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Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson, and Chris is

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Speaker 1: having conversations with influencers in the sports world and entertainment

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Speaker 1: in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are now

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Speaker 1: tuned in to kJ Live. I'm your host, Chris Johnson,

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Speaker 1: today's guest on the show. Played in the NBA fifteen seasons,

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Speaker 1: winning a NBA Championship as a member of the Golden

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Speaker 1: State Warriors in two thousand seventeen. Since retiring, this former

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Speaker 1: u C. L. A. Bruin has carved a night's niche

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Speaker 1: in the sports media space, covering the NBA for ESPN

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Speaker 1: and as co host of the award winning podcast All

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Speaker 1: the Smoke. Please welcome Matt Barnes to kJ live. What's up, man,

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Speaker 1: and Chris? What are you going to speak with that

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Speaker 1: serious intro voice the whole conversation? Yeah, you know that's

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Speaker 1: my sick voice. You know I had to give him

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Speaker 1: that song. Well, you know, you gotta keep the listener

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Speaker 1: as soon as they if they hear a weird old voice,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be I'm out, man. You gave them what

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Speaker 1: they're looking for. Man, you're you're already on my hand man,

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Speaker 1: And like we go back and forth with the light

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Speaker 1: skinning thing all the time, bro, And that's something that

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Speaker 1: I'm og light skin and I get it all the time.

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Speaker 1: The other day, Clay Thompson deep book Ye that light skin,

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Speaker 1: light skin, light skin. What did you make of that

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Speaker 1: little nothing beef or whatever you want another? I like it,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't seen that out of Clay. You know,

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Speaker 1: ironically enough, we had just interviewed play the week before,

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Speaker 1: so maybe you know some of all the smoke rubbed

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Speaker 1: off on them, But you know, I love it. You know,

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Speaker 1: Devin Booker is one of the top two guards in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Clay has a Hall of Fame career, and

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Speaker 1: you know he's trying to come back from two tough

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Speaker 1: injuries to kind of get back in that top two

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Speaker 1: guarden conversation. So I mean, I think I think it's dope.

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Speaker 1: You know, two really good teams that should probably see

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Speaker 1: each other, you know, late in the season in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And when you played in the league, Matt you you know,

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Speaker 1: you were tough, you were hard nosed, developed the reputation

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Speaker 1: as a guy that didn't take no ship. Um, do

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Speaker 1: you think today's NBA versus the time that you played

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Speaker 1: in the league. Do you think it's soft now or

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Speaker 1: how would you characterize I think it's just different. I

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Speaker 1: think it's different. Um, I wouldn't say soft, it's just

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Speaker 1: it's it's transitioned into a different direction. Uh, it's more

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Speaker 1: about scoring and scoring and scoring and highlights. Um. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, that's the same thing that continues

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Speaker 1: to make the game grow. You know. I broke it

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Speaker 1: down to someone too. You know, I miss when you

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Speaker 1: to be before. And I'm just like you know, this

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Speaker 1: is a culture of headline reading and quick edits so

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Speaker 1: when you see highlights, you want to see step shooting

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Speaker 1: from damn near half. You want to see someone dunk,

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Speaker 1: and you want to see more excitement. So the old

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Speaker 1: you know, the days of the defensive games. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think we're gone. And although I was, I was

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Speaker 1: a defensive type player, I don't mind it. There's something

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Speaker 1: from our athletes. We see it in all sports, right,

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Speaker 1: Baseball you have celebrations now dudes are just going crazy

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Speaker 1: and bat flipping. Football you have the situation where you

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Speaker 1: can't touch the quarterback. Things are really light rough in

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Speaker 1: the pastors called nearly every single play and then basketball, right,

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Speaker 1: you have the situation, the hands off and all that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the entertainmentization of professional sports is

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Speaker 1: the move do you do? You mean, do you feel

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Speaker 1: like because there's a lot of purest out there, Man,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, I just don't want it

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Speaker 1: of what the NBA is heading towards. They dance on

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Speaker 1: it's always gonna be a youth movement pushing it. So,

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Speaker 1: But when it didn't matter. You know how close you

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Speaker 1: But I don't mind what this new age is bringing. No.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love today's NBA. I love the

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Speaker 1: that way. As I've gotten older, Matt and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: how and Draymond talked about in this podcast. Now you

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Speaker 1: know he's he's how his effects everyone. George's got to

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Speaker 1: not really caring about just empathizing with that. There was

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Speaker 1: what's happening with the Lakers and and how can they

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Speaker 1: fix that situation or can it be fixed? Marks? It's unfortunate,

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Speaker 1: I've always been a fan of him, whether I'm playing

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Speaker 1: Who's the blame? I don't know if he could be fixed. Um.

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Speaker 1: he's always been one of the most mentally strong players

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Speaker 1: we've ever seen. Nothing's ever bothered Russ. But I can

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Speaker 1: there's so much of it. They've attacked his family, the

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Speaker 1: but you know, disrespect think the person. And I'm never

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Speaker 1: you know, send him home. I'm going to send him

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Speaker 1: And we talked about this the other day with Rachel

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Speaker 1: is gonna come off the books, they have a max

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Speaker 1: make a move during the season. I never understood why

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Speaker 1: the Buddy Healed and Miles Turner trade didn't get because

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Speaker 1: funny as a motherfucker. But that I remember when we

427
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 1: went in there because me and Cope talked the night

428
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 1: before just about what this like, What do they like,

429
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: what do they like to do? What's their games like?

430
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: And we were talking and when we got in there,

431
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 1: he's like, where you guys want to go to school?

432
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: And in Unison? So we're going to U C. L

433
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 1: A and clubs like not to play basketball, And they're

434
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 1: like the fuck. They're like, you know, your dad said

435
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 1: all you want to do is play video games. He's like,

436
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,760
Speaker 1: do you guys, do you guys work on your games?

437
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: And they look at each other. No. He's like, all right,

438
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: well you guys can go there because you're gonna be smart,

439
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna play basketball. And I kind of

440
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 1: like sucked him up a little bit and he put

441
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,399
Speaker 1: them through a tough workout and it kind of to

442
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: me it turned the lightbulb on, but it wasn't all

443
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 1: the way on. So, you know, over the next their

444
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 1: thirteen now, so over the next maybe a year, they

445
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: would you know, have days where they it was just me,

446
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 1: and they would have days that they want to do it.

447
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 1: We'll go out and you know, go go out in

448
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 1: the backyard and shoot and get a good work out in.

449
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 1: But it wasn't consistent. So I still wasn't going to

450
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 1: push them. But then as they continue to get older

451
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: and they see their friends getting better, they're like, okay, Dad,

452
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Speaker 1: we're ready to start working out. So that probably happened

453
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,160
Speaker 1: at about they'll be fourteen in November, so that probably

454
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 1: happened maybe a year ago that they wanted to start

455
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 1: getting serious. So I found Chris Johnson and and just

456
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 1: hoop and he, to me, he's one of the best

457
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,560
Speaker 1: trainers of explaining the game to these kids I've ever

458
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 1: seen um and I can just see their game improve

459
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, the one thing they can do

460
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 1: is shoot the ball, which which is needed, but they

461
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: shoot the ship out of the ball, which I love.

462
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Speaker 1: So to me, they have a high i Q. They

463
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Speaker 1: naturally shoot the ball. So now to me is where

464
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 1: now we can learn the skill, because you can always

465
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Speaker 1: learn the skill, but shooting is something you have to have,

466
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Speaker 1: and to me, the i Q is something that's very important.

467
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Speaker 1: So they have those two things and now they're just

468
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Speaker 1: adding the skill to it, um, which is great. So

469
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Speaker 1: it's it's good. It's it's a fun journey to watch

470
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Speaker 1: now because they want it. It's not about me, but

471
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: obviously you know now that they want it, I'm going

472
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Speaker 1: to give them every opportunity and resource to have. You know,

473
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: they also trained in boxing, so you know they're starting

474
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Speaker 1: to get their cardio right in their hands right because

475
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: you know they're going to get pushed as light skinned,

476
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: curly hair boys like we did. And our hands are

477
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: always ready, but they're not gonna grow up like we

478
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: grew up. So I got to make sure that you know,

479
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: their hands are ready and and and overall just a

480
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 1: good cardio work. So you know, now the journey starts

481
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: and it's um, it's dope. Like I said, it's it's

482
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Speaker 1: really joyful being able to see your kids fall in

483
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Speaker 1: love with something and then you start seeing their improvement.

484
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and I'm giving them the

485
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 1: the the ins and outs and the integral sides of

486
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Speaker 1: the game. So we'll have to see what happens. But

487
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488
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491
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 1: than seeing your child discover their passion and then you know,

492
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Speaker 1: go after it and chase it without you having to

493
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: tell them or wake them up in the morning, like

494
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: they're getting up before you and just already at it.

495
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Speaker 1: I know, we remember what Will man, Yeah, the journey

496
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: when he was you know, when it was to when

497
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: the whole organ stuff was coming about, and kind of

498
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: how nervous as a father you were and what that

499
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Speaker 1: was like, you know what I mean, Like that's a dream,

500
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Speaker 1: Like I hope it. You know, I'm in your shoes

501
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: one day when it comes to that and and just

502
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: kind of get to experience that because I like, I'm

503
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 1: loving it. At thirteen, I couldn't imagine, like, Okay, they've

504
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: always want to go do you see oh ship? You

505
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: see this an opportunity now, like, yeah, let's go get

506
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 1: this ship. Hey, hey, yea. One of the things that

507
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: an obstacle for the young athletes today is sort of

508
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: this social media versus reality situation, right because you know,

509
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: you see something on social media, you might think a

510
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: guy because the video has a million hits and you

511
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: you're automatically think this guy is legit. Um they make you.

512
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: Social media sometimes make you feel lesser than what you

513
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: truly are. I mean, there's a lot of self esteem issues.

514
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: How do you protect your kids or school your kids

515
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Speaker 1: on how to handle social media. I know they're active,

516
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: they have a podcast, so how do you handle that?

517
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: Bar just talk to them, you know, And I waited, um,

518
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, they just started getting excuse me active on

519
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: the social platforms maybe about right before they turn twelve,

520
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: because I just knew what kind of dangerous negative area

521
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: that is. You know, it's it's beneficial if if it's

522
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: used right, and there are people that use it the

523
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: right way. But you know, we just live in a

524
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: generation of just negativity and hate, which is which is crazy.

525
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: You don't want, Yeah, you don't want that at a

526
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Speaker 1: young age. For like you said, those kids, you know,

527
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: or some adults you know, justify their their their their

528
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: value by likes and comments, you know, So I just

529
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Speaker 1: want them to understand that it it really is almost

530
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: two different worlds. Enjoy it, but enjoy it like a

531
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: video game, like you gotta come back to life, You

532
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: gotta do your homework, You still gotta go to bed

533
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: at nine thirty, Like there's real life ship going on,

534
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: Like you still gotta work on your game. But just

535
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: understand that people are going to come for you, um,

536
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: you know, especially because you first of all, because you

537
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: know you're my kids. Um. Second, because you know you're

538
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: pretty decent in basketball. And third is because you know

539
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about business in life around here, you know

540
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: what I mean. So they have a successful podcast and

541
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: they're starting to do other ship outside of just being

542
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, student athletes. So there's gonna be some there's

543
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna be love to with that and negativity that comes

544
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: with that. So just really just trying to spoon feed

545
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: them real life game because real life is happening to

546
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: them now. And the earlier you get the real life game,

547
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, the shell shock of it all, it's like

548
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: the better you're gonna be off just prepared, yeah yeah,

549
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: and now and speaking them as young businessmen and you know,

550
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: they have a social media presence. And are you thinking

551
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: about N I L and are you going to have

552
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: them balance both? Yes, I'm definitely gonna have them balanced both.

553
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: I haven't really thought about n I L because at

554
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's just gonna. It's far away.

555
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just a new thing that we

556
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: have to think about. It just gonna. It's you know,

557
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: if if they do everything they're supposed to do, in

558
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: I L will be an option for them, you know

559
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: what I mean. So we can't shortcut the process. We

560
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: have to understand that. You know, that's the goal, but

561
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: that's not the only goal, you know, are you know

562
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: the goal is to get to college. You know, if

563
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: you get to college at a higher school, most likely

564
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Speaker 1: you're gonna you know that N I L stuff willcome.

565
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: But you know, if their goal is to make it

566
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: like that, this is great. But let's remember why we're

567
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: here and and and you know, keep our foot on

568
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: the gas. So um, I think it's cool. Uh, you know,

569
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: I wish we had it. I remember being on campus

570
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: and you know, I had a cool little car in

571
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: an apartment. But you know, maybe fifteen hundred on a

572
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: good day when you know when I would when I

573
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: would be blessed, But I couldn't imagine having a couple

574
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: of hundred thousand in Westwood because we might not have

575
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: made it out. You know, we would have fun, well

576
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 1: we talked about this. With more money, more problems, man,

577
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: we would have fun. But like you you think about

578
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: you know, there's NBA guys the first handful of years

579
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: or even vets that blow their money, you know what

580
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean. So you're imagine you're getting these seventeen year

581
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: old kids, eighteen old kids, um all this money, and

582
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: you know when you go to these major programs, you're

583
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Speaker 1: the man on campus. You know, you go to these

584
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: big programs like at U c l A. We would

585
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, we were the ship, you know what I mean.

586
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: So to having all this money and you're making more

587
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: money than the coach sometimes and to me, I'm just

588
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: gonna want like our kids gonna lose the hunger? Can

589
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: they stay focused? Can they you know, stacking bricks like

590
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna like our Bordek says, are they going to

591
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: continue to stack bricks? Because they are having not only

592
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Speaker 1: success and recognition, but now money at a young age.

593
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Speaker 1: So that's the most good part though, that keeping that motivation,

594
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: that hunger because when you because the reason you're doing

595
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: it is to be paid to be able to take

596
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: care of people and have resources to be able to

597
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: enjoy your life. So once you achieve that, how do

598
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: you keep the hunger? I mean advice to you to

599
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: these young because a lot of high school athletes or

600
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: listen to this will remember why you're being paid, Like

601
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: I don't think you can never forget that. Then that

602
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: goes for you know, this level of sports and and

603
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: and even in the league, like you can if there's

604
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: so many pitfalls now and social media is such a

605
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: prevalent thing in society that you get, like I said,

606
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: you get caught up and think that that's real life sometimes,

607
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: so you know, look at that like a video game.

608
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: But remember like you're getting these people are looking at

609
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: you and loving you and hating on you, and you're

610
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: getting this bread because you're doing something well. So you

611
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 1: have to continue to do that well and elevate and

612
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: keep pushing yourself because if you don't, if you stay stagnant,

613
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: all that ship disappear and they don't care about you.

614
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: Do you think the game is in a better place?

615
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: College basketball. You think it's in a better place than

616
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: we played because and abandoned, fought for what these kids

617
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: have now are one of our o G So okay,

618
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: So my point and when I asked you this is

619
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: do you think that the game is in a good

620
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: spot as far as doing right by the college athlete?

621
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I think NILS is a great idea. But

622
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: at the same time, the n C Double A is

623
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: not the one giving up this money. You know, they're

624
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: the most corrupt organization, one of the most corrupt organizations

625
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: out there, you know, So all those kids are getting

626
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: money that has nothing to do with the n C

627
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: Double A giving it to them, you know. So I

628
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: don't know if I would say the game isn't a

629
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: good spot because you know, these days, college is almost

630
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: frowned upon, like, oh, you gotta go to college. You're

631
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: not that nice, right, you know what I mean? We

632
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: had a black I mean, I wouldn't trade college for nothing.

633
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, I was in that four. If I could

634
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: have stayed longer, I would have. You know, I had

635
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: a great time in college. But now if you stay

636
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: to your junior senior year, like they're like, oh, do

637
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: you have enough game? And then there's so many other

638
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: avenues now. You know, I'm working for o T. You know,

639
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: that's an avenue now where kids to go, you know,

640
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: if they don't want to go to college, there there's

641
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: other avenues. So I wouldn't say it's in a better place.

642
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's fine, But I think the

643
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: competition back when we played was really because no matter

644
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: how good you were, normally you stayed at least three

645
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: or four years, you know, so it just it was consistent.

646
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: You would see guys grow right in front of you,

647
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: and teams would be better because they had more chemistry.

648
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: Guys weren't just in and out, one and done. So, Um,

649
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: you know to me that everyone's goal is to get

650
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: to the league, so if they can, you know, mainstream.

651
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not mad at it, but I really personally

652
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: enjoy college. Absolutely did. The time is our life? You

653
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: mean you did too? You had a really good time.

654
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Do we have to read that up right now? It's

655
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: well documented how much fun I had in college. I

656
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade it for the world. Um, let's talk a

657
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: little bit about what you're doing now. Just you know,

658
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: you've carved out this role in media where you're doing well,

659
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: are all over the place. I see you all over

660
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: the place and have a major league pod. How did

661
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: you start setting yourself up for the career after the

662
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: game doing while you were pro or in college? Is

663
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: this something that you started talk to me about when

664
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: you started to want to go down that route? I wanted,

665
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, I started thinking about transition. I played to

666
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: lot of thirty seven. I started thinking about transitioning at

667
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: about thirty two. You know, just like, Okay, who knows

668
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: how much longer to be playing? Um, you know, let

669
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: me start investing in aligning myself with brands that you know,

670
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: I like. So when I'm done, hopefully this is moving. Bro.

671
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: The media came out of nowhere. I had no plans

672
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: and do a media zero, you know, because I just

673
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: there was as an athlete. There's a huge disconnect between uh,

674
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: media and and and athletes and and and it's almost

675
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: like and it don't overthink this reference, but it's like,

676
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, street people talking to two cops, like they

677
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: just we didn't like to talk to them. We talked.

678
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: There's a few they were cool that you would talk to,

679
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: but you never really wanted to have to because you

680
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: just there's always so many angles and and and you

681
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: know narratives that that that that can be spun so

682
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: media and ever once thought about I'm gonna get out

683
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: and do this. I'm gonna get out and never Um.

684
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: But luckily a friend of mine is just like, hey,

685
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: you know you, you're always so well spoken in your interviews.

686
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: You should try it. I was like, I want to

687
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: learn how to produce and direct and be behind the camera.

688
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to be around it. I just don't

689
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: want to be in front of it. Luckily I listened,

690
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: and um, it was cool. I'm just like obvious, just

691
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: shoot the ship and what do you like about it?

692
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I just like that it wasn't the point of view

693
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: and and and don't take me wrong, because there are

694
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: guys that haven't played they have a good point of view.

695
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: But I just like that I was able to give

696
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: like a in the locker room point of view on

697
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the court point of view suspended from a game a

698
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: real game, lose the money point of view, you know

699
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I can give you that. And

700
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: I think that's what fans appreciate because they really want

701
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: to know, like what is it really like? You know,

702
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: so you no matter how good Stephen A. Smith Is

703
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: or you can name another one. They can't really give you,

704
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: like what it's really like. They can explain what they

705
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: think it's like, but they can't give you what it's like.

706
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: So I knew that I can carve out lane that way. Um.

707
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: I was getting positive feedback. And I think what really

708
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: helped me, Chris was just staying me, like, you need

709
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: you know me. I've always been me, Like every room

710
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: I walking on me. I'm not saying you do I

711
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: need to be today Da da dah, like I'm always me.

712
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: And I think that unapologetic realness um that I played

713
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: with translated into this space in a different way. Um.

714
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: So it just kind of took off. You know, I

715
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: started doing Fox in ESPN and then ESPN locked me

716
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: in to a multi year deal and I just signed

717
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: my second multi year deal with them. Um. But it's

718
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: just been cool man and and and from there, obviously

719
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: the podcast came. You know, Jack was in a similar

720
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: he didn't know what he you know, I knew what

721
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, but he didn't really know where

722
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: he was at with it and what was next. And

723
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: he didn't know that you know, speaking could you know

724
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: be as lucrative as has been, and you know, we're

725
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: both getting the same feedback. One day, we're at my

726
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: house in the Bay, um medicating and you know, I

727
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: was just like, you've got to do something together, um

728
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: in this talking space because we're both really talking real

729
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: ship and he's like, I'm down. It's like, what do

730
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you want to do. I was like, let's do a podcast.

731
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: He's like, what's the podcast? Like, I don't know, but

732
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: I know we could cuss and we can smoke and

733
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: we can drink, like we could really be us because

734
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, at Disney is ESPN and then Foxes. You know,

735
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: he kind of have to walk that corporate line. But

736
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, I just from the pot the few podcasts

737
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: I've seen, people are just really loose being themselves. So um,

738
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: he left me with the business side. He's like, you know,

739
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm in, so if you get lined up, just let

740
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: me know. So I just started grinding, you know, lightning

741
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: in the bottle. A friend of a friend introduced me

742
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: to someone the showtime. I pitched them in the idea,

743
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: just pitched them no sizzle, no real, no no deck,

744
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: no nothing. I just told him what I wanted, which

745
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: was just a relaxed, comfortable setting, like a man cave,

746
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, like you've been over to the house and

747
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: you know you've been lost in the sauce and just

748
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: having cameras on something like that, you know what I mean,

749
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: not like, hey, what did you think? Like we're kicking back,

750
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking it, I'm talking, we're watching the

751
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: game and then and that kind I felt like that

752
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: because we have around the world, there's so many great

753
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: conversations in those settings without cameras, whether you're professional or not,

754
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: they're just great conversation. So that's what I wanted to

755
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: bring to this world. And you know when I kept

756
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: telling people like, yeah, we're going to change the podcast, right,

757
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: there's so many podcasts. How can you change the game.

758
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: And we came in and we did that, you know,

759
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: in our first year. We want Sports Podcast of the

760
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: Year and I just keep you know, I really think

761
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: we set them. Although we were the first, I think

762
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: we set the bar in this space. Um and I

763
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: literally we just started season four and I told our team,

764
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, coming into the season, like I feel like

765
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: we were still the barometer. But I feel like there's

766
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: people in the same room as us now. So we

767
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: gotta elevate. We gotta go to the next level, you know.

768
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: So now we're gonna you know, we did Clay Thompson

769
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: on his boat after practice, driving back to Tiberan, you know,

770
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: on the water rather vibes, you know, the vibes. And

771
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: and Clay doesn't talk to nobody, you know what I mean,

772
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: play the shoes off, feed out dog on the couch,

773
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: and you know, talking about he had a little dying

774
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: bag and just wanted to play rock band and the

775
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: police and pollment suck it up, you know what I mean.

776
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: And then man, we just had Will Smith on Monday.

777
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and Will was so first we had to

778
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: go see his movie Emancipation, which was incredible. Uh. Then

779
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: we went interviewed the man and he laughed, he cried,

780
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: he talked ship, he was vulnerable, he was real, he

781
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: was transparent and it was just such a dope interview.

782
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: So what is it about y'all man that allows you

783
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: guys to get that transparent, that realness out of your guests.

784
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: You guys get so much good. I think it's the

785
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: environment that we create, you know what I mean. Like

786
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: if you come up to the set, like it's not stiff,

787
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: it's you know, we're smoking, there's food, we're drinking, we're laughing,

788
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: we're having a good time. Like we just we want

789
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: our our guests to feel comfortable enough to have a

790
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: good time, you know what I mean, and a little

791
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: green or you know, some wine or you know, your

792
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: your your choice of beverage. You know, everyone kind of

793
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: just exhales little bit. And then again what I mentioned

794
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: a second ago is just our realness, you know, I mean,

795
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: Jack and I are going to be ourselves regardless. So

796
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: you know, you should know coming into our set, we're

797
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: not trying to find no clickbait and we're not trying

798
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: to give people a platform to you know, sabotaze themselves

799
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: like we really want again a good kickback conversation. I

800
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: always take, you know, pride and humanizing our guests, you know,

801
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: because we're fortunate enough because I played, I get a

802
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 1: chance to see the other side of these people and

803
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: our fans don't. So how can I show our fans

804
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: the other side of our guests? So that's kind of

805
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: my approach every time I go into it, and and

806
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: we've done a good job at that. When you run

807
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: into sort of the I won't say controversy, but it's

808
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: sort of like a little hiccup with that. He made

809
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: Doka situation earlier in the Celtics where you said something

810
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: about it, you came out. I mean, what happened was

811
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, I came out initially saying that, you know,

812
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: although it's not you know, adultery is not right, it's common,

813
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: not only in you know, professional front offices, but the world.

814
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: It happens. It's a normal thing. So again, I'm not

815
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: condoning it, I'm not justifying it, and I'm definitely not

816
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: criticizing it because I've committed it, you know what I mean.

817
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: So you know, all my mistakes are very well documented.

818
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: So I was just trying to say, it's just like

819
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: where I was coming from. Was the only reason I

820
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: even spoke on it was because Robert Sarver the Phoenix

821
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: sun Ship, he got a one year suspension. So when

822
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: I heard that Emai got a one year suspension for

823
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: like what allegedly was going on, I'm just like, how

824
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: the fund is that fair? So that's why I came

825
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: out to his defense initially, Um I posted it, someone

826
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: close to the situation kind of told me it was

827
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more and then someone close to the

828
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: situation told me it was a little bit more. So

829
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Ship, let me backpedal a little bit.

830
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: And I'm not about you know, I'm not That's what

831
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: I'm seeing that I'm not a backpedaler. Um, you know,

832
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: So backpedal then and just apologize it. But you know

833
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: what's funny was I got a lot of love, it

834
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: also a lot of hate. Oh now you're not supporting

835
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: our brother. Now you're this is and that, and you

836
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: need to tell us and this kind of stuff. And

837
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: it's just like I feel like too often in media

838
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: when people misspeak, it's just ship goes on instead of

839
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: being like, no, you know, maybe I was wrong. I

840
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: didn't have all the facts. You know, we gotta let this.

841
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: I think the one mistake I said is I think

842
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: something like it's a hundred times worse. Maybe that like

843
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: threw people off, like, oh, but you know from what

844
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: I heard, it was just it was a lot deeper. Um.

845
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: You know. Then then then then meets the eye and

846
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: and still a little bit deeper than actually come to light,

847
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So again, it's not I

848
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: just felt like from the direction I took and it

849
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: was only because I didn't feel like from what the

850
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: world the information we had at the time that email Judoka,

851
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: we're hearing, you know, an affair and what roberts Are

852
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: did were on the same level because they both initially

853
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: got the same suspension. So again, once I kind of

854
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: heard a little bit more, I was just like, all right,

855
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: let me just back up off this because you know,

856
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: this is no fun for no one. And again I'm

857
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: not judging in one because I've committed adultery, you know.

858
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: So it's just like, let me just back up out

859
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: this space and and and and let the information come

860
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: out as it will. Yeah, I was dope that you

861
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: fell on your sword. I thought, you know, again the

862
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: part of the evolution to Matt Barnes, you know, you're

863
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: just gonna come out on it and then move forward.

864
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what I respect about you. Um,

865
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: the Robert Sarver situation, do you feel like the league

866
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: did the right thing by making him have to sell

867
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: his team? And was it too little? Is it too little?

868
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: Too late? Give me some thought. No, it's not too

869
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean because at the end it's not the league's fault,

870
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we have the Sterling situation. You know,

871
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: in the playoffs with Golden State. You know, we're trying

872
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: to be the young Hungry if people remember, we were

873
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: the last team to beat Golden State before they went

874
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: on that dynasty run. So we're dealing with a young

875
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: Hungry on the rise Golden State Warriors team and are

876
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: idiot owner gets caught you know on tape that was

877
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: doing ye that, Yeah, that's why it dropped during the playoffs.

878
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: We're actually making a show about it. They're filming right

879
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: now called The Sterling Affairs coming out on f X six. There.

880
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: It's dope and it's sick document this whole space. Um,

881
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: but the Starver situation again and when the when the

882
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: Sterling ship hit, I'm like, he's not it was. It

883
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a big deal to me from a standpoint of

884
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: you know, racism is still alive. But I faced real

885
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: racism in my life, you know, with my high school

886
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: nearly being burned down and a green light being put

887
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: on my head and I had to move because they

888
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: were trying to kill me. So I faced like real

889
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: life racism. So when you hear older white men you know,

890
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: talk talk disrespectful talk racism, just like you know, fuck you.

891
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: But they're not the only one to think like that,

892
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: and they're just the only ones dumb enough to get caught.

893
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: So in this situation is the same thing I've just

894
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: Starver's just always been an arrogant asshole to me, you know,

895
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: just always arrogant, thinks he's the smartest guy in the room,

896
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: always needs to be a center, to be the center

897
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: of attention. I just never really funk with that. So

898
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have any racial incidence with him, because he

899
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: probably knew not to play that around me. Um. I

900
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: did have an incident with him, and I said it

901
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: on the Sharp podcast not too long ago, but we

902
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: had a him out there one time after I had left,

903
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: and I was going back and forth with like a

904
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: young teenage kid and his dad. But it was like

905
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: a fundly like talk trash back and forth. There wasn't

906
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: no disrespect, no hate. And we're at the free throw

907
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: line and I hear someone say, stop sucking talking to

908
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: my fans, or don't fucking talk to my fans. So

909
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: who is talking? I turned around. It was him in

910
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: the corner with his wife, and I looked at it.

911
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: I'll come smack the ship out of you in front

912
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: of your wife say something else like tightened up real quick,

913
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: and I just ran back down the court and he

914
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: told on me and I got fined. How much you

915
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: get for talking to the owner like that? But the

916
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: owner was but the owner talking to me like so,

917
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: how did they vet that out? What was the investigation?

918
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: It was me? It was It wasn't even an investigation

919
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: to me. How can the owner cussing me and I

920
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: cussed back and get fined? That's wild? Crazy? Um so again,

921
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: never had no racism ship with him personally, just asshole

922
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: didn't like him, and which is who cares? You can

923
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: still be an owner with that. But then you know,

924
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: our brother, Earl Watson had his running with Sarvereign and

925
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: the ship. The Earl told me, I'm just like really

926
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: like really that was crazy. I never really talked about it,

927
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: but I kind of set behind the scenes knowing what

928
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: that dude was. Wild wild. He's luckily he hasn't got

929
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: sucked up. Honestly, violence is never, but but sometimes it is.

930
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my famous quote, but sometimes it is.

931
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: They put that meme on whenever I twitted, they put

932
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: your so I mean again, we really you don't want

933
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: to see it ever go that far in our older

934
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: ages now, but I'm not younger age. We're okay with that, um.

935
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: But you just knew there was a matter of time.

936
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: You hear Earl's incident, and you hear other incidents, it's

937
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: only a matter of time before you know, people are

938
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: just going to start being like, Okay, hey, this is

939
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: who this guy is, and all to cover up him

940
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: and his wife tried to do was bullshit. You know,

941
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: some people might lie, but that many people aren't lying,

942
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So again, you can't blame

943
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: the NBA for having people like this. There's still more

944
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: in the NBA, can I guarantee it? There's still more,

945
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: and not only than the NBA and MLB and foot

946
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Old and probably even more. Um. But again, when it when, when,

947
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: when it finally showed itself, you have to be stern

948
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: and you have to know pun intenda. You have to,

949
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: you know, make a stance that there's no room in

950
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: our game. There's really no room in the world, but

951
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: particularly professional sports for racism. So you know, I initially

952
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: thought that the fine and the one you're suspension was bullshit,

953
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: But you know, I knew that people are gonna start

954
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: speaking enough like me. They were saying, you know, this

955
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: is bullshit. And you know, the bigger guys start speaking.

956
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: When le Broun and then starts speaking, that's when ship happens,

957
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then sponsors start pulling out,

958
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: that's when ship happened. So, you know, luckily, he you know, thankfully,

959
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: he made the decision that he should sell the team.

960
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: So you know, so he made a mistake, and he's

961
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: made several mistakes, but at the same time, he's you know,

962
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: it's don't feel bad for him for people like, oh,

963
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: this is not enough. He's you know, he's thirty ner

964
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: of that team. So that team sells for a couple

965
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: of billion. He's, you know, he's he's gonna eat. Fox

966
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.

967
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,640
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968
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969
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: s R to listen live. But I think that one

970
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: of the bigger things, like racism is definitely issue pro sports.

971
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: But I think misogyny is a huge, huge epidemic in

972
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: pro sports. We see Daniel Snyder, the owner of the

973
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: Washington Commanders, now coming out of under fire, Jerry Jones

974
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: and wishing weeks on the NFL side of things has

975
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: been under fire. Um do you do you think that

976
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: the misogynistic sort of foundation that pro sports is where

977
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: they act that way or actively, you think that's ever

978
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna change? And how can it change? I do, because

979
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's probably been going on for a

980
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: long time and never spoken on, and now now at

981
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: least a conversation. And remember back in the day when

982
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: we wanted we'd legalized, it was a long way, but

983
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: then they started talking about it. It was deep and

984
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: the next thing you know, it's here. You know. So

985
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: when things are finally that that we know and not

986
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: again and not only in professional sports, but just these

987
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: boardrooms around the world, when it starts getting talked about,

988
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: it's coming. You know. That means I think more change

989
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: is on the way. Will we be able to see

990
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: it in our lifetime, I'm not sure, but it's definitely

991
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: changing now because it's just a more righteous country or

992
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: we try to be, you know, just a more wrong

993
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: is wrong. Finally in some cases we're getting here. Yeah,

994
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: So to me, it's starting to change. So um, and

995
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: I say the same thing with the racism you know

996
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think there's just a certain standard

997
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: of these seventy plus old you know, oil billionaires, are

998
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: real estate billionaires that are team owners, and that's just

999
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: kind of the life they've lived. A nigger will slip

1000
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: out here and there, nigger this nigger, you know, and

1001
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: that's just kind of the way. That's the way they

1002
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,439
Speaker 1: talk normally privately, but sometimes it's slipping out. But I think,

1003
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, once they you know, pass on from our

1004
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: game and in in just everyone's game in general. I

1005
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: think these next you know, new wave of CEOs and

1006
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: owners are just understanding more of what our culture is about.

1007
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that some young racist is

1008
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: gonna slip in, but I think overall, look that people

1009
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: just starting to understand. Man, there's just we're all here together,

1010
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, black and brown people have been

1011
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: called minority for so long, but we're actually the majority now.

1012
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, they try to use the word minority to

1013
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: keep us in our place, but we're really the mind. Uh,

1014
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: we're really the majority. So just kind of having to

1015
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: understand how the world is now. I think, you know, eventually,

1016
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: to answer your question, I think eventually it will change

1017
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: and it is changing. I just don't know how soon

1018
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: we'll see it. Why do you think more hasn't been

1019
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: done to get Britney Grinder out of jail? Oh man,

1020
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate. Me my girl actually talking about it last night.

1021
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's bad man, because cartridge, when you

1022
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: think about it, it's a cartridge. It's not even actual flower.

1023
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: There's no like real weed being found. But I think

1024
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: it's timing. I think time, you know, Chris, every timing

1025
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: is everything. And I think she got caught in the

1026
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: middle of a war with Ukraine, UH and Russia, and

1027
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: then you know, the the United States giving Ukraine money. Oh,

1028
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: when we have one of your NBA female stars or

1029
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: w give me w n b A stars over here,

1030
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna make an example. Unfortunately, I think

1031
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: they're trying to make an example out of her. Um.

1032
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: You know she just heard her bail denied the other day. Um. Yeah,

1033
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: She's like, I got a nine year sentence. So I

1034
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: think I'm praying that, you know, the president and someone

1035
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: can really make something happen. But I think this might

1036
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: be a situation where I don't think that she They

1037
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: say something like she's close to eight years left because

1038
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, time served. Yeah, but I think that she's

1039
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: and I hope I'm wrong on a couple of different levels,

1040
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: but I think she's gonna probably do a couple of

1041
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: years and then they're gonna freer. That's crazy because honestly, man,

1042
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: I really feel like this is unfair because if this

1043
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: was a male professional athlete, any one, right, this would

1044
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: not happen. Right, it would have been swift. You know,

1045
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: calls would have been made, Folks would have been on red,

1046
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: you know, that bad phone talking to Putin and then

1047
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: that dude's out of here. So but Brittany now has

1048
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: to pay the price right for the timing of everything.

1049
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: And I appreciate the people that is using their platforms

1050
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: to try to try to whatever. You know, and it's

1051
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: using your platform if you look at it, although it's

1052
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a it's a gesture. And

1053
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: we do love and and and we we hope she's

1054
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: safe and and and sending love out to our family

1055
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: doesn't really it doesn't really do anything, which is which

1056
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: is messed up. I wish there was more tangible things

1057
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: that that people can do to to really help. But

1058
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, right now, we're kind of at the mercy

1059
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: of their their judicial system and and and their president

1060
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: and how they see holding her fit, which is unbelievable.

1061
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, Man, I just definitely pray for her, pray

1062
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: for her family, her loved ones, and you know, she's

1063
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: just an example. There's a lot of people around the

1064
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: world that are in similar situations. You know, she's just

1065
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: happens to have some fame and money behind her name,

1066
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: so that's why it's it's so front and center, not

1067
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: that it doesn't deserve to be, but there's a lot

1068
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: of people in similar situations. So it's just like it

1069
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: just kind of just shows how crazy this world can be. Man,

1070
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: I have a story from my time overseas. Um and

1071
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: Risk I took doing something similar as pretty Grinder. I

1072
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: was in Malaysia Man playing in the Damn Asian champion

1073
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: Ship in two thousand and one. Uh, you know, I

1074
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: got Stas Boseman out there with me. We're playing against Jr.

1075
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: And Sam got in the final. But you know, I

1076
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: needed some weed. I need to smoke that week, and

1077
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: you know here in Malaysia, Kuala Lumplu or whole in

1078
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: other country. So I ended up going to find it

1079
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: and everything like that, right, So I find it out

1080
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: there and freaking Malaysia, which you could have gotten in jail.

1081
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: First of all. So I'm smoking in my hotel room

1082
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: with stays in the hotel and stays and in the

1083
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 1: bathroom or in Damad in my bedroom, so just toweling

1084
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: the door must have been playing really well at the time.

1085
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: Thirty six or better didn't matter. I was feeling investable, right,

1086
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: So look, we got all this, we got all this

1087
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: stuff in Malaysia. We win the championship. I take you'll

1088
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: beat him? We beat him? Would you get six? Eight

1089
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: and eight in the final? Sham God was guarding me. Uh,

1090
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, he was just guarding sham guys. He was

1091
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, he was doing all the defensive stuff and

1092
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: he's just letting me just get off. So that was beautiful.

1093
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: So I ended up taking the stuff back to Qatar.

1094
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: Now you know, that's like, it's worse than taking some

1095
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: stuff back to real bro. But just to show you

1096
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: why where my mindset was and how people just you know,

1097
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: I read a lot of comments on Twitter about how

1098
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: could she even think to do something like that? Trust me,

1099
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: when you're at a certain status at a certain place

1100
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: in this in basketball, and you're overseas and you gotta

1101
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: feel like you need something to make your body, your bone,

1102
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,479
Speaker 1: something that you have used for a while that help

1103
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: you play well. Okay, yeah, your mental state. Come on,

1104
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: my mental state, bro, I'm risking all that for that.

1105
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: I think about that story. I've never told that story

1106
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: to anyone, but I think about that when I've been

1107
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: thinking about that since Brittany, Like, damn, thank god that

1108
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: I made it out, because if I would have got

1109
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: busted with that, bro, it would have been it would

1110
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: have been bad. Yeah. I was, you know, I was.

1111
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I was taking those chances on vacation. Yeah. I didn't

1112
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: even need it to play or anything like that. I

1113
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: just felt like I needed it, Like if I'm gonna

1114
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: go on vacation with this thing, I'm going over the

1115
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: water is like I need it, you know what I mean.

1116
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: It just is what it is because to me, you know,

1117
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a big drinker. I definitely don't pop pills.

1118
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: It's just what I feel, like, Mike, Mike, I said,

1119
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: it is. That's my medicine. And and the fact that

1120
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: for a cartridge, she may have to spend years in

1121
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: jail is is and we definitely not condone smuggling marijuana,

1122
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: not over international waters, something that the crime definitely doesn't

1123
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: match the punishment by any means, nor it doesn't. Man

1124
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: One more thing for your brother before you go, I

1125
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: just want you to give some advice. You've just your

1126
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: second act, if you will, from business to media coaching.

1127
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: How did you or how do you stay locked in

1128
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: and how did you have the vision to kind of,

1129
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, know, where you wanted to go with your

1130
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: career active basketball. I didn't, like I said, I invested

1131
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: because I thought, you know, I was going to be

1132
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: a cannabis owner and I just thought I would have

1133
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: a few other businesses. Um, but you're still gonna do cannaby. Yeah,

1134
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm still in it. I'm just not as heavy anymore

1135
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: because like media is kind of so that kind of

1136
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: works for itself. Um. The media stuff is really media

1137
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: and content creation that have been number one. And Chris,

1138
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: I just say, it's it's it's cool, it's it's it's

1139
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: I love doing it, you know what I mean? Like that,

1140
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: I got the luckiest, luckiest job in the world to

1141
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: play you know, professional basketball for fifteen years and get

1142
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: paid for it and now you know, I get to

1143
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: still talk about it and create and create content around it,

1144
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: and that that ship is fun and you know, for

1145
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: to be ESPN and Showtime and NBC Bay Area because

1146
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: I worked for the Kings and Baller Vision, because I'm

1147
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: working for the Clippers, that the bombership he's doing. I'm

1148
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: doing color commentary for Ote, you know what I mean.

1149
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: So all these people, you know, want to pay me

1150
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: to talk about basketball, and it's it's good pay, you

1151
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's just like ship, it's

1152
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: a lot it's it's you know, I don't like that

1153
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: I have to travel a lot um. I'm missing time

1154
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: with my kids. But at the same time, it's just

1155
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: like you know, used to just like you kind of

1156
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: have to strike. Why the iron is hot. The iron

1157
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: is hot right now more doors continue to open, man.

1158
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: So I just you know, I continue to stay real

1159
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: and authentic in me know, and be transparent. I funked

1160
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: up on the Odoka thing. I apologize you know a

1161
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: lot about but a lot of people respected that. The

1162
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: people who needed to respected their respected, you know, which

1163
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: means which continues to make me okay, like he is

1164
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: really So it's just like, continue to be me, continue

1165
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: to be gracious, continue to be thankful. You know, we

1166
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: were talking about the other day. I was at Better

1167
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: Paint and said, with a guy named Ron Everley's name

1168
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: goes by Boss, he's Kevin Hart's trainer's my training and

1169
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: uh we did his little penicipit his crib and that

1170
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: he was telling a story to a bunch of guys

1171
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: in the circle. Then when he met me in two

1172
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, after I won a championship at a big

1173
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: old house on Dohini for the summer, and this is

1174
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: my first time I'd always seen him, so I hit

1175
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: him up and I was like, I want you to

1176
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: train me and probably can play. You know, another year

1177
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: two I decided to retire, but he was telling a story,

1178
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: how I guess. One day we were working out, and

1179
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: the one thing I told him is just like shake

1180
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: hands would be cool with everyone because you never know

1181
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: who is who, you know what I mean, like and

1182
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: especially I tried to do that because I think there

1183
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: was such a misconception that I was a thug or

1184
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: bad guy or dumb or any of that kind of ship.

1185
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: So I just I go out of my way to

1186
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: be cool. With people, and you never know where that's

1187
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: going to lead you. It could lead you nowhere, it

1188
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: could lead you everywhere. And it's it's led me to

1189
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: a lot of different places now because you know, I

1190
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: played a long time in the n b A. I

1191
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: went to U C. L A and and and and

1192
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: and I'm you know, I'm touchable from you know, So

1193
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: I just I like to be out and about and

1194
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 1: and in in good rooms and communicate with people and

1195
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: and see, if you know, friendships or business come from it.

1196
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: And you know, that's kind of been my recipe. Um.

1197
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously when you get these opportunities,

1198
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: you got to continue to grind, you know, kick these

1199
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: doors in. You know what I mean. It's I got ESPN,

1200
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: so I gotta study the whole league. And then I

1201
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: got the King, so I gotta study the Kings. Then

1202
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: I gotta study the Clippers, and now I gotta learn

1203
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: all these little young O t E kids. So the

1204
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: twins are go. My twins are gonna school me on

1205
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: that because I don't have time to watch them, and

1206
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: now I'm getting paid to do it, so I need

1207
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: to know it. So it's just like you know, it's

1208
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: still work but it's fun work and it's you know,

1209
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: it could be a lot worse type ship. So and

1210
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: that's why I just continue to grind and hopefully I

1211
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: motivate people from a standpoint of I was a journeyman

1212
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: role player, you know what I mean. Like you see

1213
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: guys that move into media that that that have these

1214
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: kind of careers are like all stars or Hall of

1215
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: Famers and all that ship. And I'm not so to me,

1216
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: I think that shows other guys it's more attainable. Like literally,

1217
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: anybody could do it. You just gotta be good at it.

1218
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: You gotta know how to you know, work your rooms

1219
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: and talk your ship and shake your hands and you

1220
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: know anything, it's possible. Man. So I just want to

1221
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: continue to motivate and elevate myself and elevate everything that

1222
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: I touch and see where it goes. Man, you're doing

1223
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: the hell of a job, brother, Keep doing what you're doing.

1224
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: We love the show, Love you on ESPM man, and

1225
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: we're looking out for the Isaiah Carter business of basketball.

1226
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: They're coming, ladies and gentlemen. Matt Barnes