1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Warning warning, deep space sirens are going because this episode 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: contains spoilers for Ridley Scott's nineteen seventy nine sci fi 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: classic Alien. 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: Hello. 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 3: My name is Rosie Knight and I'm Carmen Laurent and 6 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 3: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 8 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to another installment of xenomorph Week, a full week 9 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: of alien focused episodes leading up to the release of 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: Alien Romulus. Carmen is one of our wonderful producers here 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: at x ray Vision and is also an Alien super fan. 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 3: So today we'll be co hosting this very fun omnibus with. 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: Me, and then after we talk Alien, we'll hear from 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 4: our friend James F. Wright about Belaji Bedejo, the man 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: behind the original Alien suit. Rosie, I'm a huge fan 16 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 4: of the Alien franchise. Now, have we already gotten your 17 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 4: alien backstory before? 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think I've shared my 19 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 3: alien origin story. 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: Tell us about your alien origin story, Rosie. 21 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: Okay, so my alien origin story is very specific and 22 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: very terrifying to me personally. When I was a little kid, 23 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,839 Speaker 3: I got to go to Disney World with my mom 24 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: and a family that she cleaned their house and they 25 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: invited us and said, come to Disney World. And I 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: went on a ride that they had at what was 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: at the time called MGM Studios, and it was a 28 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: ride that went through the history of Hollywood, but randomly 29 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 3: just after you know, going through the Western World and 30 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: the Wizard of Oz. They just had a room where 31 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: you were on the Nostromo and his zenomorph came out. Oh, 32 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: that's no joke. It was like, legit, one of the 33 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: scariest moments of my life. But then, of course, because 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 3: I was a morbid child with a taste in the 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: dark side, I then became obsessed with the alien and 36 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: had to know what it was, and I learned about 37 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: the movie. And I don't know about you, but one 38 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: of the first ways that I really got into horrorism, 39 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: just like reading the backs of vhs or DVDs in 40 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: like the video shop. I'm old, but I would definitely 41 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: be reading all of the kind of backs like oh 42 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: what happens in Alien? And then that was definitely where 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: my interest and love for the franchise began. 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: Wow, well, that is definitely a lot cooler than my story. 45 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 4: You got to go to Disney World and see the 46 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: Nostromo in person. That's pretty cool. I am also a 47 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 4: child of morbid curiosity, was a child with morbid curiosity. 48 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: I was definitely attracted to the dark side. You'd call 49 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 4: me like I was a little goth baby at the time. 50 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have that. 51 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 4: So we have that same shared backstory there. And my 52 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 4: dad had a huge, massive DVD collection, oh wow. 53 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: And prior to that it was VHS. 54 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 4: But then, of course the age of DVD came in 55 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 4: and my dad was always at the pawn shop and 56 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 4: he would come home like maybe once a week with 57 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: like a brown paper bag filled with bootleg DVDs from 58 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: a pawnshop. 59 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: I love that. And he had he had like. 60 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: Literally like two thousand something DVDs, and at one point 61 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: in my childhood I had to catalog all of them 62 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: and everything and put them in alphabetical order and everything too. 63 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: But he had the Alien VHS box set with the 64 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: first three movies as well as a box set with 65 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 4: I believe it was all four of the movies at 66 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: that point, with Alien Resurrection included. And I was one 67 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 4: of those kids that was very into box art and 68 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: definitely judge books by the cover because I saw that 69 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: egg with the green neon blue coming out of it, 70 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 4: and it fascinated me, so I, I, you know, got 71 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 4: to sat down and watch it with my dad, and 72 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 4: the rest is history from them. 73 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: I love that we both had dads who definitely showed 74 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: us horror movies too early. I definitely I have a 75 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: really distinct memory of watching Scream two on VHS with 76 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: my dad and my sister, who's like four years younger 77 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: than me, and we would definitely like, no, I don't 78 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 3: I'd watch slasher movies at that point. But Imber, my sister, 79 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 3: still has very unfond memories of that. 80 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, that's that's a lot, a lot for a 81 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: little kid. 82 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: I think the youngest scary movie I ever watched was Leprechaun, 83 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 4: and that absolutely free me out as a child. 84 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: The power of imagination is truly a terrifying thing. 85 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: It is, it is. 86 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: But we're not here today to talk about the traumas 87 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 4: of horror movies that we faced as a child. 88 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: That's for a different episode. 89 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for a different episode. 90 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: We're here to talk today about how the first alien 91 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: movie was made. And I wanted to ask you before 92 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: I get into it, Rosie, do you know anything about 93 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: this origin story of the first Alien movie. 94 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: I was a fan of reading a lot of Empire 95 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: magazine and movie stuff, so I've definitely heard the general story, 96 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: and I do know a lot about the production art 97 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: because it was done by some of my favorite people. 98 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 3: But I want you to tell the people and to 99 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: refresh me. I'm going to get to be on this 100 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: journey of alien origin with you. 101 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: Okay, awesome. Well, I'm really excited to get into it 102 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 4: with you today. Before we can even talk about how 103 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 4: we got the first Alien movie, we have to first 104 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 4: talk about a movie that was never made, and that 105 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 4: was Alejandro Hodorowski's Dune movie. 106 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 3: Wow. Yes, one of the most famous unmade movies of 107 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: all time. 108 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely. Alejandro Hodorowski, famous for his films The Holy 109 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 4: Mountain in nineteen seventy three and also Santa Sandre in 110 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine. He wanted to make this very very 111 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 4: ambitious adaptation of the of the Dune books, which had 112 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: never been made into a movie at this point, and 113 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 4: it is one of those movies that we lost to 114 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: production hell because the production phase never ended and they 115 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: were unable to find adequate funding to produce this mega 116 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: movie that they had cooked up. Apparently it was supposed 117 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: to be like a fourteen hour movie. Originally sounds very Jodorowski. 118 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Yes, very very Geniowski. 119 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 4: Oh and before I get into this, I do want 120 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: to call out that there are two documentary films that 121 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 4: kind of touch on this, and one of those being 122 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 4: it's literally a movie you can find in HBO Max 123 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: it's called Hodorowski's Dune. And then there's another movie which 124 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 4: is harder to find on streaming, but it's called Memory 125 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: and it's the origin of the first alien movie. And 126 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 4: both of those documentaries explore this topic pretty in depth. 127 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: But the first Dune movie that was never made. Production 128 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: of that started in nineteen seventy one, and he had 129 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: this huge, amazing cast of collaborators that he pulled together 130 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: to make the movie. He had big prog rock bands 131 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: of the day, Tangerine Dream, Pink Floyd, and Magma, and 132 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 4: he eventually landed on Pink Floyd as being the band 133 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 4: that was going to do the soundtrack for this movie. 134 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: Evenly already the most famous band out of the three, 135 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: even though I will say Tangerine Dream they have done 136 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: some truly fantastic film soundtracks. I believe they did one 137 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: of the Legend soundtracks. There's two different versions for Legend, 138 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: another Ridley Scott movie. Yeah, and yeah, they are wonderful. 139 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: But I mean, Pink Floyd, you're talking about heavy his 140 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: right there. 141 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely. I mean, already we're off to a great 142 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: start here with some amazing bands of the day. But 143 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: then he pulls in set and character designers hr Geeger, 144 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 4: who we hadn't really heard much. He wasn't really like 145 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 4: very well known at this point, and Mobius aka Jean 146 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 4: Gureaux with special effects by Dan O'Bannon. Now Dan O'Bannon 147 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: will come into play later on. Now that already already 148 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 4: a really fantastic group of collaborators right there. Then we 149 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 4: get into the cast of characters who was set to 150 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 4: play in this Dune movie. So we have surrealist painter 151 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: Salvador Dali just casually, yeah, just casually in there, or 152 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 4: author and director Orson Wells, old Hollywood starlett Gloria Swanson, 153 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: David Carradine, which you know from Kill Bill, one of 154 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: the Rolling Stones, the Big Rolling Stone, Micjagger, the Biggest Hello, 155 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 4: German actor Udo Kier oh wow. And then my favorite 156 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 4: and the reason why I wish we could have seen 157 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 4: this movie come to life, is that the disco queen 158 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 4: herself A Mandelaer, is set to play daughter of Salbad 159 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: Dolly's character, who is remind me that character's name again? 160 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 4: He was he going to be the emperor, Yes, he 161 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 4: was going to be the emperor. Yes, I don't want 162 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 4: to say Emperor Palpatine and piss off them. But Amandelayer 163 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: was set to play the princess. And it's important to 164 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 4: note that Amandelayer at that time in the in the 165 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 4: seventies was the muse to Salvador Dolly. So the two 166 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 4: of them together on screen is just absolutely mind blowing. 167 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 4: The concept of that is mind blowing to me. And 168 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 4: then the role of Paula Trds was set to be 169 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: played by how Owski's twelve year old son. Now this 170 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: obviously never happened. Yes, So, as I mentioned before, Dan 171 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 4: O'Bannon would come into play later on. He is the 172 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: writer of the film Alien, but he was chosen for 173 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 4: this project for this Dune that never happened because he 174 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: was co writing and directing special effects for the John 175 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 4: Carpenter film Dark Star, which. 176 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: I love that movie before. Yes, Yes, originally John Coppener's 177 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: student film. 178 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: I saw that when I was watching the movie, right. 179 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: It's really cool, totally great, weird, low key sci fi 180 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: that I think you can really see that how someone 181 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: who worked on that could go and create something like Alien. 182 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Yeah, So if you haven't seen Dark Star, check 183 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 4: that out. Definitely an essential watch to help you kind 184 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 4: of gear up for Alien Romulus. But this iteration of 185 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: Dune never happened. We're really sad about it. 186 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, rip. 187 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 4: To that version, the fourteen hour movie that never happened. 188 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 4: This also left the special effects director Dan O'Bannon without 189 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: a job. Now. While he was jobless and also homeless, 190 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: sleeping on a friend's couch, he worked on a spec 191 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: script called Memory to sell to studios. It was bought 192 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: by twentieth Century Fox, and Ridley Scott picked up the 193 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 4: movie to direct. Now Dan O'Bannon having worked with hr 194 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 4: Geeger and Chris Foss for six months on Houtrowski's failed 195 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 4: attempt to make Dune, he pulled in those two artists 196 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 4: to collaborate with him on this new venture, which would 197 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: become the film Alien. Memory was the original title that 198 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: was going to be used for the film, but then 199 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 4: they landed on Alien, which I think is a lot 200 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: more of a ominous and spooky name. 201 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 3: Correct, And I also think like the simplicity is probably 202 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: part of why it's so iconic and why we're still 203 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: talking about it. I mean, we could in a different 204 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: time be talking about the Me refranchise, but it's giving cats. Yeah, 205 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 3: I feel like I feel like Alien they made the 206 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: right choice. 207 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: They really did. 208 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 4: They really did make the right choice, because then you 209 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 4: can have a sequel called Aliens, you know, incredible, incredible, 210 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: I mean just amazing sequel naming there. So this movie 211 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 4: Alien would become the greatest sci fi horrory yet. And 212 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: it really is, like I just want to take a 213 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 4: moment to talk about how a movie from nineteen seventy 214 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 4: nine is still able to stand up to the test 215 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 4: of time today and you watch it today in twenty 216 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 4: twenty four, and it still feels fresh, It still feels 217 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 4: like completely like ahead of its time. It just it's 218 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 4: it's an amazing movie and it's great storytelling. Can't say 219 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 4: enough about it. 220 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree, And also as well, just the 221 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: visual effects, the fact that they were able to create 222 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: something that was so terrifying and unique, and that still 223 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 3: to this day feels scared. I mean they still show 224 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 3: Alien in LA probably every couple of months, I would say, so, yeah, 225 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 3: they do seventy milimis screenings of it here, And I 226 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: think it is because it's not one of those movies 227 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: you go and see for nostalgia. It's one of those 228 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: movies you go to experience because it is still that scary. 229 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's one of the Yeah, like if somebody watched 230 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 4: it for the first time in twenty twenty four, they 231 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 4: would still be as amazed as the person watching it 232 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy nine. 233 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: So yeah. 234 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 4: Many of the designs that ended up becoming such like 235 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 4: an iconic part of that Alien film were from the 236 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 4: designs that hr Geeger had made when he was designing 237 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: stuff for the film Doune that never happened. So many 238 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 4: of those designs were recycled and they ended up being 239 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 4: used on the Alien set. Now the design itself for 240 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 4: the Xenomorph. Dan O'Bannon made many attempts himself to design 241 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 4: the Xenomorph, but he couldn't land on something that felt 242 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: both alien and scary and out of this world and 243 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 4: unimaginable until the crew saw the nineteen seventy six painting 244 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 4: that Giger created called the Necronomicon four. And so that 245 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 4: is where the design from the Alien comes from. The Xenomorph, 246 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 4: which at the time when the movie came out in 247 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine, nobody was calling it a xenomorph. 248 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: They were just calling it an alien. 249 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely an alien. But yeah, that is the kind 250 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: of short and abridged version story of how the failed 251 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 4: Dune project would lead to the creation of the film Alien. 252 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: And that was just eight years later. 253 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: Wow, that was so delightful. Common, thank you so much 254 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 3: for telling us that story, and thank you all for listening. 255 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: It's very expensive to make a failed fourteen hour movie, 256 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: so if you could support us by understanding that. Now 257 00:14:53,720 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: we have some messages from us, boss, and we're back. 258 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: Welcome to the back Matter, where, just like the last 259 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: pages of your favorite comics, we explore one specific moment, matter, 260 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 3: or theme from a fan fay franchise. And today Common 261 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: has put together something really cool, a look at some 262 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: of the most interesting thematic moments and easter eggs throughout 263 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: the first Alien movie. 264 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 4: Yes, and there's actually a lot of really cool Easter 265 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 4: eggs in this movie. We'll get to which one of 266 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 4: them is my favorite in just a moment. But starting 267 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 4: right out, the entire film, in the entire franchise, contains 268 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: a lot of symbolism and references to the concept of motherhood, pregnancy, 269 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: bodily autonomy, you know, stuff like that. You of course 270 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 4: have the AI computer system on board the Nostromo. Her 271 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: name is Yes. 272 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 5: He was very he said, this is text, this is subtext, 273 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 5: absolutely absolutely so we're literally taking commands from mother and 274 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 5: she's in control and even has like some secret plans 275 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 5: of her sleeve, which is even spookier. 276 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 4: And also, of course, in order for an alien to 277 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: be born, it requires reproduction using a host, so we 278 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: know the face hugger. It attaches to the face of 279 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 4: the host and the host is forced to become pregnant 280 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: with the chest burster. 281 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: Terrifying. 282 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 4: That is terrifying. Now, Dan O'Bannon could have easily made 283 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 4: that part of the story something that affected one of 284 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 4: the female characters in the movie, Ripley or Joan Lambert, 285 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: but instead he specifically wanted one of the male characters 286 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: in the movie to experience this because he wanted to 287 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 4: make men who are seeing the movie feel the same 288 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 4: exact kind of and all of that that the women 289 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 4: in the audience would be experiencing, which I love. 290 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 3: I love that too, And I do absolutely think that 291 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: if that scene had not been given to the John 292 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: Hut character, if it had not been a man, I 293 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: do not know if Hollywood would hold this film in 294 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: the same high regard in regards to how much it 295 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 3: terrified people at the time. So I really loved that choice, 296 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 3: and I think it's the beginning of the seeds of 297 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 3: how subversive this franchise is. 298 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely Yeah, and we find out later on in the 299 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 4: franchise that if a female host is used by a 300 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 4: face hugger, then they give birth to a queen's an 301 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 4: a morph. But we're not there yet and the story. 302 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not that. 303 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 304 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 4: So that's, you know, one of the big easter eggs 305 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 4: and kind of like the subtext of the movie. But 306 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 4: then there are some parts of it that are a 307 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: little more obvious. Now, I just want to take a 308 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 4: moment to talk about one of my absolute favorite characters 309 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 4: in sci fi. This is a different easter egg. That 310 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 4: is the character Joan Lambert. Now Joan Lambert is played 311 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 4: by the amazing actress Veronica Cartwright, which I just want 312 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 4: to take a moment to talk about kind of her 313 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 4: legacy and the sci fi genre. So if you're a 314 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: big sci fi fan like me, you've seen her before 315 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 4: in the nineteen seventies version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, 316 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: which is kind of a similar theme and kind of 317 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 4: a similar concept to what's going on in Alien but 318 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 4: taken to another level. And she also has a recurring 319 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 4: role in the X Files franchise, which I I haven't 320 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 4: talked about this before, but I'm a huge X Files head, 321 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 4: so I immediately connected with that part of the movie. But 322 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 4: she is a multiple alien abductee in the X Files franchise. Now, 323 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 4: the cool part about her character Joan Lambert that I 324 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 4: love is that she is noted as a trans woman 325 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: in her on screen bio that is displayed of her. 326 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 4: So there's like a scene that is in one of 327 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 4: the cuts of the films that features the bio of 328 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 4: the crew mates behind them while Alan Ripley is talking, 329 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 4: and you can see in Joan Lambert's bio that it says, quote, 330 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: subject is a despin convert at birth male to female. 331 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 4: So far no indication of suppressed trauma related to gender alteration. Now, 332 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 4: as a trans woman myself, I absolutely love the fact 333 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 4: that we have a trans female character in a movie 334 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: who is literally we only know that by a little 335 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: easter egg. We don't know that because characters aren't talking 336 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 4: about it. She's not taught. 337 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: It's it's just one of those things that that is. 338 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: And it's like and also she's doing great, even the 339 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: SI Ship's like, she's doing fine. 340 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: She's doing fine. 341 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 4: She does great with these missions where we you know, 342 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: put her in hyper sleep and all of that, so no. 343 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: Need to worry about it. 344 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, So for me, I think that this is one 345 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: of the first times that I've ever seen a trans 346 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 4: character featured in a movie where it's not made a 347 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 4: big deal. 348 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: It's just. 349 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 3: Nine yes, in one of the best horror sci fis 350 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 3: of all time. 351 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 4: That's pretty incredible. Yeah, And so that's my personal favorite 352 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 4: easter egg in the movie. I also love as somebody 353 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 4: who loves the Blade Runner franchise as it is now 354 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 4: A Francis's really cool. Yes, I love the hint that 355 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 4: Blade Runner and Alien take place in the same universe. 356 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: So towards the end of Alien, when Ripley makes it 357 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: into her escape pod. She starts up the engines by 358 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 4: turning the blue screen on the computer into a red 359 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,239 Speaker 4: purge screen. So later in the movie Blade Runner, we 360 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: see that exact same startup sequence when Officer Gaff enters 361 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 4: his flying vehicle and leaves. Ridley Scott has confirmed himself 362 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 4: that the two movies are indeed in the same universe. However, 363 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 4: Blade Runner takes place in the year twenty nineteen, an 364 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: Alien takes place in the year two thousand, one hundred 365 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: and twenty two, so that's like one hundred years they're 366 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 4: still using the same computer. 367 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 3: It is, but I'm seeing I could see like a 368 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: replicant alien crossover coming in our crossover obsessed times. 369 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, and I believe there's also like a novelization 370 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 4: or a extra like Easter Egg scene. On one of 371 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 4: the DVDs they talk about how Dallas actually takes a 372 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: paycheck from the Tyrell Corporation, which is another little crossover 373 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 4: into those two franchises. 374 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: Common thank you so much for joining me to take 375 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: us on this journey. This was absolutely delightful. 376 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 4: It was it was so much fun, and I'm so 377 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 4: freaking excited. 378 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: I'm so excited for Alien. 379 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I am so excited. 380 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 4: Rosie and I have been seeing each other alien memes. 381 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: Yes, she's the one who told me about it. 382 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: Yes, we still need to get our Alien popcorn buckets. 383 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: Cinemak put one aside for us. 384 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 4: Yes, please, yes, well thank you. 385 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a joy. 386 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 4: That was a fun peek behind the scenes on how 387 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 4: the first Alien film was made. And now we're going 388 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 4: to switch gears and we're going to be speaking with 389 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: our friend James F. Wright on Bilagie Thedeho, the man 390 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 4: in the Xenomorph suit, bom Bomb Bomb. But first a 391 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: message from our sponsors, and we're back. 392 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 3: With me today is award winning comic book writer James F. Wright. 393 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: He is also Mapal and he is joined today to 394 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: tell us all about Belagie Bidejo, the Man in the 395 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 3: Xenomorph Suit. James, could you just start by introducing yourself 396 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: to our listeners. 397 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 6: Hi, I'm James F. Wright. I am a writer. I 398 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 6: work in video games. I'm also I wrote comments on 399 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 6: a Swayna Rosie, and I'm a big Alien fan, predominantly 400 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 6: exclusively the first Alien movie. I will see every Alien movie, 401 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 6: but Alien is the one that, especially with my heart. Yeah. 402 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 6: I think about that movie at least once a week. 403 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 6: Something new I learned about Yes, thank you, I learned 404 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 6: something new about that movie seems like every week, and 405 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 6: so it comes up in in my thoughts a lot. 406 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 6: So happy to be here. 407 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 3: Thank you, amazing. I'm so happy to have you here. 408 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: As soon as we knew that we were going to 409 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: do an episode about the Man in the Suit, I 410 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: was like, James, I hit you up and I was like, 411 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: this is one of your favorite topics. Okay, So first 412 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: of all, what's your first memory of Alien? Like, how 413 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: did you get introduced to it? What was the first 414 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: time you saw it. 415 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 6: I was much older than my peers when I saw Alien. 416 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 6: I was in my twenty twenty one. I was steting 417 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 6: abroad in Japan and the local video store had a 418 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 6: bunch of movies, obviously, and I've never seen Alien. I 419 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 6: was like twenty one, which is old, and so I 420 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 6: watched it and I was like, this movie is incredible. 421 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 6: It just like like I knew about the chest burster 422 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 6: scene because of Spaceballs. 423 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 3: But I wait to find out. 424 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 6: So I knew it was gonna happen, but it just 425 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 6: like the atmosphere, the characters, the story, so much of 426 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 6: that that movie just feels like like a miracle that 427 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 6: it exists. And so I revisited later and just saw 428 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,239 Speaker 6: like the deeper themes emerging. It's not just a horror movie. 429 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 6: Is a lot more than that. And I live in 430 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 6: LA and so now anytime it's screening, I try to 431 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 6: let go. 432 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's a seven emilimeter alien screening, you will 433 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 3: be there. 434 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 6: I will be there. I'll be there, and it's it's again. 435 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 6: All the actors I sort of knew from other films, 436 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 6: other stories of other TV shows and so on, but 437 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 6: in that movie, you know, at the time, none of 438 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 6: them weren't your household names and kind of they almost 439 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 6: all of them went on to be you know, bigger stars, 440 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 6: which is incredible to Yeah, so like I just kind 441 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 6: of got it to sootz into me from that from 442 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 6: the first viewing. I mean, the again an atmosphere, the opening, 443 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 6: the title sequence even is like is unsettling, just the 444 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 6: way that the test fades in, and I was, you know, 445 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 6: you see got til and moves and so on, and 446 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 6: you you know, you know, there's like a man in 447 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 6: a suit, but you don't think about who that is, yeah, 448 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 6: or if you ever know who that is? And then 449 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 6: when I found out like that once again changed the 450 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 6: game room me. 451 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 3: So yeah, I was going to say, it's kind of 452 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 3: you talked about how the movie feels like a miracle. 453 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 3: It's a working class horror movie. It's a horror about 454 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 3: workers trying not to get exploited. It's a horror movie 455 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: that has Yaffet Koto and Sigourney Weaver and all these 456 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 3: incredible actors in it. And then you find out, well, 457 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 3: the guy in the suit was a Nigerian graphic artist 458 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 3: who was twenty five. He was he was a baby 459 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: and he was six feet ten inches tall. And they 460 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 3: discovered him in a pub, yes, because they saw his 461 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: very long legs and they were like, uh, we need 462 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: someone with long legs. So when did you find out 463 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 3: who Bilagie? 464 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 6: But Dejo was Oh boy, oh my gosh, it must 465 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 6: have been. It's like the twenty ten's. I think I 466 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 6: don't actually have a year because it's kind of passing 467 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 6: on in my head. The time is time is fake. 468 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 6: But yeah, I had seen a picture of him, and 469 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 6: then I think it was in court in conjunction with 470 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 6: with something from Alien. I saw a picture of him. 471 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 6: I was like, oh, is that the guy? And then 472 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 6: someone had posted a link to YouTube and there's the 473 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 6: screen test of him walking through the mock up of 474 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 6: the Nostromo set and he's he's got he's got the 475 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 6: head on, but he's like he doesn't have the full suit. 476 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 6: Don't think he met the full suit on. But he's 477 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 6: walking through like the halls, and it's like, oh my gosh, 478 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 6: this is like this is him, this is him, you know. 479 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 6: And then seeing like how tall he was, six foot ten, 480 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 6: you know he was I want to say he was 481 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 6: like playing with the wrong raptors. But that's the wrongs 482 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 6: me more friends. 483 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 3: He definitely has Like he definitely has the h he 484 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: was twenty five and six foot ten. Put a ball 485 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: in that. 486 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 6: Guy, I'm saying. 487 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 3: In a more mask, Like give that basketball. 488 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 6: He was playing with the wrong rockets. That's the But yeah, 489 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 6: I just I was so I wasn't surprised to you know, 490 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 6: see that. Like and again, like Alien is a film 491 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 6: that has you know, like Yafakoto has a named black actor, 492 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 6: you know whose character doesn't die first, doesn't die second, 493 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 6: that's a third he you know, he survives almost at 494 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 6: the end of the film, and then to learn that 495 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 6: like also the guy in the suit, you know, was 496 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 6: as a black performer, and I this may have been 497 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 6: his only role, which is incredible to think about. 498 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: That's his only role, which is mind blowing because if 499 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: you think about someone like Doug Jones, they play a 500 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 3: monster and they create a role for their whole life 501 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: as a creature actor. But Bilagi played one of the 502 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 3: most famous, if not the most famous on screen monster 503 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 3: of the last kind of few decades and this was 504 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: the only time he did it. 505 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, That's that's the thing I think about too, is 506 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 6: I'm glad you bring up Doug Jones because, like I 507 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 6: joked before that like Beliji Bidejo, you know, Walks or 508 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 6: Doug Jones could run not just the creature feature, but 509 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 6: like this tall, skinny actor who has this like physy 510 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 6: that allows them to sort of you know, portray different 511 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 6: kinds of creatures. And when I said before, like this 512 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 6: this film feels like a miracle knowing that they were 513 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 6: able to take okay, hr gigers, weird creepy like art 514 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 6: and then find a person who could fit into like 515 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 6: a costume, built a design around that a creature design 516 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 6: around is just like, again I don't know how you 517 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 6: do it. And again that's obviously like the work of casting, 518 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 6: directions and so on to find, you know, the people 519 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 6: who fit these these roles. But just the fact that again, 520 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 6: like you said, like they've made him in a pub 521 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 6: and he was just he was a student you know, 522 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 6: in the UK, and yeah, this is our guy, and 523 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 6: like that, Like if that was me, I'd go, oh 524 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 6: my god, like this is this is this is why. 525 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: Break I love so that on set he's filming in 526 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 3: the fifteen piece xenomorph suit and it's incredibly hot and 527 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: he's you know, wearing it for like fifteen to twenty 528 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 3: minutes before it's just soaked in sweat. And it was 529 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 3: a four month shoot, So this I think it was 530 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: pretty grueling, is my impression. Because he did actually get 531 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: offered the role of this animal for Aliens, but declined, 532 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: and that's why they created kind of the puppet. And 533 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 3: then you get Tom Woodriff Junr who ends up being 534 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: in it an Alien three and stuff. But he really 535 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: did originate it, and he did it on this unexpected 536 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 3: kind of low budget movie that would go on to 537 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: change all science fiction films. 538 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 6: Absolutely, I think too that like the idea that again 539 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 6: that this role that sort of like changed type of 540 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 6: films is important to note too, because this is a 541 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 6: film that's coming. It's in production or at least like 542 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 6: the script group of pre Star Wars, and in Star 543 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 6: Wars is a huge hit. And then you know, Fox 544 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 6: is like, Okay, what do we have any sci fi things? 545 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 6: And you know they sort of I think it was 546 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 6: starbast At one point they name the change a few 547 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 6: times with. 548 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: An alien catchy name. 549 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 6: Starby's Starby Sounds dope, though Starby Sounds is more heavy. 550 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 6: This is a B movie. An alien sort of like 551 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 6: pushes against the B movie tropes and stuff. But it 552 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 6: was impressive to see that, like because Star Wars is 553 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 6: there's no real dangerous alien. It's like they're all like 554 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 6: cute little guys or our friends. 555 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 3: Or whatever, cute little guys. 556 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 6: And then you know with alien it's like what if 557 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 6: space was scary again? 558 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like Jaws for space. 559 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 6: It very much is. And so like the nature of Asia, 560 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 6: like his his size, because he does have this like 561 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 6: angular quality to it that like feels not that he 562 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 6: feels alien, but you know what I mean that there's 563 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 6: just like, yeah. 564 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: There's something to him that well, the alien movies don't 565 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 3: exist without him. And I think that's why it was 566 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 3: so important for us to do an episode, because the 567 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: Xenomorph was a game changer, because, as you say, at 568 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: this point, everyone's used to cute little guys. If there 569 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: is a baddie, it's more of a kind of campy, 570 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 3: old school villain like Darth Vader, who's a human in 571 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 3: a suit, very obviously a human. And our vision of 572 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: what aliens were in you know, American culture, in Western 573 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 3: culture was like the little gray men with the little 574 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,239 Speaker 3: circular heads, and they look kind of like us. I mean, 575 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: the Xenomorph looks nothing like anything they've ever seen. It's 576 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 3: straight out of a nightmare. And Beilagi is a big 577 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 3: part of that because he took tai chi classes so 578 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: that he could learn how to move like a praying mantis. 579 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: And when he's not look I love all the alien movies, 580 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 3: but I am like you, I'm a die hard alien fan. 581 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: I feel like when it's not him, you can absolutely tell, 582 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: especially when you start getting to the later movies and 583 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: they're using like the glove hands that are coming down 584 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 3: that are always getting memed. He really brought it together 585 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 3: to life in a way that was so unique and 586 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 3: singular that it almost makes sense that he only did 587 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: it for one film. 588 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's it is that sort of I think 589 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 6: in a way about John Cazell Junior, who played Yeah 590 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 6: Fredo in The Godfather, was in five movies and they're 591 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 6: all nominated for Best Picture. That's sort of like, you know, 592 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 6: perfect record or Blodge Vodajos in one film. 593 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 7: And it seems like you knows, yeah, one hundred percent, 594 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 7: attack betting one thousand, and I think about like just 595 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 7: doing that and then but also I think I think 596 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 7: having to like understanding to like turn down aliens for 597 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 7: that role. 598 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 6: Like Okay, I did it and like it was grueling, 599 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 6: I don't do it again. 600 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 3: I think that is it's made something fantastic. It's done. 601 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's impressive. 602 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 3: I think that's really special. And also there's some great 603 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: stories from his family, like his brother Boyega said that 604 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: he never told them about being in the film, like 605 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 3: until it was getting released, and he was just this 606 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: really humble, sweet guy, and because they were all over 607 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: the world, they couldn't watch it together. But Boyeger did 608 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 3: get to go to the premiere with his brother with Bilagie, 609 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: and that was, like he said, it was very cool 610 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 3: times and I imagine that it was cool. 611 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 6: Oh hey, by the way, I'm in a movie. 612 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in a movie. Oh, by the way, it's 613 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: going to be like one of the most famous sci 614 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 3: fi fictions of all time. And uh yeah, I calm 615 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: and pulled a really cool piece of trivia that I 616 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 3: didn't know, which is that the Blagie Imperial cigarettes that 617 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 3: the crew of the Nostromo smoke. That was in reference 618 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 3: to Billagi little way of shouting at. 619 00:32:58,720 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: How good is that? 620 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 6: That's so good? That's so good. 621 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really interesting to just. 622 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, some years ago they had one of the auctions. Yeah, yeah, 623 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 6: they have the film Membor of real auctions. They had 624 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 6: Yafakoto's jacket. Wow, I wanted it. But if they were 625 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 6: someone who did, if they had the set production design 626 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 6: of the CETA cigarettes, I would absolutely. 627 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 3: We don't smoke, but those are the things that we 628 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 3: would tape. Yeah, And we kind of talked about how 629 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: this was, you know, this was his first movie. It 630 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 3: was kind of his only movie, and then nobody really 631 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 3: knew what happened to him for a long time, but 632 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: it was revealed kind of in a twenty fourteen article 633 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 3: which I think is really where we all started to 634 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 3: get to know about him, called the Life of Bilagi Pideo, 635 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 3: was that he had actually just moved back to Nigeria 636 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 3: and opened an art gallery, so he got to live 637 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 3: his you know, his graphics resign dream life. And sadly, 638 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 3: it was in this article that we discovered that he 639 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 3: passed away at thirty nine from complications related to sick 640 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: or salemnemia. So I mean, talk about a life that 641 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: was so impactful in such a short period of time. 642 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 6: And that that's like, you know, was just heartbreaking. Yeah, 643 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 6: you know, because he didn't again, like the impact that 644 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 6: he made was so huge and again like being able 645 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 6: to like leave Hollywood behind in a way, like you know, 646 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 6: he didn't go because like yeah, because he if you 647 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 6: think about like seventy nine, you know, when Alien comes out, 648 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 6: he turns down Aliens obviously, but like there are a 649 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 6: lot of films he could have been in, you know, 650 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 6: like Spielberg could have used him in something like there's 651 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 6: a lot of because again, like the way he's built 652 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 6: and he just sort of like took that role and 653 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 6: made it his own, a enomorphe. And so I think 654 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 6: that like like he could have kept doing you know, 655 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 6: he could have gone the dug up Doug Juons route, right, 656 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 6: but he chose to go back home and he got 657 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 6: to like you said, he got to live out that 658 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 6: dream of having art gallery. And I think that's really 659 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 6: incredible that like like to do the thing and then 660 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,320 Speaker 6: like you know what I'm going to I'm going to 661 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 6: walk away from it. I think that's you know, I mean, 662 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 6: like you don't like this isn't this isn't for me, 663 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 6: but like I have other dreams and like this was 664 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 6: a fun thing to do, but like you know, it's 665 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 6: not enough have to do it. 666 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 3: For that Yeah, you know they picked me out of 667 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: a pub and I just said, yeah, I'll take the money. 668 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 3: I'll wear this suit for four months. And now, actually no, 669 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a graphic artist, and I want to 670 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 3: make sure that I get to pursue that passion and 671 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 3: you know, go back to Nigeria because I was only 672 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 3: here studying and he studied in the US, studied in London, 673 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: and then he's like, pow, I'm going back to own 674 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 3: an art gallery. I think that is really powerful. And 675 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 3: also I think that it's something that we talk about 676 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 3: a lot in comics, someone like Mike mcnola, who years 677 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 3: ago said I'm finishing Hellboy the main series and I'm 678 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 3: just doing it and everyone was like, WHOA, you can 679 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 3: do that. 680 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: You can just you. 681 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: Can finish something on your own terms and say like 682 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 3: I'm done. 683 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 2: Like that. 684 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 3: That's really powerful because a lot of times, especially with Aliens, 685 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 3: which there was kind of a you know, change over 686 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 3: from Ridley Scott to James Cameron, and there were kind 687 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 3: of controversies about that with Geiger and stuff, It's really 688 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 3: interesting that he was actually recognized for what he did 689 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: and they offered it to him and he made that 690 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 3: choice to say no, yeah, I don't want to be 691 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 3: in that suit again, which honestly, yeah, before I let 692 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 3: you go, could you just kind of talk a little 693 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 3: bit about this is something that you has been like 694 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 3: a passion of yours, someone you've been impacted by. And 695 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: now thanks to the Internet and memes, I feel like 696 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 3: Blagie story is getting better known and we get see 697 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 3: photos of him. What's it been like to kind of 698 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 3: see that recognition finally getting there. 699 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 6: It's a joy and we're seeing, and I think we're 700 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 6: seeing more like people know who the men and the 701 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 6: Brezela suits were. There's a famous picture of like three 702 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 6: of them, like walking down the street in the post 703 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 6: and I think that like sort of you know, there's 704 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 6: a asking Blije, Butjejo allows us to see him, you know, 705 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 6: as he was not just in the suit, but as 706 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 6: a man, as a person, and it's important to me, 707 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 6: I think, because what's great about Alien is there's so 708 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 6: many set photos. There's so many set photos that like 709 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 6: they knew what they were going to they ruin making 710 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 6: some special away and so because again he was in 711 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 6: one film and then you know he sort of he 712 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 6: ended up going back home, there's not a lot of 713 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 6: images of him. And so seeing the ones we do 714 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 6: have where he's like with the crew or he's kind 715 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 6: of hanging out on set in this cool leather jacket 716 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,759 Speaker 6: or his cool shoes, like he's very stylish, and I 717 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 6: think that's like, again, he's an artist, so I can 718 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 6: get a sense of that. And so seeing like there's 719 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 6: one picture that doesn't exist where he was walking in 720 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,239 Speaker 6: the sound stage from the studio with one of the 721 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 6: other people from one of the other production crew members. 722 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 6: I can't remember who it was, but like, she is 723 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 6: like five foot one and he's six foot ten to 724 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 6: walking side by side, and he's wearing like a pair 725 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 6: of like Converse sneakers, and I want that picture. You know, 726 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 6: it doesn't exist, but I want, Yeah, I want to 727 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 6: see like the so like, yeah, I think, like you know, 728 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 6: the handful of images that we do have allows us 729 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 6: to kind of help better understand who he was. You know, 730 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 6: he's not just the guy in the suit. He sees 731 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 6: more than that. I think that's important. 732 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 3: So I totally agree. Well, James, thank you so much 733 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 3: for joining me on this special edition of Extra Vision. 734 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 3: Where can people find you? Where can they find your? 735 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 6: So? 736 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 3: What do you have to plug? 737 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 6: Yeah? I am on Instagram, Black Bull Speaks. I'm also 738 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 6: on a Blue sky as Chuck Spear. You search for me. 739 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 6: I use a bunch of different aliases, hilarious puns, I 740 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 6: write comments. I have an itch site. It's James F. 741 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 6: Wright's wri t S. I don't know what the urel is, 742 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 6: but it's for ch I you can find my work there, 743 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 6: comics and so on. So yeah, thank you, Rosie, thank 744 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 6: you everyone, of. 745 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 3: Course, thank you so much. 746 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 4: Tomorrow, we'll be wrapping up our Xenomorph week with a 747 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 4: special preview of the upcoming movie Alien Romulus Jason and Joel. 748 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 4: We'll be breaking down the trailers, the promotional material, and 749 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 4: what we can expect from director Fidi Alvarez's filmography and 750 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 4: Ridley Scott's legacy. And then Friday, super producer Joel is 751 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 4: back with Rosie as we sink our teeth into another 752 00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,320 Speaker 4: very fang forward franchise. That's the episode. Thanks for listening. 753 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 8: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kenseepsion and 754 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 8: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our 755 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 8: executive producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising 756 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 8: producer is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent 757 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 8: and Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez. 758 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman 759 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 3: and Heidi Our discord moderata