WEBVTT - KJ Live - Matt Barnes 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.479 This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson, and Chris is 0:00:10.520 --> 0:00:14.480 having conversations with influencers in the sports world and entertainment 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:20.720 in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are now 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.080 tuned in to kJ Live. I'm your host, Chris Johnson, 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.240 today's guest on the show. Played in the NBA fifteen seasons, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.920 winning a NBA Championship as a member of the Golden 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.519 State Warriors in two thousand seventeen. Since retiring, this former 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:37.920 u C. L. A. Bruin has carved a night's niche 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.479 in the sports media space, covering the NBA for ESPN 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:45.120 and as co host of the award winning podcast All 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:50.519 the Smoke. Please welcome Matt Barnes to kJ live. What's up, man, 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:52.080 and Chris? What are you going to speak with that 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.680 serious intro voice the whole conversation? Yeah, you know that's 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.360 my sick voice. You know I had to give him 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.800 that song. Well, you know, you gotta keep the listener 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.800 as soon as they if they hear a weird old voice, 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.120 they're gonna be I'm out, man. You gave them what 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.240 they're looking for. Man, you're you're already on my hand man, 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.360 And like we go back and forth with the light 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.760 skinning thing all the time, bro, And that's something that 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.080 I'm og light skin and I get it all the time. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.039 The other day, Clay Thompson deep book Ye that light skin, 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.560 light skin, light skin. What did you make of that 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.039 little nothing beef or whatever you want another? I like it, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:29.960 and I haven't seen that out of Clay. You know, 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.800 ironically enough, we had just interviewed play the week before, 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.000 so maybe you know some of all the smoke rubbed 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.000 off on them, But you know, I love it. You know, 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.280 Devin Booker is one of the top two guards in 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:42.039 the NBA. Clay has a Hall of Fame career, and 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.600 you know he's trying to come back from two tough 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.120 injuries to kind of get back in that top two 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.680 guarden conversation. So I mean, I think I think it's dope. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.760 You know, two really good teams that should probably see 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.520 each other, you know, late in the season in the playoffs. 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.120 And when you played in the league, Matt you you know, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.920 you were tough, you were hard nosed, developed the reputation 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.680 as a guy that didn't take no ship. Um, do 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.800 you think today's NBA versus the time that you played 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:09.960 in the league. Do you think it's soft now or 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.359 how would you characterize I think it's just different. I 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.880 think it's different. Um, I wouldn't say soft, it's just 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.919 it's it's transitioned into a different direction. Uh, it's more 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:24.280 about scoring and scoring and scoring and highlights. Um. But 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.120 at the same time, that's the same thing that continues 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.239 to make the game grow. You know. I broke it 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.040 down to someone too. You know, I miss when you 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:31.680 played or how it used to be or how used 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.560 to be before. And I'm just like you know, this 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.760 is a culture of headline reading and quick edits so 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.120 when you see highlights, you want to see step shooting 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.280 from damn near half. You want to see someone dunk, 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.240 and you want to see more excitement. So the old 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.960 you know, the days of the defensive games. You know, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.280 I think we're gone. And although I was, I was 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.119 a defensive type player, I don't mind it. There's something 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.160 to be said too, uh, for the culture that we 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.799 live in and the way people respond to certain styles 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.680 from our athletes. We see it in all sports, right, 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.560 Baseball you have celebrations now dudes are just going crazy 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:09.800 and bat flipping. Football you have the situation where you 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.079 can't touch the quarterback. Things are really light rough in 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.639 the pastors called nearly every single play and then basketball, right, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.919 you have the situation, the hands off and all that. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:26.000 Do you think that the entertainmentization of professional sports is 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.720 the move do you do? You mean, do you feel 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.440 like because there's a lot of purest out there, Man, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.000 I get it. I mean, I just don't want it 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.400 to affect the quality of the game. Like I don't 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.080 you know, we were talking about us on ESPN the 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.440 other day, Like the Memphis Grizzlies are the new age 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.240 of what the NBA is heading towards. They dance on 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:44.720 the court, they celebrate, but they also play hard and 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.520 good basketball, you know what I mean. So if I 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.520 don't mind with this, because we always have to adapt 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.680 that no matter how pure we are, you know, the 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:53.600 game's going to go the direction it's gonna go, and 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.960 it's always gonna be a youth movement pushing it. So, 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.840 you know, being someone who coaches thirteen year olds and 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.080 and has kids and just understand that this is a 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:06.000 TikTok dancing era, I see that's where the game is going. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.520 So that, like I said, I don't mind it as 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.120 long as just that, you know, I don't want to 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.960 see the competitive you know, I think the competitiveness is 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.080 a little it's taking a few steps back because everyone's 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.440 friends now, you know what I mean, We we knew people. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.760 But when it didn't matter. You know how close you 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:21.160 and I are when the both of us when the 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.320 ball went up, we could fight during the game and 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.120 then have a drink after, you know what I mean. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.160 So it's just like, I don't want to see the 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.440 competitors and the quality of the game take a step back. Um, 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.840 But I don't mind what this new age is bringing. No. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.320 I love it. I love today's NBA. I love the 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.440 skill set, and I love the way that that that 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.320 they're allowed to get off. You know, I thought I 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:42.240 was gonna hate it all the dribbling a couple of 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:43.719 years ago. If you would have talked to me, I'd 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.800 have been like, oh man, too many five dribble step 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.640 back compos Now I'm kind of like I like that stuff. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:50.200 I like it. But at the same time, you don't 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.400 see that from the really good teams, you know what 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.880 I mean. And it's you know, they the recipe to 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.120 win hasn't changed, you know, you gotta play defense, you 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.920 gotta play hard, you gotta move the ball. So they're 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.680 are the guys that have the ability now to really 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.560 dance with it, But you don't see the really good 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.359 teams doing it too often. What did you make of 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.800 the Draymond Green Jordan Pool situation. I know you guys 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.680 were up there to do some stuff and it happened 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.760 around the same time we got there the day after 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.039 it happened. Um. I think the bigger issue is that 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.920 it was leaked. Um. We really haven't heard if, if, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:22.760 if whoever leaked it. You know, I want to see 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.120 that person's face. I want to see their name. I 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:25.880 want to make sure they're black ball because that was wrong. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.919 But at the same time, you know, the incident just 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.159 it's it's unfortunate. But you know, as well as I do. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:31.880 With you know, your dad being in the NBA and 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.880 you having your running in college and professional basketball, fights happen. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.800 Fights happen. Um. You know, I just don't think it 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:44.279 Jordan Pool is expecting that type of energy. Um. But again, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.640 fights happen. Um. You know, will the relationship ever be 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.760 the same? Who knows? Will this mess the team up 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.360 by any means? Absolutely not, And I think a lot 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:54.840 of people were trying to say, oh, this is this 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.720 and that, and Draymond needs to go and Jordan's shouldn't play. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.840 At the end of the day, both these guys are professional. Um, 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.120 you know, Draymond has been a part of a dynasty. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:08.840 Jordan Pool is next in line, and you know that 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.000 foundation is too solid for a fight to let although 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:13.600 it was it was a punch that not even a fight, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.039 a punch that was seen around the world that that 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:18.479 the foundation of that team is too sturdy, from the 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.520 top to the coaches to the players. Let anything like that, 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:23.039 you know, come back and bite him in the ass 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:27.240 down the road. So um, you know you don't want 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:28.760 to see it, but you have to understand that in 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.240 competitive sports that happens. Yeah, it does, especially on the 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.320 pro level. I you know, I had mixed feelings about 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.840 it because in one hand, it's kind of like my 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:39.679 first thought was like, you know, what did Jordan Poole 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.760 say to kind of do Draymond like that? But then 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.120 it was like, man, Draymond didn't really have to respond 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.240 that way. As I've gotten older, Matt and I'm sure 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.800 you have to you reflect on decisions we make and 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.360 how and Draymond talked about in this podcast. Now you 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.560 know he's he's how his effects everyone. George's got to 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.800 deal with it, caring about the next man. And that's 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:58.919 what I like to see and hear from people. And 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:00.680 I think that's something that we kind of grew up 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.240 not really caring about just empathizing with that. There was 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.120 no empathy. Bad but you don't there's no empathy. Yeah, 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:09.880 I've put myself for your shoes and I don't care. 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:11.560 But now you see more empathy. And I think as 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.480 a sports culture as a whole, that's that's a better 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.280 way to kind of start dealing with stuff. Um Man, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.040 everybody out here in l A. He's talking about Westbrook 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:21.880 and the Lakers. Man, I gotta get your take on 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.480 what's happening with the Lakers and and how can they 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.280 fix that situation or can it be fixed? Marks? It's unfortunate, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.320 you know, with with Russ being a Brewing brother, and 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.520 I've always been a fan of him, whether I'm playing 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.600 against him or watching him. The way he approaches the game, 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.960 I love um but that particular style just has an 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:45.120 aged well, um, you know, he's not the the arguably 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.920 be he's been the most athletic point we've ever seen 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:49.360 in the history of the game, and he's just not 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.400 there anymore. So it was, you know, to me, I 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:54.240 was thinking, you know, what's that in the next evolution 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.240 of his game? You know, how do you start to 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.920 change speeds and and use more of your mind than 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.120 your your body? You know, as we get older in 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.560 the in the league particularly, That's what it really becomes about. Um, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.440 because I still think he has a lot of game left, 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:08.400 but I just don't think he was a very good 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.600 fit for this team to begin with, because he's best 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.800 with the ball in his hands. And on the flip side, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.200 you have Lebron James who's going to be the number 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.000 one score in top ten and assists, so you want 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:22.800 the ball in his hands. Um, can it be fixed? 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:27.640 Who's the blame? I don't know if he could be fixed. Um. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.880 I really empathize with what Russ from a standpoint of 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.000 this is home for him, you know what I mean. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.959 And it looks like all the noise has taken the 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.760 joy out of the game for him, you know, because 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.080 he's always been one of the most mentally strong players 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.760 we've ever seen. Nothing's ever bothered Russ. But I can 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.000 definitely tell that l A noise is bothered Russ because 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.880 there's so much of it. They've attacked his family, the 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.960 disrespect on the on and we can get to this 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.880 later on. You know, the the media outlets that the 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.840 sports channels like crossing the line, like not criticizing game, 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.040 but you know, disrespect think the person. And I'm never 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:06.280 with that. Um. You know, I'm not someone that thinks, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.000 you know, send him home. I'm going to send him 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.640 home and I try to find a trade and try 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:12.320 to find a trade for him, you know what I mean. 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.560 And we talked about this the other day with Rachel 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.920 on on on all the smoke. It's just like, you know, 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.079 if if they can wait till June, you know, Russ 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:22.880 is gonna come off the books, they have a max 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.840 slot and they can completely flip the face of this 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:27.680 team for the first time because they're gonna finally have 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.920 some flexibility, um, and keep their draft picks that have 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.400 they have them for down the road or do you 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.880 make a move during the season. I never understood why 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.720 the Buddy Healed and Miles Turner trade didn't get because 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.600 I think that would help the Lakers shooting, and Miles 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:44.679 Turner is an active big, a real big. They can 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.240 block this who has led the league in shot blocks before. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.520 I'm not sure why that one has been held up 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.240 to me. I think that's been the best look if 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.880 there are going to be a trade. But it's just 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.040 a shitty situation. The Lakers are and I always tell 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.360 people because I played for both teams, but there's nothing 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:03.880 like being the Laker. I would give a funk if 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:05.600 they're the worst team in the NBA that hasn't won 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.880 a game, or they're on the verse to a championship 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.600 that the magnifying glass year underneath is is great and 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.840 it could be horrible. And for this instance, so um, 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:17.920 I don't know if he could be fixed. Um. I'm 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:19.720 always wishing for the best for Rust and I always 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.199 want to see Lebron do well. But this is again 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.200 a poorly constructed roster, and I just with puzzle pieces 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.880 that I don't think necessarily fit, which brings me to 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.040 my next question. If the roster is everyone knows it 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.360 is poorly constructed, right, no shooters this and that last 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.960 year you had like eight guys they signed that were 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.760 will pastor Prime didn't really contribute. So why is it 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:45.200 that Russell gets the brunt of the criticism versus say 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.160 Rob Polinka, who built the frenchise or who you know? 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.880 Who you know? Who? Who is who's really making the decisions? 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.199 You know what I mean that that's my questions who's 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:58.480 really making the calls? You know, because I don't really 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.360 know and you know, you know you you hear there's 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.760 a lot of influence over there, um, so who is 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.240 making the decisions? But absolutely right, you know, like Lebron 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:09.240 is best through his entire career when you put shooting 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.440 around him playing and simple, like when you put shooting 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.360 around and playing simple, you know, I think you hear that. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.160 You know, even DeMar said in the interviews, DeMar thought 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.080 he was coming here. You know, DeMar could have been 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.199 that kind of fit. But though you you give up 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.280 the last of you know, obviously to get a d 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.480 they had to give away all those young pieces and 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.439 all those young pieces outside the ball being hurt. But 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.360 even when he plays, all those guys are flourishing man 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.400 looking great. But when they've ever got to that level, 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.040 because they wouldn't have been able to have the ball 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.400 in their hands this much on the Lebron James type team. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.360 And then the second time around, when you go get Russ, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.440 you give up Kuzma who's having a great year. You 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.560 go up KCP who hit big shots in the in 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.240 the finals. For you, you don't resign Caruso, who was 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:55.120 a fucking spark plug that who everyone loves. Everyone loved him. Um, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.880 so you know decisions have been made. I'm not sure 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:02.160 who's made them. Um, but Russ is definitely not the problem. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.440 Like we're losing, we're owing for because rusting you play 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.160 last night, you still lost. So it's just like Russ 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:11.520 is the scapegoat. Russ is one of one of the problems. 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.080 But it's not not saying it's that seem same problem. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.679 I'm saying it's he's not playing well, so that's kind 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.200 of a problem. But who knows, man, it's it's a 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:23.160 big mess and I don't know who's going to get 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.800 blamed or who's involved. But so you know, fingers have 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.400 to be pointed. Again, it's a laker, So you're just 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.520 you're not expecting stuff like this, I mean that owing 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.319 four do At what stage do you start to question 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.960 or pointing something to blame it? Lebron and question Lebrons 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:39.120 leadership is it I mean, do you do that? You 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.559 you can? You know you can because I mean it's 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.800 his you know, it's his team. You know, so it's 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.880 not necessarily that he's per se doing anything wrong. But 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.560 we have to understand, like this is your twenty and 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.640 be getting his motor started. We know it's it's definitely 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:57.720 a marathon for him, not a sprint. Um. But again, 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.320 you gotta put pieces around him, especially older in his 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.120 as they could really do something. And then you know 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.120 eight has been playing well, which is a which is 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.240 a good thing that hasn't translated into win. But outside 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.560 of eighty, you gotta put pieces around Lebron that fit, 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:14.600 and when you don't, it can get ugly, no question. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:16.560 We've seen it early this season on the other side 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.280 of the down the hallway, the Clippers starting out to 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.720 believe too. And two they look decent this year. Do 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:26.920 you think the Clippers if Kauai is healthy, PG stays healthy, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:31.280 do you think they have enough to win the champion? Absolutely? 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.360 I think health aside, this is probably the deepest team 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.760 in the league. Um. You know, obviously they're really monitoring 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.199 Kauai's load. Is that a good mover. Is that you're 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.679 okay with that. I'm fine with that. Kind of always 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.760 been a load guy, you know what I mean. And 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.320 he still produces when when when the time is right. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.960 So I think I've been a big fan of what 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:54.040 Tyler has been as a head coach. You know, we 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.720 didn't really know if in Cleveland wasn't Lebron, but this, 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:02.400 this is clearly Eilu having these guys buy into what 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.920 he's telling them, you know, being stars in their roles. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.280 They've done a great job of that, you know, the 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.640 last two years with you know, no quite all last 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.280 year PG for thirty games, they made the playoffs with 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:16.120 no star, which is no no star, you know what 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.560 it means. So you get your two guys back, you 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:21.720 get a hungry John Wall who's been impressive um his 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.720 ability to still get downhill and score and get to 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:29.600 the foul line. I think, along with Golden State, to me, 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:31.760 those are the two best teams in the Western Conference. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.560 Golden State Clippers. And I'm not even saying this from 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.800 because I think both these teams, not to cut you off, 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:40.040 know that it's a marathon, not a spending their goals 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:41.440 to be playing in June They may not be the 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.680 top two seeds in the Western Conference, but I think 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.200 they're the two best teams in the Western Conference. Who 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:52.160 do you like the East? I like Milwaukee. I really 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.160 like Boston, but I don't think Boston. Boston is gonna 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.440 be a good team all year. Um, but I don't 0:14:57.440 --> 0:14:59.520 think they make noise in the playoffs unless Robert Williams 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.480 is healthy. He's big, big athletic, does everything you need 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.440 from a big in today's game. So they definitely need 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.360 Robert Williams. Um. You know, the the jury is going 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.280 to be out on Brooklyn until they prove it, you know. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:18.320 With k D and KAUAI think they're young. I like them. 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.200 I like them. I have to see more. You know, 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.480 none of the guys on the team have necessarily won, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.240 you know what I mean. You gotta and knowing how 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.360 to win and and and winning and closing games to 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.600 win and then when it gets later in the you know, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.480 end of the season and playoffs, like experience is the 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.040 best teacher when it comes out. But I like their 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.520 young roster, and and and and went Donovan Mitchell Donov 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.320 mitchells a hooper and and Daris Garland's coming into his 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.440 own being the first time All Star last year. So 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:49.360 Devin the young boy from usc um Evin Mobile, you know. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:50.880 I mean they got a good core of Jared Allen, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.640 so I like what they have. I think they're more 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.280 of a mid pack. I think they're around that five 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.680 six area in in in the Eastern Conference. But they 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.560 could peak at some point to get hot and be 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.680 like a third seed for a while. But I think 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.680 they're more of the middle of the pack when it 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.200 comes to the Eastern Conference. Yeah, I mean it's four 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.040 or five games into the season, so it's a lot 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.880 of basketball. As a pro somebody that spent fifteen years 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.480 in the league. You you know the deal like us 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:18.200 as fans, and you know the peanut gallery. It's like 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.840 we're losing put people pulling out their hair. Yeah, it's 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.360 it's I think the NBA goes in a couple runs 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.240 at the beginning of the season. You know, guys are active. Uh, 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.440 it dies off after Thanksgiving until Christmas. Those Christmas Day 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.880 games are always popping and then it's gonna die off 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.360 in January. Um, going to the All Star break, you know, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:37.400 guys are gonna be laying better to to make the 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.760 All Star team and then after the All Star break, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.680 to me is when the season really gets going. You know, 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.000 you got anywhere from twenty to thirty games left, and 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.360 it's go time. You know, you gotta understand who's going 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.320 to be there with those rotations, are with the chemistry 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.280 with those guys are and get ready to tighten down 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.800 your lineups going into the playoffs. Do you, and having 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.400 explained that, is there times during the season where you 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.840 turn it on as a pro more than other times? 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.919 Or does are you just one way where you just 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.960 one was just always energy, you know what I mean. 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:08.880 But it's just there's a lot that goes into it. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.160 Um you know, like it's just a lot that goes 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.080 into it. So I was always someone who played hard, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.919 but just I think the overall energy of the basketball 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.080 is just because it's such a long season, long season, 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.240 you know what I mean, So to be the whole 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.760 entire time for some of these stars, although they play hard, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.160 it's just tough, you know. So you know, I think 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.200 there's a few spots for basketball. And that's not to 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.360 say in those downtimes I said, you're even get back 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.720 to get good basketball. But I think just the overall 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.240 product is the best in those times, I said, yeah, 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.960 facts switching gears to the A. You youth basketball level. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.520 You're heavily involved in the development of your Your two sons, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:50.919 Isaian Carter, their their high level for their age group, 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.600 and you know you've kind of been on the grind. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:57.439 Describe yourself or describe the type of basketball parent that 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:03.359 you are. I am a dad that when you're in 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.040 between those lines, play hard, period, no matter what that's 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.040 you know, you can't control everything, but you're you're the 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:10.960 two things or your attitude and your energy. And I 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.119 was someone whose attitude was this, So I want my 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:18.000 kid's attitude to be more consistent, um, but in their 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.840 energy always up. UM. As far as skill development, I 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:22.400 was never really a dad that was going to push 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:26.399 my kids, you know, um, because I think too often 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.280 parents make it a job too early. Parents try to 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.520 vicariously live through their children. Um. You know, they missed 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.800 on their glory day, So my kids gotta be it. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.240 And every parent thinks their child's going to the NBA. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:40.600 So it's just that there's a lot that goes in there. 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.600 That that's the toxic side of the bat one of 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:47.280 the toxic sides of AU basketball. But I never pushed 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.640 them just because, like again, I wanted them to want 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.879 to find the love and the passion to do it, 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.920 because I'm not gonna be able to push them all 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.640 the way through. So I'm not gonna start pushing them 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.679 early on, like they have to want that, because that's 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.040 if they wanted. It's the only chance they have even 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.240 having a chance to make it, is they gotta wanted. Um, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.520 you know, they've been around the game a lot. You know, 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:09.720 they were in the locker rooms with Code. They're in 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.600 the locker rooms with CP and Blake. They were in 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:17.959 the on the plane with Katie and Steph and Clay 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.159 for the finals, and in the you know, in the 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.679 locker room with those guys. So they they're they're basketball. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.320 I Q has always been high, but like most kids, 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.879 they like to play video games. So they were always 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.200 good at a younger age because their i Q was 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.280 so high. But then as they started getting older and 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.520 other kids are working out and they're not working out, 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.480 other kids started catching them. You know. So as a coach, 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.080 you know, one starting in one isn't you know, And 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:42.119 it's not to say that the second one that's not 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.399 starting couldn't start He's just they have to work on 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:48.280 their games. So I think that kind of they started 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:50.600 father that they they say, you know, they started wanting 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:52.719 to work out more. Was I surprised him for their 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.920 tenth birthday with the workout from Kobe. We drove, We 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.480 drove out to Orange County. He put them through hell. 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.080 One of them was crying at the end. It was 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.000 funny as a motherfucker. But that I remember when we 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:03.680 went in there because me and Cope talked the night 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.879 before just about what this like, What do they like, 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:08.480 what do they like to do? What's their games like? 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:11.280 And we were talking and when we got in there, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:12.680 he's like, where you guys want to go to school? 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.240 And in Unison? So we're going to U C. L 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.760 A and clubs like not to play basketball, And they're 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:21.120 like the fuck. They're like, you know, your dad said 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.000 all you want to do is play video games. He's like, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:24.760 do you guys, do you guys work on your games? 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.720 And they look at each other. No. He's like, all right, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.200 well you guys can go there because you're gonna be smart, 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:31.720 but you're not gonna play basketball. And I kind of 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:33.400 like sucked him up a little bit and he put 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:35.399 them through a tough workout and it kind of to 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:38.080 me it turned the lightbulb on, but it wasn't all 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.240 the way on. So, you know, over the next their 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:43.399 thirteen now, so over the next maybe a year, they 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.600 would you know, have days where they it was just me, 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:47.439 and they would have days that they want to do it. 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.119 We'll go out and you know, go go out in 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.119 the backyard and shoot and get a good work out in. 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.159 But it wasn't consistent. So I still wasn't going to 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:55.480 push them. But then as they continue to get older 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.560 and they see their friends getting better, they're like, okay, Dad, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.640 we're ready to start working out. So that probably happened 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.160 at about they'll be fourteen in November, so that probably 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.920 happened maybe a year ago that they wanted to start 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.399 getting serious. So I found Chris Johnson and and just 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:11.480 hoop and he, to me, he's one of the best 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.560 trainers of explaining the game to these kids I've ever 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.040 seen um and I can just see their game improve 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:20.679 so much. I mean, the one thing they can do 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.679 is shoot the ball, which which is needed, but they 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:24.359 shoot the ship out of the ball, which I love. 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:26.720 So to me, they have a high i Q. They 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.200 naturally shoot the ball. So now to me is where 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.440 now we can learn the skill, because you can always 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.359 learn the skill, but shooting is something you have to have, 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.640 and to me, the i Q is something that's very important. 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.280 So they have those two things and now they're just 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.719 adding the skill to it, um, which is great. So 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.080 it's it's good. It's it's a fun journey to watch 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.119 now because they want it. It's not about me, but 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:46.879 obviously you know now that they want it, I'm going 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:50.280 to give them every opportunity and resource to have. You know, 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:52.359 they also trained in boxing, so you know they're starting 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.080 to get their cardio right in their hands right because 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:56.320 you know they're going to get pushed as light skinned, 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.280 curly hair boys like we did. And our hands are 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.960 always ready, but they're not gonna grow up like we 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:03.720 grew up. So I got to make sure that you know, 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.240 their hands are ready and and and overall just a 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.399 good cardio work. So you know, now the journey starts 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.280 and it's um, it's dope. Like I said, it's it's 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.280 really joyful being able to see your kids fall in 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.800 love with something and then you start seeing their improvement. 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.320 You know what I mean, and I'm giving them the 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.080 the the ins and outs and the integral sides of 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.159 the game. So we'll have to see what happens. But 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.240 Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.280 the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox sports 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.440 Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.760 search f s R to listen live. There's nothing better 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:41.239 than seeing your child discover their passion and then you know, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.040 go after it and chase it without you having to 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.480 tell them or wake them up in the morning, like 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.320 they're getting up before you and just already at it. 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:51.920 I know, we remember what Will man, Yeah, the journey 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:53.720 when he was you know, when it was to when 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.680 the whole organ stuff was coming about, and kind of 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.639 how nervous as a father you were and what that 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.399 was like, you know what I mean, Like that's a dream, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.679 Like I hope it. You know, I'm in your shoes 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.199 one day when it comes to that and and just 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.760 kind of get to experience that because I like, I'm 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:09.640 loving it. At thirteen, I couldn't imagine, like, Okay, they've 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.240 always want to go do you see oh ship? You 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.600 see this an opportunity now, like, yeah, let's go get 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.480 this ship. Hey, hey, yea. One of the things that 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:20.479 an obstacle for the young athletes today is sort of 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:24.720 this social media versus reality situation, right because you know, 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:26.399 you see something on social media, you might think a 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.600 guy because the video has a million hits and you 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:32.639 you're automatically think this guy is legit. Um they make you. 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:35.040 Social media sometimes make you feel lesser than what you 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.280 truly are. I mean, there's a lot of self esteem issues. 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:41.240 How do you protect your kids or school your kids 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:43.240 on how to handle social media. I know they're active, 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:45.159 they have a podcast, so how do you handle that? 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:50.879 Bar just talk to them, you know, And I waited, um, 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.720 you know, they just started getting excuse me active on 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:57.959 the social platforms maybe about right before they turn twelve, 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:02.000 because I just knew what kind of dangerous negative area 0:24:02.080 --> 0:24:04.280 that is. You know, it's it's beneficial if if it's 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.480 used right, and there are people that use it the 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:07.960 right way. But you know, we just live in a 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.600 generation of just negativity and hate, which is which is crazy. 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:13.840 You don't want, Yeah, you don't want that at a 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:15.720 young age. For like you said, those kids, you know, 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:19.120 or some adults you know, justify their their their their 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.480 value by likes and comments, you know, So I just 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.560 want them to understand that it it really is almost 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:26.040 two different worlds. Enjoy it, but enjoy it like a 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.000 video game, like you gotta come back to life, You 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:29.800 gotta do your homework, You still gotta go to bed 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.080 at nine thirty, Like there's real life ship going on, 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.639 Like you still gotta work on your game. But just 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:39.280 understand that people are going to come for you, um, 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.560 you know, especially because you first of all, because you 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:46.160 know you're my kids. Um. Second, because you know you're 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:48.520 pretty decent in basketball. And third is because you know 0:24:48.840 --> 0:24:51.480 we're talking about business in life around here, you know 0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:54.000 what I mean. So they have a successful podcast and 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:56.480 they're starting to do other ship outside of just being 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:59.400 you know, student athletes. So there's gonna be some there's 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.360 gonna be love to with that and negativity that comes 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:03.920 with that. So just really just trying to spoon feed 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.760 them real life game because real life is happening to 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.200 them now. And the earlier you get the real life game, 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.080 you know, the shell shock of it all, it's like 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:13.480 the better you're gonna be off just prepared, yeah yeah, 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:17.399 and now and speaking them as young businessmen and you know, 0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.359 they have a social media presence. And are you thinking 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:21.199 about N I L and are you going to have 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:24.000 them balance both? Yes, I'm definitely gonna have them balanced both. 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.240 I haven't really thought about n I L because at 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:28.160 the end of the day, that's just gonna. It's far away. 0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:29.560 But you know, it's just a new thing that we 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.639 have to think about. It just gonna. It's you know, 0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:33.920 if if they do everything they're supposed to do, in 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:35.920 I L will be an option for them, you know 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:38.320 what I mean. So we can't shortcut the process. We 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:41.199 have to understand that. You know, that's the goal, but 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:43.159 that's not the only goal, you know, are you know 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:44.600 the goal is to get to college. You know, if 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.920 you get to college at a higher school, most likely 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:49.719 you're gonna you know that N I L stuff willcome. 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:52.399 But you know, if their goal is to make it 0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.040 like that, this is great. But let's remember why we're 0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:57.040 here and and and you know, keep our foot on 0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:00.399 the gas. So um, I think it's cool. Uh, you know, 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.320 I wish we had it. I remember being on campus 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:03.960 and you know, I had a cool little car in 0:26:04.000 --> 0:26:06.760 an apartment. But you know, maybe fifteen hundred on a 0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.720 good day when you know when I would when I 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:11.359 would be blessed, But I couldn't imagine having a couple 0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.280 of hundred thousand in Westwood because we might not have 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.160 made it out. You know, we would have fun, well 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.640 we talked about this. With more money, more problems, man, 0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:22.000 we would have fun. But like you you think about 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.359 you know, there's NBA guys the first handful of years 0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:26.639 or even vets that blow their money, you know what 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:28.520 I mean. So you're imagine you're getting these seventeen year 0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:32.720 old kids, eighteen old kids, um all this money, and 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.520 you know when you go to these major programs, you're 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:36.959 the man on campus. You know, you go to these 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:38.760 big programs like at U c l A. We would 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:40.239 you know, we were the ship, you know what I mean. 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.080 So to having all this money and you're making more 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.680 money than the coach sometimes and to me, I'm just 0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.800 gonna want like our kids gonna lose the hunger? Can 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.639 they stay focused? Can they you know, stacking bricks like 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:52.680 we're gonna like our Bordek says, are they going to 0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.040 continue to stack bricks? Because they are having not only 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.080 success and recognition, but now money at a young age. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:02.200 So that's the most good part though, that keeping that motivation, 0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:06.000 that hunger because when you because the reason you're doing 0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:07.600 it is to be paid to be able to take 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:09.399 care of people and have resources to be able to 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:12.720 enjoy your life. So once you achieve that, how do 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.800 you keep the hunger? I mean advice to you to 0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.200 these young because a lot of high school athletes or 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.360 listen to this will remember why you're being paid, Like 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.159 I don't think you can never forget that. Then that 0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:26.120 goes for you know, this level of sports and and 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:28.399 and even in the league, like you can if there's 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.280 so many pitfalls now and social media is such a 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:35.000 prevalent thing in society that you get, like I said, 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.680 you get caught up and think that that's real life sometimes, 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:39.600 so you know, look at that like a video game. 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:43.639 But remember like you're getting these people are looking at 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:45.359 you and loving you and hating on you, and you're 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.720 getting this bread because you're doing something well. So you 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.719 have to continue to do that well and elevate and 0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.879 keep pushing yourself because if you don't, if you stay stagnant, 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:56.679 all that ship disappear and they don't care about you. 0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.640 Do you think the game is in a better place? 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:01.800 College basketball. You think it's in a better place than 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.280 we played because and abandoned, fought for what these kids 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:07.600 have now are one of our o G So okay, 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:09.679 So my point and when I asked you this is 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:11.880 do you think that the game is in a good 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.360 spot as far as doing right by the college athlete? 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.199 I mean, I think NILS is a great idea. But 0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:19.800 at the same time, the n C Double A is 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.280 not the one giving up this money. You know, they're 0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.679 the most corrupt organization, one of the most corrupt organizations 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:27.280 out there, you know, So all those kids are getting 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:28.639 money that has nothing to do with the n C 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.879 Double A giving it to them, you know. So I 0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:34.520 don't know if I would say the game isn't a 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:38.200 good spot because you know, these days, college is almost 0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.160 frowned upon, like, oh, you gotta go to college. You're 0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:42.920 not that nice, right, you know what I mean? We 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.360 had a black I mean, I wouldn't trade college for nothing. 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.320 You know, I was in that four. If I could 0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.440 have stayed longer, I would have. You know, I had 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:51.400 a great time in college. But now if you stay 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.840 to your junior senior year, like they're like, oh, do 0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:55.640 you have enough game? And then there's so many other 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.560 avenues now. You know, I'm working for o T. You know, 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.400 that's an avenue now where kids to go, you know, 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.280 if they don't want to go to college, there there's 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:06.600 other avenues. So I wouldn't say it's in a better place. 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.160 I mean, I think it's fine, But I think the 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.640 competition back when we played was really because no matter 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.680 how good you were, normally you stayed at least three 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.520 or four years, you know, so it just it was consistent. 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.720 You would see guys grow right in front of you, 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.240 and teams would be better because they had more chemistry. 0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:27.240 Guys weren't just in and out, one and done. So, Um, 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.800 you know to me that everyone's goal is to get 0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:31.959 to the league, so if they can, you know, mainstream. 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.040 And I'm not mad at it, but I really personally 0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.640 enjoy college. Absolutely did. The time is our life? You 0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.040 mean you did too? You had a really good time. 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.240 Do we have to read that up right now? It's 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.560 well documented how much fun I had in college. I 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.320 wouldn't trade it for the world. Um, let's talk a 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:51.600 little bit about what you're doing now. Just you know, 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:56.040 you've carved out this role in media where you're doing well, 0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:57.920 are all over the place. I see you all over 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:01.360 the place and have a major league pod. How did 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.560 you start setting yourself up for the career after the 0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:06.920 game doing while you were pro or in college? Is 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.360 this something that you started talk to me about when 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.560 you started to want to go down that route? I wanted, 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.640 you know, I started thinking about transition. I played to 0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:18.200 lot of thirty seven. I started thinking about transitioning at 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.840 about thirty two. You know, just like, Okay, who knows 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.400 how much longer to be playing? Um, you know, let 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.080 me start investing in aligning myself with brands that you know, 0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.160 I like. So when I'm done, hopefully this is moving. Bro. 0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.120 The media came out of nowhere. I had no plans 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:33.920 and do a media zero, you know, because I just 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:38.680 there was as an athlete. There's a huge disconnect between uh, 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.640 media and and and athletes and and and it's almost 0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:44.280 like and it don't overthink this reference, but it's like, 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.680 you know, street people talking to two cops, like they 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:48.640 just we didn't like to talk to them. We talked. 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:50.440 There's a few they were cool that you would talk to, 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:52.960 but you never really wanted to have to because you 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:55.600 just there's always so many angles and and and you 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.520 know narratives that that that that can be spun so 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.640 media and ever once thought about I'm gonna get out 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.880 and do this. I'm gonna get out and never Um. 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:05.600 But luckily a friend of mine is just like, hey, 0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:08.000 you know you, you're always so well spoken in your interviews. 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:10.000 You should try it. I was like, I want to 0:31:10.080 --> 0:31:12.000 learn how to produce and direct and be behind the camera. 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:13.240 I don't want to be around it. I just don't 0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:16.720 want to be in front of it. Luckily I listened, 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:21.320 and um, it was cool. I'm just like obvious, just 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:23.080 shoot the ship and what do you like about it? 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:27.600 I just like that it wasn't the point of view 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:29.480 and and and don't take me wrong, because there are 0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:31.120 guys that haven't played they have a good point of view. 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:32.640 But I just like that I was able to give 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.920 like a in the locker room point of view on 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.400 the court point of view suspended from a game a 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.520 real game, lose the money point of view, you know 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:43.960 what I mean? Like I can give you that. And 0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.080 I think that's what fans appreciate because they really want 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:48.720 to know, like what is it really like? You know, 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:50.920 so you no matter how good Stephen A. Smith Is 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:53.560 or you can name another one. They can't really give you, 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.040 like what it's really like. They can explain what they 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:57.959 think it's like, but they can't give you what it's like. 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:01.400 So I knew that I can carve out lane that way. Um. 0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:04.480 I was getting positive feedback. And I think what really 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:06.719 helped me, Chris was just staying me, like, you need 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.720 you know me. I've always been me, Like every room 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:10.560 I walking on me. I'm not saying you do I 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.120 need to be today Da da dah, like I'm always me. 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:17.160 And I think that unapologetic realness um that I played 0:32:17.200 --> 0:32:21.800 with translated into this space in a different way. Um. 0:32:21.920 --> 0:32:24.440 So it just kind of took off. You know, I 0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:28.080 started doing Fox in ESPN and then ESPN locked me 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.520 in to a multi year deal and I just signed 0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:34.520 my second multi year deal with them. Um. But it's 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.840 just been cool man and and and from there, obviously 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.360 the podcast came. You know, Jack was in a similar 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:41.680 he didn't know what he you know, I knew what 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:43.160 I wanted to do, but he didn't really know where 0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:44.560 he was at with it and what was next. And 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.680 he didn't know that you know, speaking could you know 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.840 be as lucrative as has been, and you know, we're 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.120 both getting the same feedback. One day, we're at my 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:56.360 house in the Bay, um medicating and you know, I 0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:02.000 was just like, you've got to do something together, um 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.280 in this talking space because we're both really talking real 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.040 ship and he's like, I'm down. It's like, what do 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.000 you want to do. I was like, let's do a podcast. 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:09.680 He's like, what's the podcast? Like, I don't know, but 0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:12.200 I know we could cuss and we can smoke and 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.040 we can drink, like we could really be us because 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.880 you know, at Disney is ESPN and then Foxes. You know, 0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.560 he kind of have to walk that corporate line. But 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.160 you know, I just from the pot the few podcasts 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:26.080 I've seen, people are just really loose being themselves. So um, 0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.280 he left me with the business side. He's like, you know, 0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.240 I'm in, so if you get lined up, just let 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.680 me know. So I just started grinding, you know, lightning 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.680 in the bottle. A friend of a friend introduced me 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.680 to someone the showtime. I pitched them in the idea, 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:41.440 just pitched them no sizzle, no real, no no deck, 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:43.960 no nothing. I just told him what I wanted, which 0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:47.000 was just a relaxed, comfortable setting, like a man cave, 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:48.840 you know, like you've been over to the house and 0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.480 you know you've been lost in the sauce and just 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.600 having cameras on something like that, you know what I mean, 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.840 not like, hey, what did you think? Like we're kicking back, 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:58.160 you know, you're talking it, I'm talking, we're watching the 0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.960 game and then and that kind I felt like that 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.760 because we have around the world, there's so many great 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:07.720 conversations in those settings without cameras, whether you're professional or not, 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:11.520 they're just great conversation. So that's what I wanted to 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.480 bring to this world. And you know when I kept 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:17.040 telling people like, yeah, we're going to change the podcast, right, 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:19.080 there's so many podcasts. How can you change the game. 0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:21.279 And we came in and we did that, you know, 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.480 in our first year. We want Sports Podcast of the 0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:25.759 Year and I just keep you know, I really think 0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:27.520 we set them. Although we were the first, I think 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:30.440 we set the bar in this space. Um and I 0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:32.840 literally we just started season four and I told our team, 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:35.560 you know, coming into the season, like I feel like 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.919 we were still the barometer. But I feel like there's 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.120 people in the same room as us now. So we 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.400 gotta elevate. We gotta go to the next level, you know. 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:46.920 So now we're gonna you know, we did Clay Thompson 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.239 on his boat after practice, driving back to Tiberan, you know, 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:57.920 on the water rather vibes, you know, the vibes. And 0:34:57.920 --> 0:34:59.600 and Clay doesn't talk to nobody, you know what I mean, 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.000 play the shoes off, feed out dog on the couch, 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:04.640 and you know, talking about he had a little dying 0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:06.080 bag and just wanted to play rock band and the 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:08.319 police and pollment suck it up, you know what I mean. 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:12.799 And then man, we just had Will Smith on Monday. 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.160 Well yeah, and Will was so first we had to 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.839 go see his movie Emancipation, which was incredible. Uh. Then 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.160 we went interviewed the man and he laughed, he cried, 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.120 he talked ship, he was vulnerable, he was real, he 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:28.160 was transparent and it was just such a dope interview. 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:32.239 So what is it about y'all man that allows you 0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:35.880 guys to get that transparent, that realness out of your guests. 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:37.719 You guys get so much good. I think it's the 0:35:37.800 --> 0:35:39.880 environment that we create, you know what I mean. Like 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.600 if you come up to the set, like it's not stiff, 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:46.080 it's you know, we're smoking, there's food, we're drinking, we're laughing, 0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.759 we're having a good time. Like we just we want 0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:51.040 our our guests to feel comfortable enough to have a 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.080 good time, you know what I mean, and a little 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.160 green or you know, some wine or you know, your 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:58.799 your your choice of beverage. You know, everyone kind of 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.520 just exhales little bit. And then again what I mentioned 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.359 a second ago is just our realness, you know, I mean, 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.799 Jack and I are going to be ourselves regardless. So 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:07.919 you know, you should know coming into our set, we're 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.000 not trying to find no clickbait and we're not trying 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.320 to give people a platform to you know, sabotaze themselves 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.640 like we really want again a good kickback conversation. I 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:21.920 always take, you know, pride and humanizing our guests, you know, 0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.160 because we're fortunate enough because I played, I get a 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.399 chance to see the other side of these people and 0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.200 our fans don't. So how can I show our fans 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:31.920 the other side of our guests? So that's kind of 0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.600 my approach every time I go into it, and and 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.600 we've done a good job at that. When you run 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.680 into sort of the I won't say controversy, but it's 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.759 sort of like a little hiccup with that. He made 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.480 Doka situation earlier in the Celtics where you said something 0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.960 about it, you came out. I mean, what happened was 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.360 you know, I came out initially saying that, you know, 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:58.120 although it's not you know, adultery is not right, it's common, 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:03.600 not only in you know, professional front offices, but the world. 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:07.319 It happens. It's a normal thing. So again, I'm not 0:37:07.360 --> 0:37:09.640 condoning it, I'm not justifying it, and I'm definitely not 0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:12.040 criticizing it because I've committed it, you know what I mean. 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.080 So you know, all my mistakes are very well documented. 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:16.680 So I was just trying to say, it's just like 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:18.840 where I was coming from. Was the only reason I 0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:22.320 even spoke on it was because Robert Sarver the Phoenix 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.719 sun Ship, he got a one year suspension. So when 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.080 I heard that Emai got a one year suspension for 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:31.120 like what allegedly was going on, I'm just like, how 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:33.839 the fund is that fair? So that's why I came 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.359 out to his defense initially, Um I posted it, someone 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.160 close to the situation kind of told me it was 0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.200 a little bit more and then someone close to the 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.360 situation told me it was a little bit more. So 0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:46.560 I'm like, oh, Ship, let me backpedal a little bit. 0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.560 And I'm not about you know, I'm not That's what 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.839 I'm seeing that I'm not a backpedaler. Um, you know, 0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.960 So backpedal then and just apologize it. But you know 0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.040 what's funny was I got a lot of love, it 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:01.960 also a lot of hate. Oh now you're not supporting 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:03.880 our brother. Now you're this is and that, and you 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:05.400 need to tell us and this kind of stuff. And 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.800 it's just like I feel like too often in media 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.400 when people misspeak, it's just ship goes on instead of 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:12.880 being like, no, you know, maybe I was wrong. I 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.480 didn't have all the facts. You know, we gotta let this. 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:17.440 I think the one mistake I said is I think 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.880 something like it's a hundred times worse. Maybe that like 0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.440 threw people off, like, oh, but you know from what 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:27.000 I heard, it was just it was a lot deeper. Um. 0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:29.879 You know. Then then then then meets the eye and 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:32.279 and still a little bit deeper than actually come to light, 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.560 you know what I mean. So again, it's not I 0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.200 just felt like from the direction I took and it 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.960 was only because I didn't feel like from what the 0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.680 world the information we had at the time that email Judoka, 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:46.520 we're hearing, you know, an affair and what roberts Are 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:48.680 did were on the same level because they both initially 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.440 got the same suspension. So again, once I kind of 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:52.799 heard a little bit more, I was just like, all right, 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:55.080 let me just back up off this because you know, 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.359 this is no fun for no one. And again I'm 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.440 not judging in one because I've committed adultery, you know. 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:02.319 So it's just like, let me just back up out 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.799 this space and and and and let the information come 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:06.319 out as it will. Yeah, I was dope that you 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.719 fell on your sword. I thought, you know, again the 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.160 part of the evolution to Matt Barnes, you know, you're 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.560 just gonna come out on it and then move forward. 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.640 And that's what that's what I respect about you. Um, 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.960 the Robert Sarver situation, do you feel like the league 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.680 did the right thing by making him have to sell 0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:26.879 his team? And was it too little? Is it too little? 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:28.759 Too late? Give me some thought. No, it's not too 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:30.800 I mean because at the end it's not the league's fault, 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.319 you know, I mean, we have the Sterling situation. You know, 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:35.359 in the playoffs with Golden State. You know, we're trying 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:37.440 to be the young Hungry if people remember, we were 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.520 the last team to beat Golden State before they went 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.680 on that dynasty run. So we're dealing with a young 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.279 Hungry on the rise Golden State Warriors team and are 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:49.200 idiot owner gets caught you know on tape that was 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.160 doing ye that, Yeah, that's why it dropped during the playoffs. 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.319 We're actually making a show about it. They're filming right 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.880 now called The Sterling Affairs coming out on f X six. There. 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:02.040 It's dope and it's sick document this whole space. Um, 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:06.640 but the Starver situation again and when the when the 0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.080 Sterling ship hit, I'm like, he's not it was. It 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:10.920 wasn't a big deal to me from a standpoint of 0:40:11.040 --> 0:40:14.399 you know, racism is still alive. But I faced real 0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.640 racism in my life, you know, with my high school 0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:19.560 nearly being burned down and a green light being put 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.040 on my head and I had to move because they 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.799 were trying to kill me. So I faced like real 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:28.200 life racism. So when you hear older white men you know, 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.719 talk talk disrespectful talk racism, just like you know, fuck you. 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:33.560 But they're not the only one to think like that, 0:40:33.680 --> 0:40:35.560 and they're just the only ones dumb enough to get caught. 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:37.799 So in this situation is the same thing I've just 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.080 Starver's just always been an arrogant asshole to me, you know, 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:44.279 just always arrogant, thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:46.640 always needs to be a center, to be the center 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.799 of attention. I just never really funk with that. So 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.239 I didn't have any racial incidence with him, because he 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.680 probably knew not to play that around me. Um. I 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:56.319 did have an incident with him, and I said it 0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:59.560 on the Sharp podcast not too long ago, but we 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.640 had a him out there one time after I had left, 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:03.880 and I was going back and forth with like a 0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.360 young teenage kid and his dad. But it was like 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:08.239 a fundly like talk trash back and forth. There wasn't 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.279 no disrespect, no hate. And we're at the free throw 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.239 line and I hear someone say, stop sucking talking to 0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.080 my fans, or don't fucking talk to my fans. So 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.120 who is talking? I turned around. It was him in 0:41:18.160 --> 0:41:19.920 the corner with his wife, and I looked at it. 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.120 I'll come smack the ship out of you in front 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.239 of your wife say something else like tightened up real quick, 0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.120 and I just ran back down the court and he 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:30.040 told on me and I got fined. How much you 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:33.279 get for talking to the owner like that? But the 0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:35.319 owner was but the owner talking to me like so, 0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:37.520 how did they vet that out? What was the investigation? 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:40.879 It was me? It was It wasn't even an investigation 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:42.960 to me. How can the owner cussing me and I 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:48.440 cussed back and get fined? That's wild? Crazy? Um so again, 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.680 never had no racism ship with him personally, just asshole 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.799 didn't like him, and which is who cares? You can 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:55.160 still be an owner with that. But then you know, 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.360 our brother, Earl Watson had his running with Sarvereign and 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.320 the ship. The Earl told me, I'm just like really 0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:04.239 like really that was crazy. I never really talked about it, 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:06.399 but I kind of set behind the scenes knowing what 0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:12.000 that dude was. Wild wild. He's luckily he hasn't got 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:16.320 sucked up. Honestly, violence is never, but but sometimes it is. 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.600 I mean, that's my famous quote, but sometimes it is. 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.520 They put that meme on whenever I twitted, they put 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:27.480 your so I mean again, we really you don't want 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:29.480 to see it ever go that far in our older 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.320 ages now, but I'm not younger age. We're okay with that, um. 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:34.160 But you just knew there was a matter of time. 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.480 You hear Earl's incident, and you hear other incidents, it's 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.040 only a matter of time before you know, people are 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:41.560 just going to start being like, Okay, hey, this is 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.000 who this guy is, and all to cover up him 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.120 and his wife tried to do was bullshit. You know, 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:49.520 some people might lie, but that many people aren't lying, 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.120 you know what I mean. So again, you can't blame 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.000 the NBA for having people like this. There's still more 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:57.520 in the NBA, can I guarantee it? There's still more, 0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:59.919 and not only than the NBA and MLB and foot 0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:03.680 Old and probably even more. Um. But again, when it when, when, 0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:06.400 when it finally showed itself, you have to be stern 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.239 and you have to know pun intenda. You have to, 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:11.799 you know, make a stance that there's no room in 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.000 our game. There's really no room in the world, but 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:19.320 particularly professional sports for racism. So you know, I initially 0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:22.360 thought that the fine and the one you're suspension was bullshit, 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:25.120 But you know, I knew that people are gonna start 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.799 speaking enough like me. They were saying, you know, this 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.000 is bullshit. And you know, the bigger guys start speaking. 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.800 When le Broun and then starts speaking, that's when ship happens, 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:35.960 you know what I mean. And then sponsors start pulling out, 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:40.240 that's when ship happened. So, you know, luckily, he you know, thankfully, 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.520 he made the decision that he should sell the team. 0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:45.719 So you know, so he made a mistake, and he's 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:48.400 made several mistakes, but at the same time, he's you know, 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:50.560 it's don't feel bad for him for people like, oh, 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.640 this is not enough. He's you know, he's thirty ner 0:43:52.680 --> 0:43:54.279 of that team. So that team sells for a couple 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.240 of billion. He's, you know, he's he's gonna eat. Fox 0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.400 Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.640 Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.680 com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f 0:44:07.000 --> 0:44:09.480 s R to listen live. But I think that one 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.560 of the bigger things, like racism is definitely issue pro sports. 0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.080 But I think misogyny is a huge, huge epidemic in 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.360 pro sports. We see Daniel Snyder, the owner of the 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.600 Washington Commanders, now coming out of under fire, Jerry Jones 0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.160 and wishing weeks on the NFL side of things has 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.719 been under fire. Um do you do you think that 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:33.560 the misogynistic sort of foundation that pro sports is where 0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:36.520 they act that way or actively, you think that's ever 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:40.000 gonna change? And how can it change? I do, because 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:42.000 I mean it's it's probably been going on for a 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:43.920 long time and never spoken on, and now now at 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.120 least a conversation. And remember back in the day when 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.080 we wanted we'd legalized, it was a long way, but 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.279 then they started talking about it. It was deep and 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:52.920 the next thing you know, it's here. You know. So 0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:55.319 when things are finally that that we know and not 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:58.040 again and not only in professional sports, but just these 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:02.120 boardrooms around the world, when it starts getting talked about, 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.800 it's coming. You know. That means I think more change 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:07.879 is on the way. Will we be able to see 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.640 it in our lifetime, I'm not sure, but it's definitely 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.640 changing now because it's just a more righteous country or 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:16.640 we try to be, you know, just a more wrong 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:20.680 is wrong. Finally in some cases we're getting here. Yeah, 0:45:21.000 --> 0:45:23.799 So to me, it's starting to change. So um, and 0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:25.440 I say the same thing with the racism you know 0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.640 what I mean. I think there's just a certain standard 0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:33.160 of these seventy plus old you know, oil billionaires, are 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.319 real estate billionaires that are team owners, and that's just 0:45:35.400 --> 0:45:37.520 kind of the life they've lived. A nigger will slip 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.520 out here and there, nigger this nigger, you know, and 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:41.640 that's just kind of the way. That's the way they 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:45.439 talk normally privately, but sometimes it's slipping out. But I think, 0:45:45.480 --> 0:45:48.520 you know, once they you know, pass on from our 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.440 game and in in just everyone's game in general. I 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:55.279 think these next you know, new wave of CEOs and 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:57.880 owners are just understanding more of what our culture is about. 0:45:57.960 --> 0:45:59.920 And that's not to say that some young racist is 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.279 gonna slip in, but I think overall, look that people 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:04.880 just starting to understand. Man, there's just we're all here together, 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.120 and uh, you know, black and brown people have been 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.080 called minority for so long, but we're actually the majority now. 0:46:11.239 --> 0:46:13.080 You know, they try to use the word minority to 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.000 keep us in our place, but we're really the mind. Uh, 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.360 we're really the majority. So just kind of having to 0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.840 understand how the world is now. I think, you know, eventually, 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.160 to answer your question, I think eventually it will change 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:25.120 and it is changing. I just don't know how soon 0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.440 we'll see it. Why do you think more hasn't been 0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.080 done to get Britney Grinder out of jail? Oh man, 0:46:30.120 --> 0:46:32.799 it's unfortunate. Me my girl actually talking about it last night. 0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:35.120 I mean, that's it's bad man, because cartridge, when you 0:46:35.160 --> 0:46:38.120 think about it, it's a cartridge. It's not even actual flower. 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.040 There's no like real weed being found. But I think 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.480 it's timing. I think time, you know, Chris, every timing 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:45.319 is everything. And I think she got caught in the 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:49.319 middle of a war with Ukraine, UH and Russia, and 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:52.960 then you know, the the United States giving Ukraine money. Oh, 0:46:53.000 --> 0:46:55.480 when we have one of your NBA female stars or 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:57.600 w give me w n b A stars over here, 0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.680 you know we're gonna make an example. Unfortunately, I think 0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.200 they're trying to make an example out of her. Um. 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:08.040 You know she just heard her bail denied the other day. Um. Yeah, 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.759 She's like, I got a nine year sentence. So I 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:15.520 think I'm praying that, you know, the president and someone 0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.640 can really make something happen. But I think this might 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.640 be a situation where I don't think that she They 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.720 say something like she's close to eight years left because 0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.399 you know, time served. Yeah, but I think that she's 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.640 and I hope I'm wrong on a couple of different levels, 0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:29.239 but I think she's gonna probably do a couple of 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:34.960 years and then they're gonna freer. That's crazy because honestly, man, 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:36.839 I really feel like this is unfair because if this 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:40.719 was a male professional athlete, any one, right, this would 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.160 not happen. Right, it would have been swift. You know, 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.600 calls would have been made, Folks would have been on red, 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:47.839 you know, that bad phone talking to Putin and then 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.600 that dude's out of here. So but Brittany now has 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:52.960 to pay the price right for the timing of everything. 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.279 And I appreciate the people that is using their platforms 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.440 to try to try to whatever. You know, and it's 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.439 using your platform if you look at it, although it's 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:04.440 it's it's it's a it's a it's a gesture. And 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:06.600 we do love and and and we we hope she's 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:08.640 safe and and and sending love out to our family 0:48:08.640 --> 0:48:11.600 doesn't really it doesn't really do anything, which is which 0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:13.640 is messed up. I wish there was more tangible things 0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:16.360 that that people can do to to really help. But 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:18.480 you know, right now, we're kind of at the mercy 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:22.040 of their their judicial system and and and their president 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:26.000 and how they see holding her fit, which is unbelievable. 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.719 So yeah, Man, I just definitely pray for her, pray 0:48:28.760 --> 0:48:32.000 for her family, her loved ones, and you know, she's 0:48:32.040 --> 0:48:34.000 just an example. There's a lot of people around the 0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:36.359 world that are in similar situations. You know, she's just 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.799 happens to have some fame and money behind her name, 0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:40.840 so that's why it's it's so front and center, not 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:42.520 that it doesn't deserve to be, but there's a lot 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:45.719 of people in similar situations. So it's just like it 0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:49.560 just kind of just shows how crazy this world can be. Man, 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:53.319 I have a story from my time overseas. Um and 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:57.279 Risk I took doing something similar as pretty Grinder. I 0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.960 was in Malaysia Man playing in the Damn Asian champion 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.520 Ship in two thousand and one. Uh, you know, I 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:05.520 got Stas Boseman out there with me. We're playing against Jr. 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:08.160 And Sam got in the final. But you know, I 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.160 needed some weed. I need to smoke that week, and 0:49:10.200 --> 0:49:12.520 you know here in Malaysia, Kuala Lumplu or whole in 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.840 other country. So I ended up going to find it 0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:16.919 and everything like that, right, So I find it out 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.360 there and freaking Malaysia, which you could have gotten in jail. 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:21.359 First of all. So I'm smoking in my hotel room 0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:24.000 with stays in the hotel and stays and in the 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:29.240 bathroom or in Damad in my bedroom, so just toweling 0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:31.319 the door must have been playing really well at the time. 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:36.640 Thirty six or better didn't matter. I was feeling investable, right, 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.600 So look, we got all this, we got all this 0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:42.319 stuff in Malaysia. We win the championship. I take you'll 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.440 beat him? We beat him? Would you get six? Eight 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:48.920 and eight in the final? Sham God was guarding me. Uh, 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:50.640 you know, he was just guarding sham guys. He was 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.040 you know, he was doing all the defensive stuff and 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.040 he's just letting me just get off. So that was beautiful. 0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:58.640 So I ended up taking the stuff back to Qatar. 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.560 Now you know, that's like, it's worse than taking some 0:50:01.560 --> 0:50:04.879 stuff back to real bro. But just to show you 0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:08.000 why where my mindset was and how people just you know, 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.120 I read a lot of comments on Twitter about how 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:12.200 could she even think to do something like that? Trust me, 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.240 when you're at a certain status at a certain place 0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.200 in this in basketball, and you're overseas and you gotta 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.399 feel like you need something to make your body, your bone, 0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:22.479 something that you have used for a while that help 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:29.239 you play well. Okay, yeah, your mental state. Come on, 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.920 my mental state, bro, I'm risking all that for that. 0:50:33.040 --> 0:50:34.920 I think about that story. I've never told that story 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:36.880 to anyone, but I think about that when I've been 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.800 thinking about that since Brittany, Like, damn, thank god that 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:41.400 I made it out, because if I would have got 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.600 busted with that, bro, it would have been it would 0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.360 have been bad. Yeah. I was, you know, I was. 0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:48.120 I was taking those chances on vacation. Yeah. I didn't 0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:49.840 even need it to play or anything like that. I 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.399 just felt like I needed it, Like if I'm gonna 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:53.120 go on vacation with this thing, I'm going over the 0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:54.920 water is like I need it, you know what I mean. 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:56.400 It just is what it is because to me, you know, 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.040 I'm not a big drinker. I definitely don't pop pills. 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.200 It's just what I feel, like, Mike, Mike, I said, 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.719 it is. That's my medicine. And and the fact that 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:07.840 for a cartridge, she may have to spend years in 0:51:08.040 --> 0:51:12.520 jail is is and we definitely not condone smuggling marijuana, 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:17.359 not over international waters, something that the crime definitely doesn't 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.200 match the punishment by any means, nor it doesn't. Man 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:22.680 One more thing for your brother before you go, I 0:51:22.719 --> 0:51:25.719 just want you to give some advice. You've just your 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:30.120 second act, if you will, from business to media coaching. 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:35.279 How did you or how do you stay locked in 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:38.239 and how did you have the vision to kind of, 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.160 you know, know, where you wanted to go with your 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.440 career active basketball. I didn't, like I said, I invested 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:46.160 because I thought, you know, I was going to be 0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:48.600 a cannabis owner and I just thought I would have 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.560 a few other businesses. Um, but you're still gonna do cannaby. Yeah, 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:53.200 I'm still in it. I'm just not as heavy anymore 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:55.200 because like media is kind of so that kind of 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:58.879 works for itself. Um. The media stuff is really media 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.319 and content creation that have been number one. And Chris, 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:05.120 I just say, it's it's it's cool, it's it's it's 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:06.840 I love doing it, you know what I mean? Like that, 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.279 I got the luckiest, luckiest job in the world to 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:11.799 play you know, professional basketball for fifteen years and get 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.120 paid for it and now you know, I get to 0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.799 still talk about it and create and create content around it, 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:20.920 and that that ship is fun and you know, for 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:26.000 to be ESPN and Showtime and NBC Bay Area because 0:52:26.000 --> 0:52:28.399 I worked for the Kings and Baller Vision, because I'm 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.960 working for the Clippers, that the bombership he's doing. I'm 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.239 doing color commentary for Ote, you know what I mean. 0:52:34.320 --> 0:52:37.000 So all these people, you know, want to pay me 0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:39.759 to talk about basketball, and it's it's good pay, you 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.919 know what I mean. So it's just like ship, it's 0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:44.680 a lot it's it's you know, I don't like that 0:52:44.719 --> 0:52:47.399 I have to travel a lot um. I'm missing time 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.319 with my kids. But at the same time, it's just 0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:51.880 like you know, used to just like you kind of 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:54.440 have to strike. Why the iron is hot. The iron 0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.600 is hot right now more doors continue to open, man. 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.640 So I just you know, I continue to stay real 0:52:58.719 --> 0:53:03.600 and authentic in me know, and be transparent. I funked 0:53:03.680 --> 0:53:05.600 up on the Odoka thing. I apologize you know a 0:53:05.640 --> 0:53:08.120 lot about but a lot of people respected that. The 0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:10.560 people who needed to respected their respected, you know, which 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.160 means which continues to make me okay, like he is 0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:16.680 really So it's just like, continue to be me, continue 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:19.120 to be gracious, continue to be thankful. You know, we 0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:22.040 were talking about the other day. I was at Better 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.880 Paint and said, with a guy named Ron Everley's name 0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.239 goes by Boss, he's Kevin Hart's trainer's my training and 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:30.520 uh we did his little penicipit his crib and that 0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:32.719 he was telling a story to a bunch of guys 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.720 in the circle. Then when he met me in two 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:37.960 thousand seventeen, after I won a championship at a big 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.360 old house on Dohini for the summer, and this is 0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:41.799 my first time I'd always seen him, so I hit 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:42.880 him up and I was like, I want you to 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:44.759 train me and probably can play. You know, another year 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:46.799 two I decided to retire, but he was telling a story, 0:53:46.840 --> 0:53:49.279 how I guess. One day we were working out, and 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:51.760 the one thing I told him is just like shake 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.319 hands would be cool with everyone because you never know 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.080 who is who, you know what I mean, like and 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.000 especially I tried to do that because I think there 0:53:57.080 --> 0:53:59.239 was such a misconception that I was a thug or 0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.680 bad guy or dumb or any of that kind of ship. 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:06.160 So I just I go out of my way to 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:09.520 be cool. With people, and you never know where that's 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:11.080 going to lead you. It could lead you nowhere, it 0:54:11.080 --> 0:54:13.319 could lead you everywhere. And it's it's led me to 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.960 a lot of different places now because you know, I 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:18.640 played a long time in the n b A. I 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:20.360 went to U C. L A and and and and 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:24.839 and I'm you know, I'm touchable from you know, So 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.640 I just I like to be out and about and 0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:31.760 and in in good rooms and communicate with people and 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:34.640 and see, if you know, friendships or business come from it. 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:37.799 And you know, that's kind of been my recipe. Um. 0:54:37.880 --> 0:54:39.680 And then you know, obviously when you get these opportunities, 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:41.480 you got to continue to grind, you know, kick these 0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:43.840 doors in. You know what I mean. It's I got ESPN, 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:45.320 so I gotta study the whole league. And then I 0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:46.920 got the King, so I gotta study the Kings. Then 0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:48.640 I gotta study the Clippers, and now I gotta learn 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:52.200 all these little young O t E kids. So the 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:54.759 twins are go. My twins are gonna school me on 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:56.440 that because I don't have time to watch them, and 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:58.000 now I'm getting paid to do it, so I need 0:54:58.040 --> 0:54:59.440 to know it. So it's just like you know, it's 0:54:59.480 --> 0:55:03.279 still work but it's fun work and it's you know, 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:06.319 it could be a lot worse type ship. So and 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:08.279 that's why I just continue to grind and hopefully I 0:55:08.360 --> 0:55:11.480 motivate people from a standpoint of I was a journeyman 0:55:11.600 --> 0:55:13.520 role player, you know what I mean. Like you see 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:16.319 guys that move into media that that that have these 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.680 kind of careers are like all stars or Hall of 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:21.120 Famers and all that ship. And I'm not so to me, 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.800 I think that shows other guys it's more attainable. Like literally, 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:25.920 anybody could do it. You just gotta be good at it. 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:27.920 You gotta know how to you know, work your rooms 0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:30.600 and talk your ship and shake your hands and you 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:33.160 know anything, it's possible. Man. So I just want to 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:36.680 continue to motivate and elevate myself and elevate everything that 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:39.680 I touch and see where it goes. Man, you're doing 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:42.120 the hell of a job, brother, Keep doing what you're doing. 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:44.800 We love the show, Love you on ESPM man, and 0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:50.560 we're looking out for the Isaiah Carter business of basketball. 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:54.120 They're coming, ladies and gentlemen. Matt Barnes