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Speaker 1: My Beauty Secret, Vengeance. My beauty secret is literally estrogen.

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Speaker 1: still on vacation, you know, we're like just vibing this August.

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Speaker 1: So this episode is going to be a little lighter,

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Speaker 1: but we're going to be talking about something that's like

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Speaker 1: a little more ephemeral than our usual topics. And today

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about beauty. I think you and

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Speaker 1: I are two people who have very different but um

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Speaker 1: important relationships with beauty, certainly with beauty products, Taurus placements, yes,

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Speaker 1: tourist placements. Um. Can you like track in your life

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Speaker 1: And I don't mean kind of in the way of just, um,

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Speaker 1: But I think, um, I guess the idea of beauty

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Speaker 1: that I have always been interested in is like when

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Speaker 1: you start investing in what you look like. And I

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Speaker 1: don't mean just financially, although obviously that's a huge part

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Speaker 1: um into what you look like. That's a really good question.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I have a crystal clear answer,

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Speaker 1: but I maybe maybe not an answer to your question,

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Speaker 1: but maybe an early something that is something that I

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Speaker 1: actually have on a home video somewhere is me. I'm

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Speaker 1: like maybe like two years old or one or two,

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Speaker 1: my face like this, like being like what the fuck

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Speaker 1: did you just do to me? And being like I

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Speaker 1: will not not be beautiful. You know. What I mean

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Speaker 1: you should have done is you should have rubbed it

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Speaker 1: we do one together on three one two three? Hello?

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Speaker 1: I think we just got up. I think we got

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Speaker 1: some peaks there. Um my, um my point. My point being,

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Speaker 1: is something that I'm constantly striving for, if not accomplishing,

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Speaker 1: which I accomplish it often. Um, what about you, Rose, Like,

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Speaker 1: do you think you have like a formative devotion to

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Speaker 1: beauty or like an early memory of beauty? Yeah, my

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Speaker 1: mama told me when I was young in the glass

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Speaker 1: But I also think it's honest to say that for

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Speaker 1: most of my life, beauty and maybe like the truest

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Speaker 1: thought about until I was presenting as female. Like I

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Speaker 1: think a mob people generally not to make a mass generalization,

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Speaker 1: but it's just something we're taught to care less about

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Speaker 1: or taught or socialized to think that it is. It's

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Speaker 1: not something that's for us. Beauty is something that is

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Speaker 1: not for us. We are cultured to just I don't know,

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Speaker 1: to our devil Wares product episode and other things we

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Speaker 1: also your armor. It is the thing that you wear

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Speaker 1: to people who you are, but also to safeguard you,

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Speaker 1: you know, like as marginalized people. Sometimes beauty is one

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Speaker 1: beauty is pain. Beauty is pain, and I have I

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Speaker 1: have gone through a lot of pain for beauty. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, that reminds me of laser tomorrow. I need

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Speaker 1: think that growing a mustache was something I did specifically

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Speaker 1: like how much like surgery you get, how many ways

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Speaker 1: with your gender? Like you know, like it's very loaded

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Speaker 1: thing is, it's not fundamental. It's it's just hair exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's just told us hair is everything. Hair is everything.

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Speaker 1: But like, there's just a lot of people, and I

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Speaker 1: And I find that like when I try too hard

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Speaker 1: myself a little sprits of something before I leave the house.

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Speaker 1: My go two cents of the moment are I do

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Speaker 1: really love Glossier you um love, which is so like

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Speaker 1: kind of muskie, a little like peppery um. It's a

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Speaker 1: cult favorite for a reason. Avorite um, I love the UM.

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Speaker 1: I tried a bunch of different La Labo sense because

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Speaker 1: I know everyone who's like such a fucking boner for

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Speaker 1: La Labo, and none of the like really popular ones

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Speaker 1: really worked for me. But the Bergamot scent, it's so good.

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Speaker 1: It's so like fresh and citrusy and like honestly like

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Speaker 1: almost a little like androgynous or like maybe a little

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Speaker 1: more masculine. It's it's like not like sweet and floral,

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Speaker 1: but it's so good. Which, by the way, whoever you

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Speaker 1: are in the world, pick the subtle perfume, like, don't

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Speaker 1: pick the crazy like very strong, like multiple sense like

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Speaker 1: like scent, you know what I mean. Like, I feel

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Speaker 1: like we all have very specific pheromonal responses to certain sense.

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Speaker 1: And I know some girls that just like really commit

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Speaker 1: to the nastiest thing. I know I actually got when

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Speaker 1: I got the Bergama Labo perfume. I also bought the

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Speaker 1: jasmine one, and I bought small packages of each and

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Speaker 1: I had smelled them in the store, but I hadn't

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Speaker 1: smelled them on myself. And then when I make de

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Speaker 1: Garde jasmine on myself, it I thought I was going

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Speaker 1: to vomit. It did not mix well with my body chemistry.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I returned it, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was it was awful. It was disgusting. But um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love. I love. I think smelling good is the

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Speaker 1: height of luxury, like because I always notice it. It's

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Speaker 1: my favorite compliment to give and to get, like if

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Speaker 1: you give someone a hug or an air kiss, And

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Speaker 1: I love to say to someone, I mean, if it's true,

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Speaker 1: Like I love telling someone, oh my god, you smell

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Speaker 1: so good because it is the thing that I noticed

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Speaker 1: more than anything. And also sent is tied to memory. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: And I think that if you being memorable, and I like,

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Speaker 1: I think that if you find a signature scent that

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Speaker 1: is very you that no one else has because like

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Speaker 1: don't get the like don't get Santale thirty three, you

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Speaker 1: know what I don't. Yeah, it doesn't. And if it's

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Speaker 1: that's the thing is like if you're just getting what

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Speaker 1: everyone else is getting, like you smell like nobody. But

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Speaker 1: I I love um A Dosan by Diptique. I also

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Speaker 1: love glosses by dit Um. It's so soft and feminine

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Speaker 1: and beautiful. It's a great white floral um moment. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I just love like putting coconut oil in my hair

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Speaker 1: and like smelling like that. Or sometimes I love just

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Speaker 1: the smell of you know, um, you know if I

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Speaker 1: like burn some Polo santo and like it's kind of

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Speaker 1: lingering on my clothes. Although that's I also love the

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Speaker 1: Noo Botanics rooted oil that smells like Polo santo. I

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Speaker 1: love that rooted oil. I love um, just putting on

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Speaker 1: some everyday oil that has a real, beautiful, subtle scent

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Speaker 1: to it. Honestly, really good deodorant sometimes can really do it.

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Speaker 1: Like I have a really great Baxter deodorant that I

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Speaker 1: get compliments on all the time. And I know that

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Speaker 1: a lot of queers don't like wearing deodorant, but like

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Speaker 1: I think, I think you should. I think you should.

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Speaker 1: I think culturally we should all move on to deodorant,

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Speaker 1: even if you even if it's your kink, it's not

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Speaker 1: everybody's king. I'm there's some there, there are some I get.

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Speaker 1: Some people really like their natural musk, and I like

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Speaker 1: it too, Like I love if I'm hooking up with someone.

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Speaker 1: I love sniffing a pit. I love licking a pit.

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Speaker 1: But sitting next to someone at a restaurant and being

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Speaker 1: able to smell them is not not good. This is

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Speaker 1: kind of a stupid anecdote, But I was once invited.

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Speaker 1: I had these very weird friends that had this like

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Speaker 1: insane brown Stone in Brooklyn that they would have crazy

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Speaker 1: events at all the time because they were all like

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Speaker 1: mad scientists, like media makers, and they once I was

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Speaker 1: once invited to a Pheromone party. We everyone but hosted

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Speaker 1: by pheromone UM where everyone at the party. It was

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Speaker 1: probably I don't know how many people were there, but

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Speaker 1: like I don't know, maybe like a dozen or two people.

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Speaker 1: Everyone had to bring an item of clothing, probably like

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Speaker 1: a shirt that they had worn for at least a

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Speaker 1: day or two, and they bring it and they're you know,

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Speaker 1: itemized and made anonymous, and everyone would go around in

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Speaker 1: a circle and smell each other's shirts and try to

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Speaker 1: match with someone based on what pheromones they would respond

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Speaker 1: to and and talk about what they what they smelled

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Speaker 1: or what they liked about it or whatever. And it

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Speaker 1: was and I didn't I wasn't there, but I had

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Speaker 1: I heard fascinating things because some people would be like

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Speaker 1: some people would smell the shouldn't be like this smells rancid, disgusting,

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Speaker 1: I'm almost going to vomit. And with the same scent,

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Speaker 1: other people would be like this is so hot and

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Speaker 1: like I am immediately turned on, or like I love

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Speaker 1: this scent, or like you know what I mean, like

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Speaker 1: everyone it's it's really about pheromones. And yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious. Maybe we should have a pheromones party

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Speaker 1: ross Maybe UM no, homo, but fran you are one

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Speaker 1: of the most beautiful people I know, and I want

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Speaker 1: it's just to end on a nice note. And I

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Speaker 1: did want to tell you that Rose, you are one

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Speaker 1: of the most beautiful people I know. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: saying that You're welcome. I felt real when I said

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Speaker 1: it's real when you said it. I'm really bad at

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Speaker 1: sounding sincere. It's because my voice is naturally sarcastic. No,

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Speaker 1: it's just because I hate myself. That's why. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for listening. We'll be back soon with you know,

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Speaker 1: our normal episodes. Um, but until then, you know, keep listening,

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Speaker 1: at like a virgin. Big thank you to our producer

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Speaker 1: Phoebe and everyone at my heart and see you soon.

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