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Speaker 1: Bring back the kickoff. Welcome burg Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Zach Gershman joins me. First, we attempt to explain the

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Speaker 1: new kickoff rules, then try to forecast what it may

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Speaker 1: mean for the Cardinals, specifically given what they've done thus far,

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Speaker 1: plus other rules resolutions and Ridder Desmond Ritter. It's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode seven thirty nine, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Bud to Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again.

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Speaker 1: Some more Hurry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Griolo week?

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Speaker 1: And really, when aren't things busy in the NFL? We'll

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Speaker 1: touch on a lot of what happened at the annual

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Speaker 1: league meeting. We're less than thirty days away from the drafts,

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Speaker 1: and the noise ch is only getting louder when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Cardinals and the possibility of trading out

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Speaker 1: of that fourth overall pick. Want to begin, though, if

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Speaker 1: I may with a compliment to you, a tip the

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Speaker 1: cap to Zach Gershman and Matthew Vaski. I liked and

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Speaker 1: I've just liked. I enjoyed the revamped the Pulse that

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Speaker 1: has been posted on our mini social media channel. So again,

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Speaker 1: I don't do it often, but I compliment the work

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Speaker 3: The smile on my face it should be heard through

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Speaker 3: our audio to our audio listeners.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Craig. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Definitely exciting stuff that we're working here with our content team,

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Speaker 3: Matthew Vaski especially spearheading that. From a production standpoint, definitely

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Speaker 3: a lot easier to produce content when you're working with

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Speaker 3: good people. And it's his birthday, so that's why I'll

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Speaker 3: give them that birthday shoutout to compliment as well, but

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Speaker 3: thank you. I appreciate it, because we're definitely looking to

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Speaker 3: engage with our bird Gang listeners and show them what

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Speaker 3: what's going on in the locker room. We get to

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Speaker 3: hear all however, many minutes of these press conferences. This

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Speaker 1: It was done each week during the regular season, but

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Speaker 1: it was done in the radio studio. Now a different

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Speaker 1: many social media channels. It's well done and to your point,

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Speaker 1: it's a week long worth of news and information that

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Speaker 3: Happened right right around that exactly. And it's so fun

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Speaker 3: when you get to you know, when we only have

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Speaker 3: let's intertwine it because these are really the people. We

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Speaker 1: All right, that's your last compliments for I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say the year because you know we're March.

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Speaker 1: So how about the last compliment for the quarter?

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Speaker 1: It has been busy, yes, the new league year beginning

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Speaker 3: And of course, and we see coaches when it's a

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Speaker 3: And that's one of those rule changes that a casual

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Speaker 3: Of course, and when you think about a situation like

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Speaker 3: It's situations like that that as you push the trade

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Speaker 1: The other aspect of the annual league meeting that was

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Speaker 1: But once upon a time, if you were placed on

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Speaker 1: John Gains never even got on the football field. Now, however,

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Speaker 1: So apologize for that. All right. The new kickoff one

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Speaker 3: Here you're right away blocking and you need some speed,

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Speaker 3: you need some shiftiness, you need the ability for somebody

437
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Speaker 3: to get around you. So will Greg Dorsch be out

438
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Speaker 3: there potentially as that second returner. You're kind of assuming

439
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Speaker 3: that DJ Dallas is going to be your main returner,

440
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Speaker 3: considering that's why you would expect to brought him into

441
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Speaker 3: the organization. But it really is going to take away

442
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Speaker 3: opportunities for guys like Zach Pascal. You're going to see

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Speaker 3: them out on these special teams returns a lot more often.

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Speaker 1: Now, looking at the Cardinals who played the most snaps

445
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Speaker 1: on special teams, it was linebackers. So you're talking about

446
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Speaker 1: Zeke Turner, who signed with the forty nine ers Jesse Luketta,

447
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Speaker 1: Victor d McCage, Owen Papo, safeties, Andre Sassier, a Joey Blunt, cornerbacks,

448
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Speaker 1: Antonio Hamilton who remains a free agent, Bobby Price who

449
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Speaker 1: was re signed, and then wide receivers both Dortch and Pascal.

450
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Speaker 1: Those were the players who played the bulk of special teams.

451
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Speaker 1: Tight End Jess Wayne was kind of the outlier as

452
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Speaker 1: far as a tight end being on the football field,

453
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Speaker 1: but as far as kick return and kick coverage, you're

454
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Speaker 1: not gonna need a defensive lineman or an offensive lineman.

455
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Speaker 1: You could save them for punt coverage, punt return, field

456
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Speaker 1: goal kicks, pats and maybe you're saving a little bit

457
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Speaker 1: for them not as many snaps. But we go back

458
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Speaker 1: to what Gannon says, if you have a uniform on

459
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Speaker 1: game day, you're one of those forty seven. You have

460
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Speaker 1: a role. And you might see different players playing special teams.

461
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Speaker 1: More athletic players, more of the skill type players, and

462
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Speaker 1: some of the secondary guys defensively that might wind themselves

463
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Speaker 1: find themselves on special teams maybe a little bit more

464
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Speaker 1: or maybe for the first time in a long.

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Speaker 3: Time, especially on kickoff well when you're kicking off. When

466
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Speaker 3: you're a Matt Praters unit, you're gonna have to have

467
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Speaker 3: a lot of those a lot of strength guys as well,

468
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Speaker 3: because there is not really as much yard separating you

469
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Speaker 3: as opposed to the traditional kickoff that we've come accustomed

470
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Speaker 3: to ever since football has been you know, football. But

471
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Speaker 3: you're gonna have a lot of guys that are gonna

472
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Speaker 3: need to get around because it's more so gonna be

473
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Speaker 3: like a running back.

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Speaker 1: You know you're in.

475
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Speaker 3: Just try to get by that first line of defense,

476
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Speaker 3: get through the trenches, and then it's you and the

477
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Speaker 3: running back right there. In this case, it's gonna be

478
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Speaker 3: a returner, and I think you're gonna see a lot

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Speaker 3: more of than Jesse Lukett is the victor d Mucage's.

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Speaker 1: On the kickoff.

481
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Speaker 3: When it comes to the kickoff returns, it's gonna be

482
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Speaker 3: a little bit different because you're gonna need a little

483
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Speaker 3: bit more athleticism out there.

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Speaker 1: Thinking out loud kickoff coverage. Might you see because you're

485
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Speaker 1: now running downfield, Might you see more a wide receiver

486
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Speaker 1: or a running back trying to get by a defender

487
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Speaker 1: because it feels like pressman coverage. As a wide receiver

488
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Speaker 1: going against a dB being five yards away from each other.

489
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Speaker 1: And then on the kickoff return, you guys you need

490
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Speaker 1: someone that can block. Well, that's linebackers trying to get

491
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Speaker 1: a hold of someone and then shed that block to

492
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Speaker 1: open up a lane and get to that next level.

493
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Speaker 3: But on the flip side that, because there's not as

494
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Speaker 3: much yards between you and the returner if you are

495
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Speaker 3: on that I mean, I agree in terms of the

496
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Speaker 3: kickoff return, you gotta have guys that are able to block.

497
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Speaker 3: But on the flip side of that, you also need

498
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Speaker 3: to have guys that have a lot of power. And

499
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Speaker 3: that's really what you're gonna need. It's because when it

500
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Speaker 3: comes to this return, in my opinion, just the way

501
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Speaker 3: of looking at it, you're gonna need a lot of

502
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Speaker 3: speed to get to the outside or need somebod that's

503
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Speaker 3: gonna be able to block because now there isn't as

504
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Speaker 3: much room and the holes there might not be as many,

505
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Speaker 3: you know, gapping holes if there is, you need somebody

506
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Speaker 3: with speed to get to the outside. So that's why

507
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Speaker 3: I would say the returners in that sense, But when

508
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Speaker 3: you are kicking off, you're gonna need a lot of

509
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Speaker 3: power to get through those guys. So you've got now, Correig,

510
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Speaker 3: I could be completely blowing this off. I have to

511
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Speaker 3: really watch them. XFL Football shout out d Wayne the

512
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Speaker 3: Rock Johnson here.

513
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Speaker 1: I know. We're two WWE guys over here.

514
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Speaker 3: We're gonna see how this one, you know, has worked

515
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Speaker 3: out for them, because initially it was just the social

516
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Speaker 3: media clips. What you see now this is the new

517
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Speaker 3: era of kickoffs in the NFL.

518
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Speaker 1: You got the coverage units on the forty yard line,

519
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Speaker 1: the return units on the thirty five. You catch that

520
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Speaker 1: ball as you're Greg Dortch or DJ Jallis say you

521
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Speaker 1: catch it at the fifteen, Well, in this instance, it

522
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Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me. Much like you stack the box trying

523
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Speaker 1: to stop the run. Well, if you get a running

524
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Speaker 1: back who breaks contain, there's no one gone in the

525
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Speaker 1: secondary here. Much like that, I could see situations where

526
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Speaker 1: if you are a return guy, all you need to

527
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Speaker 1: do and I say this somewhat tongue in cheek, it's easier.

528
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Speaker 1: It's harder than I'm making it sound like. But you

529
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Speaker 1: break one tackle, or you get through a couple of

530
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Speaker 1: different guys. The last line of defense is your kicker,

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Speaker 1: and they're twenty thirty yards away, and all of a sudden,

532
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Speaker 1: it becomes a foot rate you're gonna see. I think

533
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Speaker 1: a lot more returns go for long games, maybe even

534
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Speaker 1: in touchdowns, especially maybe early in the season, because teams

535
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Speaker 1: just aren't used to how do we cover this? And

536
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Speaker 1: then how do we best return these and those coaches

537
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Speaker 1: like hey, Jeff Rogers, and then I'm sure there are

538
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Speaker 1: others that are spending a lot more time this offseason

539
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out this play. Now, who does it better?

540
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Speaker 1: Who comes up with that plan quicker, and all of

541
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Speaker 1: a sudden can exploit it for maybe the first couple

542
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Speaker 1: of weeks before everyone else catches up. I would caution

543
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Speaker 1: fans a little bit in the first few preseason games.

544
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Speaker 1: I think that's what makes these joint practices when the

545
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Speaker 1: Cardinals ultimately do go to whoever that AFC a very

546
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Speaker 1: good opponent is, whatever it is, that's gonna make these

547
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: joint practices so much more worthwhile because you get to

548
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Speaker 1: test out an entirely new rule against guys that are

549
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Speaker 1: not you know, you're not wearing the same cardinal logo

550
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Speaker 1: as so it's gonna make for very interesting and for

551
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Speaker 1: that opportunity to not only have iron sharpens iron, but

552
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Speaker 1: let's learn this rule together in a sense, and there

553
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Speaker 1: are gonna be a lot of explosive returns because there

554
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Speaker 1: is no secondary line of defense.

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Speaker 3: It is going to be Matt Prater. Now, hopefully nobody

556
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Speaker 3: else is going to break through the Cardinals line and

557
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna be able to stop them right there and

558
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Speaker 3: not give him as much of a game. But going

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Speaker 3: back off of my previous point, I think that this unit,

560
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Speaker 3: this Cardinals offense, especially, they pride themselves the wide receivers

561
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Speaker 3: on run blocking.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think you.

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Speaker 3: Should expect to see a lot more wide receivers potentially

564
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Speaker 3: like a Michael Wilson out there because they have improved

565
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Speaker 3: throughout the season. When you have a running back like

566
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Speaker 3: James Conner who's able to break free for a thousand

567
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Speaker 3: yards and not throughout a full season, just the thirteen

568
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Speaker 3: games that he played, you have somebody that's able to

569
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Speaker 3: do that. Your wide receiver's got to be pretty good

570
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Speaker 3: run blockers, So I would expect to see them out

571
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Speaker 3: there as well in these returns.

572
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Speaker 1: You bring up a good point about the joint practices

573
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Speaker 1: and for those that might have missed it, Jonathan Gannon

574
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Speaker 1: at the annual League meeting Orlando this week, said, yeah,

575
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals for the second straight season, we'll do joint practices.

576
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Speaker 1: We just don't know what the team is outside of

577
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: it's going to be an AFC team. But you can

578
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Speaker 1: structure those practices in a controlled environment as opposed to

579
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Speaker 1: a preseason game. Say hey, you meet with the coaches

580
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Speaker 1: a couple of days beforehand week, Hey, we would like

581
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Speaker 1: to work on X, Y and Z. Let's work on

582
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Speaker 1: this together full speed. You know, we don't need to

583
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Speaker 1: know what your plan is. You don't need to know

584
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Speaker 1: what our plan is, but we want to work on

585
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Speaker 1: kickoff return, kickoff coverage based off these new rules. And

586
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Speaker 1: then you got the coaches on the side. You can

587
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Speaker 1: blow that whistle, halt, play, reset, Hey, this is what

588
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Speaker 1: we want, not like this, or that's exactly what we want.

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Speaker 1: You can do that in a joint practice. Can't do

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Speaker 1: that in a preseason game exactly.

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Speaker 3: And when it is the players in your own room,

592
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Speaker 3: there's only so much you could harp on a new

593
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Speaker 3: rule change like this. You got to actually see in action,

594
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Speaker 3: and when you're these preseason games and that joint practice

595
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Speaker 3: is really going to be able to tell when the

596
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Speaker 3: Cardinals how far along they are and understanding this type

597
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Speaker 3: of rule change, and just in general, as the regular

598
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Speaker 3: season kicks off, hopefully you get out the kinks a

599
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Speaker 3: little bit early.

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Speaker 1: The other aspects of this, and I've seen it a

601
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Speaker 1: couple of places, especially on Pro Football Talk is now

602
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Speaker 1: general managers and head coaches talking about how this affects

603
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Speaker 1: their draft prep as far as now all of a sudden,

604
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Speaker 1: are you looking for a different type of player? Are

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Speaker 1: you going to draft maybe an extra safety, an extra

606
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Speaker 1: cornerback at the expense of another position because you see

607
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Speaker 1: that person, that player maybe not so much as your

608
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Speaker 1: third safety, but hey, he's going to play a lot

609
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Speaker 1: on special teams. We like his skill set. He's going

610
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Speaker 1: to be active on game day more in a safety

611
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Speaker 1: or more of a special teams role. And if something

612
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Speaker 1: should happen, knock on what it doesn't, but you need

613
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Speaker 1: that guy because someone gets hurt, well they have a

614
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Speaker 1: uniform on and then they can go play safety.

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Speaker 3: That's where linebackers like Owen Papo are really to excel

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Speaker 3: and succeed. Because Owen wasn't able to see the field

617
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Speaker 3: a lot until the latter half of the season. When

618
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Speaker 3: bicep injuries and all these other injuries were really hurting

619
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals defense and the linebacker you knew with Kaizier White,

620
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Speaker 3: you started to have to rotate through a lot more linebackers.

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Speaker 3: You slid Owen Papo in towards the latter half of

622
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Speaker 3: the season. How did he see the field? It was

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Speaker 3: all through special teams initially, and then when you look

624
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Speaker 3: through his film at Auburn, a lot of his clips

625
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 3: were also from special teams as well. He laid a

626
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: lot of devastating hits as a linebacker when he was

627
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: down there on the planes. But the special teams, you

628
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Speaker 3: have to have a player that loves special teams, and

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Speaker 3: a guy like Owen was able to jump in. Now

630
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Speaker 3: when you're going through this draft process here, you need

631
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Speaker 3: to find a guy that loves special teams because special

632
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: teams aren't just going to be that bathroom break no more.

633
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Speaker 3: There're going to be an opportunity for players to really

634
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Speaker 3: make an explosive play and generate a lot of excitement.

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Speaker 1: Don't let Jeff Rodgers know that perhaps you miss a

636
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Speaker 1: special teams player too, because.

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Speaker 3: I would never personally, I would never, but but you

638
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Speaker 3: have to think about it.

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Speaker 1: How with the stats behind it. Oh yeah, you're kicking off.

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Speaker 1: No one's paying attention.

641
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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, did the eyesight if I'm sure

642
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Speaker 3: if people looked at eyesight, they put the wires on

643
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Speaker 3: somebody and just to see where their eyes were going.

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Speaker 3: I promise you during special teams moments, especially kickoff returns,

645
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Speaker 3: you weren't going to be seeing the action as much

646
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Speaker 3: as you would see a field goal, a pat, a punt,

647
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Speaker 3: whatever it might be. Because of how often touchbacks were

648
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Speaker 3: happening in the NFL this past year.

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Speaker 1: There were only six returns when Matt Prater was kicking off.

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Speaker 1: That's insane. Six. That's insane for a seventeen game season.

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Speaker 1: Six returns. And that's what the NFL is trying to

652
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Speaker 1: bring up as far as the number of kickoffs that

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Speaker 1: you see that you see six in a game as

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Speaker 1: opposed to six all seasons.

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Speaker 3: And look, if that's by design, great, you accomplish exactly

656
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Speaker 3: what you needed to accomplish.

657
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Speaker 1: You might not have won.

658
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Speaker 3: You might not have felt as comfortable with your unit

659
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Speaker 3: trying to make a tackle in the open field to

660
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Speaker 3: make something happen. You might have wanted to just say,

661
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Speaker 3: Matt kick it through the uprights, and let's just get

662
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: our defense trotting out onto the field. Put them there

663
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Speaker 3: at the twenty five. You might have wanted that. Great,

664
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Speaker 3: you accomplished it. That's not going to happen as much

665
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Speaker 3: this year, especially because we look through the stats. The

666
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Speaker 3: Cardinals were near the bottom, if not at the bottom

667
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Speaker 3: for opponent field positioning when they were putting it, it

668
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: was right around the thirty thirty one yard line. Now

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Speaker 3: in this case, you think about it, that's going to

670
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Speaker 3: become the new normal, and you don't want to add

671
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Speaker 3: extra yards on beyond that when it comes to how

672
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Speaker 3: teams attack this specifically come draft time. So if the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals do draft a safety or an inside linebacker and

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Speaker 3: you're questioning why it might be because of this rule

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Speaker 3: and special teams, and you talk about Wallace just a kickoff, Well,

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Speaker 3: if you can improve your field position from the twenty

677
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Speaker 3: five to the thirty one to perhaps now consistently starting

678
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Speaker 3: thirty five and plus, now all of a sudden, you

679
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Speaker 3: just made it easier for the offense and it's a

680
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: shorter feel for them, more difficult for the defense. But

681
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Speaker 3: that's the other thing that was pointed out during the

682
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Speaker 3: annual league meeting. Scoring was down just to Chad, but

683
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Speaker 3: it was down. When things down by a couple of

684
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Speaker 3: points didn't seem like much.

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Speaker 1: That's drastic in the eyes of because you want eyeballs

686
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Speaker 1: on your television sets and scoring cells.

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Speaker 3: And guys like Jonathan Gannon, a defensive minded head coach,

688
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: they take that as as pride. You know, we stopped scoring.

689
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Speaker 3: We stopped them on the defensive front. We did not

690
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Speaker 3: let an offense generate points. Now do we want to

691
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Speaker 3: offense the Cardinals offense to generate a lot more points.

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Speaker 1: You bet you we do.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what they're gonna be hoping for from

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Speaker 3: an offensive perspective. But if you are not scoring points,

695
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Speaker 3: if it's low scoring games, that concerns the NFL. And

696
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Speaker 3: I understand people say it's an offensive minded league, especially

697
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Speaker 3: now we go through the hip drop tackle, and that's

698
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Speaker 3: gonna be that's gonna be the number one rule change

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, that is going to that is going

700
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Speaker 3: to concern a lot of defenders in the beginning half

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Speaker 3: of the season. I think it'll be similar to in

702
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Speaker 3: with the head, A lot of players were able to

703
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Speaker 3: eliminate that as you went towards the latter half of

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Speaker 3: the season once that rule was instilled. But I think

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Speaker 3: in general, if scoring is not there, that concerns the

706
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Speaker 3: league and kickoff returns now this could potentially add to scoring.

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Speaker 3: Anxious to hear coach Jeff Rodgers thoughts on the kickoff

708
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Speaker 3: and what he believes, how he feels to best do

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Speaker 3: it as far.

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Speaker 1: As covering it and returning it. But we've brought up

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Speaker 1: the draft a couple of times, and I know on

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Speaker 1: Thursday of this week you've got the latest mock draft tracker.

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Speaker 1: This is the three point zero third one, so three

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Speaker 1: point oh. Speaking of three point zero, a couple of

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Speaker 1: new mocks. Bucky Brooks released his quarterbacks yesco one, two

716
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Speaker 1: and three Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy at number three.

717
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: Drake May dropped all the way to eleven to the Vikings,

718
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Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks is doing what many people had been doing,

719
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Speaker 1: and that is having Marvin Harrison Junior go to the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals at number four. There was another one, a new

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Speaker 1: one released on Wednesday. ESPN's Matt Miller did a full

722
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Speaker 1: seven round mock. Of course, the headline is how he

723
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Speaker 1: set up his draft quarterbacks again going one, two and three,

724
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Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May in a trade with

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Speaker 1: the Vikings, QB four, JJ McCarthy in a trade with

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. Cardinals make that trade, get the twelfth overall

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Speaker 1: pick plus a future twenty twenty five first round pick

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Speaker 1: and a future twenty twenty six first round pick and

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Speaker 1: a pick number twenty or excuse me, pick twelve. Cardinals

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Speaker 1: get their wide receiver. It's just not Marvin Harrison junior.

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Speaker 1: It's Brian Thompson Junior out of LSU. Did you happen

732
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Speaker 1: to look at that one? Was Malik Neighbors and Rome

733
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Speaker 1: aduonde off the board in that case? Okay, so I

734
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Speaker 1: understand that now there's a chance. I mean, depending on

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Speaker 1: how his pro day and I know LSU had their

736
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Speaker 1: Pro day on Wednesday. Does Brian Thomas Jr. Rise up

737
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Speaker 1: boards or does he slide down? I haven't looked at

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Speaker 1: the numbers.

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Speaker 3: Yet to fully make an estimation, because in some cases

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Speaker 3: some people think that he could slide down or he

741
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 3: could rise and be in that twelve spot. But they

742
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Speaker 3: really are not making it easy for me for this

743
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Speaker 3: mock draft cup tracker, and it's so fascinating because the

744
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: noise is so loud. As we talked about prior, the

745
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: noise is so loud when it comes to the draft,

746
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Speaker 3: everybody thinks they know the right answer. Well, there's only

747
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 3: one person that might have more of an inkling as

748
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: to what the Cardinals are going to do, and that's

749
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Speaker 3: the guy upstairs in Manti Austin for it, because he's

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Speaker 3: the one that really has the keys to it. And

751
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: if Sean Payton said, I know that, that's kind of

752
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: been the Cardinals big takeaway from this media day or

753
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 3: from this annual team meetings has been Sean Payton saying

754
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: it's good to be Monte Austin for right now. And

755
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: I don't blame him, but with that comes a lot

756
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Speaker 3: of pressure. When you're able to bring in two first

757
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 3: round picks next year and then the following year, that's

758
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: pretty solid. And is that worth potentially balking on a

759
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: guy like Marvin Harrison Junior or whoever you want to

760
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: possibly have a number four so you continue.

761
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: To establish draft capital. I don't know. I don't know.

762
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: The fan base is definitely going to be loud one

763
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: way or another. The change that has happened amongst mock

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Speaker 1: drafts early on. Yeah, quarterbacks going one, two and three,

765
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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior to number four to the Cardinals. That's

766
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Speaker 1: been pretty much consistent the first couple of weeks to

767
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Speaker 1: mock drafts. In the last ten days or so, it's

768
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Speaker 1: almost done a one point eighty to where most mock

769
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Speaker 1: drafts have the Cardinals trading out of number four. Why

770
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Speaker 1: is that happening, Well, it's because of what we're hearing

771
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: as far as on the record conversations, whether that's the

772
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: annual league meeting or other on the record conversations. And

773
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: then this these draft experts A Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks

774
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: and mel kiper Jr. Picking up the phone and calling teams.

775
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: What are you hearing? Maybe not about your own team,

776
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: what about you hearing about your fellow NFC West team

777
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: or your fellow AFC North team. And then that's how

778
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: this new mock drafts get put together, based on what

779
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: these guys are hearing. Underneath the FI you will.

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Speaker 3: All of that is true, But I think the biggest

781
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 3: reason why we're hearing this is because Monty said a

782
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: few feet away from exactly where we were, and he

783
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: said he has a giant green blinking cell or not

784
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: blinking because it hurts his eyes, but a giant neon

785
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: sign that says we are open for business. It's not

786
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: normal to see as many gms be as willing and

787
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: as open and as transparent as Mani was in that

788
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 3: moment saying bring it on, we want to hear what

789
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 3: you have to offer. Now he could be saying that,

790
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: and teams will probably and are definitely offering, and he

791
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: has already said that. The phone calls have definitely started

792
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: to pick up a little bit. That is why, because

793
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Speaker 3: I don't think you have as many general managers that

794
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 3: are willing to say hey, we're open for business here

795
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 3: as outwardly as Manti austin Ford did last week.

796
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Speaker 1: Well we saw it a year ago. Third overall pick

797
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: drops to twelve I think, and then comes up to six.

798
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Speaker 1: So it's not like he hasn't done it or shown

799
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Speaker 1: the willingness to move out of a top five selection.

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Speaker 1: And that's a part of it.

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Speaker 3: I think last year, when Monty is his first it's

802
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Speaker 3: his first draft as general manager. He's wheeling and dealing

803
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: and everything like that, and I think people seeing how

804
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: Monty works through that Flight Plan episode. I think people

805
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: seeing it, it's a very It puts a different perspective

806
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 3: a little bit when you get to see a general

807
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: manager in the zone, how they are, you know, contemplating,

808
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: mixing around the boards. Put this over there, put that

809
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 3: over there, this stuff, level out, draft capital space, cap space,

810
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. All these different things are important

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Speaker 3: and they're all part of it. And I think seeing

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00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: Monty work in the way that he did, and seeing

813
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Speaker 3: JG kind of sitting with his legs crossed and being like, man,

814
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Speaker 3: look at him, go, I think that's what makes team

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Speaker 3: so much more willing to say, all right, let's give

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00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: Monty a call, because we see how he's gonna be

817
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Speaker 3: willing to consider it.

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Speaker 1: And how calm Money handled those ten minutes when the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals were on the clock.

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Speaker 3: For me, I was I was still a Penn State

821
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 3: student when these videos came out, you know, and I

822
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Speaker 3: watched that because Schefter tweeted it out, and obviously it

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Speaker 3: got the ratings in the reviews that it did for

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Speaker 3: a reason, because our talented and our content team is

825
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: as spectacular as they are here. Little did I know

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Speaker 3: that back then, as I've gone to learn as well.

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Speaker 3: But seeing how it kind of comes to fruition when

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Speaker 3: a call was made, and how are we thinking about this?

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Speaker 1: What does this mean?

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Speaker 3: These are not just decisions that you know, we'll see

831
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Speaker 3: how it plays out next year. These are generational decisions.

832
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Speaker 3: And Monte seeing how calm he was and how poised

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00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 3: he was, and then how excited they were to bring

834
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Speaker 3: in a guy like Paris Johnson Junior and then to

835
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Speaker 3: see Paris Johnson Junior deliver in the way that he

836
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Speaker 3: did this past season. As a Cardinals fan, you could

837
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Speaker 3: not be more excited for what this could be this

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Speaker 3: year and in the case of a trade, what it

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Speaker 3: could mean for potentially for future years.

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Speaker 1: We are less than thirty days. Give me a wall

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Speaker 1: to run through from the NFL NFL drafts at the

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Speaker 1: end of baseball shock them, Yeah you did? You did?

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Speaker 1: By the way, one more quarterback notes another story upcoming

844
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: on Easycardinals dot com. We had a chance to hear

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Speaker 1: from Cardinals QB two, perhaps the backup to Kyle the

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Speaker 1: Murray Desmond Ridder addressing reporters earlier this week. You're working

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00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: on his story, and I'll say this, the first impression

848
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: is a good one from Rider because I thought He

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00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: was very honest in his assessment on what happened a

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00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: year ago with the Atlanta Falcons, Knowing this offseason that

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00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: the Falcons might make a change. They obviously did, signing

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins and Rider, saying that he did not play

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Speaker 1: his best football, because if he had done that, then

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00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: he might still be in Atlanta, the Falcons might not

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00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: have had a head coaching change, and the Cardinals would

856
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: be looking for someone else to battle Clayton Tone. But

857
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter is here, and I like the honesty and

858
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: just how he feels about coming in here to compete,

859
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: knowing that Kyler is the guy, but he's fil He's

860
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: still taking the approach that I'm the starter, and that's

861
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: how I have to approach it, because you never know

862
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: you're one play away, and that coach says, all right, Desmond,

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00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: get in there.

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Speaker 3: And when I asked him about does his approach change

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Speaker 3: at all knowing that this is really the first time

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Speaker 3: in his career he's going into a season thinking or

867
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Speaker 3: knowing he's not gonna be QB one. When he got

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Speaker 3: drafted to Atlanta, Dad Marcus Mariota, it was a quarterback

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Speaker 3: battle still and then he was sidelined first game, did

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Speaker 3: not play until the last four games of the season

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Speaker 3: as the starter. When he was at Cincinnati, he was

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Speaker 3: the guy. This is the first time where these guys

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Speaker 3: they play, they go throughout their entire life.

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Speaker 1: You've been the guy.

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Speaker 3: You've been the starting quarterback at our Division one program,

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Speaker 3: You've taken us to a college football playoff appearance, all

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Speaker 3: this different stuff, and now you're gonna be on the sidelines.

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Speaker 3: But then again, as he said, it takes four to

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Speaker 3: six seconds for something to change, and in the blink

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Speaker 3: of an eye, and it's kind of how I was

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Speaker 3: thinking about. It's like, in the blink of an eye,

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Speaker 3: so much could change for your franchise, a key moment,

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Speaker 3: a miracle moment, whatever it might be, a kickoff return

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Speaker 3: with the new format, oh whatever it might be. That's

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Speaker 3: also as quick as it could be for Desmond Ridard

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Speaker 3: to step onto the field and take command of the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals huddle. So I appreciated how open and honest he

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Speaker 3: was about it. But he's going into this one to

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Speaker 3: be a sponge, to learn from Kyler Murray, to learn

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Speaker 3: from his younger brother, as he said in Clayton Tune.

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Speaker 3: Even though he's won a couple of championships against him,

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Speaker 3: which he is not gonna be shy to remind him about.

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Speaker 3: I made sure to ask about that. But there's definitely

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Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of opportunities to see what Desmond

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Speaker 3: Rider is able to bring. But there is still gonna

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Speaker 3: be a battle. It's just gonna be for QB two

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Speaker 3: turns twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five in August. Ritter does have that starting experience, which

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Speaker 1: I think both Money and JG like in that quarterback

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Speaker 1: number two. Clayton Tune just has that one start, and again,

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Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna happen in that competition, but you

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Speaker 1: would think based off the experience two years in the

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Speaker 1: league going into year three versus one year in the

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Speaker 1: league going into year two, that Rider would have the

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Speaker 1: upper hand. Clayton Tuon, though, has a year under his

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Speaker 1: belt within this offense. For Ritter it's year one. So again,

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Speaker 1: you hope to never see quarterback number two, but you

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Speaker 1: better have a plan in the event you need it.

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Speaker 1: More than sixty different starting quarterbacks were used in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, more teams are understanding they need a backup plan.

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Speaker 1: Dari say, maybe a play in CEE as well when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: Look, majority of the Cardinals twenty to twenty three season

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Speaker 3: was anchored by a backup quarterback that you've needed to

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Speaker 3: have out there, and Josh Dobbs. You thought it could

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Speaker 3: have been Colt McCoy. Throughout training camp, you knew that

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Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna be QB one. Once Kyler Murray was healthy,

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Speaker 3: then it became a battle between him Clayton Tune. You

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Speaker 3: bring in Josh Dobbs, you part ways with Colt McCoy,

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Speaker 3: Josh Dobbs becomes your guy. He obviously had a really

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Speaker 3: solid stretch in the beginning half of the season and

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Speaker 3: then it started to slow down a little bit. But

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Speaker 3: there is always that fear of what if.

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Speaker 1: And you got to be prepared.

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Speaker 3: And something that JG said is, fortunately, with all these

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Speaker 3: guys skill sets, I think it's surprised a lot of

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Speaker 3: people to see Clayton Tuon's mobility and his ability to

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Speaker 3: get out of the pocket if needed. Now adding a

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Speaker 3: guy like Desmond Ritter and all of them have similar

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Speaker 3: skill sets. Now, Kyler Murray is a video game when

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Speaker 3: you compare it to anybody else. He's the type of

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Speaker 3: player that you go on Madden and you use.

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Speaker 1: As Sean Murphy.

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Speaker 3: Bunting told the media as well that that's his player

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Speaker 3: of choice. Now you have three guys that you could

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Speaker 3: substitute in, and the offense doesn't need to change nearly

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Speaker 3: as much.

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Speaker 1: Ritter has played in as many games as Kyler the

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Speaker 1: past two seasons nineteen and that's obviously because Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: has been hurt. But you need someone in that room

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Speaker 1: that can push, that can learn and also make that

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Speaker 1: room overall better. And I do think that's what Desmond

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Speaker 1: Ridder does. Hopefully we never see him on the football

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Speaker 1: field outside of trending camp in preseason games and then

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Speaker 1: warming up in the regular season, but not during a

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Speaker 1: regular season game. That story on Desmond Ridder being posted

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, correct, that's correct, and the mock Draft Draft

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Speaker 1: tracker on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: We're rolling with content. We got a lot of different

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Speaker 3: stuff cooking right now.

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Speaker 1: So you've been busy.

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Speaker 3: I've been busy, but it's been an exciting stuff when

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Speaker 3: you get to look at the future of this team.

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Speaker 3: Speculations at an all time high right now, and if

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Speaker 3: you get to you know, you get to be a

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Speaker 3: part of the speculation a little bit here's my little

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Speaker 3: two cents about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm all about it. Speculation is only going to grow

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Speaker 1: in the days and weeks to come. We had April

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Speaker 1: next week and then now we're down to weeks and

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Speaker 1: then days and then hours before the Cardinals are on

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Speaker 1: the click think about it, Craig.

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Speaker 3: And about one month and like two hours from right now,

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Speaker 3: the draft is over. The Cardinals are starting to make

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Speaker 3: their moves for who the undrafted free agents are going

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Speaker 3: to be, and we're going to start to construct the

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Speaker 3: ninety man roster that we will see take to the

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Speaker 3: to the stadium at State Farm Stadium layer this year.

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Speaker 1: Good times ahead for the Arizona Cardinals. A lot of

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Speaker 1: work to be done, and we're here for it as

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Speaker 1: well to make sure that we keep you as best

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Speaker 1: up to dates as possible here on all of our platforms,

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Speaker 1: Asycardinals dot Com, Easycardinals dot Com, Forward Slash Podcast. On

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Speaker 1: that note, we will put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Joe Mamanre our associate producer Cody Fincher for Zach Kershman,

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Speaker 1: I'm preg real, Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two,