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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. The big question coming into this weekend was

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Speaker 1: is Taysom Hill real quarterback? Saints head coach Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: clearly thinks he is. He started Hill in place of

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Speaker 1: the injured Drew Brees, and you know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: what the answer was going to be. I think we

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Speaker 1: got our answer. Hill did some things pretty well and

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Speaker 1: wisely chose to throw to Michael Thomas as often as

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Speaker 1: he could. He did run a couple of times, had

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Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns, but I don't think the Saints

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Speaker 1: care how they want. It's just that they did win.

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Speaker 1: And we always think about the Saints, is this high

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Speaker 1: octane offense and it's not. This was when Drew Brees

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Speaker 1: is at his peak. It's a high octane offensive team.

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Speaker 1: The truth is that team is long gone. They need

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Speaker 1: help from a defensive line, where you saw that yesterday

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Speaker 1: against Atlanta did a nice job. The future of Hill

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Speaker 1: at quarterback is still uncertain, but it might not matter.

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Speaker 1: It's one week and the Saints have to feel that

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Speaker 1: Taysom Hill got off to a great start holding down

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Speaker 1: the Ford until Drew Breese can get healthy and return

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Speaker 1: to lead the Saints. Also, you're trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what you have with Taysom Hill. That was surprising at

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Speaker 1: least when I heard that from Sean Payton. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to see what he has in Taysom Hill. I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: you know what you have in Taysom Hill at this point,

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Speaker 1: and you've had him in your system for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we the public didn't know. Don't know. I still

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Speaker 1: don't know what they have. I think he had a

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Speaker 1: really good game. He was dangerous at Lanta, was a

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Speaker 1: little bit out of sword, trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: was going on. He got confidence as he moved along there,

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Speaker 1: felt like the offense became a little bit more his.

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Speaker 1: But I still don't know if he's every week quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a starting quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But when Drew Brees comes back, then Taysom Hill go

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Speaker 1: back to doing whatever Taysom Hill does. I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: how many ribs do you have? Because keep in mind,

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Speaker 1: when we saw this sack on Drew Breese and I went, okay,

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Speaker 1: two broken ribs. First it was a it was a contusion,

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Speaker 1: Then it became two broken ribs. Then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's a collapse long, then all of a sudden, it's

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Speaker 1: a few more broken ribs. Then it's eleven broken ribs. There,

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Speaker 1: I think we have twenty four. So he had almost

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Speaker 1: half his ribs broken on that play, which I don't

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Speaker 1: believe is possible. But he's out for a little while

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Speaker 1: with the eleven broken ribs. Yes, right, you have twelve

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Speaker 1: pairs of ribs, making it twenty four total. Thank you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you don't appreciate that, MD, you could add that too much,

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Speaker 1: all right, thank you. But watching Taysom Hill, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not rooting against Taysom Hill, gosh. I go back to

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Speaker 1: when he was at BYU. We had him on like

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Speaker 1: this was twenty fourteen. We saw something in him. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know if he's consistent enough as a passer.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at the game plan, not Taysom Hill,

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Speaker 1: because if you're going to bring him in, is he

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Speaker 1: the right person to bring in instead of Jameis Winston.

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Speaker 1: I thought Jameis Winston could play the role that Cheddy

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Speaker 1: Bridgewater did when Drew got hurt last year. Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: probably wasn't comfortable with what he's seen with James Jamis

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Speaker 1: or he said, I'm more comfortable in this style against

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Speaker 1: this defense with Taysom Hill, whatever his game plan is.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's forgot more football than I know. Here is

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton after the win. I thought he played well.

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Speaker 1: You know, he had the one turnover late in the

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Speaker 1: game in the four minute. You know, we had a

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Speaker 1: big touchdown pass called back. But look, it was a

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Speaker 1: good team win. I thought we were fantastic defensively. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what our rushing numbers were, but I think

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Speaker 1: managed to take advantage of enough opportunities to win that game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they did what they needed to do. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: going to get to the Atlanta team, and I don't

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Speaker 1: want people to say, well it's Atlanta. Atlanta has played

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Speaker 1: better and in that series, you go back through the

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Speaker 1: years the decades, you see the team that's not supposed

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Speaker 1: to win ends up winning that game, but they pick

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Speaker 1: up the win. Rams and Buccaneers coming up tonight, Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrows out for the season. I know that they said

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Speaker 1: more serious than just that. But that's only because having

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, but he's done for the season. The Steelers

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Speaker 1: are ten and oh, and you know, you start to

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Speaker 1: just how good is somebody and how bad is somebody,

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Speaker 1: and how questionable some teams are. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens are vulnerable and they're just not the same team.

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Speaker 1: They lost Ronnie Stanley, and he's a great offensive lyman

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Speaker 1: yonda retired and it just feels like the Ravens can

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Speaker 1: be bullied a little bit. And you saw that with

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Speaker 1: this season. But all of a sudden, you're looking at Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: I remember some of the analyst experts, talking heads looked

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Speaker 1: at Baltimore and said they might go undefeated. They could

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Speaker 1: be fifteen and one. I think they're gonna be struggling

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Speaker 1: just to make the playoffs here, and maybe they'll be

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Speaker 1: a dangerous out when they get there. But you start

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Speaker 1: AFC right now? I know Kansas City is, but they're

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Speaker 1: holding on for dear life to beat the Raiders. Titans

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Speaker 1: had been struggling. I don't know that that defense is

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Speaker 1: not as formidable as it was last year. Browns are okay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're just okay. They haven't really beaten anybody

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, but there's no drama. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how good the Bills are. They're inconsistent. I

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Speaker 1: think you start to run down. Then I got Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: I'm sold on Pittsburgh is long as Ben is healthy.

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Speaker 1: Sold on Pittsburgh. And then you got this game coming

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Speaker 1: up on Thanksgiving with the Ravens, and suddenly that becomes

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Speaker 1: a huge game for the Ravens. The Steelers are four

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Speaker 1: Saints are still there. I don't know what to expect

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Speaker 1: out of the Buccaneers tonight. It's like Brady goes to bed,

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Speaker 1: problem when you're playing in primetime. It's a big night

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Speaker 1: for the Rams as well, and once again they have

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Speaker 1: another East Coast game Eastern time zone where they have

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Speaker 1: to go cross country again this year. Yeah, Paul, remember

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Speaker 1: when we made fun of the Eagles for taking that tie.

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Speaker 1: They're playing the long game early, very long game. They

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Speaker 1: there with wins and losses. Back to Joe Burrow, every

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Speaker 1: time you draft a quarterback like this, I always say,

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Speaker 1: how good's the offensive line? Because we saw this with

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, and I remember, you know how many times,

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Speaker 1: how many seasons, how many games did I say, if

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Speaker 1: they don't protect him, he'll be out of the game

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Speaker 1: And I think Andrew Luck got to the point where

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Speaker 1: be like when I'm fifty, but I don't like what

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Speaker 1: I feel like right now, and you've got a great

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Speaker 1: offensive line, he decided to retire. If you're going to

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Speaker 1: expose Joe Burrow, and the Bengals exposed Joe Burrow this

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Speaker 1: year two hits. It's not a question of if, but when,

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Speaker 1: and that is a big, big concern for this team. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you want to have a great offensive line. But you

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Speaker 1: the Colts did, and then you spend fifteen cents on

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Speaker 1: an offensive line. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals have to make sure that they have a

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Speaker 1: good offensive line if they're going to expose Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: to the number of quarterback hits. Here's Zach Taylor, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals head coach, on that topic. It's hard for me

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Speaker 1: because all we can do is make progress. This the

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Speaker 1: season goes and we give up a lot of pressure

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Speaker 1: early in the season, and these last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: our guys have done a great job of keeping people

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Speaker 1: off Joe. He's had a great pocket. You know, he

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Speaker 1: did not have a sack in the first half and

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Speaker 1: the hit as I saw, it wasn't when he had

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Speaker 1: the ball in his hand. And so, you know, people

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Speaker 1: keep talking about the offensive line without seemingly watching the

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Speaker 1: prone from the last four weeks. Again, those guys have

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Speaker 1: They're doing a great job. Joe's done a good job.

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Speaker 1: Movies down the field, and we felt like we were

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Speaker 1: making a lot of progress over the last five weeks.

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Speaker 1: And we're not gonna apologize for any there. Okay, Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow's in a hospital bed today, but no need to apologize.

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Speaker 1: Burrow four hundred and four passing attempts this year, by comparison,

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Speaker 1: most in the league. Matt Ryan three eighty eight, Brady

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Speaker 1: You expose him to those hits. Maybe he doesn't get sacked,

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Speaker 1: think for getting sacked over fifty times this year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: isn't this sort of a structural problem with the number

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Speaker 1: one overall pick because you're gonna have a bad offensive

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Speaker 1: line no matter where you go. You know, beat the

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Speaker 1: team's terrible. Like next year, the Jags or the Jets. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Jets got a great tackle. I know. I their

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Speaker 1: offensive line is probably better than the Bengals, and the

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Speaker 1: Jets aren't going to win a game this year, right,

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Speaker 1: But if you're taking Trevor Lawrence, you better have a

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Speaker 1: good offensive line. I'm not saying great offensive line. I'm

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Speaker 1: saying a good offensive line. But it's like, what could

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Speaker 1: go But the Jets always find a way to screw

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Speaker 1: it up. Something will go wrong. I mean, Mahomes has

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Speaker 1: been sacked twelve times. I don't know how many times

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Speaker 1: he gets hit. But these bad teams and you're always

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Speaker 1: behind and Joe Burrow's passing and you're going to get hit.

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Speaker 1: And it was a hit that the NFL is trying

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Speaker 1: to get out of the league. It's one of those

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Speaker 1: low hits, and you know it's unfortunate because Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: was probably your rookie of the year. Although I will

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Speaker 1: say I watched a lot of Justin Herbert yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: never saw him throw like this at Oregon. He's athletic,

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Speaker 1: but he is throwing dimes that first half. I know

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Speaker 1: and he was at times spectacular yesterday. He's been great,

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Speaker 1: it really has. He's been a great quarterback when you

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Speaker 1: consider a rookie doing what he's doing. I didn't expect this.

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Speaker 1: Tua got bench yesterday. I think some of it was

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Speaker 1: based off performance. But he got sacked six times. It

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Speaker 1: might have been one of those for health reasons. Let's

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Speaker 1: sit him down and bring in Ryan Fitzpatrick and you

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Speaker 1: get you know, the lower hits. He got hit in

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Speaker 1: And if I'm you know Ryan Flores, I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: but like a few weeks where we're going, oh, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, like is he gonna get up? I mean

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of that, and to me, that

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Speaker 1: did bother me. I know, they're trying to win a

429
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Speaker 1: football game, but I do think with where they add

430
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Speaker 1: in their franchise and the fact that he is their franchise, yeah,

431
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Speaker 1: there should have been a little bit more emphasis on

432
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Speaker 1: let's protect him. Yeah, we might look a little bit uglier,

433
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Speaker 1: but we're at least going to be healthy going into

434
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one with a really damn good quarterback. I

435
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: thought that the Dolphins Brian Flores just said, I can't

436
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: leave two out there. He was sacked six times. The

437
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: last one was looked like he landed a little awkwardly.

438
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: It was, you know, lower leg. You know, it felt

439
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: like he was struggling a little bit. But that might

440
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 1: have been just self preservation to take him out and

441
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Speaker 1: bringing in and Fitzpatrick. Yeah, I think so, you know

442
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: it was it was Vic Fangio's a good defensive mind.

443
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: It did look like you know, and again I'll be

444
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: tempted to watch the film and really get the answers.

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00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: But you know, yes, under pressure in the pocket, but

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00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: also a lot of plays where I think you saw

447
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: it the same where where he's in the pocket it's

448
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: pretty good and he doesn't want to throw nobody's open,

449
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: he's not sure what he's looking at, whatever that reason

450
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Speaker 1: may be. Obviously, the offense wasn't cooking all cylinders. And

451
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Speaker 1: this is where you know, we still have to see

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Speaker 1: more of Tua. This was the first game where it

453
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Speaker 1: was kind of like, hey, the special teams, the defense,

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Speaker 1: they're they're not dominating today. You're gonna have to make

455
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Speaker 1: some plays and the bootlegs and just the one on

456
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: one fade balls aren't going to be there. And you know,

457
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Speaker 1: now we'll see as we go board if Tua can

458
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: take that next you know, step up in his level

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Speaker 1: of development and say, hey, when the team's not doing good,

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Speaker 1: don't worry, guys, get on my left shoulder and I'll

461
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: throw the ball around the lot and make things happen.

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Speaker 1: Christ Pro Football Talk Live co host on Peacock You

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Speaker 1: had a top ten list? Was that last week? And

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger was not on your top ten quarterback list, right, Yeah, feedback,

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Speaker 1: did you did you hear from Steeler fans? Well, yeah

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Speaker 1: I did. I heard a lot from the Steeler fans.

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00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: I had to like stop looking at my social media.

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00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 1: I had people from Pittsburgh calling me, you know, as

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Speaker 1: far as the radio stations wanting to get me on there.

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Speaker 1: I had. Big Ben's playing awesome, There's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of damn good quarterbacks in football right now.

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Speaker 1: I would argue there's not a quarterback problem. You've heard

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Speaker 1: me said this before. There's an offensive coordinator problem. There's

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Speaker 1: not a quarterback problem. Big Ben is amazing. But I

475
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Speaker 1: just think the thing I have dan where I just

476
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: left him out right, is he's on a really good team.

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Speaker 1: We know he's got great weapons, and they got a

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Speaker 1: defense that's unbelievable. You know, a lot of these other

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks I got in the top ten, the game is

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Speaker 1: dictated by the quarterback. Their team is built around that

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00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: what he can do. They apply pressures, a pressure on

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Speaker 1: team through the quarterback. With Pittsburgh just like you saw yesterday. Yeah,

483
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: the end result looked good, but hey, there's been some

484
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: underwhelming performances. He has the defense to sit there and

485
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: create plays and he can take his time. Oh wait,

486
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: so it looks ugly and then they get a feel

487
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: in the third quarter of what you're doing, and he

488
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Speaker 1: hit some big plays at all that it's amazing. I'm

489
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Speaker 1: not trying to disrespect him. I have a ton of

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Speaker 1: respect for him. But no, I don't think he's one

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Speaker 1: of the ten best in the game right now. But

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Speaker 1: I think he's in the top five MVP though, because

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Speaker 1: I looked at the Steelers and I said, if Ben

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Speaker 1: is healthy, they're the most dangerous, intriguing team going into

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00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: this season. I just didn't know and still don't know

496
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Speaker 1: if Ben can stay healthy the entire year. But everything

497
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: else is there for them to be a legitimate super

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Speaker 1: Bowl contender. Which is it sounds strange he's not in

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Speaker 1: your top ten, but he might be in your top

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Speaker 1: five MVP. Well yeah, well this is this is the

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00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: world we're in. I mean, the MVP is it's like

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Speaker 1: the high who's the best quarterback on the best team

503
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: and that we're gonna give it to And that's all

504
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 1: it comes down to. So it's it's it's I understand

505
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: that talk he's doing a great job of managing football games.

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00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: He hasn't made a lot of mistakes. I mean, he's

507
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: really doing unbelievable things, and his ability to throw the

508
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: ball down the field is still special. But when I

509
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying to Dan, some of the guys

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Speaker 1: they got in the top ten, they have far less

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00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: help around them. They're capable of making a lot more

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00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: happen on their own off schedule, doing things like that,

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00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: and that's where I don't look at him as being

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Speaker 1: top tier anymore. And trust me, I'm a huge big

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Speaker 1: Ben fan. I think he is one of those guys

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Speaker 1: that's kind of under the radar in the conversation for

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Speaker 1: one of the ten greatest quarterbacks of all time. I

518
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: think he's that good. But man, some of those guys

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00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: I got in my top ten list, they are special,

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00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: special players. Yeah, but you call him underrated, but you

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00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: underrate him, Well, it's one year I'm talking about. He's

522
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: been pining since dinosaurs we're walking the Earth. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: this is this is one year, and it's it's it's

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00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: a it's a. It is weird with the fact that yes,

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Speaker 1: a ten no football team and there is no true

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00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: standout MVP candidate. But I think that speaks to the

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00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: amount of studs they have on their football team in

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00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh there too. I mean, whether it's the two safeties yesterday,

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00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: the pass rushers to it, Heyward, I mean, you know

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00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: the receivers they got right now. There's there's a lot

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00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: of guys that are making plays to help that football

532
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: team win games. And I know the quarterback gets a

533
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: lot of that credit, and I don't want to take

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00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: anything away from them, but yeah, I just don't look

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00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: them that way. Yes I did. How concerned should we

536
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: be about the Ravens. I think there's legitimate concern. I

537
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: think you're seeing without Klais Campbell and then like a

538
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: no Brandon Williams last the last two weeks, they get

539
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: pushed around a little bit in the run game. We're

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00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: not used to seeing their defense get physically moved around

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00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: that way. And then the biggest thing, you know, again,

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00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 1: we've talked the league is caught up to the Lamar

543
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: Jackson run scheme. Their offensive line isn't totally one hundred

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00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: percent healthy, and now we've hit two the point of okay,

545
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: so what's next? Baltimore? Who else? There's got to be

546
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: something else to the offense. It can't just be run

547
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: game and Mark Andrews in the pass game. That's all

548
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: there is to it. There's no wide receiver involvement, there's

549
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: no really creative pass games. There's no other element of

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00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: the offense to look at right now to go wait.

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00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: As a defense, I have to worry about this guy

552
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: or this thing they do. And that's where I worry

553
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: about them. Dan mclovin brings up the Eagles and Carson

554
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: Wentz every week. It's a topic, it's a national topic.

555
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: It's we got to solve this. It's America's nightmare. We

556
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: got to find out what's wrong with Carson Wentz and

557
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Should they just go to Jalen Hurts. I

558
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 1: don't think Jalen from all accounts, I don't know if

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00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is ready yet. I think they're at the

560
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: point here where I would dabble with more of a

561
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts wrinkle in the offense on a consistent basis.

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00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: I think that's where i'd probably go more than anything.

563
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: It is not a great offense, it's not great weapons,

564
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: but they do need some other element and Carson Wentz.

565
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: I've been a defender of them. It's hard to defend it.

566
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's crappy, it's careless, it's horrible pocket awareness.

567
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 1: He's costing his team and they can't make plays on offense.

568
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: So maybe you bring a Jalen hurtson and kind of

569
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: like the Taysom Hill type of fashion, where hey, we

570
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: create some plays, some schimmatical advantages, do something like that.

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00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: It can't hurt because their offense is sucky ducky every week.

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00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ducky ducky, Yes, ducky a technical term. Yes,

573
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: game more important tonight for the Rams of the Buccaneers.

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00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I would say the Buccaneers. I don't know if I'm

575
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: that's a tough one. I'm not sure it's so tough

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00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: for both of them. Wow. Um. I'd probably say the

577
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: Buccaneers though, because they're still kind of a work in progress.

578
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: They've had the primetime failures things like that, and uh yeah,

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00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I wonder if I don't know

580
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: if they're concrete it's sold on their plan of attack yet.

581
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: I hope they stayed with what they we saw last week.

582
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: Two tight ends underneath the center run the ball. Brady

583
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: is awesome, awful play action in those deep passes. If

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00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: they can do that, I think they'll win the game

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00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: to night. The Rams have made five trips to the

586
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Eastern time zone in the last nine games. Right, That's amazing.

587
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: But doesn't see better, No, it does not. But they're

588
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: not going to make excuses. The one thing you could

589
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: say about the Rams is they show up every week

590
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: ready to compete, tough. I've only seen them not show

591
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: up once in the whole McVeigh era, and that was

592
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: that last year's Monday Night game against the ball the

593
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: more Ravens. Other than that, they're always ready to go.

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00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: I do think the Bucks are a tough matchup for them,

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00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, with the weapons, big offensive line. That's why

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00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: I think you run the ball a little bit. It's

597
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: a smaller defense with the Rams. And then on the

598
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: other side of the ball, you would think with Shaq

599
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: Barrett and JPP they could stop that zone speed sweep stuff.

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Speaker 1: The middle linebackers they have in Levant David and Devin White,

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00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good sideline. The sideline, I think they

602
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: match up well. I think they win a close one.

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Speaker 1: Always great to see you. We appreciate your time. Chris,

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00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us, Bun. You're the man, Dan say

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00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: hid Everybody be good. That's Chris Simps from a Football

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Speaker 1: Night in America and also Pro Football Talk Live. Be

607
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick

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00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on

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00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart Radio WAPP. A lot

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00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: to digest over the weekend. Ram's Buccaneers coming up tonight,

611
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow out for the season, Steelers improved to ten,

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00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: and oh, big question marks attached to the Baltimore Ravens

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00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: who have a short work week they get ready for

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00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: the Steelers Thanksgiving. Taysom Hill with a nice debut. College football,

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00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: Northwestern beats Wisconsin, Ohio State survives Indiana, and Florida State

616
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: taps out of the Clemson game. Speaking of that game,

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00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Clemson made the trip, they had set up a tent,

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Speaker 1: they were going to do all the testing, they were

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Speaker 1: going to get ready. They needed this game against Florida State,

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Speaker 1: and then Florida State decided to tap out. And here's

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Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney talking about that decision. He was not pleased,

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Speaker 1: and as Dan said, we offered the test again. Play

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Speaker 1: Saturday night, Sunday Monday, and it was declined. We spent

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00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: three several hundred thousand dollars three hundred plus thousand dollars

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00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: to travel. We set up a Ringling Brother's tent, took

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00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: an entire parking lot to do what we have to

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00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: do to meet the standards. We had people travel from

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Speaker 1: all over the country to come to the game to

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Speaker 1: see the game. We met the standard to play and

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Speaker 1: we should have played. We have mitigated everything all year long,

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Speaker 1: all year meetings, practices, meals, housing, how we travel. If

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Speaker 1: the standard to play was zero positive tests, then we

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00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: would have never had a season. This game was not

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Speaker 1: canceled because of COVID. COVID was just an excuse to

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Speaker 1: cancel the game. And to be honest with you, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it has anything to do with their players.

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Speaker 1: I have no doubt that their players wanted to play

638
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Speaker 1: and would have played, and same with the coaches. To me,

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Speaker 1: the Florida State administration forfeited the game. And if they

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Speaker 1: want to play Clemson, in my opinion, they need to

641
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: come to Clemson or they need to pay for all expenses.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, there's no reason for us to play them.

643
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Speaker 1: We were there, We were ready, and we met the standards.

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Speaker 1: Dabo calls out Florida States, saying they just didn't want

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Speaker 1: to play Clemson, but there are numerous reports that the

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Speaker 1: cancelation shows a major weakness in college football's protocol due

647
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Speaker 1: to the timing of the test. Dabbo doesn't come off

648
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Speaker 1: as very sensitive here with players safety, but he does

649
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Speaker 1: have a point with you got on a plane to

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Speaker 1: go down there, you spent the money to go down there,

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Speaker 1: You set up safety protocols, you were going to do

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Speaker 1: testing when you got there, And was it one player

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Speaker 1: that made you nervous? Because if you're waiting for zero percent,

654
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: it's not happening. Zero test, positive test. I mean, that's

655
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Speaker 1: not going to happen right now, not at this late

656
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Speaker 1: stage in college football. But the ACC canceled this game

657
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: and Dabo Sweeney won some answers there. Drafting quarterback Joe

658
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Burrow appeared to be a stroke of luck for the

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Speaker 1: Bengals franchise, and this is a team that hasn't had

660
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: much luck in recent years. But Burrow is out now.

661
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: He hurt his knee on Sunday, gone for the rest

662
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Speaker 1: of the season. He had a strong rookie season and

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Speaker 1: the Bengals were interesting. You can have teams that are

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Speaker 1: good but they're not relevant. You can have bad teams

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Speaker 1: that aren't relevant. The Bengals aren't a good team, but

666
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Speaker 1: they were relevant because of Joe Burrow. There was something there.

667
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: He was the face of college football. Then he goes

668
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Speaker 1: to the Bengals. He's averaging forty pass attempts per game,

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Speaker 1: and that came back and haunt him because he got hurt,

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Speaker 1: got sacked yesterday and he's done for the rest of

671
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Speaker 1: the year. But it felt like the Bengals were asking

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Speaker 1: him to do a lot. It's one thing just to

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Speaker 1: play the position, it's another thing to play it well

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Speaker 1: as a rookie, and it felt like they were asking

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Speaker 1: him to do herculean task here. And the key is

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Speaker 1: he had the talent to throw it forty times a game,

677
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Speaker 1: But did they have the talent to protect him from

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00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: throwing at forty times a game? Was it a question

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Speaker 1: of if? But not when he was going to get

680
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: hurt with that exposure there. The number of times you

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Speaker 1: get hit as a quarterback, not sacks, the number of

682
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Speaker 1: times you're getting hit. But Joe Burrow hopes to pick

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00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: up where he left off. He had a great tweak.

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Speaker 1: Can't get rid of me that easily. I'll see you

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Speaker 1: next year, and he had had a great start to

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Speaker 1: an NFL career. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick

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Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday

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Speaker 1: morning nine until noon eastern six to nine Pacific on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and you can find us on the

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Speaker 1: Peacock app. He's Mike Triplic ESPN NFL Nation reporter covering

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Speaker 1: the Saints. I saw where Taysom Hill gave himself a

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Speaker 1: B B plus after the game. What great would you

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Speaker 1: give him, Mike, Well, it depends that are we're grading

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Speaker 1: on the curve of the expectations that were sold for him,

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Speaker 1: then it would be then it would probably be an

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Speaker 1: eight plus. But that's fair. He missed a couple of throws,

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Speaker 1: actually completed a forty four yard or on one of

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Speaker 1: the throws he missed, But then he had a couple

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Speaker 1: that would have made it even more specially complete a

701
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 1: fifty seven yard touchdown pass that was called back by holding.

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Speaker 1: But look, I think this was proof not that he

703
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: is the next Steve Young, not that he's even going

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00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: to be the Saints next starter after Drew Brees retires,

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00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: but that he's not just a gimmick and that he

706
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: can be a pocket passer with running ability. Sean Payton

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Speaker 1: wasn't making all this stuff up or just trying to

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00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: show off when he kept saying he believed he could

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00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: win with Taysom Hill a quarterback. Was Sean Payton gloating

710
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: post game, not as much as we all would have liked,

711
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: I think, but at least one retweet of Roddy White,

712
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: the former Falcons receiver, who I think when Sean Payton

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00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: retweeted that cold take, he was sort of choosing the

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00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: one that would represent all of the cold takes that

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Speaker 1: he would be up all night if he was looking

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Speaker 1: for all of them. I didn't think they were going

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Speaker 1: to go with Taysom Hill. I just thought that Jamis

718
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: Winston made the most sense. And I'm not rooting against

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Speaker 1: Taysom Hill or the experiment there. It just felt like

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Speaker 1: maybe Jamis Winston, under the tutely to Sean Payton and

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00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, was going to be able to manage a

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Speaker 1: game a little bit more intelligently and not take chances there.

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Speaker 1: What does Taysom Hill like as Taysom Hill is this

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Speaker 1: week to week or is Taysom Hill there as long

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Speaker 1: as Drew is out, Well, it's hard to envision them

726
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Speaker 1: doing anything week tweet now, they're not afraid of some subterviews.

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Speaker 1: They obviously kept this a secret as long as they

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Speaker 1: could last week, so it wouldn't be the most surprising

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Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen if there is a out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere Jamis Winston game plan one day. But I think

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Speaker 1: the more likely ideas that they stick with Taysom Hill,

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Speaker 1: because look, this wasn't a huge surprise in the grand

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Speaker 1: scheme of things. I mean, they did just pay Taysom

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Speaker 1: Hill two years twenty one million dollars in the off season,

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Speaker 1: a couple months before they ever even signed Jameis Winston

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Speaker 1: in the first place, and they've been talking for years

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Speaker 1: about Taysom Hill being next in line. It actually you

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Speaker 1: can make an argument would have been unfair to have

739
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Speaker 1: Winston leap frog him. This is his fourth year in

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Speaker 1: the system and he's been waiting his turn, and Payton

741
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Speaker 1: said he deserves this. The only reason I thought they

742
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: might stick with Winston is because I thought it might

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Speaker 1: be a harder midseason transition to Taysom Hill. I thought

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Speaker 1: maybe it would have taken more than one week to

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Speaker 1: game plan for Taysom Hill change the offense around him.

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Speaker 1: But I think two things happen. One, we saw that

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton has had these Taysom Hill ideas in his

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00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: mind for a long time. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: Hill plays in the playbook. And two, he was more

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Speaker 1: of a pocket passer than anyone expected. There were a

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Speaker 1: small amount of designed run and he stood back in

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Speaker 1: the pocket quite a bit. Now, one of those touchdown

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Speaker 1: runs was on a design pass play that broke down,

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Speaker 1: which is an element he brings. But they're not just

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Speaker 1: relying on his legs when he runs this off. But

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Speaker 1: what I didn't understand, Mike, is that Sean Payton basically said, look,

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Speaker 1: we have to find out what we have in Taysom Hill.

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Speaker 1: At this point, you still don't know what you have

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Speaker 1: in Taysom Hill, well, not necessarily, And you know he

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00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: didn't come out and say that openly. I think that

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00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: was a source attributed to him. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: a combination of two things. It's their belief that he

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Speaker 1: could potentially replace Drew Brees as a starter is genuine.

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Speaker 1: So if you are someone who really believes that, why

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Speaker 1: wouldn't he be the guy that you put into this situation.

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Speaker 1: You can't just keep putting him on hold and keep

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Speaker 1: him as a maybe they need a starter this week.

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Speaker 1: If they believe in Taysom Hill, why shouldn't he be

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Speaker 1: the starter. What's the update on Drew Brees? The latest

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00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: he came out and he told Edwarder that he is

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00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: optimistic he can come back after the three weeks he's

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00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: required to miss with injured reserve. So many unknowns with

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Speaker 1: this injury. You can't just look up oh yeah, you know,

774
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: punctured lungs always take four weeks. You can't do that.

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00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be a lot of medical updates, but

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00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: we do know that he's going to be determined to

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00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: come back, and that optimism that he expressed after talking

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00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: to a lot of doctors makes it seem realistic he

779
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: could do that before the regular season. Is why does

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Speaker 1: this injury get worse? It feels like every other day

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00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: like they've added has another broken rib taken place? Here?

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Speaker 1: He's got eleven Mike, well, you know, he wants to

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Speaker 1: do everything to the fullest. But Brady is going to

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Speaker 1: come out and say he broke ten ribs, but that

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Speaker 1: number where Brady couldn't catch him. But do you think

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Speaker 1: that all of the all of this happened on that

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Speaker 1: one sack. It felt like he was prior to this, right,

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Speaker 1: He's been open about the latest reporting or what he

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00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: told Edward was that eight of them were on the

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Speaker 1: left side, which was a previous injury, and three of

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00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: them were on the right side, which was the new injury. Now,

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00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: he had been playing through that and playing pretty well.

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00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: He'd been on the injury report the shoulder injury, so

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00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: he had obviously been feeling some discomfort. But until all

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00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: the swelling one down, they didn't actually go in and

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Speaker 1: count each rib fracture. It's great to talk to you, Mike.

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00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: Certainly got a big story there with Taysom Hill and

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Speaker 1: then the return of the Saints. I thought the defensive

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Speaker 1: line won that game. I thought the pressure they put

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Speaker 1: on Matt Ryan was really the difference maker in my opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's three weeks in a row for the defense. I mean,

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00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: he saw him on Sunday at Football thirty eight three

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Speaker 1: over Tampa. They were playing great, and that was the

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00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: case last year when Teddy everybody remembers Teddy Bridgewater went

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Speaker 1: five and I was the Saint starter. Defense was playing

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Speaker 1: a big role in that as well. Thank you, Mike,

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00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's Mike Triplett, ESPN NFL Nation reporter covering

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Speaker 1: search f SR to listen live. A lot of basketball

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00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: moves over the weekend. I thought the Lakers did really,

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00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: really well, and I thought, let's bring in Chris Mannox

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00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 1: to kind of summarize everything that happened. Sports Illustrated NBA

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Speaker 1: senior writer busy weekend here, Mannix, the most surprising positive

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00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: move of the weekend was what positive? I'm not sure.

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00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought you said the Lakers did well.

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00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think Mark Gasol is a

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00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: very useful pick up for them at the end of

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Speaker 1: all this, and you know the changes they made to

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Speaker 1: the backcourt, Wesley Matthews among others, are I think are

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Speaker 1: going to work out for that team. I really like

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Speaker 1: what the Bucks did, you know, I know they wanted Bogdanovic,

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Speaker 1: that was their top choice in that sign and trade.

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Speaker 1: But I thought they rebounded pretty well from that, you know,

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Speaker 1: by you know, getting a guy like Brent Forbes and

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Speaker 1: a handful of others to Bobby Porters to fortify that bench,

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Speaker 1: bringing back Pat Conadon, who I think is going to

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Speaker 1: play a big role for that team. And look, they

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Speaker 1: still have Drew Oliday, who addressed a lot of issues

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Speaker 1: for them there. So look, it wasn't anything seismic. I

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00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: think that that that tipped the balance of power in

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00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: a significant way. But uh, you know, the top teams

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Speaker 1: I thought did well in sort of refortifying the positions. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me go back to the Lakers, because I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're done yet. I saw where Mark Stein

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Speaker 1: said that the Lakers and Clippers trying to sign Mark

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Speaker 1: Keith Morris. You know, this is I don't know if

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00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: it's you know, these players are more apt to want

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00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: to play with Lebron, the point guard Lebron and be

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00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: a part of a championship team. You know, I think

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00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: Montrez Harrold, you know, walking from one side of the

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00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: the Staples Center to the other side, I mean, that's

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00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 1: pretty seismic. Move. It feels like there that you want

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00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: to try to cash in and win a championship. It

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00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: feels like do you get that feeling that these players

847
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: all you know, all in on getting a chance to

848
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: play with Lebron and playing a chance to win a title. Well,

849
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: I mean yes and no. Um, you know, with Mark

850
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: Kieth Morris, it's just a weird situation like he and

851
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: his brother are as inseparable as you possibly can be

852
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: when you play for different teams, and he would really

853
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: like to play alongside his brother if the Clippers can

854
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: make that work. So that's that's one aspect of it.

855
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: The market for Harold wasn't great and that surprised me

856
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: a little bit because he's coming off of you know,

857
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: the year he's coming off. But it wasn't exceptionally robust

858
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: market for how which is why I think he you know,

859
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: look at it's a two year deal, but it's really

860
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 1: a one year deal with the option, So he could

861
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: punt the free agency in twenty twenty one and see,

862
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, as the there's gonna be more teams with

863
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: free agent cash available as teams load up for that summer,

864
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: so maybe in cash in that year and look with

865
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: Harold Like, he's a really good player, don't get me wrong,

866
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: but I'm not exactly sure about the fit with Anthony

867
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: Davis because we know Davis likes to play alongside you know,

868
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: traditional big men, right, Like, he doesn't want to be

869
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: a five. He's accepted spurts at the end of games

870
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 1: and in the playoffs, he wants to save his body

871
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 1: against that where it's there. I mean, Harold can play five,

872
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: but he's not your traditional type of five. That's why

873
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: I think the Gasol signing was badly needed in the

874
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: aftermath of losing Dwight Howard. I mean, Gasol not what

875
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: he used to be, but I think he'll be an

876
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: incredible weapon top of the key, passing the ball, shooting

877
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: threes and just basketball IQ. I think he's going to

878
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: be a real threat for for that team. So Harold's

879
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: a good player. But I was Harold plus Gasol made

880
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: me think the Lakers had a good day. Did the

881
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: Hornets have a good weekend? I don't know what the

882
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: Hornets are doing or what their their thought process is,

883
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Like Gordon Hayward. Gordon Hayward won the off season and

884
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: Mark Bartlestein is agent. They won the offseason. I couldn't

885
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: have imagined after opting out of a four year of

886
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: a thirty four and a half million dollar contract for

887
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: next season in Boston, that there would be one hundred

888
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: and twenty million dollars on the table for him. There

889
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: were teams interested. I mean, Tom Thibodeau really pushed Gordon

890
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Hayward in New York Indiana, tried to construct a sign

891
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: and trade. But the idea that the Hornets would be

892
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: there with the Buck twenty is mind blowing. This is

893
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: the same Horned team that kind of shrugged its shoulders

894
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: a kemball Walker, at least didn't didn't go all out

895
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: to try to resign kemball Walker just a year ago.

896
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: This is a Hornets team that tied itself to Nick

897
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: Batoom a few years back in what was an awful

898
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: contract that they are now stretching so they can sign

899
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward. So Gordon Hayward, Dan's gonna make thirty million

900
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: dollars a year himself, But because of the Nick Batoum stretch,

901
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: if that's how it plays out, which I think it will,

902
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Gordon's gonna be costing like thirty nine million dollars a year.

903
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: That is truly bonkers for a team that isn't going anywhere,

904
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: Like they're like, what are they gonna do? Go from

905
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 1: like with Gordon Hayward, go from twelfth in the Western

906
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: and Eastern Conference to ten, Like I don't I don't

907
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: understand Michael Jordan, Mitch Cupshack the thinking there they got

908
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball, he brings some star power. You want to

909
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: build the round him. Gordon's thirty, Like you just bringing

910
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: him into gift LaMelo someone a past two for a

911
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: couple of years as you missed the playoffs. I just

912
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: I thought Nick Putoum's contract as an expiring would have

913
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: been much more valuable in some kind of trade scenario

914
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: where teams are trying to cut cut costs for next

915
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: summer if Yannis is available, than just waiving him and

916
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: making Gordon effectively a forty million dollars for your player.

917
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: Does everybody have to get a max you know, like

918
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell and Jason Tatum, Like it's it's five one

919
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: ninety five and that's it, Like there's no other option

920
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: where you go, Hey, maybe you'd like to give you

921
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: a five for one seventy five? Why is it it

922
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: feels like this is like NFL quarterback contracts where next

923
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: guy up or everybody's getting the max amount at quarterbacking position.

924
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: And then these NFL max deals, yeah, I mean not

925
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: on rookie contracts. Like if a player is at an

926
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: all star level, they've become a max guy. And part

927
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: of that is the cops that are out there right

928
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: like a second free agency open, Sacramento gave the Aaron

929
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: Fox the Max. So if you're tought of a Mitchell,

930
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: you're not considering not the max anyway, and Utah wasn't

931
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: considering it either. But the fact that the Aaron Fox

932
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: is a Max guy, you are a Max guy. If

933
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: you're Jason Tatum, if those guys are Max guys, you're

934
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: a Max guy. They're just like you can't because these

935
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: have been handed out, and I agree they can hand

936
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: it out almost reflexively at this point because they're handed

937
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: out so frequently, there's almost no choice for teams to do.

938
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean players. You know, if I was a team,

939
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: maybe I'd play a little bit of hardball because no

940
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: player in the history of these contracts ever turned one

941
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: down because if they take let's say the qualifying offer,

942
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: that's not money they can ever get back right, Like,

943
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: if you're a player, it signs a shorter term deal,

944
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: you could always recoup money on the back end. But

945
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: if you sign a qualifying offer, that means for like

946
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: a Jason Tatum. I'm just making this number up, but

947
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: it's like ten million dollars in that first year. You

948
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: can't make up that money. So you want the twenty

949
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: million in that first year of the extension. So they're

950
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: always going to take it, at least being climbed to

951
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: take it. Maybe teams should play some hardball, but I

952
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: have no belief Dan, that's ever going to happen. Any

953
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: updates on James Harden now, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

954
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: I expect James Harden to be in training camp with

955
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: the Rockets, which isn't saying much since that opens like

956
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: tomorrow or you know, right around the corner. My sense

957
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: from talking to people in Houston and talking to people

958
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: that have inquired is that this is going to be

959
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: a protracted process. And I think I said this to

960
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: you last time I was on and it remains true.

961
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: The Westbrook domino kind of has to fall first, you know,

962
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: they have to find a home for Westbrook. I don't

963
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: know where that is. The Washington deal kind of raised

964
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: an eyebrow because I'm not sure what you do with

965
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: John wall either in that situation. Seems like, you know,

966
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: exchanging one distressed asset for another. But I don't expect

967
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: a hardened deal to happen until Westbrook. There's an outcome there,

968
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: And look, you do want to get team into a

969
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: bidding war, so maybe that takes until mid season to

970
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: get these teams to realize. You know, let's say Yannis

971
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: signs the extension next week, like or you don't want to,

972
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, make a deal for Harden when other teams

973
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: might who were preparing for Yannis might be available, team

974
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: like Miami or somebody else that might throw a real

975
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: offer at you. So I don't expect anything to happen

976
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: anytime soon with James Harden. Wait, I had Harden wanted

977
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: to play with Westbrook, like when did Like he's okay

978
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: now not playing with Westbrook right, Well, he's gonna go

979
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: down the list of X teammates rights Westbrook and now

980
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: was Durrant and Chris Paul. Just Christ Paul were reuniting

981
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: with the Clippers. I don't think that. I don't think

982
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: there's any friction with Russ and James. I just think, look,

983
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: they're like many people, if not most, thought they were

984
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: a tough match. Like you know, you you put two

985
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: guys together that are used to being alpha's, that have

986
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: two of the highest usage rates in NBA history, and

987
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: it's not easy to come together. To Russ's credit, I

988
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: think Russ changed, you know, during the year. I think

989
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: he evolved as a player to make things more accommodating

990
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: to playing with James. But it just it just didn't

991
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: feel like a long term fit when they acquired him,

992
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: and it still doesn't feel like a long term fit. Now.

993
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Good to talk to you so always, Chris. Thank you, Buddy,

994
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,959
Speaker 1: Ricky Rubio on the move again, Dan, Yeah, back to Minnesota.

995
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: I already have my Minnesota Rubio jersey, so I don't

996
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: need a new one. Now. I'm good. Chris Manning, Sports

997
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,279
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