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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: There's a party watching the Kansas City Chiefs. And who

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Speaker 2: wouldn't everybody wants to see Taylor Swift right, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: everybody wants to see the Chiefs win. So four diehard

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Speaker 2: fans get together and they watch the game. So how

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Speaker 2: did three of them end up dead on the porch

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Speaker 2: in the backyard? Focus on porch right outside the door.

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Speaker 2: You can see it. How did three of the friends

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Speaker 2: end up dead? And the fourth friend claims he was

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Speaker 2: quote asleep for two days. He was asleep for two days.

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Speaker 2: He never went outside and saw the dead body. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I means he grace. This is Crime Stories. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Sirius

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Speaker 3: What do we know? Listen?

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Speaker 4: On January eighth, friends and family of David Harrington, Ricky Johnson,

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Speaker 4: and Clayton mcginney are concerned about their friends. The last

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Speaker 4: they knew is they were headed to Jordan willis house

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Speaker 4: to watch the game. But now none of the guys,

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Speaker 4: including Jordan Willis, are replying to messages on social media

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Speaker 4: or by phone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, January eight, it's cold. They are partying

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Speaker 2: at Jordan's home. Jordan willis the homeowner. They're watching the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs and the next thing you know, three or dead

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Speaker 2: and one claims he's been asleep for days with me

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Speaker 2: an all Star panel. But first I want to go

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Speaker 2: to the woman who has been breaking news about the

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Speaker 2: story from the get go. It's Jen Smith and she

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Speaker 2: is joining us from dailymail dot com. And that's where

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Speaker 2: I first found out about this, and it really does

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Speaker 2: hit me in the face.

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Speaker 3: This guy, Jordan Willis, I mean, he's no idiot. Is

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Speaker 3: that he a scientist.

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Speaker 2: He's a young guy, big Kansas City Chiefs fan, but

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Speaker 2: he's smart.

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Speaker 3: He's really smart.

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Speaker 2: I don't get how he sleeps for how many days

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Speaker 2: while his friends are dead in the backyard.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean very very fishy, to say the least.

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Speaker 5: Jordan Willis, as you rightly point out, is an accomplished scientist,

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Speaker 5: done loads of research into HIV and aids lots of

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Speaker 5: research into COVID nineteen very accomplished guy, no form of record,

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Speaker 5: living in the home in Kansas City, Missouri. He had

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Speaker 5: gone to high school with two of the three men

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Speaker 5: who were later found dead, was friends with the other

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Speaker 5: for many years. Seemingly a completely normal guy. He lived

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Speaker 5: alone in the house. He works from home. He had

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Speaker 5: his two beloved pet bills there.

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Speaker 3: How many pets does he.

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Speaker 5: Have is two pit bill mixes. They're called Sadie and Daisy.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Sadie and Daisy don't have to t t for

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Speaker 2: what seventy two hours?

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Speaker 5: Well, on this particular night, then the Daisy and Sadie

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Speaker 5: weren't in the host. According to Jordan Willis, they were

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Speaker 5: at his father's host, which he says is something that

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Speaker 5: is totally routine. He often sends them to his father's side,

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Speaker 5: so they weren't actually there, he claimed. When all of

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Speaker 2: Okay, James shell Nutt joining me, high profile lawyer and

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Speaker 2: joining us out of Alabama twenty seven years metro major

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Speaker 2: case and a big city former SWAT now leads the

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Speaker 2: shell Nut Law firm. James shell Nutt, let me remind you,

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Speaker 2: defense attorney, there is no father son privilege like attorney

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Speaker 2: client or priest parishioner, no such thing. You know, husband wife,

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Speaker 2: The wife can't blab that the husband did it. So

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying is if this is true or not

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Speaker 2: true about the dogs being at the dad's house when

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Speaker 3: He's got to testify.

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Speaker 6: If called, Absolutely, he's got to testify. And you know,

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Speaker 6: he can be suppended in front of a grand jury.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't have to talk to Investigators might come to

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Speaker 6: his house, but they can most certainly down the road

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Speaker 6: if it becomes necessary, subpoening him to a grand jury,

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Speaker 6: and then he will be forced to testify unless he

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Speaker 3: Now you know, Shechelle Nutt.

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Speaker 2: I never discuss politics because I don't want crime and

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Speaker 2: crime victims to become some kind of political football. But

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Speaker 2: when this reality of the law came to the forefront

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Speaker 2: the mother's gonna have to testify.

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Speaker 3: That's wrong. Illegal. It's not.

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Speaker 2: It is not illegal. Mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers. They have

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Speaker 2: tell the truth about their relative, their son, their daughter.

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Speaker 2: So that's when it came to the forefront, harsh as

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Speaker 2: the dad won't lie under oath. I mean, take a

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Speaker 2: look at Casey Anthony top mom. Her mother, Cindy Anthony,

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Speaker 2: she I believe perjured herself and took the heat, claiming

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Speaker 2: that she made the searches for homemade chloroform, which she

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Speaker 2: said she meant to type chlorophyl. Okay, whatever that said,

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Speaker 2: she still got called to the stand. So if what

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith is telling us, chief investigative reporter at dallymail

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Speaker 2: going to be a questioned. But back to the three

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Speaker 2: dead bodies. Listen to Sidney Sumner from Crime on Line.

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Speaker 7: On Tuesday, January ninth, nine to fifty one pm, Clayton

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Speaker 7: McGhee's fiance shows up at the house. She sees the

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Speaker 7: cars in the driveway, and since nobody is answering the

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Speaker 7: and screams Willis's name. She has had no communication with

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Speaker 7: her partner for two days and she wants answers. She

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Speaker 3: Holy moly.

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Speaker 2: So the fiance has been trying to reach all of

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Speaker 2: these guys. Let me understand Jess Smith joining us dailymail

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Speaker 2: dot com. Did she just call her fiance Clayton mcghiney,

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Speaker 2: or does she try to reach the homeowner, Jordan Willis olive.

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Speaker 5: Abus She tried to reach Clayton. She tried to reach

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Speaker 5: Jordan Willis. The other families also tried to reach him

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Speaker 5: before the fiance eventually went the house on and she

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Speaker 5: families have gone there and bind on the door. I

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Speaker 5: tried to get in. They sent Jordan Willis basbook messages,

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Speaker 5: they call them, all of which they received silence for all.

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Speaker 5: So it wasn't as if this was her first attempt.

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Speaker 2: Including calling all the friends, all four of them, including

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Speaker 2: the home owner. And I'm not calling him the per

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Speaker 2: up with fiance going through that breaking in. I mean,

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Speaker 2: she sees the cars out front, she sees that they're

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Speaker 2: let's pick it up. But how did the whole thing start? Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's freeze the screaming fiance in time.

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Speaker 3: How did this day start off? Listen?

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Speaker 4: January seven is a football day for the Kansas City Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: as they will be playing the Los Angeles Chargers, So

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Speaker 4: thirty eight year old Jordan Willis a couple of buddies

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Speaker 4: time for the three twenty five pm Central Time kickoff.

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Speaker 4: They enjoy the game as the Chiefs beat the Chargers

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Speaker 4: all get tickets for the next home game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what happens?

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Speaker 6: Then?

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Speaker 7: After the game, Jordan Willis waves the guys off and

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Speaker 7: crashes on the couch. Willis is known two of the

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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, Back to you, Jenn Smith joining us

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Speaker 2: from Daily Mail. He leaves the doors unlocked, but when

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Speaker 5: Very very strange, and I want to go back to

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Speaker 5: his story about when he goes to sleep, Wendy leave.

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Speaker 5: This has changed quite a few times since this story

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Speaker 5: came across all of our guests. Now he has an

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Speaker 3: Yet, wait a minute, did you say he's lawyered up?

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Speaker 5: He is lawyered up, Nancy. Okay, So initially he claimed

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Speaker 5: I left them all to hang out in the living

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Speaker 5: And that's when he's claiming there was Whatever happened happened.

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Speaker 5: But this timeline is very strange and it's changed a lot.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he says, I asked him, well, how did

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Speaker 5: they get back in if you've gone to bed. Oh,

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Speaker 5: I left the doors unlocked, but like you right, literally

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Speaker 5: point out when the fiance shows up two days later,

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Speaker 3: Okay, he's right. One of the stories.

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Speaker 2: Is that they watched the game, they made plans to

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Or did see saying they left and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. The initial story was, and this is

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Speaker 5: I misspoke. What I meant to say was he waved

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Speaker 5: must have come back somehow. So that's a very significant

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Speaker 1: Time stories with me.

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Speaker 3: You know what's interesting to doctor Jory L.

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Speaker 2: Craften joining US psychologist's former law enforcement now faculty at

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Speaker 2: Saint Leo University and consultant with the blue Wall Institute,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jory, thank you for being with us. You know,

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Speaker 2: I remember distinctly, crystal clear, the last time I saw

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Speaker 2: He held his left arm out of his car on

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Speaker 2: his way back where he lived in Athens and waved

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Speaker 2: at me. That's the last time I saw him. I

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Speaker 2: remember the last time I saw my dad before he

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Speaker 2: passed away. But this guy seems to have a hard

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Speaker 2: time remembering exactly when he saw his friends alive. They're

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's I would take two different perceptions of this.

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Speaker 8: You know that he's changing his story as one and

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Speaker 8: he may have used like a sleep aid, you know,

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Speaker 8: and the sleep aid helps him go to sleep, but

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Speaker 8: it also kind of affects memory, the ability to form memories,

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Speaker 8: a lot of research about ambient behavior, people falling asleep,

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Speaker 2: Jenna Smith dalimil dot com. Is there any mention of

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Speaker 5: Nothing so far in antsy. So one of the questions

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Speaker 3: He refused to answer, but so far, nothing about any

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Speaker 3: Let's just say, Robertessen.

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Speaker 5: No, nothing like that.

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Speaker 2: I mean nabanaderil, no.

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Speaker 5: Mention of anything. He did mention that they had been drinking,

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Speaker 5: but nothing about any kind of sleep aid or other

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Speaker 2: Is anyone remembering this so called cough syrup killer who

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to hour cut seventeen. This is Matthew

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Speaker 9: Nine to one one that exactly what happened.

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Speaker 10: I think that's true love?

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Speaker 8: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 11: What happened?

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Speaker 10: I have a dream and then I turned on the

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Speaker 8: How how.

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Speaker 10: I'm I'm hind of blood all over me and there's

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Speaker 3: Do you think you did it?

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Speaker 6: Hell?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you did it? Listen.

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Speaker 11: Okay, she is? She awaken? All right?

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Speaker 8: Now?

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Speaker 11: What makes you think she's dead? If she?

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Speaker 8: Wait?

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Speaker 10: She thought? Pretty good?

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Speaker 11: Okay, oh lord god, okay, do you think he is God?

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Speaker 11: Beyond any help? I'm too scared to get too close

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Speaker 11: I'm mom, I'm here with you. I'm here with you.

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Speaker 2: Scared, I'm scared. Yes, Sidney, you better roll your eyes.

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Speaker 2: She rolled her eyes. It's the same time I rolled

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Speaker 2: my eyes. Hey, can you find out how many times

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Speaker 8: Her? Said?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: But wait, wait wait wait, but before you do that,

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Speaker 2: it ain't over yet. Have you noticed how calm he is? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think she's dead, but I'm afraid to touch her. Really.

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Speaker 3: Okay, more, when did you?

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Speaker 11: When did you wake up? I don't know.

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Speaker 10: I took more medicine than I should have.

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Speaker 11: What madeicin ADP.

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Speaker 10: That's a that's a course. Eating cost some cold corse

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Speaker 10: So a lot of times I can't sleep at night.

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Speaker 2: All right, okay, repertising you're not guilty, course, and HP

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Speaker 2: you're on the docket. Sydney found out for me how

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Speaker 2: many times he had stabbed his wife? Does anybody just

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Speaker 2: wild guess how many times?

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Speaker 3: Don't look it up?

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Speaker 11: I'm not looking it up?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm guessing twenty four?

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Speaker 2: Okay, good guess, because I was thinking nineteen. Doctor Kendall Crowns.

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Speaker 2: You haven't looked it up?

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Speaker 8: Have you?

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Speaker 10: I have not?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I had a feeling that laid back doctor Kendl

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Speaker 2: Crowns had not looked it up. Just give me a

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Speaker 2: wild guess. How many times Mark did he stab his

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Speaker 2: wife while he was asleep? And for those of you

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Speaker 2: that can't see me, I'm absolutely using air quotes.

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Speaker 3: How many times?

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Speaker 2: Just throw it out there are Dodtor Crown's, Uh.

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Speaker 3: Good guess one hundred and twenty three?

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Speaker 2: Oh, only one hundred and twenty three stab woods and

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Speaker 2: he slapped through the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to.

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Speaker 2: Dave matt Yeah right climeboline dot com.

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Speaker 12: Matthew Phelps is a twenty nine year old Bible College

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Speaker 12: he took some cold medicine with corus sedon and went

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Speaker 12: to sleep. When he woke up, his wife was dead

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Speaker 12: been stabbed more than one hundred times, and even though

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Speaker 12: police find out Phelps has told friends he wonders what

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Speaker 12: it would be like to kill someone and he likes

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Speaker 12: to take cold medicine for fun. Phelps has charged with

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Speaker 12: medicine defense, he pleads guilty and his sentence to life

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Speaker 2: So doctor Jory crawls and I'm so glad that you

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Speaker 2: brought up. Maybe he had what bemadrill. Yeah, don't care,

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Speaker 2: don't care. And as Jenn Smith is telling us, there's

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Speaker 2: been no mention of any sleep aid whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: So let's get back to what really happened.

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Speaker 2: Who is this guy who is the homeowner as he

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Speaker 2: has been described, Jordon Willis take a listen to investigative

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Speaker 13: Jordan Willis is an HIV researcher and protein scientist who

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Speaker 13: Willis is an accomplished scientist whose research into COVID and

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Speaker 13: HIV has been praised in the medical world. In interviews,

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Speaker 13: he describes his two pitbull mixes, Sadie and Daisy, as

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Speaker 2: Okay, joining me is a renowned medical examiner, the chief

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Speaker 2: medical Examiner inter County That's Fort Worth Lecturer, University of

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Speaker 2: Crown's Doctor Crown, thank you for being with us. What

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Speaker 14: A protein scientist they they are the people that work

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Speaker 14: with developing immunizations and things of that nature. They're working

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Speaker 2: Okay, could you just stop right there. I learned a

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Speaker 2: lot of Latin phrases in law school, but nothing about

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Speaker 2: what you just said. What just slow down speed limit

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Speaker 3: Okay please?

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Speaker 14: What protein scientists is basically someone who is looking at

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Speaker 14: They're often associated with developing immunizations and figuring out how

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Speaker 2: He sounds brilliant, right to figure out to research and

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Speaker 2: develop advancements in COVID nineteen immunizations and vaccines and for HIV.

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Speaker 2: I mean, am I getting that right?

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Speaker 3: Jen Smith?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Exactly that. That was a huge mind his research. He's

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Speaker 2: Okay, so can we get back to the free dead

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Speaker 2: Take a listen now to our friend Nicole parton Crime Online.

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Speaker 4: Seeing a body on the back porch, still screaming. Jordan

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Speaker 4: Willis's name, Clayton mcguinnea's fiance, calls police. Officers arrived to

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Speaker 4: find Willis in his underwear with an empty glass of

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Speaker 4: two bodies were then found in the backyard. Jordan Willis

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Speaker 2: Okay, justin, Boardman joining me, Former Detective West Valley CDPD

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Speaker 2: Special Victims Unit now with Boardman training and consulting. Ma'am, Justin,

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Speaker 2: you're joining us out of Kansas. Was there what was

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Speaker 2: there any snow on that day that would have been

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Speaker 11: You know there was some snow.

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Speaker 9: The reports say that there was like an inch or two,

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Speaker 2: You will, okay, let me absorb what you just said,

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Speaker 2: because if there were three feet of snow and there

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Speaker 2: the homeowner, Jordan.

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Speaker 3: Willis didn't see it. Did you say a skiff?

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Speaker 9: A what a skiff? A skiff so an intersue of snow,

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Speaker 3: It, much less one on the back porch.

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Speaker 9: Right, especially one on the back porch. And then others

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Speaker 9: It's pretty plain.

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Speaker 2: Is that true? Jen Smith is justin Borman? Correct, he's

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean it was pretty I think the temperature

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Speaker 2: I think, why would they just be out there for

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Speaker 5: No, we don't, And obviously this is going to really

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Speaker 5: and that could explain a huge amount. But right now,

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Speaker 2: I don't know that it's really explaining anything for me,

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Speaker 2: That would not induce them to stay out in freezing

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Speaker 2: what more do we know? Listen?

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Speaker 12: On Monday, January eighth, Jordan Willis claims he did not

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Speaker 12: take his dogs, Sadie and Daisy outside to do their business,

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Speaker 12: but they're all staying at his dad's place without having

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Speaker 12: for any reason. Jordan Willis doesn't realize his buddy's cars

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Speaker 2: Let me understand something, Jen Smith joining us from dailymail

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Speaker 2: So when the cops get there, he saunterers in in

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Speaker 2: his boxer shorts holding a glass of wine.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's holding an empty wineglass. Now, the victims family

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Speaker 5: But he is, you know, by the looks of things,

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Speaker 5: When the police arrives, he lets them in and they

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Speaker 2: And that's January ninth, correct, that's January ninth, Yes, And.

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Speaker 3: The party was January seventh.

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Speaker 5: Party begins at nine pm on January seventh. We know

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Speaker 5: to bed at around two am, So we have all

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Speaker 5: day on of course, the remainder of the night January

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Speaker 5: seventh and eighth, all day January eighth, the night of

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Speaker 5: January eighth, and then the final discovery is on January

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Speaker 5: ninethe in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Man, that'd be all over this looking for receipts.

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Speaker 2: I'll be looking for.

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Speaker 3: A digital record.

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Speaker 2: What about a James shell Nutt you are a former

452
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Speaker 2: cop before you turn defense attorney, I would be all

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Speaker 2: up in his text. Did he order in, did he

454
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Speaker 2: do an instacart? Did he leave? Did he leave the home?

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Speaker 2: He didn't see his friend's car still part there. I'm

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Speaker 2: just having a hard time believing this.

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Speaker 6: I agree one hundred percent. Did he communicate with anybody

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Speaker 6: at all? Number two? You know, when you think about

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Speaker 6: phones nowadays and technology nowadays, a lot of times you

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Speaker 6: can tell if someone actually reads your text. So, even

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Speaker 6: if he didn't proactively contact anyone, is there any indication

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Speaker 6: that he read other people's messages they received, whether it's

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Speaker 6: on Facebook, whether it's on his phone or some other methods.

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Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right about those messages. I was thinking,

465
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Speaker 2: did he go out for pizza, did he leave the house?

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Speaker 2: Did he go to an ATM? But we know more now.

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Speaker 2: Listen to Rachel Benia and Dave Mackett Crime Online.

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Speaker 13: As news starts to spread of the three friends freezing

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Speaker 13: to death in the backyard while their friend is asleep inside,

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Speaker 13: the families of the victims begin to speak out and

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Speaker 13: ask questions. The biggest question for Jordan Willis is what

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Speaker 13: happened next?

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Speaker 11: Was?

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you.

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Speaker 13: Answer calls, text messages and social media messages from family

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Speaker 13: and friends of the three.

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Speaker 12: Men, the Daily Mail reports. Willis insists he spent the

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Speaker 12: next two days in his home, not thinking anything of

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Speaker 12: the fact that his friends cars were still outside, and

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Speaker 12: only learned they died when the fiance of one of

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Speaker 12: the men, broke into the house on January ninth in

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Speaker 12: the hopes of finding him.

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Speaker 2: The changing stories are a problem, and Jenn Smith Daily Mail,

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Speaker 2: do we know, as shall not pointed out, whether he

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Speaker 2: was reading those texts and those online messages.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, this is going to be huge once

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Speaker 5: it's properly probe. He says that he did not see them.

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Speaker 5: We don't know yet. The messages predominantly were on Facebook Messenger,

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Speaker 5: which you can tell whether or not someone has read

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Speaker 5: your message. Now, the families haven't indicated specifically whether or

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Speaker 5: not they got that you know, read receipt, but you could,

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Speaker 5: for the sake of argument, see that the relatives of

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Speaker 5: you know, your dead friend, we're trying to contact you,

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Speaker 5: just not simply not open the message. We don't know

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Speaker 5: is the answer to your question that see whether or

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Speaker 5: not he opened the messages. All we know is he

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Speaker 5: says he didn't see them, and only saw them after

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Speaker 5: the police came to the film on January ninth and

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Speaker 5: the bodies were fine.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious as to what his reaction was when he

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Speaker 2: realized all three of his friends are dead.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's been he himself actually has not spoken to

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Speaker 5: the media. He has actually moved out of this house now,

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Speaker 5: he's deleted all of his social media accounts. So all

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Speaker 5: of the communication about how he's feeling, what he's thinking

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Speaker 5: is coming through this attorney. And the attorney tells me

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Speaker 5: that he is, you know, devastated, actiously awaiting more information

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Speaker 5: from the police about how his friends died, consistence that

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Speaker 5: he wanted no harm to come to them, that they

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Speaker 5: had the plans to go to the next chief game.

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Speaker 5: But he himself is yet to make any kind of

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Speaker 5: public statements or give any interviews about this. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think all of us have so many answered questions

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Speaker 5: that if he just answered them with the truth, it

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Speaker 5: would explain a lot. But he hasn't said anything. He's

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Speaker 5: relying on his attorney to do the.

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Speaker 2: Talking for I find that curious as well. I'm also

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Speaker 2: curious if he's going to show up at their funerals. Guys,

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Speaker 2: it's not the first time someone claims they slept through

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Speaker 2: a death. Take a listen to our cut sixteen from

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Speaker 2: Crime Online.

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Speaker 12: Forty two year old Barbara Woods is at home and

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Speaker 12: bed asleep with her husband when her son in law,

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Speaker 12: Kenneth Parks sneaks into the bedroom, stabs and chokes her.

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Speaker 12: Husband then turns his rage on her, using a tire

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Speaker 12: iron to beat her about the head and a knife

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Speaker 12: to stab her four times, causing her death. Parks is

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Speaker 12: charged with the murder, and at trial, his attorney claims

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Speaker 12: that on the night of the killing, Kenneth Parks was

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Speaker 12: plunged into a deep, deep sleep. His next memory is

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Speaker 12: seeing his mother in law's face. The attorney said he

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Speaker 12: then regained consciousness and fled the house and drove to

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Speaker 12: a nearby police station. According to his attorney, the twenty

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Speaker 12: four year old Kenneth Parks was sleepwalking as he drove

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Speaker 12: the fourteen miles to his mother in law's house and

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Speaker 12: killed her in bed, wounding his father in law. The

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Speaker 12: jury agreed and Parks was acquitted.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Barbara Woods at home asleep with her husband, her son

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Speaker 2: in law, drives fourteen miles.

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Speaker 3: To their home.

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Speaker 2: He says, in his sleep, murders the mother in law

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Speaker 2: and father, beating them with a tire iron, killing the

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Speaker 2: mother in law, wounding the father in law, and he

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Speaker 2: was acquitted. That's right, Kenneth Parks. I'm having a hard

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Speaker 2: time letting that so Ken, but there's more.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut twenty one.

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Speaker 12: Living in a three story home in Buffalo, New York,

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Speaker 12: while attending the University of Buffalo, Elena's able and her

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Speaker 12: roommates go to a party at the Sigma Kay fraternity

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Speaker 12: not far from their house. One of the roommates headed

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Speaker 12: home earlier than rest, and by the time Zabel made

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Speaker 12: it back to the house, the door was locked and

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Speaker 12: she didn't have a key. Zabel climbs through a bathroom

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Speaker 12: window and notices a weird smell calling out for her roommate.

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Speaker 12: She doesn't get a reply, but here's heavy breathing and

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Speaker 12: thinks her roommate is asleep, so she goes to betterself.

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Speaker 12: Her roommate isn't sleeping at that very moment, she's being

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Speaker 12: brutally attacked. Hours later, Zabel awakes and finds her roommate

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Speaker 12: clinging to life. Nine one one is called and the

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Speaker 12: roommate is rushed at the hospital, where she spends months

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Speaker 12: in a coma and a recovery that was very long.

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Speaker 12: Many people question why it took so long to call

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Speaker 12: for help. Hours between the attack and the call for help.

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Speaker 12: Four years later, the serial rapist was convicted of rape

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Speaker 12: and attempted.

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Speaker 1: Murder Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Jen Smith.

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Speaker 2: One very disturbing fact of this case three friends dead

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Speaker 2: in the backyard. You don't answer text messages, phone calls

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Speaker 2: for now three days, jan seven, eight and nine when

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Speaker 2: police get there on the ninth. But the changing of

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Speaker 2: the stories that shouldn't change. That what happened should not change,

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith, What is the most disturbing change in the story?

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Speaker 5: I mean, for me, it has to be the fact

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Speaker 5: that initially the story was he left them inside the hose,

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Speaker 5: hanging out downstairs, and then the second iteration of the

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Speaker 5: story is no, no, no, they left. I waved them goodbye,

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Speaker 5: and then at some stage they must have come back.

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Speaker 5: One thing I do want to say, and this goes

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Speaker 5: back to the fact that Jordan Willis hasn't yet spoken

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Speaker 5: to the media himself. Changing stories could be down to

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Speaker 5: a really ill equipped or this incompetent attorney. Right, all

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Speaker 5: we've heard on Jordan Willis's behalf is coming from his attorney.

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Speaker 5: Now as Jordan Willis has his story straight and he's

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Speaker 5: letting his lawyers do all the talking, and the lawyer

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Speaker 5: is changing the story. It's in his best interest to

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Speaker 5: get out there and set the record straight. But if

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Speaker 5: it is the case that he's been changing his story

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Speaker 5: to his lawyer, who has been, you know, contemporaneously changing

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Speaker 5: it to the press, that's going to be hugely problematic

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Speaker 5: for him down the lane. If there's a criminal.

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Speaker 2: Case, guys, he says he slept through the whole thing

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Speaker 2: and had no idea what was going on. But others disagree.

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Speaker 2: Many others disagree. Take a listen to our fourteen with

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Speaker 2: the cole parton.

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Speaker 4: John Piserno, and attorney representing Willis, said his client had

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Speaker 4: no idea his friends were dead until police knocked on

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Speaker 4: his door. The New York Post shared a Facebook post

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Speaker 4: from Kaylee Lettier, who wrote, my husband banged on his

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Speaker 4: door for twenty minutes. Lttier continued, my friend banged on

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Speaker 4: his door and then busted a window and yelled and

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Speaker 4: announced her presence while she's inside and still nothing from him.

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Speaker 4: Then the cops come ten minutes later, and he comes

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Speaker 4: out nonchalant in his boxers with an empty wine glass

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Speaker 4: in hand. Nothing is adding up. Dave Clay and Ricky

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Speaker 4: need and deserve justice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is what I'm trying to figure out Jen Smith.

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Speaker 2: Do the relatives and friends of the victims believe Jordan Willis.

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not, under no circumstances. They say that none

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Speaker 5: of this adds up. They need more information, and they

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Speaker 5: are devastated at the not only their deaths, but the

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Speaker 5: lack of information from him, someone who had apparently been

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Speaker 5: friends with them since they were at high school, who

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Speaker 5: would know their their families. I'm from the police, you know.

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Speaker 5: From the get go, the police said nothing to see here,

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Speaker 5: no foul play. We're going to carry on our investigation.

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Speaker 5: But we have the reason to believe anyone is in danger,

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Speaker 5: nor do we have any reason to believe Jordan Willis

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Speaker 5: did anything wrong making that kind of statement before you

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Speaker 5: have a cause of death. They may have been a

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Speaker 5: bit hasty there, and the families are rightfully questioning why

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Speaker 5: they are so comfortable stating that there is no foul

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Speaker 5: play when the investigation isn't complete. We don't even have

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Speaker 5: a cause of death yet.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kunal Kra's, Chief Medical Examiner, Terrance County Fort Worth.

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Speaker 2: If the bodies became frozen, would that affect finding out

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Speaker 2: a CEO D cause of death?

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Speaker 14: No, Actually, the cooling or the freezing of the bodies

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Speaker 14: will slow down decomposition and actually prevent decomposition so that

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Speaker 14: it will maintain the body itself, so they it won't

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Speaker 14: alter a cause of death at all. One thing you

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Speaker 14: have to think of with three individuals dying suddenly, there

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Speaker 14: has to be a commonality between all three of them

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Speaker 14: in an environmental factor of the fact that they're all healthy.

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Speaker 14: They just can't think that they wouldn't get themselves out

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Speaker 14: of a cold situation. So, you know, could it be drugs?

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Speaker 14: Could it be something else? And you also have to

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Speaker 14: throw in there you have a research scientist and his

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Speaker 14: three friends are all now dead. It's all very odd.

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Speaker 2: Yes, odd. There's definitely smoke, but is there fire? I

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Speaker 2: believe that you can sleep through something a crime happening

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Speaker 2: in the next room or right above you. What about

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Speaker 2: the roommates of the Idaho students in the Brian Coburger

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Speaker 2: murder case.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to Dave Mack.

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Speaker 12: Dylan Mortenson and Bethany Funk were both home when Brian

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Speaker 12: Coberger allegedly snuck into their home in the early morning

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Speaker 12: hours and stabbed Matty Mogan, Kayley Goanzavez, Xanacronodle and Ethan

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Speaker 12: shapen to death in their beds. The New York Posts

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Speaker 12: reported the two women were texting each other while the

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Speaker 12: murders were happening, and Dylan Mortensen came face to face

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Speaker 12: with the killer right after the attack and gave a

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Speaker 12: description of the alleged murderers, saying he was wearing black

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Speaker 12: and had bushy eyebrows. This information caused a lot of

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Speaker 12: online attacks, with people wondering why if they were home

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Speaker 12: and awake during the attacks and Mortensen saw the man

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Speaker 12: dressed in black, why did it take hours before police

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Speaker 12: were called.

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Speaker 3: We're waiting to hear answers to that.

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Speaker 2: There have been a lot of suggestions online amongst trolls

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Speaker 2: that the two surviving roommates actually had something to do

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Speaker 2: with their murders. That's not true. I can emphatically state

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00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: that is not true. These two girls had nothing to

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00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: do with those four murders.

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Speaker 3: But what about this case?

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Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Jory craws In psychologist, former law enforcement now

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00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: faculty Saint Leo University, what do you think.

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Speaker 8: Really, there's got to be a commonality something in their deaths.

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Speaker 8: It maybe like drugs or something, some kind of a

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00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 8: drug de od possibly, But you know, certain types of drugs,

671
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 8: you know, like fentanyl. You could tell from the bodies possibly,

672
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 8: but if they're frozen, they're going to be just kind

673
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 8: of locked in that state.

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00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: No, we don't have any reason to think these guys

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00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: were using drugs.

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Speaker 3: Shall night, What do you think?

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Speaker 11: All right?

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Speaker 6: I'm in total agreement that there's a commonality. You know,

679
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 6: when you talk about drugs, you know, you also talk tell.

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Speaker 2: You know what, forget the commonality? All right, that's not

681
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: really telling me anything. Yes, they probably all were killed

682
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 2: the same way.

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 6: Well, we've talked a lot about drugs.

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00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: I haven't talked a lot about drugs because nobody said

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00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: they were using drugs.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, we've talked about whether or not something

687
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 6: could have been ingested, and the bottom line is that

688
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 6: could be drugs, but it could be a poison as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Am I the only one that sees the

690
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: elephant in the room. A man claims he's totally unaware

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Speaker 2: of search efforts for three of his friends.

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Speaker 3: They are there for three.

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Speaker 2: Days Jan Seven, eight and nine. His story is checking

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00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: they're dead. Was on the back porch, Hello, you can

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Speaker 2: see it from inside. The other two are out in

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Speaker 2: the garden. And he says he knew nothing. What that

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Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me, Jenn Smith, could you help

698
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: me please? I mean, you want me to believe three

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00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: guys go in the backyard and drop dead.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't think that's what happened. And I think

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Speaker 5: what we maybe we're trying to get at here is

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Speaker 5: both could be He could have, you know, lied about

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00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: not knowing anything, and they could have died of some

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00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 5: kind of accidental overdose, you know, different type of recreational

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Speaker 5: drug laced for fence andal PhD synthetic drugs. Is there

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Speaker 5: a scenario in which all of the men are taking drugs,

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Speaker 5: perhaps supplied by Jordan Willis or someone else, in which

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00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 5: the three of them end uh dying and Jordan Willis

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00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 5: panics and doesn't alert anybody. Is that a possibility?

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Speaker 8: We don't know now.

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Speaker 5: I want to emphatively state that the sleeper not saying

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Speaker 5: that that is what's happened, but he could have concealed

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Speaker 5: the fact that his friend died of an a drug

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00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 5: overdose without actually murdering them or doing something more violent

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Speaker 5: to them, just for the take of panic and protecting

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Speaker 5: his science career.

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00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: Well, showing up when police are standing there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, have you ever seen the program Cops, Because

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00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: there'll be a guy sitting in his easy chair in

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Speaker 2: the den throwing back a beer and cops come running

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Speaker 2: through the house and he just watches him go by

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Speaker 2: and keeps watching TV like that's normal. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: guy strolls in in his underwear with a wine glass.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's a good look. One thing that

725
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: is to his defense is that there was no obvious

726
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: sign of foul play on the three bodies. They weren't shot,

727
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: they weren't bludgeoned dead, There was nothing to indicate they

728
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: had been murdered. So how do you wake up and

729
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: your three friends car are parked outside your house. Your

730
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: phones are full of messages and texts looking for your

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00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: three friends in there on your back porch in your garden,

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Speaker 2: and you don't know.

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Speaker 3: How did that happen?

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Speaker 2: Of course, Jordan Willis, through his lawyer, insists he had

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with this, and in our jurisprudent system,

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Speaker 2: he is always presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a

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Speaker 2: reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 3: We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,