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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest tonight is the one and only Peter Nude,

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Speaker 1: a k A. Hermit of Hermit's Hermits. Peter, so great

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Speaker 1: to have you. It's great. It's great to be hit Bobby.

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Speaker 1: I listened to your podcasts, and as you know, I've

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Speaker 1: been reading your left Sets letter for as long as

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Speaker 1: it's been out like a fan. Okay, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for being a fan, and I'm certainly a fan of

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Speaker 1: you and your work. But we're here in Hollywood at

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Speaker 1: the studio. You dropped your wife off at L a X.

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Speaker 1: You live in Santa Barbara. Yeah, I live in Santa

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Speaker 1: Barbara and I my wife and daughter are going. My

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Speaker 1: wife's family have a house in the south of France

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Speaker 1: and they like to go via Dublin, so they've dropped

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Speaker 1: him off at L a X. They flying to Dublin

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Speaker 1: and and to Nice and I'll join them in about

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Speaker 1: two weeks now. One of the reasons I asked this

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Speaker 1: is you got married when you were twenty what twenty

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Speaker 1: one birthday, and you have been married to the same

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Speaker 1: woman for fifty years exactly. We had our fiftieth wedding anniversary,

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Speaker 1: and the only person who showed up actually Mickey Moost's

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Speaker 1: wife and and Mickey mostly was my producer. His wife

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Speaker 1: and Tom Jones were the only people that we knew

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Speaker 1: that is still around from our wedding. Okay, so we

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Speaker 1: all know what being a rock stars like you were

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Speaker 1: as famous as anybody in the world. How did you

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Speaker 1: find this particular woman to marry? Um? It was very

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a strange one. I went to

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Speaker 1: the Bag of Nails to see Jimi Hendrix, who was

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Speaker 1: like newly in town. I think Eric Burdon had mentioned him.

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Speaker 1: And I went to the Bag of Nails and there

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Speaker 1: was a girl there and she was with another with

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Speaker 1: her sister, and they were speaking Hebrew and obviously I

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Speaker 1: can't we can wrote of Hebrew, and they were speaking Hebrew,

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Speaker 1: so that I because I could speak French, and they

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Speaker 1: were French, having spent some time in Israel. And the

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Speaker 1: guy who was with them said, would you dance with

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Speaker 1: my sister? And were they were aware of who you were? No,

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Speaker 1: absolutely no idea and the kid would snicks you know

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Speaker 1: then nothing about me, And of course they knew who

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Speaker 1: Johnny Halliday was, but there were no other people in

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Speaker 1: their lives musically, and we we met and we spoke

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Speaker 1: a little. I had schoolboy French, you know, like a

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Speaker 1: went away. And five months later I was in Hyde Park,

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Speaker 1: which is a big park. It's like walking in Central Park.

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Speaker 1: And I saw my future wife's sister and I walked

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Speaker 1: over at said, who where's your sister? And she said,

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Square. That's the Ambassador double two sixties. I said, great,

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Speaker 1: So I called her and she had no intent, no

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Speaker 1: headdressed as performance. So eventually we went out to dinner

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Speaker 1: and all those people actually goes, oh my goodness, I

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Speaker 1: he used to draw pictures of beds and wardrobes and things,

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Speaker 1: father Murray. And and I I went to I was

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Speaker 1: I went to the evenings. I went to the Manchester

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Speaker 1: lots of Second World War intrigue and dead husband's from

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Speaker 1: the Holocaust and the great, great interesting stuff for me.

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Speaker 1: So uh, we make this friendship. And one day we're

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Speaker 1: and we hear this voice Peter Noon, Peter Noon, because

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Speaker 1: your record is in the charts. It's sunshine girl. I

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Speaker 1: I got to go to New York. My my manager,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Silverman, is getting married in New York and my

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Speaker 1: future wife's and I don't do planes, so I go,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that was she took planes ever since then.

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Speaker 1: So we went to New York, married, we went to

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Speaker 1: And Porto Rico, and we did that show business stuff

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Speaker 1: and she still wanted to get She said, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that could be fun to be married. You you'd be fun.

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Speaker 1: You're a gentleman. And we got married. So how long

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Speaker 1: did you know her before you got married? Well, I

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Speaker 1: think September to November. I mean we I've I've finally

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Speaker 1: at first. My pot everybody gets divorced. What's the secret

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Speaker 1: of humor. You know, it's you know, it's really She

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Speaker 1: I'm amusing and I make fun of him self deprecating,

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Speaker 1: before I got married? Oh yeah, so twenty one is young.

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Speaker 1: My parents, um, we're very busy when I was young,

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Speaker 1: My mother went to Cambridge and my father went to Edinburgh.

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Speaker 1: And this was after they were married. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was after I know I was six or seven. Okay,

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Speaker 1: or four years. My mother got out a year earlier.

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Speaker 1: they were married till death to his part. It's a

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Speaker 1: go to this club. Some girls that I know say

429
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: they go to this club and I go there and

430
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: this man walks up to me and he goes, you're

431
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: Peter done. Yeah, And he said, look, our singer Malcolm

432
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: Lightfoot hasn't shown up tonight and we need a singer.

433
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: You probably know someone about the songs that we do.

434
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: So I said, well what do you do? And he goes, well,

435
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: we do the heartbeat by Body Holy them and then

436
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: a lot of body Holly material because they called the

437
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 1: heartbeats so they're they're like a body Holly. And then

438
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: and they say we do this and they said they say,

439
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: I know that I'll never dance again. Bobby Ryddell, I

440
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: know that one. I know that one that said so

441
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: I know all the songs and I get up on

442
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: stage and what were you known as a singer? Okay,

443
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: not not at all. I'm just known as a person

444
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: who knows a lot about music from girls, you know, uh,

445
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: he knows everything about music. That's what That's what that

446
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: was the word that was about. And and I did.

447
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: I knew a lot more than anybody else about music.

448
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: And they say after that, I do a really good job.

449
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm actually pretty good at that. I

450
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: don't do any movements or anything like that. Malcolm Lightfoot

451
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: maybe did some twisting or side and none of that.

452
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: And this at the end of the show, they said,

453
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: you know you would you like to join the band?

454
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: And I go, yeah, okay, well what does that mean?

455
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: And said, well, we've got a gig next week at

456
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 1: the Ermston Football Club and we're getting paid four pounds

457
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: and we split it five ways. And I go, well,

458
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: that's great. That's just about what I'm making selling programs

459
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: on the same night, so I can have two or

460
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: three gigs that that. It's all about money at that point,

461
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: and of course I get in the band and immediately

462
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: my instinct is to take it over. Let's start for

463
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: one second, you said earlier that your mother or father,

464
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: your father was a trombone player, and he wanted you

465
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: to have a music education, so you did study music

466
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: when you were a kid. Yeah. I went to Manchester

467
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: School of Music and most of it was just theory,

468
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, and I just waffled through it. That was

469
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: what would happen? Would I be? I'd be in a

470
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: in a in a in a classroom with people doing

471
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: respigee and Old Delmo, Dolcedor and that kind of stuff.

472
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: That was kind of singing lessons. And I could see

473
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: in the other room there were some other boys who

474
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: had a guitar and then and I went into there

475
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: one day and I said, White, what is what is it?

476
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: Which class is this? He said, well, we've we've we've

477
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: got a skiffle group. I go, oh what and they say, look,

478
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: it's dead easy. I remember the guy saying, look, it's

479
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: dead easy. If you could play a crank and you can,

480
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: then you can play d and you could play every

481
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: song that you know. It's like, wow, how great is that?

482
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: That's more the music that I'd like to be in,

483
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: the simple beautiful, you know. And they were doing Chuck

484
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: Berry kind of songs. They were doing nice, simple, beautiful songs,

485
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: and I go, that's it. So I became more and

486
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: more fantasy of being I became fond of that kind

487
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: of music as opposed to the music that my father

488
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: wanted me to do, which would be theory and classical.

489
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: And you know, he wanted me to play. He was

490
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: a trombone player who wanted me to play the French

491
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: horn or the corin play. That was his idea, and

492
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: he never I never hate. Okay, let me ask you this, Okay,

493
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: if your parents were well to do, why were you

494
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: so entrepreneurial, I think you had to be. I think

495
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people in my period there were entrepreneurial

496
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: called hustling in America. You know, I like the word

497
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: entrepreneur better, but I think my my father would have said,

498
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: you just a hustler. You know, I would find, you know,

499
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: the the job selling programs that old Trafford was. We

500
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: would go and we'd sell programs before the game and

501
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the game when people came out,

502
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,719
Speaker 1: there was a newspaper which had the halftime results, and

503
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: we would we had a van. We bought a van

504
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: so that we could do this. And we were only fifteen.

505
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: We couldn't drive it, so we needed to employ people

506
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: to get us around so we could. So it was

507
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,479
Speaker 1: just everybody was in on it. All my friends at

508
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: school were doing things. And when once I was in

509
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: a band, everybody in that first band, the Heartbeats, had

510
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: daytime jobs. It was I was the only one who

511
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: was at school and there's no income from school, and

512
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: everybody had to be you know, one was a bricklayer

513
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: and one was I went on jobs with Alan Wrigley,

514
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: the guy who got me in the band. He was

515
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: We were window cleaners. All you needed to be a

516
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: window cleaner was a ladder in a bucket and a

517
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: chamois and that was it. We were making money and

518
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: my parents would have paid me not to do the job.

519
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: But it's just they were gone all the time. They

520
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: were busy. And then how does it end with you

521
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: in school? M h. I stopped going when I was fifted.

522
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: As soon as I got into the music business, which

523
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: I call the music business. My full time job became

524
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: Pete Novak and the Heartbeats. Nothing else in the world

525
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: meant anything to me. Nothing else that was that we're

526
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: going to get on the radio. And we drove around

527
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: in a van and we did hundreds. I mean I've

528
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: sometimes look at the dates that we used to go

529
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: and people kept records of it. We worked four nights

530
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: a week. Every week. We do the lunchtime at the

531
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: cavern and we do the evening in Blackburn. And we

532
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: were really hustling for work. We would work anywhere that

533
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: there would have us. And it turned it every day.

534
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: It got better being in the music. Okay, it was

535
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: their cartress decision to leave school or just stopped going.

536
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I was very busy at making making

537
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: this band happen, and school I tried to leave school naturally.

538
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: I went to the headmaster and I said, I've got

539
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: a job. I remember, I've got a job at Carrington's,

540
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: which was a as an article clerk. That was the

541
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: job that I could get. I knew I could get

542
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: the job, so I went and got the job. And

543
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: I went to the school and said I've got a job.

544
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: I want to leave school. And said, you can't leave school.

545
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: The law says you can't leave school till you're sixteen.

546
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: So I went, oh, and I just stopped going. I'd

547
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: sometimes show up, but every day I'd go out with

548
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: Alan Wrigley cleaning windows and selling newspapers. And Alan Chadwick

549
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: had this job as a bricklayer, you know, carrying bricks around,

550
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: and I just stopped going to school. You know, I

551
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: knew everything that they were doing. Anyway, I was, you know,

552
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: once there was there was a blackboard that turned around,

553
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: and there was a there was a teacher call Goldwater,

554
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: Mr Goldwater her and he was a really nice guy.

555
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: And I feel bad when I tell the story, but

556
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: I had written on the back of the the blackboard

557
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: that he turned around, a U H two is a wanker.

558
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: And we waited for the whole of the lesson. He

559
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: kept kept rubbing it out because everybody knew that it

560
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: was going to happen. And eventually, like in a movie,

561
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: he turned it around and he turned around to the classroom.

562
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: He said, noon, come and see me after the after

563
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: the class, and everyone was like, he must recognize the

564
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: handwriting or something, right, How did you know it was me?

565
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: Why do you think it was me? I think so?

566
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: Why do you think it was me? He said, You're

567
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: the only one who has done chemistry. You didn't do

568
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: it at this school. You know, they hadn't got up.

569
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea that nobody else in the class

570
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: had done chemistry, so it was obvious. So I was

571
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: a little bit smarter than everybody else. But I was

572
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: also lazy, you know, because I would just make it work.

573
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: I'd do my homework on the boss. So what did

574
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: your parents say about this? They were really busy. My

575
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: parents said it was it was kind of significant that

576
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: many working class people on the up and up in

577
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: England were really busy. But lots of my friends lived

578
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: with their grandparents and ate with that. You know. I

579
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: would go home from school and eat my grandmother's not

580
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: and it was great living at my grandmother's because they

581
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: were old and they were deaf. I mean they were

582
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: probably in their fifties, but they were old and they

583
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: were deaf, and they went to sleep at nine o'clock,

584
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: so you could make as much noise as you want.

585
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: You could have girls sleep downstairs and they would never know.

586
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just the perfect So your older

587
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: sister and it was just the two of your Then

588
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: what path did she follow? She got married when she

589
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: was very young to a really nice guy and moved

590
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: to Liverpool. They lived in Liverpool, and eventually my parents

591
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,239
Speaker 1: moved to the near them in Liverpool's part of my

592
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: mystery thing is people in Liverpool think I'm from Liverpool

593
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: because my parents lived there, but people in Manchester, no,

594
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm from Manchester, but say I'm from Liverpool. So it's

595
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: just my accent is somewhere in between the two places.

596
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: Maybe St Helen's okay, So you're out on the road.

597
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: Is Pete Novak with with the band? At what point

598
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: do the Beatles? Of course the Beatles were successful in

599
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: UK law before they were successful in America. Well, well

600
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: there were, they were underground successful for a long time.

601
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: There were this band that I remember being with. My

602
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: friends would say, you know, Shane Fenton and the Fentons,

603
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: just like a happening band. But you know there's that

604
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Beatles thing going on. That's that's different. And what happened

605
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: was that without me and Alan Wrigley, this bass player

606
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: from the Heartbeats, we we here, we're rehearsing and we

607
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: hear another band. You know, every kid in Reefed House

608
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: had a guitar, you know that, every kid, And if

609
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: they didn't have a guitar, they were playing music as

610
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: loud as they possibly could on whatever piece of equipment

611
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: they had. But we could hear this live guitar somewhere

612
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: and it was August, and we actually walk across the field.

613
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: It's called Abbotsford Park now, but it was then it

614
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: was a field and we climb overheage and in another

615
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: field and on stage the Beatles going one two one

616
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: two tests, you know, so we stick around, we go

617
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: that's the Beatles. Look, oh look, the drama's got a

618
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: riser like he thinks he's someone really posh, you know.

619
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: We you know, our bands do put in the and

620
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: and the opening act is Brian Poole and the Tremelows,

621
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: who were sensational. They're absolutely sensational. You did. Nobody can

622
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: follow them. The Beatles come on and Alan Wrigley after

623
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: during the first songs as to me, we're fucked. That's it.

624
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: That was the end of it. That's it. He realized

625
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: that he was net Any aspiration he ever had to

626
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: be in the music business was just you know, he'd

627
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: seen what the future was right there and it wasn't

628
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: a little van driving around playing shadows and Buddy Holly songs.

629
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: I was inspired. It was totally inspiration to be. I

630
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: said that I don't want to challenge them I think

631
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: I could have a version. You know, they're going to

632
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: want to peep. Know, nobody's going to want to be

633
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: like the Beatles, but we could be like something completely

634
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: different than them, you know, as you know, every band

635
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: had to be different in those days just to get

636
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: a job. If you just showed up and did Beatles

637
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: the same songs as the Beatles, they'd say, well, we'll

638
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: have the Beatles instead of you. So we we grew

639
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: from there. We we we started to do less of

640
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: the It made us. It inspired us to get other

641
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: songs from outside, so we do my Boy Lollipop, Mrs Brown,

642
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: You've got a lovely daughter. We started to add different

643
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: kind of material to the show so that people would

644
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: think it was more more entertaining because one one thing

645
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: that I remember vividly about the Beatles on stage at

646
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: that show is August the six nine was they loved

647
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: each other. You could see they just loved being in

648
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: this thing, and they kept looking at each other and smiling,

649
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and they were inside jokes and it was so inspirational

650
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: to me. Sat can you imagine these guys have got

651
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: everything going from this before they were really writers. I

652
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: think they weren't really songwriters. They were just this group

653
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: of guys who really loved each other's energy and played

654
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: off each other, and I got and that's probably what

655
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: my dad had had in his Big Bend, you know

656
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: that there was this sort of union and camaraderie amongst

657
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: all the players, so that that was inspirational to me.

658
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: And and luckily a couple of the people who ended

659
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: up in Herman's Hermit much later had also seen that

660
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: show and almost been inspired to like work a little

661
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: bit harder on being not better but different. You know. Okay,

662
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: so you're the business guy in the band and you're

663
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: doing all these shows four nights a week. What's the

664
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: next step? What it really was miraculous. We do we

665
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: do all of my stories. I'm the luckiest guy in

666
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: the world, you know when when people ask you and

667
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm the luckiest guy in the world. We play this

668
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: gig like I think it was a bombs on Ferry

669
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: Cross the Mersey. They would take the ship out whatever

670
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: was the ferry at nighttime. They would take it three

671
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: miles out to see where. Wait, so you're saying the

672
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: song Ferry Across the Mersey is about an actual ferry,

673
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: and the whole thing No, he's saying to the ferry,

674
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: ferry across the Mersey, not very across the Mersey, ferry

675
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: across the Mersey to the land. But I always but

676
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was hypothetical. I remember when with you,

677
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: but there was some specific parties that he was singing about. No,

678
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: he was singing, ferry across the Mersey to the place

679
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: that I love. Because he's from Birkenhead, Oh, which is

680
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: in Cheshire. It's not even in Livapool. Ferry cross the

681
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: Mersey to the plant. So anyway, that's so, there is

682
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: a ferry and you can rent it. I think you

683
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: still probably can. But they've had a tunnel for fifty years.

684
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: You don't need a ferry anymore. So so so we're

685
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: on this ferry and my friends, people who I don't

686
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: even know. My manager, Harvey Lisberg, is at dinner with

687
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: his parents and this woman who's and he says, he's

688
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: asked the question, Harvey Lisberg, He's asked the question, what

689
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: do you want to do when you get your degree?

690
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: Business degree? He said, you know, I think I'd like

691
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: to be like Brian Epstein. I'd like to find a

692
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: group and manage them and travel all around the world

693
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and make hundreds of millions of pounds. And she said

694
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: and he and she says, you know, I saw this

695
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: kid on the ferry the other night at you know,

696
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: alf Albert Goldberg's bar Mitzvah, and the kid is really good.

697
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: You should check him out. So we were I think

698
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: we were called Herman and the Hermits. By now Herman

699
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: and the Hermits, he's called herman Um. So he finds

700
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: out that we're playing this nightclub and really, you know

701
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: under people down the bottom of the it was called

702
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: the Seller, the Cave, the Seller in Bolton. And he

703
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 1: comes and sees us there and he says, I'd like

704
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: to be a manager. So I said, well, let's have

705
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: a meeting. Come back to my mom's house. My my

706
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: mom lived in this fabulous house. And this manager, Harvey Ellisburg,

707
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: who is going to be our managers it comes to

708
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: the house and he goes, oh, that's a lovely piano,

709
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: and I go, you want ago you know when my

710
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: my mother had this unbelievable expensive grand piano and uh,

711
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: he sits down and he plays what did I say

712
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: by Jerry Lewis? I said, we don't want you to

713
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: be on match. We want you to be in the band,

714
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: and he goes, no, no, I don't want to be

715
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 1: in the band. You know, I'm too ugly something like that.

716
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: So but I'd like to manage it. Some of my

717
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: parents meet him and they go, yeah, okay, you can

718
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: manage it, but well, you know, so he immediately becomes

719
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: our manager. Then I'm not the manager anymore, which is

720
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: really refreshing because he has much more connecting, much more

721
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: connected than I am. And he suddenly we're getting we

722
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: have a hundred dates on the book, and now we're

723
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: looking to replace people in the bend with better people

724
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: because now we can offer them more money. Everybody was

725
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: in it for money. I asked Keith Hopwood, how Keith

726
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: hop would who was the guitar player? Who who created that?

727
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: Mrs Browne got a lovely looked daughter sound. I say,

728
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: would you be in the band and he goes well.

729
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: I said why did why did you join the band

730
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: and when did you join them? And he said, well,

731
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: I joined the band when I saw how many dates

732
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: had booked, And so we we we instantly start to

733
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: get very much more busier in Herman and the hermitson

734
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: and we start to play the Cavern regularly. You know,

735
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: we become regulars at the Junior Cavern in the evening.

736
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: We moved into the upper upper echelons, which is like

737
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: nighttime at the Cavern, which was a big, big, big deal.

738
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: So we're moving along and I think ultimately we were

739
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: the only band left in Manchester who isn't signed to

740
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: a label. I think it's really as simple as that.

741
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: Who came from me and Chester in that era, The Hollies,

742
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Freddie and the Dreamers, Wayne Fontana and the mind Benders,

743
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: the Dakotas, Billy Ja c you know, everybody, everybody else

744
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: from Manchester who was in our league, the twenty pounds

745
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: and up league has gone. So we're the top of

746
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: the leftovers. And we have this idea. We've seen Mickey

747
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: Most this is again the luckiest guy in the world.

748
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: We go to see the Everly Brothers and the bill

749
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: was the Everly Brothers, Bo Diddley, the Rolling Stones and

750
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: Mickey Most and and Susan Morem or some some unknown

751
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: girl singer who had and it's my party version. And

752
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: during the show, h Nicky Most comes out on stage

753
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: and he kneels. He's like a fifties guy because the

754
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: Everly Brothers are fifty and it's all teddy boys in

755
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: the audience, and he wins the teddy Boys because he's

756
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: got a guitar with no strings. It's got a guitar

757
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: with no strings. But we you can't tell from the audience.

758
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: But even though he's got no strings on the guitar,

759
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: he has the balls to kneel down during the guitar solo,

760
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: you know, I mean when we're completely and of course

761
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: all the teddy boys love him. And the Stones come

762
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: out and they are dying the death of all deaths.

763
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: You go, oh my god, they're like mods, they're not

764
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: at all, and they do come on by the chuck

765
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Berry come on and the audience t'lly go, oh well,

766
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: they're all right, and they're forgiven. And at the end

767
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: of the show, at the end of the show of

768
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: the Stones and the Everly Brothers and Bold Didly come

769
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: out and they get on a bus. But Mickey most

770
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 1: comes out and he opens the hood of his car,

771
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: puts his guitar in it, opens the door for his girlfriend,

772
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: puts her in the car, waves us as if he's

773
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: the star of the show, and gets in there. It's

774
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: a Porsche that's why I put the guitar on the front.

775
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: We've never seen anybody with no engine in the car before.

776
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: We've never seen a Porsche before. God, that is the

777
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: coolest guy who is here is some South African guy.

778
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: And but his name comes up in ideas for producers

779
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: because he's got this record out called I'm Crying by

780
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: the Animals like I don't don't knock, And it's like

781
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: this great singer that we know him from the animals.

782
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: We know what they can do, but we didn't know

783
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: anybody who could record him. So now we go, how

784
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: do you get to Mickey Most We've got my sister

785
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: call Insane Herman and the Hermits, you know, and hanging up,

786
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: and Harvellist book says, I'll send him a plane ticket

787
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: to Manchester, which in those days is like unheard of,

788
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's two hundred miles, took seven

789
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: hours to drive it. We'll send him a plane ticket,

790
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: and we booked him a night in the Midland Hotel,

791
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: which is the Posh Hotel right by the station, and

792
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: and we'll drive. We'll get a driver, we'll get a

793
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: nice car roven up. We'll borrow your dad's Rover ninety

794
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: and we'll pick him up at the hotel and we'll

795
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: take him to see you at the club in Bolton

796
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: down the stairs. And what we'll do is we get

797
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: all the girls to scream. We'll play the audience to

798
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: a plan. So when when you do a song, of

799
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: course that happened. All of that happened. But the girls

800
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: all screamed in the wrong place, you know. They never

801
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: scream where you think they they're just going so but

802
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: he liked the band, No, he didn't like the band.

803
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: He liked Peter Noon. Let's talk in the third person,

804
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: and he wanted to get rid of the band and

805
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: make records without the band. And now we're a band.

806
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: This is a band. These are my friends. We we've

807
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: built this monster together, you know. And he goes, okay, well,

808
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: come to the studio and let's let's try and do something.

809
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: So we've got a couple of songs. Awful. Now I

810
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: listen to them. I'm embarrassed that that we had no

811
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: we had no idea what we were doing. And we

812
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: make a session and at the end of the session

813
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: he says, look, the only way I can work with

814
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: you guys, is if you get rid of him. And

815
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: him and we play and we said we can't get

816
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: rid of him. He says, okay, so he will not

817
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: be the lead guitar player. He will become the rhythm

818
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: guitar player, and that drama you get get a drummer

819
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: who can play in time. So it's like it's the

820
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: most horrible moment for me because we're now we're going

821
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: to have to get rid of these boys that have

822
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: been my mates, my bandmates, you know, the union of

823
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: a band, and we're all loving each other, but the

824
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: music thing is that happening. So luckily Harvey Lisberg once

825
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: again and we get lucky. There's another band in Manchester

826
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: that's on the up and up called the Whalers and

827
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: Big Wally and the Whalers, and we want just the Whalers.

828
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: We don't want Big Wally because he's too big. And

829
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: we signed to the two guys from the from the

830
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Whalers joined Herman and Herman's Herman and the Hermits, and

831
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: we change our name April the first, we change our

832
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: name from Herman and the Hermits to Herman's Hermits and manager.

833
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: We don't have my mom's phone number anymore. We've got

834
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, I used to say, you know, Herman's Herman

835
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: and the Hermits bookings, Ermste because my mom had a phone.

836
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: It was in the hall down the stairs, you know.

837
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: And it's suddenly we became like this big time thing.

838
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: And Mickey most sent within days of us putting together

839
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: this new band, he sends us a demo, a Carol

840
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: King demo of I'm into something good. And he said,

841
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: come and come and record that and do that other

842
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: song that you played, that other rubbish song. Learned that

843
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: again with the new guys, and come in the studio

844
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: and we'll make a record. And we listened to it,

845
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: and you know, it's we actually thought we were making

846
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: a surf recording. We didn't even know a surf record well,

847
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: but you know, we we thought that we needed the

848
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: surf sound. And Mickey knew this piano player, a session

849
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: piano player who was a Roger Webb his name was,

850
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: and he had a band called Roger Webb Trio, which

851
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: were pretty he was pretty famous. And he sat in

852
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: that studio and we were kids, you know, I think

853
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: I was fifty sixteen maybe, and all the Hermits was

854
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen in there. You know, we were really teenagers.

855
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: A real boy band, and he sat with us and

856
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: we rehearsed it with him like a hundred times, and

857
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: we finally we we took a run at it, and

858
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: the vocal that I did at the run became the

859
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: lead vocal. That was the one that that we kept,

860
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, and then we just over everything was over.

861
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: The mickey would mix down to one track and then

862
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: put stuff. You know, we had two track machine and

863
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: it makes it all down to all the drums and

864
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: all the instruments on one track. Then we throw more

865
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: stuff on it and the background vocals and then put

866
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: some hand clapses all over the place. But it just

867
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: captured who we were. You know. When I listened to

868
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: the record, now I go, well, that is just that's

869
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: exactly somebody made a recording with exactly what was going on. Okay,

870
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: let's slow down for a couple of seconds. Lizberg, is

871
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: your manager? Does he make you sign a contract? You know,

872
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. We couldn't sign contract. We were all

873
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: under age and you had to be twenty one. And

874
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: what was his percentage? Ten percent? I think maybe because

875
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: he had a partner. We didn't We didn't care about that.

876
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: We just wanted to know what being important down the line. Yeah,

877
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: tell the story of how it ultimately became Herman and

878
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: the hermits Um. Well, we were playing. We used to

879
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: rehearse in a pub in outskirts of Manchester, near Derek Lecambye,

880
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: where he was a guitar player. There was a pub

881
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: there and they let us rehearse there, and the publican

882
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: let us use He had a microphone. And we're Americans,

883
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: tell us what a public it is. The owner of

884
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: the pub, the landlord of the pub is there and

885
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: he lets us use his stage and his microphone. It

886
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: has a microphone and a speaker, and so it was easy,

887
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: and you could rehearse until five thirty. So none of

888
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: us went to school anymore, and we'd go there and

889
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: rehearse when the pub closed at three o'clock till five

890
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 1: thirty when they opened again. None of us were eighteen,

891
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: so we're there and we were doing Boddy Holly songs

892
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: and I would wear when it's so ridiculous that I

893
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: am the luckiest man in the world. So I put

894
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: these horn room glasses on. I had horn room glasses

895
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: already and I put them on, and we do a

896
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: body Holly song so people would know anybody who knew

897
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: Buddy Holly would go, oh yeah, we're a little things

898
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: you see and do, And I could mimic him like

899
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: I thought I was doing a brilliant job. But we

900
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: nish that would be the day, And and the guy

901
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: who owns the pub, the publican, comes and he says,

902
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 1: who the bloody ell was that? And I look at him,

903
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: You're stupid, can't it's Buddy Holly. You were Boddy Holly

904
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: because you don't look anything like Buddy Holly. You look

905
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: like Herman from the Bullwinkle Show. And everybody, like all

906
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: the future the heartbeats all thought that was the funniest

907
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: thing that ever heard because it was Sherman and Professor Peabody.

908
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: But he thought he thought it was Herman and Professor Peabody.

909
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: So that was kind of part of the joke that

910
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: he was so stupid he didn't recognize the body Holly song.

911
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: And he also got the name Sherman and Professor Peabody wrong.

912
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, you look like Herman from that Herman from

913
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: the Ankle Show. And everybody laughs, similar to your laft there,

914
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: And he says, what are you look laughing at? You

915
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: can call yourself the Bloody Hermits. So that man, who

916
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: we don't know who he isn't forgotten. It's I've been

917
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: dead for fifty years. He named the band Herman and

918
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: the Bloody Hermits, and we immediately we said, that's the

919
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: that's a great name for this operation because it's completely

920
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: different from anybody else. You know, it's all Beatles and

921
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: searchers and movie titles, and you know, everybody's going a

922
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: little bit more sophisticated than Herman and the Hermits, and

923
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: that we The drummer was the drummer then was called

924
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: Steve Titterington, and his We could rehearse his place as

925
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: well after the public could go to his place because

926
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: his sister was a cop a constable, and you could

927
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: make as much noise as you wanted until any time

928
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: you wanted. And it was important to the band to

929
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: be able to rehearse a lot because we were useless.

930
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: We needed to rehearse every song many many times. And

931
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: we went home there and we told his mother that

932
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: we've we've we've going to change the name to Herman

933
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: and the Hermits. And she made suits for the Hermits

934
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: out of sacks, potatoes, sacks, and I said, I'm I'm Herman,

935
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to wear this blue suit and okay, and

936
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: they when we did we did a gig. There was

937
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: a there was a guy called Jimmy Saville who was

938
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: a manager of the Plaza in Manchester who liked Herman

939
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: and the Hermits. He thought ultimately he was a big

940
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: presenter and got in trouble after his death. Yeah, he

941
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: was probably a horrible man. But we we was the

942
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: manager of probably many many people in the wrestling business

943
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: in those days who became managers of ballrooms were probably

944
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: not nice people. But we we didn't care whether we didn't.

945
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: We didn't have like a stress test to see if

946
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: we could work with people. They had a job and

947
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: we would take it, you know. It was that part

948
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: of the career. And then he we did a lunchtime

949
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: show and the Hermits, the new Hermits, showed up in

950
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: these sack things with their little white English legs hanging

951
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 1: out of the bottom. It's just a potato sack, fifty

952
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: six pound bag of potato sack with the neck cut

953
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: out and the hands, but the guitars and and the

954
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: Steve tit Twington's ass was worn out from sitting on

955
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: the drum school in the the things. So that lasted

956
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: for one day, but we kept the name Herman and

957
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: the Hermits, and we once we played that gig in

958
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: the plaza, people liked the name, you know, the girls

959
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: who came to see us. I remember, like at the cavern,

960
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: we we'd always wherever we played, there would always be

961
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: somebody that we knew sitting at the front and the

962
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: cavern there was always a girl called Margaret and she

963
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: was there right from every time Hermit's Hermits played at

964
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: the cavern, Margaret would be right at the front. We

965
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 1: never spoke to her, which she we didn't know how

966
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: to deal with fans. She we didn't know about groupie's

967
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: or we knew was our sisters. And in my case,

968
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: my sister had like a plastic you know, Sister Agnes

969
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: statue implanted in her forehead and went to Catholic schools

970
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: and confession and you know, no sex before marriage. So

971
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: that we thought all girls were like our sisters. We

972
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: didn't know any ravers or group year or that we

973
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: treated fans like they were are on par with our sister,

974
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, because we thought all girls would like to

975
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: be protected and behave well with girls. And we grew

976
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: this band into It was always Margaret and bit I did.

977
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: We'd go back to the cabin and there'll be seven

978
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 1: girls at the front, and then the ten never boys,

979
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: never like Herman Hermits. Then at the beginning they didn't

980
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: like us because we didn't play rock and roll. We

981
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: played kind of pop. So that was a bit romantic,

982
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, the different talking about So we were romantic.

983
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: Can't into something good? And when you have playback, do

984
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: you say this is a hit or you say, well,

985
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: this is a record we made? Well that one we did?

986
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: We didn't, haven't we we It was just flying. We

987
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: had no idea what we were doing. We just this

988
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: is how you make a record. We had no idea,

989
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: We had no knowledge of how he made a record.

990
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: We would completely naive. And he didn't like the record.

991
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: He took it home and he decided on the way

992
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: home that he was not going to release it even

993
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: and it was thinking of ways to tell us that.

994
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: He was sorry, lads, it just didn't work. But he

995
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: played it to Chris Most, his wife, Chris Most, and

996
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: she said it's a number one, and he was, you're joking,

997
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: I got a remix it. She just don't remix it,

998
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: leave it exactly like it is. It's a number one.

999
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Mickey, it's a number one. It's like

1000
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, when you play the House of the Rising Son,

1001
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: you said it's too long. I told you that was

1002
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: a number one. Just this is a number one. Put

1003
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: it out and against his you know, because Mickey liked

1004
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 1: Mickey loved to claim that he was the song picker

1005
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: of the century, and he probably was, but but he didn't.

1006
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: He didn't think I'm Into Something Good was a hit.

1007
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: And when it was a hit, um, he claimed it like,

1008
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, I knew it was a hit, and my

1009
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: dad could have sung it and it would have been

1010
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: a hit. But I think it was. It was a

1011
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: really good recording of a really good song, and it

1012
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: capture and all that sort of energy of those sixteen

1013
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: year old boys. Okay, so how long after you cut

1014
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: it was it released? It came out August, the seven

1015
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: before we probably made it July, so two weeks after

1016
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: we made it, two weeks after was that the only

1017
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: song you recorded that? And the B side, the b

1018
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: side was what Your Hand in Mind, which was the

1019
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: song that we'd failed the audition with the first time. Now,

1020
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: worked it. The record comes out the UK instant here instant,

1021
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: I mean quite instant. Interestingly, we're we're playing in the

1022
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: club where the manager discovered us, discovered us in Bolton,

1023
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: and it's opposite a sewing machine factory, out of business

1024
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 1: machine factory, and we're changing in the kitchen and Jimmy

1025
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: Saville has a radio show It got five thirty that

1026
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: with this Jimmy saddle clown voice and this is Erman's

1027
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: Ermits and he plays I mean something. You know, it

1028
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: was the greatest. Still I can still be in that

1029
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: kitchen to hear myself on the radio, and I remember thinking,

1030
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm with Del Shannon. Now those people who were on

1031
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: the radio. I'm one of those people. Now I'm not

1032
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: just a kid in a band anymore that's got a

1033
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: bit of success. And we're up to thirty pounds at night.

1034
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: This is like I'm with those the Beatles and the

1035
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: delve Shafts always Del Shannon. Why but you know, I'm

1036
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 1: within this new league. And we didn't even know that

1037
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: it was going to be a hit, you know, just

1038
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: the fact that we didn't know that you couldn't you

1039
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: couldn't have a hit if it never got played on

1040
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: the radio that we knew being on the radio was

1041
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: a hit. Okay, at what point did you realize and

1042
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: how long did it take for it really to be

1043
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: a hit? It jumped out of the box. By the

1044
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: next Thursday, we were on Top of the Pops and

1045
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: we went to Top of which was in Manchester. You know,

1046
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: if you got in the charts. I think he came

1047
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: in at number thirty or something the first week. You know,

1048
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: I think it started selling instantly because it got played

1049
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: a very quickly. And I remember the songs that it

1050
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: was the Kinks You Really Got Me and that one

1051
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: a rag Doll and pretty Woman. There was some pretty

1052
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: Pretty Woman by Roy Orbison. We're all in this heavy

1053
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: rotation and we were now in the same league as

1054
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: like the Four Season and Royal Orbison. Okay, the it

1055
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: was always in Manchester at the beginning. Really yeah, So

1056
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: we go on, we go on Top of the Pups

1057
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: and and it was like Roy Orbison and the Beatles

1058
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: and the Four Seasons and Supremes. And when when you

1059
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: go on Top of the Pups, you go on the

1060
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: first time and if the record goes up the next week,

1061
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: you go back again. So for the next five or

1062
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: six weeks every Thursday, we're at Dickinson Road in Manchester

1063
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: doing Top of the Pups with our heroes and not

1064
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: knowing how to deal with our heroes. Like this Royal orbicer.

1065
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: That's Royal orbicon. We even look this George Kennedy, the

1066
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: guy who played are you know, We're like in heaven.

1067
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: This is the greatest thing that could ever happen to

1068
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: a fan of music. We're now in the room with

1069
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: the big guys, and did you think, okay, this is

1070
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: the beginning and we're gonna sail through or this is

1071
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: one and done. My I think we thought that we

1072
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: just let raise the level of interest. It's interesting that

1073
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: we were pretty well matt balanced. We thought we've just

1074
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: raised our level of interest. Now we'll be able to

1075
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: get three hundred pounds a night. So now that are

1076
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: to something good? As it hit? How much roadwork are

1077
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: you doing? We did? It's interesting. I saw an article.

1078
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: Um uh, every night we've worked every night. Our managers

1079
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 1: and agents sent us to work. There's a there's an

1080
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: interview with Elvis Presley. I didn't. I interviewed Elvis Presley

1081
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: and I met him in Hawaii, and the newspaper in Hawaii, said,

1082
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: which I recently found because of the Internet, says, Peter

1083
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: Noon meets his all time idol Elvis Presley, who is

1084
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: on a film shoot Hawaiian Love Hawaiian Style in the

1085
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: and Peter is one of Herman's Hermits and they're on

1086
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: a three hundred and sixty day world tour. You know,

1087
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: we were on a three hundred sixty but in we

1088
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: did three hundred and sixty concerts and made records. Okay,

1089
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: So when you did a show, how long was the

1090
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: show different? We'd like to do longer, but you only

1091
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: a lot of shows. You only got twenty minutes. Like

1092
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: we did a tour in England with with Dusty Springfield

1093
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: instantly like we had a number one record. We're on

1094
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: tour with Dusty Springfield and I think we did we

1095
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: closed the first half or something and did four songs. Okay,

1096
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: how long after half do something good? Are you back

1097
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: in the studio? Probably before Christmas? You know, we need,

1098
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: we need another thing go So we go in and

1099
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: we've got another Carol Kink song that Mickey also doesn't like,

1100
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: but we think he's always wrong, and it's called show

1101
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: Me Girl, and it turned it isn't a number one record,

1102
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: and we go on that. We go on top of

1103
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: the Pops for the first time as he gets in

1104
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: the charts, and the guy who's announcing us say, do

1105
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: you think Herman's Hermits are a one hit wonder? And

1106
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: of course, me being having all the Irish energy, I

1107
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: wanted to kill him. I still have a resentment I

1108
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: wanted to go and I've got I'm going to prove

1109
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: him wrong. So we go back to the studio and

1110
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,479
Speaker 1: Mickey goes, let's do let's do silhouettes. It's a shore

1111
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: fire here. And next time you go on top of

1112
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: the Pops, you play the piano. Don't be like Herman

1113
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: standing in front of Bend. You'd be like one of

1114
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: the band and it will be everyone will be impressed,

1115
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: like Alan Price, right, it's good. You know all these

1116
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: but you know it looks cool. You'll be cool. It's

1117
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: a cool song. I'm gonna go, well, we we do it,

1118
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: you know we don't do don't do it? And he no, no, no,

1119
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: let's get it. Let's get fi Flick Thick got any

1120
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: ideas going to do silhouss and Flick is a studio guitarist. Yeah,

1121
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: Vick Flick is a famous guitar. He played the James

1122
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: Bond theme and he played that boy Da Da Da

1123
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: in Hard Days Night, so he's famous. Two people in

1124
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: the music business in England. So it's Flick Flick and

1125
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, how about this and he goes and

1126
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: we're like, we're obvious a number. It's a bloody number one.

1127
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't need any fairy dust, you know, let's go.

1128
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: And so we put that one out next and it is.

1129
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: It's like a top two win England and hit in America.

1130
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: And we've also done I Can't You Hear My Heartbeat thing,

1131
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: which is also sitting around and we've somehow in early nine,

1132
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: on one of those days off, we've been in the

1133
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: studio and made our first album the record company. But

1134
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: how long did it take to make the album? Three hours?

1135
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: Everybody had three hours in the three hours to make

1136
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: the whole album. Yeah, but remember I had I'm Into

1137
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: something good already made and so two of the twelve

1138
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: tracks were done. So the other ten tracks are all

1139
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: whatever we had in our show that hadn't been recorded. Remember,

1140
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: you had to go and look for songs. That's why

1141
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: it's all good fun because we had to do songs

1142
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: that people other people didn't do. You know, you couldn't

1143
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: do Rollover Beethoven or any Chuck Berry song because they

1144
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: somebody had already done them as well as they could

1145
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: possibly be done. So we would we did. We cut

1146
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: I'll Never Dance Again, which was from early Pete Novak,

1147
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: and the Heart because we cut Heartbeat, which was early

1148
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: Pete Novak, songs that we knew that we loved. We

1149
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't record anything that we didn't love. So strange in

1150
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: the studio, how much did the b N play? Where

1151
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: did studio musicians play? At the beginning, the band played

1152
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: on everything, but bit by bit as we got busier

1153
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: and busier, it was really a time to learn to

1154
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: learn a new Mickey find as on and say learn this,

1155
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: and they was nobody would be as quick as like

1156
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: Jimmy Page would be there. You have any idea why

1157
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: the albums came out in MGM in America. I think

1158
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: what happened was we we had to deal with the

1159
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 1: m I for the World and E M I didn't

1160
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: pick up the option, and neither did and they didn't

1161
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: for the Day Club five. Strangely enough, we were also

1162
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: in the m I band who were dropped. So we

1163
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: took advantage of that and we made a separate deal.

1164
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: I think I think MGM signed the Animals first, and

1165
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: then we were part of that deal. And I'm not

1166
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: really sure about that because it's it doesn't really interest

1167
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: me to know how it happened. I only want my

1168
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: point of view, you know, because everybody starts talking about

1169
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: the money and stuff like that. I don't care about that, Okay. Now.

1170
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: On the first album was also Mrs Brown, You've Got

1171
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: a Lovely Daughter? Yeah, how did that come together? Well? Well,

1172
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: that was one of the songs that we used to

1173
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: do at the Cavin to be different from nobody will

1174
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: do My Boy Lollipop, So we'll do my Boy Lollipop,

1175
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: nobody will do Mrs Brown. I used to dress up

1176
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: in my school uniform with the short trousers and walk

1177
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: out and do Mrs Brown you gotta leave a daughter,

1178
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: as if I was that person in the song, which

1179
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: I still do, by the way, but not the short trousers.

1180
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: But it made sense to us too, and of course

1181
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: we recorded it because I think when when Mickey heard it,

1182
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: it's okay, okay, when it wasn't his idea when it

1183
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: when it later when it became his great idea. But

1184
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: at the time he said, we put it on side two,

1185
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: track three. No one will ever get that far. I

1186
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: mean he actually said, those are the exact words. One.

1187
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: I've listened all the way through anyway, and it was

1188
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: hidden there, and of course it became a smash. Well.

1189
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: I just remember being in America. I bought the album

1190
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: with a red cover and it said featuring arm into

1191
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: something Good. And then Mrs Brown became a hit. They

1192
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: put all sticker all the ones that featuring Mrs Brown,

1193
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: which in America was even bigger hit into something So okay,

1194
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: the train leaves the station of the Hermit's Hermit saw

1195
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 1: the singles, Which ones are your favorites? I love, I Love,

1196
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm into something good, I like silhouettes, and I like

1197
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: there's a kind of hush all over the world. It

1198
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: just seems to buy by the time, by the time

1199
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: we did, there's a kind of hush and all over

1200
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: the world, which is there's the end of the run

1201
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: of Hermit's Hermits. None of the Hermits are playing instruments

1202
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: on those records. It's now John Paul Jones is playing

1203
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: bass and is conducting the orchestra, and it's all the

1204
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: greatest musicians in England who show up and play as

1205
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: well as they can, as well as John Paul Jones

1206
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: can make them. But Mickey mose is still the producer

1207
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: and always Yeah, he made every Hermit term. It's okay.

1208
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: So in this time you have this runoff hits. How

1209
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: many You're on the road all the time? All the time,

1210
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: we were NonStop. We even did a pantomime in the December,

1211
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, because you could do a Christmas show in

1212
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: England and the Hermits played sailors and I was a

1213
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: Laddin or Dick Whittington or something some crazy play Christmas pantomime.

1214
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: I mean we even found time to do stuff like

1215
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: that for no money. Let's you go back. Isn't it

1216
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: true that when you were younger before the Herman's Hermit Sarah,

1217
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: you should we did some television, Yeah, all of which

1218
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: was you know, just when I was at the School

1219
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: of Music, a television independent television station opened around the

1220
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: corner from the School of Music in the downtown Manchester.

1221
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: It's called Grenada Television and they were creating new It

1222
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: was the other channel. There was a BBC and there

1223
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 1: was this new channel, Independent television, and they were One

1224
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: day some guy comes over to the to the School

1225
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: of Music and he said, we're looking for a kid

1226
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: who can play the piano in the background in a

1227
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: Christmas Christmas E think, so I can play the Holly

1228
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: and the Ivy, you know, the Holley and d I

1229
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: v I could play. I play there better than anybody.

1230
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: And so I got the job as kid playing a thing.

1231
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: And because I got that job, then I was the

1232
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: kid to go to we know a kid who was

1233
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: at the School of music who can't do this? And

1234
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: eventually I found myself on Coronation Street, which is the

1235
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: number one biggest, biggest TV show in England and still

1236
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: running even though I'm not in it. It's still running.

1237
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: Were you in it? Very little? But I got paid

1238
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: good money and I used all that money to finance

1239
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,640
Speaker 1: the band. You know, but you had no dream of

1240
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: being an actor. Now I wasn't very good at it,

1241
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: to tell you the truth. I never fancied myself as

1242
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 1: an actor. I think it takes a lot more memory

1243
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 1: skills and I have it spent me all. I'd spend

1244
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: all day learning my one line. Okay, so you're on

1245
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: the road with the band. Yeah, you knew each other

1246
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: in uh from me and Chester. Did everybody still get

1247
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: along if you're working that much? We didn't know anybody.

1248
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: We didn't know each other, but the guys in the

1249
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: band didn't know each other before we were But you

1250
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 1: know that's right history when you're okay, but you knew

1251
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: each other before you were biggest I met, Yeah, you

1252
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: have that relationship now you're big, you're on the road.

1253
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: Is everybody still getting them all? Well? I think I

1254
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: think probably my biggest failing was not realizing that I

1255
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: could very easily be hurting somebody's feelings without having the

1256
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: knowledge that was even doing it. Like, for example, would

1257
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: do the Royal Command performance and the Queen would only

1258
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: meet one person, but she met all the Beatles. So

1259
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: if you were Carl Green's mom watching the Royal Command

1260
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 1: performance and you've seen the Beatles all ship, Hello, Ringo

1261
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: a lot, Paul, Hello Georgia, you you say to your son,

1262
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: how come you didn't meet the queen? How come he

1263
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: gets to meet all the queens? And how come he

1264
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: gets to be in the dressing room with Andy Williams?

1265
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And I didn't know

1266
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: any of that was going on. I thought we were

1267
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,600
Speaker 1: all mates and that it was the natural thing, you know,

1268
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: you and I'm the youngest member, and I'm now the

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Speaker 1: spokesman because you know what the lead singer. What I

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01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: didn't know to tell them was, you know, the lead

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Speaker 1: singer is usually the person that the cameras on all

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Speaker 1: the time because he's singing, and during the guitar solo,

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: they'll show the guitar, not the player. And I didn't

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01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: know to tell them that. I thought that they would

1275
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: just magically understand everything that goes on in the world

1276
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: like I didn't, and it was very naive of me,

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01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: and I really regret it, and I'm still friends with

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01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: a couple of them, but I can understand why they

1279
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: probably very quickly grew to hate me. Hey it's a

1280
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 1: bad word, you know, not be very fond of my activities.

1281
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 1: And what happened was we were all from Manchester. I

1282
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: was living with my grandmother, and we became famous and

1283
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 1: I immediately moved to London. I got a little muse flat,

1284
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,759
Speaker 1: you know, for fifteen pounds a week, which was easy.

1285
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: I could afford that. I didn't need anybody to sign

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01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: the credit agreement or anything. And I bought a posh

1287
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 1: car and I got a driver and I was off

1288
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: and they were in. They were still living with their

1289
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: moms and dads. Who does he think he is? And

1290
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of that was going on. I

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01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: didn't know. I just was so full of myself that

1292
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: I didn't ever think of other people's feelings. So i've

1293
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 1: that's probably a lot of the tension in the band

1294
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 1: was because I didn't know that there was any tension.

1295
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 1: But you moved to London. They theoretically could have moved

1296
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 1: to London themselves. They had the same amount of money

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: that you were making, right, Yeah, we were all we

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01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,759
Speaker 1: sharing everything equally. Yeah, everything, every cent was shared equally,

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01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: and that theoretically, you know, if you want of the boys,

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01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: you can't step out. It's like when Paul McCartney starts

1301
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: dating the doctor's daughter, the posh doctor's daughter, he's kind

1302
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: of out of the thing. You know, it's not in

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01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: the van anymore with the lads. They're all getting in

1304
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: the van going back to to Manchester to their moms

1305
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: and dads or whatever was going on. I don't really know.

1306
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: And I'm catching the lift off the Stones Where are

1307
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: you guys going tonight? Are we're going back to London?

1308
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: Can I come with you? Because I'm so naive that

1309
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that that isn't appropriate. Constantly I do

1310
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: it and I'm looking back and I go, how embarrassed.

1311
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,440
Speaker 1: And So the Beatles are doing a TV show in Manchester.

1312
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm not on the TV show, but I'm there because

1313
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: it's in the studio where the people at the gate

1314
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: know me from being in Coronation Street. So the Beatles

1315
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: are there. I drive in with my driver waved to

1316
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: the guy at the gate, Arry whatever his name is.

1317
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: He waves me in. The Beatles are in the in

1318
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: the dressing rooms. I sit in the cafeteria and they

1319
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: come and sit down at the table. I start talking

1320
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: to them as if I know them. Ah, because I'm

1321
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: sixteen and they think I'm some kid from Coronation Street.

1322
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: But they're the Beatles. And now I'm so stupid, stupidity really,

1323
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: but it's kind of comedy stupid that I see Paul

1324
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: McCartney sitting talking to George Martin in the dressing room

1325
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: with the door slightly open, and I walk in and

1326
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,600
Speaker 1: join in the conversation. Hello, what's what's up, you know

1327
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: what you do, and and and Paul, who is the kindest,

1328
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm just this kid herman and I

1329
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 1: I say, I say, and he goes, well, are we're

1330
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: talking about compression? Do you know anything about compression? I

1331
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: know what what's compression? And Paul starts up, well, you know,

1332
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: and this is exactly how it went. You havent heard of,

1333
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, Fats Domino. How when he sings the track go,

1334
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: it gets it loses some of that, and then we

1335
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: start singing again. You lose the track and then the

1336
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: track comes louder in between the first Oh yeah, I

1337
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: know exactly what he talks about. Well that's compression. And

1338
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: we're discussing how to defeat the compression. Ah yeah, and

1339
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to and they're they're doing people who have

1340
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: recorded the Beatles songs. And George Martin says, looks at

1341
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: me like like I'm a an adult and says, which

1342
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 1: Beatles song have you recorded? Which means get out and

1343
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: record any Beatles song I haven't. Just just you know, okay,

1344
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: thank you? Like but you didn't realize you were big?

1345
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,759
Speaker 1: No I didn't. I didn't. He was so Paul McCartney

1346
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: was so kind and well mannered and included me in

1347
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: the conversation as it cares what I think about compression.

1348
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: But he's just a gentleman, you know. And so was George.

1349
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: You could have said please get out, but he didn't.

1350
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: He said, well, which which beatles songs have you recorded? Non? Okay?

1351
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: Leave kind of just okay. So and lots of that

1352
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: happened to me all my all my time in herme

1353
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 1: and Sermis, I would always get myself into situations that

1354
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize made me look stupid until years

1355
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: later I look back and I go you asked the

1356
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: Stones what they're doing after the show and they to

1357
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,680
Speaker 1: get rid of you. They said, oh, we're going back

1358
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: to London, and you said the words can I come

1359
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: with you? They said all right, And and they had

1360
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: this big American car and there was there wasn't a

1361
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: seat for me. And even though it's a big car,

1362
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: so they're the driver called REDGI King who had a hammer.

1363
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: There was a left hand drive and they sat me

1364
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: in the middle next to this crazy redg King in

1365
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: the middle with Brian who was also a little guy.

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: He was a little guy like Brian Jodge was a

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01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: little guy. Like me. So we could sit in the

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01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,799
Speaker 1: front seat of that big American car with the seat

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01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: the middle thing up, and this Ridge king as we

1370
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,600
Speaker 1: drove past cars on the free on the motorway, he

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01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: would lean out of the window and bash their rear

1372
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: view mirror off right, And this is like this kid

1373
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 1: from Mentis to his life, been a Catholic school and

1374
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: everything I got. This is the greatest thing I've never been.

1375
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: This is incredible, this is these are the greatest people

1376
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: I've ever met in my life. This is this is.

1377
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: I wish Herman's Hermits were more like this, you know,

1378
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,719
Speaker 1: not so nice and staying with their mom's. I wish

1379
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: they would get a hammer bash old people's rear view

1380
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: mirrors off as they drove past. And that was my

1381
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 1: new liago. I live in London. Now I'm going to

1382
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 1: live in London and be like them. So when did

1383
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: you find out that there was resembling from the guys

1384
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: in the band? You know in the seventies, you know,

1385
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: in the early set when we when we all decided

1386
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: to what happened was we did a Royal command performance

1387
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: and we decided that we were going to be a

1388
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: cabaret band. The American record thing. It was a disaster,

1389
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, because we would run into a situation where

1390
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: are being teenagers, we didn't know how to deal with

1391
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: it because we've never had to deal with so somebody said,

1392
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: you didn't get the check, so we'd say, well, if

1393
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: they're not going to give us the money, we're not

1394
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: going to give them the record, which is what they want.

1395
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: But we didn't know that we wanted we we want.

1396
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: We didn't know that they didn't want our records enough

1397
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: to give us the money. Say so is the money

1398
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: thing came and and then what happened was that that

1399
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: I was kind of nonchalant about the financial part of it,

1400
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: but the grudge part I wasn't going to let let

1401
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: go of and we're not going to give them any

1402
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: more music until until we get all the money and

1403
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: we want it nothing. So meanwhile, what happened was we

1404
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: started to make really good records for the rest of

1405
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,480
Speaker 1: the world, like we had My Sentimental Friend and Sunshine

1406
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: Girl and Something's Happening. They were all big, big records

1407
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: all around the world, not in America because they were

1408
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: not released, and we thought that that would tease them

1409
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: into putting it out. Look at that number one in Australia.

1410
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: They put it out in a minute. That's they'll give

1411
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: us the money just to get their hands on that.

1412
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: They didn't care. They just wore onto the next we

1413
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, the monkeys had come along or something and

1414
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: we were just like over there and all these were

1415
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: good exact so, and I realized at the time that

1416
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: we that we'd stepped into this cabaret world, which was

1417
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: really good for me because I'm kind of a cabaret person,

1418
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? I can tap did

1419
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,760
Speaker 1: did he? Did he? And I can you know, and

1420
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: I can play with the audience. And I talked them

1421
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: into we've got a choreographer, and we ended up doing

1422
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: a royal command performance for the Queen and doing song

1423
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 1: Broadway hits, you know, like name, you Don't Do, Don't

1424
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 1: Do Do Do do It do Name, and the hermits

1425
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 1: had to not have guitars and had to become male dancers.

1426
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: Think about it, Oh, I am thinking about but I

1427
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 1: saw it as I finally saw it about a year ago,

1428
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: so resentments. So at the end of that, we all

1429
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: decided that we've done the best that we could possibly

1430
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 1: do with that idea. Let's let's all, let's take some

1431
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: time away from each other and see what happens, see

1432
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: what happens with the label and everything, and you know,

1433
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: everyone who was recently married and stuff like that. And

1434
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: at the end of this run, they took the suits off.

1435
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: We always wore suits, and they ripped them up and

1436
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: tore them up and jumped through ound on the stage.

1437
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: I'm never going to wear a suit again, you know

1438
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. And then that's when I realized, Oh,

1439
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 1: they didn't. They didn't enjoy. It's not about how much

1440
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: money they make. It's about how much fun they're having

1441
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: playing as a band, you know, Like we used to

1442
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: have this fun and laugh at each other and and

1443
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: someone they made a mistake, we would all laugh at

1444
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: each other and yeah, and all that was gone and

1445
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: we were being we were like the Bachelor's or the Shadows.

1446
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: We were like those bands that we didn't want to be, like,

1447
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: going through the motions, you know, dance steps and everything.

1448
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: And that's when I realized. And that was also about

1449
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,680
Speaker 1: the time that I didn't realize that me sharing the

1450
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: dresser room with Tom Jones and Andy Williams and then

1451
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 1: being on the third floor with the Czechoslovakian choir was

1452
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: not appropriate. It was bad management of their feelings by me.

1453
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 1: So whenever we decided to call break, did you think

1454
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 1: there was a future for you and show business? You know,

1455
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: I had a TV series, so part of the I

1456
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: had a British TV shot series that was running at

1457
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: the same time as we broke up. And I thought

1458
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: that as soon as I was finished with the TV series,

1459
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: because I'm thoughtless bastard, heartless bastard, that they would come

1460
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: back into the fold. You know, we can start up again.

1461
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: We'll go do an Australian tour and we'll do a

1462
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: little American oldies but goodies to own. That's exactly what

1463
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: we did. We came over and I think Naida had

1464
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: one of those things and he put together a British

1465
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: and I thought, I saw that in your blog. Yeah,

1466
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: and we thought that was it, and we thought, well,

1467
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: we can do this now and then. But they wanted

1468
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: to work. See the idea that they wanted to work

1469
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: and they would be prepared to pretend to be something

1470
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: other than who they were. And it never occurred to

1471
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,799
Speaker 1: me that they wanted to work, that they enjoyed working

1472
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: and singing Herman's Hermits songs and that we're prepared to

1473
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 1: do it without me, and I thought that they wouldn't

1474
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 1: be able to. I thought they won't be able to

1475
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: do it, you know, like Peter Gabriel thought that Gis

1476
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: would go on and everybody from everybody? What was the

1477
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: TV series you have? It was cool? It was it

1478
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 1: was Mike Yarwood. It was on every week. It was

1479
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: a weekly show, and I was doing comedy and singing

1480
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: a song every week. I was three people in the show,

1481
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,719
Speaker 1: Mike Yarwood, Averan Post and me, and we did scenes

1482
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: together and it was kind of a fun show to do.

1483
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 1: And you would rehearsal week and you shoot it like

1484
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: it would go out live on Thursdays with an orchestra

1485
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: and girls singers and all those things. And I choose

1486
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 1: the song that I would do every week, and it

1487
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: was very I mean, it went for three years. It

1488
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 1: was supposed to be thirteen weeks, but it went for

1489
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: three years because it was successful. Like everything that you

1490
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: think you can just have a little flip with, they

1491
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: turned into being big deals. And that turned into being

1492
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: a big deal. I'm sure you must have done certain

1493
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: things had failed. Lots of things fail. I like fails.

1494
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: I sometimes like failing in a during the song because

1495
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: then I can recover. You know, I enjoy failure because

1496
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: as you learned something. It's like I say, too, I

1497
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 1: went to see a band and they go, do why

1498
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: do you want to say that? I'd like to see

1499
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: what I shouldn't do. You know, some ballences you they

1500
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 1: do things. Once I saw this band and the the

1501
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: singer some girl offered him a bouquet of flowers and

1502
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: he threw it behind him over his head, and every

1503
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: money in the audience went, oh, so you know you

1504
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,719
Speaker 1: learn I go. I go to see loads of bands.

1505
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm still a fan of music, which is what bizarre.

1506
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: People think, Wow, what are you doing here? I'd like

1507
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 1: to see what is going on? Okay, So how do

1508
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: you decide to go on this oldies tour British Invasion tour?

1509
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: I think Richard Nader offered loads of money. He made

1510
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: one deal with the Hermits and he made one deal

1511
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: with me, and that was it. We we got together,

1512
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: we rehearsed. I remember we did simple Men. We did

1513
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: a Graham Nash song, which is so bizarre, and I

1514
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: got back on the piano like Alan Price I played

1515
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: that show, and remember I played the piano in that show. Okay,

1516
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 1: well I did, But so we were looking for that

1517
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:06,480
Speaker 1: sort of mystery. Oh, they're much more that are musicians,

1518
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, because we decided, like when we were after

1519
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: we've seen the Beatles, we said, we have to be

1520
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: careful that we never want to try to be those

1521
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 1: those kind of musicians who want to impress other musicians

1522
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: because they never make it. Okay, so when you go

1523
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: back out on the road, how many original Hermits go

1524
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: back out with you? Everybody went? I think on that

1525
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: one every everybody. I think there might have been a

1526
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: guy called I think Keith Hopwood didn't come back, so

1527
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: there was maybe one replacement. But Derek let can be

1528
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: the original guitarist, Barry when the drummer and Carl Green

1529
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: the base pay. We all went out, but they got

1530
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: paid less than apparently. Yeah, that was that was also

1531
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: cause of some concern. So how long did that did

1532
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 1: working with that band last? Just that one tour? We

1533
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: thought to do other stuff, but it just all fell

1534
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: apart during that tour, I think, you know, because we

1535
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 1: just we just didn't. We were never an arena act,

1536
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:04,640
Speaker 1: you know. Herman Summons never could have played arenas, and

1537
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 1: that tour put us in bed. You know, we were

1538
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 1: at Madison Square Garden. We could never play that. I

1539
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: still couldn't play it. I don't think the music doesn't

1540
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 1: transcend the cabaret kind of atmosphere theater. I think so.

1541
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: So when you go that's that would be called a fail.

1542
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: I think that would tour that that come back to

1543
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: the British invasion much too soon. Okay, but how did

1544
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: you feel about being an oldies act? Nothing? I thought

1545
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: everybody that I admired was an oldies act. When you

1546
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: said oldies but goodies, I remembered the word goodie, right,

1547
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: you know Del Shannon. The first time I saw that,

1548
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 1: think about it. The Beatles opened for Chris Montez and

1549
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: Tommy Row. That was an oldiest talk. They were in

1550
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: the charts, but they were already it was an oldies show,

1551
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: and the Beatles were opening for Del Shannon and those

1552
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: those great artists and Royal Orbison they were they weren't newcomers.

1553
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: So after that, to or what do you do? I

1554
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: think that's probably when I did a load of solo

1555
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: stuff in England because I'd had that TV series. So

1556
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: now Peter Noon was more and more financially viable than

1557
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: herme and firm. It's anyway. I was now able to

1558
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: go and do cabaret, which was a big thing in

1559
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,719
Speaker 1: England at the time. That was where all the money

1560
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: was to go into cabaret and people dinner theater, I

1561
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: think is what it's called. And there was lots of

1562
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,800
Speaker 1: that and I ate that up. And then sometime I uh,

1563
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 1: I started to really not like being in England. It changed,

1564
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: the vibe in England have changed, and I didn't want

1565
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 1: to be there anymore. And we had a big, big

1566
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 1: my wife and I had a big country house with

1567
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: loads of people working for us, and I decided it

1568
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: was time to downsize. And some guy came over and

1569
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: saw the house and he said, how much you want

1570
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:49,679
Speaker 1: for it? And I said, I want lots of money.

1571
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: He said, put a number, tell me a number. I

1572
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: thought of the biggest number I could think of. My

1573
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: wife still says it was only ten percent of what

1574
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: I should have asked for, you know, because wives always do.

1575
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: But and he gave me the money and he said,

1576
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 1: I want to move in on Thursday. So we rented

1577
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: of a truck and a truck and Evolvo and we

1578
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: drove to We rented a house in the south of

1579
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: France and moved to the south of France. Everything with

1580
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: the dogs. We had six dogs, and we had to

1581
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: remove a big truck, you know, like people do in America,

1582
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 1: and they move. And I stayed there and we stayed.

1583
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 1: I loved it in France. I love to get up

1584
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: in the morning and they go to a little cafe

1585
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 1: and people would drink white wine and breakfast and play

1586
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: the tears, you know, betting on horses. Nothing. I knew

1587
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: nothing about it, but I would play with them, you know,

1588
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: and I could speak French, so I was kind of

1589
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: I felt very comfortable in France when the Stones lived

1590
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:44,720
Speaker 1: just down the street. So it's like I followed the

1591
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: Stones to their right. But you weren't on the heroin,

1592
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: so you're how did you feel from going from Top

1593
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: of the Pops to playing dinner theater. I just enjoyed

1594
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 1: the work. You know, they're all pretty challenging things to

1595
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm always worried about how how the promoters doing. That's

1596
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: my only fear that you know, everyone's making money, That's

1597
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: just my nature. So everyone was being paid. I had

1598
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: a musical director and he was happy to have the work,

1599
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 1: and we'd use local bands and stuff like that was

1600
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: very very hard on my throat because you'd have to

1601
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 1: rehearsal a lot. And Okay, so you say you had

1602
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: some records in France, so you continued to work. You

1603
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,680
Speaker 1: never really stopped working. No, I con'stant work. And then

1604
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: you put the Tremblers together. When is that probably about?

1605
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:37,440
Speaker 1: And what was that experience? Like? It was a fantastic

1606
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: experience because you know what happened. I became friends, you know,

1607
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: in l A. There's so the heart Breakers were here

1608
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: and I became friends with stan Lynch. She was the

1609
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: drama and I said, I'm gonna have this. And I

1610
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: was also friends with D from d Murray from the

1611
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: Out and John Bann. There was this little click of

1612
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: people and I said, I think I'm good. I want

1613
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: to because I was jealous that they were in a

1614
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 1: band and they were in this joyous experience of a band.

1615
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: They were enjoying being in this band. You know, D

1616
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: was loving playing gigs with Elton and they were they

1617
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: were it was growing every day, and the Heartbreakers were

1618
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: you know, they were all still living in the valley.

1619
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: But you know, they were just ready to make it,

1620
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: you know, just ready to break it. And I have

1621
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: to sit there with Stan. I said, you know what,

1622
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to start a band and decent.

1623
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: He said, what would you call it? Herman? I said, no, no,

1624
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I think I'd call it Watkins and the Dominators because

1625
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:35,799
Speaker 1: it was an amplifier, a triangular amplifier in the sixties

1626
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: thing and called the Watkins Dominator. And he said, I

1627
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 1: don't call it that because the people last which once Watkins,

1628
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 1: which is memorable stuff with a nice guy d So

1629
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:52,759
Speaker 1: we started about putting this band together. Hell and Stand

1630
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 1: new this drama, really great drama, a big guy. I

1631
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: wanted a big guy like Stan, you know, but it

1632
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: could get over the kit like ring. And we started

1633
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: putting this band together and Standard I wrote a couple

1634
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: of songs and we well it was all you know,

1635
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 1: like starting. It was like really fresh and starting. And

1636
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 1: and and Bruce Johnston from the Beach Boys, um, he

1637
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: had a label and I played him a couple of

1638
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 1: the things at me and Standard they said, beyond my label,

1639
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: it's an epic epic portrait associated and I'm associated. So

1640
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: I got, yeah, let's go. They'll give you money, they'll

1641
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: give us money to make the record. Yeah, we'll get

1642
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: the money, will split the money. Then, so we just

1643
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 1: suddenly we're in Conway studios and we're making a record

1644
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:38,879
Speaker 1: with one known you know. I got Phil Phil Solom

1645
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 1: who's in a band, and he's playing the guitar, and

1646
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: I got Stal on the drums, and he brings in

1647
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 1: some of the heartbreakers down there to play things, and

1648
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 1: we just we're having a blast. That's like Abbey Road again,

1649
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: you know. It's that where everybody's in a room having

1650
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: fun and everything's joyous and and it was just a

1651
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: great experience. And then we put the record out and

1652
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: then of course it all then you find out that

1653
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: the only people who really really love the music the

1654
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 1: people in the band. Okay, and at what point do

1655
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: you decide to go back on tour as Herman's Hermits.

1656
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: That phone call from from Lulu LULUs, they started me

1657
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 1: out as Peter Noon. I went Peter Noon formerly Home

1658
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: and of Herman's Hermits, and then go down. That's okay,

1659
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: it's very complicated. You've never been a player casino with

1660
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: all that. They're not just not too many words. So

1661
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: then I signed with Paradise in in O Hi and yeah,

1662
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: excuse yeah, Paradise Agency and they say, you know, we've

1663
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,719
Speaker 1: got a problem because there's another band called Herman's Hermits

1664
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: going out and we're going to have trouble selling you

1665
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: us with this Herman Sermits, which is Barry whit when

1666
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 1: the druma with his new version of Herman Sermits and

1667
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: we've got to stop them. I don't think, you know,

1668
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: British Laurie is unusual. I don't think we can stuff.

1669
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: I tried to stop and doing it once before, I

1670
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 1: want in New York, but I failed in Britain. I

1671
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 1: mean I won the first case to stopping them using

1672
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: the name. And we decide to let him make him

1673
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: call his band Herman's Hermits starring Barry whitwam a new

1674
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: Herman's Hermits starring Peter Nooner let the audience choose which

1675
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: one they want to pay the money to see, and

1676
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: that was an agreement and I guess night sometime in

1677
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: the nineties maybe, Okay, So where's everybody in the original

1678
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: ban today? Keith Hotwood is in Manchester. He's doing really well.

1679
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 1: I just had lunch with him last week. He's a

1680
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 1: nice boy. And his son is a fan of Herman's Hermits.

1681
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: And so what does he do for a living. He's

1682
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 1: a He is a producer. He does a lot of

1683
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: television and movie commercial work, like sound tracks. Carl Green,

1684
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: what it left the bass player? He left Herman's Hermit

1685
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: starring Barry when about five years ago? And I think

1686
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: he he does equipment, rents equipment or runs a soundboard

1687
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: and Barry wait, we I'm still out with playing Herman's

1688
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Hermit songs. And Derek let him be passed away? When

1689
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 1: did he pass in the night? A long time ago?

1690
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 1: He was a young man, He was very young man,

1691
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: but he had Hudgkin slim foma. Yeah, that's not good. Okay.

1692
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: So I saw you about a month ago and it

1693
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 1: was astounding. I mean, I've seen a lot of acts.

1694
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: What the reason the way I described today is I

1695
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,479
Speaker 1: didn't want to look at my phone. I was afraid

1696
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: I would miss something. And there were First of all,

1697
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: the songs are so great. You have not lost your

1698
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,600
Speaker 1: voice like so many other people at this stage of

1699
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:47,479
Speaker 1: the game. And you're so funny. Okay. If I went

1700
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: to see you the next night at the Canyan Club,

1701
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 1: would you have been doing the same jokes. No, no,

1702
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: it's it's it's all run it's it's all runs off

1703
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 1: the audience. The whole show has to run off the audience.

1704
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: That's what cabaret is. You know, you can't what I have.

1705
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: It is a show. You know, Oklahoma is a show.

1706
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: When you go and see Oklahoma, you know they're going

1707
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: to start there's are bright, golden you know that that's

1708
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 1: what it's going to be. I start with him into

1709
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: something good, and the rest of it is all sort

1710
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: of expected. It's expected that I would do a Mick

1711
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 1: Jagger dick. It was very funny thing. I'm not sure

1712
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: that I expected, and it was certainly funny. But if

1713
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: you've seen the show, you go back and you expect

1714
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 1: all the bits to be there, but they'll all be different.

1715
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 1: We won't do the same Johnny Cash song every night.

1716
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: I have a three hundred songs to choose from. We

1717
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: always do the hits. We always start with him into

1718
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 1: something good, and we always end with there's a kind

1719
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 1: of hush. The rest is all to me. And those

1720
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: guys behind me that look that looks like a enthusiasm

1721
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: is actually consternation, Like what is he gonna do. Does

1722
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: he even know what he's going to do? And I

1723
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,720
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't. Sometimes I wander around and I do

1724
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 1: a Richard Harris story. I sometimes tell a story that's

1725
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,880
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with the show. And so do

1726
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: you enjoy it? Absolutely? I lived for him and I

1727
01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 1: always did, you know, I've always liked that bit of

1728
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 1: that fear factor of jumping up there. Now you describe

1729
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: yourself as the luckiest man in the world. Any regrets.

1730
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: I regret that I wasn't kinder to the people on

1731
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: the way up, and I regret that I wasn't. I

1732
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: never realized how proud my parents were of me. I didn't.

1733
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. You know, until you get

1734
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: your own children, you don't know how proud you are

1735
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: of the smallest things. I didn't realize that they would

1736
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: be proud. And the only compliment my father ever gave

1737
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: to me was he came to see me in Pirates

1738
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: of Penzance on the West End and at the end

1739
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:50,680
Speaker 1: of the show he said, that was pretty good. Do

1740
01:34:50,720 --> 01:34:53,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It's this is kind of weird.

1741
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 1: I mean, British tend to be reserved, but my parents

1742
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: have not been supportive of any endeavors I have. Remember

1743
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 1: once I got an email from Quincy Jones and I

1744
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: know Quincy at this but first email, I get it

1745
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: and I forward it to my mother. This is like

1746
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, and I'll get a response and I'm

1747
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: on the phone and I go, hey, mom, uh and

1748
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: I sent you an email from Quincy Jones. She said, yeah, yeah,

1749
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: I read it. Your mom. You know it's Quincy Jones. Yeah.

1750
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: I got a question, oh, v Quincy Jones, how would

1751
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: you know him? And it's like, whoa that was looking

1752
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 1: for my don't look for it from my family? So

1753
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: what have you do? But no, But I'm not like that.

1754
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean I wish that when when I've been on

1755
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,679
Speaker 1: top of the pops and the record was number one,

1756
01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: that I'd gone home and say, hey, you know, well

1757
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 1: they think your parents were proud. Whatever. I haven't had

1758
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: the success you've had, But my parents are not proud.

1759
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 1: I think I think you aldience understands, which acknowledged them. Yeah,

1760
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: so what have you learned in this career? You know,

1761
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: all the good guys to finish first. I've found that

1762
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people that I respect and have had

1763
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: long careers, like Paul McCartney and Mick Jagger and people

1764
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 1: like that. They're very nice people there, you know, there's

1765
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 1: the night. I can't find a better word than nice.

1766
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 1: They're they're they're really cautious with their kindness, you know,

1767
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 1: they're they're kind people. Do you believe they were kind

1768
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: on the way up? And one never knows how people

1769
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: were there were always kind to me and and you know,

1770
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 1: I would say that somebody like Mick Jagger has this

1771
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: fascinating arrogance, which is which I feed off, because he's

1772
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: a man who is one of the top five biggest

1773
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: star in stars in the world, but he's completely under

1774
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,479
Speaker 1: the radar. You don't know where he is. Like me,

1775
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: he's never set foot on a red carpet because we

1776
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: don't want any of that. We don't want that. That's

1777
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,959
Speaker 1: not what we're looking for. Red carpets and people flashing

1778
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: bulbs in you know, we've got a song because it

1779
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,759
Speaker 1: now it's all about the songs, isn't it. And he's

1780
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 1: got that thing. And Paul mc cartney as well, he

1781
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: lives under he's under the radar. When he was married

1782
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 1: to Linda and making all those great records like ram,

1783
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: they lived in a little cottage in the middle of nowhere.

1784
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: They lived a personal, fabulous little life in love. Now

1785
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: all the people, all those British invasion acts, do you

1786
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: personally know all those people? Probably? I think I know

1787
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 1: all the British and uh and you keep up with

1788
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 1: any of these people you see about other road, Yes, see,

1789
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: almost everybody. Like I mean, I was just on a

1790
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: tour in England with Brian Pool from Brian Pool on

1791
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: the Tramler's Probably he's at the end of his career,

1792
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:36,639
Speaker 1: but I saw him the first time with the Beatles

1793
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 1: opening for the Beatles in Ermston and the middle of

1794
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: a field and I've I've known him for that long.

1795
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: So of six sixty three to now is this is

1796
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 1: a classic question. But you mentioned so many gigs. What's

1797
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: the best gig that you've ever been into that you

1798
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: you were not the performer? Oh, probably Gino Washington and

1799
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 1: the Ram Jam band that the you know what I mean,

1800
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: just one inspirational gig, where as a guy who's just

1801
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:10,360
Speaker 1: sweating and and and also Roy Head. I saw Roy

1802
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: Head in Houston once. Did you even know Ray Head

1803
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: had this record? Like and he was like he did

1804
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: Jackie Wilson, I like Jackie Wilson as well, but he

1805
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 1: could do Jackie Wilson better than Jackie Wilson. And he

1806
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 1: sound great, had a phenomenal band, and I saw I

1807
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 1: saw the Supremes once and they were pretty good too.

1808
01:38:26,520 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: So there's there's about five or six really fascinating giggs.

1809
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 1: And every time I saw Roy Orbison he always killed me.

1810
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 1: And and of course every time every time I saw

1811
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,719
Speaker 1: the Beatles and Jerry and the Pacemakers, they were brilliant.

1812
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: Jerry and the Pacemakers were on that tour with you, Yeah,

1813
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 1: but then it wasn't the original Jerry. I'm talking Jerry

1814
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 1: and the Pacemakers at the Cavern and at the Liverpool Locarno.

1815
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: And you know, Jerry was very kind to my first

1816
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: Pete Novak on the Harbis. He took us on a

1817
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: tour with him and he was the headliner and it

1818
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 1: was Billy Ja Kramer under the coatas with a second act,

1819
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: and we were the opening act. And Jerry very kindly

1820
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 1: showed us to our dressing who which had gentlemen written

1821
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: on it. It's a joke. Thanks for calling on at all.

1822
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 1: Let me show you to your addressing room. So when

1823
01:39:12,760 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: you're doing a gig. Now do you know whether it's

1824
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: a good gig or a bad gig. You never do

1825
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: a bad one because you're so experienced. But there are

1826
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:22,639
Speaker 1: certain gigs that are better than other. Do you suddenly

1827
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 1: feel it when you're doing it? But I never quit

1828
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 1: on it, you know the guy the guys in my

1829
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: bend says, wow, we thought we'd lost one air. But

1830
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 1: you never quit, you know, because I've I know, I've

1831
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,800
Speaker 1: always got Henry the eighth. You know, you back up, okay,

1832
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:39,280
Speaker 1: so that Henry the eighth is your trick. That's how

1833
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 1: that you know you rely on that or you'll play

1834
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: that sooner to wake everybody up. Yeah, but there's a

1835
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: few that can do that. You know. It's sometimes it's

1836
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: listen people, you know, it can change my my, my my.

1837
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I can read an audience pretty well because I've been

1838
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,639
Speaker 1: doing it for a long time and I've never done

1839
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 1: anything else, you know, I've never had a success of

1840
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: anything else, ex from being on a stage and reading

1841
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 1: an audience. And now, with the time you have left,

1842
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 1: which you could be a day or thirty years, what

1843
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,680
Speaker 1: would you like to do with accomplisher? You having accomplished

1844
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: yet I think I want to do this for I've

1845
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:13,680
Speaker 1: got ten more years. I keep saying every every day,

1846
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: I say, ten more years of this would be great,

1847
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, and then I'd probably I've got to keep

1848
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 1: my chops. You know. It's a lot of musicians like

1849
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger and Paul mcco are actually athletes who can

1850
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 1: sing and dance and and create music. So you have

1851
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,839
Speaker 1: to think that, you know, when you lose the ability

1852
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:32,599
Speaker 1: to do it, you have to be able to stop.

1853
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 1: You know, if you can't hit home runs anymore, you've

1854
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: gotta quit. You don't want to go into the mind leagues.

1855
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 1: And while he is still hitting home runs, when you

1856
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 1: see Peter Noone's name in the paper, you go to

1857
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 1: his website. You should definitely go. If you know his records,

1858
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: you will have a fantastic time and you'll smile and

1859
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: glow for the next Peter so great to have you here,

1860
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: that you could go on for so much or so

1861
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 1: many other questions like I have, but I will do

1862
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:04,599
Speaker 1: it again, and at all period of all those specific songs.

1863
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: I have memories. I remember, as I say, you know,

1864
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 1: being in a bus being tired from skiing, and listen

1865
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: people coming out of the radio and the bus and

1866
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,679
Speaker 1: it being dark. You have all these memories of these songs,

1867
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,600
Speaker 1: but as long as they're good memories, I I have

1868
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: make it. Most used to say, it's only about the songs. Remember,

1869
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: it's about the songs. And it always and my show

1870
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: still is only about the songs. It doesn't matter how

1871
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: they presented. You know, people can go out and sing

1872
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: those songs in a karaoke bar and people get the

1873
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: buzz because it's only about the songs. Okay um, I

1874
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: present them really well, I do say so. Yes, let's

1875
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 1: go back to what part of the renaissance was I'm

1876
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:44,439
Speaker 1: into something good was in The Naked Gun in eight

1877
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: I think it was, But that wasn't the original version.

1878
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 1: That was a recut by you. Yeah. We had to

1879
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 1: recut it because they were and we re cut it

1880
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:53,880
Speaker 1: so well that they said, we have to change the

1881
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:57,599
Speaker 1: solo because Alan Klein that a code. People will think

1882
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: it's the original and they'll want the licensing feast. We

1883
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 1: just went and we've rechanged the guitar solom and put

1884
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 1: like some little little do. I think the theater that

1885
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 1: I saw that and that's one of the that's the

1886
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: best part of the movie. I thought it was the

1887
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: original track. We tried, We tried very hard to sing.

1888
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 1: You know I can still do that herm and guy

1889
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 1: really well. You know I take a lot of pay

1890
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 1: a lot of attention to to try to be that

1891
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: guy that sang those records. Do you mean with your

1892
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: voice or your appearance, every every part of it. It's

1893
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 1: standis Levski kets it's um. You know, if you if

1894
01:42:32,200 --> 01:42:34,320
Speaker 1: you can become the person and you can believe it,

1895
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 1: then all the music makes sense. If you can believe it,

1896
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:38,759
Speaker 1: just for a few minutes that you're in the studio

1897
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 1: in in in London making the record with sixteen year

1898
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,760
Speaker 1: old boys. If you can get into that suit, then

1899
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: it will work. Can you get into that suit every night,

1900
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 1: five nights a week. I can do it. I needed,

1901
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 1: I do need a day off now and then. But

1902
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: I truly you know, when I did Pirates of Penzance,

1903
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: I did a thousand consecutive shows, and that I was.

1904
01:42:58,280 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: I was in New Zealand and I think was the

1905
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: Prime Minister long He said to me, how do you

1906
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 1: do a thousand shows? Us? I'm still trying to get

1907
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: it right for Wow And when you live, I mean,

1908
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 1: I know you, but you when you go through we

1909
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: airports or you're on the street, to people recognize you.

1910
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the people. Do you know certain people do.

1911
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,519
Speaker 1: I wish it was the twenty three year old girls,

1912
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: but it's it's usually the sixty two year old men

1913
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:27,799
Speaker 1: and their and their moms, you know what I mean. Okay,

1914
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,679
Speaker 1: it's okay, but that's recognition. I love being under the radar.

1915
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:32,920
Speaker 1: I like being able to walk around right star Box

1916
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 1: and that have this following that is a magical following.

1917
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: I have a massive, magical following who trust me to

1918
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 1: keep delivering Once again, I think we're finally done here.

1919
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Peter, Thanks Abo,