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Speaker 1: off for about a week or so, maybe not quite.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Russilla is going to join me today. Sometimes in life,

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Speaker 1: timing is everything. He's a great NBA guy. And we

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Speaker 1: got Donovan Mitchell going to the Calves for a bunch

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Speaker 1: of picks and parts. Talk about that first, though, Fake questions,

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Speaker 1: don't want to wait for you to ask me. Fake questions,

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Speaker 1: real answers. Here we go. Dear Colin, what do you

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Speaker 1: make of the Donovan Mitchell trade of the Calves for

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Speaker 1: a bunch of picks and parts. Well, I have a

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Speaker 1: rule in trades, if the better team got the best player,

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Speaker 1: I don't care who won the trade. That's the team

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Speaker 1: I'm going to pay attention to. My only concern is

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Speaker 1: will Donovan Mitchell take shots away from Darius Garland and

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Speaker 1: Evan Mobley. He can be a little bit of a ballhog.

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Speaker 1: What I like about it is Midwest teams like Cleveland

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Speaker 1: and the Minnesota Timberwolves are taking big swings. There's always

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Speaker 1: been this belief that in the NBA, a Midwest team,

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Speaker 1: maybe in the NFL the Packers too, has to overpay

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Speaker 1: the land of free age. I don't know if that's true,

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Speaker 1: but I like people that swing big. The Minnesota Timberwolves

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Speaker 1: are looking around going who gives a rip about draft picks?

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Speaker 1: We got Carl Anthony Towns, Anthony Edwards. These are stars.

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Speaker 1: Let's add the best defensive rim protector and go for it.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland saying, Darius Garland, Evan Mobley, we hit two home

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Speaker 1: runs in the draft. Let's add a veteran all star

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Speaker 1: I love seeing these Midwestern teams beaten down for years

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Speaker 1: got better, more productive offensively. I think they can challenge

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Speaker 1: I really do for the East. Dear Colin, what do

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Speaker 1: Gizelle the reason he took off eleven days in training

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Speaker 1: the Boston Gossip columnists had this a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: They've been on this for a couple of years. As

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Speaker 1: a married guy, I'm not going to speak for other

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Speaker 1: married media members, but I'd rather not really touch this story.

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Speaker 1: Husband's wives fight regularly over a lot of stuff. Now

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Speaker 1: add in superstars both of them. I think we could

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Speaker 1: all guess what happened here, which is what was reported.

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Speaker 1: Dear Colin, what do you make of this story about

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield saying when he faces his old team, he's

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Speaker 1: going to f him up. Well, I'm sure he said it.

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Speaker 1: Who cares he didn't say it publicly. He didn't say

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Speaker 1: still friends. Athletes are competitive, Baker's competitive. This is how

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Speaker 1: trying to get my buddy Ryan Rossilo on forever. He's busy,

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Speaker 1: So I thought that myself. Sometimes you get lucky, so

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Speaker 1: because I thought last year, I'm like, shit, they're they're

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Speaker 1: the it's the player. He was available, the package, all

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Speaker 1: You know, there's been a theory for years in all sports,

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Speaker 1: It's a one horse town. So they'll they'll be patient, right,

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Speaker 1: life when you're young. This sounds very simplistic, but being

422
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Speaker 1: part of being young is not knowing any better. So

423
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: when you're a young athlete, you're like, I don't want

424
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Speaker 1: to do this, you know, I don't want to be

425
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: one of those guys, and it's like you have no

426
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: idea where your head is going to be. At thirty five,

427
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: one of our college roommates told the story he had

428
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: a thing going on, super rough night out and he

429
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: did something and his wife get really mad at him,

430
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: and we were like, when we were in college, did

431
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: we ever think that you'd be forty seven having that

432
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: kind of night out? He was like no, he was

433
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: every now and then you know it's it's gonna happen,

434
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, because I still like to have a good time.

435
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: And when people talk about our industry, he's like, yeah,

436
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that guy who's over fifty.

437
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: Like when you're when you're twenty eight, you think fifty

438
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: is so old. And I think the same thing has

439
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: happened here for Brady, Like I never thought he'd be

440
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: able to do this. He changes everything the way I

441
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: have to think about athletes playing it a little bit

442
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: older now. I think this liability is part of it.

443
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: I think the fact that he found a way to

444
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: play this extremely dangerous position by constantly getting rid of

445
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: the football and not taking those kill shots. You know,

446
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: he's just the lack of the accumulation of effect of

447
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: being hit like that. It makes me kind of change,

448
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: Like how open of the mind do I have to

449
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: have about like who Lebron can be moving forward? But

450
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: it's really easy to assume that you know how you're

451
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: going to think when you're twenty years older. But the

452
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: thing is is you're usually always wrong. And most of

453
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: us when we're in there, who we are older, we

454
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: don't go, oh wait. I feel the exact same way now,

455
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: Like it sucks to do nothing. I don't want to

456
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: do nothing at any point in my life, Dude. I

457
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: sleep seven hours a day. I'm at work for six

458
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: six to noon. That's thirteen hours. I have eleven left.

459
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: I knaped for forty minutes. I work out for about

460
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: fifty every other day. I do a podcast. I'm sitting

461
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: around every day thinking how I go to the YouTube channel?

462
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: That's what my kids do. Like it's some point Brady's

463
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: like retire to what I got kids by thirteen fourteen, Ryan,

464
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: they don't want to hang out with you all day.

465
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: They just don't look I get it, all right, Let's

466
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: let's pivot to something that you were on years ago.

467
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: So we both I think we're both like a lot

468
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: of times in the media, a guy's an NFL guy,

469
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: where he's a college guy, and you were somebody very early.

470
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: Van Pelt was too, like, we loved college and we

471
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: loved the NFL, and we grew up in NFL cities.

472
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: But there's something really addictive about the college game. I

473
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: can't wait until Saturday. I'm freaking just all fired up

474
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: for it. And I mean I sat and watched the

475
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: entire Nebraska Northwestern game in a bar Church Street tavern

476
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: in Burlington, Vermont. I had a goddamn ball. Oh so

477
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: much fun. I called Rossilo everybody. By the way, No,

478
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: first I sent a picture because Rassilo never calls me back.

479
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: And I sent a picture. He calls me in thirty seconds,

480
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he always could call me back. I

481
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: had to entice him. It was like bait. And then

482
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: you called and You're like, what are you doing there?

483
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is unbelievable. I've never been there.

484
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: Point being is I sat there the whole day and

485
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: I had three and a half hours. I was just

486
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: sitting there, eating chicken wings, drinking beer, talking to people.

487
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, I love college football. So

488
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: we liked the draft because it's this conversion of both.

489
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: The other day, Bill Barnwell, I think it is had

490
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: this graft on how awful Patriots draft, and it was

491
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: just brutally And you were on this ten years ago.

492
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: We talked about this at Bristol. We were like, why

493
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: won't anybody talk about it this past draft? So I

494
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: have a theory that he got ripped, not this draft,

495
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: the previous draft. He let the scouts have it again

496
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: and had a really good draft, and then he said

497
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Speaker 1: screw it, I want control back, and he had control

498
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: of this draft and it was horrible. I do believe.

499
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Speaker 1: And this sounds insane, but I do think Robert Craft,

500
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Speaker 1: if they're bad and boring, he owns the business. I

501
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: don't think it's been crazy. At the end of the

502
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: season if he talks about, hey, why don't you retire?

503
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: If my nuts, it sounds crazy, but Robert Kraft is

504
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: cut throat. I know people who have negotiated with him

505
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: for the NFL. You're not going to sit there and

506
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: watch a seven and ten team that's boring first consumers.

507
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: They would have to be bad multiple years before that

508
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: conversation would happen. I mean we're still talking about despite

509
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: the draft record, which is abysmal. I mean, I don't know.

510
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's always shocked, like whenever I bring it up,

511
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: and then you'll have like a Pats fan being like,

512
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: what about swimming michell in the playoffs? You're like, seriously,

513
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: that's your grading curve, Like a guy had a nice

514
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: little run as the first round pick over a couple

515
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: of playoff games. But I don't know. They probably like JD.

516
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: Drew signing too. So when I look at the Belichick

517
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: GM part of it, like no other GM would ever

518
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: keep his job. But the problem is you're talking about

519
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: somebody who's maybe the greatest coach of all time, and

520
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: it's somebody that you know was in Boston during the

521
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: times you're like West Belichick doing and he was always right,

522
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Like I remember the first time doing local radio there,

523
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: they get rid of Lawyer Malloy, the Bills smoke him,

524
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: spending the entire week, being like this locker room was

525
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: probably turning on. I'm saying all the bullshit that we say,

526
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: and we don't know anything, and you know, you just assume.

527
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: And Belichick was right, you know, later on it was

528
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: out of Vinetarian, but like, how do you let this

529
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 1: guy go? And even though Vinetarian still had a nice run,

530
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: but he was inside he decided, you know, I'm gonna

531
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: go as Gaskowski and it was completely right, like he's

532
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: done so many things right. The Brady one, though, never

533
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: made any sense to me, even if he thought he

534
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: was regressing a little bit. And maybe, as we said earlier,

535
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: you know, back then we still were like, wait, Brady's

536
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: gonna play on forty five, But every thirty one other

537
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: cities keep Tom Brady around with that resume. Thirty one

538
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: other well, i should say, franchises on the cities, they

539
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: all keep them. And Belichick's the one guy you kind

540
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: of knew, like do you like to kind of prove

541
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: some sometimes? Do you like to maybe? You know, it's

542
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: one thing when you grab a wrestler to play offensive guard,

543
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: to say like, hey, look how smart I am? And

544
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: sometimes it works, and I think he likes to get

545
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: cute about some of the stuff. So the draft record

546
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: is terrible. He was asked about it was it last

547
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: season and he was like, or maybe before the draft

548
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: this year. Year. They were like, you know, how would

549
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: you respond? And everybody's so afraid of the guy, and

550
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, you know, we did some pretty good

551
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: picks in there too, and it was like, oh, wow,

552
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: listen to you, Like, hey man, the draft record is

553
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: what it is. You're bad at it. You've been really

554
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: bad at it for a long time. So I don't

555
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: know the dynamic is between the scouts and everything else.

556
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: I think he always likes to do things a little

557
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: bit differently. The offensive coordinator mystery of like, as Matt

558
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: Patricia really going to be the guy calling plays now?

559
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: Like you, why can't you can't bring in somebody else?

560
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: But he ends up being right so often that he's

561
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: a really tough guy to question, even if again, as

562
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: the draft resumes that bad. So I'm not with you

563
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: yet because as much as the craft Billichick thing, like,

564
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they're summering together. This guy's put together

565
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: two decades that are unmatched. You know, the number of

566
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: division titles, super Bowl appearances, Like he has a resume

567
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: that is unmatched by every single person that's had that

568
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: job in the history of this league. So I think

569
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: it takes more than one in seven ten season. That's

570
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: a little disappointing for them to start having. So ye're

571
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: ago it was called the Patriot way, and the Patriot

572
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: Way could be defined basically by it's not about you,

573
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: it's about us, whatever it takes to win. Right, team first,

574
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to win. Brady takes pay cuts, and

575
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: then Belichick three years ago, according to urban Meyer, and

576
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: Urban like put Bill's name on it, so I imagine

577
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: it was accurate. Urban Meyer says, like three four years ago,

578
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to Bill and Bill said, you know,

579
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: at this point in my career, I'm just going to

580
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: coach guys I want to coach. And I thought, whoa,

581
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: that's about you, not the team, and that isn't whatever

582
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: it takes to win. And I thought, that's something that

583
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Ryan that I think about all the time, like, I

584
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: never want to be the host who walks in and

585
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: just says this is the way I do it. It's

586
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: not very efficient. A real passion for horse racing now,

587
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: and that's just what's going to lead the show three

588
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: days a week. Sorry, it's like I can't do that.

589
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: That's just I'm not going to do that. I'm gonna

590
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: do a show that's gonna have some mass appeal. Sorry,

591
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be like I made it. It doesn't matter.

592
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: Drag racing is gonna make the show. No, it's not ever,

593
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: not one time. And so when I heard that quote,

594
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, wait a minute, it's a little Greg Popovich. Like, dude,

595
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: it's six years post Duncan. You had the lowest wind

596
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: total odds in the league. Like I don't think de

597
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Jontay Murray's a max guy, but he's your best guy.

598
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: And you couldn't get along with Kauai and Droz and

599
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: left and had his best career year, Like you know

600
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, there is part of me thinking,

601
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: you get really famous, you get rich, you have your legacy,

602
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: and you're just like effort, I'm gonna do what I

603
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: want to do. I kind of feel that with Belichick

604
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. Two kids on the staff that one. Look,

605
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: if you're telling me urban said that, and again I've

606
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: forgotten about it, so I'm not I'm not disputing or

607
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: anything like that. Yeah, that's that's not what it's really about.

608
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the Patriot Wade thing was always kind of

609
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: bullshit and oversold, and there was a weird thing like

610
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: I was the Boston media, it was like the football beat.

611
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: Guys would like, look, I come to buy and do

612
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: like a basketball show and it's like NBA huh, you know,

613
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: as the Patriots are rolling and you're like, hey, you

614
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: know you're not on the team, right, Like you're not

615
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: on the team. So h there was there was not

616
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: every member of the media with the Patriots side of it,

617
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: but you know there was like, oh, they only bring

618
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: in certain character guys and all these different things, and

619
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: then it was like, yeah, I actually brought him this

620
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: guy Broughting, this guy brought in this guy and so like,

621
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, he just wants to go ahead and and win,

622
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: which in a weird way, I always felt like, you know,

623
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: you can try to have fifty three perfect citizens on

624
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: the team, but there's really good chance there's guys doing

625
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: stuff they don't get caught anyway. So a couple of

626
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: guys that are cheaper because they've gotten into trouble. I

627
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: think Herm Edwards once told me he's like I could

628
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: take four of them because a fifty three man roster,

629
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: you give me four, because you've give me five, it's

630
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: too many. He's like, I can handle four guys that

631
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: are a problem, which I always thought was kind of

632
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: a funny quote. The Papovich one, though, I think that's

633
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: his refusal to tank. You know, he's talked about it.

634
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: I respect his position on it, but if I own

635
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: the franchise, i'd go cool theories. It's easy for you,

636
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: with all of these rings to say, hey, that's not

637
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: what we're going to operate, and now we're stuck in

638
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: this middling thing with the least interesting roster in the

639
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: entire NBA. Him not getting along with Kawai, I think

640
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: was Kawhi more on the medical thing, and honestly now

641
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: Kawai at two other stops. I don't think Kauhi is

642
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: that easy to get along with. So I wouldn't put

643
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: that one all on Papovich, but it is. It is.

644
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: It is very interesting the combo of like, as you

645
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: get later in life, does your priority change, and it's

646
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: your priority actually what's better for the franchise long term? Papovich.

647
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting discussion. Belichick. It's still too soon.

648
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, hew, you know, something goes wrong. I think

649
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: the Bills are clearly the better team, probably the best

650
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: team in the AFC at this point. But I'm also

651
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: not going to be shocked if the past find a

652
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: way with a good defense, Mac taking a step forward

653
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: another year. But I just I don't know. It's Belichick

654
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: is a really difficult guy to question because it up

655
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: usually working out for him, despite the fact I think

656
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: he gets really cute about some stuff that to me

657
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: feels like a waste of time for somebody that's that

658
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: legendary at the job. Okay, So I always feel like

659
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: part of it is just, you know, just being annoying.

660
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: But I always feel like you do get one team

661
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: as a sportscaster that you're a little bit of a

662
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: fanboy and so California all. But I'm a USC guy,

663
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: and I think and I think it's funny, Like at

664
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: this point, I'm just leaning into it because it pisses

665
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: people off so much, and I think it's a riot.

666
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: I saw Chip Kelly at the nine hundred Club. He

667
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: knows it, and it's like whatever, I like him. So,

668
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: who is yours? Oh, it's LSU. You know, at this point.

669
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: It's it's not really much of a secret. You know.

670
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: I feel like coming from New England and going o

671
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: Vermont that hasn't had a football team since seventy three,

672
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: I believe you know, I fell in love with college

673
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: football in a way that I didn't really extend. Look,

674
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: I always love fotball. I love watching it, you know

675
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 1: my dad the Big Game or whatever. But I didn't

676
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: really have an affinity for anything. And there's maybe a

677
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: little flirtation with Notre Dame as a kid because I

678
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: love that Tony Rice team and rocket Ishmael. And then

679
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, my first time get to see Colt McCoy,

680
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I just loved. I loved the kid. I'm thrilled he

681
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: still in the league. He's one of my all time favorites.

682
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: And unfortunately was on the losing side of the greatest

683
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: single football game I've ever been to when Texas Tech

684
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: knocked off number one A m and Oe or excuse me,

685
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: number one Texas in love it, Yeah, in two thousand

686
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: and eight, great sporting that I've ever been to. And

687
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: then you know, I really like ship up in Oregon.

688
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you that the LSU experienced the first

689
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: time it was a whole another level. Man, it was

690
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 1: a whole another little I think I've been to sixty

691
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: plus stadiums, campuses, I've been there for games. It's probably

692
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: the best part of my entire ESPN run. And so

693
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: I care about LSU now like I care and I watch.

694
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: I'll pay attention to the little recruiting stuff. But I'm

695
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 1: not a psychopath about it. Like I'm just emotionally different

696
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: with sports because I've been doing to twenty years. And

697
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's better or worse. It's a little healthier,

698
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: but I actually miss having that emotional mood swing on

699
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: the line. Get it. Yeah, when the Soxs will blow

700
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: a save. When I was younger, they could blow the

701
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: save on Monday. I've said the story a million times

702
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: and I'd still be lingering my head, being like, why

703
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: the funk they walk the leadoff guy. It'd be Thursday.

704
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, it would still be bothering me. So when

705
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: the Red Sox, I still care about it. You know,

706
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: I still care about the Celtics Pats. I don't really

707
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: care as much about you know, if the Bruins are good,

708
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: I'll watch a little bit more because I'll talk to

709
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: some hockey with my father as complete casuals on that one.

710
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: But I'd say between LSU and then I think Saint

711
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: John's basketball, but it's just kind of a bit off

712
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: the radar and this expansion stuff that I hate. The

713
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: first casualty of many casualties, but the first casualty that

714
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: really bothered me was a Biggia's basketball. It's just not

715
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: the same. It's never going to be the same again.

716
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: And I hate it because it was an NBA factory

717
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: there for a while and now it feels like a

718
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: group of five conference, which sucks. But you know, I

719
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: still care about Saint John's. Yeah, you know, it's it's

720
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: what about you? What can I ask you something? Yeah,

721
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: do you actually believe it when you talk about USC

722
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: and UCLA going to the Big Ten? Because if you

723
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: love college football as much as I know you do.

724
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: Was that was that leaning into the stick a little

725
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: bit because I hate I hate it. It's fucking stupid. Okay,

726
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: it's stupa Rutgers is going to be in the same

727
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: conference with UCLA. A argument over, well, my theory has

728
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: been kick Maryland and Rutgers out. Why Why does it

729
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: it's a one way door? Why can't I get rid

730
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: of people? Why do I have to have them forever?

731
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: I don't understand that at all. If I was an ad,

732
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: I'd be like Rutgers, we rolled with it, doesn't orc

733
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: see it. But the politically president's universities don't like to

734
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: do that. So here's my takeaway. I'd have to see

735
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: the though on Like you know, you and I used

736
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: to laugh about different like different strategic things that we

737
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: hear about. I know, I interrupt you there a little bit,

738
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: so I'll be quick. But it was like it was

739
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: like Rutgers brings you to New York City footprint, and

740
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: you're like, if you asked ten people in New York

741
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: City what Rutgers was, you might go one for ten

742
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: on that. So but if you're telling me that some

743
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: cable package is brought in all this money, I'd be

744
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: wondering why anyone's paying for it in the first place,

745
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: because there was always two like some stuff where like

746
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: if Yukon were in the mix, people would argue like, oh, well,

747
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: it's close to Bristol. As if any of us on

748
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: the content side of things, we're be like, you know,

749
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: we need to start doing paying a little bit more

750
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: attention to the American Conference because we're only about forty

751
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: minutes from stores, like it never happened. It happens zero

752
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: times ever that we were there. So I'm with you

753
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: on wise, Rutgers, and I know why Mary left the ACC.

754
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: All of their fans would rather be there because it's

755
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: a basketball school before it's a football school. Even though

756
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: it looks like probably have a decent football team this year,

757
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we've crossed over the line

758
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: where there's still plenty of money to be had out there,

759
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: and we're ruining stuff that I loved. I love. I

760
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: love the culture geography of the five to six conferences. Okay,

761
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: So here's why I'm okay with it, because I think

762
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: the minute we go to a twelve team playoff, conferences

763
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 1: won't matter. It's a prime example. Sixty eight teams get

764
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: in March Madness, all the big conferences get five or six.

765
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit, Nobody cares. It's all about seating.

766
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: The minute we go to a twelve team playoff, SEC

767
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: is getting four, Big Ten's getting three. I mean, you

768
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: can just write it down right now, you're seven or

769
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: the twelve are probably right there one or two ACC

770
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: one or two pack, There'll be a Cincia. My takeaway

771
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: is what we're really seeing is the erosion of conference importance.

772
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: Well that's why I like March madness. I'm not rooting

773
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: for the ACC. I'm rooting for the game. I'm rooting

774
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: for the outcome. I don't care where Gonzaga plays or

775
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: where Kansas plays. They're just big brands. And my takeaways

776
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: college football has gotten so conference centric, it's so regional.

777
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, can't we just make it a big canvas

778
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: and not really care where they come from, but have

779
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: more big games at the end of the year. So

780
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the bottom line is my PAC twelve friends,

781
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: and it was the conference I grew up with. Oh

782
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: they're ruining it, dude, ruining what you stand up on

783
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: a Thursday for Oregon State USC. Nobody watches those games.

784
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: I see the numbers, but USC Wisconsin at Camp Randle

785
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: USC and Arbert Coliseum, which are just more good games.

786
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: I think college football has a problem. It's two regional

787
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: one and number two without a twelve team playoff, teams

788
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: are petrified to play a big game out of conference shit.

789
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: This weekend is a great example I got two good games,

790
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: George Oregon, I think Ohio State, notor name, but that's

791
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: a seventeen and a half point spread. I just want

792
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: more good games. And this forces USC in Ucla to

793
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: go to Camp Randle and Arbor the Shoe Iowa, and

794
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: so I feel like as a consumer, I just get

795
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: more good stuff. What if the Lakers said, hey, look

796
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: at population charts, look at look at access to business

797
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: being the only game in town. We're just gonna go

798
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: to China because there's more money. NBA can have twenty

799
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: nine teams. We're just gonna be the Lakers. We're gonna

800
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: be out of Beijing. Sorry, just more opportunity. That Again,

801
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: it's an absurd question, but some of these philosophical defenses

802
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: that I hear about all this stuff when it all

803
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: could have been like like, if it weren't for Larry Scott,

804
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve would be in a much better position

805
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't be here. So I don't know. I

806
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: don't know if that changes the timeline the what if

807
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: scenario here, but I think there's a line that has

808
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: been crossed, and you know, I know that younger people

809
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: are I think a lot of it turns into the house.

810
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: You know, big ten SEC fans are happy with it

811
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: because it's like, well, cool, as long as we're fine

812
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: when you know, I don't know, I you know, if

813
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm in the SEC West, You're like, cool,

814
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: we're adding Texas and Oklahoma. Awesome. You did take a

815
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: big leap there. You went from Yes, I made up

816
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: a massively stupid scenario, But I'm just I'm just trying

817
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 1: to like test the limits. Yeah that you went from Yeah,

818
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: that was terry. I bumped into my exit Starbucks too.

819
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: We're getting married, They're I mean, Lakers going to China

820
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: is like okay, that's a big swing. I'm not sure

821
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: I can. But all the reason I bring up that

822
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: stupid analogy is because I've heard people go like, well,

823
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: you know the money, you know access to this, you know,

824
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: footprint and all these different things. I was like, okay,

825
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 1: well fine, what if you applied those same principles to

826
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: the Lakers going, yeah, we actually just want to leave

827
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: from the NBA. I want to play in China. We're

828
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: gonna make way more money for our owners and be

829
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: like okay. But everybody would say no to that. It'd

830
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's that's crazy when basically all of

831
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: this has been a massive money grab and for these

832
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: schools to complain that what we had to do it

833
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: because our budgets so screwed up. That's your fault. You've

834
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: had endless increased revenue streams and you keep sucking it up.

835
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: And that's the part where I've been so pro players

836
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: cashing in on all this is that throughout my travels,

837
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'd leave one practice facility and then I

838
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: walk like across campus, I go, what the hell is this?

839
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, is there a new facility? Wait? What

840
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: was wrong with the one we were just in? It's

841
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: like indoor place? Be like noah, no, this one's like

842
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: two hundred million. We needed it. I'm like, how old

843
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: is that one? Like six years old? You're like you

844
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: die in this one. You're like, yep, we needed this one.

845
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: And they're like, all right, whatever, pay the kids, all right?

846
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: Final question? Or so, so you grew up in Boston

847
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: Martha's Vineyard, Well chronicled. I was in Rhode Island, which

848
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: urstown Watch Hill this weekend. I love it. In fact,

849
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 1: I'll send you did you go there a lot? When

850
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: you were Connecticut? That's a big that was like a

851
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: big you know, guys had a little coin in the

852
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: old pocket when they would they just bounced from West

853
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: Hartford and I'd send a text, not Calhard, You're Calhard's

854
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: vampel was a big Watchhill guy. Yeah, love it, freaking

855
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: love it. So I'm gonna sack in these coasts. No,

856
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: it's not real estate. I'm gonna send you a picture

857
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: of me nude right now. This has never been done

858
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: in the history. It's a nude. I'm not going to podcasting.

859
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: So the picture I'm sending you is private. It's me

860
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: leaving Block Island after a lobster role on a twenty

861
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: nine and a half foot Hinckley And so as I'm

862
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: on there, if if I would have been more New England,

863
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: I would have had whale pants and joined an amend's

864
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: adult lacrosse league. So that's what I did for four days.

865
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: So the point being is I was thinking of you

866
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: out there for this. As a Boston guy, I love

867
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. I freaking love Rhode Island. When as a

868
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: Boston guy, how does Boston view Rhode Island Because that

869
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: Rhode Island doesn't have all the Boston stuff and I

870
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: freaking love Rhode Island. How do you view it? I

871
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: love Rhode Island for the beaches because I did spend

872
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: a lot of time in Connecticut, and you know, a

873
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: big beach guy. The vineyard part of it. I'll never

874
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: live somewhere that doesn't have some kind of water access

875
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: to it. And I'm not talking about lake, even though

876
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: lakes are great too, but I don't want to turn

877
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: this into a lake ocean debate. But Rhode Island, Boston

878
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: guys don't think about it because they do their own thing.

879
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: But when we were living in Connecticut, we didn't go

880
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: to any of the Connecticut beaches because all we want

881
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: to do is just go to Rhode Island all the time.

882
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: And you know, we haven't even touched on Newport, which

883
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: which has not only an incredible history, it's a great,

884
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: great town. Especially like you know, the wife or the

885
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: girlfriend and you're like, hey, let's go do something kind

886
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: of fun. And it was still convenient because for us,

887
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: and like I think both of us are. I really

888
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: liked West Hartford. I actually did. If I had stayed

889
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: there and everything was gonna work out and I was

890
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: going to raise a family, I could have done West

891
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: Hartford for a really long time. I was fine with it.

892
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: I think you had more of an issue with it

893
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: than I did. Maybe it was because I was more

894
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: of a New England guy, so I was fine with it.

895
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: But that Newport watch Hill Escape was like this, not

896
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: that it was a hidden gem, but all of us

897
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: would be like, wait, have you spend any time out

898
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Like if you weren't from New England and you got

899
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: out there, that that whole area there is incredible. But

900
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: Boston guys would never go, hey, let's do Providence tonight.

901
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: If anything, it was let's go to the Foxy Lady. Maybe,

902
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds fun, Yeah, yeah, late night. Those are

903
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: never like, hey, let's everything's closing up. Let's go to

904
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: the Foxy Lady. Now after everything's closed, be like, hey,

905
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: I won't regret this tomorrow. Yeah. By the way, I

906
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: guarantee they spelled Foxy with two xes. No, it's pretty

907
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: pretty straight up that one's in Providence. I think there

908
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: was a time. There was a time there. I forget

909
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: what the dis was, but I think the Pats had

910
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: to do something where like they had to be in

911
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: Providence or something, and I think like one of the

912
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: local politicians said something like, well, you know, when people

913
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: think football, they think Providence or whatever. And then somebody

914
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: on the Boston side of things said, what was pot

915
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: Tucket busy? So it was like a real it was

916
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 1: a real dig I forget what the whole timeline events was,

917
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: but I just never forget how funny I thought that

918
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: was Rhode Island's Rhode Island's really cool. But I'll tell you,

919
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: like the interior part of Rhode Island, like that's a rough,

920
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: rough set of towns. Oh yeah, don't screw up in

921
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: western Rhode Island would be my talk to anybody. Yeah.

922
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: So I was golfing at a very nice country club

923
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: and I said, what are your members like in Rhode

924
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: Island And they said, well, some businessmen, there's some young people.

925
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: But locker number one. He's a Providence guy. And he

926
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: called on the phone and said I'd like locker number

927
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: one if you could do that, and everybody gave him

928
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: locker number one. I'm not gonna say his name, and

929
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't know who he is, but uh yeah, when

930
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: a guy calls and says I'd like locker number one,

931
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: and everybody at the club says, that guy gets locker

932
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: number one, and he's not a scratch golfer. That's Rhode Island.

933
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: To your point, there's a little edge to it. Yeah,

934
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean like Buddy Ciancy was the mayor. Yes, yes,

935
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 1: you know, yes, he ended up like prison, yeah, prison.

936
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: I think he wanted reelection afters or something like that. Yes,

937
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 1: uh yeah, maybe a little at well, yeah, a little

938
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: at will avenue action. I don't know what's going on,

939
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: but when I when I flew Portland to Bristol, the

940
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: book I read was The Buddy Siance Story. It's a

941
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: great book, art literature, mob Fedhill. It's a must read

942
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: if you want to figure out Rhode Island in two

943
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: and a half hours. The Buddy Siance book is the

944
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: book you read. Yeah, man, a little roadie. They weren't

945
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: super helpful during some of the Revolutionary War stuff, but

946
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad that, you know, all the colonies were able

947
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: to get over that because they abstain from some of

948
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: the stuff guys are trying to pass, like, hey, can

949
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: you guys get on board here a little bit, And

950
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: reading any of the books from that time period, I'm constantly,

951
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: constantly laughing, especially somebody who identifies more with Massachusetts now

952
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: even with my family than their thirty years. How all

953
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: the states were kind of like in their own lane

954
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: in a really funny way, Like Vermont was originally New Connecticut.

955
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: So all the towns like Southern Vermont down you know,

956
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: Middle Vermont, all the way down to the border, like

957
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: they're just named after the Connecticut towns. So like the people,

958
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: if you think of like how people migrate, right, and

959
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't like what's going on here?

960
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Like I love that book Sapience. It's one of my

961
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: favorite quotes in any book that I've ever read in

962
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: my entire life. And basically, after these clans, like the

963
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: first upright version of us, right, it's humans, once it

964
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: was over thirty people, they just be like, look, this

965
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: is unmanageable. You take you know, Dolf and you know

966
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: whatever that other guy's name is, maybe doesn't have a name,

967
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: and you guys start your own clan because after thirty people,

968
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: like some people start slacking off, and we don't want

969
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: your rounds. So now if you can't feed off bus

970
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: like whatever. So then you fast forward thousands of years

971
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, we're gonna leave Europe because we're

972
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: gonna come here. And then you get to Plymouth, and

973
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: the funniest thing about Plymouth is that they just were like,

974
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: all right, we're good. And then after a couple of years,

975
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: some guys walked north and found Boston and were like, man,

976
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: this is way better. Look at that's harbor. But then

977
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: people who set up Plymouth, we're like, we've done too

978
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: much work here be like yeah, but all it is

979
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: is like eels and mud and constant attacks. So Boston

980
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: has like a deep, deep river, it's got an amazing harbor.

981
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: It's much better for a city. In classic Massachusetts fashion,

982
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: people were like, nah, man, I just don't feel like

983
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: going up there now, And then immediately people regret it.

984
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: And so then you have guys who are in Connecticut

985
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: who want to get away from Massachusetts because they want

986
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: to do their own thing, and then some of them

987
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: end up in Vermont. It just on and on and on,

988
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: like hey, I don't actually get along. I got here,

989
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: put up in cabin, and now I disagree with all

990
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: of you, So now I'm going to go somewhere else.

991
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: On top of everything, Rhode Island was like a version

992
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: of Massachusetts where they were like, we still kind of

993
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: want to be in this area and identify with it,

994
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: but we also want to hold out on some things

995
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: as well. So Rhode Island early on, depending on what

996
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: you've read, can be it's just kind of funny, like

997
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: you're not mad about it. The funny part. Actually, the

998
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: funniest stuff is how mad everybody would get at Massachusetts

999
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: all the time. Like the first time George Washington saw

1000
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: the troops in Massachusetts, he was like, are you kidding me?

1001
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: Who are these guys? Like do they have homes? Like

1002
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: their uniform suck, their equipment sucks, and like Virginia come

1003
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: marching up with polished muskets and nice linen shirts, and

1004
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 1: the Boston guys who just start making fun of them,

1005
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: which would be classic Boston. And then they get in

1006
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: these fights, and then they'd have all these resolutions that

1007
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: were passed where they were always a fray, like we

1008
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: can't put the capital in Boston, we can't do this

1009
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: in Boston. Don't let Massachusetts decide on this one, because

1010
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: we're just afraid they're going to succeed and be their

1011
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: own country. There was this constant thread of like Massachusetts guys.

1012
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: So when you read all this stuff as the Massachusetts guy.

1013
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: It ends it being really funny because you're like, it

1014
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: actually still holds up two hundred plus years later. Little

1015
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: history lesson for you. At the end of the podcast call,

1016
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: which I know you love well. The first great line,

1017
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: Who is the trader? Patrick Henry? What was his name?

1018
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: Patrick Kane? Blackhawks? What? No, it's it's in that era,

1019
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: Benedict Arnold to British are coming to British are coming?

1020
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: Who did that? Paul Revere? I'm getting my iconic historic figures.

1021
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 1: Joseph Warren. He might have been the first George Washington

1022
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: if it weren't form Bunker Hill. A lot of people

1023
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: forget that. Joseph Warren. No relation to Elizabeth Warren. Wacky

1024
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: fund straw on the left. Yeah, no, slightly different tax plan,

1025
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: but I don't like to talk about taxes anymore. Alright, Roussilla,

1026
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: let's get out of here. Good seeing your buddy. Thanks

1027
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: man the volume. Make sure to check out the Draymond

1028
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1029
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,040
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1030
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