filtering through stuff. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Get sincere, get sincere um Wait did this
Speaker 1: do you? Guys actually performed a long for a long
Speaker 1: time at the Pit. We did at the Pit with
Speaker 1: Snowy being Bogs. It's been like a whole run of
Speaker 1: like variety shows for ever, like we've we've been, we've
Speaker 1: been in every shitty bathroom. That was kind of like
Speaker 1: the beginning to Yeah, we were at the Pit for
Speaker 1: us quite a long time, and I felt like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we would get like booked on these little shows that
Speaker 1: were like, oh, what's the space, Oh it's a rug, right,
Speaker 1: and that you have like production value or like a
Speaker 1: sense of production value, and you're in a literal basement
Speaker 1: and there's like, sorry, the lights don't work, Like the
Speaker 1: lights don't work, lights don't work, and unfortunately there's four chairs.
Speaker 1: Did you bring anybody we got booked one time. I
Speaker 1: love this space, but it wasn't for us. Pete's Candy
Speaker 1: Store such a good space but popular. There was eight
Speaker 1: of us. Then Pizza Ki started doing like these like
Speaker 1: like pop songs, literally screaming railroad style on like a
Speaker 1: postcard size stage, a literal four by six four inches
Speaker 1: by six inches gorgeous stage. But yeah, like it just
Speaker 1: was so in congress. It's a very sweet space. I
Speaker 1: think half of us were like sitting like oh my god.
Speaker 1: And it was really one of those moments where I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I I hate myself. No, I mean no,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I felt like kind of it went from
Speaker 1: like God, we're you know, we're doing it, and then
Speaker 1: you're like sometimes you know what, it's good we got
Speaker 1: out there, and then it went into like I'm how
Speaker 1: old and I'm doing right for these men. It was
Speaker 1: just like guts men dancing for men in suits. I
Speaker 1: don't know how sentimental I should feel or even like
Speaker 1: how much I should romantic eyes that because it's like,
Speaker 1: was it did I need to do it? Maybe? Sure? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like maybe it did enrich something in me. No regrets.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you feel about Sita had nothing
Speaker 1: else going for it, Like I was truly proud of it,
Speaker 1: even though it was like some some basement. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were like making costumes and we were like rehearsing like
Speaker 1: it was the day of the show feeling, and I
Speaker 1: kind of needed it because I didn't have I wasn't
Speaker 1: really I didn't really get into acting until a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Yeah, really shouldn't be on television. Disagree
Speaker 1: and fat like, Okay, so here's the thing. And this
Speaker 1: was I think. I think before we started recording, I
Speaker 1: told Sanita was like, I'm gonna ask you a question
Speaker 1: and problem and you just have to accept this because
Speaker 1: it might seem like it's too much, but you just
Speaker 1: have to accept it. And you just and I said,
Speaker 1: you deserve it. But I just think that you were
Speaker 1: you were just very very very captivating to watch and
Speaker 1: you were just you were just very good at what
Speaker 1: you do on camera. Because I was even just watching
Speaker 1: Search Party the other week and it was I was
Speaker 1: watching your episode or the one where you you were
Speaker 1: hearing a couple. You're absolutely back to the craft services
Speaker 1: services grilled cheese. Grilled cheese. She had to go back
Speaker 1: to data guilds after every take and be like Okay,
Speaker 1: we're good. Um, but even that scene, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my God, like suns nailing this, like just and
Speaker 1: even even Matt disagrees, even even on Robot, even on Glow.
Speaker 1: I mean like I'm just like God, like, she's just
Speaker 1: so so compelling to watch and receiving. And my question
Speaker 1: sounds so shitty now that I'm thinking about it, but
Speaker 1: it's like I can't wait, what is where are you
Speaker 1: going through? What are you thinking? Because I feel like
Speaker 1: I'll every now and on the once in a bloom
Speaker 1: when I'm on a fucking set, I'll be like, what
Speaker 1: the funk am I doing? I'm terrible at this? What's
Speaker 1: going on? And like, I just great question? Did you
Speaker 1: pick that? Like is that something you've acquired or is it?
Speaker 1: Like yes, it's like a confidence or just like you
Speaker 1: have to learn to be okay with no feedback or
Speaker 1: like your taste. It's like the way you read because
Speaker 1: it is like this moment in like a twenty minute episode,
Speaker 1: like you don't really have the foresight of how it's
Speaker 1: going to fit in, so you just have to like
Speaker 1: be okay with what you're doing and trust they'll tell
Speaker 1: you if you're not on the right tone pitch. It's
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's really hard actually in these situations
Speaker 1: because especially with I mean all of these situations, I
Speaker 1: get like two takes or three tapes because it's like
Speaker 1: super ancillary and that's like I'm so down to be
Speaker 1: a part of it and I love that I get
Speaker 1: to and it's just part of the processes. Yeah, and learning,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if I could. It's good to
Speaker 1: like learn through these steps for the bigger thing, but
Speaker 1: it's so it is really nerve wracking to feel like,
Speaker 1: can I say the words, how do I just be
Speaker 1: a normal person? Just like be a normal person? Is
Speaker 1: that enough? Literally coming from live performance? Like like I
Speaker 1: think the majority of us because I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: know that you didn't have acting training. I wouldn't know
Speaker 1: that because you are so fantastic. So but I know
Speaker 1: that sometimes myself, you know, when when acting opportunities come
Speaker 1: up and I think you've just we've discussed this as well, bowing, um,
Speaker 1: you can feel like shit, I actually don't really know
Speaker 1: how to do this. And then I think back to
Speaker 1: like acting school or I wasn't even an acting school,
Speaker 1: but like those actors that went through that for many years,
Speaker 1: and you're on set with a lot of those people
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I have to fake that I
Speaker 1: actually know what's going on, And all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're you you, Yeah, you're in that position and you're
Speaker 1: like just being a normal human being normal human, but
Speaker 1: like there is you're without that validation that you get
Speaker 1: from live performance, which is so valuable and teaches us
Speaker 1: how to do what we do, and that it's like
Speaker 1: it's you do the same thing over and over, like
Speaker 1: with multiple takes or like you're just you're off camera
Speaker 1: for your lines, like you're just you're getting this repetition
Speaker 1: that's so real. Yeah, and that what was I going
Speaker 1: to say that you? Oh? And learning how Yeah, like
Speaker 1: how you read on camera. It's like I look and
Speaker 1: sounds so different than what is going on in my head. Actually.
Speaker 1: So it's like for some people they don't I don't
Speaker 1: really like to watch myself too much, but sometimes I
Speaker 1: really need to because I'm like, oh, that's an angry face.
Speaker 1: I didn't think I was being Oh, I thought I
Speaker 1: was being soulful. You know. It's like you kind of
Speaker 1: need to adjust your awareness of yourself. Yes, and that
Speaker 1: super hard, because I still don't know if I'm I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think maybe all of us as artists
Speaker 1: and actors, you'll just never feel like you're doing the
Speaker 1: absolute best job, like oh you needn't you could, if
Speaker 1: you could, or if you just could have another chance,
Speaker 1: or you know, that feeling. And also I don't know
Speaker 1: if that ever leaves, you know, I don't think it will.
Speaker 1: And also also knowing that it's not ultimately not going
Speaker 1: to be up to you, because they are going to
Speaker 1: take several times what you did. I was just listening
Speaker 1: to w TF with Marc maron Your Coach Star because
Speaker 1: I've recently kind of not really not discovered, not rediscovered,
Speaker 1: but I'm enjoying the podcast again because I've been watching
Speaker 1: Glow and I like him very much. I really enjoyed WF.
Speaker 1: But I listened to the and Halthaway episode and she
Speaker 1: was talked. I really, I really enjoyed this episode and
Speaker 1: I actually liked her a lot after it. Um but
Speaker 1: she was discussing Brokeback Mountain and she was saying, how
Speaker 1: Angley would say, now play this take like you know
Speaker 1: your husband is gay, and she would lay it on
Speaker 1: pretty thick sometimes and then not, and then he would say,
Speaker 1: now play this take like you have absolutely no idea,
Speaker 1: and she would do that. And then she said when
Speaker 1: she watched the movie, she saw both like and it
Speaker 1: was like a performance that was put together essentially by
Speaker 1: the director and the editor. And that's just like part
Speaker 1: of being an actor is it take that direction and
Speaker 1: you do what you do when you try to see
Speaker 1: it as best as you can and play the text
Speaker 1: and remember it's not really about are there to be
Speaker 1: manipulated in like the most professional way exploited for your resources,
Speaker 1: which is like I want to I want to be
Speaker 1: that way, like I want you to get the best nugget.
Speaker 1: But it's so strange to like let go of your
Speaker 1: idea of what it should be, especially because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't feel like I'm going to get that,
Speaker 1: and you know, I just feel like, is there going
Speaker 1: to be another chance? I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: this is a good representation of of me. And and
Speaker 1: then it's like of brown women of brown in the
Speaker 1: American feel I know you can't, but it's like you
Speaker 1: just maybe you can, but it's like for me, it's
Speaker 1: like otherwise then it's it's completely out of control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but as in the it's awful, But in the that position,
Speaker 1: I'm like it was that because they needed more brown people,
Speaker 1: you know, so you feel like you have to be
Speaker 1: a good representation of Sure, you're basically of yourself, like
Speaker 1: he is true yourself as you can. But also then
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, it gets it gets totally
Speaker 1: too big sometimes yeah, And I'm sorry, I don't mean
Speaker 1: to like speak for you and that and that I
Speaker 1: thought in that sentiment, but just I you know, of course,
Speaker 1: and we all feel the same, yes, or maybe you
Speaker 1: weren't included in something for a particular reason. It's just
Speaker 1: something that when you come from a minority perspective, I
Speaker 1: think it's always going to be in your line. Whether
Speaker 1: that's up fair for us or not, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's just isn't And like, so I
Speaker 1: do want to talk about, of course Glow because that
Speaker 1: actually what you just said when I was watching it,
Speaker 1: you know, that show really of course it depicts a
Speaker 1: certain time period, but it has certainly a take on
Speaker 1: the way minorities are presented in the world of ladies wrestling.
Speaker 1: Can you speak a little bit to that, Like what
Speaker 1: is that like and like because it's really it's very
Speaker 1: edgy and it's it's really it's really interesting to watch
Speaker 1: and it has such a sense of humor about itself.
Speaker 1: But especially today when everyone has an opinion about everything,
Speaker 1: I'm watching and thinking what are people going to think
Speaker 1: of this? It just charges into it, like I think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like that party scene where I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'm specifically talking about when they filmed you
Speaker 1: guys on the camera and they were asking you to
Speaker 1: do like the ultimate stereotype and like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: for me, that was like so intense. I was losing
Speaker 1: my ship. Yeah. And there were a lot of conversations
Speaker 1: with the writers who were um Liz and Carly Leslie
Speaker 1: Have Carly Mench who were so receptive to our thoughts
Speaker 1: like making sure everyone had a dimensional story, but that
Speaker 1: it's like it's about these labels. It's about like just
Speaker 1: setting that up first and then we'll you know, unpacked that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that it's like it is that's the whole point
Speaker 1: of it, Like how people are things are put upon
Speaker 1: people and this is like the most extreme version of that.
Speaker 1: But it was like I've never felt I was having
Speaker 1: a really really hard time, I mean talking with them.
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring more of like this meta thing,
Speaker 1: this actual conflict into the ark, and we talked about
Speaker 1: it and we had we did have it in there,
Speaker 1: but it all actually got cut and it just sort
Speaker 1: of I don't want to spoil it, but it's sort
Speaker 1: of just is paired down to like that major moment
Speaker 1: in the last episode. So I hope we can have
Speaker 1: that conversation in further in like other seasons, But that
Speaker 1: particular moment I never felt more out of my body
Speaker 1: and like, oh my god, I'm this is minstrel scene.
Speaker 1: Like I was just like this is I am? This
Speaker 1: is crazy And the moment of like um taking the gun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we did different like different reactions for me to
Speaker 1: like how okay are you with this? How aware of
Speaker 1: this situation are you? Like it's a lot too to
Speaker 1: do in like a small moment like a character's level
Speaker 1: of intelligence and where they're like where their heart is
Speaker 1: and then just like is this a funny moment or
Speaker 1: is this not a funny moment? And a lot of
Speaker 1: the takes, like in the party too, we would do
Speaker 1: certain lines where it's like is this trum is this
Speaker 1: like a comedic moment or a dramatic moment, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy that we did both take and no
Speaker 1: it would just be like one or the other, but
Speaker 1: just like not where the land totally. They just wanted
Speaker 1: to get their coverage and like yeah, and ultimately, like
Speaker 1: watching that episode, it's so much lighter than it felt,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's funny and all the girls are
Speaker 1: in that situation. It's like we really were each struggling
Speaker 1: with like how to do this as an actor and
Speaker 1: be like a dimensional person not perpetuating things but like
Speaker 1: putting it out there so weakd debunk them and it
Speaker 1: was it was a super supportive, fluid set. Like we
Speaker 1: were talking all the time about like is this I mean,
Speaker 1: we're working in like a mostly female environment, but like
Speaker 1: also challenging, like well just because it's female, is it
Speaker 1: just is it the same thing? Isn't like the same
Speaker 1: power structure and the same sense of like I can't
Speaker 1: speak my mind. It's like one less variable. It's like,
Speaker 1: well if everybody is a woman, than that can't be
Speaker 1: what the thing is? Something else? Yeah, Yeah, it was fascinating.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of everyone, Like it's so good. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it comes off so much funnier even to
Speaker 1: see it in a detached way, it's like, that's really funny.
Speaker 1: Like Kia Stevens who plays tim A, and when we're
Speaker 1: at the party scene and he's like and you bash,
Speaker 1: Crystal says you you're and you're a big black girl,
Speaker 1: and she's like, what the funk you say? It's so perfect.
Speaker 1: It's so funny actually, or like it kind of lightens
Speaker 1: the mood. But doing sorry, doing that scene over, we
Speaker 1: were just like, is this funny? It feels bad. It
Speaker 1: feels bad you're doing it. But I think I think
Speaker 1: it succeeds as a scene just tackling this very charged thing,
Speaker 1: but sort of seem like a relevant to the plot,
Speaker 1: be like this is an inflection for all these girls,
Speaker 1: like oh, like you have to sort of change your
Speaker 1: presentation based on public the public's perception and see it's
Speaker 1: it's light. I mean, I thought, I thought, I thought
Speaker 1: it works. It's also a period piece, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And those discussions weren't being had. I was
Speaker 1: actually even surprised when um Welfare Queen gets that moment
Speaker 1: where she says, you know this is offensive, because I don't.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe that is like um, giving even
Speaker 1: that character a little bit too much credit because you know,
Speaker 1: that wasn't a thing that people said, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm still glad. It's so glad it happened,
Speaker 1: and I was like, but and it's just like it
Speaker 1: makes you think even more. It's like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: not every character has this opportunity to call this out.
Speaker 1: And that's like the crazy thing about it being a
Speaker 1: period piece is that it is so closely parallel to
Speaker 1: what is going on right right now wrestling even more
Speaker 1: or so with our dumass president. But the the moments
Speaker 1: where we have to spell it out and that party
Speaker 1: scene and in with like that scene with them tam
Speaker 1: A and Mark where it's like, yes, this is the
Speaker 1: way the world sees you and that's why I'm saying this.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, are you talking about stereotypes?
Speaker 1: Like it seems really silly to have to do that almost,
Speaker 1: but it's like we're we have not moved, Like we
Speaker 1: haven't moved as much as we thought we have. It's
Speaker 1: it's like it's a very very powerful show in that way,
Speaker 1: and it's entertaining, which is I'm really enjoying smart. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on episode nine, so i still have some
Speaker 1: some ways to go, and I'm really enjoying it. It's
Speaker 1: so much different than I thought it would be, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I really thought I thought watching
Speaker 1: it from the outside, I was like, Oh, they're gonna
Speaker 1: jump right in, this is going to be a show
Speaker 1: that is glow, you know. But it's it's so much
Speaker 1: about the process of getting there, and I'm really enjoying,
Speaker 1: Like it's really it's it's the show. It reminds me
Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, shows like Madmen, where
Speaker 1: you're really sitting with the characters, so now when you're
Speaker 1: getting towards the end of the season, you really know
Speaker 1: them so well. I think it's really well done in
Speaker 1: that way. So and oh my god, these actresses are incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm such a fan of Alison Brie forever. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love her and so talented. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: fucking Betty Gilt. Let me tell you she's she's something else.
Speaker 1: She's incredible, She's raging, she is so fierce. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: can do anything, she can do everything. Like the littlest
Speaker 1: thing that she does is like opens up this whole
Speaker 1: world of a person. Yeah, And um, I can't believe that.
Speaker 1: I'm like constantly off the fact that she can continually
Speaker 1: do that and try something new or try like just
Speaker 1: volume change, you know, all these things that you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's exactly. It was the scene in the
Speaker 1: pilot where at the end, at the end, now watching it,
Speaker 1: you could think to yourself, like, this is a little
Speaker 1: bit of a jump, like this character is gonna come
Speaker 1: into this gym start a public fight with her friend.
Speaker 1: They're all going to air this out. It's tough. It's
Speaker 1: a tough scene to execute, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's very it's a very pilot e scene and that
Speaker 1: we have to start the action. And but you buy
Speaker 1: it because she's so stunning and Alison Breeze reception of
Speaker 1: her behavior was so fantastic. And I did listen to
Speaker 1: their Mark Marin interview and I heard that that was
Speaker 1: their audition scene. Yeah, and that they actually were uh
Speaker 1: screen tested together for a chemistry test on that scene.
Speaker 1: Like they flew them both up to Canada apparently, and
Speaker 1: the casting director wasn't even their Jen Houston wasn't even there.
Speaker 1: She like hired somebody to watch them and put them
Speaker 1: on tape, but that they did that scene and they
Speaker 1: have this connection to that scene, and that really reads.
Speaker 1: I think that scene is so huge. And then the
Speaker 1: cut to like I guess the future or the dream
Speaker 1: sequence where they're so amazing. I just thought that was
Speaker 1: such a tough scene to pull off and and they
Speaker 1: really did. And I was like, this is a special thing,
Speaker 1: and this actress is fantastic. I say, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: her so much because I know Alice, I know Alison
Speaker 1: Brad's work, and I know how amazing she is. She's
Speaker 1: just kicking ass to me watching her do that scene
Speaker 1: over and over coming in with a baby and like
Speaker 1: streaming tears, good fierceness and like changing like she goes
Speaker 1: through so many levels and like to buy that she
Speaker 1: actually wants to kick her ass. Is You're right? It's
Speaker 1: like so hard to pull off, and it was thrilling.
Speaker 1: We were all like truly riveted. It was riveted you
Speaker 1: watched that. But I watched that back like three or
Speaker 1: four times just I was like, you know what, let
Speaker 1: me go back to the first episode, fast forward to
Speaker 1: the end, because it really is incredible. Oh you know what,
Speaker 1: I'll say, we watch of hers is um when she's
Speaker 1: explaining to the guy like what Liberty Bell, Like what
Speaker 1: Liberty Bell is? And she's like, yes, it's such amazing.
Speaker 1: She's so funny. Physical stuff is amazing. What a great
Speaker 1: physical actress. And she wrote to me she wrote something
Speaker 1: for Cosmo, I want to say the magazine about her
Speaker 1: body image, you know, journey and it's got so funny,
Speaker 1: so endearing and charming and just really real. And she
Speaker 1: really opened up into God, like what a star. Anyway,
Speaker 1: you guys are all so good. Honored to work alongside them.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe him all in the show. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know what, It's so amazing to see you on it.
Speaker 1: It's it's so fun Like I really and I can't
Speaker 1: wait for you know, more seasons because I can't wait
Speaker 1: to get to know your character better. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see where it goes, and hopefully
Speaker 1: there will be like I don't know, we can deal
Speaker 1: with them at a reality of it, You're gonna get there.
Speaker 1: And it's just and you were talking about in these
Speaker 1: conversations with the writers, and it's just you know, as
Speaker 1: as challenging as that inherently as you know, it's such
Speaker 1: a great opportunity that you're even having those conversations and like,
Speaker 1: that's that's the dream. It's like we're able to build
Speaker 1: this together. And um, it's so exciting and no, I
Speaker 1: mean what I say, it's like you are just really, really,
Speaker 1: really fucking great to want to need to really and
Speaker 1: I am so I really thank you. It's great. I mean,
Speaker 1: you are you're you are your your spectacular. I fucking
Speaker 1: I just well, you know what scene I love when
Speaker 1: the hot pizza boy comes over pizza boys. I wanted
Speaker 1: to I wanted to offer to see more, if you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I want to see sexual with him.
Speaker 1: I want to see it. Oh my god. Season two, Yes,
Speaker 1: pizza Dick and your whole and the way you were
Speaker 1: acting and that's in those scenes were which is great.
Speaker 1: I got my I roll. But it was such a
Speaker 1: good comedic value. What was the line? It was like
Speaker 1: it's like it's like, well there's there's his number, and
Speaker 1: she's like that. Yeah. Yeah, I loved it. Truly felt
Speaker 1: like we conjured the women of the eighties though too. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean we've we have moved on to lighter moments,
Speaker 1: but with those testimonials, like with those personality things where
Speaker 1: you're in the situation that a woman was in to
Speaker 1: be this like crazy exaggerated stereotype to make like commentary
Speaker 1: on it, but you still have to do it. It's
Speaker 1: like it was. It truly was like Mother's of Night
Speaker 1: five and then and then before that and before that
Speaker 1: and before that. It's like a really expansive show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean with all the women, the fourteen women,
Speaker 1: like there's just so much to pull from. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're yeah, but it's really fun to just also
Speaker 1: be the in the eighties trope. Yeah, the ham meanness
Speaker 1: of it for me anyway, Like I love I love it.
Speaker 1: You gotta love an eighties custom. But the music to
Speaker 1: the music is just like, yes, this is the perfect
Speaker 1: thing for this moment. What I love about it it
Speaker 1: seems like it seems like it's always, um, the sun
Speaker 1: is always setting in the show. Sure, I feel like
Speaker 1: that's like the aesthetic is so like it's always I
Speaker 1: feel like that that's happening a lot. Like there's like
Speaker 1: it's like it's very cool, like neon lights setting. I'm
Speaker 1: I really love the aesthetic because like you've been through
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, because it's all like the exterior stuff
Speaker 1: is always like parking lot, parking lot things where it's
Speaker 1: like the parking lot realness, girl, there is a lot
Speaker 1: of parking lots in the show. You know, Matt's wagging
Speaker 1: his finger like he's really I really discovered the critique.
Speaker 1: I want more parking lots. Put up a parking lot there.
Speaker 1: There there is some meaning to that setting where it's
Speaker 1: like it's somewhere where people it's a repository for people's cars.
Speaker 1: You know what, we can get real art. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get real film school about this. Yeah, what does the
Speaker 1: parking lots mean? And glow mean? And glow what does
Speaker 1: it mean? Space? It ultimately tells a queer narrative. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, and I and definitely yea. I will write
Speaker 1: a treatise on this later, but before we get to
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, we have not forgotten about
Speaker 1: these users submitted rules of culture. Let's let's just let's
Speaker 1: just read out the one that we love right now.
Speaker 1: I'm that now our users are sorry, are you know?
Speaker 1: Listeners are submitting rules of culture and we're we're we're
Speaker 1: inviting some into the campus. So this is today's rule
Speaker 1: from Janey Store, who is a host of the new
Speaker 1: Forever Dog podcast Relatively Healthy sister Dr Ellen Stoler. This
Speaker 1: is really cool. Yeah, it's a doctor and a comedian
Speaker 1: fielding issues. There are two different takes on issues and
Speaker 1: their sisters. So many hooks, so many hooks, and there's
Speaker 1: a hotline you can call um X. I believe um right, okay,
Speaker 1: HPJ hot producer Joe my correct me. Check it out
Speaker 1: forever dot forever dot. But look it up. Okay, So
Speaker 1: this is rule it up. It's not fun responsibility Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: do we already set enup? Alright, Janey relaxed From Jennie
Speaker 1: Stole our rule number two. Multiple people's heads peeking in
Speaker 1: from a door frame must be arranged from oldest bottom
Speaker 1: to youngest top, which is a great rule. I love it.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard to get the younger ones on top, though,
Speaker 1: because they're actually not the tallest one. Right, challenge, right,
Speaker 1: that's really hard, Janney, But you know, for culture's sake,
Speaker 1: we're going to try to do it. Yeah, well we'll
Speaker 1: we'll do it from now on. That's the role youngest,
Speaker 1: youngest at the top, oldest at the bottom. Maybe if
Speaker 1: it's like baby beyord. You have to like put the
Speaker 1: kid on your back in like a sack. There you
Speaker 1: go to help it out. If the nurture maybe they're
Speaker 1: they're on each other's backs, right, So what you don't
Speaker 1: say is the fact that they're on each other's back
Speaker 1: like a pyramid. And because the youngest one is probably
Speaker 1: the lightest. But of course we don't want to make
Speaker 1: any assumptions about the weight of the child that one
Speaker 1: or they don't know. She could very well just be ahead,
Speaker 1: and you know what, that's fine if you identify as
Speaker 1: just ahead, go forth, go forth. Let's move on to
Speaker 1: I don't Think so honey. Yes, now, um, listeners may
Speaker 1: be familiar with this segment. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: It is our one minute to come for culture that
Speaker 1: we are not feeling right now. And of course I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Live on August eleven, featuring City,
Speaker 1: the Money, So and forty nine other comics. This will
Speaker 1: be your second one. You'll be the only person on
Speaker 1: stage with that history. Yes, well, yeah, okay, from Raffle
Speaker 1: Winner to Lifegiver. There you go, Winter to Lifegiver. Um,
Speaker 1: this is going to bring some people in, Yeah, I think, Oh,
Speaker 1: for sure, I do. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't believe that I have to even
Speaker 1: say this. It's one of those I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna have to do it. But
Speaker 1: I think through your saying it, it will have been
Speaker 1: even more underlined. And Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People who
Speaker 1: don't flush the toilet because they peed and it's just
Speaker 1: p and they're trying to quote save water. No, bitch,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I don't care if al
Speaker 1: Gore himself came to me and said you could save
Speaker 1: the planet by flushing, but by by keeping your p
Speaker 1: in this toilet. No, it is not acceptable to do this.
Speaker 1: It is p it is unseemly, it's smell. Else, it
Speaker 1: does stay in the bowl you have. You haven't got
Speaker 1: to be kidding me. It is not respectful for you
Speaker 1: to walk out of the bathroom. I go in and
Speaker 1: there's pissing the bowl. I will next time I see
Speaker 1: this go to you would say, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: get back here and flushing. I will publicly shame you.
Speaker 1: I will shout it to high Heaven and I will
Speaker 1: come for you. Do not. This is unacceptable. If you're pooping,
Speaker 1: you're flushing. If you're peeing, you're flushing. You're flushing. Period.
Speaker 1: If you see anything in the bowl, flush, oh wow,
Speaker 1: clean after yourself. I'm done. I work in an establishment.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say which one. I have several jobs,
Speaker 1: but there's one where the clientele I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is about this place. They don't flush, and it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I care about the environment. It sounds like that. One's tough. No,
Speaker 1: you don't do you do this, you keep the pea
Speaker 1: in the bowl. It depends on what time of day
Speaker 1: and the pungent sea, and it depends on the culture,
Speaker 1: because I think I think they do this a lot
Speaker 1: in China and in Europe, where there's I don't believe
Speaker 1: a lot of population strain on resources. So, Matt, you
Speaker 1: really have to think about that. Then I refuse to
Speaker 1: think about culture here, alright. I will not be culturally
Speaker 1: so to this. No, you have to flush your pea
Speaker 1: unless you are so well hydrated that you can make
Speaker 1: it a secret. Okay, But if your pa is bright yellow,
Speaker 1: a you need to drink more water and be you
Speaker 1: better be flushing if you have. I'm a real pee yellow.
Speaker 1: It goes down, it goes down, it goes down the door.
Speaker 1: They okay, um, oh gosh, this is gonna be one
Speaker 1: of those really um last minute ones. Okay, on brand
Speaker 1: from Bowen, but those have such a hit or miss
Speaker 1: success rate. But let's go. This is bonyang. Wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: last minute. I don't think so, honey. And here he
Speaker 1: is already grabbing his temple, honey, trying to himself. Up
Speaker 1: here we go, bo. I don't think so many time
Speaker 1: starts now, I don't think so, honey, people who go
Speaker 1: to Shian famous foods and don't know their order right
Speaker 1: at the top. I go in there with a mission.
Speaker 1: I know what I want. I want the stewed pork noodles,
Speaker 1: and I want the ground pork burger, and I want
Speaker 1: a fucking chrysanthemum jasmine iced tea. Bitch. I don't think
Speaker 1: so many people. You fucking you think you're so cultured
Speaker 1: going to some Southern Chinese casual fast food establishment and
Speaker 1: taking your sweet goddamn time. It's fast casual, honey, look
Speaker 1: at the board, take your time, but step out of
Speaker 1: my way while I go up to the register that
Speaker 1: I know by name. Hi, they're Dong. I love you
Speaker 1: so much. He knows my order every time I go.
Speaker 1: It's the one in Chinatown. They just got a new mural.
Speaker 1: It's gorgeous. Go. I don't think so, honey, you customers,
Speaker 1: so look online, get your bearings, find your footing with
Speaker 1: the orders, bitch, and know what you're going to say
Speaker 1: at the cashier, and don't hold up the space for
Speaker 1: me five seconds. I don't think so, honey. You Chinese
Speaker 1: sweet isn't for everyone. Maybe it's just for us. What ship?
Speaker 1: That was stunning, girl, I you know what, We're starting
Speaker 1: a lot of controversies in this in this episode. My gosh,
Speaker 1: I love them. That was that was very good. And
Speaker 1: can I say, Chris Jasmine I think coming to the stage,
Speaker 1: Chris Tathom Jasmine Flowers, bitch, two different flowers. I think
Speaker 1: you said, Jennifer Flowers. Flowers. Of course we remember her
Speaker 1: a huge part of part of culture. Jennifer Flowers. It's
Speaker 1: times you need to now I do want to, of course,
Speaker 1: of course you do what do you truly? And I
Speaker 1: just will be your second of three think back on
Speaker 1: when you were called on to the stage at the
Speaker 1: last time. I don't think so, honey, live and it
Speaker 1: just came to you, just had it. This is kind
Speaker 1: of I guess so kind of happened recently. It's only
Speaker 1: just the moment. Please. The way that you are doing
Speaker 1: this with your hand makes me feel like it's going
Speaker 1: to be quite good because already come with the who
Speaker 1: it's coming through. Here we go. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Man in
Speaker 1: a kango hat hailing me on my bike as a taxi,
Speaker 1: who do you think? I am? Oh? You want my attention, obviously,
Speaker 1: but what reality are you living in? Where you can
Speaker 1: get I'm going to stop and you're going to ride
Speaker 1: on the back of my bike so I can take
Speaker 1: you where. You must remember when a woman is on
Speaker 1: her bike, think of it. She is her glitterance, it's
Speaker 1: pressed into this seat. Stimulate. She is on a mission.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have time, she is on top. Bitch. Man
Speaker 1: in kangle hat, call an at call a cab, caught
Speaker 1: lift whatever, bitch. I don't think so, Honey's wow, that's shocking.
Speaker 1: What happened? What just happened. It was so good. Let's men,
Speaker 1: no more kangle hat, no man, no more men. Honestly,
Speaker 1: no more men. I've done out, replace all the men
Speaker 1: with bikes. Yeah, you can't even spill water. My place
Speaker 1: is soaking wet. I'm so I can't believe that happened,
Speaker 1: so honestly dangerous. It's so distracting where I'm like, huh
Speaker 1: what And then who knows car hit me? Could? Honestly
Speaker 1: and what is he like making sound? Yes, he's like
Speaker 1: making a scene. Oh my god. This nation is corrupt.
Speaker 1: Cross streets? Do we know? Can we can we get
Speaker 1: cross streets? This is parks? I don't think so many parks.
Speaker 1: In fact, I've come. I've come for South Brooklyn on
Speaker 1: this very podcast, and thank you so much for solidifying
Speaker 1: what garbage it is. No, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: South Brooklyn overrated trash. If you're south of Flatbush, get out,
Speaker 1: but park. But you know what good thing? Because they
Speaker 1: need you there because if you weren't there, I would
Speaker 1: print it to the ground. But you're the only thing
Speaker 1: that keeps me from regional arson. Save your oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Rule number twelve of culture. I love
Speaker 1: this episode was fabulous. Thank you so much. I don't
Speaker 1: want it to end either. I honestly, I think I
Speaker 1: will say this this. I mean, we we've had great
Speaker 1: conversations in the past. This was a meaty one about
Speaker 1: Juicy the craft bitch and look you listen to so
Speaker 1: need to talk at length about acting, even though she
Speaker 1: says she's she's just recently gone into it, but she
Speaker 1: she's getting used to the camera. Really, the fact that
Speaker 1: it is in the room what it doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 1: but you the way you're able to speak about it
Speaker 1: is what you speak about with such maturity and grace
Speaker 1: and Oscar winner, Oscar winner, Sony Toman Academy Award winner.
Speaker 1: I mean, who's yeah, yeah award SAG Award. Honestly, watch
Speaker 1: watch who knows honestly were that big ocast? Okay, that's
Speaker 1: a big cast. And you know they lemonade, no nominade
Speaker 1: and they'll give up four Wow, that's a guy to
Speaker 1: think about the fourteen SAG Awards. Honey, I tn B
Speaker 1: wins every Dude Day they do when all the dude
Speaker 1: Day ensemble in town. There's a new Netflix ensemble and
Speaker 1: get out of here, Uzo and oh my god so
Speaker 1: Leta Laverne Cox, buye Natash, buying Natash, catch snowy bing
Speaker 1: bongs at the Brooklyn Comedy Festival at night Haunk August
Speaker 1: twenty two. I will be there. I'm so excited and
Speaker 1: watch Glow, the new head show we love. And HPJ
Speaker 1: has to get the funk out of here. He has
Speaker 1: to go spill water all around town. So guys, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. We love you. I've been bowing Yang
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers, I think and I think that's Sunita. Farewell,
Speaker 1: Farewell by. This has been a Forever Dog production executive
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