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Speaker 1: Back on Radio Row with Casey Valley. I'm Matt Taylor.

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Speaker 1: This is day three of the NFL combine for US blending.

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Speaker 1: But we're having fun talking draft, talking colts. Life's pretty

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Speaker 1: good here on Radio Row. Chatting now with Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 1: former NFL and college Scout, NFL insider now for Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio. I remember you back in your Scouts Inc. Days.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know for ESPN we had you on

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Speaker 1: the radio. I used to produce a show in town.

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Speaker 1: It was like we always got to get Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on around the draft time. So always enjoy your work

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Speaker 1: and enjoy these chats, man, I appreciate it. I've thought

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Speaker 1: about Scouts Inc. In a while, but it was like

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Speaker 1: Todd mcshaye and I and five other former Scouts we

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Speaker 1: all got hired by ESPN at the same time, and

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Speaker 1: I was with the dot com for ten years. I've

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Speaker 1: been doing all kinds of stuff since a lot of

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Speaker 1: steel related stuff and based in Pittsburgh. Yeah. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: lived in the South those of Pittsburgh pretty much my

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Speaker 1: whole life, except for the year and a half I

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Speaker 1: was with the akron Zips and the Browns, so I know,

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Speaker 1: I know, Pittsburgh is a great fan base, and I

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Speaker 1: know they're one of the institutions in the NFL. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but there's a lot of great fan bases, but Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: seems to be like just a cut above in terms

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Speaker 1: of passion, the willingness if you will to travel. We mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's Colts played Monday night Steelers home game, right Listen.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of terrible talents, like why is

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh such a great passionate fan base that that prioritizes

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Speaker 1: discretionary income on going to Steelers game. Yeah, it's pretty remarkable,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I mean, and they obviously

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Speaker 1: caught the Colts at the right time where the Indie

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Speaker 1: was a little bit down. Tickets were probably a little cheaper.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's an easy drive. It's like six hour drive. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and even last I mean, it takes us about five

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Speaker 1: to get here, which is great, and it's straight shot.

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Speaker 1: They have a speed limit, no man. But along those lines,

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Speaker 1: I turned fifty this year, so I was born in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three. So like when I came out of

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Speaker 1: the womb, it's like the Steelers just got good for

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Speaker 1: the first time. This is Joe Green, this is this

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Speaker 1: is Jack Lambert. You know, like you are going to

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Speaker 1: be a Steeler fan. And I often say on the air,

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Speaker 1: if I wasn't born in Pittsburgh, I probably wouldn't do

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Speaker 1: this for a living. If it wasn't for Chuck Noll

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Speaker 1: and Joe Green probably would be a banker or putting

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Speaker 1: But I mean along those lines, one family's owned the

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Speaker 1: team for my fifty years on the planet. Wow, and

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Speaker 1: we've had three head coaches in Yeah, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: the most remarkable thing, right, So things just don't change

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Speaker 1: all that much, and everyone knows what to expect. And

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Speaker 1: now coach Solmon's there. They don't ever ever losing season.

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Speaker 1: So the fans back home complain they haven't one enough

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Speaker 1: playoff games lately. I'm like, go talk to Detroit and

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Speaker 1: Cleveland and I mean, you guys are five hundred better

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Speaker 1: every year, sure, no doubt about it. All right, So

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Speaker 1: put on that old scouting hat here if you will.

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Speaker 1: Have you have you dialed in on the on the QBS.

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Speaker 1: Even though Pittsburgh just drafted less than ever because they

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Speaker 1: shift to pick it in they're out of the race.

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Speaker 1: But I'll be very honest, I'm very concerned with all

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Speaker 1: these top quarterbacks. I mean I think there are warts.

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Speaker 1: Greg coos Elves is right behind us. Was sat down

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Speaker 1: yesterday and I flat out asked him, I'm like, would

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Speaker 1: you rather have pick it or any of these quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: coming out? And he said pick it? You know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: part of it's because I have a year of NFL

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Speaker 1: tape to gust trip, you know. But he reiterated what

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Speaker 1: the mix for the Colts. And that doesn't mean they

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Speaker 1: won't hit. But I bet two of the four hit,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully for your guy's sake, it's one that the

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Speaker 1: Colts group, all right, we know about the flag on

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young Bright obvious, but everything else seems to kind

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Speaker 1: the year is never the same player. You're seeing a trend.

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Speaker 1: It's the durability, all right for Stroud, then what's the

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Speaker 1: But for some reason, he's an Ohio State fan, Justin

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Speaker 1: But when the SEC makes it more difficult than the

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Speaker 1: big ten. But Stroud is throwing to four or five

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Speaker 1: red flags are pretty evident. I mean, you have Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: quarterback accuracy never gets better at the NFL level. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm going against my scouting background because everyone says the

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Speaker 1: most important things here are medicals and the interviews. Well,

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Speaker 1: The interviews to me though, are fifteen minutes and not

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Speaker 1: It's just not long enough. Yeah, but the cults are

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Speaker 1: not fifteen minutes here. You know, what do you think

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Speaker 1: Do you? Do? You agree disagree? Considering your background, I'm

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Speaker 1: it's unfair play, right, You always gonna be always got

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Speaker 1: to be on. And it's an interview twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 1: of course, because again I'd love using the term assembly

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Speaker 1: line scouting, like every quarterback is going to be asked

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Speaker 1: Watching them all do the apples to apples to apples

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Speaker 1: things is very important to me, you know, and standing

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Speaker 1: drills are very important. How do you play in space?

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Speaker 1: But I think drill work it's under appreciated here, And

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Speaker 1: I hate that part of it. And that's so in

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Speaker 1: some ways, will that better these players to be ready

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Speaker 1: as they're more inclined to get in active football shape

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Speaker 1: The process is very flawed because a lot of football

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Speaker 1: on everything. Matt Williamson, former NFL college scout. Now you

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Speaker 1: all your success men, and best of luck here in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and Indianapolis has been tremendous to

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