WEBVTT - Smelling Good is Being Memorable 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:09.039 My Beauty Secret, Vengeance. My beauty secret is literally estrogen. 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:19.120 I mean kind of yeah, no, no, like really, we're 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:23.040 still on vacation, you know, we're like just vibing this August. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.920 So this episode is going to be a little lighter, 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.720 but we're going to be talking about something that's like 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.240 a little more ephemeral than our usual topics. And today 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.479 we're gonna be talking about beauty. I think you and 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:40.159 I are two people who have very different but um 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:47.240 important relationships with beauty, certainly with beauty products, Taurus placements, yes, 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:51.640 tourist placements. Um. Can you like track in your life 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.480 when beauty was something that you started really caring about? 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.680 And I don't mean kind of in the way of just, um, 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.800 you know, uh, like caring about what you looked like. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:06.760 But I think, um, I guess the idea of beauty 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.160 that I have always been interested in is like when 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:11.800 you start investing in what you look like. And I 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.760 don't mean just financially, although obviously that's a huge part 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.120 of beauty, but I think like investing your time and energy, 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:22.520 um into what you look like. That's a really good question. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.600 And I don't know if I have a crystal clear answer, 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:30.279 but I maybe maybe not an answer to your question, 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.840 but maybe an early something that is something that I 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.800 actually have on a home video somewhere is me. I'm 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:44.000 like maybe like two years old or one or two, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.400 and my parents are throwing a birthday party for me, 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.840 and someone as a joke like put cake on my face, 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.400 you know, because it's like your kid and cake on 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.560 your face or whatever, and I remember being like, what 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:02.280 the fuck did you just and like wiping it off 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.480 my face like this, like being like what the fuck 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.920 did you just do to me? And being like I 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.919 will not not be beautiful. You know. What I mean 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.160 you should have done is you should have rubbed it 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:20.880 into your face out fire. Um. I feel like, can 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.840 we do one together on three one two three? Hello? 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:29.880 I think we just got up. I think we got 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.760 some peaks there. Um my, um my point. My point being, 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.200 I have kind of always been concerned with aesthetics and 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.880 the aesthetic value of myself and things around me, which 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.160 is not something I'm necessarily proud of, but just drives 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.040 my life regardless. And um yeah, I think that beauty 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:54.359 is something that I'm constantly striving for, if not accomplishing, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.960 which I accomplish it often. Um, what about you, Rose, Like, 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.320 do you think you have like a formative devotion to 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.240 beauty or like an early memory of beauty? Yeah, my 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.520 mama told me when I was young in the glass 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:14.960 of hard Boudoir. I think, like, of course, I've always 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:21.919 you know, had feelings and thoughts and opinions about um, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:26.440 my body and like the way I was viewed whatever. 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:30.880 But I also think it's honest to say that for 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:37.280 most of my life, beauty and maybe like the truest 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.440 sense of the word, was not something that I really 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:45.800 thought about until I was presenting as female. Like I 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:52.960 think a mob people generally not to make a mass generalization, 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.640 but it's just something we're taught to care less about 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.520 or taught or socialized to think that it is. It's 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.960 not something that's for us. Beauty is something that is 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:08.040 for women, and and to be concerned with beauty is 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:13.120 not for us. We are cultured to just I don't know, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.320 the little balls of mud, but just like don't care 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.480 about like our fucking hygiene or like how we present 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:23.000 to the world, and like, I don't know, thinking back 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.400 to our devil Wares product episode and other things we 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.680 talked about this podcast, Like I think as superficial and 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.800 as capitalistic and as you know, as much of an 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:38.800 artifice that like beauty and aesthetics can be, especially when 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.800 you're trying to make it in an industry. It is 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.400 also your armor. It is the thing that you wear 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.920 out into the world to not only show an express 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:55.880 to people who you are, but also to safeguard you, 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:01.240 you know, like as marginalized people. Sometimes beauty is one 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.520 of the few tools we have to navigating or getting 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.400 up in certain spaces. But also on the flip side, 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.479 beauty is pain. Beauty is pain, and I have I 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.600 have gone through a lot of pain for beauty. Oh 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.960 my god, that reminds me of laser tomorrow. I need 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.680 to I need to schedule this was my this was 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.760 my laser that I scheduled to I'm going to like 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.040 go into full like Greta Garbo hermit mode for like 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.480 a week and a half after and just like not 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.880 see anyone. I'm going to get laser and I'm going 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.320 to let myself become the Wolfman for a little bit 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.719 on that. Yeah, because I think my problem is that, 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.800 like with lasers, that I always like shaved too quickly 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:46.680 after it, and I just need to let it all 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.840 fall out. Always that what you're supposed to do. Yeah, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.080 according to my laser tech, to shave, and so for 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.480 that it come out naturally. So for the virgins, I'm 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.040 at the beginning of my laser journey getting rid of 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.800 my chin strap, and I'll also maybe shaving off my mustache. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.680 I don't know if I'll be lazering my mustache area. 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:11.520 I mean, I don't really utache, baby get ready. I 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:17.880 mean I'm excited, Yeah, I mean I'm not that excited. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.400 I'm well, honestly, this is great for today's topic. I've 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.320 had a bit of an existential crisis around shaving my 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:29.200 mustache because I have so many different contrasting opinions within 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.920 my own head about why I have it and why 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:37.520 I shouldn't. And um, I often think about what I 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.680 do to my own image to appear hot to the world, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.120 and specifically to appear hot to men, and I do 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:50.040 think that growing a mustache was something I did specifically 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.320 to find and frame my face in a way that 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:56.200 made me like my face more. Because the way dysphoria 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.080 works is just like you just never like your face 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.240 like ever, it doesn't matter how many procedures you get, 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.640 like how much like surgery you get, how many ways 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.040 you manipulate what you do. It's just like so hard 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:10.080 to love your face and so you know, trying to 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.880 find ways to change it was like my first grasp 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.560 at figuring out like what I am and what I 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.080 want um and now years and years and years later 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.560 after having a mustician, it being kind of a part 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.160 of my for lack of a better word, brand or 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:30.040 public image, it feels like everyone loves it. Even if 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.600 people don't love it. It's like shaving it. People would 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.080 be like, oh my god, you shave your mustache. That's crazy, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:37.640 and it's like, I don't want any of that, Like 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.080 it actually shouldn't be that deep, and I'm sure Like 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:46.600 it's also you're anticipating, just because of who you are, 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:52.120 the the questions that might come with it of people 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.000 being like, oh, what does it mean? What's going on 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.800 with your gender? Like you know, like it's very loaded 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:04.040 to change thing thought fundamental about yourself, but like the 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.720 thing is, it's not fundamental. It's it's just hair exactly. 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:12.120 It's just told us hair is everything. Hair is everything. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.200 I wish it wasn't, but hair is it really is. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.239 But like I feel like I've found like my actual 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.840 hair hair, Like I've really found a journey where I 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.880 do love my face more because of how my hair 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.600 frames my face. And so your hair looks great, by 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.120 the way, thank you. And and honestly, I mean yours 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.080 always looks great. I don't have to compliment you back, no, 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:39.959 I mean whatever, whatever, whatever, um, but I just want 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.920 to say, like, you know, people can speculate. Obviously, it 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.520 is a gender thing, like obviously, like I want to 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.199 shave off my mustache because like I'm a she, they 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:49.880 and I want to give a little more she, you know, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.720 like and and I feel at odds with that because 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:59.240 I shouldn't have to be hairless in order to belong 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.120 to a certain echelon of transness, in order to belong 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.160 to the dolls, in order to belong to you know, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.679 all the things that But that is the thing about 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:15.120 like this concept of trans beauty and like, um, because 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.080 you know, I know so many six women, queer women 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:25.120 who have tons of body hair and for them, and 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.800 I certainly have seen women where I think I find 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.959 their body hair super feminine and feminizing. I actually was 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.320 thinking about this recently because um, I was. I was 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.480 on a uh Google image spiral of looking at Julia 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:45.200 Roberts and the nineties and she very good spiral to Vien. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:49.480 She very iconically at the premier to notting Hill had 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:54.920 really visible um underarm hair and it was such a 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.080 huge tabloid thing at the time. And I can look 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.000 at that and be like, oh, that's so cool and 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.440 like sexy on her. But I do not feel that 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.960 way about myself. Even though like I don't really shape 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.760 my under arms, I still think that I should because 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:17.520 if I don't, then like it's super masculine, right, Yeah, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.040 it's just so weird. How well, first of all, like 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.520 hair removal in general, like we could give a whole 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.000 you know, presentation on it, but it it has I 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.520 have the deck ready to go girl like. And but 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.160 like in a history of hair removal, is is all colonization. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:38.200 It's it's a hundred percent about like colonized ideas of 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:43.720 beauty and and misogynistic ideas of beauty to be honest, um, 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:47.280 but like back to like what you were just talking about, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.080 it's like there, I mean, first, don't get it twisted. 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:57.360 Body modification is awesome, like amazing, Yes, Tenata ten. I'm 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:01.320 so excited for like the what's next for me just 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:05.080 to the small amount of like just in what kind 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.240 of beauty hacks I've kind of beauty hacks, gender hacks 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.400 I've gotten into since I you know, gotten on this journey. 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.360 But like, there's just a lot of people, and I 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.320 will say this is often an intracommunal conversation where other 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.160 trans people don't think you're trans unless you shave, unless 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.079 you're quote unquote hairless and tear. You know what I mean. Well, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.720 it's so it's so funny that a discussion of beauty 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.720 with us immediately turns into a discussion of gender. And 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:38.280 I do think that's true of most queer and trans 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.120 people I know, is those two things are inextricably linked, 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.200 even people I know who like don't fall anywhere in 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.200 the trans spectrum, like you know, like so many CIS 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.920 gay men I know, like, to them, beauty is being 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:58.239 super masculine or like whatever version of that means to them. Um, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:08.240 beauty is unfortunately intrinsically wrapped up in gender and vice versa. Um, 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:10.920 although I guess like recently, but I mean this is 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.760 still like proving my point, you know, recently, in the 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.240 past like a year or so, I've felt a little less. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.840 I felt less need to be so strict about like 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.520 presenting super femin that's like gone on and off, And 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:30.000 have sometimes found like a lot of beauty in androgyny. Um. 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.680 And that's also something I'm usually like really attracted to 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.400 in people. Um. But like, I mean, that's still inherently gendered, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.560 because like androgyny is still I mean, even though like 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.000 the idea of androgyny is genderless, like I still think 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:47.600 it's so wrapped up in gender. Yeah. And that's the 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.120 other thing is like, at least with me, it's like 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:56.640 I am trying to find comfort in androgyny, and I'm 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.880 trying to find the balance of all different components of 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.320 what makes me mask and what makes me fem or whatever. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.640 And I find that like when I try too hard 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.320 to push into the doll territory where I'm like I 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.880 really want to be hairless and TERROR really want to 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.280 be just like a woman today or whatever. I sometimes 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.520 I feel like it makes me hate my beauty more 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:28.360 because I'm not achieving something that I'm trying at. It's 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:33.720 a losing game, yeah, as opposed to actually loving what 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:38.080 comes naturally to me, which is to be both and 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.520 to be a mishmash, and and that like in that 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.280 there's androgyny, and in that there's faggotry, and that I 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:49.040 love those things, and that is like where my beauty 0:13:49.040 --> 0:14:07.480 goals are. It's an ongoing conversation because just people don't 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:12.760 understand that trans people have existed before hair removal and 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.200 before gender affirming surgeries and before estra diial. You know, 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:21.600 it's like it's insane that that has to even be clarified. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.440 But I think it's because there really aren't that many 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.280 types of trans people that people turn to on the 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.240 representational level. I feel like it's like on the ski 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.600 if you look at the scale of transnits, it's like, 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.720 on this end of the scale it's Elliott Page, and 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.600 on this end of the scale it's Laverne Cox, and 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.120 right in the middle it's a located men on. And 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:45.160 you're either one of these three or you're not trans, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.040 you know what I mean, and like, or we have 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.600 no idea what to do with you. And so when 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.360 the needle is like a little bit to the left 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.480 or a little bit to the right, which is kind 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.760 of where my gender feels, a lot of the time 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:04.280 people are on edge because this is a conversation about it. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.200 But but it's about presentation ultimately, Like people are on 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.760 edge because they're like, well, what are you? You know 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.640 what I mean? Like people want to extricate and make 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:17.920 meaning of your beauty and your presentation and figure out 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.160 what you are as opposed to just finding solace and 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:26.360 in what you remain to be, you know what I mean? Yeah, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.600 And I think this is why I have tried as 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:38.440 much as possible to untangle beauty from gender presentation and 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:44.480 find things about myself that I that are beautiful. Um, 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:49.040 no matter how I'm presenting or like how fhem or 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:54.000 androgynous or even mask I like feel on any given day. Um, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.320 And like I think I've been somewhat successful and that 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.600 and like I do think you know, Like as I said, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.120 I think when we talk about beauty, like it's this 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:06.040 concept of investing in your body and the way you 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.760 present and so I try to focus on things that like, 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.520 like I really care about my skin and you know skin, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:18.520 I think, like, of course, again it's like bodies are gendered, 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.120 like that's the way the world works. But I can 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.280 feel really good about my skin and like not really 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.560 worry about you know, if it's like if my skin 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:31.080 is like fish or whatever. Yes, exactly. And that's the 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.520 thing though, is like they always say beauty is in 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:36.720 the eye of the beholder, but it's actually beauty is 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:42.120 about selfhood and about how you carry what you're working 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.600 with and how you sell it and what makes you 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:49.440 feel confident. And I think that beauty as a personal 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:53.120 practice starts with figuring out just that, like what is 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.080 the thing that you know how to that you like 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.120 to manipulate, that you enjoy doing so that does that 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:06.520 make you feel you know, pressurized, competitive or over evaluated? 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.479 And if if your thing is like I'm gonna get 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.119 my skin right, or if another person is like I'm 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.160 going to dye my hair this way, or another person's 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.800 like I'm gonna wear a luke every single day, even 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.360 to just a coffee shop. You know, like everyone evaluates 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.719 their aesthetic. Everyone find you're finding joy in your aesthetic. 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.359 It's just like a simple pleasure of life. Yeah, And 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.400 I and like so much of beauty is just for you. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.840 Like yesterday I was like, didn't leave my apartment yesterday, 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.320 but I had just got I had just gotten this 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.720 new highlighter and I like put it on in the 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.000 morning just because I wanted my cheeks to be shiny 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.760 all day, like just for me. And that's fine, you 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.360 know that. I think like we're in this place where 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.679 like as a culture, we've become so invested in the 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.240 idea of self care and that's like intrinsically linked to beauty, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.879 like and I guess it's it's like a problematic that 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.920 the idea that the best way to care for yourself 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.159 is like to do something that um cost money, that 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.720 that a cost money and also makes you more desirable, 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.439 and you know, like that the only end goal of 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:20.679 self care is to look more beautiful, um, which I 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.080 think like is and isn't true. But you know, like 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.080 I don't necessarily always like get a facial, Like you know, 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.840 I got a facial two weeks ago, and it wasn't 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.679 necessarily so like I looked better. It was because I 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.800 wanted to feel better. I wanted to like spend an 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.200 hour where I couldn't look at my phone and someone 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.480 was just like massaging lotions and potions into my face 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.000 and that was really nice and like, yeah, byproduct of 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.040 that is like my skin looked better, and like, you know, 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.840 that's nice, but it was more about, you know, what 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.679 it did for me and how it made me feel 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.679 exactly and I and I and that's the thing, is 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:05.720 like finding your beauty practice is about, you know, extricating 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.760 it from funck ability or extricating it from like, you know, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.439 exclusivity or belonging to a certain echelon of people, or 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.520 like money or material or any of those things. It's 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:22.040 about like selfhood and understanding. I don't know what makes 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.840 you happy and when it comes to aesthetics, and I 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.840 don't know. I think a lot about Andre Leon Tally 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:33.920 and like how unlike his ability to just identify beauty um, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.639 which was basically the body of his work, Like he 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.560 was just such a true genius, but how he never 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:45.400 saw beauty and fashion to be about labels. He knew 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.600 it to be about style and about how you carried it. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.880 And and I think that that was something that drew 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.520 everyone to him because he knew how to do it. 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.960 And he himself would constantly say that he's not beautiful, 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.359 Like he would always make self deprecating jokes about how 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.520 they don't they don't keep me here from my looks, 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.919 they keep me here from my brains or whatever. But 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.760 that's just that is that someone can live a life 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:15.000 that is in and surrounded by and about beauty and 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.480 it has nothing to do with your fuck ability or 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:35.960 your class or your cloud. You know. Yeah, do you 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:38.280 have a beauty hack that you want to share with 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:43.320 the version? I have one? I feel, Yeah, you go first? 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.600 Will you go first? Okay? So something I've been doing 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.480 recently that I think actually when when we were in 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.359 New York, I told you about this. Um, one of 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.560 my favorite things to do now, like on days when 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:57.239 I don't wear makeup because I don't I don't wear 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.320 makeup that often. I still like to look a little 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.320 like lit and dewey. And so one of my favorite 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.119 tricks is using just like petroleum jelly or like vasiline 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.560 or whatever, and I just put it on like the 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.800 high points of my cheek, on my lids, like under 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.520 my brow and then you know, obviously on my lips 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.800 because it's like the best lip bomb is just like 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.800 vasoline or aquapher or whatever. That is a good hack. 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.040 I love a kind of bomb chapstick something on the 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.640 on the high points, and I love a multi purpose 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.960 product that is just something that you can like get 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:42.000 at any like literally anywhere. You can get like you know, 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:46.560 vasoline or petroleum jelly, literally anywhere, and it's you know, 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:51.399 cheap um, and everyone everyone wants to look dewey these days. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:55.399 Everyone wants to look glistening and moist and like like 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.520 a glazed donut. That's that's so much the vibe where 0:21:58.640 --> 0:21:59.879 you know, a couple of years ago, it was all 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:02.880 out looking like Matt and snatched and like, I love 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.399 looking like a glaze donut. Um, I honestly on your 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.760 glaze vibe. The first thing that came to mind was 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.960 body oil. Um, I mean this. I think this is 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.760 true for everybody, but definitely true for like melonated skin 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.760 like you like I I love the vacation body oil 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:20.679 I think has the best smell and the best shine. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:23.639 The glass A body oil is also kind of fine. 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.760 I think their products disappear too easily. But you know, 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:30.159 if you get yourself a cute little body oil, the 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.920 experience of putting it on is very luxurious and to 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:38.280 that extra couple of minutes to just smother yourself with 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:41.159 lotions and people are always like, oh you look so 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:44.040 you're like glowing, you know. Um, so I love that. 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.280 I also will say, and this is like, I think 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.760 this is just a shout out to any beauty virgins 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.040 because it's so one a one to anybody who does 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:56.440 make up. But like, just curl your lashes. Curl your 0:22:56.560 --> 0:23:00.600 daily lashes. That's another thing, like in addition to like 0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:06.200 just like some vassoline or whatever. Like, even if you're 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.720 doing literally nothing else, just curling your lashes makes such 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.320 a difference. It makes you look more alert. It's like 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:16.639 takes one second. It's it's such a huge difference. It's 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:18.040 something that I forget to do a lot. And I 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:21.040 also like I don't even when I have like a 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:22.840 lot of makeup on, which is still not a lot 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.920 of makeup. But for me is I hardly ever wear 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.399 a mascara because I just don't like it. Like I 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:30.719 have kind of watery eyes, so it always ends up 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.080 smearing um, even if I use waterproof. And like also 0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:37.200 I don't like wearing waterproof mascara. So just curling my 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:41.000 lashes like makes such a huge difference. Yeah, especially yeah, 0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.440 I mean, and I already have just beautiful lashes in general, 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.639 so it really makes a huge difference. Are you going 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.840 to get lash extensions at some point I was, I was, 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.520 but Ash kind of convinced me not too because her 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.000 last experience with lash extensions was not so great. But 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:00.520 like I I'm still thinking about it. I kind of 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.720 do want lash extensions, It's just they don't last very long. Yeah. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.359 I also, my lashes are naturally kind of long, but 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:11.240 they're like long and straight, so they almost like drooped 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.440 down a little bit. So length is never what I'm 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:17.800 looking for. It's always curl and lift. Yeah. I mean, 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.280 I just feel like people everyone should have a good 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:26.040 no makeup makeup routine, like everybody of any gender, like 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.159 you can if. I mean for me, it's like an 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.639 oar skin sealer. Okay, you know at the at the 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.840 points that you want it. However you want to highlight 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:39.840 your face, curl your lashes, get a little dewey brow gel. 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:44.359 You've turned me onto brow gel is important for me. 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:50.959 It's it's always about lips. To me, lips are beauty. Um. 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:55.600 I have said this before. I think I don't leave 0:24:55.840 --> 0:25:02.080 my apartment with less than two lip products. Ever, there's 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:05.239 always if I have a bag, there's at least two 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.520 lip products in it. I have a lip bomb in 0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:11.800 my car. It's just to me. It's like the one 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:13.720 thing I never want to do is have my lips 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.640 look dry if slash when I do shave my mustache, 0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.240 I am going to get really on my lip game 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.159 because there's so much more shaping that I can do 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.280