1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Well, if you love the first thirty two picks, the 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: intrigue in the action that we saw a Night one 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft, how about doubling that up with 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: seventy four picks on Night two of the NFL Draft. 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: Rounds two and three are now in the books. As 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: we welcome you to the Move the Sticks Podcast presented 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: by FedEx. What's going on? Everybody? I am Rehett lewis 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: here with my guys Bucky Brooks and Lance desser Line, 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: joining the late night party here tonight as we put 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: a bow on rounds two and three. Uh, fellas, how 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: did you guys take in what was a pretty fun 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: couple a couple of rounds here, and we saw things 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: started to get a bucky a little a little bit 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: more fast and furious as we dropped the time between 15 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: picks and Commissioner Roger Goodell just trying to keep up 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: with announcing all these things. He's usually he's usually done 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: after round one. You know. Yeah, it was a fascinating night. 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: It was a fascinating night because, um, I'm just very 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: very impressed with the execution of this in the verse 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: with draft, and I know it can be challenging because 21 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: when you get to day two and really in day three, 22 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: this is when the the general manager, the directors, they're 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: really lean on the area guys, and so I just 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: wonder how the decision makers are kind of taking in 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: all that information that they're supposed to get from uh, 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: some of the lower ranking scouts, but but taking that 27 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: in while on a really really short clock and because 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: it's so different than being in the room. Um, I'm 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: really really impressed with the way that everyone is being 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: able to manage the situation and make these picks. And 31 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of teams, they haven't been major surprises. Um, 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of surprised at how everything is 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: kind of played out. Yeah, I think, um, you know, 34 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: and why In terms of watching it unfold, and I 35 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: talked about it on my sports talk radio show, I 36 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: actually thought it came off really well relative to what's 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: going on. And I think the imperfectness of that's a word, 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: the perfectness of the the actual broadcast itself. It's it's topical, 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: it's it's real. I mean, it's really absolutely and I 40 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: think watching the commissioner go into full you know, reclined mode, 41 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: that's real. That's who's buttoned up. I'm wearing shorts right now, 42 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: DJ War shorts on the broadcast. Things are just it's 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: a different time for right now. We'll get back to 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: the suit. Sen A tizes. But I really think the 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: broadcast and what it ultimately did, was we got the 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: picks through. People had their cameras, the different you know, 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: players had cameras and coaches had cameras, and gms had cameras. 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't always perfect from a broadcast standpoint, never was 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: it going to be. But I also think that added 50 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: a little more um flavor. It added a little more grit, 51 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: and that's what we're dealing with anyway, and I think 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: that you have to have the grit for what you're 53 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: going through right now. And I just thought it all 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: really just came together and made a lot of sense. 55 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: I was happy with it. At least have another day 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: to go. But I thought it was you know, I 57 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: really I like what I've seen so far. Yeah, and 58 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: I know I can I can speak for probably all 59 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: of us here as fathers in the room. How cool 60 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: was it to see the hugs all night long, both 61 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: both tonight and last night as well? You know, I 62 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: think it humanizes these guys that were often too quick 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: to criticize. And and you know, these gms and these 64 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: coaches were getting to draft from their homes with their families, 65 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: present UM an opportunity to celebrate with them in a 66 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: time where they've spent more time with their families than 67 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: they ever have in their entire careers, especially this time. 68 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: And and I think this celebration there, with the hugs 69 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: from the family, show you just how much goes into 70 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: each pick and each prospect and the evaluation of it. 71 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: And I think sometimes we lose sight of that. But man, 72 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: was that powerful to me just to see so much 73 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: of that um and if so. Of course, there were 74 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: the moments of levity too, you know, with Belichick's dog 75 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: and and and the dogs that appeared all night and 76 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: whatever the heck was going on in in Vrabel's draft room. 77 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: I mean that stuff, man, that made it for me. Yeah, 78 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: it's been it's been an interesting thing to kind of 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: watch it. Like the human side of all of it 80 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: has been fantastic. And I do wonder when all of 81 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: this is done and the world goes back to whatever 82 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: normal it will go back to. I do wonder, now 83 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: that we've seen it differently now that workers have seen 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of like a different work life balance and we've 85 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: seen the draft executed like this or whatever, I wonder 86 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: what kind of impact it would have because it's been 87 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: refreshing to me to see a more inclusive process where 88 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: you've seen the families and the kids and everyone kind 89 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: of around. Um. Because but but make no mistake that 90 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: they live and die with these picks, just like the 91 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: g ms and the coaches. Do you know those picks 92 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: don't starting, they don't work out, and you know, it's 93 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: a new city, it's a new school, it's a new home. 94 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: So again, I just thought that was that that part 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: of it was really really interesting to me. So, um, 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: all right with that, let's kick off what we saw 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: here tonight on rounds two and three. Um, really fun 98 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: round round one and so now we we kind of 99 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: had a lot of players with first round grades maybe 100 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: that were available here on Night two, or players at 101 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: least that we had expected to hear their name called 102 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,559 Speaker 1: maybe at the tail end of round one that didn't. 103 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: And we're available, and we let it off with Tee 104 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: Higgins Bucky from Clemson going to the Cincinnati Bengals with 105 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: the first pick of night too. But what was your 106 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: favorite pick here? Give me two or three guys that 107 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: you really loved here rounds two and three. You know, 108 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm still a little bit of Lances stunting because I 109 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: know he is deeply entrenched with the Indianapolis Skulls based 110 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: on his relationship with Chris Ballot. But I love what 111 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Coasts are doing, particularly on offense. I think 112 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: the Coast realized that, and we've talked about this ratt 113 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: and Lands. We've talked about you have to build your 114 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: team to win a division. Well, the team that won 115 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: a division and the teams that went to the playoffs 116 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: last year, uh, the Tennessee Titans. They were broad street bullies. 117 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: They beat up everybody and they physically mash people. And 118 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: I think it was kind of like a a realization 119 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: of the international schools that for us to win, we 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: have to be able to cram the ball down people's throat. 121 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: We have to have a roster full of tough guys. 122 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: And so when you go and you get a Michael 123 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: Pittman as a guy who I think will eventually be 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: their number one receiver and time, tough, physical does a 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: great job doing the dirty work over the middle. Then 126 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: you come back and you add a Jonathan Taylor. Um, 127 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: you have changed kind of the tenor of that offense. 128 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: And so even though we see the Colts and we've 129 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: heard Frank right talk about like we've gotta be able 130 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: to run into or whatever, it's still something about seeing 131 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: the horse shoe where you still envision them being a 132 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: finesse team, where they're not going to play like a 133 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: finesse team any long, and these two guys are gonna 134 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: help them, uh kind of change their style. Yeah. I 135 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: had a chance to sit down with Michael Pittman. Uh, 136 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: I guess a week or two ago. It's a week 137 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: ago time. There's no sense of time for me anymore. 138 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: But I was really impressed, and I had a lot 139 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: of great compliments from people who listened to the interview 140 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: that that that I apparently people listen to this podcast. 141 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: But that's that's one of the things I'm finding out is, yeah, 142 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: it seems to be some listens. Yeah, imagine that. But no, 143 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: we uh, we had a great talk. And you know, 144 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: I talked about having a father who played in the league, 145 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: because obviously it's not always a lot, it's not always 146 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: a lock sin ship. A guy who had a dad 147 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: who played in any league is gonna necessarily be that guy. 148 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: But for someone like Michael Pittman, you can tell that 149 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: this is what he does. He's a football player. I'm 150 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: not saying that's all he is. But what I'm saying 151 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: is it matters to him. Getting better matters to him. 152 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: He did it last year in the offseason, and I 153 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: asked about if that started with his dad, and he 154 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: said absolutely. I mean, that's where it started. Is you 155 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: see it and then you emulate it, and then you know. 156 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: I was also impressed with the fact that I asked 157 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: him about Juju Smith Schuster because I knew they probably 158 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: overlapped by a year, and he said that was a 159 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: guy he emulated. That's who he wanted to play like. 160 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: And when you see his game you can see some 161 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: of that. You can see some similarities, especially when they 162 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: get down the field and their ability to go win 163 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: the ball when it's up in the air. You absolutely 164 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: see some of that. So I'm with you. That was 165 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: a pick I really liked. I also really I love 166 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift And I know this is an easy one, 167 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: this is low hanging fruit, but Detroit is a team 168 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: that really has just not been a running team since 169 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Barry Sanders. We know that they've got a long history 170 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: of that. And this is a guy with the low odometer, 171 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: low mileage on theodometer. He can play all three downs. 172 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: And I just think that DeAndre Swift sees the field 173 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: so well that he sets up He is the best. 174 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: And I thought he was the best in this draft 175 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: at running back and then number two, the best at 176 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: setting up tacklers in the open field because you never 177 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: he didn't have any tells at the poker table. You 178 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: didn't know when he was gonna snap a foot in 179 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: the ground and then bang, snap you off there on 180 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: the you know, and and cut across your face. And 181 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: so I think he's really going to add a new 182 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: element to Detroit. Whether it's with Matt Patricia long term 183 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 1: or whether it's not, we'll find out. Another pick that 184 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: I really liked um out of the second round was 185 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: Gerald Taylor to Seattle. Because this is a Seattle pick. 186 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: I knew this is who they liked. I knew it, 187 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: knew it, knew it because when you watch him, you know, 188 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: had his Bucky. There's certain teams like you know, there's 189 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: certain Patriots like the Big hulk smash linebackers like a 190 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 1: Landing Roberts, and they'll probably draft Marcus Bailey tomorrow. I 191 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: Jason Strowbridge is gonna be on their board because he 192 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: looks yeah exactly. And but but Seattle has a type two. 193 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: And Darryl Taylor is that type where he's got that 194 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: twitchy get off. He's very, very strong, He's got great 195 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: physical traits. And when I watched him, I could see 196 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: some similarities to Frank Clark on tape. Only I thought 197 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: he had five star traits and kind of three star 198 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: skill and so he's gotta get it coached up. But 199 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: I could see another Frank Clark type of situation, maybe 200 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: not to the same degree. But I liked the way 201 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: they maneuvered around the draft so they could get the 202 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: guy that they want. And John Schneider is one of 203 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: the best in the business of that guys. Those are 204 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: all great picks. Um you know, I think, uh I'd 205 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: like to give I guess you know, these picks were 206 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: some of my favorites in the couple of them came 207 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: from the same team and it was the Carolina Panthers. 208 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: I just I kind of loved what they what they've 209 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: been building here starting with Derek Brown last night, but 210 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: then building on that with you tour Grossmatos um or 211 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: Grossmatos depending on how you listen to the broadcast, which funny, 212 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: but the Panthers get you tour grossmntos there that even 213 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: have been from pinn State. Um, you know, a guy 214 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: we talked about in the framework of a first round 215 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 1: conversation at some point, and then they backed that up, 216 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: um by coming all the way back into the last 217 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: pick of the second round and getting a really fun player, 218 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: big physical safety slash kind of hybrid guy. And Jeremy 219 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: Chin from Southern Illinois. Of course we saw at the 220 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Um, you know, I thought that was they did. 221 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: Those are some of my favorite picks. UM. I really liked. 222 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: Let's see, I like Denzel MIM's going to the Jets. Uh, 223 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: they needed a playmaker there in New York. Van Jefferson 224 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: to the Rams. I think the Rams kind of sneakily 225 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: had a had a really good draft here after not 226 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: having a first round pick with Cam Akers Um the 227 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: running back from Florida State, and then also with Van Jefferson, Um, 228 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: a guy who I think DJ comped Van to Cooper 229 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Cup right, I think for him. He called Van Jefferson, Uh, 230 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: you reminded him a lot of Cooper Cup And so, um, 231 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: want to go back to your your Panthers comment and 232 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: Jeremy Chen. Last night, people gave them a hard time 233 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: because they bypassed Isaiah Simmons and they took Derek Brown. 234 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: And we've had this conversation on something being path through 235 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: the draft or read. You and I have had this 236 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,719 Speaker 1: conversation on the podcast where some people viewed Jeremy Chen 237 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: as the poor man's version of Isaiah Simmons. And so 238 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: to be able to get your big inside guy, to 239 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: get your pass rusher and your two gross models, and 240 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: then to come back and get a version a cousin 241 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: a kindred spirit of Isaiah Simmons, someone who has linebacker 242 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: size but as a safety with quarterback skill. I mean, 243 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: I think that's a I mean, I think it's a 244 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: remarkable way of putting it together. And Matt Rule, I 245 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: know it's his first time in the league, but man, 246 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: he has really done a really good job of rebuilding 247 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: this defense. That's what's crazy. Buck. So he had one 248 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: year with the Giants, and I'll tell you a little story. 249 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: I went up to I went up to go speak 250 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: to him, and his staff were me and a buddy 251 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: of mine who was with the Tampa at the time, 252 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: director of analytics. We we took a trip up there, 253 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: and I thought we were going to tell them about 254 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: some stuff we were doing. And I came away like, Wow, 255 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm not even at rules on a He's on a 256 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: different level. I was. I was blown away. And he's 257 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: a heighthweight, speed traits guy. He he had standards at Baylor, 258 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: his physical standards the same way Bucky you're familiar in scouting. 259 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: He all of that. They were basically evaluating talent with 260 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: an NFL type of mindset, and so I knew that 261 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: when he got to the NFL. UM I was incredibly 262 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: impressed watching him at Baylor. What he's been able to 263 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: do at Baylor. His demeanor is really really impressive. And 264 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: I know this is about the draft, but it starts 265 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: at the top, and it starts with the with the 266 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: power structure, and right now, for example, I think the 267 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: text and structure is no, it's not good. I'm very concerned. 268 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: As someone who lives here and does sports radio here, 269 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm not concerned. I'm very concerned with that structure. Then 270 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: you see the poise of a Matt of of of 271 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: a Matt Rule and a guy who has a very 272 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: and they both believe both organizations and height, weight, speed traits, 273 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: all that stuff. But Rule, you see it with Jeremy Chen, 274 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: you see it with Grossmato's Derek Brown was just you know, 275 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: you just make that pick. There's there's no doubt about that. 276 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: But he knows what he's doing and he knows what 277 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: he wants, and I think they're gonna really be successful 278 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: provided they get the quarterback right at some point. You 279 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: know what in Lance you brought up the Texans Um. 280 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: I do want to get into that just real quick, 281 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: because you know, I thought, on the surface, those picks 282 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: kind of made sense to me for Houston with Ross 283 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Blacklock and with Jonathan Greener in the third round, and 284 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: obviously with limited resources after trading away the first round 285 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: picks and a couple of seconds to kind of make 286 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: everything work with the with the trades that Bill O'Brien 287 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: has been making here, how do you feel like they 288 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: ended up with this Hall. I'm glad you asked me that, 289 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: because every day it's like a new nightmare on the 290 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: radio show. Every day is like Oh my gosh, Oh 291 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: my gosh. But I mean it's it's been unbelievable. Brandon 292 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: Cooks for what, he's got four concussions in two years? 293 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: Oh Kyle, what did they give for? But you know what, 294 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: I thought Bill O'Brien did a great job of the 295 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: draft last year along with Brian Gaine, and I like 296 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: what he did here. I mean, I'm I'm fair. I 297 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: am fair. If I don't like it, I don't like it, 298 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm honest. But I thought Ross Russ Black Ross black 299 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Clack was a good pick. He's where their defense though, 300 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Like so they they play a lot more even fronts. 301 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: They play a lot. They're in They're in there in 302 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: Nickel about sixty of the time. So they're like, yeah, defense, Like, 303 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: where where they gonna put him out? I couldn't figure 304 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: out who's gonna play? All right, he'll be He'll play 305 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: like an underspot. I mean he's They they play a 306 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: lot of even uh front and Anthony Weavers taking over. 307 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: So we'll see if things change with Anthony Weaver. I 308 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: know that there are people um around that organization that 309 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: are very, very excited about him getting this opportunity. But Blacklock, 310 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: they need some rush, and he can. That's the one 311 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: thing he can do now is he can get you 312 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: some rush. He's very tough to deal with because he's 313 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: got a crazy, ridiculous lateral slide where he can go 314 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: two gaps over. He can like, he can go from this, 315 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: he can go from one B gap all the way 316 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: to your opposite A gap. I mean he's doing some 317 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: basketball stuff with this great so I like that. And Greenward. 318 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: I like green I think Greenwerd solid. It's the kind 319 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: of guy you get the back end of the third. 320 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: But Um, from a fifth standpoint, Bucky, I'm not. I'm 321 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: not as worried because they just gotta get some talent 322 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: up front because I'm not sure how long J. J. 323 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Watt is gonna be playing. I mean, he's not gonna 324 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: play forever. And that cap number is getting a little 325 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: bit high from missing thirty two games the last four years. Yeah. Um, 326 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: And I'll just just run through a couple other picks 327 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: that that made sense to me. The Patriots trading back 328 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: into the bottom of the second, going to get josh 329 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: U j from Michigan, and I got a couple of 330 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: Michigan men there with the Chase Winovich last year, Um 331 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: and then, uh, you know, I thought Zach Bond going 332 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: to the Saints at seventy four after we talked about 333 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: him in the bottom of the first potentially, I know 334 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: the diluted tests that you know, probably had something to 335 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: do with it there, But man, that that felt like 336 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: a good spot, you know, for the Saints to go 337 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: up and get him. I also thought it was interesting 338 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: they came back into the bottom of the third to 339 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: get the tight end Adam Troutman from Dayton Um, a 340 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: guy I could have seen going ahead of ASIASI or 341 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: of Dalton Keene who ended up going in front of Troutman. 342 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: There they come in and get and get Troutman, second 343 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: to last pick of the third round. By the way, 344 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: the Saints have no picks remaining. They are done, they 345 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: have nothing left. Let's go, let's go go. I got 346 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: plans on Saturday. Guys, get out of here. I get out. Meanwhile, 347 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings have thirteen picks tomorrow, so that was 348 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: the team they traded with to get that that second 349 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: to last pick of the third Anyway, let's get back 350 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: to some surprising picks, because there are plenty of them here, 351 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: especially when grades differ as much as they can here, 352 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: especially on day two and three, Bucky. Any of those 353 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: picks that kind of had you scratching your head a 354 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: little bit here, whether it was fit or area in 355 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: range in which they were drafted. Well, I'm gonna do this, 356 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna dedicate this one 357 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: to Nobile, our producer, please um. A J. Dillon going 358 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: to the Green Bay Packers, I think on the surface, 359 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a surprise because in Green Bay 360 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: we typically don't see these kind of running backs show 361 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: up and play for the Packers. I mean, I'm going 362 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: back to my playing days, like when Dorsey, Levin Bennett 363 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: and those got we still didn't have like a banger 364 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: like a J. Dillon. And so stylistically A J. Dillon 365 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: doesn't strike um most of us as a pack of 366 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: running back. But then when you look at his game 367 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: and you see that he's a one cut runner, He's 368 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: a guy that gets downhill. Uh. You see the physicality, 369 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: the toughness, and then you think about the combine numbers 370 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: and explosivens and those things, and then you try and 371 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: match him up with the scheme that the Packers want 372 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: to run, which is a zone based scheme. They want 373 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: to kind of put him inside outside zone and do 374 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 1: those things. Um, you can begin to understand it. I 375 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: think where it gets skewed is is Matt la flour 376 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: Ever going to be able to run the scheme that 377 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: he wants with Aaron Rodgers as the quarterback. And I 378 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: don't know, Oh, I mean I've already said, like Aaron 379 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: Rodgers his own Notice, like Aaron Rodgers is about to 380 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: get Alex Smith. He's about to get He's about to 381 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: get Alex Smith. Where they're gonna move him out just 382 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: like well, just that's what Kansas City did. They had 383 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes, he served an apprentice, he started game seventeen 384 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: and then before you would in the off season he 385 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: was out. So I mean quarterback in the fourth round 386 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: to let him sit there for four years. He gets 387 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: a year or two and they were onto the next 388 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: he's thirty six. Yeah, I don't have any problem with 389 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: them drafting a quarterback in the future here, I really don't. Um, 390 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: And he's declining. He's account player. I think you know 391 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: what he is though, like so like his completion percentage 392 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: has gone down in each of the last three years 393 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: he's been injured in two of the past three years. 394 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: He had a broken collar bone. Didn't he had the 395 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: m CL team. He's thirty six, and for all of 396 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: the things that the Packers offense was able to do 397 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: and go into the championship game, they kind of want 398 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: in spite of their offense, as opposed to because of 399 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: their offense. And I know we kind of give like 400 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: the romanticized pass to the quarterback and he needs more weapons. 401 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: But at some point his play also hasn't been what 402 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: it is. I'm not saying he's what they need to 403 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: get rid of him, but I'm saying he's not what 404 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: he was, and they have to kind of change their 405 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: style to make sure they win it. Plus Matt Lafleur, 406 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean, let's face it, he came over from Tennessee. 407 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: He sees what works for them, and now you've got 408 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: a two and fifty pounds running back. Now he doesn't 409 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: run like a battering ram like uh, like Derrick Henry does. 410 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: That's not really agent. People think that's what they're they're 411 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: getting when they first start. That's not really what he 412 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: is or who he is. Necessarily, he is a freaky 413 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: athletic guy. His lean muscle numbers are like two twenty six, 414 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: like the numbers like a center would have. That's he's 415 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: just shripped. He shredded. It's unbelievable. But I uh, I 416 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: think at some point what Matt Lafleur and that in 417 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: that organization is basically doing is saying we're gonna start 418 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: building the offense. We're going to run. We're not gonna 419 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: We're not. This is not the Aaron Rodgers show anymore. 420 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: We're running the organization the way we need to to 421 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: get it ready to win in the future. Whether or 422 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: not you agree with it is another. But I respect it. 423 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: And by the way, how did how could you disrespect? 424 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: Shout out to Eddie Lacy. They had a banger and 425 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: now he'd like to be a little whirling Derbys. He 426 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: liked to be like Snacks, so he likes Pie. I 427 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: like Pie, Bucky. There's nothing wrong with the only reason 428 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: that you didn't notice, but the Great Rookie season, what 429 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: the groundkeepers did is they put honey buns every fifteen years, 430 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: were strategically placed throughout the field, and Lambeau and he 431 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: would go with That's why he got the thousand yards 432 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: and this after that, they didn't put the honey buns 433 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: out there, and before you know, when he was out 434 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: the league. That's what snacks to put him back out 435 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: there and put them back out and put them out 436 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: breaking the Bill's heart with every word that you're dropping here. 437 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: By the way, shout out to our are in Trepp 438 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: producer Nabil, who is editing this from his from his 439 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: bed tonight just past just just close to two a m. 440 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: Eastern time. Thankfully we're here on West coast time. Um 441 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: and Nebile has done a great job for us all 442 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: draft season here. But he does see the world with 443 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: cheese colored classes and says that Rogers will win a 444 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year. Sorry all right, sorry, win away 445 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: from playing in the Super Bowl. They did get an 446 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: h back today, So I thought that was nice they did. There. 447 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: You go with Daguira right from since then? Oh boy, 448 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: It's just they're just measurements, that's all they are. I 449 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: didn't say put honey buns on the ground for a guy. 450 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: I just went to the tape measure I like the guys, 451 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: by the way, scrappy block, what are some surprising picks 452 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: on your docket here tonight? Okay? So I couldn't figure 453 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: out the one that was surprising to me was kJ Hamler. 454 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and I like him. I think he's got 455 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: a chance to be really a really good player if 456 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: he can catch the football. He's got to be able 457 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: to catch a football much better than he did. But 458 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: when when you watch the highlights of him running, his 459 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 1: acceleration is different. It. He and Ruggs just look different 460 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: than everybody else in this entire draft, and that's really exciting. 461 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, he's a slot to me and Judy 462 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: is a slot to me. And I understand that you 463 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: can run, you know, you you can run them both 464 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: out there. I don't have a problem with that. But 465 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: I just did they forget that they've got Garrett Bawls 466 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: at left tackle? Is that? Like, did they just say, 467 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, we just went through the first two 468 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: days and totally forgot to get a tackle. I thought 469 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: a tackle was a lock. I I thought a tackle 470 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: on Day one or or two somewhere in there. There 471 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: way they had to They had to get somebody to 472 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: Now we could also see there's some tackles that might 473 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: be available coming up, so maybe there's something else. Yeah, 474 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: maybe there's something else to come. So I think that maybe, 475 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: so before I get too crazy as I think out 476 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: lout here, maybe there is a master plan at work 477 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: with with John Elway, because honestly, I thought they had 478 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: to find a tack one. They didn't. They added another 479 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: wide receiver and they kept getting players that weren't tackles. 480 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: So I thought that was a little since that was 481 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: a little surprising after I watched some Denver football last year. 482 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: I want to come back to you for another surprise 483 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: here in just a second. But I just want to 484 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: recap for the folks keeping track at home here on 485 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: the offensive skill positions. Now for the Denver Broncos, who 486 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: will trot out Courtland Sutton, a pro bowler in his 487 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: second season. Day Sean Hamilton's who has shown some flashes 488 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: and was drafted the same year. There's Courtland Sutton, right, 489 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: they route runner smooth dude there, and then this year 490 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: they come back and get Jerry Judy with their next pick, 491 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: they come back and get kJ Handler. Let's not forget 492 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: that just last year they drafted Noah Fan in the 493 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: first round. I mean, you got five players two years 494 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: of less experience that are going to be your main 495 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: rotation here with a second year quarterback coming in and 496 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: Drew Lock. To me, it sounds like John Elway is 497 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: desperate to miss on a quarterback again and and just 498 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: want to make sure that Drew Lock has absolutely no 499 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: reason not to succeed here, except for the fact that 500 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: that the left tackle situation that you might have mentioned 501 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: their Yeah, but that's why they're always bootleg and play 502 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: action away and in all the Yeah, they'll make sure 503 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: that they have all this stuff lined up. I kind 504 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: of like the kJ Hamdler Jerry Judy connection combination when 505 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: when you pair it up with Courtland Sutton, Uh, they 506 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: have a young cord that's gonna grow together. They have 507 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: a playmaker and route runner and Jerry Judy. You didn't 508 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: have the explosive stretch guy and kJ Hamdler and then 509 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: what you have in uh Courtland Sutton is the big 510 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: body guy. Um, you have no vant who was there 511 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: to be the tight end. I mean, they put some 512 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: weapons around you Lock. I understand the concern about left tackle, 513 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: but you're right, Trent Williams is out there. Maybe just 514 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: maybe they're able to kind of give up something to 515 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: uh solidify that that that blind side, So Lance any 516 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: other picks that jumped out to you here surprises. So 517 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised at so I remember back 518 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: and I think it was two thousand and eighteen when 519 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: John Gruden and Reggie um mackenzie were together, and it 520 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: was it was just it was a disjointed draft. They 521 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: had Nick Nelson who was coming off of a knee 522 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: injury that they like forty eight passes defense and zero interceptions. 523 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: It was something crazy like that. And then they had 524 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: Maurice Hearst that they picked in the fifth round who 525 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: had um an issue heart condition that there was concerned about. 526 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: There was just it was an unusual There was a 527 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: lot of chance taking the draft and Ard and Key, yeah, exactly, 528 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: thank you arden Key who had issues with UH A 529 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: lot of different issues at l s U. There's a 530 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: lot of things I like about the potential the Miami 531 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: Dolphins draft, but I gotta tell you, it is a 532 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: little unusual to look at all these names here. The 533 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: first pick to a we know about the injury stuff, 534 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: and he's probably clean bill of health if they took him, 535 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: but you know, there are still some concern about his durability. 536 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: Austin Jackson right now, he is a little bit of 537 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: um a developmental prospect. He needs to get stronger. He 538 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: needs more core physical core strength and functional strength. It's 539 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: just something he needs. Noah Igbaigin he is there. It 540 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: is Noah Igbangini. So he is a guy who is 541 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: a grab and and grab and and panic type of 542 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: player down the field. Now he's got a lot of traits, 543 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of potential, but he's not there yet. 544 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: So now you've got two guys in a row in 545 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: the first round who right now are in developmental mode. 546 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: Robert Hunt coming off of an injury, ray Kwon Davis 547 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: loads of talent but hasn't really shown up the last 548 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: two years like he's capable of playing. And so I 549 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: just I see a lot of upside. I mean, these 550 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: are guys with really high upsides but a little lower floors. 551 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: And so for all those picks, I think this could 552 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: either be a boom or bust draft because there's a 553 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: lot of talent here, but there's some floor issues with 554 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: this draft. Um for so many of these picks that 555 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: I see, which is a little bit unusual. I think 556 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: to have Jackson and Igmonogamy right back to back. Who 557 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, these guys need some work. They're not gonna 558 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: be ready yet. Yeah, I mean it's it's definitely interesting 559 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: to kind of see how everyone is is going about 560 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: their process and it Oftens certainly rolled the dice a 561 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: little bit with some of their picks, and they're trying 562 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: to hope that some of those guys hit and other 563 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: guys are taken up, like I would say, like a 564 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: more conservative slant. I think when I look at the 565 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's pick of a j Epinessa, I mean I 566 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: could have seen that coming a mile away. Like he 567 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: kind of fits the profile. He's a blue collar player. Uh, 568 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: the way he goes about his business with little to 569 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: no fanfare. Uh, it kind of works in that locker room. 570 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that we haven't talked about. 571 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: We talked about it on the show that we take previously, 572 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: but we haven't had the conversation about Jalen Hurst going 573 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: to the Philadelphia Eagles and what the Philadelphia Eagles are doing. 574 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: That was a surprise, h Uh. That was certainly a surprise, 575 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that they took Jalen Hurts in the 576 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: second round has to be surprising. When you have Carson 577 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: winsterre you have to be a contract and all those 578 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: other things. But I thought it was very telling with 579 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: Howie Roseman talking about we we are a quarterback factory. 580 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: We believe that we can develop and spit out quarterbacks 581 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: and those things. And he was too good for us 582 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: to pass up at that point of the draft. And 583 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: so I do wonder what the short and long term 584 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: plan is when it comes to Jalen Hursts. I know 585 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: you want to develop him, but what if he his 586 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: development exceeds what your initial expectations are, then what Yeah, well, 587 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: you'd rather you'd rather have that, like you'd rather have 588 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: a guy exceed them rather than not. I I looked 589 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: at this and I didn't see Look. I love his 590 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: ability to run the football. I think that is something 591 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: that is very very important when you made you made 592 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: a great point on the broadcast, Bucky that when you 593 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: look at the either your money set it when you 594 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: look at the quarterbacks, that we're taking every one of them, 595 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: every single one of them. Joe Burrow, Um, Jordan Love 596 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: justin herb. Everybody can escape. They can all escape, or 597 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: they can run, or they can extend. It's all about mobility. 598 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: And here's the fifth quarterback ended up being Hurts, who 599 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: has mobility. The two guys who are more pocket sloths 600 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: uh in Um, Jake From and and obviously most notably 601 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: east and Jacob Eason. That that's just not that's just 602 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: not playing in the NFL right now. And I love 603 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: the intelligence of From, the armed talent of Easton, but 604 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: if you're not mobile in this day and age, it's 605 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: it's really tough for UH. It's really tough for for 606 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: offensive coordinators to to be able to do everything that 607 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: they need to do to be unpredictable. And with I 608 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: don't really I look at look. I don't think Jalen 609 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: Hurts is an NFL starting caliber quarterback right now, and 610 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I think when he becomes a starter, it might be 611 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: UH an average ull below average starter. That's how I 612 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: have him projected and graded. But what I do know 613 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: is I like everything about his makeup. And Carson Wentz 614 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: is hurt a lot. Carson Wentz was hurt in high school. 615 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz was hurt in college. Carson Wentz has been 616 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: hurting the pros. I think they said this is a 617 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: backup quarterback for us. We're not trying to taste some 618 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: hill anything. We know that we can do direct snap stuff, 619 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: zone read things. We know we can create packages, but 620 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: I think they're saying, we gotta get man. We gotta 621 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: get a quarterback that we trust and that we like, 622 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: because I don't think jayalen Hurst has Tasto Hill like 623 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: He's not like watching a short area hold on. He 624 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be Taysom Hill in terms of the 625 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: actual player. But isn't there a way where the Eagles 626 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: can at least find a way to use him before 627 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: they feel like he has to be the quarterback? But 628 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: it would be so contrived, like when he runs on 629 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: the field, like everyone on defense is saying, okay, here 630 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: comes to his own read. But that's what they do 631 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: some Hill too. I think the thing with all I 632 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: think Tasty Hill was one when he was at by U, 633 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: he was dynamic. He was hurt all the time. He 634 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: was hurt every year, but he was pretty dynamic. And 635 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: I remember the game against Texas where he shredded Texas 636 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: as a due he had some legit Like I mean, 637 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: he was he was a physical runner. He could wrote 638 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: off because of the knees. I just wrote him off, 639 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: like three knees? What am I doing right now? The 640 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: difference is like Taysom Hill can still in the field 641 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: and line up at full back. He's line up at 642 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: h back. They would put him outside. Yeah, Javin Hurst 643 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: is athletic, but he's not that kind of athlete, and 644 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: so people have kind of put that on him. I 645 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: don't know if he's built like that. So this to 646 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: me is a true developmental quarterback prospect and and and 647 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: which is gonna see how that plays out. You know, 648 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: what do you think? Do you guys think they're drafting 649 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: the person and they're gonna figure out the player, because 650 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. They know they've got something. 651 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: But let's just see what we got because we know 652 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: we love the person in the locker room and everything, 653 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: and we know he's gonna work, and we know he's 654 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: gonna he's the coach's dream in that regard, because you 655 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: know you bring him in, he's gonna say all the 656 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: right things. He's not going to uh make where he 657 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: can handle play, He's gonna play his role. He look, 658 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: he showed he could play it in a major way 659 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: when he got benched in the championship game, but still 660 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: was supportive of tour and those things. And so that 661 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: plays well in the locker room, plays well in the 662 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: coaches meeting rooms and those things. But in figuring out 663 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: the player and what you do with the player after 664 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: you develop him, I think that is a little more challenging. 665 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: And I mean, like who knows. Man, Like we've talked 666 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: about Carson and his injuries. Uh, the odds suggest that 667 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: at some point Jalen or Nate or one of those 668 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to get him the field and 669 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: play quarterback for the Eagles this year. Yeah, you know, 670 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: I think they're just obviously pumping Nate Sudfeld up for 671 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: a big time trade, you know, coming up somebody to 672 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: get him, trying trying to get him ready. You're trying 673 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: to get him ready, trying to get him right. And 674 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: if he shows up for like three or four games, 675 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: if there's a preseason he kind of like it, has 676 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: one of those awesome preseason performances. He can go, um. Look, 677 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: A's a couple of other things that just kind of 678 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: stuck out to me as surprises. Josh Jones falling all 679 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: the way to the third round. Yeah, Like I can't 680 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: figure out what that was about. Like, I mean, obviously 681 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: this is a different time because without Pro days and 682 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: those things that we haven't been tipped off on some 683 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: things that we would find out like sooner rather than later. 684 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: And the fact that this is a guy that we 685 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: talked about being a fringe first round pick. He goes 686 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: in the third round. That was surprising. It was one 687 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: of the bigger surprises. So I'll tell you why. I think. 688 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. I think what might have happened. 689 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: Josh Jones played, I believe a little under three hundred 690 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: pounds when he was at University of Houston. He had 691 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: four different offensive line coaches four years. But then his 692 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: workout was was very, very average. He came in at 693 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: three nineteen pounds too big, Yeah, I think too big. 694 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: I didn't think he moved well on tape. He was 695 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: very athletic. At the combine, he didn't moved the same 696 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: as what I saw on tape, So I think he 697 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: got too heavy. He didn't move as well. His his 698 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: workout numbers were just kind of average. There was nothing 699 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 1: that really stood out about it. And so now all 700 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you had this athlete on tape that 701 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: you don't see this. He was just average at the 702 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: at the workout. I think that may have heard him 703 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,919 Speaker 1: some also, I don't know if there was anything else, 704 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 1: if I if I did, I would say what I could, 705 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: But I don't know if anything, but I thought, here's 706 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: where it could have heard him last, like, uh, the 707 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: last couple of years, we haven't seen as many coaches 708 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: venture down to the Senior ball, so the first time 709 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: the coaches may have had exposure to Jones and he 710 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: was good at senior balls. Three nineteen pound guy that 711 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: didn't move well at the combine that first impression. Sometimes 712 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: it's hard to get out of your mind, particularly when 713 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: guys are looking at tape, whereas if they had watched 714 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: him at the Senior Bowl, have been around him and 715 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: seeing first, then it changes how you view him uh 716 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: in games and and how you potentially view him coming 717 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: into your room. Guys. I want to get to some 718 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: of the notable storylines here that we saw developed through 719 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: rounds two and three, and get into that here in 720 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: just a second. Um, But can I give you maybe 721 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: the most non surprising pick of the night. Anybody have 722 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: any guesses the most non surprising? For me? It was 723 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: Devin ASIASI going to uh, oh, all right, Patriots? Like 724 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: when I started watching, it took me like seven plays 725 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: like this looks like a patriot. There you go, big athletic. 726 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: You know I'm gonna give you. At pick number one, 727 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:51,479 Speaker 1: Mike Mayock selects Clemson's Tanner Muse, the safety. You who 728 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: blew up the combine with a four four one thirty pounds. 729 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: Come on, you knew what was happening, didn't you? Come on, man, 730 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: feel feel right into it. And so he ran four 731 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: for one. He was everything like he he lit it up. 732 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: He was the decathlete of the weekend at the Combine 733 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: and then um, but man, the third round, the third 734 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: round is normally not Adham like five six, I saw 735 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: your profile. It's normally not when when you do that. 736 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: But well, you think he's getting Matt. You think he 737 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: thinks he has Matt Milano. Is that what he's thinking 738 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: of that? Some of that has always been the right away. 739 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 1: The Raiders would always take like big fat, be big 740 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: and fast, you can be a drafted exceptional qualities. So 741 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: and he's a good guy, But you're right, man, they're 742 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 1: they're loaded with Alabama and Clemson guys. That's right. He's 743 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: got a lot of he's got a lot of former 744 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: teammates on that squad, teammates. The chemistry and the continuity 745 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: is gonna be great because they're all our buddies from 746 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: high school. That's that's right, that's true, the whole team. 747 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,479 Speaker 1: You know, he was ticked off on a j Terrell 748 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: went before he could get him. Yeah, how about that? Like, yeah, 749 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: how about that? Yeah, I'm sure you wanted to add 750 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: them to the mix too, no doubt. Um. I just 751 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: thought thought that was fun. Um. Okay, So some notable 752 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: storylines here, and I want to start with one that 753 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: was kind of a little bit under the radar coming 754 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: into the night here, guys. Um. And it was in 755 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: the second round we started to hear some rumblings of 756 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,880 Speaker 1: the Trent Williams deal perhaps coming to fruition with Washington, 757 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: maybe engaging the Minnesota Vikings in trade talks here again 758 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,399 Speaker 1: the Vikings Riley Reef left tackle. Um. But you know 759 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: is this is this scenario where they would have tried 760 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: to bring in Trim Williams. Well, it turns out that 761 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: as they're working their way down the board here in 762 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: the second round and coming on the clock at fifty eight, overall, 763 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: they decided, you know what, we're not gonna do it. 764 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: We're gonna just take Ezra Cleveland the offensive tackle from 765 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: Boise State. Um, who ends up being the Let's see 766 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: that was that the are we counting Robert Hunt is 767 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: a tackle? Reguard? Uh, I'm counting him as a guard. 768 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to start off as a guard. 769 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,759 Speaker 1: And they've got a right tackle right now. There you go, 770 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: So I we count Ezra Cleveland is the first tackle 771 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: on day two in the seventh overall. I just thought 772 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: that was an interesting storyline here because here comes the 773 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 1: Redskins are just are still saddled with this absolutely disgruntled 774 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: player who sounds like he has no intentions of ever 775 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: playing for them again. And um, and you know, are 776 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 1: they are they asking too much? Um? Is it just? 777 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: Is it not a situation that teams want to get 778 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: involved in with him not playing at all last year? Um? 779 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: And and so I just I thought that was, um, bucky, 780 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: one of the interesting storylines here because we have not 781 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: seen an actual player, current NFL player traded at all 782 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: in these first three rounds. And that's that's kind of 783 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: something that we've seen in recent years. Yeah, that's normally 784 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: what we will see. We see more activity. Um, this 785 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 1: would be when uh, guys, we kind of dump off 786 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: the players that with this grunt, old guys they want 787 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 1: to move on from after this. Yeah, all those other things. 788 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: And it's been very very slow um this year. But 789 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: maybe maybe all the activity will happen on day three UM, 790 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: because now when you make the trade and be like, hey, 791 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: we can give you something in one uh, we can't 792 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: give you one of our topics this year, and maybe 793 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: teams will be more likely to accept that. Uh. It's 794 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: just been a it's been an interesting thing. We have 795 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: seen some trades, but certainly not as much movement as 796 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: we are accustomed seeing over a draft weekend. And to 797 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: these two guys were talking about in Gockway and and Williams, 798 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 1: they've also hurt their team in terms of leverage to 799 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: get a deal done. So potentially, you don't know for sure, 800 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: but potentially, And so you've got to be able to 801 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: if you're a team who's asking for for whatever and 802 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: another team smells blood because they know that that that 803 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: players disgruntled on Twitter and they think, while we've got 804 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: all the leverage Jacksonville Jaguars don't have the leverage. We're 805 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: not paying what they're you know, what they're asking for for. 806 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: In Gockway can make it a little bit more are difficult. 807 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,840 Speaker 1: Trent Williams situation, there's no secrets there. We know what 808 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: the deal is on that one. I think they've got 809 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: to move on from Williams. They got to get some 810 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,839 Speaker 1: they gotta get some equity from for Williams. Yeah, one 811 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: way or another, it's gone on long enough. They've got 812 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: to move him and get him and it at some 813 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 1: point after draft and Chase on, the Jaguars are probably 814 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: gonna have to get in got way out of the 815 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: building and let him go play somewhere else. But um, 816 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, as far as as far as any other 817 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: any other storylines that that stick out to you that 818 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: you know. I it's hard for me because I look 819 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,000 Speaker 1: at it is the way I look at it is. 820 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: I want to see how the flow of the draft works. 821 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: So the floor of the draft, I like looking this was. 822 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be probably tackles, maybe quarterbacks, 823 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: and it actually tackles fell back a little bit, and 824 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: then guys are drafting best defensive players available. I thought 825 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: there was a big rush too to to pick corners 826 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: that maybe didn't belong in the first round. And then 827 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: you get a it from flow which included we're not 828 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: we're not going to get the pocket quarterbacks. And so 829 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: we talked about that from and East and that was 830 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: one of those huge as well. Yeah, and and honestly, 831 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: when I when I wrote the Guys Up, I do 832 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: radio shows and Bucky at you probably were asked this 833 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: question to Okay, so outside of the big four, give 834 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: me another quarterback that you think is a real, sneaky 835 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: good starter. That's I said, that's it's not there, it 836 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: doesn't exist in this draft. I can give you an 837 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 1: answer if you want to play the game where we do. Okay, 838 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: tell me a late round guy that you can develop. 839 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, James Morrigan, Jake Lewton. I 840 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 1: mean it's this is a four quarterback draft for the 841 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: most part. I think if you're talking about guys you 842 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: have a chance to be dudes were there because everyone 843 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,800 Speaker 1: is looking for the next going to Minshew or something 844 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: like that. And I would say that's an anomaly. Like 845 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,239 Speaker 1: the way that he was able to go in there 846 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,879 Speaker 1: and not only make the team, but so plant Nick 847 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 1: Foles as the starting quarterback. That's that doesn't come around often. 848 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: And I actually thought that the Jackman cauterbacks and they 849 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,960 Speaker 1: have shown little to no interest in finding a quarterback. Well, 850 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: but they got three picks in the fourth Bucky, That's 851 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: what I was gonna ask you next. Do you guys 852 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: think that they say they're not going to but once 853 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: you get to the fourth round, this is backup territory. 854 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: Are are we sure they're not going to take a 855 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: look at from or Eason number one? For like, their 856 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: quarterback is Trevor Lawrence justin field, Guys like why why 857 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,839 Speaker 1: another guy to the room when you know Garnerman, She's 858 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: gonna be a guy and you can get maybe a 859 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: cheap backup option for him. I just well, the price 860 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: is falling considerably on Cam Newton and Jameis Winson at 861 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: this Yeah, because like now, I mean the musical chairs 862 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: even trying to slot those quarterbacks. The only place for 863 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: Cam Newton in my mind is New England. And for Jamis, 864 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: Jamis has a tougher road to hoo um in terms 865 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: of the backup quarterback job because where, I mean, where 866 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: can he go? Like he can't go to Green Bay 867 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:15,919 Speaker 1: anymore like I thought would be a Jacksonville means you know, yeah, 868 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: it's tough. So that is the storyline to follow as 869 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 1: we enter day three. You know, guys, is uh, where 870 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: does Jacobson end up? Where does Jake from end up? In? 871 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: What kind of situation do they end up in? Um? 872 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: I think is even more interesting. Here. I was with 873 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: a couple of guys on the radio that we're a 874 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480 Speaker 1: bit more surprised than the two of you tonight to 875 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,920 Speaker 1: see those names still out there. They're they're really surprised 876 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,839 Speaker 1: about the Jacobs and Jake from Thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 877 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: it really were. Um Brock cured among them? Um and 878 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: sweet Spot. Does that make sense? Yeah? Okay? Well, and 879 00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,399 Speaker 1: and they gave some good reasons, you know. So anyway, um, 880 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 1: you know another storyline tonight we're the running backs. And 881 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,080 Speaker 1: as we mentioned, our guy Daniel Jeremiah has been doing 882 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 1: a great job on the joint broadcast with ESPN and 883 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: NFL Network was on that broadcast again tonight when young 884 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: man from his alma mater got selected appalestion States Darien 885 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: ton Evans now headed to the Tennessee Titans. And here 886 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: was DJ's reaction. Well, now the draft has officially started 887 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: trade because we have an app state mountaineer that is 888 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,040 Speaker 1: off the board and Derrick toon Evans, It's gonna be 889 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: fun to watch him pair up with Derrick Henry because 890 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,160 Speaker 1: if Derrick Henry's Mr Power, this is Mr Speed. Lewis 891 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,879 Speaker 1: has used the term that one cut runner, and that's 892 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 1: this kid. When he gets his foot in the ground 893 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: and gets north and south, you are not going to 894 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: catch him. That four or four one speed shows up 895 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: in a big way. He also has the ability to 896 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: help out in the return game, the Penn State game, 897 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,239 Speaker 1: that great game between app State and Penn State a 898 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He took a kickoff back for 899 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 1: a touchdown in that one. So big time, big time, 900 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: top juice and boys, it's the best fight song it's 901 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: out there, So let's not let's not give the people 902 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:12,520 Speaker 1: what they want here. Nobody like us the Mountaineers, Mountaineers, 903 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: Mountaineers always a win, and Trey, We're always a grin 904 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: and always a feeling fine. Hey. So, I don't know 905 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: if we should try to embarrass DJ for not singing 906 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: the fight song or if we should thank him for 907 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,520 Speaker 1: not subjecting us to that, But I'm glad he still 908 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: knows the lyrics at the very least. So darry Ton 909 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,440 Speaker 1: Evans the the only app State Mountaineer to come off 910 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,200 Speaker 1: the board here in the first three rounds. I just 911 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: want to make sure I can get a slight, subtle 912 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: dig at him. Um. Anyway, Darry Tenevan's a running back 913 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: going out of the Titans landside. How do you like 914 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: that fit? I like it. I like it fine. I 915 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 1: don't worry about I don't I don't care about having 916 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: a duplication as I don't need a J. Dylan to 917 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 1: be the backup to Derrick Henry. I mean, you can 918 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: do it if you want to, but why not give 919 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: a team something they haven't seen the entire game. When 920 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: when Derrick Henry comes out, they're going to see a 921 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: completely different look and they're gonna have to change change up. 922 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: It's like it's like seeing you know, fastballs, or it's 923 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: like seeing a change up pitt or a curveball picture 924 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you got gas coming in 925 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: and out of the bullpen. It's tough to adjust to that, 926 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: and I think that could be something that really works 927 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: in the Titans favors is have a completely different style 928 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 1: of back come in as a change of pace. We 929 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,200 Speaker 1: call it change of pace. Change definitely changes the the 930 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: energy in the stadium when he runs into the field 931 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,000 Speaker 1: I wanted because they weren't able to do that with 932 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,960 Speaker 1: Dion Lewis or how they're going to be able to 933 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: fit it in with Evans. He is a talented player, man, 934 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: He's a jitterbug in the open field. He has the 935 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,440 Speaker 1: the juice and and all of that other stuff. It 936 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 1: would be interesting how Tennessee tries to play this out 937 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: and also do they try to preserve Derrick Henry a 938 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 1: little more heading down the stretch so he is ready 939 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: to kind of like impose his will those last uh 940 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,080 Speaker 1: handful of games and going into the postseason like we 941 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,280 Speaker 1: saw him do it this year. Well, if you do, 942 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be with a guy like Evans, Like 943 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to whoever your second back is, is 944 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,960 Speaker 1: gonna have to be the guy that takes those heavy 945 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: carries to take some of the load off the workload 946 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 1: off of him. Because Evans, to me, is never gonna 947 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: be a number one, Like that's not how he's built. 948 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: That's not the kind of back he is. But um Man, 949 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: Tennessee is building a little bit of a bully over 950 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 1: there too. They've they're onto something. They are onto something 951 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel we talked about Matt Rule. I got a 952 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of respect from Mike Vrabel too. I think Mike 953 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: Vrabel he's the one guy that's gone from the Patriot Way. 954 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 1: And I asked Bill O'Brien has had some success, obviously, 955 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: he's won some divisions, but I feel like Vrabels on it, 956 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: and he's not a coaching tree. That's a player. That's 957 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,479 Speaker 1: a player who coaches. Now. Yeah, And and I think 958 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: that that pick a Christian Fulton towards the bottom of 959 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: the second round was a nice one for that team 960 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 1: that lost Logan Ryan and Malcolm Butler has been banged up, 961 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 1: and uh they go ahead and try to uh, you know, 962 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: get another defensive back in there, uh to help with 963 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: that team and in that division. Last storyline, you know, 964 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned I had some fun with the Raiders selection 965 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,879 Speaker 1: of Tanner Muse. But before that, man, they went back 966 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,239 Speaker 1: to back receiver there with Lynn Bowden. Um who's who's done. 967 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's been a versatile weapon for Kentucky. And 968 00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,839 Speaker 1: then backed it right up with Brian Edwards from South 969 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: Carolina to go along with Henry Ruggs in the first round. 970 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we want to give the Broncos 971 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: a little guff for going heavy on the receivers. I mean, 972 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 1: here we go, the Raiders are trying to was a 973 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,040 Speaker 1: running back. I don't know if you noticed, like how 974 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,759 Speaker 1: he was announced, he was announced, he was announced. He 975 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: I didn't hear the announces and running back, And so 976 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,680 Speaker 1: maybe maybe John Gruden is trying to be a little 977 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:47,360 Speaker 1: slickster by putting him a running back. But when he 978 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: runs into the field, everyone is going to know that 979 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 1: he's coming out of the backfield. He's gonna get the 980 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 1: ball in some kind of way. I think what's interesting 981 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: is I studied Brian it was hard last week, and 982 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: I was really impressed with the balls else his ability 983 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: to win the fifty fifty balls, the acrobatic catches, um 984 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: some of the toughness that he displayed on those in 985 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,960 Speaker 1: breaking routes. Those things work. And with John Gruten wanting 986 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: to kind of utilize a pure West Coast system, with 987 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: Rugs being the vertical stretch guy and maybe Edwards on 988 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: the outside being the guy that can run some of 989 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,440 Speaker 1: the tough in breaking routes and Tyrrelle Williams and some 990 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,280 Speaker 1: of the other receivers that they have in the corps. 991 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting. The one thing that has been constant, 992 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,680 Speaker 1: which has been a surprise based on all the buzz 993 00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,080 Speaker 1: that we've heard, Derek Carr is still the starting quarterback 994 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,279 Speaker 1: for the Las Vegas Raiders. And I mean we've heard 995 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: everybody and their mom associated with the Raiders and he's 996 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,279 Speaker 1: going to be traded and get him out of there. 997 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 1: But as we stand right now, hitting the Day three 998 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: of the draft, the Derek Carr is their quarterback and 999 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,319 Speaker 1: unless he falters somehow and cracks, that leaves the door 1000 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: crack for Marcus Mariota to overtake him. The Raiders gonna 1001 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: upgrade all these players, but they have the same trigger man. Yeah, 1002 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 1: they I like Brian Edwards a lot. I like him 1003 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: a lot. I think he's really tough, great size, can run. 1004 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: He's a second round talent who fell because of the 1005 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,200 Speaker 1: because of the knee injury. But it is like they're 1006 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,759 Speaker 1: they're just taking the broom and they're just sweeping at 1007 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: wide receiver. Core Clean just you got how to renfro. 1008 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: We're getting all of our Clemson guys in here. Real 1009 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: quick squad sat up with Clemson's shout out to the 1010 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: SEC and and a C C and that's it and 1011 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,520 Speaker 1: it's a wrap and we'll see what happens. They added 1012 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: SEC and Lynn bout. Let's not forget about this. We're 1013 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,479 Speaker 1: we spent some time talking about what what Jalen Hurts 1014 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,719 Speaker 1: is gonna do. Lynn can do a lot of the same. 1015 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 1: Like Lynn can be a problem because he can roll 1016 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: out to the wide receiver spot. He can't get running 1017 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 1: back carries, he can run zone his own read stuff, 1018 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. That's the gadget player that you want, 1019 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: the gadget player that can come on the field and 1020 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,320 Speaker 1: he can play outside. You can put him in the 1021 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:03,960 Speaker 1: back foot and all you all of a sudden you 1022 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: look up and he's running zone read and option stuff 1023 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,280 Speaker 1: and that stuff. He he's a little different. Um yeah, 1024 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,319 Speaker 1: he's hard to prepare. Give you sleepless nights as a 1025 00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. Um yeah. It's man, it's such a fascinating 1026 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: thing to see the team building process. And then I 1027 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,040 Speaker 1: would say that's just for reference, like everyone in in 1028 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,399 Speaker 1: Day three and and the way that this approach right now, 1029 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: it's all about finding the hidden him. This is when 1030 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,879 Speaker 1: you really throw your darts. This is when guys who 1031 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,160 Speaker 1: have character guys who have like a medical issue, but 1032 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 1: if they're really good players, this is when you throw 1033 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,440 Speaker 1: your dart. You throw your dart the fourth round, the 1034 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: fifth round. When they have character concerns. This is when 1035 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,280 Speaker 1: you kind of kind of swing for defenses on guys 1036 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,279 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't feel comfortable taken early, but now you 1037 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,279 Speaker 1: feel comfortable now because the financial risk is is less 1038 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: than significant. I'll leave it with this here, guys, Um, 1039 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: before we get out of here, are are the quarterbacks 1040 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,879 Speaker 1: at all? The best players available? Um? As we get 1041 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 1: into day three here round four, as we get back 1042 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,319 Speaker 1: on the clock tomorrow morning, Um, depending on what time 1043 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: zone you're in, Lance, or is there another player out 1044 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: there that's uh that that kind of sticks out as 1045 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,200 Speaker 1: best in show that's still available. I don't think it's 1046 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: a quarterbacks, No, I don't. I don't think that's gonna be. 1047 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,800 Speaker 1: And I'm going through my list right now because I 1048 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 1: thought there were some pretty good football players at the end, 1049 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,719 Speaker 1: right at the back end of the third Terrell Burgess, 1050 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: I think he's so nice. Um. And here's Brian, Yeah, Harrison, Bryan, 1051 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: he's still out there. I'm waiting for him to hear 1052 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,880 Speaker 1: his name called he was the one that I'm that, 1053 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm that I'm looking I'm looking for like, okay, here 1054 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 1: should go Bucky out. I was told Bucky he was. 1055 00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,320 Speaker 1: He showed up at the combine like to forty two, 1056 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: and then when he had to run and was like, 1057 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,240 Speaker 1: that's you know, they did the second way in before 1058 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 1: the forty and I got and I said, I asked 1059 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: a team, I, hey, what was his weight second way 1060 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: and dropped it. Yeah, that's not gonna help. And I 1061 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,000 Speaker 1: think that's one of the reasons the other two guys 1062 00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: to me to stand out that the good football players 1063 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,799 Speaker 1: haven't been picked uh one Bradley and I has not 1064 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: been picked from Utah. I thought that he would have 1065 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,319 Speaker 1: an opportunity, certainly to be in the third round. And 1066 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: then Curtis Weaver, um my buddy has called me, hey, man, 1067 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: what's up, my guy? I was like, man, bad body, 1068 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: the bad body. The bad bodies got him. And then 1069 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: there's some people that question in some of those big games, man, 1070 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,200 Speaker 1: maybe he turned it down a little bit when it 1071 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,399 Speaker 1: came to um people getting after him a little bit 1072 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,239 Speaker 1: kind of getting you know, he shut it down. But 1073 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,200 Speaker 1: the one thing I would say about Curtis we have 1074 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,319 Speaker 1: a thirty thirty four and a half sacks um over 1075 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,480 Speaker 1: multiple years. It's hard to duplicate that production. That production 1076 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,319 Speaker 1: typically translate, I would think and I and Curtis Weaver, 1077 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 1: those guys would kind of jump off the board pretty soon. 1078 00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,640 Speaker 1: And again, still some good receivers out there, uh, Tyler 1079 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: Johnson from Minnesota, A James Purchet Ganandy Golden from Liberty Um. 1080 00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,480 Speaker 1: Some guys out there. I don't think. I don't think 1081 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,680 Speaker 1: Prochet is gonna go. There's some medicals there. I hope 1082 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but I've heard from a few people that 1083 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,120 Speaker 1: it could. If he doesn't go. It has nothing to 1084 00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 1: do with the ability, because he's talented. There's a guy 1085 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,759 Speaker 1: that I think has a chance to be really good, 1086 00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: Gabriel Davis from UCF. If you have a chance to 1087 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: watch him much. He did up Pauls and Nadibo. And 1088 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 1: I remember watching Gabriel Davis just taking him off the 1089 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 1: like two or three times, shook him badly. And I 1090 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: think there might be something to this UCF wide receiver. 1091 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,799 Speaker 1: He didn't go on the third, but I think I 1092 00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: had him in the third, fourth round category or territory. 1093 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy to keep your eye on 1094 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,319 Speaker 1: as well as a Meek Robertson, who I know he's 1095 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,400 Speaker 1: got a lot of love because yeah, I knew I 1096 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,719 Speaker 1: wanted to bring him up. I mean that guy. He's 1097 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,000 Speaker 1: another one. There's some concerns about some medicals, but there's 1098 00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:00,839 Speaker 1: another one, Darney Holmes, who's that Yeah, Darnay really helped 1099 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: himself from the post for the first picks, first round, 1100 00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,160 Speaker 1: we'll see some good players come on the board. Well, 1101 00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,200 Speaker 1: looking forward to it, guys. 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